The SHOCKING story of the SCRAPPED SG❤️BUS 3 Door Concept Bus! (SG4002G)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มิ.ย. 2024
- Discover the the story of a Singapore bus that was scrapped after just 6 months of revenue service on the roads.. SG4002G, the original 3 Door rigid demonstrator bus. From SITCE 2016 all the way to that fateful day in 2023 when the bus was sent to the scrapyard, this is the full story of the journey of one of Singapore's most remembered demonstrator buses.
Special thanks to @TransportCinematic and @SGZStudios for providing the footage in the scrapyard for this video.
0:00 Intro
0:14 Chapter 1 - The Unveiling
0:42 Chapter 2 - Revenue Service
1:53 Chapter 3 - Static Display
2:56 Chapter 4 - The End of 4002
3:47 Disclaimer
The 12-metre long concept bus was built on a MAN NL323F chassis. Although configured as a low-floor chassis, SG4002G was built as a low-entry bus to allow for the relocation of powertrain components to accommodate the rear staircase. Fitted with a modified Lion’s City Hybrid bodywork (also referred to as a MAN Lion’s City SD 3Dr), it also features seats with headrests, USB charging ports, Passenger Information Display Systems, and low-height windows to give seating passengers a better view of the surroundings. More information can be found at @LandTransportGuru 's website: landtransportguru.net/man-lio...
But why was the bus scrapped? Due to there being no public information available from any agency regarding the decision or consultation to scrap the bus, there will understandably be no mention of that in the video.
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Do you agree with the decision to scrap the bus?
No, no way, never, unnaceptable
No, I absolutely do not agree with this bus being scrapped. I think this could've been used for revenue service and it would've been cool to have a bus like that.
it never used the whole life span of the 17 years.
It is ridiculous to scrap such an amazing futuristic bus and a waste of money to procure it and then scrap it like that. Might as well not even make it in the first place.
A demonstration must be made for the terrible management of LTA in this regard.
Not the first time we see a story like this in SG. Refurbished C651 had a similar fate with not even entering revenue service once. I’m glad 4002 still had the chance to run for about 6 months.
When you put it that way it does seem generous, especially since the cost of the c651 refurbishment probably outweighs the cost of 4002
LTA just wastes money at this point.
At this point I'm not surprised if LTA is just burning money at vanity projects and useless crap like this, and scrapping those too once they've served their 'useful purpose' like sweeping them under the rug and hoping no-one notices
Raise fares to cover their back for all these vanity projects. Including the useless tip-up seats on the C151Cs and T251s.
Even if people do notice, Singapore doesn't have an accountability culture so there's no point. The most I can do is make videos like this so the public rightfully knows where their tax monies are going
@@glitchFan2428Speaking about that, everything going C S that quick in SG is Capitalism working at full speed.
@@sgbuses that and buses generally aren't made to last as long now. It's not like the 90s anymore :(
@@glitchFan2428...and trains too.
Aiyo, at this point LTA is wasting their money and history. Like that bus looks so new yet decided to scrap it and lots of money down the drain. LTA should even preserve buses so they can save money and still can maintain the preserve buses instead of replacing them.
They usually cite lack of space as the reason
@@glitchFan2428excuses
Should have at least use it for short distance service or service to places that not many people board buses. Atleast they can benefit a little than to waste it like just like that. Am not a bus enthusiast but this just makes me feel sad seeing a futuristic bus to scrap.
HAIYA SO WASTED SO SAYANG
@@glitchFan2428while this maybe true, look at the discrimination we transport enthusiast face because of some. Anyway, they are clearly wasting money, look at the Scania K230UB premature retirement.
From a commuter point of view, I'm glad this bus didn't get introduced to more bus services - I don't think a third door would have had such a significant impact on boarding/alighting times that would justify the seats that it takes away.
fair enough, however I think LTA likes this idea of sacrificing seats for a third door, most of the new bus models being released now have 3 doors and reduced seating capacity as a result.
The only useful 3 door barse is brendy barse !!!!!
And yet the CDGE and Super Olympian can only carry 120+ passengers, equivalent to the capacity of a MAN A95 3 door.
@@glitchFan2428yup. It's as if every single bus stop has 80 people alighting and board the bus.
I think I see what you mean, as based on my experience, the 3 door setup does work for bendy buses and (when crowded) double decker buses, but not for single desk buses.
Lol back then when 4002 was on revenue service, me being a regular commuter of svc 901. I took it everyday to the point that it made me feel bored of it at one point. But now this bus is gone as a wasted project for future Singapore transport purposes. Thank you 4002, goodnight.
Glad that you had some nice memories on the bus!
LTA (Lousy Transport Authority) is literally wasting money rn. This bus only had 1 year of revenue passenger service before getting converted into the LTA smart bus. Now it’s reduced to scrap metal. Hiya… when is LTA gonna learn…
Not even 1 year. About half that
Lta be burning money@@glitchFan2428
*the word for 4002: despawned.*
Literally
Very nice
Thanks
SG💔BUS
Dark humors.
nice edit
Thanks!
I dont think it was mentioned in the video, but since 2017 it has already been deemed "wasted" when its engine was taken off the bus for conversion to the concept bus. Honestly 4002 might not be useful in the long run considering that it is merely a low-entry small capacity bus (unlike the electric low-floors of today), but i do feel it could be sold off for preservation, for the future to admire. Scrapping it might be worthwhile from an economic perspective but the heritage of SIngapore does too.
I heard about the engine removal thing but couldn't find any hard evidence to support the claim so I left it out of the video. Although at the end in the scrapyard it does really seem like the engine was removed and other things installed in its place. Funny because at the 2019 event I asked the person manning the exibit and was told that the engine was still in the bus and it's fully functional... Sus....
@@glitchFan2428sus indeed
First time seeing a man so futuristic getting scrapped
yeah, it feels weird eh
RIP SG4002G, you will be missed *sigh* (Hey! At Least SG5999Z is still in service! Just always deploying on service 7...)😭😭😭
The arrival sound sounds like the citaro
i love bus
Man i wish this bus is shipped to indonesia for transjakarta😔
that would be quite exciting!
Not surprised if being stupid is one of the qualities that LTA looks out for when hiring people.
They should sell this bus to Myanmar YBS. It was nice.
😭😭😭😭😭 I never ride this bus ☹︎☹︎☹︎
Should’ve Been Sent To London For Go Ahead London’s Orpington Garage
Unfortunately a demonstrator bus would be expelled from service if it failed its trial. Unlike SG5999Z, I don't think SG4002G passed its trial. Otherwise, we would have seen more A22 3 door buses on the roads like the A95 3 door buses
hmm true, however usually demo buses get returned to the dealer or sold to a private operator, rarely are they ever scrapped.
@@glitchFan2428 personally, i felt that SG5999Z passed was bcus the bus itself was built to be favoured by the public in 2016 as a cool concept, this is just my opinion 🤔
Sad that bus is scrapped as it still in good condition wish it still be in svc
Same, it would be nice to see it survive as a working bus
The Republic of Singapore just have too much money 😂
This is sad the man A22 E5 3 door concept is not even 7 yr old so sad to see it disappear its devasting to see this scrap rip .
Yeah not to mention just so weird
If it's for A&S Transit it could be troublesome because SG4002G engine was removed, but it would be good if SG4002G would be in A&S Transit
That would be something
@@glitchFan2428 I See
Thinking the same too but now its too late
@@MrColinTheBusDriver Yup it's too late.
I really find it ironic that this bus got scrapped even though it has 3 door which is what lta intended to move on isn't it? Like now there are some buses that also have 3 doors running also for SD.
yeah, most of the new buses are all 3 door now
This bus can shipped to Malaysia for Causeway Link, Rapid KL and Selangor Bus because it is too waste for scrapping, overall conditional is looks good and brand new
After reading technical specs, I just realized that single deck buses here in Singapore engine's capacity is quite large comparing to double deckers'...
The powerrrr! Double decker MANs use the same 320hp engine while bendies use a more powerful 360hp version
@glitchFan2428 Really..? I thought I read 12L somewhere before, slightly larger than the single deck... If its the same powerplant, wah, imagine how inefficient it'll be considering the higher loads it'll have to handle...
@@silcosilva both the SD A22 and DD A95 have the same MAN D2066 LUH-32 (Euro V) and
MAN D2066 LUH-51 (Euro VI) engines, so in theory the single decker should be a lot faster.
@@silcosilva Yes, same. Thank you influencers. And then they also managed to get in operators that run them at 20km/h because of EWT and OTA. Think Ferrari running on Paris streets. And then they wonder why they are filling in such a huge deficit...
Wow LTA is making concept buses then after scrapping them
Yeah, it apparently outlived it's usefulness
Oh MAN
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1:40 sounds like Mercedes-Benz Citaro when it always brakes.
Same Voith gearbox
Why is it scrap as in accident?
People will be appalled if the reason for scrapping is not known. Brand new and discarded.
The lasting legacy of the SG4002G is the 3-door MAN DDs, which is really bad legacy looking at its overall utility (or lack thereof). If we looked at this bus in this perspective then it does deserve its fate because this third-door proposal is just very poor thought out. Unfortunately Citaro Hybrid won't be far away from the same fate, if no willing buyer.
Hmmm so it's like the "root of the problem" for the 3 door craze eh... I don't even know if citaro hybrid can ever be re registered since it's now in the brown plate deregistered vehicle scheme
@@glitchFan2428 I am still amazed how LTA accepted MAN's 3 door DDs. One of the basics for three doors to work in Singapore is step free access, and even that didn't work in modern London. Perhaps the new electric SD proposals would get the third door right.
@@glitchFan2428 from what Ive heard the problem with SG4004B is that extra 0.1m which, while seemingly insignificant, poses a significant challenge in reregistering the bus due to that extra length becoming a technical and legal liability for the bus and there is no way to chop it off so....unfortunately it fell into an unfortunate loophole which wasnt encountered by other buses (A22 COMETs, SG4003D)
@@SGZStudios yeah I think I mentioned about the bus being too long in another comment somewhere, it's all hearsay and I haven't been able to find a reliable source to quote so I won't be putting that in a video anytime soon 😅
A95: yay i pass how about you
A22:scrap
Hopefully SG4004B will be transferred to A&S Transit one day let's hope SG4004B won't get scrap so fast
I believe 4004 has been deregistered, not sure if it's possible to re register. Singapore has very strict laws on this
@@glitchFan2428 That must be the reason why you like UK so much compared to SG
@@glitchFan2428 LTA sometimes idiot lah
@@glitchFan2428 they did de-register it, but Mercedes changed the rego of the bus to the word 'DISPLAY', possibly gonna keep it there or use it for smth else......
One thing i've saw in Singapore 🇸🇬 most Construction workers are transport in back of a truck 🚚 like in any 3a world country.
Why Not used these bus to transport the Construction workers
This bus deserved better life. At least transfer it to an other country like Cyprus, Japan, Australia
STUPID LTA STUPID LACK OF SPACE STUPID STUPID STUPID
Man this is so sad, could've been sold to my country haha
Indeed, although being a prototype bus I'm not sure about part availability
my country has a lot of crazy coach builders maybe they're up for the challenge haha@@glitchFan2428
They really should sell it to a overseas Bus Enthusiasts, because they could registered and use it on the road overseas.
That would be funny tbh, imagine seeing it here in England
Will this bus come back in the future 😢
I highly doubt so...
I hope so
I'm not gonna be surprised if they scrap the MAN A95 concept double decker with 2 staircases (also with headrests)
I hope not
If it was the only one of its kind, then I guess it didn't make much sense to keep it around. Seems very wasteful, but hopefully any reusable components were saved first.
I believe the engine and transmission were standardised with other MAN A22s in the fleet. I'm not very sure though
They could have scrapped any type of bus line Citaro , scanias or Some other bus . But why must it be the futuristic bus . WHY OH WHY
Well Scanias and citaros (that have been involved in accidents) are getting scrapped gradually
@@glitchFan2428 I mean normal ones
Now man a69 and driverless Volvo 7900 rotten
Don't know what happened to that
Anyone tried emailing LTA?
no, but from past experience u won't get much out of doing that
A proof of concept now becomes scrap metal.
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Yes really why I think why is the third door needed just for show nobody got out that's the reason why
hmm, but they are ordering lots of new 3 door single deckers now apparently
actual representation of lta having no ideas:
ohnooo
I swear this company literally scraps buses after being in service for about a year, our Australian companies just transfers our old b10ma’s to charter companies so we can still ride them for special services
Supposedly it would go back to its dealer but seeing how most buses from sg gets destroyed, probably not
Some Singapore buses scrapped due to ageing
Not this one though. The reason is unknown
This bus barely aged at all as it was under revenue service for under a year as opposed to buses that have served *38 times more* than this
Its the bus of the future...the future is not here yet, so it ahs to be scrapped
F in the chat.. but the newer buses now all follow this kind of design of 3 door and reduced seating
Really wasted, this was a bus which had such a promising future (and a design that has never been replicated nor will it ever be). Sad that the only remains of it are the parts of it owned by various bus enthusiasts as well as in the form of a model
ahah don't forget the model! Thanks for capturing some of the footage in the video!
i want the steering wheel ahahahahhahah
I think someone managed to save it, not sure..
Pap gov is all about spending spending; especially taxpayers’ money.
The pap run town council in grinded away multi story carpark lots markings just to repaint, wasting residents’s maintenance fees, perfectly fine slated roof tiles of multi purpose hall replaced by plastic sheetings, spending money necessarily
It our money
LTA then proceeds to increase the public transport fares to recover the lost from us commuters. Really L move by LTA smh
Why wanna scrap the bus so early?
You mean 6 years?
Legit 6 MONTHS.
6 months from June to December 2017
in terms of revenue service, it's 6 months
ayoo not 4002 🥺🥺
F
It’s gone you know
I know
@@glitchFan2428 ok kk k
Bloody hell.! Increase bus & train fare and road tax, coe, erp too much spare cash throw on a new concept bus than scrap it.? Brainless.!
it is unfortunate
It's an awful waste of taxpayer money. It could be argued that it's impractical to keep a one-of-a-kind bus, but at the same time, it could still be converted to a training bus or like in the case of SG4003D, sold to a private bus company. Heck, even keep the bus as a testbed for new technology.
good point, although it's not completely a one off, the engine and transmission and even the general bodywork can be found on other buses in Singapore.
Aiya shouldn’t have scrapped it big Rips to the bus
F in the chat
The government is really wasting time money and effort. Workers spent hours building it and all the effort gone to waste
F to all the hours
LTA these days, idk what’s up with their budget
No statement released telling us why the bus bought with our tax money was scrapped at such a young age
@@glitchFan2428 yep, I pray hoping 4004B is not next, I’ve never boarded that bus cause I was out of town.
I'm an outsider but just convert it back to non-demo; don't know why they need to scrap it. Not environmentally friendly with the waste of perfectly good bus.
That's what I was thinking also
Oh my god!!! Not a single year?!! bruhhhh...probably the first ever 3 doors got scrapped😢😢
Why does LTA have to do this?!?!
They don't reveal the reason
@@glitchFan2428 k
WTF
What wasted of money 💰
Scrap a Newly Bus with 6 months of service..
Craziness
Blind decision tbh, it was only 6 years old at the time. Demonstrators should be given a new lease of life after their trials have ended.
No, I absolutely do not agree with this bus being scrapped. I think this could've been used for revenue service and it would've been cool to have a bus like that.
yeah would be nice to see it being used for longer than 6 months in service..
The problem is that they have that much bloody money and they don't know what to spend it on and that's why they can discard good buses and roll out newer ones. What a waste.
It's unfortunate really what happened to this bus
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LTA scrapped this bus too wasted, all the other trial buses also, not put to use even in good condition like SG4004B still residing at C&C.
At least 4003 is in good hands though :)
@@glitchFan2428 true, but it is highly unlikely that most trial buses passes their trial. however, we now see a pattern where a trial bus operates 2 services. SG4005Z went from 851 to 800, SG4007T went from 990 to 282 and occasionally 96, SG4010H was rumoured to have been spotted under training on another route apart from 3. this is recent information at the time of the comment btw
A big waste of money honestly. It could have been sold to private coach companies like A&S, at least, the vehicle itself still has many years of useful lifespan ahead and can even be used as a safer mode of transport for foreign workers.
What a shame this bus only ran in service for 6 MONTHS in 2017 and then just scrapped like that.
That's the thing. We don't know the reason why it was ultimately condemned to scrap. Maybe there was a reason why the bus could not be repurposed.. but I guess we'll never know now
It's just my opinion however SG4002G's only language is failure literally
I quite liked it though
Just my opinion ok.
Yes, that's fine 👍🏻
3 door DD even bigger F 😂
They could sell the bus to a private operator
in theory that would have been a good idea, reality we don't know
Probably not legal, would need to seek exemption for the third door. Way too much paperwork to be worth the trouble.
@@sgbuses that's what I was thinking as well, because there's endless regulations surrounding private buses, which is one of the reasons why 4004 became a display piece inside C&C.. too many laws in place imo
@@glitchFan2428 Australia has the same problem with their Citaro, 0.05m too wide, a world of difference that prevented them from entering the market successfully.
@@sgbuses it's a shame really, it's not as if they are on rails and the extra width would make them not fit on a platform.. over here in England our roads are so narrow but we have Tri axle buses 🤔
such a waste, why do they need to scrap it... The bus is still functional.... Even if sg dont want them, surely it can be sold Malay, better than wasted a mechanically well bus.
What the heck?LTA scrapped the bus?Nothing happened to it or not full lifespan?LTA stop wasting money and just preserve it and do not put buses into junk.
Singapore doesn't allow proper bus preservation
What a waste, even if Singapor3 didnt want it it has resale value in other countries, or else it could of been converted to 2 door
not sure how feasible is it to convert tbh
Lta ar lta hmmmmnmm
Sell it to A&S 😂
Idk if it'll be of any use to them but it's definitely cool to imagine
LTA wasting so much money these years
we don't know why they scrapped the bus so..
Why not sell it to another country? Wasted
Such a waste of money to buy a bus and scrap it after 6 months in revenue service. LTA could've used the bus for an event etc
Well they did use it for a couple for events before scrapping it
so why he withdraws from service? because its minority?
I think it would rather shipping to other countries or what than scrapping.😮
they did not tell us the reason why it was withdrawn sadly
Sell to Third World Country????
Not sure if there's any demand for that
what a waste, can be sold to private operators/rebodied but scrapped...
perhaps there's a reason behind it, we don't know since LTA did not say anything
What a waste of taxpayers money 😡
Let's see if anyone will justify
What a waste of tax payers money. Is this one of the reasons why the increase of fare? 😢
we don't know for sure
Only six months wasting of tax payers money.