good points on the 3 phase and VFD. Most people don't understand the benefits of a 3 phase motor and VFD. besides being a longer lasting motor, the ability to "soft start" the motor, (the VFD is programed invariably to start the motor a bit softer and can usually be adjusted to be more or less delay) is very important for small shops that are close to their limit in power. The soft start makes the surge (inrush) power MUCH smaller and much less likely to trip breakers.
I'm not sure I have the floor space for this versus the Oneida mini gorilla, but I am curious about the filter ratings. If HEPA requires removing "from the air that passes through-at least 99.97% of particles whose diameter is equal to 0.3 μm, with the filtration efficiency increasing for particle diameters both less than and greater than 0.3 μm." wouldn't that mean the Harvey meets HEPA? Or is it possible that it has lower filtration smaller and larger than 0.3 μm. Then again Oneida specs "HEPA-Grade Filter Media with an E12 minimum efficiency rating" and per Wikipedia E12 is not quite HEPA. This is confusing. Having said all that, I'm not sure how much that small difference, if any, in filtration would matter. Especially if you are running a separate air cleaner in a small shop. Anyway I may not have a choice based upon floor space. Thanks for the great video!
Super helpful! Thank you. I think this is the best video I've found comparing the G800 with relevant Oneida options. For some reason, there's almost nothing on YT about the G800. Yeah, the Harvey marketing scheme is pretty annoying.
@@pixelwoodworks Yes! I have been stuck b/w Harvey's Gyro Options (G700 & G800) vs Oneida's Supercell Turbo or Dust Gorilla Pro. I've been finishing up my building, so I'll have to decide this summer. The issues that have prevented me from pulling the trigger on the Supercell Turbo so far are the noise and the limitations on future expansion.
Hi, thanks for the feedback. There are a lot of options out there, I thought most people would be looking at the short and long cone cyclones. Before I purchased the G800 and when I had a 3HP short cone, I looked wide and deep, including the RL160. Its been two years now so I can't remember exactly the issues, but it probably had something to do with size, pressure, and cleaning (or what I read people saying about filters clogging since its a manual bag system). So I had narrowed it down to a Cyclone of some sort because filter cleaning is no bueno. I was also enamored at the time with the AL-KO. I saw them at IWF as well, gorgeous units, but at the time I couldn't even get someone to respond. They are repped by Martin USA who has since gotten a new sales manager.
Cleaning the filter stack on the Felder is definitely a pain. If you fill up the catchment bin more than 80% you're basically guaranteed a filter clog.
Solid review. How did you get the ivac to work with the Harvey? When I turn off the ivac it shuts the power to the Harvey and then when it comes back on it doesn’t turn on the motor just the control panel. Is there some way to work around the power/control panel issue?
Your finding bias where there is none.. American made woodworking equipment has historically been of the highest quality and as American manufacturers have moved oversees, the quality has gone downhill. I'm sure this has nothing to do with ability but competing on cost. This is the reality of todays environment, and, my point is, Harvey is a Chinese company making woodworking equipment that is of the highest quality.
@@pixelwoodworks I have a shop full of old American made and some newer European made machinery, there is a huge difference, people think the stuff made in asia these days is good, its not, it's lightweight and the castings are not the same they don't season them anymore over there
@@pixelwoodworks Perhaps that is what you do feel, and good for you, but you do say that "it is not what you'd expect from a Chinese company". I understand that you don't feel biased, but, just trying to convince others that their bias should be changed... but you see the point. Words matter. I've worked for 30 years, (retired now) in Chinese companies. Started in 1980. They were used to making very poor quality. But the market DEMANDED that they make poor quality! Why? because most American (and other) companies went to them and asked for "CHEAPER". I wanted quality from them, and after a couple of years of work, got it. They certainly CAN produce high quality products. (your IPhones are likely built there, as well as many other tech components. The best battery makers, PV panels, etc are made there.) I remember when "made in Japan" was an indication of "cheap junk". Just saying that it is NOT the Chinese that are the reason that products from China are poor quality. It is Consumers and customers, (companies) in the rest of the world that are demanding it be cheap!
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good points on the 3 phase and VFD. Most people don't understand the benefits of a 3 phase motor and VFD. besides being a longer lasting motor, the ability to "soft start" the motor, (the VFD is programed invariably to start the motor a bit softer and can usually be adjusted to be more or less delay) is very important for small shops that are close to their limit in power. The soft start makes the surge (inrush) power MUCH smaller and much less likely to trip breakers.
Very informative video ... Thank you
I'm not sure I have the floor space for this versus the Oneida mini gorilla, but I am curious about the filter ratings. If HEPA requires removing "from the air that passes through-at least 99.97% of particles whose diameter is equal to 0.3 μm, with the filtration efficiency increasing for particle diameters both less than and greater than 0.3 μm." wouldn't that mean the Harvey meets HEPA? Or is it possible that it has lower filtration smaller and larger than 0.3 μm. Then again Oneida specs "HEPA-Grade Filter Media with an E12 minimum efficiency rating" and per Wikipedia E12 is not quite HEPA. This is confusing.
Having said all that, I'm not sure how much that small difference, if any, in filtration would matter. Especially if you are running a separate air cleaner in a small shop. Anyway I may not have a choice based upon floor space.
Thanks for the great video!
Super helpful! Thank you. I think this is the best video I've found comparing the G800 with relevant Oneida options. For some reason, there's almost nothing on YT about the G800. Yeah, the Harvey marketing scheme is pretty annoying.
So glad someone found it helpful! Are you in the market for a new dust collector? Curious to know what you end up buying and why.
@@pixelwoodworks Yes! I have been stuck b/w Harvey's Gyro Options (G700 & G800) vs Oneida's Supercell Turbo or Dust Gorilla Pro. I've been finishing up my building, so I'll have to decide this summer. The issues that have prevented me from pulling the trigger on the Supercell Turbo so far are the noise and the limitations on future expansion.
@@leevee85 Sounds like you have all the information. I'd be curious what you end up doing in the end and how it works out.
Great video with some real information. I would like to see how the Felder RL160 would stack up. Pricing is similar and the specs are close.
Hi, thanks for the feedback. There are a lot of options out there, I thought most people would be looking at the short and long cone cyclones. Before I purchased the G800 and when I had a 3HP short cone, I looked wide and deep, including the RL160. Its been two years now so I can't remember exactly the issues, but it probably had something to do with size, pressure, and cleaning (or what I read people saying about filters clogging since its a manual bag system). So I had narrowed it down to a Cyclone of some sort because filter cleaning is no bueno. I was also enamored at the time with the AL-KO. I saw them at IWF as well, gorgeous units, but at the time I couldn't even get someone to respond. They are repped by Martin USA who has since gotten a new sales manager.
Cleaning the filter stack on the Felder is definitely a pain. If you fill up the catchment bin more than 80% you're basically guaranteed a filter clog.
@@SteveKuznetsovi can only imagine the pain.
Very thankful for this information “
Great to hear some feedback on this. Were you/are you/did you consider one?
@@pixelwoodworks for sure in the future
I will be looking up,
Thanks again “
Solid review. How did you get the ivac to work with the Harvey? When I turn off the ivac it shuts the power to the Harvey and then when it comes back on it doesn’t turn on the motor just the control panel. Is there some way to work around the power/control panel issue?
Do you have any thoughts on the ramp-up time for the Harveys? I've heard that it can be irritating
Im getting Napoleon Dynamite flashbacks
@4:16 like this comment if you have high static pressure
The only thing that's high is my blood pressure :o
Feels so discriminating how he talks about stuff being chinese. Shame on you
Your finding bias where there is none.. American made woodworking equipment has historically been of the highest quality and as American manufacturers have moved oversees, the quality has gone downhill. I'm sure this has nothing to do with ability but competing on cost. This is the reality of todays environment, and, my point is, Harvey is a Chinese company making woodworking equipment that is of the highest quality.
@@pixelwoodworks I have a shop full of old American made and some newer European made machinery, there is a huge difference, people think the stuff made in asia these days is good, its not, it's lightweight and the castings are not the same they don't season them anymore over there
@@pixelwoodworks Perhaps that is what you do feel, and good for you, but you do say that "it is not what you'd expect from a Chinese company". I understand that you don't feel biased, but, just trying to convince others that their bias should be changed... but you see the point. Words matter.
I've worked for 30 years, (retired now) in Chinese companies. Started in 1980. They were used to making very poor quality. But the market DEMANDED that they make poor quality! Why? because most American (and other) companies went to them and asked for "CHEAPER". I wanted quality from them, and after a couple of years of work, got it. They certainly CAN produce high quality products. (your IPhones are likely built there, as well as many other tech components. The best battery makers, PV panels, etc are made there.) I remember when "made in Japan" was an indication of "cheap junk". Just saying that it is NOT the Chinese that are the reason that products from China are poor quality. It is Consumers and customers, (companies) in the rest of the world that are demanding it be cheap!