I didn't get to the show this year, however I've seen this guy there previously. He always seems to have something interesting.. I guess I better Google him.
For anyone interested in the authenticity of Mr Glickenhaus's car that he claims is Ferrari 330 P3/P4 #0846, the winner of the 1967 Daytona 24 Hours race, there is a 15 year debate about the car on the web site FerrariChat. Photographic proof that it's not the real #0846 has been posted just over the last year or so. You will have to register and log in on the site, which is very easy, to see the pictures. See here: www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4/423520-one-only-0846-debate-thread.html
Listen to the description in the video he states that he thought he was buying a replica but when he did his homework the car turned out to be real and even had Ferrari help him out with remaking parts to reatore the car
It's a replica as was described to him, as he agreed to buy and bought. You'll have to read the FerrariChat thread in the last year to see the evidence that proves it's not 0846 if you want to know the truth.
Hey look the car is real the type of concourse events he enters with the car specifically Amelia island would not allow him to enter if the car was a replica and the judges of these type of events know more about these types of cars than almost anyone
Read what the person who designed and built the real 0846 has to say about this car, Ing. Mauro Forghieri, in an email dated 10th May, 2016 after looking over pictures of the chassis and engine. His email is posted by xenophon leonidas in the comments below. Oh, Ferrari did NOT change the wheelbase on the P3 to P4 as Glickenhaus says. It remained the same at 2400mm. The car is a fake.
@Michael Artsis: This car owned by Mr Glickenhaus is NOT a real Ferrari but a replica that was built, owned and described by David Piper as such, and that is what Mr Glickenhaus agreed to buy and actually bought from him in the year 2000. It has a Ferrari 3 litre 312 F1 36 Valve engine, NOT a 4 litre P4 engine as claimed by Mr Glickenhaus. Chassis was built by a competent replica chassis maker in Modena, Italy using P4, not P3 drawings. There are many differences between the real Ferrari 330 P3/P4 0846 chassis and the chassis that Mr Glickenhaus owns. The real P3 0846, and when updated by Ferrari to a P3/P4, had the same wheelbase of 2400mm. P3s had a wheelbase of 2400mm and not 2412mm as Mr Glickenhaus claims. It really is NOT the 1967 Daytona 24 Hours winner at all.
After considering information and pictures sent to him of the DP0003 Glickenhaus chassis and cylinder block stampings, Ing. Mauro Forghieri, designer/creator at Ferrari of the real 330 P3/P4 #0846, sent me an email on 10th May, 2016, the content of which, in his words in Italian, is as follows below. Scroll down for English translation: "Gent.mo Sig. Robertson Io penso che lei sia il maggiore esperto di P4 esistente.La serie di foto che mi ha inviato mi hanno fatto enorme piacere, in particolare quella della 412 s/n854 prima nuda e poi in restauro.Le devo comunque fare osservare che sia la vettura di Glinkenhaus che la vera P4 s/n 0858 non hanno il tubo da lei indicato con le frecce rosse nella foto n 4(412 P s/n0854 ) mentre hanno il tubo che lei indica sempre con le frecce nella foto n 3(dp3 arrows).Questo diversa soluzione è dovuta alle differenze tra motore 412 e 330.La parte posteriore del telaio della falsa P4 di Glinkenhaus è stata fatta nuova e questi particolari non potevano sfuggire ai carrozzieri, che avevano già costruito vere P4.E' nella parte anteriore che non è stata rifatta, che mi sembra sia la maggiore distanza dal vero.Lei dimostra comunque che la vettura di Glinkenhaus non è una P4 originale con le sue foto relative al motore,ed inoltre la posizione della stessa Ferrari, che ha negato il numero a cui è molto affezzionato Glinkenhaus,e la mia stessa convinzione negativa e quanto asserito da altri non dovrebbe fare credere che questa vettura possa essere considerata originale.Io non sono potuto andare in Sicilia per motivi di salute e di lavoro, ma sarò a Montecarlo.Ho cercato di fare chiarezza sui due tipi di telaio per evitarle commenti e problematiche. Grazie per tutto con infinite cordialità e rispetto Mauro Forghieri" Gabriele Longoni very kindly translated Ing. Forghieri's above email which is as below: "Dearest Mr.Robertson I believe you are the biggest P4 expert living nowadays. I really liked the set of pictures you sent, especially the one about 412 s/n0854 bare chassis and during restoration. Please note, however, that both Glickenhaus’ car and the real P4 #0858 don’t have the tube you pointed with red arrows on picture n°4 (412P s/n0854) while they have the tube you point with arrows on picture n°3 (dp3 arrows). This different configuration is because of the differences between a 412 and a 330 engine. The rear portion of Glickenhaus’ fake P4 is completely new and these details couldn’t have been missed by coachbuilders that built real P4s. I believe that the biggest differences from a real one are in the front section. You, with those engine pictures, are proving that Glickenhaus’ car is not a real P4; and Ferrari’s belief too is proving it, because they refuse the number that Glickenhaus loves most; my personal negative belief then and what others said should make anyone believe that this car is original. I could not travel to Sicily due to health and work issues, but I will go to Montecarlo. I tried to make things more clear to avoid further problems to you. Thanks for everything, respectfully and with the best regards. Mauro Forghieri"
. According to Mauro Forghieri, chassis 0846 was discarded to the Ferrari scrap yard after Le Mans '67. 2. Mauro Forghieri did not engineer the engine mount modifications seen on the Glickenhaus chassis. 3. According to Mauro Forghieri, Ferrari never would have accepted such modifications. 4. According to Mauro Forghieri, the Glickenhaus chassis is not the original 0846. 5. According to Mauro Forghieri, the Glickenhaus chassis is probably another P3 chassis, modified to accept a P4 engine.
@DL. Ing. Forghieri has since determined that the chassis is not P3, but a fake. The truth of the chassis is that it was a P4 (not P3 as Mr Glickenhaus states) replica chassis initially built to accept a projecting lug 4 litre engine which then used bolt on adaptors, a weld added to realign bolt holes and a bulkhead tube manipulated to clear a pump in order that the 3 litre 312 F1 engine in the car now could be mounted. The way this engine is mounted is structurally unsound, and, as Ing. Forghieri said, Ferrari would never have accepted such modifications.
Just only watch today in 2021, thanks for posting!
I didn't get to the show this year, however I've seen this guy there previously. He always seems to have something interesting.. I guess I better Google him.
ShlomoMyerblum
p45c.com/the-garage/ferrari-p34-0846/
For anyone interested in the authenticity of Mr Glickenhaus's car that he claims is Ferrari 330 P3/P4 #0846, the winner of the 1967 Daytona 24 Hours race, there is a 15 year debate about the car on the web site FerrariChat. Photographic proof that it's not the real #0846 has been posted just over the last year or so. You will have to register and log in on the site, which is very easy, to see the pictures. See here: www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vintage-thru-365-gtc4/423520-one-only-0846-debate-thread.html
Listen to the description in the video he states that he thought he was buying a replica but when he did his homework the car turned out to be real and even had Ferrari help him out with remaking parts to reatore the car
It's a replica as was described to him, as he agreed to buy and bought. You'll have to read the FerrariChat thread in the last year to see the evidence that proves it's not 0846 if you want to know the truth.
Hey look the car is real the type of concourse events he enters with the car specifically Amelia island would not allow him to enter if the car was a replica and the judges of these type of events know more about these types of cars than almost anyone
Read what the person who designed and built the real 0846 has to say about this car, Ing. Mauro Forghieri, in an email dated 10th May, 2016 after looking over pictures of the chassis and engine. His email is posted by xenophon leonidas in the comments below. Oh, Ferrari did NOT change the wheelbase on the P3 to P4 as Glickenhaus says. It remained the same at 2400mm. The car is a fake.
@Michael Artsis: This car owned by Mr Glickenhaus is NOT a real Ferrari but a replica that was built, owned and described by David Piper as such, and that is what Mr Glickenhaus agreed to buy and actually bought from him in the year 2000. It has a Ferrari 3 litre 312 F1 36 Valve engine, NOT a 4 litre P4 engine as claimed by Mr Glickenhaus. Chassis was built by a competent replica chassis maker in Modena, Italy using P4, not P3 drawings. There are many differences between the real Ferrari 330 P3/P4 0846 chassis and the chassis that Mr Glickenhaus owns. The real P3 0846, and when updated by Ferrari to a P3/P4, had the same wheelbase of 2400mm. P3s had a wheelbase of 2400mm and not 2412mm as Mr Glickenhaus claims. It really is NOT the 1967 Daytona 24 Hours winner at all.
After considering information and pictures sent to him of the DP0003 Glickenhaus chassis and cylinder block stampings, Ing. Mauro Forghieri, designer/creator at Ferrari of the real 330 P3/P4 #0846, sent me an email on 10th May, 2016, the content of which, in his words in Italian, is as follows below. Scroll down for English translation:
"Gent.mo Sig. Robertson
Io penso che lei sia il maggiore esperto di P4 esistente.La serie di foto
che mi ha inviato mi hanno fatto enorme piacere, in particolare quella
della 412 s/n854
prima nuda e poi in restauro.Le devo comunque fare osservare che sia la
vettura
di Glinkenhaus che la vera P4 s/n 0858 non hanno il tubo da lei indicato
con le frecce rosse nella foto n 4(412 P s/n0854 ) mentre hanno il tubo
che lei indica
sempre con le frecce nella foto n 3(dp3 arrows).Questo diversa soluzione è
dovuta alle differenze tra motore 412 e 330.La parte posteriore del telaio
della falsa P4 di Glinkenhaus è stata fatta nuova e questi particolari non
potevano sfuggire ai carrozzieri, che avevano già costruito vere P4.E'
nella parte anteriore che non è stata rifatta, che mi sembra sia la
maggiore distanza dal vero.Lei dimostra comunque che la vettura di
Glinkenhaus non è una P4 originale con le sue foto relative al motore,ed
inoltre la posizione della stessa Ferrari, che ha negato il numero a cui è
molto affezzionato Glinkenhaus,e la mia stessa convinzione negativa e
quanto asserito da altri non dovrebbe fare credere che questa vettura
possa essere considerata originale.Io non sono potuto andare in Sicilia
per motivi di salute e di lavoro, ma sarò a Montecarlo.Ho cercato di fare
chiarezza sui due tipi di telaio per evitarle commenti e problematiche.
Grazie per
tutto con infinite cordialità e rispetto
Mauro Forghieri"
Gabriele Longoni very kindly translated Ing. Forghieri's above email which is as below:
"Dearest Mr.Robertson
I believe you are the biggest P4 expert living nowadays.
I really liked the set of pictures you sent, especially the one about 412 s/n0854 bare chassis and during restoration.
Please note, however, that both Glickenhaus’ car and the real P4 #0858 don’t have the tube you pointed with red arrows on picture n°4 (412P s/n0854) while they have the tube you point with arrows on picture n°3 (dp3 arrows).
This different configuration is because of the differences between a 412 and a 330 engine.
The rear portion of Glickenhaus’ fake P4 is completely new and these details couldn’t have been missed by coachbuilders that built real P4s.
I believe that the biggest differences from a real one are in the front section.
You, with those engine pictures, are proving that Glickenhaus’ car is not a real P4; and Ferrari’s belief too is proving it, because they refuse the number that Glickenhaus loves most; my personal negative belief then and what others said should make anyone believe that this car is original.
I could not travel to Sicily due to health and work issues, but I will go to Montecarlo.
I tried to make things more clear to avoid further problems to you.
Thanks for everything, respectfully and with the best regards.
Mauro Forghieri"
James, you don't say the truth ! and you know it very well...
. According to Mauro Forghieri, chassis 0846 was discarded to the Ferrari scrap yard after Le Mans '67.
2. Mauro Forghieri did not engineer the engine mount modifications seen on the Glickenhaus chassis.
3. According to Mauro Forghieri, Ferrari never would have accepted such modifications.
4. According to Mauro Forghieri, the Glickenhaus chassis is not the original 0846.
5. According to Mauro Forghieri, the Glickenhaus chassis is probably another P3 chassis, modified to accept a P4 engine.
@DL. Ing. Forghieri has since determined that the chassis is not P3, but a fake. The truth of the chassis is that it was a P4 (not P3 as Mr Glickenhaus states) replica chassis initially built to accept a projecting lug 4 litre engine which then used bolt on adaptors, a weld added to realign bolt holes and a bulkhead tube manipulated to clear a pump in order that the 3 litre 312 F1 engine in the car now could be mounted. The way this engine is mounted is structurally unsound, and, as Ing. Forghieri said, Ferrari would never have accepted such modifications.
Say, isn't this Glickenhaus' fake P4 again?