How to do a closed valley!!!
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Gotta love the haters on here 😂 Been doing valleys like this for 10 years and have never had an issue. Looks good. Keep it up 👍
hahaha its expected. most members of the hater herd either learn their lesson or become fans. its all part of the process. the channel is growing really quick idc about haters its all about the fans now. I might still straighten out a dumbass or 2 for fun though who knows
@@NWIVeteranConstruction Fall protection is the law, and if you want set the example you should do it right. Oh and California valleys leak.
@@NWIVeteranConstruction just curious what area your from? Im not being a troll. Im up north where Ice gathers in valleys in winter and expands.
@@mightyd9508 north west Indiana. Chicago basically
they leak. especially the way you do it not a hater, I'm a fan and I approve of absolutely everything else I have seen yo do this far. I say take a course and get certified. your a great installer.
I'm stunned, theirs actually a video that shows you how to actually start the valley and why the valley is started that way. Nice.
Excellent video, Veteran. Thank you for thoroughly explaining the process. It is amazing how precise you are while on the roof...not to mention dealing with the sun. Be safe and thanks bro.
Very nice work. I was skeptical at first that this wouldn't be very good but was very surprised at the expertise and attention to detail. A true pro at work.
Thanks for the video it is the last piece of the puzzle that I needed. We vets need to stick together.. thanks for your service!!
Great job. A valley is quite complicated. I just put on a ridgemaster vent on my 34' shed. I think it took me 20 hours. It was 12/12 or something steep close to 45. I had to RIP off architectural caps and a row on each side then add a row each side so my ridgemaster would hit on the flats of my shingles. Then cut all those new caps. Lifes hard being a perfectionist.
Great video. Nice to see someone showing new roofers your method. Don't mind the haters. Keep doing your thing.
A true professional fast and efficient. 👍🏻 Thank you
Enjoy the videos. Keep em coming. Great work
thank you I appreciate that!
You’re video are awesome, I’m learning something new
Thank you sooo much for sharing this!! It's just what I was looking for, and even though my valley may not have turned out as good as yours, at least I was very confident in what I was doing. Thank you again !!!
This guy makes it look easy, just keeping mud on trowel is an art. My Dad was bricklayer for John B. Kelly inc. in Philadelphia started in the 50's retired in 1993. He had forearms like Popeye and had a grip that could crush bones. My Hat off to all Masons, I'm huge fan. Great video!
I started doing roofing in 2005 in Vancouver Canada and started off doing a lot of cedar shakes and then later asphalt shingles I ripped old shingles off that were done like that but I have never done shingles in the valley without a metal valley flashing it's good to know the method thanks for showing this method
You are very good! Thank you for not making it a "show off my nail speed video!" People need to learn from these videos without feeling discouraged. I'm a handyman, and I have never laid shingles, now I know the right way to do a valley thanks to you!
Looks to me like 5 nails per second on average. I can't believe there will be zero problems after 6,000 nails are shot.
His accuracy for tossing trash toward gutter is amazing!
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Thanks to this video I do my roofing my self that"s Awesome Thanks Bro keep it up
Absolutely spot on! There are a few ways to run a valley, but this way is as good and efficient as any and will look great, great job on nail placement, you'd be surprised how many so called roofers mess up on nail placement and all other aspects of shingle roofs!
I need to fix my own roof, but im an automotive technician, never roofed, saw the worlds fastest shingler, clicked, realized very quickly you know your shit, 5 nail pattern, i now understand, valley backstep, got it. Thank you for sharing your techniques and the way you teach makes sense to me. Smiles and Frowns took me a few minutes to "see" and "notice". My roofer friend told me my ridge cap was backwards, or upsidedown, not sure what he means, but the sheeting is rotting after only 10 years or so. Thanks again for your experience and knowledge, great videos.
Vtec4fun if you’re a mechanic you can probably figure out shingling. It ain’t that hard, although my cousin who’s a mechanic is like a cat on a roof, most people don’t realize how uncomfortable it is if your not used to it lol
Please also ensure you have adequate attic venting, as insufficient attic venting can promote the rotting of your sheathing.
Good looking roofing job thank you for sharing your knowledge... You know most guy's I worked for wouldn't lift a finger to help us workers out they would show up the day we started a job and the day to collect the check when we were finishing up. I would have loved working for a boss like you , I can remember many times guy's wouldn't even have the money to pay us on payday because they were out chasing that buzz...
yea that's insane to me. I know all about that. I will be more of a delegator someday, but it will be earned by then and I will always be available for material runs n whatever. this is my job. n payday. that's fucked up. I've never even come close to being short on pay day. its all about money management
Basically, nothin serious, no big deal! I love it! Especially a half -ass weave! The best ever!
Great video. About to start a shingle job on my house and this just what I will be doing. Thanks
I'm not a roofer, but I own rental property and have to hire roofers every couple of years or so. Just started watching your videos a couple of months ago when some popped up with other vids I was watching. Had to see the "world's fastest shingler" ;) at work. Been watching ever since.
I got to this video from the link on the "worst roof ever installed" Part 2 12-7-19 video. I was wondering in the "fastest square contest" vids why you left a gap after the first nail in your nailing pattern. This video explained the nail pattern and the valley well. Thanks.
A lot of these kinds of videos not only apply to roofing but lessons for planning and time (saving) management in other disciplines as well.
And the "worst roof ever" should be a must see for anyone who is thinking about hiring a roofer.
Good job.
Very good demonstration I've been a roofing contractor for 30 years of my entire life I can definitely agree with your demonstration great job bro
Thank you subscribe to see more! Got a lot of good videos coming up
@@NWIVeteranConstruction roof troubleshooting is something I have always loved doing
Your shits gunna leak too then!
One of the better I have watched. Thanks
Great video educational and enjoyable I'm a slater and tiler in the UK 40.years experience I used shingle once or twice on decorational garden gazebos I'd managed to do hips but now I'd be confident enough to take on valley's thanks mate
I am doing my homes roof and am learning from you thanks
Glad to see we aren't the only company that finds it hard to find good help. We are at the top end of the pay spectrum and still can't find anyone that reliable
It's a tough business. Got to lead by example, almost anyone worth a damn is got some serious issues
@@NWIVeteranConstruction - Amen to that! It's definitely a young man's game. I did it 35-years ago and there's no way in hell I could do it now on a production level.
Too many rules and regulations. Dishonest contractors, weather, alcohol and drug addictions. Those are all things I’ve witnessed in my state. I’m hoping to work 7 days a week this summer.
Great videos! Especially this one. Just did my roof and my valleys came out great! Saved myself $5000 doing my own roof.
I'd share pics but can't on here lol
Awesome way good job teaching how too do it .. Great job on tht.. 👍
I don’t know anything about roofing, but I watched this video twice, never thought it’s to complicated like this. anyway great job..
It’s not complicated at all. (I’m a roofer)
The great job is being able to be up there for hours on end in the blistering heat.
I am a newbie to roofing and I find all your videos to be easy to follow and very educational! Can’t wait to see a video on how to put on drip edge. It seems confusing at times and hard
Its so simple! I'll make on for you shortly
Worlds Fastest Shingler thanks brother!
Lol
Very helpful video. I'll be doing this kind of valley on my roof very soon.
Exactly what I was looking for please keep making more videos thank you so much
I barely started working for a roofing company and watching your videos motivates me to learn and be one step ahead
I like your variation of a closed valley. I began doing a woven valley years ago because of the usual problems of a cut closed valley. I have watches several of your videos now and gained from them. I've been doing it for 50+ years,, not a steady diet,, just the one or two regular customers each year.
Now it is my turn to give back. Two very small tips for you.
A. On any closed or open valley, there is a center line and the cut line off to the side,, it should be a taper, open to the bottom. You can begin right on the center line at the top of the valley,, but then run the chalk line to 3 or 4 inches open at the bottom. This is a near requirement for an area with a maple tree, ash trees are pretty much gone,, the helicopter seeds. If the valley does not open to the bottom,, they will jam it up.
B. You use a rake edge starter strip, hopefully with a tar strip (There is one video,, no tar strip,,,, you know which I mean.) The rake edge starter strips should NOT be flush with the shingle edges. I have not seen your detail at that point,, I am inferring. You could be doing it just fine already. On rakes, the edge starter strip should be flush or just a bit beyond the drip edge,, but the shingle should extend past the starter strip. Starter strips that are flush with the shingle edges on slopes will lead water back under the shingles. Shingles always stick out farther. You very likely do this already,, I have not seen a clear example in the videos I've watched thus far. It just looks like you do it flush.
Always good to watch someone skillful. In spite of my years and number of roofs, I haven't learned it all. Good to pick up subtleties from someone else, who is good.
Sailor376also always cut rake straight to starter lol first thing customer looks at is the rake and if that looks like shit then the whole roof might look like shit
I’ll take A. For some thought. Sounds reasonable because on a rainy day bottom of the valley is a river
I'm starting to learn a lot of things watching your videos. My mom is looking to replace her shingles in a couple of years, your videos are helping out. Looks like mom's going to save some money and with my brother working for a shingles manufacturing company she's going to save quite a bit of money😂
Hire a roofer or you will regret it.
Great work. Very methodical..
Worked all the day on the roof and still watch ur videos lol😂
lol no such thannggg as too much roofin
When are u going to do a more detailed video on the back step. Thanks for videos and ur help. Teaching me a lot
I like how you explain everything thank you
Really helpful video. Thanks for the posting. I'm roofing my parents' house this weekend and they have several valleys.
thank you for explaining your 1 3 1 nailing pattern, though I think it overkill, it is better to see you are consistent with your work and I would never worry about the extra nail. good job sir! I like your work. as long as you apply your lap cut valley properly with your lap side on the lower slope and the steeper slope as the cut side.
Architectural shingles require minimum of 5 nails. Just helps to hold the shingle down better in windy conditions
doing a roof next week. Code requires 5 nails per...
Excellent! The 'only' thing I do different is to sort through the package and choose shingles that end with a single ply on other side of valley instead of double ply on laminate. Less 'lumpy' when other side of roof is installed.
I see the procedure of running 1 course of shingle up the valley before starting other side more & more. Personally, I still run them wild across valley, chaulk a line to valley crease, and cut (upper 'points' too).
I support veterans because I’m a veteran myself beautiful job young man beautiful job if I ever need a roofer I am going to invited to Indiana to do it. The best roofer I shave seen so far
I've never seen anyone use shingles diagonally in the valley, always seen them cut off the excess overlap to create the seam. I really love this method! I told my fianceé when the first two diagonal shingles were laid "I'm not sure what he's doing; but I think I'm about to like it". This seems to eliminate a lot of waste, cutting time, and keeps a crisp valley edge. I'm currently replacing her roof from the damage of Hurricane Ida in Terrebonne Parish. It's been 20 years since I've roofed a house; and this video will help me out tremendously! Thanks!
It's called California valley...not legal in Alberta,CA...but did alot of it like this and its mint...never had one leak
@@dannyneveu6226 I used this method on my fianceé's roof when I repaired it in Dec 2021. Waste was well below 10%. The estimate was $10K; and we done it ourselves for slightly under $2,500. I was very pleased with the results. If an ice/water shield is installed in the valleys, then it seems ridiculous for this method to be illegal anywhere. The overlapping doesn't change drastically, just an added guideline for the overlapping layer to follow. However, I have much respect for meticulous roofers. I'm definitely not biting at the bit to roof another house. LoL
I wish I had a boss like you that explained stuff. I never found out how to shingle and missed lots of opportunities bc of it.
If you had someone explain it to you lik that you wouldn't have kept a job very long!
jmack outdoorluvr Dude...WTF
18. 1/2 inches off the bottom then every 11 inches . These measurements are for a chalk line. Top of the shingle hits the chalk line. Keep up the good work.
Gonna use this. I’ve done something similar to 41”, 83” and 125”. Used those measurements when tying in a valley
I do 19, and off the 19, 22, 44, 66, 88 to make dormers meet up
Is that for 5-5/8 reveal cause not all shingles measure that
Thanks for helping an amateur DIYer
glad I can help
Thank you so much for sharing pretty nice video bro keep up the good work
Damn, now you got me interested in shingles! It’s actually A lot like the way our bond is for masonry! How about a hipped roof? That’s what I am stuck with, and I need a new roof. Lower Michigan. Lol!
What about a hip roof were you curious about
@1986yamahafazer69 I roof and I’m out of kalamazoo three rivers area Michigan
Good work man been doing valleys like this for 10 years never had a leak
Gotta love the haters though lol
Be careful on them roofs, brother. Very much enjoy watching your videos.
Great video man. Thanks
You over nail, learn to back nail to avoid nailing too close to seems. We use 1/2 shingle technique. Cut shingles into 1/2. Every second row, start with a 1/2 shingle. Nail patterns are consistent. This is important in a group to avoid nailing at a seem. It is a great way to avoid nail/seem mistakes. On another note. 1/2 shingle technique ages much better, you do not see patterns as much. makes it look better. Is it windy where you're at? 4 nails is fine. What is under them shingles? I hope you got Valley or Ice and Water at least. Closed Valleys age much better than open Valleys, but the law up North is Metal in the Valley. Great job.
chrisregpick make a video
Excellent and helpful 👌 Video.. Thank you
Great videos Man, learn something every time
Great work haus! I'd like to work with u guys. I run my own renovation company and I occasionally shingle my own projects.. very informative and a pleasure to watch! Keep up the good work. Just subscribed, keep em coming man.
I've seen this way another contractor does his valley .he runs a row of shingles up valley and then just butting his rows to tbat without having to cut them .it's a version of the cut without cutting. I'm old fashioned and still do woven even with different pitches the flat get more rows all by eye .I think that better and I see you tbe same
drip edge is installed wrong underlayment should be on top of drip edge except on the rake edge
@@bryanlam9886 Florida underlayment under the drip edge ,Hurricane Charlie in south Florida started changing many of the normal ways we have done things for years .Hurricane hits it just don’t matter on a shingle roof over or under it’s going .
Thank you for the video and the tricks
Excellent video! Boy-cub is a great asset to you. His video is spot on. Learned a lot.
That first starter you put on, the one you should have ran through the valley a little more. How fast did your shingle catch up to that seam? I'm going to guess next shingle lol
If you get the right starters for your shingles you don't have to worry about that.
My one buddy floats a few shingles b4 falling back 2 the valkey, runs it back to the 2nd n 1st a few then floats again.works out alright!.i try n maintain a 4 nail or storm nail pattern, depending on pitch n story height when doing valleys
Santino Martinez coad where I am is a metal flashing in the valleys.
@@mikerob100 or is it CODE?
@@rickw5024 Not national/international code, could be local code to require the metal valley. It just calls for: "For closed valleys (valleys covered with shingles), valley lining of one ply of smooth roll roofing complying with ASTM D 6380, and at least 36 inches (914 mm) wide or types as described in Item 1 or 2 above shall be permitted. Self-adhering polymer modified bitumen underlayment complying with ASTM D 1970 shall be permitted in lieu of the lining material."
Awesome vid. Thanks.
Toppp..Very good...Very easy!
I noticed no chalk lines to maintain straightness with Owens Corning shingles we snap a line 13” from the bottom of drip edge and then 33 1/2” from that line and go all the way up the roof. This helps keep everything straight.
Pros don’t need chalk lines
W the courses falling on them 33s are they suppose to fall right on or is there any adjusting required?
He chalked for the starter and that’s it.
And that's how you end up with no overhang in the middle when the facia bows. Chalk lines are for valleys and hips nothing more.
Every roofer should use lines!!!! Pros my ass. The shingles need to be and stay straight or the customer got a screwing!!!! I have been roofing for 30 years and lines are a must!!!!
I prefer weaving both sides of the vally. Down here in NC we call what youre doing yankee valley. To me, a weave all the way up looks way better plus itll save you from cutting the valley.
Yeah except weaving archetecturals will almost always void the warranty. If you're unfortunate enough to be installing 3 tabs, than yes I agree with you.
Have you been watching.... He never cut one shingle...
We call this a California Valley. And it’s unacceptable to manufactures. Can’t do it! By the way, there is no cutting.
Did you even watch the video?? This is a called a California style no cut closed valley. No cutting, and if you put a 3" row of roof cement under the entire verticals shingles it will never leak. I don't care what the manufacturers say...
@@Maynardd wrong
Awsome job thanks for the video
You guys do great work this requires so much experience to make sure you have no leak one wrong nail and your screwed. This is why one of my friends that wanted to do his own roof I told him not to. We can frame we can screw dry wall in but roofing not worth the risk.
yea its delicate
I like when he makes a mistake, first we don’t notice until he admits to it, and second there is always a quick fix followed by a “that won’t leak” or a “it’s not noticeable” “add some tar, let that one go, inspector won’t see it” Hahaa.
Guy is a fantastic roofer
This drives me crazy , I absolutely love the idea of becoming a roofer. Except i also like the idea of working on cars, but plumbing looks interesting as well. See my problem? I want to do it all , but you can’t be a master at all of those
I'm becoming a home inspector. Seems to fit my needs because it's a little bit of everything!
Oh yes you can! Work buddy work. Plumbing looks easy. Roofing won't take too many years as long as you keep up on my videos and it seems like you've got a headstart on cars/ trucks. Get er done bruh if you want it you need to put tf out!
Worlds Fastest Shingler fair enough
Become a farmer. I get to do em all brother
With electric cars coming on strong auto mechanics may be in less demand within 10 years..
25 years next month we’ve been using this we know it as the California 0 issues with leaks. Looks great and customers love it thanks for sharing.
Very Interesting, as a builder and home inspector (not a pro roofer) in Massachusettes I do cut or weaved valleys. I have never seen anyone run the shingle on the angle up the valley and then roof over it. I like it!
Never saw valley done that way, looks great, I preferred French weave
weave looks the best in my opinion
End of your shingle is in the middle of the vally
Seems like he's being cheap with his shingles and he's only saving a couple shingles
Great video and this is the best way to run a valley. We call it a no cut valley. The only thing I do different is my valley line is out of the valley about 2 inches so that water can somewhere roll up and hit the valley shingle which keeps it from being able to work it’s way up under the shingle as easy.
There you are. I scrolled past your texts today n was wondering where you been lol I like it a little closer coz it still has that same effect but looks a little nicer in my opinion but to each their own. Close enough right. If I had to guess mine are usually about 1 1/4 out of the actual center
Thanks for the video good explanation 👍
Have been doing valleys like that in Northern Ontario Canada for years. Beautiful and practical.
It's wrong it's called being lazy do closed cut
Never had a problem but thanks anyway
I also lay a bead of roof cement all the way up about 1/2” away from the chalk line.
FYI I live in Northern Canada buddy. Snow, ice, water, 4 seasons. If it works here it works anywhere.
leigh white company I work for has been doing them this way 30 years, never a call back for a valley leak we did.. please explain to me how this is lazy? Cuz to me an ugly open metal valley is the lazy way.. looks like crap too
I would like to know where you got your roofing lessons! Sir !
From Owen Cornings you have a problem with that..
Best valley video out there.
thank u
You should teach roofing. I know alot of people say anyone can be a roofer but very few roof it correctly. Great video lots of information and explanation of reasons why .
The starter shingle should be nailed low over the drip edge so the wind can’t blow it up. If you’re going to run a bleeder and point out of a valley you shouldn’t snap your line in the center of the valley you should snap it on the up slope so water doesn’t want to go underneath your bleeder. This looks like a about a 3/12 pitch to me and the underlayment should be 2 plied on the half lap. On a slope this low this valley should be woven. When you weave a valley there is no seem for the water to go underneath and you get 2 layers of shingles where a lot of the water runs. This guy has some more to learn about shingling. Take it from a guy who has been doing this nearly 40 years.
just put valley metal. problem solved lol
Been doing it like that for years never had an issue
Facts! I run 2 courses up at a time. Lay outside shingle first and butt valley shingle into outside shingle. More efficient and straighter for sure
I was like huh at the explanation but I can see he knows what's going on!Great job
love your videos. im just a homeowner thinking of doing my roof, but not sure im up to it. its steep, and tall. wish you worked in NC
Jeremy do it. Safety first I’m thinking the same as you🤣
It might be a good idea to put roof cement under that place holder shingle in the valley, so once you struck the blue chalk line you could spread some roof cement up to the chalk line and lay the place holder shingle on top. It's just an added measure if water wanted to creep underneath. Great videos and methods btw! Just be careful not to overdo it cause if you step in the valley by accident the tar can squeeze out and make a mess lol
That's how the crew I work with does valleys
Very nice! Im a roofer myself running my own business and do closed valleys 100% the same.. just thought id see if it was just me or not haha
We r GAF certified installers and this is how they prefer to have valleys installed. They also make you 6 nail which was hard at first after 5 nailing for 6 years. Took some getting used to. Bang on brother
They prefer cut valleys
I’m sorry but not being a hater as you say but the valley you are installing is called a alternative no cut valley, and on dimensional shingle they recommend a California cut valley or open valley but hey I’ve only know this due to the only shingle manufacture that makes you take a test to be able to install them professionally, but your roofing looks nice.
@@donslaton9356 gaf 100% prefers a traditional cut valley.
I went on my porch roof past two days to shingle. First time ever
1. Roofs ate hot real hot everything gets hot crapbwill burn your hands and knees
2. No idea how you just walk around I was scared as crap
hahaha man I was shaking the first time I got on a ladder. I was shaking when they gave me a tear off shovel. it lasted 20 minutes tho n never came back lol
Bro....I'm in Indiana...first of all I want to show up on your jobsite and show u how fast you arent..2nd get use to seeing me.....kareem hunter
Uh-OH! We got Mr. Fort Wayne over here puffing up his feathers with his nest building skillz. Look out!
with all do respect, you need a mic
Been watching your vids . Good teacher .
Thank you
Nice work guys 👍
Get closer boycup!! Zoom kid!
Im pretty sure he is saying "boycub"
Minds boggled I'm out. No way I could keep track what nail pattern I did here or there. If I did this for a living there would be a lot of leaky roofs LMAO. Gonna stay a bug man.
ive seen plent of people nail in the seem with no problems
Cool your shows getting better and better keep it up from RooferBob400
I like the way you teach me how to shingles thanks you very much
Out on the west coast it used to be called a “California Weave” and thats going back 30 years. They work great and last a long time-EXCEPT if the homeowner is a pain in the ass and constantly goes on the roof.. Then you run valley metal and run a bead of 204 the whole length.. 🤔
Nice!
marxg4 i always prefer to put metal with low pitched roofs like the one in the video, you know, just in case
4:36 he drives a nail out in the open and leaves it. Nice!! LOL.
Nah it didn't shoot. I've used those things enough to hear the difference by sound.
No...
This is awesome, you guys are doing a wonderful job. You can tell all the hate is coming from hacks or customers.
Exactly, but not my customers lol
Solid brother. Good video.