@@rodolforusca3271 yes lol the trinitarian couldnt do anything other than keep accusing the unitarians was using "unitarian assumption" lol what?,even atheists were using this kind of argument and they make sense of it,no need for unitarian assumption lol
@@ManlyServant no such thing as unitarian the oneness position is either different from this argument but strongly I disagree on JW position , James Bernard would be better have an argument on this matter.
nope. Reading only 1 text to support a false claim? that's a very weak argument. Jesus was the one who Prophet Isaiah prophesied in Isaiah 40:3, which was fulfilled in John the baptist. He prepared the way for God, who was Jesus Christ, the Word of God, who was God, who became flesh and dwelt among us in verse 14.
White doesn’t seem to understand that Christ said ‘you’ that is second person therefore refers to the listener not speaker. He then says only (monos in Greek) which means ‘alone, one or only’. That means the person Christ was speaking to is the true God with exclusion to anyone else. If therefore Christ is true God, James would need to concede that Christ either misspoke or lied. For example if I said ‘DNA is the only molecule for protein synthesis’, that is wrong. It is irrelevant to the validity of that statement that DNA is integral to protein synthesis, the statement is wrong. This is because I said ‘only’ that excludes all other essential molecules The same is true for the trinity, this was not Jesus stating the necessity of The Father in salvation, it was Christ excluding all other persons as the ‘True God’ including himself. So as the brother tried to help James understand if Jesus is god in some way he is not ‘The Only True God’
The spirit can be called the only God as well because, listen up, God exists in 3 persons of a tri-une God. 3 persons 1 God. Remove your JW blinkers and look at the text.
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age (Matthew 28:18-20).
James cannot answer a direct question. "If the Father is the only true God, then what kind of God is Jesus?" Of course, a trinitarian cannot answer this directly.
Jehovahs Witnesses believe in 2 gods. Trinitarians believe in 1 god in 3 persons. I don't get it, why was James White so confused? He could have turned that question right around at Mr. Stafford: We believe in only 1 true God in 3 persons. But you believe, that the word was "a god." So what kind of god was the word, if it was not the only true God?
@@mohamedYasser-yc6xj No. "The Father is the only true God" is perfectly fine with the Trinity. The Trinity means, that there is only one true God in 3 persons (Father, Son and Spirit). Tritheism would be 3 true Gods, but Christians don't believe in 3 gods. Mr. Stafford believes, that there are 2 true gods or 1 true god (the father only) and 1 false god (Jesus).
There is no book that I know of that is more complicated than the Holy Bible. You do know that Jesus let us know in many places in the Bible that he is God. John says that all things were created by Jesus. What does that mean?
@@thomaswayneward no, Paul said it before me 1 Corinthians 2:14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit
@@follow_the_way oh OK I’m sorry I didn’t misunderstand you. When you mean can I have a different meeting depending on context, I thought you meant that in a different way.
Gradually Christianity is coming round to overthrow the falsehood of the trinity doctrine because Christians can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.
What Dr. James White is actually doing, is to interpret the term "only true God" to be "only true nature". He doesn't associate the term "only true God" with the person, but with the being. When faced with a question as this one, trinitarians always say that oneness are assuming that that God is one person or some response as of what Dr. James White said.
Verse 5 does not necessitate coequality of another divine person. Matter of fact it doesn't even hint at it. Glory doesn't necessitate divine person at all but is set apart for the divine purpose of God which he is the source/author. Which can include anyone according to God's plan of which he ultimately recieves glory as the source.
John 6:38 The eternal Son descends from Heaven sent by the Father... Unitarians were condemned as heretics at the Nicea council 325 A.D and 200 years later again at the calcedonian Council where the two nature's of the eternal Son were re-affirmed.
Jesus was the lamb slain before the foundation of the world but he wasn't actually slain till 33 AD. To glorify the Son was always in the mind and plan of God just like those "in Christ" were in HIM before the foundation of the world.
The trinity defines 3 persons, one God. But which of these really was the Father of Jesus here on earth? Because with the glasses of the trinity, I see in Matthew 1:18 that it was the person of the Holy Spirit who impregnated Mary! Now, wouldn't that make the Father of Jesus, not the first person of the trinity, but the third? Hmmmm....
Greg Stafford does not have a fixed position on this matter. You assume that he believes that the Holy Spirit is not a person. He does not necessarily. He accepts the possibility of both.
The Father is generally called God in a nominal sense since He eternally generates the Son, who is of the same essence & substance as the Father ontologically.
@@Post-Trib The Father is the only uncaused cause who eternally caused the Son & Spirit, so in that sense He is the only true God. But since the Son & Spirit are of the Father's on being & essence, they are 'God' in the predicative sense.
@@Post-Trib [got actual scripture that quotes this?] -- The Bible does not expressly provide every word I mentioned just like the Bible does not expressly say what the 'Bible' is. [Who coined the word trinitas or trinity ] -- Why is that trivia important to know? Nonetheless, it may have been Tertullian. [who formulated the doctrine of the trinity] -- The Church, same for establishing the canon of the NT.
@@InfinitelyManic if it's not explicitly mentioned by God or his people or any of the apostles and prophets then it's not true. It's not good doctrine. The trinity is pagan and man-made
Not necessarily the doctrine, but the individual. Catholicism is incorrect, but some Catholics can be Christ's chosen and more holy than myself and humbled in Christ.
Modalistic Monarchianism is the only correct definition with Jesus being God, the Father and the Holy spirit. He manifested as all of them at the same time. He's God! He can. There are not 3 gods (which every religion on earth denies God would come to earth like the trinity denies the Father could come to earth).
Sad part is that trinitarians today don’t realize their doctrine has been changing throughout its existence to correct the flaws. The original trinitarian doctrine was not what it is today.
The knowledge of God has advanced throughout the OT and the NT and after the NT was written. God doesn't stand still with his people and is showing us new vistas all the time. The Church did not get frozen at the time the book of acts ended. The Holy Spirit is with us to teach us. But any new teaching cannot disagree with the old teachings.
@@thomaswayneward Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. 9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. The doctrine of Jesus doesnt change.
@@revamp6612 Did I say Jesus changed? For people like you it is impossible for you to ever get to the truth. Jesus is always showing his truth through the Holy Spirit, or did the Holy Spirit die after Acts was written?
@@thomaswayneward Be not carried about with divers (of various sorts) and strange (foreign) doctrines. Do you understand what is being said??? Unfamiliar! a doctrine that changes is not familiar it is unfamiliar. Over time the trinity has had various sorts of doctrine because it has changed over time. Think about it. Jesus is always showing his truth. The thing is that truth does not change. We shall know the truth and the truth will set us free. It’s not we will eventually get the truth right. We already have truth. People like me know the truth.
This actually makes Greg fall right on his face with this question, as claiming Yeshua is some different type of god would make Him not a true god but a false god like the judges.
JW's and Unitarianism is what happens when you get to re-write the bible as you see fit. This heresy was defeated back with Irenaeus. Unfortunately, heretics are very persistent and here we are 2000 years later dealing with the same heresies.
@@BornAgainEnglishmanKJV If you read my comment, I indicate that we have been refuting this heresy since the 1st century. So no I don't believe nor claimed it's a protestant invention, its simply a recurrence of the same heresy. Unfortunately common occurrence under Protestantism because they all get to invent their own interpretation of scripture. Secondly, please cite a *single* "Church Father" that supported Unitarianism? The closest you will get is Arius an Egyptian presbyter which was NOT a Church Father and was rebuked and condemned *by the Church*
@@PatrickInCayman - Justin: “There is said to be, __**another God**__ and Lord subject to the Maker of all things” - Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, chapter LVI (56) - Irenaeus: **“[Christ] commanded that one **__BEING__** should be called Father”** - Irenaeus, Against Heresies IV.1.2, p. 463 - Tertullian: “The very Wisdom of God is declared to be **born and created**, for the especial reason that we should not suppose **__that there is any other BEING than God [the Father] alone__** who is ***unbegotten* and *uncreated***.” - Tertullian, Against Hermogenes, Chapter 18 - Hippolytus: “the Father is one God, the first and only One, the Maker and Lord of all. He had nothing co-eval [of equal age] with him… But he was One, alone by himself, who, willing it, __called into being what had no being before__…[God, via the Logos] formed the ruler of all [creation, i.e. Adam]… The Creator did not wish to make him a god, and failed in His aim; nor an angel… but a man. __For if He had willed to _*_**make**_*_ [Adam]… _*_*a god**, He could have done so. **Thou has the example of the Logos*_*___ - Hippolytus, Against All Heresies, book 10, c28,29 - Origen: “The God and Father, who holds the universe together, is superior to every __**being**__ that exists, for he imparts to each one from his own existence that which each one is; the Son, __**being less than the Father**__ is superior to rational creatures alone” - On First Principles 1.3
@@BornAgainEnglishmanKJV dude, you totally misunderstand those quotes. If you read their writings as a whole, they do not affirm unitarianism or that Jesus was created. Justin Martyr: “Permit me, further, to show you from the book of Exodus how this same One, who is both Angel, and God, and Lord, and man…” “But this Offspring, which was truly brought forth from the Father, was with the Father before all the creatures, and the Father communed with Him” Justin is not using _offspring_ in the sense Jesus was created. Justin goes on to explain "“God begat before all creatures a Beginning, [who was] a certain rational power [proceeding] from Himself, who is called by the Holy Spirit, now the Glory of the Lord, now the Son, again Wisdom, again an Angel, then God, and then Lord and Λόγος” "“For [Jesus] can be called by all those names, since He ministers to the Father’s will, and since He was begotten of the Father by an act of will; just as we see happening among ourselves: for when we give out some word, we beget the word; yet not by abscission, so as to lessen the word in us, when we give it out " Justin is using an analogy between human and divine words and how they are expressed and applies this to the Godhead and how that Logos is indeed God. "The Father of the universe has a Son, who also being the first begotten Word of God, is even God." (Justin Martyr, First Apology, ch 63) I won't belabor the point as I can quote numerous quotes from St. Justin to show he was no friend to unitarians. Iranaeus: 180 AD Irenaeus "...so that He indeed who made all things can alone, *together with His Word, properly be termed God and Lord: but the things which have been made cannot have this term applied to them,* neither should they justly assume that appellation which belongs to the Creator." - Against Heresies, Book III, ch. 8, section 3. 180 AD Irenaeus *"But the Son, eternally co-existing with the Father, from of old, yea, from the beginning,* always reveals the Father to Angels, Archangels, Powers, Virtues..." (Against Heresies, Book II, ch. 30, section 9) 180 AD Irenaeus "Christ Himself, therefore, together with the Father, is the God of the living, who spake to Moses, and who was also manifested to the fathers." (Against Heresies, Book IV, ch. 5, section 2) Tertullian: 200 AD Tertullian *"Never did any angel descend* for the purpose of being crucified, of tasting death, and of rising again from the dead." (The Flesh of Christ, ch 6) 200 AD Tertullian "All the Scriptures give clear proof of the Trinity, and it is from these that our principle is deduced...the distinction of the Trinity is quite clearly displayed." (Against Praxeas, ch 11) 200 AD Tertullian "The origins of both his substances display him as man and as God: from the one, born, and from the other, not born" (The Flesh of Christ, 5:6-7). 200 AD Tertullian "[God speaks in the plural 'Let us make man in our image'] because already there was attached to Him his Son, a second person, his own Word, and a third, the Spirit in the Word....one substance in three coherent persons. He was at once the Father, the Son, and the Spirit." (Against Praxeas, ch 12) 200 AD Tertullian "There is one only God, but under the following dispensation, or oikonomia, as it is called, that this one only God has also a Son, His Word, who proceeded from Himself, by whom all things were made, and without whom nothing was made. Him we believe to have been sent by the Father into the Virgin, and to have been born of her - being both Man and God, the Son of Man and the Son of God, and to have been called by the name of Jesus Christ; we believe Him to have suffered, died, and been buried, according to the Scriptures, and, after He had been raised again by the Father and taken back to heaven, to be sitting at the right hand of the Father, and that He will come to judge the quick and the dead; who sent also from heaven from the Father, according to His own promise, the Holy Ghost, the Paraclete, the sanctifier of the faith of those who believe in the Father, and in the Son, and in the Holy Ghost. That this rule of faith has come down to us from the beginning of the gospel, even before any of the older heretics." (Against Praxeas, ch 2) The quotes are pretty much endless against the idea of unitarianism.
If you watch the whole debate you wouldn't conclude what the title says. Trying to force someone to agree with your eisigesis isn't destroying someone. It's actually pretty embarrassing as a debater.
@servantofJesusChrist470how some people can defend a doctrine that was not clearly defined until the council of Nicaea, and then require it as a part of Christian orthodoxy is beyond me. Follow men if you insist, but we will follow the Lord Jesus Christ and His word.
@vtino4825 The religious historian and philosopher Han-Joachim Schoeps says: “Here is a paradox of world-historical proportions: Jewish Christianity indeed disappeared within the Christian church, but was PRESERVED in Islam.” (Caps mine) One of the names of The Q-ur-an is The Reminder. God Almighty in His FINAL Testament calls the people of the previous scriptures BACK to the straight path - the path which they have abandoned / forgotten / c0rrupted / no knowledge of. Jesus of the Bible preached and practiced: 1) Who is THE ONLY TRUE GOD? ✅ The Father (John 17:3) 2) Who is the God of Jesus? ✅ The Father (John 20:17) 3) Who alone to be worshipped as God? ✅ The Father (John 4:21) 4) Whose name be hallowed? ✅ The Father (The Lord's prayer) 5) Whose kingdom come? ✅ The Father (The Lord's prayer) 6) Whose will be done on earth as it is in heaven? ✅ The Father (The Lord's prayer) 7) Whom to ask for daily bread? ✅ The Father (The Lord's prayer) 8) Whom to ask for forgiveness? ✅ The Father (The Lord's prayer) 9) Whom to pray to for guidance? ✅ The Father (The Lord's prayer) 10) Who delivers from the e-v-i-l one? ✅ The Father (The Lord's prayer) Of course the term "The Father" in the J_ew_ish context. It's nothing more than a term of endearment. Christianity because of its adoption of p-a-g-a-n-i-s-m, gave God a literal Son and later made him into "God". What term Jesus used to call his God isn't as important as the identity of that God. It's dishonesty and desperation which makes the Christians deflect even though in the language of Jesus, he called his God Elaha / Alaha. Aramaic - Elaha Arabic - Allah Same God. The Jews also acknowledge that the Muslims worship the God of Abraham. They rightly categorize Christianity as P0lyth31sm / Id0l1tary / p-a-g-a-n-i-s-m. The Trinitarian Christian FAITH made L-1-A-R-S of both Jesus as well as The Father. Then they have the nerve to say to the Muslims, hey "Jesus called God" Father" and Allah is not a father to anyone, haha. The Christians needs to FIRST rem-ove the pl-an-k from their o-w-n e-y-e.
The answer in islam because the holy spirit is the angel gabriel. A verse in the bible confirms it when jesus said no one knows the hour not the son nor the angels only the father jesus didnt mention the holy spirit because he is among angels.
James White was unneccessarily puzzled. What Trinitarians believe: There is only 1 true god in 3 persons, Jehovah. What Jehovah's Witnesses believe: There are 2 gods, one is the Father, the other is the Son - the word was a god. Now, what does John 17:3 say? It says, the Father is the only true God. So how many true gods are there? The answer is 1. But Jehovahs Witnesses believe in 2 gods. So we Trinitarians, who believe in 1 true God in 3 persons ask Jehovahs Witnesses, who believe in 2 gods: What kind of god was Jesus, if there is only 1 true god? Mr. Stafford was digging his own grave with that question, and James White completely missed the opportunity to push him into it (I mean that symbolically.) Mr. Stafford was arguing against the existence of multiple gods. Firstly, Trinitarians don't believe in multiple gods, and secondly, Jehovah's Witnesses do believe in multiple gods, because they claim that the word was *a* god. Basic Greek and even English grammar shows you, that the verse is not about how many persons there are in the Godhead, but how many gods there are, and Trinitarians believe in only 1 god. But Jehovah's Witnesses believe in 2.
They don't lol and you will never hear a JW say they believe in two gods. "A god" simply means that he has divine qualities like his father (aka thats what makes him a true son). But Jw's also believe he is michael so thats where it gets complicated / weird.
@@starwarsbunker I also believe, he is Michael, but that doesn't contradict the Trinity. I believe, the classic image of Michael the Archangel doesn't exist, but that "Michael" is just another name of Jesus like "Immanuel", and "Archangel" is either a title like "Son of Man" or Jude was quoting an apocryphal text to make a point, in which case Michael's true identity wouldn't matter. But Jesus is definitely not a created angel, just like the Angel of Yahweh is no created angel.
@@starwarsbunker Also, isn't it strange how they need to translate John 1:1 in a weird way and then build a whole philosophical construct around this translation in order to make some sense? They do the same thing in Hebrews 1:8, where God suddenly becomes the throne of Jesus, and probably a few other verses. Hebrews 9:16-17 also stopped making sense.
Wouldn’t Jesus in the flesh and as a Jewish man have only one true God? At the time that Jesus said this he had emptied himself of all his power and glory to become a servant. Please help me to understand.
There is no contradiction in saying that the Father is the only and true God and Jesus is also the only and true God. They both are God and not two gods.
Hey brother or sister who ever is the owner of this channel, I did my research and that guy Gregg Stafford is a Jehovah witness not oneness. He does not believe in Apostolic doctrine he believes Jesus is a god and not the God.
Yes.. Thank you brother .. the point is thatThe Trinity theologian Dr James White didn’t know how to answer the Question.. on (John 17:3) We believe that Jesus is the manifestation of the Father or The one true God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is not the three separate person but three manifestation.. Thank you for supporting the Onenesstv Channel.. we do the best we can to spread the Apostolic oneness Doctrine..
Gregg Stafford teaches what the Bible is teaching. watch the entire debate, all his arguments about God is supported in the Bible, while the oneness claim is only forced interpretation.
when Jesus was on earth, he did not exist in the spirit realm. when Jesus died, he really die no part of him exist, until he was raise as a spirit by God in the third day. meaning, when Jesus was resurrected, he was given a spirit body. The ONLY TRUE God was his Father Jah(John 17:3)
@@vincecass-labs6818 hello. I’m curious, how do you explain the following? After Jesus was raised before He ascended to the Father, He went to see His disciples and said: Luke 24:39 “ see my hands in my feet, that it is myself. Touch me and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” Here is what He told Thomas who didn’t believe it was Him. He was showing him his hands where the nails were placed and his side where the Roman soldier pierced him. So it was his body. John 20:27 “put your fingers here , see my hands, and put out your hand, and place it in my side, do not disbelieve, but believe.”
Yes God can die. But only God can resurrect… Acts 20:28 “Shepherd the church of God which he purchased with HIS own blood.” the NWT is a false translation that puts: “purchased with the blood of his own son.” Totally changes the message.
In English if you call someone a noun, in this instance God is the noun, then that person is a "something" in this instance the father is "A" God. For example "You are the only woman I know" then the woman is "A" woman. The father is a God. This implies other gods, but Jesus means all other gods are false, and the father is the only real or true god. Another example: This the the only real dog I own, means I may have other plastic dogs, or look after other peoples real dogs, but this is the only real dog that I own. I would imagine greek grammar is something similar, and so, we can conclude that Jesus means nobody else is a real God except the father. In order to include other persons, Jesus would have to have said "You are part of the only true God" but instead he gives us the impression that the father is "the only" true God and Jesus is his anointed (Christ) sent by the father, making him less than the father. People are so brainwashed they can't understand their own language anymore. If Jesus had made this staement about any other noun there would have been no argument. It is a good exercise to look up the 45 times the word "monos" (only) occurs in the new testament, without exception "the only" person, group of persons, or thing is mentioned and, obviously, it is a word that excludes any other than the one mentioned.
That's why he giggles and laughs with Doug Wilson. He thinks a guy who believes in baptismal regeneration is a brother joking in his debate but attacks these guys.
He did answer the question, numerous times. It's simply that the person debating and those that support him do not like the answer. Everyone likes their proof-texts and put it in isolation. If you take 2 Peter 3:9 in isolation, as an example, you come with up a completely different meaning than if take the chapter and the entire book in context. If you take all of scripture, that includes the old testament, the trinity becomes rather clear. We like to put God in a box reflects the nature of His creation. We are not God, we are not gods. The concept of an eternal being that can speak things into existence seems capable of putting himself inside a human so that he could live the sinless perfect lie that his creation can't. This then allows a holy God to put the punishment we deserve on His Son, so that when He see us He see the righteousness of God. Three persons, 1 being sure doesn't seem outside the nature of an holy, eternal, God.
Hello oneness Pentecostals, I hope you are doing well. Please stop reading if you do not want your life to be destroyed (only to be regenerated). … You sure? Ok, John 5:37 It will be okay, whether God is the oneness, or the trinity, he still loves you!
I don’t know who came up with the word trinity, and honestly, I don’t care. If you don’t want to use that word, don’t, but everything summarized in what we call the trinity is in the Bible. I guess your point is that because the word isn’t there, the scripture isn’t there to back up what it’s saying. Which is not a compelling argument, because where is the word ‘oneness’ in the Bible? Now, whose voice are they hearing in John 5:37?
@@waltercoleman624 Deut 6:4 Hear, O, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Tertullian coined the term trinitas or trinity and formulated the doctrine of the trinity. It's the doctrine of demons. It's pagan and man-made
He doesn’t do many debates anymore because not many are brave enough to go against him on touchy subjects like this. He mainly just does podcasts. I’m not a Calvinist, but I like what he’s debated in the past
Calvinism is just biblical , I encourage you to read your Bible without preconceived ideas. Let the text speak for its self. It teaches TULIP. Total depravity of man in sin Unconditional election Limited atonement Irresistible grace Perseverance of the saints
Oneness tv channel, you have got it the wrong way round, because james white destroyed Greg Stafford. Greg is so dim that he couldn't understand the truth that James explained. Greg Stafford won't debate with me because he knows that I will prove him wrong.
what is God:trinity what is trinity?:3 person in one being is the father trinity?:no he is member of trinity then why Jesus says father is the ONLY True God: **babbles**
Because all 3 members of the Trinity are Jehovah, and Jehovah is the only true God. The Father is the only true God, just as the Son is the only true God and the Spirit is the only true God, because all 3 of them are the same 1 true God. But Jehovah's Witnesses believe in 2 gods.
@@DominikKoppensteiner who is God:jehovah what is the jehovah?:the personal name of the True God of abraham isaac and jacob or christianity,consists of three person,father son and holy spirit,the father is not the son,the son is not holy spirit is the son jehovah?:yes but he is just 1 person of the 3 if thats what your presumption is,then why did Jesus says Father is the ONLY TRUE God?: **babbles in repeated arguments**
@@DominikKoppensteiner what is God:jehovah what is the jehovah?:the personal name of the True God of abraham isaac and jacob or christianity,consists of three person,father son and holy spirit,the father is not the son,the son is not holy spirit is the son jehovah?:yes but he is just 1 person of the 3 if thats what your presumption is,then why did Jesus says Father is the ONLY TRUE God?: **babbles in repeated arguments**
@@ManlyServant Please read the text carefully. Have you ever looked at a trinity symbol, that says "the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit, the Spirit is not the Father, the Father is God, the Son is God, the Spirit is God"? It is true that the Father is the only true God. That's because there is only 1 God. But it is false to say, that only the Father is God. Fortunately, John 17:3 does not say that. Please read the text again in humility and pay attention to the grammar.
We're not unitarians because that doctrine is just as wrong as trinitarian. God the Father became his own Son. Jesus is the manifestation and personification of God the Father in human form
The one on the left is not a good debater. You can't take one sentence in the Bible and base the entire bible on it. Jesus many times in the Bible says or insinuates that he is God, are we supposed to forget about those passages?
You don't understand the argument he's making. He definitely has not taken one verse & tried to explain the entire Bible. He's literally trying to explain one verse alone.
What do you want Jesus to say he is the Only fake God? Is John 17:3 The beginning of the gospel of John? No, it's at the very end of the gospel of John so why would you jump to the very end and take that one verse out of context. John already told you in John 1:1 In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God, he Told you already from the very Beginning Of the gospel of john that Jesus is the word John 1:17 and the word was God. In John 8:58-59 Jesus said I AM Calling himself the IAM from Exodus Ch 3:14 and the Jews picked up stones to stone him to death because they knew exactly that he was claiming to be God. Jesus was telling the truth in John 17:3 but we need to comprehend it in spite of everything it said before john 17:3. Let's go to John 10:30 I and my Father are one. John 12:45 He that seeth me seeth him that sent me. Go to John 5:18 And Philippians 2:6-7 Jesus is equal with God. Jesus never said he wasn't in unity with the father he is. God is a trinity The father son and holy spirit make up the Godhead 1 Timothy Ch 3:16 God is a mystery. So, John and Jesus himself and the Jews John 5:18 already tells us before john 17:3 That Jesus is God so let's take John 17 and comprehend it in a way that fits all the other scriptures now let's use your logic and go to 1 Corinthians Ch 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live. So, Jesus can't be God because there is only One God the father ok well let's continue reading It also says that Jesus is the one lord so is the Father lord yes but not using your logic because only Jesus is lord. You see your logic fails when we compare scripture with scripture that why you like to isolate john 17:3 because you know if you interpret scripture with scripture your logic is going to fail now take 1 Corinthian's 8:6 and go to Mark 12:24 and remember Jesus is the one Lord. The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one, So Jesus is the one lord and mark 12:29 says that one lord is God. John tells us in 1 John 4:3 if any man denies that Jesus has come in the flesh same john Who wrote the Gospel of John same john who wrote the apocalypse. Same John that tells You in 1 John 5:20 that Jesus is the true God and eternal life. if you deny that Jesus is God in the flesh you are an antichrist and you're not of God. Read 2 Corinthian's 11 It Speakes about another Jesus read gelation's 1 it speaks about another gospel. Jesus said if you do not believe that I Am that I Am you will die in your sins and go to hell John 8:24. There's one God in three persons. The holy spirit is God as well. Read Acts 3:4-5. In revelation 1:8 Jesus is called the Almighty.
Actually the OT reads Hear Ol Israel Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. It's as simple as that, their God is Jehovah and he is one Jehovah not three persons but one person.
The title is poor. STAFFORD still ends up with TWO true Gods. His position is arianism. He was a JW at the time. Not oneness. In the full debate he admits to worshipping a creature, Jesus, a second lesser god in his eyes.
Jesus is a divine creature, so he is a god by nature. But he was created by, and submits to, God the Father whose name is Jehovah. He is the highest being in existence.
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Oneness tv channel, please tell the Biblically ignorant Greg Stafford the reason why Jesus said the Father is the only true God, is, Although Jesus is God 2nd person singular who is with God the Father, 1st person singular,He emptied Himself of His Godly attributes and took the form of a servant, a man. Phil 2: 6--7. He didn't do one healing or miracle as God, He operated as the Son of man. That's why He said things like the Father is greater than Him, and the Father is the only true God. Greg Stafford won't believe Jn 17: 5, Jesus was glorified WITH the Father before the world was. Two distinct persons.
So 2:41 Greg said "I ASSUME there's one category of true 2:43 God and I ASSUME there's one person in 2:44 that category of the Father" Then at 3:32 Greg says "I'm sorry I'm NOT ASSUMING any such 3:34 thing I'm just ASSUMING that Jesus was 3:36 meant what He said" So Greg Stafford is making assumptions even though he claims that he is not. John 17:3 easily shows that "only" must be used in proper context and that the trinity is true.
The only thing you missed is that Greg Stafford also added: "That's what Jesus said, do you agree with it?" Interestingly, you failed to add that to your out-of-context quotation. The reason for that is simple: because you know that Jesus really did say that the only true God is the Father, in John 17:3. Yet, you can't have that, because the only true God for you is not the Father, but the Trinity. Stop following traditions of men. It won't do you any good.
@@follow_the_way It excludes Jesus from being God in the same sense and category in which the Father is God. Otherwise, the word "only" loses its meaning completely.
So "God" is a nature and not the Father? The 3 persons alone are not this nature called God but it takes all 3 for there to be God? The Father alone is not the one and only true God?
I think the channel owner does not understand that Greg Stafford is a Jehovah's Witness. They DO NOT believe Jesus is God. This looks really bad for "apostolic" understanding of theology.
: They believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. They have no problem with viewing Jesus as the divine Son of God; a god, but this does not make him God Almighty or the one true God.
a powerful testimony of a born again believer who died and came back to life, Jesus showed her heaven and hell, when she was in hell with Jesus she saw many people including celebrities bob Marley, hindus, budhists, a preacher and Muammar Ghaddafi, she asked Jesus why this preacher is in hell, Jesus said he denied my DIVINTY ( deity ). at the gates of heaven she heard this angel saying referring to Jesus " this is the God who created heaven and earth the Alpha and the Omega the first and the last "
there are SO MANY return from death experiences in the last 15 years, people from various backgrounds including born again christians. the WONDER of it all is that it shows that the Afterlife or the realm that the human spirit enters, is a PLURALITY, a MULTIVERSE. there is NO SINGLE GOVERNING POWER that will take every human spirit to a certain exact absolute realm according to one religion. fundamentalist christians think that a NON-christian who died will either be taken away by demons or taken by angels to a specific place for NON-believers. but the testimony of many NON-christians who experienced return from death show that it is NOT so.
The trinity is polytheistic. No matter how you wrap it, 3 persons are not 1 God. you can call it a mystery all you'd like but the apostles knew and therefor baptized in Jesus name only. They knew he was God manifested in flesh not a different person. Not 1 person baptized in 3 names.
John 1, Colossians 1, Hebrews 1, Revelation 1 all prove the deity of Christ. Scripture is clear on the doctrine of the Trinity. It has been well established for almost 2000 years and is consistent with proper exegesis of the Old and New Testaments.
Show me anywhere in the Bible where Jesus said I am GOD. In fact God himself in his own words says Jesus is his Son (not a God) are you saying God is lying? Jesus Christ is either a son of God or God himself but cannot be both. The scriptures says "There is no one like our Lord and there is none besides him" yet you are saying there are others like our God? which is it? Show me anywhere in the Bible where the disciples of Jesus preached that God is 3 in 1? None. Just quote the verses
@@HenryCoule you have a hypocritical standard. Show me in the Quran where the shahada is spelled out or where it says to pray 5 times a day. Stop with the nonsense demands. Jesus claimed to be God and backed up His claims with His miracles. Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, the third person of the one eternal Triune God. Who is the truth? God. Who gives life? God Jesus claimed to be the truth and giver of eternal life. John 14:6 I am the way, the truth, and the life. Noone comes to the Father except through me. John 17:1-5 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. Who is able to forgive sins? Only God. Yet Jesus forgave sins. Mark 2:5-7 - And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” Now some of the scribes were sitting there, questioning in their hearts, “Why does this man speak like that? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?” Luke 5:22-25 - When Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answered them, “Why do you question in your hearts? Which is easier, to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Rise and walk’? But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins“-he said to the man who was paralyzed-”I say to you, rise, pick up your bed and go home.” And immediately he rose up before them and picked up what he had been lying on and went home, glorifying God. Who alone should receive worship? God. Yet Jesus received worship. Matthew 2:11 11 And going into the house, they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh. Matthew 14:33 33 And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.” Matthew 28:9 9 And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him. John 20:28 28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” Who does God share His glory with? Noone. Yet Jesus shares God's glory. Isaiah 42:8,11 - I am the Lord; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols. For my own sake, for my own sake, I do it, for how should my name be profaned? My glory I will not give to another John 17:5 - And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. John 17:24 2 Peter 3:18 Who is the first and the last? God. Yet Jesus calls Himself the first and the last. Revelation 1:8 - “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Isaiah 44:6 - Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god. Revelation 1:17-18 - When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades. Revelation 2:8 - “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life. Revelation 22:12-13 - “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end Who has the power to create? Only God. Yet Jesus is the creator. John 1:3 - All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:10 - He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. Who has the power to judge? God. Yet Jesus proclaimed He is the judge. John 5:22 - The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son Jesus said He and God are one and perform the exact same actions. John 5:19 - So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise John 10:30-38 - [Jesus answered them] I and the Father are one.” The Jews picked up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?” The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.” Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’? If he called them gods to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be broken-do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me; but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.” John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves. Jesus said He is the son of Man. The son of Man possesses divine attributes Daniel 7:13-14
@@HenryCoule the Trinity is found all throughout the Bible. Just because you purposefully misrepresent what the Bible says or reject it out of ignorance doesn't mean it's not there. You Muslims believe in a false God. For example, Leviticus 17:11 says blood is REQUIRED for atonement of sins. Allah, the false moon god, does not require blood. He punishes Jews and Christians for the sins of Muslims. Likewise, the God of the Bible is called Father throughout the old and New testament. Allah, the false god, is not a father to anyone. Genesis 1 let us (Elohim, plural noun) make man in OUR image Genesis 11 let US (Elohim, plural noun) go down and confuse their languages Genesis 19 the Lord called Fire from the Lord out of heaven Psalm 2:7 the Lord has a Son Isaiah 6 God speaking, and says Who shall go for US (Elohim, plural noun) Isaiah 48 the son speaking, references the Father and Spirit Isaiah 61 the son speaking, references the Father and Spirit (Luke 4:14-19 confirms this) Matthew 3 Jesus' baptism, Son Father and Spirit are all present Matthew 28 the great commission, the Son, Father, and Spirit all referenced John 14:16-17 Jesus says the Father will send the Holy Spirit to believers Hebrews 1 The Lord and Jesus are both revealed as God 2 Corinthians 13:14 Father, Son, and Spirit are referenced
“who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own advantage. Instead He emptied Himself by assuming the form of a slave, taking on the likeness of men. And when He had come as a man in His external form, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death - even to death on a cross.” Philippians 2:6-8 Here’s just one text that completely refutes unitarianism . It says He existed in the form of God. Aka HE IS GOD. But He humbled himself and prepared a human body for Himself to serve His people and die on the cross in their place as the perfect redeeming sacrifice.
He has hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and revealed them to babes. You need to let the Bible speak for itself and not impose your own viewpoint on it. White accuses Greg of assuming a Unitarian viewpoint when all he is doing is reading a verse that is self explanatory and in harmony with the entirety of the Bible. Deut 6:4 Hear O Israel Jehovah your God is One Jehovah. Simple straightforward. 1Cor 11:3 - This verse DEALS DIRECTLY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY with the question of relative authority and was written when Jesus was back in heaven: But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ;c in turn, the head of a woman is the man;d in turn, the head of the Christ is God. So clear and simple , why dilute the word of God ad make it confusing and contradictory? Does a woman have someone with authority over her. YES. Does the man ? YES. Does Jesus YES!!! Can he be God then? A person with a simple child like disposition can answer this question ...so called learned men cannot. As Jesus said would be the case. At John 20:17 he said to Mary Magdalene: “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God." Simple and clear.Jesus after being resurrected in the spirit HAS a GOD in the same way as Mary Magdalene At 2 Corinthians 1:3 the apostle Paul confirms this relationship: “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Since Jesus had a God, his Father, he could not at the same time be that God. Simple . Any one can understand this. For us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things . . . and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things.” -1 Corinthians 8:6, RS, Catholic edition. Simple and straightforward and entirely in agreement with John 17:3 Note the first words of the last book of the Bible: “The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him.” (Revelation 1:1, RS, Catholic edition) If Jesus himself were part of a Godhead, would he have to be given a revelation by another part of the Godhead-God? Surely he would have known all about it, for God knew. But Jesus did not know, for he was not God. This is SIMPLE easy to understand. When Jesus was about to die, he showed who his superior was by praying: “Father, if you wish, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.” (Luke 22:42) To whom was he praying? To a part of himself? No, he was praying to someone entirely separate, his Father, God, whose will was superior and could be different from his own, the only One able to “remove this cup.” Simple.... I think you know the rest. Long into an eternal future Jesus Christ retains a position of subordination and subjection to the Father. 1 Cor 15:24 Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his GOD AND FATHER, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power.e 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing.g 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.”h But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also SUBJECT HIMSELF himself to the One who subjected all things to him, so that God may be all things to everyone. Can you see how plain and simple the truth here is ..? trinitarians cannot comprehend the basic verses that CLEARLY refer to the Sons position in relation to HIS GOD and HIS FATHER.. The trinity makes the simple truths about the Father and Son and turns them into a absurdity, a mystery that no one can even begin to comprehend. This kind of subversion of the truth was foretold clearly . 2 Tim 4:3 For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching,h but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled.i 4 They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories. No one who picks up the Bible and reads it from Genesis to Revelation or even from Matthew to Revelation would come away believing that God is a 3 in 1 person or is it 1 God in 3 persons.or is it ...........Unless they come with an a priori commitment to a false doctrine with it's roots deep in pagan concepts that predate Christianity (look up pagan triads of gods from ancient Egypt, Babylon etc) If then a blind man leads a blind man both will fall into a pit....don't be lead by the blind..read the scriptures as they are meant to be read ..without contradicting the entirety of the inspired word of God.
Paul also placed one person in the category of True God and that True God has a Son. 'For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the LIVING AND TRUE GOD; and to wait FOR HIS SON from heaven, whom HE RAISED FROM THE DEAD, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.' - 1 Thess 1:9-10 The Father is the only true God and Jesus is the Son of the only true God. It's not difficult to understand: God is the Father of Christ. Christ is the Son of God. Therefore, Jesus is not the One God but He's the Son of the One God.
John 6:38 The eternal Son descends from Heaven sent by the Father... Unitarians were condemned as heretics at the Nicea council 325 A.D and 200 years later again at the calcedonian Council where the two nature's of the eternal Son were re-affirmed.
@@AnthonyY55 Well Jesus said the only true God is the Father and the father is not Triune but one person. Question: Is the God of Jesus Triune or a trinity?
Truth is the trinitarian doctrine just makes no sense in light of the whole of scripture not when you study it from Genesis to Revelation it makes no sense what people don't realize is that God is simply a spirit who born himself a body a son to dwell in and walk him reveal his person in Jesus was both God and man or really Father and son in one at the same time one. God I don't know why that's so hard for people to understand but I think it seems to a lot of a lot of trinitarians really do get stumped and they can't prove their position
The Father is the only True God*! The Son is the only True God*! The Spirit is the only True God*! *according to the essence A piece of cake with the additional benefit that unlocks the whole Bible! What kind of "one person" is this God that has a Son! If God is one person then it is a scam to say God is a literal Father. The Son is as much God as the Father. Have you seen a lion cub beeing less lion, or a human son being less human!
What Mr. Greg Stafford fails to understand in John 17:3 is the subordination among the persons of the Trinity. One of the clues to understanding this form of subordination of the Son to the Father is seen in John 20: John 20:17 - Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’” While there is a unique relationship that Jesus has with the Father that is distinct from our relationship that we have with the Father, there is a similarity as well. Here, Jesus calls them “brothers,” that is, Jesus, who is Yahweh, became a man (cf. John 1:1, 14, Philippians 2:6-8) and born under the law (Galatians 4:4) *so that He might know the Father as His God in the same way that His children know the Father as their God.* As a man, and as man’s representative (Son of Man), Jesus’ person was dependent on the Father and, like us, looked to the Father for strength, guidance, wisdom, etc. Therefore, God the Father was the God of Jesus. The Father is the God of the Son, but that doesn’t imply inferiority, only a difference in roles. So Jesus, having two natures, submits to the Father in all aspects regarding His human nature (John 5:30) so that He might fulfill His role as the perfect substitute in the divine act of redemption. Not only this, but if Stafford wishes to maintain his incorrect narrative of uniformitarianism, then he must isolate this passage from the rest of scripture and ignore everything else that the scripture has to say about the divinity of the Son and the Spirit. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2, Deuteronomy 32:6; Isaiah 63:16, 64:8, Malachi 2:10). The Messenger/Angel of the LORD, Word, Son of God, Son of Man, Jesus is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20, Genesis 16:7-14, 21:17-18, 22:9-18, 28:10-22, 31:11-13, 32:22-32, Hosea 12:3-4, Exodus 3, 13:21, 14:19, 23:20-22; Numbers 22:21-41; Judges 2:1-5, 6:7-24, 13:3-22, 2 Samuel 24:16; Psalm 2, 110:1, Isaiah 7:14, 9:6, 63:9; Jeremiah 23:5-6; Proverbs 30:4; Zechariah 1:10-11, 12:8; Malachi 3:1, Daniel 7:13-14/Mark 16:42) The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16, Nehemiah 9:20; Job 26:13, 33:4; Psalm 104:30, 106:32-33, 139:1-24, 143:10; 2 Samuel 23:1-3; Isaiah 11:2, 40:13; Ezekiel 11:5; Micah 2:7).
@@lawrencestanley8989 1. God is all mighty, subordinate to nothing. 2. Jesus said the Father was greater than him and that he was subordinate to his Father. 3. Jesus is not God
@@lawrencestanley8989 You didn't address the problem I raised, but I will address yours. Mark 2, Matthew 9, Luke 5... These instances of Jesus “forgiving” sins is not a proof text for the truth of christianity, but are actually demonstrations of the literary techniques employed by the authors of the gospels. The authors portray Jesus as simply taking the prerogative of the priests who were also able to forgive sins… not that they were forgiving sins themselves but in the name of God (Leviticus 4:20, 5:13). 2 Samuel 12:13 Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” Nathan replied, “The Lord has taken away your sin. You are not going to die.” John 5:30 By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. It’s not hard to see that the authors of the NT wanted to portray Jesus as a priest/prophet with ultimate prerogative to do God's will in the world, including forgiving sins. That is to say, he was NOT God.
Greg showed his own destruction by refusing to address the Whole prayer. Take one verse and insert your presuppositions and then run away or don't touch anything surrounding that verse. John 17:5 Jesus shares the same glory of the Father before the World was. According Isaiah 42:8 Makes it clear God shares His glory with no one else. 3 persons 1 being, recognize the category difference. Stop chopping up scripture and just accept the Bible when it talks about the persons of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit and when it concludes that they all share the position, glory, being of God. Trinitarians not tritheism.
Boggles my mind that Mr. Stafford would base his doctrine of the nature of God exclusively on John 17:3 and refuse to accept any other verse as also contributing to a correct understanding of the nature of God.
@Dave1525 Dave1525 just because Christ refers to the father as the one and only true God, does not mean he denies that he is God, Stafford’s reasoning is incredibly flawed, there are many points in scripture where the father is referred to as God not the only true God, and Christ is referred to as the Lord and Savior and so is God the father.
@@pleaseenteraname1103 U didn't watch the whole debate because Greg does address such instances but when it comes to John 17 v 3 we all know that the only true God is the father and not Jesus.
White did not get "destroyed"... lol. If you only take one verse and scratch out the rest of Scripture, sure, you can make it mean anything you want. Exactly why he didn't want to answer White's points.
In John 17, Jesus was praying to God the Father for his disciples, and on behalf of his disciples, not just those present, but everyone in the future. Obviously the perspective of this prayer is for all of us today. And the sentence of John 17:3 is the one that Paul reiterated in 1 Corinthians 8:6, and Jesus himself repeated in Revelation 3:12 Is it really that difficult to understand that our Father, Jehovah, is the only Sublime and Supreme God? Only one person? Yes, if the trinitarian tradition prevents it! And obviously prevents!
@@follow_the_way John 17:3, the sentence is not ambiguous, nor is the philosophical context, unless the reader wants it to be. So, "only" here emphasizes not a simple uniqueness, but a superior uniqueness in the person of the Father, as the Only True God. It is a pragmatic exclusivity, and that is defined by the proximate context and the whole biblical context. Do you want some biblical examples of that?
@@follow_the_way What other meaning can the word "Only" have (Greek: μόνον; Monon, monos) when it identifies only the person of the Father as the only God? "Only", (Greek: μόνον; Monon, monos) is by any chance a polysemic word? The word μόνον means "only, solitary, desolate". What other meanings does it apply to you in the Scriptures? Can you said to me, so we can analyse the context?
Just because Greg Stafford refuses to understand and continues to be stubborn doesn't make him right. If one of the persons of God is referred to as God, it doesn't automatically mean the others are not. For example, when Jesus is called "my Lord and my God" John 20:28, doesn't mean the Father is no longer considered God. This is the importance of the definition of Trinity. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is God.
Non Orthodox and non Roman Catholic have a bone to pick about the Trinity. It is simply hatred and a lack of understanding, not Biblical understanding. Aren't we baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit? What does that mean?
Gregg Stafford is showing his ignorance of the Bible. he takes Jn 17: 3 out of context with the whole Bible. Which clearly teaches the trinity. Gregg Stafford won't debate with me because he knows that I will prove him wrong. Let me answer his question on Jn 17: 3, and I will show him the Biblical truths.
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LOL...the JW won the debate for me.
Nope
@@rodolforusca3271 yes lol the trinitarian couldnt do anything other than keep accusing the unitarians was using "unitarian assumption" lol what?,even atheists were using this kind of argument and they make sense of it,no need for unitarian assumption lol
@@ManlyServant no such thing as unitarian the oneness position is either different from this argument but strongly I disagree on JW position , James Bernard would be better have an argument on this matter.
Trinity people are confusing
nope. Reading only 1 text to support a false claim? that's a very weak argument. Jesus was the one who Prophet Isaiah prophesied in Isaiah 40:3, which was fulfilled in John the baptist. He prepared the way for God, who was Jesus Christ, the Word of God, who was God, who became flesh and dwelt among us in verse 14.
LOL.... White is sooooo mistaken. I've watched the whole video on dvd and Greg totally dominates this debate... even here, Greg makes much more sense.
White doesn’t seem to understand that Christ said ‘you’ that is second person therefore refers to the listener not speaker.
He then says only (monos in Greek) which means ‘alone, one or only’. That means the person Christ was speaking to is the true God with exclusion to anyone else.
If therefore Christ is true God, James would need to concede that Christ either misspoke or lied.
For example if I said ‘DNA is the only molecule for protein synthesis’, that is wrong. It is irrelevant to the validity of that statement that DNA is integral to protein synthesis, the statement is wrong. This is because I said ‘only’ that excludes all other essential molecules
The same is true for the trinity, this was not Jesus stating the necessity of The Father in salvation, it was Christ excluding all other persons as the ‘True God’ including himself. So as the brother tried to help James understand if Jesus is god in some way he is not ‘The Only True God’
Clearly you're not paying attention lol. Have you heard of John 1:1 ?
😂 are u serious !!!!!
Answer the question 😂 is the true god the father?
The spirit can be called the only God as well because, listen up, God exists in 3 persons of a tri-une God. 3 persons 1 God. Remove your JW blinkers and look at the text.
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age (Matthew 28:18-20).
The holy ghost fathered Jesus Matthew 1:18 KJV child of the Holy Ghost 👻
@bryanjohn6968 I believe there are two separate Gods
@bryanjohn6968 water and dust
@bryanjohn6968 water and dust Genesis 2:6,7 KJV
@bryanjohn6968 and water
James cannot answer a direct question.
"If the Father is the only true God, then what kind of God is Jesus?"
Of course, a trinitarian cannot answer this directly.
Jehovahs Witnesses believe in 2 gods. Trinitarians believe in 1 god in 3 persons. I don't get it, why was James White so confused? He could have turned that question right around at Mr. Stafford:
We believe in only 1 true God in 3 persons. But you believe, that the word was "a god." So what kind of god was the word, if it was not the only true God?
@@DominikKoppensteiner your litterally following the statement: "if you can't convince them confuse them"
@@mohamedYasser-yc6xj No. "The Father is the only true God" is perfectly fine with the Trinity. The Trinity means, that there is only one true God in 3 persons (Father, Son and Spirit).
Tritheism would be 3 true Gods, but Christians don't believe in 3 gods.
Mr. Stafford believes, that there are 2 true gods or 1 true god (the father only) and 1 false god (Jesus).
The Father being the only true God, can only mean that only the Father is God. How can the trinity be harmonized with this?
@dgreenja one being of God, 3 persons. All co eternal coequal. Water can be liquid ice and vapor, it's all still water.
James White is a false teacher. He likes to make things very complicated
There is no book that I know of that is more complicated than the Holy Bible. You do know that Jesus let us know in many places in the Bible that he is God. John says that all things were created by Jesus. What does that mean?
@@thomaswayneward it's complicated for those who use a rational mind, and read it without the holy Spirit involved
@@Mike34006 You are speaking about yourself?
@@thomaswayneward no, Paul said it before me
1 Corinthians 2:14
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit
James White is a GNOSTIC.
I can really feel James White's awkwardness in this situation.
Jehovah is true God
Can the word "only" in John 17:3 have more than one meaning depending on context or not?
@@follow_the_way yes.
No.
@@pleaseenteraname1103 You seem confused.
@@follow_the_way oh OK I’m sorry I didn’t misunderstand you. When you mean can I have a different meeting depending on context, I thought you meant that in a different way.
Gradually Christianity is coming round to overthrow the falsehood of the trinity doctrine because Christians can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.
What Dr. James White is actually doing, is to interpret the term "only true God" to be "only true nature". He doesn't associate the term "only true God" with the person, but with the being.
When faced with a question as this one, trinitarians always say that oneness are assuming that that God is one person or some response as of what Dr. James White said.
Not sure how I ran into this on my feed, but this his hardly being "destroyed". It's an odd place to be for sure.
Verse 5 does not necessitate coequality of another divine person. Matter of fact it doesn't even hint at it. Glory doesn't necessitate divine person at all but is set apart for the divine purpose of God which he is the source/author. Which can include anyone according to God's plan of which he ultimately recieves glory as the source.
John 6:38 The eternal Son descends from Heaven sent by the Father...
Unitarians were condemned as heretics at the Nicea council 325 A.D and 200 years later again at the calcedonian Council where the two nature's of the eternal Son were re-affirmed.
@thefuentes1987 that is your assertion and I am not Unitarian. Also I don't care what a council of men decreed.
Jesus was the lamb slain before the foundation of the world but he wasn't actually slain till 33 AD. To glorify the Son was always in the mind and plan of God just like those "in Christ" were in HIM before the foundation of the world.
I’d like to see him debate James white on the topic: “is the Holy Spirit a person, or force?”
The trinity defines 3 persons, one God.
But which of these really was the Father of Jesus here on earth?
Because with the glasses of the trinity, I see in Matthew 1:18 that it was the person of the Holy Spirit who impregnated Mary!
Now, wouldn't that make the Father of Jesus, not the first person of the trinity, but the third?
Hmmmm....
Greg Stafford does not have a fixed position on this matter. You assume that he believes that the Holy Spirit is not a person. He does not necessarily. He accepts the possibility of both.
What do you mean Force, it’s part of God’s divine nature and is a separate person.
Why? The Holy Spirit is a person. The 3rd person of the Triune God.
@@joshhigdon4951 yes, I know the HS is a person. But there are people who do not believe it….
God is not a trinity And he’s not part of oneness! Nor socinian
The Father is generally called God in a nominal sense since He eternally generates the Son, who is of the same essence & substance as the Father ontologically.
So, either God the Father is the only true God or he's not. Which is it?
@@Post-Trib The Father is the only uncaused cause who eternally caused the Son & Spirit, so in that sense He is the only true God. But since the Son & Spirit are of the Father's on being & essence, they are 'God' in the predicative sense.
@@InfinitelyManic got actual scripture that quotes this?
Who coined the word trinitas or trinity and who formulated the doctrine of the trinity?
@@Post-Trib [got actual scripture that quotes this?] -- The Bible does not expressly provide every word I mentioned just like the Bible does not expressly say what the 'Bible' is.
[Who coined the word trinitas or trinity ] -- Why is that trivia important to know? Nonetheless, it may have been Tertullian.
[who formulated the doctrine of the trinity] -- The Church, same for establishing the canon of the NT.
@@InfinitelyManic if it's not explicitly mentioned by God or his people or any of the apostles and prophets then it's not true. It's not good doctrine.
The trinity is pagan and man-made
Only oneness wants to destroy others and be proud of that fact and put that as the title of a video.
Not necessarily the doctrine, but the individual.
Catholicism is incorrect, but some Catholics can be Christ's chosen and more holy than myself and humbled in Christ.
Modalistic Monarchianism is the only correct definition with Jesus being God, the Father and the Holy spirit. He manifested as all of them at the same time. He's God! He can. There are not 3 gods (which every religion on earth denies God would come to earth like the trinity denies the Father could come to earth).
You're absolutely correct. Greg and the JWs are a cult and Oness reject Trinity so bad that you would side with a cult
Nope
There is only one true God.
Sad part is that trinitarians today don’t realize their doctrine has been changing throughout its existence to correct the flaws. The original trinitarian doctrine was not what it is today.
The knowledge of God has advanced throughout the OT and the NT and after the NT was written. God doesn't stand still with his people and is showing us new vistas all the time.
The Church did not get frozen at the time the book of acts ended. The Holy Spirit is with us to teach us. But any new teaching cannot disagree with the old teachings.
@@thomaswayneward Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
The doctrine of Jesus doesnt change.
@@revamp6612 Did I say Jesus changed? For people like you it is impossible for you to ever get to the truth. Jesus is always showing his truth through the Holy Spirit, or did the Holy Spirit die after Acts was written?
@@thomaswayneward Be not carried about with divers (of various sorts)
and strange (foreign) doctrines.
Do you understand what is being said??? Unfamiliar! a doctrine that changes is not familiar it is unfamiliar. Over time the trinity has had various sorts of doctrine because it has changed over time. Think about it. Jesus is always showing his truth. The thing is that truth does not change. We shall know the truth and the truth will set us free. It’s not we will eventually get the truth right. We already have truth. People like me know the truth.
This actually makes Greg fall right on his face with this question, as claiming Yeshua is some different type of god would make Him not a true god but a false god like the judges.
JW's and Unitarianism is what happens when you get to re-write the bible as you see fit.
This heresy was defeated back with Irenaeus. Unfortunately, heretics are very persistent and here we are 2000 years later dealing with the same heresies.
What? Quite a lot of Church fathers affirmed Jesus was created. You act like Unitarianism is a protestant invention.
@@BornAgainEnglishmanKJV If you read my comment, I indicate that we have been refuting this heresy since the 1st century. So no I don't believe nor claimed it's a protestant invention, its simply a recurrence of the same heresy. Unfortunately common occurrence under Protestantism because they all get to invent their own interpretation of scripture.
Secondly, please cite a *single* "Church Father" that supported Unitarianism? The closest you will get is Arius an Egyptian presbyter which was NOT a Church Father and was rebuked and condemned *by the Church*
@@PatrickInCayman - Justin: “There is said to be, __**another God**__ and Lord subject to the Maker of all things” - Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, chapter LVI (56)
- Irenaeus: **“[Christ] commanded that one **__BEING__** should be called Father”** - Irenaeus, Against Heresies IV.1.2, p. 463
- Tertullian: “The very Wisdom of God is declared to be **born and created**, for the especial reason that we should not suppose **__that there is any other BEING than God [the Father] alone__** who is ***unbegotten* and *uncreated***.” - Tertullian, Against Hermogenes, Chapter 18
- Hippolytus: “the Father is one God, the first and only One, the Maker and Lord of all. He had nothing co-eval [of equal age] with him… But he was One, alone by himself, who, willing it, __called into being what had no being before__…[God, via the Logos] formed the ruler of all [creation, i.e. Adam]… The Creator did not wish to make him a god, and failed in His aim; nor an angel… but a man. __For if He had willed to _*_**make**_*_ [Adam]… _*_*a god**, He could have done so. **Thou has the example of the Logos*_*___ - Hippolytus, Against All Heresies, book 10, c28,29
- Origen: “The God and Father, who holds the universe together, is superior to every __**being**__ that exists, for he imparts to each one from his own existence that which each one is; the Son, __**being less than the Father**__ is superior to rational creatures alone” - On First Principles 1.3
@@BornAgainEnglishmanKJV dude, you totally misunderstand those quotes. If you read their writings as a whole, they do not affirm unitarianism or that Jesus was created.
Justin Martyr: “Permit me, further, to show you from the book of Exodus how this same One, who is both Angel, and God, and Lord, and man…”
“But this Offspring, which was truly brought forth from the Father, was with the Father before all the creatures, and the Father communed with Him” Justin is not using _offspring_ in the sense Jesus was created.
Justin goes on to explain "“God begat before all creatures a Beginning, [who was] a certain rational power [proceeding] from Himself, who is called by the Holy Spirit, now the Glory of the Lord, now the Son, again Wisdom, again an Angel, then God, and then Lord and Λόγος”
"“For [Jesus] can be called by all those names, since He ministers to the Father’s will, and since He was begotten of the Father by an act of will; just as we see happening among ourselves: for when we give out some word, we beget the word; yet not by abscission, so as to lessen the word in us, when we give it out " Justin is using an analogy between human and divine words and how they are expressed and applies this to the Godhead and how that Logos is indeed God.
"The Father of the universe has a Son, who also being the first begotten Word of God, is even God." (Justin Martyr, First Apology, ch 63) I won't belabor the point as I can quote numerous quotes from St. Justin to show he was no friend to unitarians.
Iranaeus:
180 AD Irenaeus "...so that He indeed who made all things can alone, *together with His Word, properly be termed God and Lord: but the things which have been made cannot have this term applied to them,* neither should they justly assume that appellation which belongs to the Creator." - Against Heresies, Book III, ch. 8, section 3.
180 AD Irenaeus *"But the Son, eternally co-existing with the Father, from of old, yea, from the beginning,* always reveals the Father to Angels, Archangels, Powers, Virtues..." (Against Heresies, Book II, ch. 30, section 9)
180 AD Irenaeus "Christ Himself, therefore, together with the Father, is the God of the living, who spake to Moses, and who was also manifested to the fathers." (Against Heresies, Book IV, ch. 5, section 2)
Tertullian:
200 AD Tertullian *"Never did any angel descend* for the purpose of being crucified, of tasting death, and of rising again from the dead." (The Flesh of Christ, ch 6)
200 AD Tertullian "All the Scriptures give clear proof of the Trinity, and it is from these that our principle is deduced...the distinction of the Trinity is quite clearly displayed." (Against Praxeas, ch 11)
200 AD Tertullian "The origins of both his substances display him as man and as God: from the one, born, and from the other, not born" (The Flesh of Christ, 5:6-7).
200 AD Tertullian "[God speaks in the plural 'Let us make man in our image'] because already there was attached to Him his Son, a second person, his own Word, and a third, the Spirit in the Word....one substance in three coherent persons. He was at once the Father, the Son, and the Spirit." (Against Praxeas, ch 12)
200 AD Tertullian "There is one only God, but under the following dispensation, or oikonomia, as it is called, that this one only God has also a Son, His Word, who proceeded from Himself, by whom all things were made, and without whom nothing was made. Him we believe to have been sent by the Father into the Virgin, and to have been born of her - being both Man and God, the Son of Man and the Son of God, and to have been called by the name of Jesus Christ; we believe Him to have suffered, died, and been buried, according to the Scriptures, and, after He had been raised again by the Father and taken back to heaven, to be sitting at the right hand of the Father, and that He will come to judge the quick and the dead; who sent also from heaven from the Father, according to His own promise, the Holy Ghost, the Paraclete, the sanctifier of the faith of those who believe in the Father, and in the Son, and in the Holy Ghost. That this rule of faith has come down to us from the beginning of the gospel, even before any of the older heretics." (Against Praxeas, ch 2)
The quotes are pretty much endless against the idea of unitarianism.
Irenaeus said only the Father is the one true God
If you watch the whole debate you wouldn't conclude what the title says. Trying to force someone to agree with your eisigesis isn't destroying someone. It's actually pretty embarrassing as a debater.
@servantofJesusChrist470how some people can defend a doctrine that was not clearly defined until the council of Nicaea, and then require it as a part of Christian orthodoxy is beyond me. Follow men if you insist, but we will follow the Lord Jesus Christ and His word.
No.. He really roasted him..
@@BarnabasBarnabas-uw4edWho roasted who?
@@Liam-r9k
Stafford
Its clear that Dr. White was annoyed because he didn't know how to respond
Well if J-sus was a trinitarian, why didn't He mention in that verse the Holy Spirit as well ? He did not mention the Spirit as the True God.
The Holy spirit is God brother read Acts Ch 3:4-5.
@@JoshCore01if H.S is God then why apostles has not addressed Holy spirit in the epistles. They address's 2 persons only.
@vtino4825
The religious historian and philosopher Han-Joachim Schoeps says: “Here is a paradox of world-historical proportions: Jewish Christianity indeed disappeared within the Christian church, but was PRESERVED in Islam.”
(Caps mine)
One of the names of The Q-ur-an is The Reminder. God Almighty in His FINAL Testament calls the people of the previous scriptures BACK to the straight path - the path which they have abandoned / forgotten / c0rrupted / no knowledge of.
Jesus of the Bible preached and practiced:
1) Who is THE ONLY TRUE GOD?
✅ The Father
(John 17:3)
2) Who is the God of Jesus?
✅ The Father
(John 20:17)
3) Who alone to be worshipped as God?
✅ The Father
(John 4:21)
4) Whose name be hallowed?
✅ The Father
(The Lord's prayer)
5) Whose kingdom come?
✅ The Father
(The Lord's prayer)
6) Whose will be done on earth as it is in heaven?
✅ The Father
(The Lord's prayer)
7) Whom to ask for daily bread?
✅ The Father
(The Lord's prayer)
8) Whom to ask for forgiveness?
✅ The Father
(The Lord's prayer)
9) Whom to pray to for guidance?
✅ The Father
(The Lord's prayer)
10) Who delivers from the e-v-i-l one?
✅ The Father
(The Lord's prayer)
Of course the term "The Father" in the J_ew_ish context. It's nothing more than a term of endearment. Christianity because of its adoption of p-a-g-a-n-i-s-m, gave God a literal Son and later made him into "God".
What term Jesus used to call his God isn't as important as the identity of that God. It's dishonesty and desperation which makes the Christians deflect even though in the language of Jesus, he called his God Elaha / Alaha.
Aramaic - Elaha
Arabic - Allah
Same God. The Jews also acknowledge that the Muslims worship the God of Abraham. They rightly categorize Christianity as P0lyth31sm / Id0l1tary / p-a-g-a-n-i-s-m.
The Trinitarian Christian FAITH made L-1-A-R-S of both Jesus as well as The Father. Then they have the nerve to say to the Muslims, hey "Jesus called God" Father" and Allah is not a father to anyone, haha.
The Christians needs to FIRST rem-ove the pl-an-k from their o-w-n e-y-e.
Why didnt Jesus mention the Holy Spirit as the only true God also.
It did Acts 3:4-5
@@JoshCore01Where??? 🤔🤔🤔
@@jjog3185 i miss read your comment God is a Trinity
@@JoshCore01 Huh??? 🤔
The answer in islam because the holy spirit is the angel gabriel.
A verse in the bible confirms it when jesus said no one knows the hour not the son nor the angels only the father jesus didnt mention the holy spirit because he is among angels.
James White was unneccessarily puzzled.
What Trinitarians believe:
There is only 1 true god in 3 persons, Jehovah.
What Jehovah's Witnesses believe:
There are 2 gods, one is the Father, the other is the Son - the word was a god.
Now, what does John 17:3 say? It says, the Father is the only true God. So how many true gods are there? The answer is 1. But Jehovahs Witnesses believe in 2 gods. So we Trinitarians, who believe in 1 true God in 3 persons ask Jehovahs Witnesses, who believe in 2 gods: What kind of god was Jesus, if there is only 1 true god?
Mr. Stafford was digging his own grave with that question, and James White completely missed the opportunity to push him into it (I mean that symbolically.)
Mr. Stafford was arguing against the existence of multiple gods. Firstly, Trinitarians don't believe in multiple gods, and secondly, Jehovah's Witnesses do believe in multiple gods, because they claim that the word was *a* god.
Basic Greek and even English grammar shows you, that the verse is not about how many persons there are in the Godhead, but how many gods there are, and Trinitarians believe in only 1 god. But Jehovah's Witnesses believe in 2.
They don't lol and you will never hear a JW say they believe in two gods. "A god" simply means that he has divine qualities like his father (aka thats what makes him a true son). But Jw's also believe he is michael so thats where it gets complicated / weird.
@@starwarsbunker I also believe, he is Michael, but that doesn't contradict the Trinity. I believe, the classic image of Michael the Archangel doesn't exist, but that "Michael" is just another name of Jesus like "Immanuel", and "Archangel" is either a title like "Son of Man" or Jude was quoting an apocryphal text to make a point, in which case Michael's true identity wouldn't matter. But Jesus is definitely not a created angel, just like the Angel of Yahweh is no created angel.
@@starwarsbunker Also, isn't it strange how they need to translate John 1:1 in a weird way and then build a whole philosophical construct around this translation in order to make some sense? They do the same thing in Hebrews 1:8, where God suddenly becomes the throne of Jesus, and probably a few other verses. Hebrews 9:16-17 also stopped making sense.
Wouldn’t Jesus in the flesh and as a Jewish man have only one true God? At the time that Jesus said this he had emptied himself of all his power and glory to become a servant. Please help me to understand.
Greg clearly doesn't like reading the rest of the Bible. Thats why arianism was denounced.
There is no contradiction in saying that the Father is the only and true God and Jesus is also the only and true God. They both are God and not two gods.
Judas said in the kjv Bible: i have betrayed the innocent blood .
Where is He who set His Holy Spirit among them, who sent His Glorious Arm of power to be at Moses right hand. Isaiah 63
Hey brother or sister who ever is the owner of this channel, I did my research and that guy Gregg Stafford is a Jehovah witness not oneness. He does not believe in Apostolic doctrine he believes Jesus is a god and not the God.
Yes.. Thank you brother .. the point is thatThe Trinity theologian Dr James White didn’t know how to answer the Question.. on (John 17:3)
We believe that Jesus is the manifestation of the Father or The one true God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is not the three separate person but three manifestation.. Thank you for supporting the Onenesstv Channel.. we do the best we can to spread the Apostolic oneness Doctrine..
@@onenesstvchannel7852 If you haven’t already you should check out the debate between James White and Roger Perkins. Trinity vs UPC Oneness!
Gregg Stafford teaches what the Bible is teaching. watch the entire debate, all his arguments about God is supported in the Bible, while the oneness claim is only forced interpretation.
@@vincecass-labs6818 true,they believed in a multi personality bipolar mentally ill cerberus hydra god DOGtrine LOL
@@vincecass-labs6818 Exactly
Jesus is God ,the only TRUE GOD. St John 4:24 God is a Spirit. The flesh of Jesus is not God. God cannot die.
when Jesus was on earth, he did not exist in the spirit realm. when Jesus died, he really die no part of him exist, until he was raise as a spirit by God in the third day. meaning, when Jesus was resurrected, he was given a spirit body. The ONLY TRUE God was his Father Jah(John 17:3)
@@vincecass-labs6818 hello. I’m curious, how do you explain the following?
After Jesus was raised before He ascended to the Father, He went to see His disciples and said:
Luke 24:39 “ see my hands in my feet, that it is myself. Touch me and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”
Here is what He told Thomas who didn’t believe it was Him. He was showing him his hands where the nails were placed and his side where the Roman soldier pierced him. So it was his body.
John 20:27 “put your fingers here , see my hands, and put out your hand, and place it in my side, do not disbelieve, but believe.”
Yes God can die. But only God can resurrect…
Acts 20:28 “Shepherd the church of God which he purchased with HIS own blood.”
the NWT is a false translation that puts: “purchased with the blood of his own son.”
Totally changes the message.
In English if you call someone a noun, in this instance God is the noun, then that person is a "something" in this instance the father is "A" God. For example "You are the only woman I know" then the woman is "A" woman. The father is a God. This implies other gods, but Jesus means all other gods are false, and the father is the only real or true god.
Another example: This the the only real dog I own, means I may have other plastic dogs, or look after other peoples real dogs, but this is the only real dog that I own.
I would imagine greek grammar is something similar, and so, we can conclude that Jesus means nobody else is a real God except the father. In order to include other persons, Jesus would have to have said "You are part of the only true God" but instead he gives us the impression that the father is "the only" true God and Jesus is his anointed (Christ) sent by the father, making him less than the father. People are so brainwashed they can't understand their own language anymore. If Jesus had made this staement about any other noun there would have been no argument.
It is a good exercise to look up the 45 times the word "monos" (only) occurs in the new testament, without exception "the only" person, group of persons, or thing is mentioned and, obviously, it is a word that excludes any other than the one mentioned.
I find it funny a Oneness UPCI is siding with a JW.
2 cultists agreeing who have 2 completely different beliefs on who Jesus is.
Biggest sin in Islam, is associating partner with God.
Cults favorite verse to deny the deity of Christ.
Dr White seems completely incapable of answering a question in a straightforward manner although he clearly does like listening to himself speak.
That's why he giggles and laughs with Doug Wilson. He thinks a guy who believes in baptismal regeneration is a brother joking in his debate but attacks these guys.
He did answer the question, numerous times. It's simply that the person debating and those that support him do not like the answer. Everyone likes their proof-texts and put it in isolation. If you take 2 Peter 3:9 in isolation, as an example, you come with up a completely different meaning than if take the chapter and the entire book in context. If you take all of scripture, that includes the old testament, the trinity becomes rather clear. We like to put God in a box reflects the nature of His creation. We are not God, we are not gods. The concept of an eternal being that can speak things into existence seems capable of putting himself inside a human so that he could live the sinless perfect lie that his creation can't. This then allows a holy God to put the punishment we deserve on His Son, so that when He see us He see the righteousness of God. Three persons, 1 being sure doesn't seem outside the nature of an holy, eternal, God.
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You sure? Ok, John 5:37
It will be okay, whether God is the oneness, or the trinity, he still loves you!
So, who coined the word trinitas or trinity and who formulated the doctrine of the trinity?
@wjdyr6261 who’s voice are they hearing in John 5:37?
@@waltercoleman624 I asked 1st. So answer my question and then I'll answer yours. 🙂
I don’t know who came up with the word trinity, and honestly, I don’t care. If you don’t want to use that word, don’t, but everything summarized in what we call the trinity is in the Bible. I guess your point is that because the word isn’t there, the scripture isn’t there to back up what it’s saying. Which is not a compelling argument, because where is the word ‘oneness’ in the Bible?
Now, whose voice are they hearing in John 5:37?
@@waltercoleman624 Deut 6:4 Hear, O, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.
Tertullian coined the term trinitas or trinity and formulated the doctrine of the trinity. It's the doctrine of demons. It's pagan and man-made
I never thought I would agree with James White on anything.
What happened to him? I think Calvinism destroyed his brain.
Unitarianism is a disgrace.
He doesn’t do many debates anymore because not many are brave enough to go against him on touchy subjects like this.
He mainly just does podcasts. I’m not a Calvinist, but I like what he’s debated in the past
Calvinism is just biblical , I encourage you to read your Bible without preconceived ideas. Let the text speak for its self. It teaches TULIP.
Total depravity of man in sin
Unconditional election
Limited atonement
Irresistible grace
Perseverance of the saints
The church was bought with Gods blood 😅
According to Acts 20:28 who purchased the church of God with blood?
Oneness tv channel, you have got it the wrong way round, because james white destroyed Greg Stafford. Greg is so dim that he couldn't understand the truth that James explained.
Greg Stafford won't debate with me because he knows that I will prove him wrong.
what is God:trinity
what is trinity?:3 person in one being
is the father trinity?:no he is member of trinity
then why Jesus says father is the ONLY True God: **babbles**
Because all 3 members of the Trinity are Jehovah, and Jehovah is the only true God.
The Father is the only true God, just as the Son is the only true God and the Spirit is the only true God, because all 3 of them are the same 1 true God. But Jehovah's Witnesses believe in 2 gods.
@@DominikKoppensteiner who is God:jehovah
what is the jehovah?:the personal name of the True God of abraham isaac and jacob or christianity,consists of three person,father son and holy spirit,the father is not the son,the son is not holy spirit
is the son jehovah?:yes but he is just 1 person of the 3
if thats what your presumption is,then why did Jesus says Father is the ONLY TRUE God?: **babbles in repeated arguments**
@@DominikKoppensteiner what is God:jehovah
what is the jehovah?:the personal name of the True God of abraham isaac and jacob or christianity,consists of three person,father son and holy spirit,the father is not the son,the son is not holy spirit
is the son jehovah?:yes but he is just 1 person of the 3
if thats what your presumption is,then why did Jesus says Father is the ONLY TRUE God?: **babbles in repeated arguments**
@@ManlyServant Please read the text carefully.
Have you ever looked at a trinity symbol, that says "the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit, the Spirit is not the Father, the Father is God, the Son is God, the Spirit is God"?
It is true that the Father is the only true God. That's because there is only 1 God. But it is false to say, that only the Father is God. Fortunately, John 17:3 does not say that.
Please read the text again in humility and pay attention to the grammar.
@@DominikKoppensteiner thanks for proving my point that you are babbling in repeated argument 😅
I think james white is awful but unitarians who is your rock? Saviour? Living waters? Shepherd?
We're not unitarians because that doctrine is just as wrong as trinitarian.
God the Father became his own Son. Jesus is the manifestation and personification of God the Father in human form
Say Rahab the true God is Jesus Mathew
The one on the left is not a good debater. You can't take one sentence in the Bible and base the entire bible on it. Jesus many times in the Bible says or insinuates that he is God, are we supposed to forget about those passages?
Well if one verse is as explicit as John 17,3 then maybe the other "implicit" verses do not say what trinitarians claim what they say.
@@DasWortwurdeFleisch You must have answered some other post. What you wrote doesn't make any sense about John 17: 3
You don't understand the argument he's making.
He definitely has not taken one verse & tried to explain the entire Bible.
He's literally trying to explain one verse alone.
Greg won that debate
Both Greg & James White hold erroneous beliefs on the subject due to deep seeded traditions of Rome, but yes Greg won that debate. Incontrovertibly.
@@AnHebrewChild what view do you hold to? You sound more like Adventist that is a break off of the Adventist Church.
Jesus is jehovah God son. That is it.
Yashaya and the Father is Ahayah
Boom! Trinity = nonsense.
Can the word "only" in John 17:3 have more than one meaning depending on context or not?
It can but it doesn’t. Trinity nonsense.
@@JKV84 What other meaning can the word "only" have?
Most often than not James White engages in theological babble 😂.
Just like Doug Wilson
What do you want Jesus to say he is the Only fake God? Is John 17:3 The beginning of the gospel of John? No, it's at the very end of the gospel of John so why would you jump to the very end and take that one verse out of context. John already told you in John 1:1 In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God, he Told you already from the very Beginning Of the gospel of john that Jesus is the word John 1:17 and the word was God. In John 8:58-59 Jesus said I AM Calling himself the IAM from Exodus Ch 3:14 and the Jews picked up stones to stone him to death because they knew exactly that he was claiming to be God. Jesus was telling the truth in John 17:3 but we need to comprehend it in spite of everything it said before john 17:3. Let's go to John 10:30 I and my Father are one. John 12:45 He that seeth me seeth him that sent me. Go to John 5:18 And Philippians 2:6-7 Jesus is equal with God. Jesus never said he wasn't in unity with the father he is. God is a trinity The father son and holy spirit make up the Godhead 1 Timothy Ch 3:16 God is a mystery. So, John and Jesus himself and the Jews John 5:18 already tells us before john 17:3 That Jesus is God so let's take John 17 and comprehend it in a way that fits all the other scriptures now let's use your logic and go to 1 Corinthians Ch 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live. So, Jesus can't be God because there is only One God the father ok well let's continue reading It also says that Jesus is the one lord so is the Father lord yes but not using your logic because only Jesus is lord. You see your logic fails when we compare scripture with scripture that why you like to isolate john 17:3 because you know if you interpret scripture with scripture your logic is going to fail now take 1 Corinthian's 8:6 and go to Mark 12:24 and remember Jesus is the one Lord. The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one, So Jesus is the one lord and mark 12:29 says that one lord is God. John tells us in 1 John 4:3 if any man denies that Jesus has come in the flesh same john Who wrote the Gospel of John same john who wrote the apocalypse. Same John that tells You in 1 John 5:20 that Jesus is the true God and eternal life. if you deny that Jesus is God in the flesh you are an antichrist and you're not of God. Read 2 Corinthian's 11 It Speakes about another Jesus read gelation's 1 it speaks about another gospel. Jesus said if you do not believe that I Am that I Am you will die in your sins and go to hell John 8:24. There's one God in three persons. The holy spirit is God as well. Read Acts 3:4-5. In revelation 1:8 Jesus is called the Almighty.
Actually the OT reads Hear Ol Israel Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. It's as simple as that, their God is Jehovah and he is one Jehovah not three persons but one person.
The title is poor. STAFFORD still ends up with TWO true Gods. His position is arianism. He was a JW at the time. Not oneness. In the full debate he admits to worshipping a creature, Jesus, a second lesser god in his eyes.
Jesus is a divine creature, so he is a god by nature. But he was created by, and submits to, God the Father whose name is Jehovah. He is the highest being in existence.
God has a God Revelation 3:12
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Oneness tv channel, please tell the Biblically ignorant Greg Stafford the reason why Jesus said the Father is the only true God, is, Although Jesus is God 2nd person singular who is with God the Father, 1st person singular,He emptied Himself of His Godly attributes and took the form of a servant, a man.
Phil 2: 6--7.
He didn't do one healing or miracle as God, He operated as the Son of man.
That's why He said things like the Father is greater than Him, and the Father is the only true God.
Greg Stafford won't
believe Jn 17: 5,
Jesus was glorified WITH the Father before the world was.
Two distinct persons.
So 2:41 Greg said "I ASSUME there's one category of true
2:43
God and I ASSUME there's one person in
2:44
that category of the Father"
Then at 3:32 Greg says "I'm sorry I'm NOT ASSUMING any such
3:34
thing I'm just ASSUMING that Jesus was
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meant what He said"
So Greg Stafford is making assumptions even though he claims that he is not.
John 17:3 easily shows that "only" must be used in proper context and that the trinity is true.
The only thing you missed is that Greg Stafford also added: "That's what Jesus said, do you agree with it?"
Interestingly, you failed to add that to your out-of-context quotation.
The reason for that is simple: because you know that Jesus really did say that the only true God is the Father, in John 17:3.
Yet, you can't have that, because the only true God for you is not the Father, but the Trinity.
Stop following traditions of men. It won't do you any good.
@@bicsakxdavid Does saying "only" in John 17:3 eliminate Jesus from being God?
@@bicsakxdavid I agree that's what Jesus said.
@@follow_the_way It excludes Jesus from being God in the same sense and category in which the Father is God.
Otherwise, the word "only" loses its meaning completely.
@@bicsakxdavid So If I understand you correctly, "only" can not have any other meaning, correct?
So "God" is a nature and not the Father? The 3 persons alone are not this nature called God but it takes all 3 for there to be God? The Father alone is not the one and only true God?
I think the channel owner does not understand that Greg Stafford is a Jehovah's Witness. They DO NOT believe Jesus is God. This looks really bad for "apostolic" understanding of theology.
: They believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. They have no problem with viewing Jesus as the divine Son of God; a god, but this does not make him God Almighty or the one true God.
Dr White take a breath. Go have a sleep and come back when your woke!!
a powerful testimony of a born again believer who died and came back to life, Jesus showed her heaven and hell, when she was in hell with Jesus she saw many people including celebrities bob Marley, hindus, budhists, a preacher and Muammar Ghaddafi, she asked Jesus why this preacher is in hell, Jesus said he denied my DIVINTY ( deity ).
at the gates of heaven she heard this angel saying referring to Jesus " this is the God who created heaven and earth the Alpha and the Omega the first and the last "
another powerful testimony is the bible - and it disagrees with you Ecclesiastics 9:5 - how could she be conscious of anything when she was dead????
So according to this testamony, is the trinity true?
there are SO MANY return from death experiences in the last 15 years, people from various backgrounds including born again christians. the WONDER of it all is that it shows that the Afterlife or the realm that the human spirit enters, is a PLURALITY, a MULTIVERSE. there is NO SINGLE GOVERNING POWER that will take every human spirit to a certain exact absolute realm according to one religion. fundamentalist christians think that a NON-christian who died will either be taken away by demons or taken by angels to a specific place for NON-believers. but the testimony of many NON-christians who experienced return from death show that it is NOT so.
The trinity is polytheistic. No matter how you wrap it, 3 persons are not 1 God. you can call it a mystery all you'd like but the apostles knew and therefor baptized in Jesus name only. They knew he was God manifested in flesh not a different person. Not 1 person baptized in 3 names.
Your a Mormon anticipation Bible saved Rahab God Shiva Jesus my lord
John 1, Colossians 1, Hebrews 1, Revelation 1 all prove the deity of Christ. Scripture is clear on the doctrine of the Trinity. It has been well established for almost 2000 years and is consistent with proper exegesis of the Old and New Testaments.
Show me anywhere in the Bible where Jesus said I am GOD. In fact God himself in his own words says Jesus is his Son (not a God) are you saying God is lying? Jesus Christ is either a son of God or God himself but cannot be both. The scriptures says "There is no one like our Lord and there is none besides him" yet you are saying there are others like our God? which is it? Show me anywhere in the Bible where the disciples of Jesus preached that God is 3 in 1? None. Just quote the verses
@@HenryCoule you have a hypocritical standard. Show me in the Quran where the shahada is spelled out or where it says to pray 5 times a day. Stop with the nonsense demands. Jesus claimed to be God and backed up His claims with His miracles.
Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, the third person of the one eternal Triune God.
Who is the truth? God. Who gives life? God
Jesus claimed to be the truth and giver of eternal life.
John 14:6
I am the way, the truth, and the life. Noone comes to the Father except through me.
John 17:1-5
After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.
2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
Who is able to forgive sins? Only God.
Yet Jesus forgave sins.
Mark 2:5-7 - And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” Now some of the scribes were sitting there, questioning in their hearts, “Why does this man speak like that? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”
Luke 5:22-25 - When Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answered them, “Why do you question in your hearts? Which is easier, to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Rise and walk’? But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins“-he said to the man who was paralyzed-”I say to you, rise, pick up your bed and go home.” And immediately he rose up before them and picked up what he had been lying on and went home, glorifying God.
Who alone should receive worship? God.
Yet Jesus received worship.
Matthew 2:11
11 And going into the house, they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh.
Matthew 14:33
33 And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”
Matthew 28:9
9 And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.
John 20:28
28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
Who does God share His glory with? Noone.
Yet Jesus shares God's glory.
Isaiah 42:8,11 - I am the Lord; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols. For my own sake, for my own sake, I do it, for how should my name be profaned? My glory I will not give to another
John 17:5 - And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.
John 17:24
2 Peter 3:18
Who is the first and the last? God.
Yet Jesus calls Himself the first and the last.
Revelation 1:8 - “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Isaiah 44:6 - Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.
Revelation 1:17-18 - When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.
Revelation 2:8 - “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life.
Revelation 22:12-13 - “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end
Who has the power to create? Only God.
Yet Jesus is the creator.
John 1:3 - All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:10 - He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him.
Who has the power to judge? God.
Yet Jesus proclaimed He is the judge.
John 5:22 - The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son
Jesus said He and God are one and perform the exact same actions.
John 5:19 - So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise
John 10:30-38 - [Jesus answered them] I and the Father are one.” The Jews picked up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?” The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.” Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’? If he called them gods to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be broken-do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me; but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.”
John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.
Jesus said He is the son of Man. The son of Man possesses divine attributes
Daniel 7:13-14
@@HenryCoule the Trinity is found all throughout the Bible. Just because you purposefully misrepresent what the Bible says or reject it out of ignorance doesn't mean it's not there. You Muslims believe in a false God. For example, Leviticus 17:11 says blood is REQUIRED for atonement of sins. Allah, the false moon god, does not require blood. He punishes Jews and Christians for the sins of Muslims. Likewise, the God of the Bible is called Father throughout the old and New testament. Allah, the false god, is not a father to anyone.
Genesis 1 let us (Elohim, plural noun) make man in OUR image
Genesis 11 let US (Elohim, plural noun) go down and confuse their languages
Genesis 19 the Lord called Fire from the Lord out of heaven
Psalm 2:7 the Lord has a Son
Isaiah 6 God speaking, and says Who shall go for US (Elohim, plural noun)
Isaiah 48 the son speaking, references the Father and Spirit
Isaiah 61 the son speaking, references the Father and Spirit (Luke 4:14-19 confirms this)
Matthew 3 Jesus' baptism, Son Father and Spirit are all present
Matthew 28 the great commission, the Son, Father, and Spirit all referenced
John 14:16-17 Jesus says the Father will send the Holy Spirit to believers
Hebrews 1 The Lord and Jesus are both revealed as God
2 Corinthians 13:14 Father, Son, and Spirit are referenced
I guess i have to b as smart as mr white to understand john 17 3
Or not as dumb as Stafford
No , you just have to take all of scripture as a whole. And scripture teaches that Jesus is also God.
“who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own advantage. Instead He emptied Himself by assuming the form of a slave, taking on the likeness of men. And when He had come as a man in His external form, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death - even to death on a cross.”
Philippians 2:6-8
Here’s just one text that completely refutes unitarianism . It says He existed in the form of God. Aka HE IS GOD. But He humbled himself and prepared a human body for Himself to serve His people and die on the cross in their place as the perfect redeeming sacrifice.
He has hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and revealed them to babes. You need to let the Bible speak for itself and not impose your own viewpoint on it. White accuses Greg of assuming a Unitarian viewpoint when all he is doing is reading a verse that is self explanatory and in harmony with the entirety of the Bible. Deut 6:4 Hear O Israel Jehovah your God is One Jehovah. Simple straightforward.
1Cor 11:3 - This verse DEALS DIRECTLY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY with the question of relative authority and was written when Jesus was back in heaven:
But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ;c in turn, the head of a woman is the man;d in turn, the head of the Christ is God.
So clear and simple , why dilute the word of God ad make it confusing and contradictory? Does a woman have someone with authority over her. YES. Does the man ? YES. Does Jesus YES!!! Can he be God then? A person with a simple child like disposition can answer this question ...so called learned men cannot. As Jesus said would be the case.
At John 20:17 he said to Mary Magdalene: “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God." Simple and clear.Jesus after being resurrected in the spirit HAS a GOD in the same way as Mary Magdalene
At 2 Corinthians 1:3 the apostle Paul confirms this relationship: “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Since Jesus had a God, his Father, he could not at the same time be that God. Simple . Any one can understand this.
For us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things . . . and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things.” -1 Corinthians 8:6, RS, Catholic edition. Simple and straightforward and entirely in agreement with John 17:3
Note the first words of the last book of the Bible: “The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him.” (Revelation 1:1, RS, Catholic edition) If Jesus himself were part of a Godhead, would he have to be given a revelation by another part of the Godhead-God? Surely he would have known all about it, for God knew. But Jesus did not know, for he was not God. This is SIMPLE easy to understand.
When Jesus was about to die, he showed who his superior was by praying: “Father, if you wish, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.” (Luke 22:42) To whom was he praying? To a part of himself? No, he was praying to someone entirely separate, his Father, God, whose will was superior and could be different from his own, the only One able to “remove this cup.” Simple.... I think you know the rest.
Long into an eternal future Jesus Christ retains a position of subordination and subjection to the Father.
1 Cor 15:24 Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his GOD AND FATHER, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power.e 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing.g 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.”h But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also SUBJECT HIMSELF himself to the One who subjected all things to him, so that God may be all things to everyone.
Can you see how plain and simple the truth here is ..? trinitarians cannot comprehend the basic verses that CLEARLY refer to the Sons position in relation to HIS GOD and HIS FATHER..
The trinity makes the simple truths about the Father and Son and turns them into a absurdity, a mystery that no one can even begin to comprehend. This kind of subversion of the truth was foretold clearly .
2 Tim 4:3 For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching,h but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled.i 4 They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.
No one who picks up the Bible and reads it from Genesis to Revelation or even from Matthew to Revelation would come away believing that God is a 3 in 1 person or is it 1 God in 3 persons.or is it ...........Unless they come with an a priori commitment to a false doctrine with it's roots deep in pagan concepts that predate Christianity (look up pagan triads of gods from ancient Egypt, Babylon etc)
If then a blind man leads a blind man both will fall into a pit....don't be lead by the blind..read the scriptures as they are meant to be read ..without contradicting the entirety of the inspired word of God.
Paul also placed one person in the category of True God and that True God has a Son. 'For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the LIVING AND TRUE GOD; and to wait FOR HIS SON from heaven, whom HE RAISED FROM THE DEAD, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.'
- 1 Thess 1:9-10
The Father is the only true God and Jesus is the Son of the only true God. It's not difficult to understand: God is the Father of Christ. Christ is the Son of God. Therefore, Jesus is not the One God but He's the Son of the One God.
Paul also said there’s only one Lord. So the Father is only God but not Lord?
Paul also proclaimed the doctrine of the Trinity by proclaiming Christ's deity in Colossians 1, Titus 2:13, etc.
John 6:38 The eternal Son descends from Heaven sent by the Father...
Unitarians were condemned as heretics at the Nicea council 325 A.D and 200 years later again at the calcedonian Council where the two nature's of the eternal Son were re-affirmed.
Lol. Your biases are showing. Unless you watched a separate debate. This was embarrassing for the little oneness guy. Brutal cringe
A question for Trinitarians would be who is the only true God
The 1 Triune God
@@AnthonyY55 Well Jesus said the only true God is the Father and the father is not Triune but one person.
Question: Is the God of Jesus Triune or a trinity?
@@johnchauke7492 Well Triune means Trinity.
@@AnthonyY55 I asked u if the Jesus' God is a trinity
@@johnchauke7492 in the context that Jesus is praying yes the Father is the Only true God.
Not a good argument and that coming from a oneness believer.
Truth is the trinitarian doctrine just makes no sense in light of the whole of scripture not when you study it from Genesis to Revelation it makes no sense what people don't realize is that God is simply a spirit who born himself a body a son to dwell in and walk him reveal his person in Jesus was both God and man or really Father and son in one at the same time one. God I don't know why that's so hard for people to understand but I think it seems to a lot of a lot of trinitarians really do get stumped and they can't prove their position
Good job Mr White. Very true.
The Father is the only True God*!
The Son is the only True God*!
The Spirit is the only True God*!
*according to the essence
A piece of cake with the additional benefit that unlocks the whole Bible!
What kind of "one person" is this God that has a Son!
If God is one person then it is a scam to say God is a literal Father.
The Son is as much God as the Father.
Have you seen a lion cub beeing less lion, or a human son being less human!
What Mr. Greg Stafford fails to understand in John 17:3 is the subordination among the persons of the Trinity. One of the clues to understanding this form of subordination of the Son to the Father is seen in John 20:
John 20:17 - Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’”
While there is a unique relationship that Jesus has with the Father that is distinct from our relationship that we have with the Father, there is a similarity as well. Here, Jesus calls them “brothers,” that is, Jesus, who is Yahweh, became a man (cf. John 1:1, 14, Philippians 2:6-8) and born under the law (Galatians 4:4) *so that He might know the Father as His God in the same way that His children know the Father as their God.* As a man, and as man’s representative (Son of Man), Jesus’ person was dependent on the Father and, like us, looked to the Father for strength, guidance, wisdom, etc. Therefore, God the Father was the God of Jesus. The Father is the God of the Son, but that doesn’t imply inferiority, only a difference in roles. So Jesus, having two natures, submits to the Father in all aspects regarding His human nature (John 5:30) so that He might fulfill His role as the perfect substitute in the divine act of redemption.
Not only this, but if Stafford wishes to maintain his incorrect narrative of uniformitarianism, then he must isolate this passage from the rest of scripture and ignore everything else that the scripture has to say about the divinity of the Son and the Spirit.
The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2, Deuteronomy 32:6; Isaiah 63:16, 64:8, Malachi 2:10).
The Messenger/Angel of the LORD, Word, Son of God, Son of Man, Jesus is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20, Genesis 16:7-14, 21:17-18, 22:9-18, 28:10-22, 31:11-13, 32:22-32, Hosea 12:3-4, Exodus 3, 13:21, 14:19, 23:20-22; Numbers 22:21-41; Judges 2:1-5, 6:7-24, 13:3-22, 2 Samuel 24:16; Psalm 2, 110:1, Isaiah 7:14, 9:6, 63:9; Jeremiah 23:5-6; Proverbs 30:4; Zechariah 1:10-11, 12:8; Malachi 3:1, Daniel 7:13-14/Mark 16:42)
The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16, Nehemiah 9:20; Job 26:13, 33:4; Psalm 104:30, 106:32-33, 139:1-24, 143:10; 2 Samuel 23:1-3; Isaiah 11:2, 40:13; Ezekiel 11:5; Micah 2:7).
God is not subordinate to anything
@@MrMaxSkorpion
Of course not, but there is subordination within the Trinity.
@@lawrencestanley8989 1. God is all mighty, subordinate to nothing.
2. Jesus said the Father was greater than him and that he was subordinate to his Father.
3. Jesus is not God
@@MrMaxSkorpion
Jesus forgave sins; only God can forgive sins; Jesus is God.
@@lawrencestanley8989 You didn't address the problem I raised, but I will address yours.
Mark 2, Matthew 9, Luke 5... These instances of Jesus “forgiving” sins is not a proof text for the truth of christianity, but are actually demonstrations of the literary techniques employed by the authors of the gospels. The authors portray Jesus as simply taking the prerogative of the priests who were also able to forgive sins… not that they were forgiving sins themselves but in the name of God (Leviticus 4:20, 5:13).
2 Samuel 12:13
Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” Nathan replied, “The Lord has taken away your sin. You are not going to die.”
John 5:30
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
It’s not hard to see that the authors of the NT wanted to portray Jesus as a priest/prophet with ultimate prerogative to do God's will in the world, including forgiving sins. That is to say, he was NOT God.
James White represents all Trinitarians. Nonsense.
Greg showed his own destruction by refusing to address the Whole prayer. Take one verse and insert your presuppositions and then run away or don't touch anything surrounding that verse. John 17:5 Jesus shares the same glory of the Father before the World was. According Isaiah 42:8 Makes it clear God shares His glory with no one else. 3 persons 1 being, recognize the category difference. Stop chopping up scripture and just accept the Bible when it talks about the persons of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit and when it concludes that they all share the position, glory, being of God. Trinitarians not tritheism.
Jesus shares the same glory with his disciples
@@Scott48-m7eand that makes them according to trinitarian reasoning,god
Boggles my mind that Mr. Stafford would base his doctrine of the nature of God exclusively on John 17:3 and refuse to accept any other verse as also contributing to a correct understanding of the nature of God.
Greg Stafford has a channel that he debunks every scripture that trinitarians use as their proof of th trinity.
God is not a Trinity!!! Great job brother!!!
God is very much so a Trinity.
Can the word "only" in John 17:3 have more than one meaning depending on context or not?
Yes God is definitely a Trinity.
@Dave1525 Dave1525 just because Christ refers to the father as the one and only true God, does not mean he denies that he is God, Stafford’s reasoning is incredibly flawed, there are many points in scripture where the father is referred to as God not the only true God, and Christ is referred to as the Lord and Savior and so is God the father.
@@pleaseenteraname1103 U didn't watch the whole debate because Greg does address such instances but when it comes to John 17 v 3 we all know that the only true God is the father and not Jesus.
Thats taking a verse out the conteste without the rest
What? Really?
White did not get "destroyed"... lol. If you only take one verse and scratch out the rest of Scripture, sure, you can make it mean anything you want. Exactly why he didn't want to answer White's points.
White false prophet
Huh have you watched the whole debate?? Greg mowed straight over James with scripture and w9n the argument. Ur pastor James was all over the show.
James White isn't a doctor
James White is a GNOSTIC.
Huh??
In John 17, Jesus was praying to God the Father for his disciples, and on behalf of his disciples, not just those present, but everyone in the future.
Obviously the perspective of this prayer is for all of us today. And the sentence of John 17:3 is the one that Paul reiterated in 1 Corinthians 8:6, and Jesus himself repeated in Revelation 3:12
Is it really that difficult to understand that our Father, Jehovah, is the only Sublime and Supreme God? Only one person?
Yes, if the trinitarian tradition prevents it!
And obviously prevents!
Can the word "only" in John 17:3 have more than one meaning depending on context or not?
@@follow_the_way John 17:3, the sentence is not ambiguous, nor is the philosophical context, unless the reader wants it to be.
So, "only" here emphasizes not a simple uniqueness, but a superior uniqueness in the person of the Father, as the Only True God.
It is a pragmatic exclusivity, and that is defined by the proximate context and the whole biblical context.
Do you want some biblical examples of that?
@@verdadeincomoda7632 Yes please.
@@verdadeincomoda7632 Can this word "only" have other meanings though or is it strictly "only" no matter what the context?
@@follow_the_way What other meaning can the word "Only" have (Greek: μόνον; Monon, monos) when it identifies only the person of the Father as the only God?
"Only", (Greek: μόνον; Monon, monos) is by any chance a polysemic word? The word μόνον means "only, solitary, desolate".
What other meanings does it apply to you in the Scriptures? Can you said to me, so we can analyse the context?
Just because Greg Stafford refuses to understand and continues to be stubborn doesn't make him right. If one of the persons of God is referred to as God, it doesn't automatically mean the others are not. For example, when Jesus is called "my Lord and my God" John 20:28, doesn't mean the Father is no longer considered God. This is the importance of the definition of Trinity. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is God.
Non Orthodox and non Roman Catholic have a bone to pick about the Trinity. It is simply hatred and a lack of understanding, not Biblical understanding. Aren't we baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit? What does that mean?
Gregg Stafford is showing his ignorance of the Bible. he takes
Jn 17: 3 out of context with the whole Bible.
Which clearly teaches the trinity.
Gregg Stafford won't debate with me because he knows that I will prove him wrong.
Let me answer his question on Jn 17: 3, and I will show him the Biblical truths.
The only true God is the Father.
What about the Holy Spirit
Trinity liars!
Oneness is Truth.
Wow oneness ppl lying again
This verse saves people from becoming christians, thank god