Old Volvo vs New Volvo, 440 vs V90. Buy Vs Hire - Which do you take on holiday?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.พ. 2023
- Hello everyone,
Today Lawrie asks the question of is it better to buy a car, or to hire one.
So armed with 500 quid he went to the internet to buy a car, and Morgan went to see what he could hire.
This video was shot in 2022, and the 440 was acquired before the second hand car market got super expensive.
A video featuring:
Lawrie - Presenter, rather smitten with his new Volvo,
Morgan - Presenter, convinced this is all a stupid idea.
Matt - Cameraman, secretly a fan of the 440.
An edit by Lawrie
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£300 for a working car with an MOT in 2023?! You've already won!
Well... Not quite.
This was shot last year, the the car acquired before the prices went mad
Hello Calum .. always nice to see you-tubers following other you-tubers
@@lmm szz
I started to walk along the Lincolnshire Coast towards Skegness once, but after a while decided that actually arriving at Skegness would spoil the walk, so I turned around and went home for a cuppa.
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
I really love these “top gear” style videos on here, keep up the good work Lawrie!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Normal that the lights come on on Swedish cars of this vintage. All my dad’s Saabs did this - daytime running lights are obligatory in Sweden . My 2004 9-5 however doesn’t.
So good to see you Matt and Morgan out and about again. 😂 This was a riot. Thanks guys 👍
As for the modern Volvo, it seems like most modern cars the driving experience is just… dull. No feedback from the car. As you said Lawrie « I feel detached from it ». Says it all really. 440 for me any day !
A man of excellent taste!
@@lmm
How’s it going mate? Any plans to come over to France this year ?
The bulb out warning light being on every time you start is normal, it goes off the first time you hit the brake so it can check the brake light bulbs. Those volvo's where good cars, my grandfather had a 440 and my mum had a 460 back in the day.
Oooh! Is that what it is! Thank you!
Why watch Harry Metcalf drive a Lamborghini to the French Riviera when you can see Lawrie in an old Volvo drive to Skegness!
I know which I'd rather!
Harry Who?
French what?
My Grandma had a 440, in light blue. It was her first and last own car. She had it for 20 years and she loved it.
It's a super little thing. I'm very taken by it!
Lawrie is doing top gear challenges now.
Well, ish 😂
Skeggy in February is dire. The Pier was longer when first built but it fell down in a storm. Used to be a theatre at the end of it.
Oh really? So they're putting it back
@@lmm That's what the new owners of it said they wanted to do. Like most things it's gone quiet tho.
Cars in sweden must always have running lights on so the lights turn on when you start the engine.
So the first position of the switch is pointless?
@@lmm Yes, the 0 position does nothing. But laws or something changed, now cars here have the auto mode where the lights turn on when it's dark. Don't know the logic behind it all. It was a problem before when driving a Volvo in germany because there it's, I think, against the law to have the lights on daytime.
@@afberglund2764 oh really? That's quite an issue!
440s are pretty comfortable and really good at being an unobtrusive car. While i think it's really a good car, it was also the first car i would not buy for the boredom factor, simply because i do not need an unobtrusive car in my life that i can drive every single day without getting a bit annoyed with noise, vibrations, effort it takes to drive it and such things.
I prefer driving the 340. 340 is great, and has the best seats of all cars i've tried.
It takes no effort to drive, it's just a comfy barge
The lights totally is a Volvo thing, welcome to the ownership!
So the first option on the switch is pointless?
Thanks! Loving the 440
@@lmm Basically yes! my lights are either on, or side lights, or on! haha. I have a V50. I can only flash the headlights in the 'off' position though, for full beam to stay on they have to be in the 'full on' position
@@isctony OK, that's worth knowing thanks!
Great comparison between hire/ buy. I'm glad you included the insurance cost, as this always bugs me when people buy cheap cars on youtube. But don't explain how they get around insurance. Buying a cheap car for a holiday appeals, but then I run a 2018 Suzuki swift sport as a daily, so it would be foolish to not enjoy it...
my other car is a skoda fabia 1.4 3 cylinder diesel
Good video, btw did morgan payout for the insurance reduction waiver?
I actually don't know if it did!
It's a lot easier now, I have a big multi car, and it's usually about 20 quid to add something to it, which is exceptionally useful.
No, the lights do come on the 440 when you turn it on. I had one. The coolent issues though, they didn't do that out of the factory, nor was the rust factory spec. Volvo 440 when new, the early versions, were comfortable, quiet smooth. I now drive a 2019 V90 D4.
So the first setting on the light switch is pointless 😂
@Lawrie's Mechanical Marvels Yes it is.
Good old Skeggy, serving the important duty of making Mablethorpe look better than it really is.
Most places look good in comparison.
The 440 and 480 share the same platform, meaning while the 480 might remind you of a CRX in terms of looks, it drives like a 440. It also has Renault engines which were adjusted in Weissach by Porsche and the rear axle is from Lotus, which is one hell of a weird combination for a car like this.
My uncle had a 440 from new for over 15 years or so, then he switched to a VW Polo 9N which he gave back after having trouble all the time and ended up with Kia Picantos (now on his 2nd), as Volvo didn't produce affordable small cars anymore.
As for the modern one: It's not so much the car specifically as new cars in general which just miss my taste.
Overall I'm unexited to begin with, since they're more or less the same bar very few exceptions. Being indifferent about something rather expensive means every annoying detail just makes it feel worse, while I wouldn't care about it if I'd buy the same car in 20 years for a few hundreds.
The only thing I really hate are all those screens and driving assists. Nobody with half a braincell would type something on their phone while driving, but somehow it's acceptable to stare at a screen to type in your desired temperature and what-not.
The assist systems are IMO dangerous, because they just don't work reliable. I once test drove a car with a brutal lane assist to the point where it almost crashed me into a barrier at a construction site because it wanted to stick to the white lines rather than the (somewhat dirty) yellow ones. Since it's gonna work fine (or not at all) 99% of the time, you don't expect some force going trough the steering wheel seemingly at random.
I still love the look of the 480. Super cool thing.
I agree. All these systems teaching you to not pay attention to the road
That future plan is false, mate, in 20 years from now there woun't be *any* of these newbies left to buy, even for a quid. - Even if left in a dry carpark, they'd all be eroded by the wind.
@@jayswarrow1196 Well, you're most likely right. To be honest, when I think about "modern car I might buy in the future", many cars I'd have in mind are already 10+ years old.
If we talk 2023 cars, there might be top end luxury/sportscars retaining value outside "our" reach all the way till it goes up again.
As far as normal cars go, they've become a real pain to repair. Even leaving quality itself aside, it will be a nightmare to meet the MOT (TÜV) requirements of all the emission and assistance tech, unless it becomes accessible (or your country allows you to disable it).
I know BMW has already started "pairing" gearboxes to cars, meaning if your 2022 BMW needs a new gearbox in 2040, you can't just install one from the scrapyard without going to BMW. As for the software, AFAIK not even BMW Motorsport customers have access to it, at least not the smaller teams.
... maybe I should get a shed myself and hoard older cars.
Super video as always, great addition to the fleet of vehicles. Not a fan of the automation in modern cars either. The lights are indeed a Volvo thing that you can't turn them off, this is due to it being law in Sweden for them to be on anytime of day.
Glad you enjoyed it!
So position one on the lights is pointless?
@@lmm Yes, kind of is pointless. I have 440 GLT with 50k miles I have purchased in December hh.
I had a 440 years ago after having a 340, i gave the 440 away as i didn't like it as much as the 340. A 1985 340 now lives in my garage as the weird car that not many people want to save but i love the old school wallowy suspension for wafting round the lanes, (very slowly as it's a 1.4dl). Mines called Betty after the original long term owner
Lane assist is terrifying in motorway roadworks when they've not fully burned off the old white lines. My works hire car tried to steer me and a colleague into some armco because it had a shit fit 😂 cool tech but you've got to be clued up on how it works!
This is why I don't like it, people will be far too inclined to assume it's infallible and then aren't paying enough attention to catch it when it fails
I have lane assist, in VW group cars its surprisingly hard to turn off. It makes you a bad driver because you cant turn it off and the lots of tiny corrections it makes means when you drive a "normal" car you end up waving all over the place. It has collision detection which I think is a good thing provided you have a brain and dont see it as a part of driving you dont need to think about. It came on for me once when I was checking blind spot to change lane on motorway and the guy in front slammed on, so feel it has earned its keep. Adaptive cruise control is like the worst of all worlds and should be banned
@@TheFjmtb I hear lots of people saying that similar thing over the car fighting for control
Your overheating could be to do with E10 fuel. We found out by putting a bit more water in the radiator it's fine.
I think it's just the guage being daft
In the 90's my mother's friend who was a distant aunt of mine had a volvo wagon , it stayed in the driveway not running and it was fairly new at the time.
They're good things!
Hello Lawrie's Mechanical Marvels
Hello
I would hire one, sorry but having creature comforts like heating is a must now days. Also not having to worry about the thing blowing up is also a good piece of mind when your on holidays.
That's a fair choice
You can use the Volvo as your winter beater, create lots of videos repairing and learning new skills or just sell it on for a profit without doing anything.
There will be alot of videos learning various bits on it
Your Volvo's lights being on could be that it has daytime running lights. I believe all Volvos had them, but I'm not sure how long ago they started. Over here in Canada all cars have them since the early 90's.
Apparently so!
wahaha that dinner is really funny moment 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Glad you enjoyed it!
If you think Skegness is grim... you need a trip to Jaywick - only in the mid/late 1970s they started to install mains water, sewage and drainage.
Have been. Went to buy a car from there.
... Didn't buy it
Skeg in winter - far underreaches the low expectations laid upon it. Not only that there is **** cold wind coming in from the east. Not much change in the summer to be honest.
As for old Volvos - the 440 series is not exactly the high point of Volvoness, you really need to look at something like a v760R or v860v (especially if you can find one of the ex-Swedish plod mobiles with that gorgeous V8.....)
440 is just a good barge
@@lmm Not really big enough to be a barge, size makes it more a big shopping trolley, practical, but not giant.
To fix the thermometer in car place another negative terminal to the chassis I have a 440 and had the same issue
Oh really? I'll try that! Thanks!
@@lmm no problem also loved the video look forwards to see more of your 440 :)
@@Aionized it'll appear again!
I have to be honest, this made me absolutely roar with laughter!! 😂😂😂 On a more serious note, I really hope you're able to restore that 440, it definitely deserves to be saved. 🙂
Did someone mention Festival Of The Unexceptional? 😉
It's prime festival of the unexceptional fodder
@@lmm Is it definitely a permanent member of the LMM fleet now? 🙂
@@Andy-eo3mq Yep! It's been kicking around too long in the background to go now.
@@lmm Fantastic news! 😃 I've recently become a Japanese car owner...
You were a bit hard on Skeggy! It is what it is, and does it extremely well in my opinion!😀
Feb was not the time to visit.
@@lmm Probably not, no!🤣
lol , my daily is a XC70 & i have a 760 in the fleet .. i often ask myself which volvo i will take ... BTW the temp gauge issue might be the sensor , but more common is corroded wiring , as for the heater matrix .. i really hope it's easier than the 700series ( remove entire dash assembly to get to it ) .. good luck
It's a dash out job, and I assume failed wiring!
The Volvo is nice, but I think I'd probably have the Volvo given the option.
Oh, why the Volvo? I'd have thought the Vovlo would have been more your choice?
I can really see the size difference of the 2 vehicles despite only being 28 years apart.
Can't even see the 440 in the rear window of the V90.
It's amazing how much has changed in all of car design in a relative short about of time.
It's hard to see they're even the same company
I like the 440 my first car was a 440 I still drive a Volvo S80 2002 love it to bits!
Good taste in cars!
Always buy over hiring if you can! Skegness beachfront taught me what 'bracing' really means, so if you did sleep in the Volvo, you are quite mad!
Trust you used Car Vertical to check your Volvo hadn't been used in racing, was stolen, still had finance on it.......
Thanks Lawrie! 🙏🙏
It's certainly bracing.
Didn't bother, no one would have raced it, it's not worth anything, and was sold with a fault
@@lmm My Car Vertical comment was very tongue in cheek!
@bbc give these men Top Gear!
Ah to dream!
There is one good thing about the 440 its green and more environmentally friendly than any newer car on the road on finance including the electric cars as the new cars still need to shake off their production carbon footprint.
And more green than many of them will ever be!
That particular chippy is REALLY bad, considering there's about half a dozen others within eyesight of the roundabout, you'd think they would try harder. As for the better route, if you have space for the car, then buying is always the better option in my head, I have a similar conundrum coming up later in the year actually. I need a small trailer to carry stuff for our holiday, I was going to hire one, but it actually turns out cheaper to buy a used one, take it away for the week and then resell it or even give it away after.
That chippy was terrible. Not even made worse for TV!
Buying a car and then selling it is a better way to go!
@@lmm Oh, been meaning to ask, will you be at the MSLR on the 9th April? Thinking of heading down for the day to sample the delights
That 440 seems like a LMMons car!
It's great isn't it!
Was the 440 designed using only an Etch a Sketch, and with it, flat panes of glass
Good way to design a car!
The closed captions say julie the VULVA 😲😲
Oh dear!
The 440 im sure we have seen in a previous video 😉😉 with a very coy lawrie being very vague about it lol My dad had a 440 that i was suppised to have as a first car and i drove a handful of times in L plates, Unfortunately before i passed my test it developed several issues which meant it was gotten rid of and i ended up with a 97 corsa and dad had an omega instead lol really need to keep it, id love another one but not suitable for the ever expanding family lol
Matt did accidentally reveal it once before.
It's been kicking about for years - we got it to do the challenge before one of the winter lock downs, and thought we couldn't be seen to be going away in a lock down, so it got delayed. And delayed, and finally shot it last year
Hey! Whats wrong about the VW Beetle. I love mine. 1963 Bug - Helga.
I love them too, very much on my want list - Morgan hates anything that's not his BMW.
the lights on when the ignition its a Volvo thing as in Sweden it has been a law requirement for a while. and that has a Renault engine in it 99%
Yep. It's French underneath
Modern Volvo cars are lovely, but that is a fine motor vehicle. Volvo have always had a soft spot in my heart, especially with legends like the T5.
I am fascinated by The northern European guys do with the old red blocks with massive turbos, massive horsepower, even the Volvo Penta boat engines.
I think if I was to get a turbo brick that isn’t a 850 replica touring car. It would probably be a old 740 or even a 240 with more Turbo than engine, but I am a masochist
As others have said any car below £1000 now is a win my little diesel Fabia was just over £1000. You can get one for less than 1500 even three grand now and now it’s starting to get tired. I need to put about that amount in just to keep it going.
Car prices are now coming down, but finding interesting vehicles for low money are rare.
@@lmm agreed, I am still on the hunt for many vehicles to check off my list, a MX3 V6 is high on that list and a RX7 FC but prices are just silly,
I had hoped working in car transportation would put me in front of cars just begging to be reborn. Sadly not
@@BurpleRX7 sadly sometimes the car is loaded, but doesn't reach it's destination, ending up at a local enthusiasts garage with no understanding of how it got there?
@@lmm exactly that, I have carried everything from a rusty pile that was purchased solely for a mirror glass and a vin plate through to multi million pound coach built exotica.
A friend do get a bargain of a st220 mondeo that a farmer was using to store chickens though so it can happen
you could get away with wirebrushing the rust to mettle and primer and paint over it should look ok
That's on my Todo list
Take a group of newish cars and remove the badges. Can you name the manufacturer and model even if you have the physical car available? Then take a number of silhouettes of 1970s era UK cars and you should be able to name all of them. Cars were really different then and easily identifiable. That says a lot.
I am not a fan of the modern design language
I imagined that Matt walked away after the 7 seconds of silence saying "A-hole!" in a very agitated tone. The 440 was a white goods of a car, bland, boring but did everything it needed to with the added bonus of comfy seats.
440 is just a good old box
funniest thing I've seen all week Matt getting annoyed at Lawrie talking up the perks of sleeping in a car
He agreed with my points I'm sure
I don’t know why but I kind of like the 440 because it’s quite literally just a car. Ask a child to draw a car and he’s more than likely going to draw a boxy 4-door sedan. Morgan was both wrong and right when he said it’s a boring car. It’s quite literally so boring that it’s fun.
It's unusual on today's roads, and that's why I like it.
The title sounds like a segment from top gear.
Good enough!
A bit of Skegvegas, spent far too much time there and wouldn't eat from that chippy. 🤣
It almost put me off chips for life!
I didn't realise it was possible to muck it up!
Welcome to Julie
She's great!
In my experience most attractions in England are quantum. Really good, until they are observed.
😂 😂 😂 That's quite true for seaside towns
M.o.t expired bk in 17 December 22.. So not a bargain at £300 in 2023 and if u got it insured for a daily basis it be worth the while as ur only got £20 to spend... What about the fuel so ur over the £500. But I do like to watch these funny videos 😂😂 keep them coming
As it says, this was shot last year.
As mentioned we decided to exclude fuel from the budget
Epic
Thanks!
That sausage made a crunch like biting into an apple.... that ain't right....
It was not even pork and apple!
Yes I would buy an old car rather than renting a car that is over complicated for it's own good.
That's what I feel
Budget top gear?
I'll take that
When will you have your Morris Minor up and running and is your Rodin going ask well and what a beautiful volo
The reliant won't be long, the moggy I hope to start next year
Why was Matt punished by having to stay with Lawrie and not staying in the room with Morgan?
Morgan refused to let anyone who like the 440 in his room
I had the 440 easily the best car I ever owned
I'm very attached to it
How did you get Suggs from Madness to hire a Volvo? 😎
By the way, the old Volvo is called "Bee Gees, ha ha ha staying alive!"
He likes the channel 😂
old topgear-esk vibes
When it was good!
You have to be over 70 to look right in a volvo. Especially that old 440. But I believe it's a French engine...so of course it will over heat !!! Morgans description of the 440 is spot on however. Even if he is somewhat reminiscent of " Tim, nice but Dim"
😂 😂 Love the Morgan analogy.
Most the underpinnings are French.
It's not actually overheating, just the gauge being silly
No, obviously you would go by train. Time travel back to the 1980s and take a pair of class 20s or a 37/0...
Oh to dream...
For a *lazy drivers* mention alone, you deserve your like. That pandemic should be cured, before any stupid bloodcells.. #roads4drivers
Thank you very much!
Still bad neighbor etiquette to not leave a note.
I was gutted!
I had a new Fabia on loan with Lane Assist, and it's a truly weird experience! I drove from Ipswich to Bury, and I turned it off before I'd driven 5 miles!
Yes, the thought that there will be those that rely on this to keep them out of trouble is terrifying! 😮
It really scares me
with that £500 you can just make it there with a taxi from where i live and still better then my dad when ge got a rover with a blown head for £800 oh well not my problem
It's is a proper taxi!
@@lmm hell a taxi from one end to the other of the uk is probably the same price so not bad for a very cheap get away
@@ThatVoxelBlock that would cost thousands 😂
@@lmm probably be cheaper importing a New York taxi and driving it from one end of the country to the other and back
Where on earth do you find these cars?!?
This was facdbook marketplace find I think
Volvo 850 is one of the best 90s cars, Volvo 440 is one of the worst.
Shows how good volvo is, cause the 440 isn't bad
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