I used to love Audi I bought one nothing but problems breaking down part after part . I bought a Acura never look back in fact I bought 2 Acura because it's super reliable, cost less to maintain and blast to drive.
They did an uphill battle between the S4, the EVO, and the TL with a professional driver. Surprisingly, the TL came on top despite having less power, no turbo, and a softer suspension. That tells a lot about the SH-AWD system, you can have a tL looking as modane as can be but still able to beat, pricey juiced up germans cars, and rally oriented beasts in the twisties.
go drive the Acura, then drive the Honda... you will know the difference. Honda is Acura.. but they don't sell the same cars. That's like saying a Camry is the same as a GS350...
Great video.I have a 2012 TL and am enjoying the experience. While the European cars offer a wonderful driving expeince... I agree it is not worth $20K more than the Acura. It takes journalistic guts to pick an Acura over any of the exalted Bavarian cars. For me the reliablity and value of the Acura are more important than the slight edge the Audi has in the road experince
Portia Moore Nobody ever said it would, you're missing the point, people who buy Audi don't buy them so that it could outlast a Honda. I bought my 93 Accord in 1993, it's tunned and runs top notch (H22). I bought my first Audi A4 3.0 in 2002 (currently 207k and still runs beautifully), and my 2nd Audi a month ago. I buy Audi for class, I've worked my ass off to able to afford them and their maintenance. But just like anything else, it will last long as long as you take care of it! Most anyone with a decent job can drive a Acura (current model), not everyone can drive a Audi (current model). I know, I use to be one.
wtf.. you started off with a great point but slowly took another direction. Acura's start at different price points just like Audi's do. You can either get an expensive Acura sedan (RLX) or get an entry level (ILX). Which is the same case for Audi's. I don't even understand your point, you buy an Audi because it's a 'class' car? You buy cars based on their price tag? You don't look at value? The argument in the video was of value. For 20k less and for 90% of the A7 you can get a TL. The TL and A7 are not even direct competitors as they start at different price ranges.
TheTitan1530 If I want value, gas mileage etc. I'd buy a Acura/Honda, which I've done. If I want class, I'd buy an Audi, Benz or Beamer. Never an Acura, My opinion. I just don't think of class when the name Acura comes to mind. And no I don't buy cars based on their price tag, that was retarded, I buy them based on the criteria that I have when shopping for one. If it fits my budget, I buy... Period! Oh, and if you're buying a TL, chances are that's because that's all that person can afford. If a person has A7 money, guess what? that person is getting an A7... Again... Period! And no... You're not getting 90% of an A7.. What are you high?
If that's your opinion that's fine. But saying people get Acura because that's all they're able to afford is beyond stupid and extremely arrogant. Idk if you watched the entire video but that's how he summed it up. TL offers 90% of what an A7. Forget a TL, it's discontinued. I really don't know where you got this idea that Acura is a cheap brand, maybe it's because you had a 92 accord and once you got the Audi it was a big upgrade, but that mentality just doesn't hold. A RLX entry model costs more than a A6, and little less than A7 (10k) which really isn't much. A NSX costs the same as a R8, so again, I really don't know where you got this idea that Acura is a cheap brand. It's one thing to say that you prefer german engineering, but it's another to say that people who get any other car than german are lesser people who aren't able to afford luxuries in life.
What's in your opinion class car? To me, Acura is class car, no, not because it is more affordable, but because is stylish too. Everybody have own class, nothing wrong with that. All people like you, if it's german, you classy guy, what a BS.
I used to sell Audis and always loved the A7. An amazing car. I am a current owner of a 2012 TL SH-AWD and am pretty impressed with the car. Great power and great handling. Much better than I expected and the AWD seems every bit as good as what I've driven in the Audis. I wonder where this test would have ended up if he had driven the TL with an Auto transmission?
thankyou for this video, I will buy a TL wright away. 1.5 differance and 22500$ less. And the reliability and the maintenace minder.... It's a no brainer.
If you lease cars, get the Audi. If you buy cars and keep them for a long time, get the Acura. I've had Acuras with over 330K on them that still drive like almost new. The few German cars I've owned felt like they had 330K on them when they only had 50K miles. The German cars are not made to last. They are a blast to drive though!
I drive a 2012 Porsche Carerra 2S , Cabriolet , I have owned several Acura's as winter cars and every day drivers , From a 2000 tl 2002 cl-s 20004 Tl - 2005 Tl 2006 Tl .. 2007 Infiniti G35x 2009 Infiniti G37x 2010 Mercedes C350 4matic ., and a 2011 Audi S-4 .. Without any comparison . The Acura is a much nicer car to own & drive I just Bought a 2012 Sh Awd tl .. its not about stature , its about intelligence & How much will I not lose when I change the car Reliablity & Dependability .Acura A-1
I have a 2010 TL SH-AWD A-Spec, there is no equivalent these days... 6 speed manual transmission, 305 hp and a Honda reliability, this is something you can't get these days.
I have the same one but not an A-Spec and I love it! I use only Shell premium and the only upgrade I've done is the air intake and a Sprint Booster. It's worth the money and it brings out the beast in your car.
Ive had my 2012 TL(We call her the Black Pearl lol) for 6 years now and haven't had to do much of anything to her! I keep up with my regularly scheduled maintenance and she drives like a dream still to this day, with over 100 thousand miles...when she finally does poop out on me, guess what im getting? Another ACURA! duh! by far one of the most reliable auto makers!
I agree. I had had bmw's all my life and my current 335i is the last straw. The maintenance and headaches are not worth the beauty and joy to drive. Not just for bmw's, all german/european cars. Every one of them. That said if a reliable japanese competitor comes close, it will definetely be on my next shopping list.
I agree as well. I owned 3 BMW's before I gave up. I just purchased a 2012 Acura TL with the SHAWD. My OH my what a machine, so fantastic. It turns and handles like a a porsche 911. Amazing amazing. Never going back to german again.
I just got an Acura TL on Thursday! I absolutely LOVE it!!! This car is phenomenal when takes off. It slams my back up against the seat. I don't like the body style of the Audis but the tech inside is pretty nice but so is the Acura and at a much better value. I will take the Acura over Audi any day due to style, reliability, and price. The 2012 Acura TL is a great car!!! :)
+John Vu The TL isn't supercharged but has almost an extra liter of engine displacement. 3.7 vs 3.0. Acura looks plan as hell too, you can't distinguish the side profile from a Toyota Camry. A7 looks sharp. Also SHAWD sucks, it's those electronic on-demand viscous coupling that relies on a computer to detect slip and babysit you. quattro is full time directly connected via torsen differential - no computer baby sitting you helping you steer your car gimmicks - just pure AWD.
I care about the type of AWD because it doesn't turn on and off when a computer thinks it needs to. It's always on. So due to the torsen system, the differential increases and decreases torque between axles as it's needed. It doesn't wait until after a computer detects a slip to shift torque - that's if a computer notices it's slipping.
EdGuila , you obviously don't know what you are talking about. AWD on the TL is engaged AT ALL TIMES! Meaning torque is sent to all four wheels at all times, not just when slip is detected. Viscous coupling!? You mean Electromagnetic Clutch Packs!? Because they are not them same! Honda came up with a far more advanced AWD system than Audi when it came out, with true rear torque verctoring vs Audi's cheap and inneficient brake based setup.
First off, the Acura/Honda 3.7L isn't ancient. Acura used the 3.2L for two whole generations of the TL, but the 3.7L just came on the scene with the new TL (from what I know at least). As far as "huge displacements (corrected)" go, 3.7 liters is hardly "huge"; it's only a fifth of a liter more than what is standard for a current V6. From what I gather, the extra 0.2 liters was to best Nissan's legendary VQ engine, but Nissan just up sized their motor to 3.7L to stay on top. VQ motor is king
You are aware of Acura's new 1-model-upsize trend, right? The TSX is the new TL, the TL is the new RL, and the RL is just a lamer version of the current TL. As for the nose; Acura wanted something that would instantly stand out. The 2012 TL's beak has been toned down from that of the '09
@suprakilzz26 The buzzkill is coming from the traction control system braking the slipping tires. It doesn't have much (if anything) to do with the all-wheel drive system. The Audi simply has a more aggressive TCS. --Ryan
@Veyronp87 Most super cars have a driving experience that is unique and completely different than driving a "normal" car. The A7 doesn't have that experience. It's an expensive car with some nice features but there is nothing that makes the driving experience "special" versus the Acura.
TL is an aspirated V6 vs Audi A7 tubrocharged V6. There is a big difference and that difference shows in the design and development of the power plant of the TL. TL is a very dynamic, driver oriented car with a mix of luxury and deliverable performance which an E class, 5 series and the A7/A6 cannot provide FOR the price tag each of these vehicles possess. From a competitors and the drivers point of view, ACURA really is a force to be reckoned with. True Story
I used to love the a7, but considering its tag, it's reliablity/repair prices I think a Acura will turn out better. Plus acuras would likely hold their value more over time. No hate on the Audi but I think the Acura TL AWD best fits me.
Fair enough, I guess everyone has their own preferences but for me, the Audi A7 is a thoroughbred winner; the car moves well beyond anything i've ever driven before and the amount of technology that this car has is just simply amazing, the first car with google earth maps, internet connectivity and its own WIFI network, this car is a stud.
Great Job in the review BTW, needless to say , the point of comparing a cheaper car to a more expensive one.. concluding that the cheaper one is better ( or almost equals ) proves how over-priced the second is and help consumer who cant afford the german cars make the right decision when buying a car
Dear presenters - pls get your facts correct 1. The engine in A7 is not the same as S4 - A7 has 310bhp and S4 333bhp 2. A7 is not a coupe - it is only coupe shape, but is a 4 err 5 door :-)
I have a 2004 Acura TL Type S that I bought new. It's the best car I've ever had, and it's still fun to drive even after nearly 10 years. It's time to get a new car, but it looks like Acura will not be making TL anymore. Instead, they're going to redesign it and release it as the TLX sometime next year. The Audi S6 is closer to the TL in price and performance, so when the time comes, I will be comparing and choosing between those two cars.
You're complaining that we didn't compare an option that wasn't on the car provided to a feature that is standard on the AWD version tested of the less expensive car? How does this show we don't know what we're talking about exactly?
I had a 2004 350 z(Enthusiast) with just 108 thousand on the dashboard. Never give me any major trouble. Kept the oil change(synthetic blend) amd lil minor problems here and there like any ordinary car. But unfortunately it got totaled. But i had my eyes om a Acura Tl SH AWD. Bought a 2012. And never look bck. One of the best sport sedan cars Acura have made. Just a beautiful car and the performance is on point.
Amen, I would never pay the premium that those badges bring when I can get cars like the acura/Honda which are just as good with lot more options and cost a whole lot less. Fact is that if you were to compare similarely priced cars like for example the acura vs any of the germans, the german would not even stand a small chance in that comparision because of the car/options the acura would offer compared to some base model, engineless, raw german counterpart!
the difference is monumental you troll..by using your analogy, I can ask you what the difference is between an Audi and a Volkswagen....The Acura TL feels much more luxurious even against a fully loaded Accord EX.
Horrible analogy. Just because you can't afford to eat at a lux restaurant doesn't mean you automatically enjoy Olive Garden. Taste (in food or cars) has nothing to do with financial status.
Just bought a TL SH-AWD with tech....you can't beat the value in comparison to Lexus, Infiniti, Audi, BMW, or Mercedes. This comparison was an attempt to compare the transmissions and drive systems....makes sense that the Audi would perform better given the price tag. At the end of the day is 25K worth a second a half? No thank you sir.
This review is pointless The Acura TL 41k vs. The Audi A7 75K I would much rather see a comparison between vehicles that are in the same price range. When you have a 34k difference in price your are suppose to win.
So, your saying the cheaper car shouldn't best the more expensive one in everything minus prestige, because, why? Price is better, AWD better, cheaper repair costs.. what's the problem?
(part 5) Performance?? Very little advantage on the TL (C&D test for both cars), and basically identical up to 130 mph.....identical braking numbers, the TL has better grip with the optional 19" performance tires....let's clarify that in the test on the video, the TL had the standard 18" all season rubber while the A7 I believe has the optional high performance tires..so that may explain the small "loss" on that track...
I have a 2012 Acura TL front drive and have buyers regret - minor regret. Should have gotten the SH AWD version since the front drive model under steers heavily. As a whole, I think I should have skipped Acura altogether. It's now 4 years old with 70,000 miles and hasn't aged well like my 2005 Mercedes E320 with 194,000 miles. My Mercedes is 11 years old or 7 years older than my Acura yet the Acura interior has a worn older look and feel. Reliability, my Mercedes has only had regular oil, brakes, tires and fluid - no timing belt since it uses a steel chain for the cams. My Acura however has had the passenger rear hub bearing replaced twice. Timing belt was changed at 50K at a tune of $650. Transmission was feeling slouchy so had the fluids changed twice. Windshield has had multiple chips and cracks that were fixed. Front lights have been changed at 49k miles. Bluetooth no longer works and audio system has distortion playing med loud volumes. The Mercedes body stiffness still feels solid and the ride is compliant and squeaky free. The Acura has softened up and doesn't feel solid like when I first got it. Also it makes small rattle and squeak sounds that come and go. I like the Acura and I think it has been a good reliable car but it's nowhere close to the refinement, quality, style, and specialness of my Mercedes. My kids, wife, boss, and friends enjoy being in my Mercedes significantly more than my Acura even though the Acura is much newer and it's current value is twice as much as the Mercedes. I intend to keep my Mercedes and give it to my daughters in two as their first vehicles. The Acura I will eventually sell or trade in for another Mercedes or BMW. This is not about bashing Acura, just coming from owning it and having the ability to A/B drive it against my Mercedes for 4 years...
hands down...not bad at all that the TL was only 1.5 seconds shorter than the A7...Being that the TL is heavier and is naturally aspirated it isn't a bad loss. Anyway, I feel that he drive the A7 a littler harder and have it more gas.
To all of the delightful people out there who have asked why I want a TL or TLX over a FWD V6 Accord, a “basic” $45,000 Acura almost tied with a $70,000 Audi in a handling course AND the Acura was a manual. How much more proof could you possibly need?????
i have an 2005 acura tl, it beats my dads 2003 a6 3.0 quattro in driving dynamics, personality, and speed. Its a teenager begging me to go faster while the a6 kinda feels like an old man nagging me to slow down. if u want a good family orientated sports car on a budget, look at a tl or nissan maxima. theyre both hella fun to drive, both are quite comfortable. and have many nice features too. and theyre are much more reliable than european cars. and as this vid shows, they can keep up with them 2
The TSX is NOT the new TL. The TL is the TL. The RL's were a tech. marvel, a "latest technology& features" BEST car of Acura. RL is "Redefined Luxury". TL is "Touring Luxury". The TSX and ILX are "civics" of Acura. To get back on topic, I drove both TL & A7, liked the TL more AND it came with a MT! I got the 2012 3.7L 305HP 6MT SH-AWD. AWESOME CAR. Glad I got it over the Audi. Audi's are nice, but VERY expensive to repair, and you WILL have to, and it WILL COST! Same with BMW. I've had two!
You can't compare those 2, they are not in the same price range, not the same layout and the Audi had the optional 20'' wheels, the Acura had the base 18'', not his optional 19''. It was interesting to see anyway, but the result means nothing.
BMW M3, M5, M6, B7? Audi S4, RS4, S5, RS5, R8, R8 GT? Mercedes SL, SLK, McLaren SLR? I'm sorry, but not only are German cars, but they are among the best sport cars in the world. R8 GT, that much luxury and still have a super car? SLR, capable of attaining nearly 210 MPH? M5, one of the fastest and best handling sedans you can get, if not THE best? Yea... In the 80s/90s and still today. Infiniti, Acura and Lexus are mere leeches.
I have defended Acura on every post for 3 years. My new car is an Audi.. My new 4 cylinder not only wins on gas mileage, but blows the door off on style. My fear for Acura is the upcoming Audi A3/ S3, along with the redesigned Audi A4 and S4. All of a sudden, my TL seems dated. Yes the Acura is dependable, but most purist who love style and technology will seek "more" over the next 3 years. Acura, please wake up. Torque is more important than horsepower. I gave the TL to my wife.
They may be overpriced to you, but I completely disagree. The finishing of German cars is superior, they use more premium materials, have a better residual value and in general the cars are more durable. I am willing to pay for that. Audi uses a lot of aluminium and carbon to reduce weight and optimize balance. Those are things you don't see from the outside. For the electrical argument: although the parts are being produced under Japanese supervision, they are engineered by the Germans.
One question. How do they choose which 2 cars to compete? It seems to me that the A6 would have been a better match for the TL. But, then again, I don't test cars everyday.
"The Audi is a coupe and this is a sedan"..."and they both have four doors" My mistake but I was under the impression that a coupe means a two door, and sedan meant four doors possibly 4 with a trunk, whereas a coupe might mean it has a rear hatch? Maybe I'm wrong 🤔
LOL I agree with you. Some of these hardcore fans need to go out and test both cars for themselves. Some are funny with saying "n/a V6 vs sc V6, and so on" . Do they even know one is 3.7L and the other is 3.0L? The tested car is an MT, which is around 3900lbs gives or takes, where as the low end A7 is around 4200lbs (I am being generous). BTW, I own 3 cars (3G TL, G35 coupe, 07 A6) and almost pulled the trigger on the Prestige A7 after tested these cars again. Went with a nicer house instead.
the point of all wheel drive is not to slide the back end out. the acura is rear-outside wheel bias through turns, in other words a fake torque vectoring. you're doing it wrong if quattro "failed." audi has been making all wheel drive cars for over 30 years. and the dsg transmission will shift smoother and faster than any human. vorsprung durch technik, through and through.
have driven and owned hondas/acuras and as much as I love the japanese reliablity that audi a7 is one remarkable machine that is worth every penny and then some.
9 years later my Acura Manual still keeps me smiling and not insanely expensive to keep running.
Some people buy cars based on emotion. Some people buy cars based on common-sense.
opejp And thank God I buy my cars based on "Common Sense" I'd guess that's why I stick with Infinites...😁
Well as for me I just straight out but a car because I can afford too...
Some people buy based on what they can afford, so don't buy an Audi if you can't afford it.
Lol and common sense always wins Everytime. Even if I can afford it I would always take the vehicle that will keep my money in my pocket
I used to love Audi I bought one nothing but problems breaking down part after part . I bought a Acura never look back in fact I bought 2 Acura because it's super reliable, cost less to maintain and blast to drive.
it's 2 years later, still feel the same?
@@kewlztertc5386
Yes matter I love it so I bought a Acura RL later TL and I still owned original 2 door coupe 2002 CLS.
They did an uphill battle between the S4, the EVO, and the TL with a professional driver. Surprisingly, the TL came on top despite having less power, no turbo, and a softer suspension. That tells a lot about the SH-AWD system, you can have a tL looking as modane as can be but still able to beat, pricey juiced up germans cars, and rally oriented beasts in the twisties.
Jimmy Bonne where's the video?
Adrian G look for it on their website
Jimmy Bonne where can I find this battle?
all the acura will ever need is an oil change. the audi will require a whole lot more $$$.
remember oil change and a transmission if its automatic (100k to 200k miles) depends on the driving and maintenance.
Just changed the oil in my Acura
Just changed my oil as well on my 2009 with 147k miles
On point
Well it the current stage the acura 3.7 engine turned out defective lmfao.
I love the look of the Audi but Acura never fails!
Audi maintenance sucks .. They should be a shame that the Acura is $20,000 less and performs better on the turns..
go drive the Acura, then drive the Honda... you will know the difference. Honda is Acura.. but they don't sell the same cars. That's like saying a Camry is the same as a GS350...
I love my GS350!
Great video.I have a 2012 TL and am enjoying the experience. While the European cars offer a wonderful driving expeince... I agree it is not worth $20K more than the Acura. It takes journalistic guts to pick an Acura over any of the exalted Bavarian cars. For me the reliablity and value of the Acura are more important than the slight edge the Audi has in the road experince
after buyng my first Acura TL i would never go back to VW or audi
im in the same boat! love my Acura! Will never ever drive my dad's audi.
I also love my TL
devin Espinoza mee tooooo 😍 love my 2009 TL I modded it to look so much better it's amazing
I can't wait to buy a 4g sh AWD soon :)
U sure u want 4th gen?
TL ALL THE WAY! AMAZING CAR!
acura > audi. your audi will break down after 4 weeks, the acura will keep going for 300k kilometers.
TL for me
An Audi will never outlast an Acura!! They're full of problems!!
Portia Moore Nobody ever said it would, you're missing the point, people who buy Audi don't buy them so that it could outlast a Honda. I bought my 93 Accord in 1993, it's tunned and runs top notch (H22). I bought my first Audi A4 3.0 in 2002 (currently 207k and still runs beautifully), and my 2nd Audi a month ago. I buy Audi for class, I've worked my ass off to able to afford them and their maintenance. But just like anything else, it will last long as long as you take care of it! Most anyone with a decent job can drive a Acura (current model), not everyone can drive a Audi (current model). I know, I use to be one.
wtf.. you started off with a great point but slowly took another direction. Acura's start at different price points just like Audi's do. You can either get an expensive Acura sedan (RLX) or get an entry level (ILX). Which is the same case for Audi's. I don't even understand your point, you buy an Audi because it's a 'class' car? You buy cars based on their price tag? You don't look at value? The argument in the video was of value. For 20k less and for 90% of the A7 you can get a TL. The TL and A7 are not even direct competitors as they start at different price ranges.
TheTitan1530 If I want value, gas mileage etc. I'd buy a Acura/Honda, which I've done. If I want class, I'd buy an Audi, Benz or Beamer. Never an Acura, My opinion. I just don't think of class when the name Acura comes to mind. And no I don't buy cars based on their price tag, that was retarded, I buy them based on the criteria that I have when shopping for one. If it fits my budget, I buy... Period! Oh, and if you're buying a TL, chances are that's because that's all that person can afford. If a person has A7 money, guess what? that person is getting an A7... Again... Period! And no... You're not getting 90% of an A7.. What are you high?
If that's your opinion that's fine. But saying people get Acura because that's all they're able to afford is beyond stupid and extremely arrogant. Idk if you watched the entire video but that's how he summed it up. TL offers 90% of what an A7. Forget a TL, it's discontinued. I really don't know where you got this idea that Acura is a cheap brand, maybe it's because you had a 92 accord and once you got the Audi it was a big upgrade, but that mentality just doesn't hold. A RLX entry model costs more than a A6, and little less than A7 (10k) which really isn't much. A NSX costs the same as a R8, so again, I really don't know where you got this idea that Acura is a cheap brand. It's one thing to say that you prefer german engineering, but it's another to say that people who get any other car than german are lesser people who aren't able to afford luxuries in life.
What's in your opinion class car?
To me, Acura is class car, no, not because it is more affordable, but because is stylish too. Everybody have own class, nothing wrong with that. All people like you, if it's german, you classy guy, what a BS.
I used to sell Audis and always loved the A7. An amazing car. I am a current owner of a 2012 TL SH-AWD and am pretty impressed with the car. Great power and great handling. Much better than I expected and the AWD seems every bit as good as what I've driven in the Audis. I wonder where this test would have ended up if he had driven the TL with an Auto transmission?
Zac Forbes auto way slower then 6mt. in a 1/4 mile tl 6mt does 13.7 auto will do mid 14s. almost a second in difference
Zac Forbes is it still true what most people say about Audi and issues?
thankyou for this video, I will buy a TL wright away. 1.5 differance and 22500$ less. And the reliability and the maintenace minder.... It's a no brainer.
i enjoy your urgency XD
If you lease cars, get the Audi. If you buy cars and keep them for a long time, get the Acura. I've had Acuras with over 330K on them that still drive like almost new. The few German cars I've owned felt like they had 330K on them when they only had 50K miles. The German cars are not made to last. They are a blast to drive though!
I drive a 2012 Porsche Carerra 2S , Cabriolet , I have owned several Acura's as winter cars and every day drivers , From a 2000 tl 2002 cl-s 20004 Tl - 2005 Tl 2006 Tl .. 2007 Infiniti G35x 2009 Infiniti G37x 2010 Mercedes C350 4matic ., and a 2011 Audi S-4 .. Without any comparison . The Acura is a much nicer car to own & drive I just Bought a 2012 Sh Awd tl .. its not about stature , its about intelligence & How much will I not lose when I change the car Reliablity & Dependability .Acura A-1
You should compare Audi A7 to Acura RL(X) and Audi A4 to Acura TL(X).
I think in both cases, Acura wins.
Is the TLX coming with 3.7L these days?
I know in 2012, it had that engine.
I have a 2010 TL SH-AWD A-Spec, there is no equivalent these days... 6 speed manual transmission, 305 hp and a Honda reliability, this is something you can't get these days.
I have the same one but not an A-Spec and I love it! I use only Shell premium and the only upgrade I've done is the air intake and a Sprint Booster. It's worth the money and it brings out the beast in your car.
Acura needs to step it up and use dohc direct injected i-vtec instead of sohc -_-
300+hp + 6 speed manual gearbox = performance vehicle
Where is the original race?
That's why we don't see Audi's on the road maintenance is terrible to all Audi lovers good luck with out of warranty.
speedtime Yup! You never see used Audis on the road. They're practically disposable.
Just got a 2007 rdx turbo and just have been all over youtube just watching sh awd do it thing love it. Still have 100 days of winter in Co love acura
any way, Acura's quality is has better than Audi's quality, no doubt......
Agreed
Ive had my 2012 TL(We call her the Black Pearl lol) for 6 years now and haven't had to do much of anything to her! I keep up with my regularly scheduled maintenance and she drives like a dream still to this day, with over 100 thousand miles...when she finally does poop out on me, guess what im getting? Another ACURA! duh! by far one of the most reliable auto makers!
any issues with tranny shifting gears very slowly?
I agree. I had had bmw's all my life and my current 335i is the last straw. The maintenance and headaches are not worth the beauty and joy to drive. Not just for bmw's, all german/european cars. Every one of them.
That said if a reliable japanese competitor comes close, it will definetely be on my next shopping list.
I agree as well. I owned 3 BMW's before I gave up. I just purchased a 2012 Acura TL with the SHAWD. My OH my what a machine, so fantastic. It turns and handles like a a porsche 911. Amazing amazing. Never going back to german again.
+bluesky German engineering is crap. Japanese reliability and performance all the way.
uhhhh technically its American since the TL is designed and built in the USA for the USA.
For the record, Japanese performance is not all that impressive..
joedogg9836
japanese and german > fucking ford and chevy
No matter how luxurious and powerful Audi is...Acura all the way
@CLtotheTL32 We can't always pick which cars we have and when. The A6 will be tested in January. --Ryan
Acura FTW!
I just got an Acura TL on Thursday! I absolutely LOVE it!!! This car is phenomenal when takes off. It slams my back up against the seat. I don't like the body style of the Audis but the tech inside is pretty nice but so is the Acura and at a much better value. I will take the Acura over Audi any day due to style, reliability, and price. The 2012 Acura TL is a great car!!! :)
So, the Audi has a Supercharged V6 and it's only slightly faster then the Acura is? HMMMM..
+John Vu The TL isn't supercharged but has almost an extra liter of engine displacement. 3.7 vs 3.0. Acura looks plan as hell too, you can't distinguish the side profile from a Toyota Camry. A7 looks sharp. Also SHAWD sucks, it's those electronic on-demand viscous coupling that relies on a computer to detect slip and babysit you. quattro is full time directly connected via torsen differential - no computer baby sitting you helping you steer your car gimmicks - just pure AWD.
EdGuila Good points but who cares how the AWD works as long as they work! I do consider both of these cars to have the best AWD systems though.
I care about the type of AWD because it doesn't turn on and off when a computer thinks it needs to. It's always on. So due to the torsen system, the differential increases and decreases torque between axles as it's needed. It doesn't wait until after a computer detects a slip to shift torque - that's if a computer notices it's slipping.
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The torsen will handle sudden surface changes better. Imagine a plash of ice on a dry road.
EdGuila , you obviously don't know what you are talking about. AWD on the TL is engaged AT ALL TIMES! Meaning torque is sent to all four wheels at all times, not just when slip is detected. Viscous coupling!? You mean Electromagnetic Clutch Packs!? Because they are not them same! Honda came up with a far more advanced AWD system than Audi when it came out, with true rear torque verctoring vs Audi's cheap and inneficient brake based setup.
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First off, the Acura/Honda 3.7L isn't ancient. Acura used the 3.2L for two whole generations of the TL, but the 3.7L just came on the scene with the new TL (from what I know at least). As far as "huge displacements (corrected)" go, 3.7 liters is hardly "huge"; it's only a fifth of a liter more than what is standard for a current V6. From what I gather, the extra 0.2 liters was to best Nissan's legendary VQ engine, but Nissan just up sized their motor to 3.7L to stay on top. VQ motor is king
You are aware of Acura's new 1-model-upsize trend, right? The TSX is the new TL, the TL is the new RL, and the RL is just a lamer version of the current TL. As for the nose; Acura wanted something that would instantly stand out. The 2012 TL's beak has been toned down from that of the '09
@suprakilzz26 The buzzkill is coming from the traction control system braking the slipping tires. It doesn't have much (if anything) to do with the all-wheel drive system. The Audi simply has a more aggressive TCS. --Ryan
this video only convinces me more going the acura route as my first car. cant wait to get my hands on that AWD '09 TL..
I love my MDX! Best first car ever!
Acura is way better
THATS WHY I BOUGHT THE TL... AND I LOVE IT
@Veyronp87 Most super cars have a driving experience that is unique and completely different than driving a "normal" car. The A7 doesn't have that experience. It's an expensive car with some nice features but there is nothing that makes the driving experience "special" versus the Acura.
ummmm..Acura TL looks so sexy
TL is an aspirated V6 vs Audi A7 tubrocharged V6. There is a big difference and that difference shows in the design and development of the power plant of the TL.
TL is a very dynamic, driver oriented car with a mix of luxury and deliverable performance which an E class, 5 series and the A7/A6 cannot provide FOR the price tag each of these vehicles possess.
From a competitors and the drivers point of view, ACURA really is a force to be reckoned with.
True Story
How about a re-rematch.....
Acura RLX sh-awd vs Audi A6 quattro
What a joke, redo so he can get the car he wants to win on a pylon course.....wow
I noticed your head is almost touching the ceiling in Audi. It's not for tall drivers?
I used to love the a7, but considering its tag, it's reliablity/repair prices I think a Acura will turn out better. Plus acuras would likely hold their value more over time. No hate on the Audi but I think the Acura TL AWD best fits me.
Fair enough, I guess everyone has their own preferences but for me, the Audi A7 is a thoroughbred winner; the car moves well beyond anything i've ever driven before and the amount of technology that this car has is just simply amazing, the first car with google earth maps, internet connectivity and its own WIFI network, this car is a stud.
SH-AWD and ACE BODY STRUCTURE....just cant beat it
Nobody in the world would chose a Honda over a Audi.
I know this is an old video but the first gen A7 is ageless and beautiful, there is no way I'm buying an outdated Acura over an Audi.
Great Job in the review BTW, needless to say , the point of comparing a cheaper car to a more expensive one.. concluding that the cheaper one is better ( or almost equals ) proves how over-priced the second is and help consumer who cant afford the german cars make the right decision when buying a car
I have 2012 TL but I love A7
Dear presenters - pls get your facts correct
1. The engine in A7 is not the same as S4 - A7 has 310bhp and S4 333bhp
2. A7 is not a coupe - it is only coupe shape, but is a 4 err 5 door :-)
I have a 2004 Acura TL Type S that I bought new. It's the best car I've ever had, and it's still fun to drive even after nearly 10 years. It's time to get a new car, but it looks like Acura will not be making TL anymore. Instead, they're going to redesign it and release it as the TLX sometime next year. The Audi S6 is closer to the TL in price and performance, so when the time comes, I will be comparing and choosing between those two cars.
Buy what you like at the end of the day ok but the smart buy would be the TL 20k less saving money is always good last time I checked.
You're complaining that we didn't compare an option that wasn't on the car provided to a feature that is standard on the AWD version tested of the less expensive car? How does this show we don't know what we're talking about exactly?
Japan makes better budget cars than Germany
I had a 2004 350 z(Enthusiast) with just 108 thousand on the dashboard. Never give me any major trouble. Kept the oil change(synthetic blend) amd lil minor problems here and there like any ordinary car. But unfortunately it got totaled. But i had my eyes om a Acura Tl SH AWD. Bought a 2012. And never look bck. One of the best sport sedan cars Acura have made. Just a beautiful car and the performance is on point.
Amen, I would never pay the premium that those badges bring when I can get cars like the acura/Honda which are just as good with lot more options and cost a whole lot less. Fact is that if you were to compare similarely priced cars like for example the acura vs any of the germans, the german would not even stand a small chance in that comparision because of the car/options the acura would offer compared to some base model, engineless, raw german counterpart!
the difference is monumental you troll..by using your analogy, I can ask you what the difference is between an Audi and a Volkswagen....The Acura TL feels much more luxurious even against a fully loaded Accord EX.
Love this versus. Just wish he did it in both Automatics.
Horrible analogy. Just because you can't afford to eat at a lux restaurant doesn't mean you automatically enjoy Olive Garden. Taste (in food or cars) has nothing to do with financial status.
Just bought a TL SH-AWD with tech....you can't beat the value in comparison to Lexus, Infiniti, Audi, BMW, or Mercedes. This comparison was an attempt to compare the transmissions and drive systems....makes sense that the Audi would perform better given the price tag. At the end of the day is 25K worth a second a half? No thank you sir.
WoW, we do own Hondas and Acuras in both sides of my families but some of you Honda and Acura fans should go test out the new A6 and A7.
This review is pointless
The Acura TL 41k vs. The Audi A7 75K
I would much rather see a comparison between vehicles that are in the same price range. When you have a 34k difference in price your are suppose to win.
So, your saying the cheaper car shouldn't best the more expensive one in everything minus prestige, because, why? Price is better, AWD better, cheaper repair costs.. what's the problem?
I agree. He wasn't driving the stick that well.
SHAWD is best right now, every car reviewers and journalists know that.
@DannyZRC yah it does the advance package gives those high performance wheels and tires
where i find the video audi s4 VS 2011 acura tl ?
i look and look don't find it .
2010 RL 300+hp I love my car fully loaded..
If they perfected the 370hp SH-AWD Electric Acura RLX, it will be an A7 killer.
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Performance?? Very little advantage on the TL (C&D test for both cars), and basically identical up to 130 mph.....identical braking numbers, the TL has better grip with the optional 19" performance tires....let's clarify that in the test on the video, the TL had the standard 18" all season rubber while the A7 I believe has the optional high performance tires..so that may explain the small "loss" on that track...
if you wanted to slide you push the button on the centerconsole turns off traction control and stability program
You get the SH-AWD trim level? The new TL body seems too heavy for just a 3.5L (well if you are really going for performance that is).
why would u launch with traction control..
I have a 2012 Acura TL front drive and have buyers regret - minor regret. Should have gotten the SH AWD version since the front drive model under steers heavily. As a whole, I think I should have skipped Acura altogether. It's now 4 years old with 70,000 miles and hasn't aged well like my 2005 Mercedes E320 with 194,000 miles. My Mercedes is 11 years old or 7 years older than my Acura yet the Acura interior has a worn older look and feel. Reliability, my Mercedes has only had regular oil, brakes, tires and fluid - no timing belt since it uses a steel chain for the cams. My Acura however has had the passenger rear hub bearing replaced twice. Timing belt was changed at 50K at a tune of $650. Transmission was feeling slouchy so had the fluids changed twice. Windshield has had multiple chips and cracks that were fixed. Front lights have been changed at 49k miles. Bluetooth no longer works and audio system has distortion playing med loud volumes. The Mercedes body stiffness still feels solid and the ride is compliant and squeaky free. The Acura has softened up and doesn't feel solid like when I first got it. Also it makes small rattle and squeak sounds that come and go. I like the Acura and I think it has been a good reliable car but it's nowhere close to the refinement, quality, style, and specialness of my Mercedes. My kids, wife, boss, and friends enjoy being in my Mercedes significantly more than my Acura even though the Acura is much newer and it's current value is twice as much as the Mercedes. I intend to keep my Mercedes and give it to my daughters in two as their first vehicles. The Acura I will eventually sell or trade in for another Mercedes or BMW. This is not about bashing Acura, just coming from owning it and having the ability to A/B drive it against my Mercedes for 4 years...
Started well beyond the line with the Audi. C'monn. Acura is faster.
hands down...not bad at all that the TL was only 1.5 seconds shorter than the A7...Being that the TL is heavier and is naturally aspirated it isn't a bad loss. Anyway, I feel that he drive the A7 a littler harder and have it more gas.
To all of the delightful people out there who have asked why I want a TL or TLX over a FWD V6 Accord, a “basic” $45,000 Acura almost tied with a $70,000 Audi in a handling course AND the Acura was a manual. How much more proof could you possibly need?????
I don't get why these cars are being compared. The base price for the A7 is around $17k MORE than a SH-AWD TL.
Why was the A7 chosen over the A6?
Like The tune at the beginning
i have an 2005 acura tl, it beats my dads 2003 a6 3.0 quattro in driving dynamics, personality, and speed. Its a teenager begging me to go faster while the a6 kinda feels like an old man nagging me to slow down. if u want a good family orientated sports car on a budget, look at a tl or nissan maxima. theyre both hella fun to drive, both are quite comfortable. and have many nice features too. and theyre are much more reliable than european cars. and as this vid shows, they can keep up with them 2
The TSX is NOT the new TL. The TL is the TL. The RL's were a tech. marvel, a "latest technology& features" BEST car of Acura. RL is "Redefined Luxury". TL is "Touring Luxury". The TSX and ILX are "civics" of Acura. To get back on topic, I drove both TL & A7, liked the TL more AND it came with a MT! I got the 2012 3.7L 305HP 6MT SH-AWD. AWESOME CAR. Glad I got it over the Audi. Audi's are nice, but VERY expensive to repair, and you WILL have to, and it WILL COST! Same with BMW. I've had two!
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They are both great cars, buy whatever you like
So let me get this straight... the Audi is faster, larger, better steering feel, more stable yet you prefer the honda? great review.
You can't compare those 2, they are not in the same price range, not the same layout and the Audi had the optional 20'' wheels, the Acura had the base 18'', not his optional 19''.
It was interesting to see anyway, but the result means nothing.
BMW M3, M5, M6, B7? Audi S4, RS4, S5, RS5, R8, R8 GT? Mercedes SL, SLK, McLaren SLR? I'm sorry, but not only are German cars, but they are among the best sport cars in the world. R8 GT, that much luxury and still have a super car? SLR, capable of attaining nearly 210 MPH? M5, one of the fastest and best handling sedans you can get, if not THE best?
Yea... In the 80s/90s and still today. Infiniti, Acura and Lexus are mere leeches.
I have defended Acura on every post for 3 years. My new car is an Audi.. My new 4 cylinder not only wins on gas mileage, but blows the door off on style. My fear for Acura is the upcoming Audi A3/ S3, along with the redesigned Audi A4 and S4. All of a sudden, my TL seems dated. Yes the Acura is dependable, but most purist who love style and technology will seek "more" over the next 3 years. Acura, please wake up. Torque is more important than horsepower. I gave the TL to my wife.
No it's like saying the camry is the same as the ES350 model...and yes i've driven and owned both hondas and acuras and they are the same
They may be overpriced to you, but I completely disagree. The finishing of German cars is superior, they use more premium materials, have a better residual value and in general the cars are more durable. I am willing to pay for that.
Audi uses a lot of aluminium and carbon to reduce weight and optimize balance. Those are things you don't see from the outside.
For the electrical argument: although the parts are being produced under Japanese supervision, they are engineered by the Germans.
One question. How do they choose which 2 cars to compete? It seems to me that the A6 would have been a better match for the TL. But, then again, I don't test cars everyday.
I like the Audi A7 so much. It looks so pretty. But in terms of practicality and price, the Acura wins this one.
The Audi started above the cones, while the Acura was further back...
"The Audi is a coupe and this is a sedan"..."and they both have four doors"
My mistake but I was under the impression that a coupe means a two door, and sedan meant four doors possibly 4 with a trunk, whereas a coupe might mean it has a rear hatch? Maybe I'm wrong 🤔
LOL I agree with you. Some of these hardcore fans need to go out and test both cars for themselves.
Some are funny with saying "n/a V6 vs sc V6, and so on" . Do they even know one is 3.7L and the other is 3.0L? The tested car is an MT, which is around 3900lbs gives or takes, where as the low end A7 is around 4200lbs (I am being generous).
BTW, I own 3 cars (3G TL, G35 coupe, 07 A6) and almost pulled the trigger on the Prestige A7 after tested these cars again. Went with a nicer house instead.
the point of all wheel drive is not to slide the back end out. the acura is rear-outside wheel bias through turns, in other words a fake torque vectoring. you're doing it wrong if quattro "failed." audi has been making all wheel drive cars for over 30 years. and the dsg transmission will shift smoother and faster than any human. vorsprung durch technik, through and through.
The A7 is NOT a coupe ! The guy calls the A7 a coupe and then says it has 4 doors less then 8 secs later.
have driven and owned hondas/acuras and as much as I love the japanese reliablity that audi a7 is one remarkable machine that is worth every penny and then some.