This is gold and should have 100x views ... As a reformed birdie chaser, thanks to Scott and Decade, I'll keep watching this , so it continues to sink in.... The last stats at the very end hit home hard, how the majority of improved scoring average is by mostly avoiding bogeys!!
When average club golfers chip out they could easily have well over 150 yards left. Still tough to make a bogey from that distance if youre hitting a 6 iron or so.
@@kc8923correct. The only way to average a bogey from the trees is for the third shot to be on or close to the green, which is not easy for high handicappers.
Pure gold. The Pro stats are eye opening. 1.5 shots from 8'. Just illustrates why the best players are better mentally. It really is a game played in the head.
Scott Fawcett is the best thing that happened to PLAYING golf since metal iron heads! Also, yes, I love to practice and am nourished by little things that I learn, problems solvef, little backhanded compliments from other guys... The advice to work on speed control away from the course is great advice. I actually got really good unintentionally while practicing at a big box golf store (I worked 4 hours/wk) on a 30 foot flat surface wuth 4 holes. I got so consistent that I would demonstrate all the various putter brands and styles to shiw buyers that you hsd to get nesr the hole, and expect to make a PERCENTAGE, not every roll. Thank you men - and a tip of the hat to Scott for his self effacing humor.
This is my 4th season running traditional stats on my game and my stats back up what Scott and Luke are talking about. First, more pars correlate to better scores (0.67), second, fewer bogies correlates to better scores (0.62). Next is doubles (0.52) and last is birdies (-0.50). Greens in regulation correlates to pars (0.56). I'm averaging 6.4 bogies per round and 1.0 doubles. I agree that there are problems with these black and white stats otherwise the correlations would be stronger. Tigers 5 stats I think reflect mental mistakes which we all need to eliminate from our games. But even traditional stats show us that it is more productive to be eliminating mistakes than chasing birdies. FWIW, my sample size is 107 games.
It’s cool as time goes on how Tigers mental game gets the shine. Like during his run everyone was like yea he’s so smart with golf but it’s cool to think about how profound and the awareness it took to even develop the Tiger 5 and playing aggressively to his spots, etc. in the moment
Listen to Scott, watch his content and playing with players. Fall asleep to Fawcett. It will sink in, and the great part is course management compounds better shots because you’re less stressed. Like 99% of sports you play better relaxed.
Guys who spend hours on the range hitting full shots get on the course and lay up to a 3/4 wedge that they have never practiced. Lay up to a full wedge and aim at middle of the green. A tap-in par has incalculable value to your score. Splashing out of heavy rough then sinking a 12' putt for par feels good but drains your tank and sets you up for a meltdown.
This is great stuff and love the discussions but it seems like a fundamental flaw using professions aggregated data for weekend warriors. Would be like using an MLB pitchers pitch data for some weekend guy in a rec league
For me- when I try to leave puts short, I leave them short , so now I have another downhill knee knocker. You’re better off trying to make the putt. They end up closer to the hole even when you miss
I disagree. Miracle shots don’t win 82 PGA events and 15 majors. You have to have a level of consistency and mindfulness that few people possess to achieve those things. Besides, most of the field isn’t playing with Tiger and they don’t see those occasional miracles. For the guys playing with him - now that’s another story.
I’m ok with 99% of this but there is no way you can get me to think leaving a put short is ok. The stats might prove otherwise but for my mental game no way. This works when you ignore the if you leave it short you miss 100% every time stat. I believe I can make every putt I see and I will never change that.
It would be interesting to see how many times you've made a 40 footer vs the number of times you 3 putted from beyond the hole. You're probably a great putter and that's why you have this mentality. I on the other hand have to lag from 20 feet lol.
I’ve always believed in leaving putts short. Someone once said to picture a hula hoop around the hole and try to just hit the ball into that. It almost has erased 3 putts for me. Almost*
Doing things like this can destroy the joy of golf…most of us are not pros who have endless hours to work on every aspect of our game…having played for over 40 years now, finally figured out how to enjoy golf…focus on what you enjoy and forget the score…I’m about a 10 HCPer, but for my putting, I’d be closer to 6 or 7…so, I can spend time working on my putting, but I’d give up working on my chipping and irons, which I enjoy (don’t enjoy putting as much)…My driving is sporadic, but can’t hit more than 5-10 drivers in a session due to some back issues…so, I practice my irons and wedges…when I play a round, I focus on how many pure iron shots I hit, and how many perfect chips I hit…that’s it…I played a mountain course last week that I hadn’t played before last week and shot 90…I had four 3 putt and over shot the green on a bunch due to the elevation changes I wasn’t used to…but, I hit a bunch of absolutely pure irons exactly how I intended, and had some really good chips, but was often in bad spots around the greens…I used to get pissed at rounds like that, but why? If you’re an aspiring tour player or college player and get practice all aspects of the game, I agree, all these little stats you want to track are absolutely critical to shooting lower scores…but, to increase the enjoyment of the game, I think the masses should be more realistic as to what constitutes a good round of golf and re-focus…If you love hitting driver and putting, have fun practicing those and just survive your way to the green with your irons and wedges and enjoy the 300+ bombs you hit, or the long putts you made…
If you’re able to forget your score and enjoy yourself no matter what, I agree with you that tracking stats and trying to improve is a waste of time. Congratulations on enlightenment.
Great, then tracking stats isn’t for you. But plenty of people want to get better and actually find enjoyment going through the process of getting better. If you’ve given up on that, then good for you.
@@evandh1989 Agreed. Just making sure people know there are other options…golf influencers/golf media/etc…are all pushing tracking stats and digging into the numbers, and I’m just pointing out it may not be for everyone…hence, I prefaced my comment with “can”….Nothing wrong with just playing and not tracking every little part of your game…I love data and use it a lot in the off season when I’m testing clubs, balls, or making a swing change…nothing wrong with it…
Not really a fair arena when the title is about stats when Luke's bread and butter is more kinesiology and speed training and Scott is a full time stats nut
This is gold and should have 100x views ... As a reformed birdie chaser, thanks to Scott and Decade, I'll keep watching this , so it continues to sink in.... The last stats at the very end hit home hard, how the majority of improved scoring average is by mostly avoiding bogeys!!
When average club golfers chip out they could easily have well over 150 yards left. Still tough to make a bogey from that distance if youre hitting a 6 iron or so.
@@kc8923correct. The only way to average a bogey from the trees is for the third shot to be on or close to the green, which is not easy for high handicappers.
Pure gold. The Pro stats are eye opening. 1.5 shots from 8'. Just illustrates why the best players are better mentally. It really is a game played in the head.
Scott Fawcett is the best thing that happened to PLAYING golf since metal iron heads! Also, yes, I love to practice and am nourished by little things that I learn, problems solvef, little backhanded compliments from other guys... The advice to work on speed control away from the course is great advice. I actually got really good unintentionally while practicing at a big box golf store (I worked 4 hours/wk) on a 30 foot flat surface wuth 4 holes. I got so consistent that I would demonstrate all the various putter brands and styles to shiw buyers that you hsd to get nesr the hole, and expect to make a PERCENTAGE, not every roll.
Thank you men - and a tip of the hat to Scott for his self effacing humor.
Scott has some great info! That sounds like a great way to get good at speed control!!
FAR too kind, but THANK YOU!!!
True, but he needs a beard
This is my 4th season running traditional stats on my game and my stats back up what Scott and Luke are talking about. First, more pars correlate to better scores (0.67), second, fewer bogies correlates to better scores (0.62). Next is doubles (0.52) and last is birdies (-0.50). Greens in regulation correlates to pars (0.56). I'm averaging 6.4 bogies per round and 1.0 doubles. I agree that there are problems with these black and white stats otherwise the correlations would be stronger. Tigers 5 stats I think reflect mental mistakes which we all need to eliminate from our games. But even traditional stats show us that it is more productive to be eliminating mistakes than chasing birdies. FWIW, my sample size is 107 games.
This is a brilliant episode from Scott.
Always enjoy chatting with Scott!
THANKS!!!
I hope you continue making content more regularly. I enjoy your stuff.
Really appreciate the feedback!! We're hoping to do more.
Amazing content. Very helpful, cheers.
Well done
Appreciate the watch
This is absolutely fantastic content. Thanks for posting this.
Glad you enjoyed it!
this video was incredible!
It’s cool as time goes on how Tigers mental game gets the shine. Like during his run everyone was like yea he’s so smart with golf but it’s cool to think about how profound and the awareness it took to even develop the Tiger 5 and playing aggressively to his spots, etc. in the moment
Listen to Scott, watch his content and playing with players. Fall asleep to Fawcett. It will sink in, and the great part is course management compounds better shots because you’re less stressed. Like 99% of sports you play better relaxed.
Great video! Maybe me but I couldn’t find the pdf you talked about at the end of the video
Head over to the Decade website and you can find it there!
so happy to see I've been playing this way(the right way) of golf my whole life..again I'm only a 5 handicap. great simple content
Guys who spend hours on the range hitting full shots get on the course and lay up to a 3/4 wedge that they have never practiced. Lay up to a full wedge and aim at middle of the green.
A tap-in par has incalculable value to your score. Splashing out of heavy rough then sinking a 12' putt for par feels good but drains your tank and sets you up for a meltdown.
This is great stuff and love the discussions but it seems like a fundamental flaw using professions aggregated data for weekend warriors. Would be like using an MLB pitchers pitch data for some weekend guy in a rec league
For me- when I try to leave puts short, I leave them short , so now I have another downhill knee knocker. You’re better off trying to make the putt. They end up closer to the hole even when you miss
I can't find the stat for odds of hitting the flagstick on a par 3 or reachable par 4! Are they the same as a HIO?
Some of my stats in a round would shock people, 4 pars, 2 birdies, 2.3 putts per hole, +23.
It's all about keeping doubles and higher off the scorecard! Making bogey is just fine. Don't make a double!
I believe that Tiger is so great because he delivered miracle shots under pressure to crush the opponent's morale. Period.
I disagree. Miracle shots don’t win 82 PGA events and 15 majors. You have to have a level of consistency and mindfulness that few people possess to achieve those things. Besides, most of the field isn’t playing with Tiger and they don’t see those occasional miracles. For the guys playing with him - now that’s another story.
what do they mean by 2 chips per round?
The number of times that you miss a green with a chip and have to chip again.
At the end of the day I think Scott might be an actuarial scientist of golf
He has some great insights that have helped a TON of golfers.
I’m ok with 99% of this but there is no way you can get me to think leaving a put short is ok. The stats might prove otherwise but for my mental game no way. This works when you ignore the if you leave it short you miss 100% every time stat. I believe I can make every putt I see and I will never change that.
It would be interesting to see how many times you've made a 40 footer vs the number of times you 3 putted from beyond the hole. You're probably a great putter and that's why you have this mentality. I on the other hand have to lag from 20 feet lol.
I’ve always believed in leaving putts short. Someone once said to picture a hula hoop around the hole and try to just hit the ball into that. It almost has erased 3 putts for me. Almost*
@@mistahshorthitteranything outside 8ft is the same as a 20 footer to me so I lag em always. I’m with ya
@@lancemanchester605 I agree with that!
I agree, but i just imagine a hole roughly the size of the hole... aim small miss small. Same theory, smaller target. @@lancemanchester605
Playing sim golf forces you to learn speed control based off distance
What is meant by “no bogeys within 150 yards”??
If it was 88 instead of 85, i'm on it!!! 12 handicap golfers can easily 3 putt from 15 feet!!
Rory McIroy needs to watch this.
I tried to buy this application as a neurodivergent person. The experience was confusing, frustrating, and unsupportive.
Doing things like this can destroy the joy of golf…most of us are not pros who have endless hours to work on every aspect of our game…having played for over 40 years now, finally figured out how to enjoy golf…focus on what you enjoy and forget the score…I’m about a 10 HCPer, but for my putting, I’d be closer to 6 or 7…so, I can spend time working on my putting, but I’d give up working on my chipping and irons, which I enjoy (don’t enjoy putting as much)…My driving is sporadic, but can’t hit more than 5-10 drivers in a session due to some back issues…so, I practice my irons and wedges…when I play a round, I focus on how many pure iron shots I hit, and how many perfect chips I hit…that’s it…I played a mountain course last week that I hadn’t played before last week and shot 90…I had four 3 putt and over shot the green on a bunch due to the elevation changes I wasn’t used to…but, I hit a bunch of absolutely pure irons exactly how I intended, and had some really good chips, but was often in bad spots around the greens…I used to get pissed at rounds like that, but why? If you’re an aspiring tour player or college player and get practice all aspects of the game, I agree, all these little stats you want to track are absolutely critical to shooting lower scores…but, to increase the enjoyment of the game, I think the masses should be more realistic as to what constitutes a good round of golf and re-focus…If you love hitting driver and putting, have fun practicing those and just survive your way to the green with your irons and wedges and enjoy the 300+ bombs you hit, or the long putts you made…
If you’re able to forget your score and enjoy yourself no matter what, I agree with you that tracking stats and trying to improve is a waste of time. Congratulations on enlightenment.
Ok then dont do it
Nope, golf is about the lowest score possible
Great, then tracking stats isn’t for you. But plenty of people want to get better and actually find enjoyment going through the process of getting better. If you’ve given up on that, then good for you.
@@evandh1989 Agreed. Just making sure people know there are other options…golf influencers/golf media/etc…are all pushing tracking stats and digging into the numbers, and I’m just pointing out it may not be for everyone…hence, I prefaced my comment with “can”….Nothing wrong with just playing and not tracking every little part of your game…I love data and use it a lot in the off season when I’m testing clubs, balls, or making a swing change…nothing wrong with it…
More of Luke Benoit, less of Scott Fawcett. At least a goal of 50/50 contribution, my goodness.
Not really a fair arena when the title is about stats when Luke's bread and butter is more kinesiology and speed training and Scott is a full time stats nut
Both guys have a lot of great insights to share!
Tiger used to nuke his wedges early in his career. Much better control with his wedges later.
Playing too smart targets is key.