@@ARQP000 Basically, the original occupants of Cyrodil. They had a civil war over whether to worship the Aedra (basically the eight divines. Tiber Septim/Talos hadn't even been born yet.) or two specific deadra. The deadra side won- they even had a "demigod", basically a half deadra. The deadra in question would be Molag Bal and Miridia. Molag bal, the Deadric prince of Slavery, corruption, and domination and Miridia, the deadric prince of life. As you might expect, their culture was *incredibly* fucked up. They got Genocided by Pelinal Whitestrake and saint Allesia who founded the first empire ages ago. Pelinal might have been an incarnation of Lorkhan/Shor, who is the god that made mankind way back when. His reason for genociding the elves basically boils down to "they killed my boyfriend". Mind you, Huna was a soldier, who died in battle. But apparently, that was reason enough to Pelinal to go on a blood crazed rampage where he killed every man, woman, and child he encountered- including an unfortunate tribe of Khajit who he happened to come across. He'd die confronting the high lords of the Ayelids while insulting their ancestors. But not before he killed their Demi-god Umaril the Unfeathered.
Damn the altmer would know you,your dad, your granddad, your great granddad, your great great granddad, and your great great great granddad. Imagine an altmer as a guardian of your family
@@leediaz5690 i think he meant know as in knowing your ancestor so like in this case an elf made a promise with a human to protect their bloodline he would meet that humans great great great great grandson, not necessarily reproducing just watching over like a pet
@@sheogorath6834 but he's still alive, so it counts. And you really think that the others didn't have some way to extend their lifespan? Just because he lived that long because of a god, doesn't mean he should be excluded. The others have only lived as long as they have by using magic to unnaturally extend their lifespan. There's no way to naturally live 4,000 years. Not in Skyrim, and not in real life either. Not unless you're a tree.
@OccultEclipse it's technically Xenophia. Even a High Elf v Wood Elf thing would be Xenophia. But that at least would be closer to racism then humans being against Elves. Overusing the word racism, trivializes those who face it.
The hero-god Phynaster discovered a way of walking that prolonged his life. He then went on to teach the altmer that by shortening ones stride they could live a few hundred years longer.
You forgot to mention Divayth Fyr, who basically lived through the time right after or even during the battle of red mountain, and even managed to befriend the only living dwemer to be seen in the series
@@infinitybreak4459 Yeah, I guess that makes sense but do you think, that the reason Mers live longer than humans is because they are the most prolific magic users? Like, just the potency of the magicka residing in their bodies extends their lifespan regardless of how much they use actual spells, combined with how intune they are with the magics of environments they adapted to in nature
@ItsChevnotJeff theres a lot of theories about it, some date back to the creation of Mundas and the War between Lorkhan and the Et'ada where supposedly Lorkhan made humanity to fight them. Elves are the descendents of Auriel and the Et'ada so they by default have more magic bound to them but humanity was made for war and are not as in tune so this may play a part in the difference in lifespans.
@@infinitybreak4459 I never actually knew that humans were specifically bred to fight Mer, no wonder there is so much strife in between the races, Ngl learning lore about Elder Scrolls is very fascinating
@ItsChevnotJeff its a theory mostly supported by extended noncannon texts, but it's interesting! Look up "Shor son of Shor". it's confusing but a good read. Also "children of the sky" supports this patrially by saying that Kyne made mankind by breathing down from the throat of the world, and we know Kyne loved Lorkhan considering Shor (nordic Lorkhan) was Kyne's (nordic kynareth) husband.
Bethesda should’ve added more races for adoptable kids. An elf should probably choose elven kids so he/she gets to live with them for centuries and does not outlive them.
There are also the Falmer, who are shown in both Blackreach and in the Dawnguard DLC of Skyrim that they can live for thousands of years, even while being twisted by the Dwemer's trickery, and the Orsimer, who are known to have the shortest elven lifespan of ~70 ish years
About the Falmer? Snow elves definitely had very extended lifespans, but the twisted Falmer? I don't think I have seen any mention of their lifespan at all, then again, I might have overlooked some mention and cannot ask them, as they are not exactly very talkative.
The Altmer of the Psijic order are very long lived, the Ritemaster Iachesis is somewhere in the thousands and Vanus Galerion the Altmer who founded the mage’s guild was also a millennium old or more
I just read a lorebook in ESO wherein a Red Guard reigned as a king for about ~150 years, and that was just a commoner and we have no idea how long he was alive before then. So basically everyone in TES can live for hundreds of years.
Divayth Fyr lived over 4,000 years, and may still be alive as of Skyrim for all we know. He's obviously exceptional though seeing as he's one of the strongest mages in history. Gelebor was also 4,000 years or older, and he didn't seem to be a particularly gifted mage. Maybe the falmer were naturally long lived, or he had some special benefits due to his position.
Dwemer: vibes as the unaging brass skin of Numidium Falmer: could live long enough as long as the Dwemer does not see them Maormer: i cri Left-handed elves: lived too soon for the next kalpa, lived too late to survive the next kalpa
What about the Bretons? Obviously they wouldn't live as long as other elves because they're human/elf hybrids but they would most likely live longer than humans.
It actually might be the opposite weirdly enough. The only actual info we get on Breton age is a line where someone says another person "aged like a Breton" implying they actually age faster than other human races.
@@wishbone346maybe bretons just age bad? Like a 60yr old one is all gnarled and wrinkled and an 80 year old one got long twisted fingers and long drooping noses and ears almost skeletal
@@wishbone346 Or they mean that a person has aged badly. Commonly, when humans get old, we get shorter and wrinkled. I'm guessing Bretons, being mostly human, age as poorly as most of us do, or maybe they just show more of their aging faster than most full blooded humans. Maybe the saying "Aged like a Breton" means you're showing your age or you've gotten shorter. You can imagine most Bretons would be looked at as much younger than their ages for most of their life because of their smaller frames and softer features. Then as they get older they get the features of age (wrinkles) while still looking physically like a young adult. Maybe the saying is used more because their aging doesn't seem natural compared to other humans. I haven't seen anything in the lore to support it but I would guess they live slightly longer than most humans, maybe an extra 20-50 years at most(not accounting for an unexpected end or sickness/disease taking them first).
@@wishbone346 Imo it's the contrary. When you say that someone "age like a breton" it mean that they seems younger than their age. Fun fact: Delphine is 50 year old in Skyrim (she's a breton)
@@sheogorath6834 Tbf Saadia would also have to be in her mid 40s to early 50s at least as well despite not looking it at all and she's a Redguard. So I think not looking your age is just something that happens in Tamriel.
Now I’m imaging an Altmer who’s like 500 years old and is so afraid of death he becomes a Vampire, and eventually uses magic to extend his lifespan even further.
@@wolffrdu6463 They reach physical maturity at around the same age as men however mer under ~100 would be considered mentally immature by members of their own race :)
Wasn't the whole reason the Snow Elves finally decided to attack the first men of Tamriel in Skyrim, because they began to realize that Men matured and reproduced faster and in greater numbers than Elves or at least Snow Elves? Therefore they would eventually outnumber the Elves and pose a threat.
Snow Elves are a weird case. The very little we know about their age is how they can seemingly live for thousands of years as seen in Knight-Paladin Gelebor. It's said the Atmorans had a reproduced much faster but it's highly plausible that falmer matured slower than even other elven races due to their seemingly endless lifespan
I was gonna say the dunmer and altmer have well into the thousands range. Not to mention the snow elf....Holy crap. The snow elf in the sanctuary where you find 2 of them....and that was well beyond a single millennium...I know this shite too well to not know what I'm saying
Most Dark Elves live to a few hundred years without magical intervention. And then there's Divayth Fyr whose magic has sustained him for THOUSANDS of years.
@Iskaid theoretically, yes, but it wouldn't make sense lore wise In Oblivion, the Neravarine is said to be away on an expedition to Akivir but you could make the headcannon that this is a coverup and you're playing them in Cyrodiil but the issue is the Neravarine is impervious to disease so you'd have to give them 100 percent diseas resistance. The other snag is the hero of Kvatch, who becomes Sheogorath at the end of the shivering isles (who you interact with and talks about the main quest and thieves guild questline) so itd make no sense unless you came up with a valid way to rationalize this in your playthroughs EDIT: Also, considering the Neravarine is impervious to aging via the modified Corpus disease they get, and them being able to be any race or gender, could potentially be any race really by the time of Skyrim (which is only 200ish years after morrowind if im not mistaken)
@Iskaid you don't necessarily "become" the Sheogorath you see immediately, you mantle him and slowly morph into him with time, you can still finish Oblivion after shivering isles but after the ecents of the game are over its implied your character stays in the shivering isles and slowly turns into the Sheogorath we all know
@@infinitybreak4459 Interesting, so the mad god you meet in Skyrim is actually the Hero of Kwatch in a timeline where he helped Sheogorath stop the Grey March. But because there was a dragon break, there were also timelines where that didn't happen and the Hero of Kwatch lived on as himself or herself.
@Iskaid i never considered how there were other dragonbreaks beyond the one in daggerfall, obviously there were ones before such as the middle dawn but i never thought of potential ones that explained the vagueness of each games ending and the actions each protagonist takes
Isn't there a different answer to this question depending on how active they are in the Aldmeri Dominion? "Can't leave well enough alone" is a leading cause of death, after all.
Don't forget about the snow elf in the forgotten vale. He's like 4,000 years old. And he's still very much alive after the end of the game, unlike his vampire brother.
@@treyphillips7668 probably because you only encounter him in a single quest as part of the dawnguard DLC. I have the benefit of being physically unable to forget, so I of course remembered him. But the majority don't have total recall, so they forget things...how exactly does one actually get used to that? My version of forgetting is just not being able to immediately recall a piece of information. My older memories end up buried under my newer ones, so I need a trigger to jar my brain and shake the older memory loose in order to recall it. But I can still FEEL the memory inside my mind. I'm never completely locked out of my memories. It may sound weird to you, but forgetting things sounds weird to me. Reality is what we make of it after all.
Meanwhile, the Orsimer live around 40-60 years on average, prefering to die via death by adventurer or by having one of their children kill them to become the next chief of their stronghold. They can live as long as 150 years, however, as evidenced by the keeper of the College of Winterhold's library.
I really wish Bethesda would flesh out the different races way more. Don't just make Altmer arrogant b*tches, show how them being extremely long-lived influences their culture and personality. Show that an Altmer who studied a magic school or craftsmanship for 300 years has every right to look down on what most humans produce with 30 years of experience. Though same goes for all races. Be it Khajit with their moon-religion/biology, Argonians being lead and influenced by the Hist trees or Redguards living in the unforgiving desert, their lore is so incredibly rich (and in the case of Argonians and Khajit even their appearance should have way more to offer), they could all make for unique and intriguing aspects of the TES games. But instead the only difference between the races is whether they have fur, scales or pointy ears.
Fans have always cared more about TES lore than Bethesda. Don't have high expectations. For more fleshed-out High Elves, look to the Warhammer lore, for example.
What about orcs? when Siptimus Signus (thats the name if i did not forget) asks you to collect the blood of all elves, you collect the blood of a high elf, a wood elf, a dark elf, an orc, and a falmer. So how long do orcs and falmers live if they are also elves?
People can't live a second without crying because of the elves and without mentioning garbage like Pelinal and so on. Yes, the Nords are so cool that the Thalmor forces them and the Imperials to do what they want.
dont forget the orcs who are technically a elven race similar to the dark elves that were cursed or the falmer who are technically elves even if degraded into a feral form
I mean Nelacar is in Morrowind: Bloodmoon and in Skyrim so that is a good 208 year difference between those events. He'd probably be in his one to two hundreds during bloodmoon and he still looks like a strapping young man. Sinderion probably would have been in his 500 hundreds if he wasn't merked by dwemer automatons
The Orsimer do have elven blood but are mostly considered as uncouth Betmers, they usually live about the same span as Humans; the Nords think it maybe because they were cursed by Orkey. The Maormer are just like their Altmer cousins usually around 300ish, but since they live a more perilous life at sea it usually shortens their lives just like their Bosmer cousins. The Ayleids are also called Highland High Elves, and just like the Summerset Altmers they live up to around 300-500yrs. The Falmer (Snow Elves) also has a typical lifespan of 300. As it seems the more "civilised" or isolationist an elven culture is the longer they live.
Ok, that is pretty look but what about how these elves view thier age? Knowing thier expected life span is only half of the interest in the subject. Knowing what Bosmer, Dunmer and Altmer consider to be young (the equivalent to an ordinary human around 18 - 21), middle-aged and old? This is something you don't really see being talked about all that often and it's such a shame because the subject is very interesting
If they’re a member of the Thalmor than they have the shortest life spans of all the races. Shouldn’t have pissed off a Demi god. Seriously though the lore of the next elder scrolls game better have the last Dragonborn completely destroying the Thalmor.
I don’t think this is correct re: altmer. Barenziah was noted as being EXTREMELY old for any elf. Morrowind seemed to imply that dunmer were the longest lived of the elves in general and they would average out at 300.
Its estimated they lived the same, if not a little longer like the altmer. The dunmer didnt change all that much as the onlybthing that sets them apart is azuras curse that changed their skin amd eye color
Aldmer is a language. That of the Ayleids who are thought to be extinct. That aside, they probably all lived to be around 500 years old. The Dwemer were the old exception as they could extend their lives with their technology.
Why live as an elf when you can just immortalize your spirit as an ayelid in some fucked up dungeon
What is that?
@@ARQP000 go play oblivion
@@ARQP000The Ayelids are an extinct race of elves from Cyrodiil
Or a bloodthirsty vampire
@@ARQP000 Basically, the original occupants of Cyrodil.
They had a civil war over whether to worship the Aedra (basically the eight divines. Tiber Septim/Talos hadn't even been born yet.) or two specific deadra. The deadra side won- they even had a "demigod", basically a half deadra.
The deadra in question would be Molag Bal and Miridia. Molag bal, the Deadric prince of Slavery, corruption, and domination and Miridia, the deadric prince of life. As you might expect, their culture was *incredibly* fucked up. They got Genocided by Pelinal Whitestrake and saint Allesia who founded the first empire ages ago.
Pelinal might have been an incarnation of Lorkhan/Shor, who is the god that made mankind way back when. His reason for genociding the elves basically boils down to "they killed my boyfriend". Mind you, Huna was a soldier, who died in battle. But apparently, that was reason enough to Pelinal to go on a blood crazed rampage where he killed every man, woman, and child he encountered- including an unfortunate tribe of Khajit who he happened to come across.
He'd die confronting the high lords of the Ayelids while insulting their ancestors. But not before he killed their Demi-god Umaril the Unfeathered.
Damn the altmer would know you,your dad, your granddad, your great granddad, your great great granddad, and your great great great granddad. Imagine an altmer as a guardian of your family
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Altmers in TES aren't so horny creatures compare to others. They only produce offsprings when needed.
@@leediaz5690 i think he meant know as in knowing your ancestor so like in this case an elf made a promise with a human to protect their bloodline he would meet that humans great great great great grandson, not necessarily reproducing just watching over like a pet
@@paulisnotonice yeah, i fast read it as the alter's
And would be scared of you if he was alive when pelinal whitestrake was
How long do elves live? About 5 seconds after Pelinal arrives
Cringe
@@grd6513 who pissed in your cereal?
knife ear apologist
@@grd6513 Yes you are
@@grd6513 Pelinal Whitestrake is a badass, you're the one who's cringe
REMAAAAN
Don’t forget that one dark elf in Morrowind who’s the oldest in TES history
Divayth Fyr. He's in ESO as well. He may still be living. He's 4000 years old apparently.
What about the last snow elf in Skyrim? He's about 4,000 years old too.
@@brandonbradley8480 Gelebor probably lived so much time thanks to Auriel.
@@sheogorath6834 but he's still alive, so it counts. And you really think that the others didn't have some way to extend their lifespan? Just because he lived that long because of a god, doesn't mean he should be excluded. The others have only lived as long as they have by using magic to unnaturally extend their lifespan. There's no way to naturally live 4,000 years. Not in Skyrim, and not in real life either. Not unless you're a tree.
@@brandonbradley8480 Nobody would count Divayth Fyr to says that Dunmer live for 4000 years. Idk why you're trying to do so with Gelebor.
"What you learn here will last you a lifetime, several if your talented"
Berenziah: "I'm 425 years old"
Divayth Fyr: "I was a fkn Chimer"
Fr, Dude is old asf lmao Its funny people forget about him
They live for as long as it takes Pelinal to get within throttling range.
Came looking for this comment thank you.
As a fan of Pelinal I appreciate you commenting this, mer have the right to live as long as fruit flys.
@@sutekofthecultofknowledge8931A. Fantasy racism is cringe.
B. It’s *fruit flies.
@@OccultEclipse snowflake maxxed
@OccultEclipse it's technically Xenophia.
Even a High Elf v Wood Elf thing would be Xenophia. But that at least would be closer to racism then humans being against Elves.
Overusing the word racism, trivializes those who face it.
They don't live as long as the elves from LotR but they do live longer than Hylians from The Legend of Zelda.
Hylians arr a subspecies of human.
Elves from lotr are immortal
Hylians have the same lifespan as humans
What of the Orks? They are after all an race of elves.
I did the orcs separately as i had to explain why they live so short
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Alright, thanks for pointing that out.
Aren't they considered beast folk like the khajit and angonians
@@angryvaultguy They're more like fallen elves.
Hard to say since most either die in battle or commit assisted suicide via a duell before their age slows them down.
Gelebor has been looking after Auri-el's chantry for 1000s of years now...
According to a time travelling crusader cyborg, Mer lives are not short enough.
Ah good o’l pelinal
Orcs: Am I a joke to you, milk-drinker?
You telling me there are elves how lived through the Oblivion Crisis in Skyrim
The hero-god Phynaster discovered a way of walking that prolonged his life. He then went on to teach the altmer that by shortening ones stride they could live a few hundred years longer.
The irony of the bosmer only living to 200 because of diseases when in Skyrim it literally says they're disease resistant 😂
You forgot to mention Divayth Fyr, who basically lived through the time right after or even during the battle of red mountain, and even managed to befriend the only living dwemer to be seen in the series
I looked into Fyr but i didn't wanna count individuals who used magic to extend their lives as they are pretty much anomalies
@@infinitybreak4459 Yeah, I guess that makes sense but do you think, that the reason Mers live longer than humans is because they are the most prolific magic users? Like, just the potency of the magicka residing in their bodies extends their lifespan regardless of how much they use actual spells, combined with how intune they are with the magics of environments they adapted to in nature
@ItsChevnotJeff theres a lot of theories about it, some date back to the creation of Mundas and the War between Lorkhan and the Et'ada where supposedly Lorkhan made humanity to fight them.
Elves are the descendents of Auriel and the Et'ada so they by default have more magic bound to them but humanity was made for war and are not as in tune so this may play a part in the difference in lifespans.
@@infinitybreak4459 I never actually knew that humans were specifically bred to fight Mer, no wonder there is so much strife in between the races, Ngl learning lore about Elder Scrolls is very fascinating
@ItsChevnotJeff its a theory mostly supported by extended noncannon texts, but it's interesting!
Look up "Shor son of Shor". it's confusing but a good read.
Also "children of the sky" supports this patrially by saying that Kyne made mankind by breathing down from the throat of the world, and we know Kyne loved Lorkhan considering Shor (nordic Lorkhan) was Kyne's (nordic kynareth) husband.
That’s kinda sad, my high elf mage is gonna out live is kids by a long time😢
at least when each goes you’ll get an extra slot to adopt more
Bethesda should’ve added more races for adoptable kids. An elf should probably choose elven kids so he/she gets to live with them for centuries and does not outlive them.
My character is a High Elf Vampire, he will literally live forever.
Not if you train your kids to be pro life-extending mages.
There are also the Falmer, who are shown in both Blackreach and in the Dawnguard DLC of Skyrim that they can live for thousands of years, even while being twisted by the Dwemer's trickery, and the Orsimer, who are known to have the shortest elven lifespan of ~70 ish years
About the Falmer? Snow elves definitely had very extended lifespans, but the twisted Falmer?
I don't think I have seen any mention of their lifespan at all, then again, I might have overlooked some mention and cannot ask them, as they are not exactly very talkative.
The Altmer of the Psijic order are very long lived, the Ritemaster Iachesis is somewhere in the thousands and Vanus Galerion the Altmer who founded the mage’s guild was also a millennium old or more
I just read a lorebook in ESO wherein a Red Guard reigned as a king for about ~150 years, and that was just a commoner and we have no idea how long he was alive before then. So basically everyone in TES can live for hundreds of years.
I'm reminded of Therana, one of the heads of House Telvanni, who shows clear signs of Alzheimer's.
Divayth Fyr lived over 4,000 years, and may still be alive as of Skyrim for all we know. He's obviously exceptional though seeing as he's one of the strongest mages in history. Gelebor was also 4,000 years or older, and he didn't seem to be a particularly gifted mage. Maybe the falmer were naturally long lived, or he had some special benefits due to his position.
Dwemer: vibes as the unaging brass skin of Numidium
Falmer: could live long enough as long as the Dwemer does not see them
Maormer: i cri
Left-handed elves: lived too soon for the next kalpa, lived too late to survive the next kalpa
Not if Pelinal Whitestrake has anything to say about that!!!
Divayth Fyr, one of the Telvanni Wizard Lord is well over 4,000 years old
Vyrthur and Gelebor is older than Divayth Fyr because of their continued faith in Auri-El
You see they live as long as it takes for them to bleed out -everyones favorite crusader
What about the Bretons? Obviously they wouldn't live as long as other elves because they're human/elf hybrids but they would most likely live longer than humans.
It actually might be the opposite weirdly enough. The only actual info we get on Breton age is a line where someone says another person "aged like a Breton" implying they actually age faster than other human races.
@@wishbone346maybe bretons just age bad? Like a 60yr old one is all gnarled and wrinkled and an 80 year old one got long twisted fingers and long drooping noses and ears almost skeletal
@@wishbone346 Or they mean that a person has aged badly. Commonly, when humans get old, we get shorter and wrinkled. I'm guessing Bretons, being mostly human, age as poorly as most of us do, or maybe they just show more of their aging faster than most full blooded humans. Maybe the saying "Aged like a Breton" means you're showing your age or you've gotten shorter. You can imagine most Bretons would be looked at as much younger than their ages for most of their life because of their smaller frames and softer features. Then as they get older they get the features of age (wrinkles) while still looking physically like a young adult. Maybe the saying is used more because their aging doesn't seem natural compared to other humans. I haven't seen anything in the lore to support it but I would guess they live slightly longer than most humans, maybe an extra 20-50 years at most(not accounting for an unexpected end or sickness/disease taking them first).
@@wishbone346 Imo it's the contrary. When you say that someone "age like a breton" it mean that they seems younger than their age.
Fun fact: Delphine is 50 year old in Skyrim (she's a breton)
@@sheogorath6834 Tbf Saadia would also have to be in her mid 40s to early 50s at least as well despite not looking it at all and she's a Redguard. So I think not looking your age is just something that happens in Tamriel.
No love for the Orsimer? Yea, I should be used to that. *Cries in Orc*
You mean the shit covered wood elves?
I'm live forever cause my elf is a vampire 😂😂 and godly at that
Crazy how old Elder Scrolls lore is. This would have surprised me back then but now that people are living up to 120 doesn't seem that big of a deal.
Now I’m imaging an Altmer who’s like 500 years old and is so afraid of death he becomes a Vampire, and eventually uses magic to extend his lifespan even further.
another thing to note is that elves mature at the same rate as human races
I think to have read they took more time to grow, unless it was their population
@@wolffrdu6463 They reach physical maturity at around the same age as men however mer under ~100 would be considered mentally immature by members of their own race :)
Wasn't the whole reason the Snow Elves finally decided to attack the first men of Tamriel in Skyrim, because they began to realize that Men matured and reproduced faster and in greater numbers than Elves or at least Snow Elves? Therefore they would eventually outnumber the Elves and pose a threat.
@@nitex4193 hooooo, so i missunderstood
Snow Elves are a weird case. The very little we know about their age is how they can seemingly live for thousands of years as seen in Knight-Paladin Gelebor. It's said the Atmorans had a reproduced much faster but it's highly plausible that falmer matured slower than even other elven races due to their seemingly endless lifespan
Elves live for several centuries on average, or approximately 5 minutes in my presence.
hehe 👌
I was gonna say the dunmer and altmer have well into the thousands range. Not to mention the snow elf....Holy crap. The snow elf in the sanctuary where you find 2 of them....and that was well beyond a single millennium...I know this shite too well to not know what I'm saying
Elves reportedly live ''Too Aedra damned long'', local P. Whitestrake reported shouting at gathering of provincial representatives, more news at Five.
Most Dark Elves live to a few hundred years without magical intervention.
And then there's Divayth Fyr whose magic has sustained him for THOUSANDS of years.
So what you're saying is, the Nerevarine, the Hero of Kwatch, and the Dragonborn could potentially all be the same person if they were Dunmer?
@Iskaid theoretically, yes, but it wouldn't make sense lore wise
In Oblivion, the Neravarine is said to be away on an expedition to Akivir but you could make the headcannon that this is a coverup and you're playing them in Cyrodiil but the issue is the Neravarine is impervious to disease so you'd have to give them 100 percent diseas resistance.
The other snag is the hero of Kvatch, who becomes Sheogorath at the end of the shivering isles (who you interact with and talks about the main quest and thieves guild questline) so itd make no sense unless you came up with a valid way to rationalize this in your playthroughs
EDIT:
Also, considering the Neravarine is impervious to aging via the modified Corpus disease they get, and them being able to be any race or gender, could potentially be any race really by the time of Skyrim (which is only 200ish years after morrowind if im not mistaken)
@@infinitybreak4459 Wait. If you BECOME Sheogorath, what does that mean for the rest of your run?
@Iskaid you don't necessarily "become" the Sheogorath you see immediately, you mantle him and slowly morph into him with time, you can still finish Oblivion after shivering isles but after the ecents of the game are over its implied your character stays in the shivering isles and slowly turns into the Sheogorath we all know
@@infinitybreak4459 Interesting, so the mad god you meet in Skyrim is actually the Hero of Kwatch in a timeline where he helped Sheogorath stop the Grey March.
But because there was a dragon break, there were also timelines where that didn't happen and the Hero of Kwatch lived on as himself or herself.
@Iskaid i never considered how there were other dragonbreaks beyond the one in daggerfall, obviously there were ones before such as the middle dawn but i never thought of potential ones that explained the vagueness of each games ending and the actions each protagonist takes
Surprised Neloth wasn't mentioned 😂
We don't know how old Neloth is.
We just know that he was old (even for a elf) in Morrowind.
I actually looked into this, all elves (no matter their ethnicity), live 300 years on avg.
Edit: bosmer are, canonically, resistant to diseases and poisons
Proof is Vingalmo at the Vampire Castle. That guy lived a long time.
I was actually wondering this for one of my characters. Thanks!
That one snow elf in Skyrim lived like 700 years or something
Isn't there a different answer to this question depending on how active they are in the Aldmeri Dominion? "Can't leave well enough alone" is a leading cause of death, after all.
This is mainly why I have played elves in ES games, due to lore or story reasons for the same guy being there in each different game
"some members of house telvanni may live to almost 800"
Divayth Fyr: those are rookie numbers
How about the Falmer? If Knights-Paladin Gelebor was alive during Ysgramor’s conquest, he’s at least 4,000 years old
I think he's just regarding the natural lifespan. When he brings up the Telvani he specifies that they only live longer due to magic.
As long as there ambition deems it so
not that long when they meet me in skyrim
Fyr lived since the 1st era. He was dunmer and used magic obviously but he lived 4000 years. Same w the tribunal and dagoth ur
Forgot about the Snow Elves, know also as Falmers.
Dyvayth Fyr, Ritemaster Iachesis and Loremaster Celarus must probably be among the oldest elves we know of.
Don't forget about the snow elf in the forgotten vale. He's like 4,000 years old. And he's still very much alive after the end of the game, unlike his vampire brother.
@@brandonbradley8480 I don’t know why everybody seems to forget him
@@treyphillips7668 probably because you only encounter him in a single quest as part of the dawnguard DLC. I have the benefit of being physically unable to forget, so I of course remembered him. But the majority don't have total recall, so they forget things...how exactly does one actually get used to that? My version of forgetting is just not being able to immediately recall a piece of information. My older memories end up buried under my newer ones, so I need a trigger to jar my brain and shake the older memory loose in order to recall it. But I can still FEEL the memory inside my mind. I'm never completely locked out of my memories. It may sound weird to you, but forgetting things sounds weird to me. Reality is what we make of it after all.
I believe some of the Telvanni get into Thousands of years. At least Dyviath Fyr does.
I thought I read somewhere that high elves can live to be a thousand years old not 500
Meanwhile, the Orsimer live around 40-60 years on average, prefering to die via death by adventurer or by having one of their children kill them to become the next chief of their stronghold. They can live as long as 150 years, however, as evidenced by the keeper of the College of Winterhold's library.
I really wish Bethesda would flesh out the different races way more. Don't just make Altmer arrogant b*tches, show how them being extremely long-lived influences their culture and personality. Show that an Altmer who studied a magic school or craftsmanship for 300 years has every right to look down on what most humans produce with 30 years of experience.
Though same goes for all races. Be it Khajit with their moon-religion/biology, Argonians being lead and influenced by the Hist trees or Redguards living in the unforgiving desert, their lore is so incredibly rich (and in the case of Argonians and Khajit even their appearance should have way more to offer), they could all make for unique and intriguing aspects of the TES games. But instead the only difference between the races is whether they have fur, scales or pointy ears.
Fans have always cared more about TES lore than Bethesda. Don't have high expectations. For more fleshed-out High Elves, look to the Warhammer lore, for example.
@@josephpercy1558 I know, but still it feels like such endless potential, more or less served on a silver platter, that they just waste.
@@lordhelmchen3154 Oh absolutely. I feel you. Wasted potential.
We'll see what they can bring with Starfield. 🤞
What about the Falmer/Snow Elf?
The Knight Paladin in Skyrim's Dawn guard quest, must be thousands of years old?
Makes me wonder about the less seen elves. Snow elves and Maomer, I wonder how long they live for on average?
What about orcs? when Siptimus Signus (thats the name if i did not forget) asks you to collect the blood of all elves, you collect the blood of a high elf, a wood elf, a dark elf, an orc, and a falmer. So how long do orcs and falmers live if they are also elves?
Until they meet the protagonist
Quickest way to shorten a long lifespan is to meet up with “The Hero of --“
The answer is... TOO LONG 🗡️
How long do Altmer live?
3.5 seconds after meeting a true nord in battle!
whitestrake has been summoned
People can't live a second without crying because of the elves and without mentioning garbage like Pelinal and so on. Yes, the Nords are so cool that the Thalmor forces them and the Imperials to do what they want.
They live as long as they don't cross the Dragonborn.
dont forget the orcs who are technically a elven race similar to the dark elves that were cursed or the falmer who are technically elves even if degraded into a feral form
Maomur live even longer since they are directly related to the at arda
Actually the average age of elves when Skyrim takes place is only around 20…
Because of how many thalmor the Dragonborn kills
-Wood elves: normaly have shorter lifespan because they die of diseases in valenwood.
-also wood elfs: 50% resistant to diseases
But but but HOW?!
They live till I meet them.
They live till they see my Wuuthrad
I kinda wish elves lived up to 1000 years like other franchises
I mean Nelacar is in Morrowind: Bloodmoon and in Skyrim so that is a good 208 year difference between those events. He'd probably be in his one to two hundreds during bloodmoon and he still looks like a strapping young man. Sinderion probably would have been in his 500 hundreds if he wasn't merked by dwemer automatons
If they're Altmer they only live as long as it takes to draw my bow or charge into striking distance.
divayth fyr (dark elf) was at least 4000 years old
Divayth Fyr casually being older than the LITERAL GODS OF THE TRIBUNAL.
What of Falmer, Orsimer, Dwemer, Chimer or Maormer? Or left handed elves if we include them? Aylieds i assume would live as long as normal high elves.
What about Orsimer, Maormer, Aylieds, etc?
The Orsimer do have elven blood but are mostly considered as uncouth Betmers, they usually live about the same span as Humans; the Nords think it maybe because they were cursed by Orkey.
The Maormer are just like their Altmer cousins usually around 300ish, but since they live a more perilous life at sea it usually shortens their lives just like their Bosmer cousins.
The Ayleids are also called Highland High Elves, and just like the Summerset Altmers they live up to around 300-500yrs.
The Falmer (Snow Elves) also has a typical lifespan of 300.
As it seems the more "civilised" or isolationist an elven culture is the longer they live.
Orcs (Orsimer) are also elves, and they live about 60-65. So technically Orsimer have the shortest lifespan.
Too bad i severely lower the average lifespan of every altmer i see in skyrim
Racist
@@michealharrison2219 yes .
My Nordic blade would beg to differ..
I thought all of the elves races live for 1000 years
Me too i was suprised when i dug into it
@@infinitybreak4459even then most are peasents
who would maybe only live maybe 150 years because of disease or crime.
What about the Falmer/Snow Elves, how long do they live?
Old sonce we see one that isn’t a vampire in skyrim
Probably like the other elfs.
@@wolffrdu6463 Gelebor is probably an exception and not the rule.
@@sheogorath6834 not fals, could had been blessed by Auri-El for having a long life because of his aoth, but im not sure if it's trully the case
@@wolffrdu6463 Well, he's obviously not normal.
They live as long as Ysgrammor and his people allows...
Now do the snow elves! Lol
Ok, that is pretty look but what about how these elves view thier age? Knowing thier expected life span is only half of the interest in the subject. Knowing what Bosmer, Dunmer and Altmer consider to be young (the equivalent to an ordinary human around 18 - 21), middle-aged and old? This is something you don't really see being talked about all that often and it's such a shame because the subject is very interesting
Forgetting a few elfs Snow elfs
You forgot the orcs. They are elves as well
Hey, Orgnum is going strong at thousands of years ild
i watched lotr recently so this is cool to compare
You forgot the orcs bud
Nope i didn't, made a separate short before this one on em
If they’re a member of the Thalmor than they have the shortest life spans of all the races. Shouldn’t have pissed off a Demi god.
Seriously though the lore of the next elder scrolls game better have the last Dragonborn completely destroying the Thalmor.
lol, Elves from Frieren can live up to 2k or more years
I don’t think this is correct re: altmer. Barenziah was noted as being EXTREMELY old for any elf. Morrowind seemed to imply that dunmer were the longest lived of the elves in general and they would average out at 300.
Can’t believe you never mentioned Divayth Fyr
You forgot the Orsimer and Khajiit
I wonder who the longest living mer in Tamriel is? Divayth Fyr?
I think Fyr does take the cake i want to discuss him in the last video in this little series
Fyr is the oldest that we know, yes.
Where the hell where my boys the orcs ?
The snow elf chilling with a water bottle in a cave since Ysgramor forced him there: 👴
How long did the chimer live
Its estimated they lived the same, if not a little longer like the altmer. The dunmer didnt change all that much as the onlybthing that sets them apart is azuras curse that changed their skin amd eye color
Any idea how long a Snow elf would live? As a guesstimate?
So if you chose a dark or high elf character in Morrowind, it's possible they're still alive bu Oblivion or Skyrim
And then there's the snow elves who live for as long as the nords and the dwemer let them
Any info on the Dwemer, Falmer (pre-mutation, that is) and the Aldmer?
Aldmer is a language. That of the Ayleids who are thought to be extinct. That aside, they probably all lived to be around 500 years old. The Dwemer were the old exception as they could extend their lives with their technology.