Wow Simon doesn't want people to question authority, how shocked am I with that. I'm sure when he had workers asking for a raise or better conditions he scoffed at them, really shows an insight into his world view. True man of the people I see....
That’s cos he’s full of theoretical jargon, and chooses to not be realistic just to feed his argumentative nature. If this show was just him, hosting or analyzing, I’d never tune in…
I am absolutely disappointed in these guys who call them pundits …what we all want as football fans is CONSISTENCY….why is nobody talking about this? Plus, Simon has an “all lord and all good” posture when he’s making his points and that’s so annoying…chai
People are more frustrated with the inconsistency rather than the calls themselves. Against Brighton with the same technology they called the ball out on Rashford, the push on Gabriel would be given a foul in the other 9 games that weekend. People will accept the calls if it’s the same across the board
What’s even more crazy is, Joelington hit the ball with his arms after pushing Gabriel outta the way. And in the right camera angle when the ball hits joelingtons hands before deflected to Gordon’s path (he Gordon was offside assisted with handball.) yet they double down on their mistake and doing that it makes the integrity of the EPL EVEN MORE QUESTIONABLE 🤨
@@rosscleary9110 Assisting with handball wether accidental or not was said goal wouldn’t count. If you still insist that goal should stand, my question is would you allow that against your team. We’ll see more of this later on the season.
No matter what you guys say. The system is corrupt with loads of inconsistency. As long as it's Arsenal FC you guys will support any disgraceful decision by match officials. We know where you guys stand. The poor officiating will continue with this kind of attitude. Disgraceful.
Simon full of it. The reason we need to hear the decision making is nothing to do with authority. It's simply the fact that they get so many decisions wrong and no one understands their logic. Simon and the rest of them need to stop being PR for PGMOL.
Yeah he's either being disingenuous or just plain stupid. We aren't "analysing the analysis" we are watching how they came to their conclusion. We do that with judges, scientists, etc,
@@40yearoldvirgil15 That would be fine if they had been consistent with it. But the overwhelming evidence is there is no consistency. Honestly feels like they make it up as they go along.
@@40yearoldvirgil15 they said they got it right. But if they wanted it done right. You tell the ref to go look at the screen for the “push” the VAR isn’t suppose to say what they think. Just say their are hands in the back. Please go check. Let the ref make the call in the game.
We pay for it...why should commentators who get into games free get to hear the audio and see diffrent replays that we the paying public don't hezr or see....to right we should get to hear and see everything,because at the end of the day it's the fans money that pays for it..without fans football is nothing,stop treating us as if we are dumb.....
Funny how Cucurella on Haaland last week is a Pen, Højlund pull on Rodri is a Pen. Saka pushing Burnley player on the back might have cancelled an own goal. But Joelinton pushing Gabriel at the back of the neck/head area doesn't cancel the goal. Arteta is right, the EPL is hard and no one will stand a chance to challenge city if things continue this way.
@@ricardovosse3841how come every ex player and pundit apart from garry Neville on the day and the “Una amour board of referees” that the PGMOL used to release a statement to back the refs thought it was a clear foul then?
He is aware that police officers DO HAVE TO tell you why you're being nicked. They can't just pluck you off the street for no reason and throw you into a cell
The police analogy is brutal. Simon is effectively saying we should live in a society where we can be arrested without explanation, and then convicted without a judge or jury. In a league where there's so much at stake (not just results, but the integrity of the sport as well given that these refs are doing side gigs in Qatar and Saudi Arabia), it's crucial that referees are held to account. AND that's just the starting point before you even study the calamity that is VAR.
Tbh we should be atm, people have far to much power this day and age. Kids can kill under the age of 16 and be untouchable? Steal from shops and be untouchable. And a whole plethora of things. So yea I agree with him.
@@saltytree729 this isn't relevant to PGMOL and VAR, but I can't resist asking. You agree with what Simon implies? That the judicial system should not be transparent at all, and that it should be possible to arrest and convict people without providing an explanation?
@@potentialswillrulefor subjective decisions, I get it, they're different people, but in the same game, no. & factual decisions have no excuse when you have tech, it's not the 1930's.
The only reason why they’re all in agreement it was the right decision is simply because it’s Arsenal and Mikel Arteta. If it was Gary O’Neill the narrative would be completely different
Arsenal owe PGMOL no apology. The lack of consistency is the reason they're being called. The fact that fans from across the board are supporting the Arsenal stance shows it's not about Arteta or his criticism of poor officiating, it's about (a) consistency and (b) Refs being held accountable. Simon has to be contrarian, we know, but if his club was on the receiving end of such poor decisions, he'd be singing a different tune.
Simon is just protecting the bias, corrupt and incompetent referees just so he can get a podcast with Howard Webb. He debates and criticises everything fairly, but referees - seems to want to turn a blind eye.
😂dude stop being silly Simon is completely correct. It affects everyone Man Utd has had the most decisions go against them since var came in and some have cost games but guess what you're gonna get some that go your way and some that don't but it evens out. Isn't that how it has always been? Unless you're going to completely remove the human element from refereeing there are always gonna be some subjective stuff. Football is god damn contact sport you can't adjudicate the contact out of it🙄
@@Alloyd876 Simon is not completely correct. He's avoiding 'saying it how it is', as he does so often. The refs are not good enough, consistently. If they are not learning after so many consistent high profile errors - there must be bias corrupting their decision making. The VAR tech is working, the people running it at not. Therefore, you need a full review and accountability to get rid of those who are completely incompetent. Simon refuses to talk about this because Mr Webb won't do a podcast with him if he calls it out.
@@Alloyd876no they haven't, arsenal & brighton have had the most issues since the start of last season, it's shocking. & irrelevant of who it happens to, they need to sort theor shirt out
the reasoning for the foul is absurd. if you jump up and you've got two hands in the back where does your momentum go? backwards? clueless refs don't even use basic reasoning and laws of physics.
The referee didn't make a decision as he was waiting for VAR as said in the audio not shown on here. Then VAR sticks with on field descion as they are both waiting for each other to make a decision.
This is a great point. The ref in this game made it a point to not make a big call on field (Havertz and Bruno reds and the goal) because he has no bottle. It’s a “fix it in post” level of responsibility avoidance.
Jim White’s analysis: “See! The refs said the goal was good! So it is good! What is everyone fussing about?” Lololol thanks for that critical insight Jim.
Its amazing how Simon is Always Judge Jury and Executioner , always knows everything, what is right and what is wrong and what people should believe and his world is final. Or is it just me!
Did PGMOL apologize to Arsenal last year when they forgot to draw a line for offside? If the foul was subjective, and what Arteta said was also subjective, it's a disgrace if you play in beat league in the world but you have no camera for whether the ball was off and outside!
How on earth did you jump to that conclusion? It could have subjectively been given as a foul if it wasn’t for Gabriel simulating the amount of contact from behind. He dived forward like he had been shot and the force of the hands on his back was never capable of causing that much force.
Simon Jordan’s police metaphor is just stupid….. If you get pulled over and or arrested the police are required by law to tell you why, and they have to establish evidence and present it to take it further….Jordan is a clown…… So the PGMOL continuously get game affecting decisions wrong and we aren’t allowed to hold them to account. Grow up Simon, there are holes all over this audio, they spent 3 secs on that part of the analysis and didn’t use all angles. To say they are off the hook is none-sense. Arsenal have NOT been proven to be wrong, it was incompetence on the part of the officials, what about Hojlunds caress of Rodri, who threw himself to the ground theatrically, penalty. Don’t make me laugh. We are asking for CONSISTENCY, did you see the pat Saka made on the back of the Burnley player, foul given. It’s a farce and the mainstream media narrative and the horrible choreographed 30 mins with Michael Owen are a disgrace. ITS BAD FOR FOOTBALL SIMON NOT JUST FOR ARSENAL
Funny how they keep making publ8c apologies to arsenal & brighton, nobody said a thing. Seems pretty ironic that the two managers who've read the mist apology letters in the last 12 months are the ones reaching boiling point & caking out the state or the referees, or is that just me?
@@kurtsudheim825 or could it be that the PGMOL have made horrible errors, not just for Arsenal and Brighton, think Liverpool and Wolves, and would apologise for their refereeing incompetence 🤷♂️
I remember Simon telling Robbie he use peoples anger to build his channel this show reminds me of when AFTV just came out are you guy’s following Don Robbie lol 😅.It is a push on the player the goal should not have stand stop telling us what we should accept especially from a fail club owner.
It was a clear foul !! Not the right decision . Somebody finally voiced out wat they really think of referring in this country . No consistency . Some teams get the same foul and others don’t . Telling it is subjective is a joke !!! Don’t care wat these clowns think . Go for it MA.
"Should mikel apologise to the pgmol?" WELL HOW ABOUT THE PGMOL STOP BLOODY WELL APOLOGISING TO ARSENAL & BRIGHTON! Seems pretty strange that the two managers who have had to read apology letters more than any other are the ones making the most noise about the state of refereeing in the pl doesn't it, or not? No surprise they're getting fed up. Now, i don't think there's anything wrong with the decision to award the goal itself (I vaguely remebering that crazy goal arsenal scored against burnley years back when nobody knew what to say, was no proof), but the issue is with the laws & ways to implement them: people mentioned to the pl do they need more cameras, or better yet, use a chip in the ball like other leagues to tell, yet the richest league in the world was to STINGY, & maybe lazy, to get it sorted, we saw those exact issue in the wc a year ago & the pl around that time as well. How can the rule state the whil ball needs to be over, yet we don't have a way of knowing, & now with tech we can but refuse not to? My issue was more with bruno not getting a red, that was a horrendous decision, considering what we saw in the rugby, that would've been a red easily, this should be a 6 month ban it was so violent.
They did not follow the protocol… the push on Gabriel decision is subjective and the ref should have been sent to the monitor to decide whether it is enough….
Why should MA or Arsenal apologise? 😂😂😂 The decision was the wrong decision. And the audio proves that! Just because they don’t think it’s a foul doesn’t mean everyone else doesn’t think it was. They would never think it’s a foul but the fact that 2 similar decisions since then was ruled as a foul.
Not the wrong decision, no conclusive evidence. Bit they could have, we saw this issue at the wc, & in pl just before our after, yet even after being advised to either use a chip in the ball, or have more cams, they said no, the richest league in the world is to stingy. So they COULD have the right decision.
The audio is proving that they went through the right processes to clear the goal, which of course is the right decision due to a degree of subjectivity and inconclusive evidence to rule against the on-field decision. Your comment proves the subjectivity and therefore you cant just rule a goal based on that.
@@jun3078the on field referee waited for the VAR to make decisions (that they never had a view for) because he didn’t have the balls to do it in real time, not because he thought the calls were correct.
I'm not an Arsenal fan but what I have just heard is BS the goal should have been ruled out. VAR is making football worse when it was supposed to make it better. Jordan just likes the sound of his own voice and Murphy is no more than a yes man he could have called Michael Owen out for the weak way he dealt with Webb who certainly is not the answer to the problems with VAR!
The VAR saying "I don't see anything that warrants him flying forward like that" is the more ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I'm fuming now more than I was that day.
@@antonyallen8025 But the VAR should assist and not officiate. When they say "I don't see anything there", it shouldn't really be their place to make subjective calls like this.
@@jameshamblin8440 You missed my point. The ref missed in real time, VAR should have indicated that there was an event worth reviewing and let the ref make the call - since it was a subjective one. When they call it, saying there wasn't much there, they are officiating, making a subjective call on an incident that doesn't seem to be clear cut.
See that's a cheap get out ain't it just say those two words " conspiracy theory" and apparently the objections melt away. How about cons piracy prover ?
@@ftw1540 There is and has been corruption in everything where vast amounts of money is involved since for centuries, to think somehow football has managed to side step this is incredibly naive! We know Fifa were taking bribes for qatar and russia to host the world cups, that is proven and they run the sport!
Why aren't you talking about the same situation that happend this weekend arsenal Vs Burnley when saka fouled the Burnley defender in the same way that Gabriel was found... Why was saka's push given as a foul and the Gabriel one wasn't
PGMOL is not there to improve the game and make the right call, it's there to protect refs from embarrassment and it's doing a piss poor job at that while also not making the right call.
Real pity they didn’t mention the inconsistency of the decisions and how hands on Rodri was enough for him to fall and turn 360 yet hands on Gabriel was fine!!!!
This is not about whether the VAR was concise. It is the inconsistency from one week to another when some of these decisions are given and in other instances nit given when the situation is the same.
Simon, could you be any more bitter towards managers and players? The sheer number of big decisions that have gone against Arsenal over the last two seasons in unbelievable.
@@raijinenel3116the pgmol have apologised to arsenal & brighton more than anyone else in the last year, kind of odd that those are the two managers making the most noise about the state of refs, no? Irrespective of who it is, they need to do better, they have the money & tech available, but refuse to use it, we've seen issues before, yet they are repeated: arsenal vs Brentford a year ago, same happens against spurs vs lbpl. Saw the ball crossing the line in the wc, & in the pl just before/after, other leagues use chips or more cams, pl was advised to do that, they ignored. If this was any other job, you & I would be fired for these mistakes being repeated & not listening to warnings & changing. Yet they continue to be useless
Can you imagine with all the VAR technology, these guys come up with statements like " it wasn't conclusive". Jesus Christ why not draw a line and check it. Simon is an absolute clown for being their apologist. Arteta shouldn't apologize. Decisions like these cause managers to lose points and eventually some lose their livelihood. And what will the PGMOL say after that, they'll simply apologize and that's it. Nonsense
As long as VAR did not have cameras to decide if the ball was out or not you cannot say that they got it right, cameras should be in place on all the lines always, if the ball is out play shall of course stop.
You do know football is a contact sport? There's a difference between having his hands on the back of gabriel and the defender jumping up like a fish out of water - the boy who cried wolf comes to mind seeing as arsenal players love jumping around. You salty arsenal fans should maybe focus on your poor attack in the game rather than blaming a referees decision to award a goal
Essentially it comes down to:- the ref was paid by the same people who own one of the two clubs . So you're insinuating a ref might well favour the club that recently received a financial incentive. If the advice to the media went out to not question the refs then it would seem that self same media don't want to lose their privileges and perks therefore suggestions like mine will be laughed at along with the two magic words " conspiracy theory" then they all move on to another pointless non debate
I like how its just shrugged away that they cant see if the ball is out, they cant see if its offside, they cant see if it's handball. We just go with thr onfield decision (as they can see these things better?!). Nevermind it was a foul on Gabriel the point is VAR should see these things. That's the whole bloody point of it. Dozens of cameras yet nothing along the goal line? Its like Wenger's "i didn't see it".... then what is the point of them?!
No one is embarrassed and stop commenting on most people because if you really wanna comment on “most people” most people in comments are saying it’s a foul ARTETA WAS RIGHT AND NO ONE IS EMBARRASSED
Arteta has no class so he won’t apologise. 20 years in this country and still no respect for the football culture and heritage. Arsenal very unprofessional too.
So this is the supposed audio that we were lead to believe is from VAR recorded during the incident. What I don’t understand is that it took VAR over 5 minutes to check the goal which I timed from my recording of the game but the audio played here makes it seem like they came to the conclusion in less than a minute. Seems incredibly strange how the audio doesn’t really match up with real time events in terms of the time it took VAR to come up with their decision. It seems like VAR makes it up as they go along. Hojland’s goal against Brighton got ruled out for Rashford supposedly playing the ball out of play but a few weeks later they give a goal because of not enough evidence to say Joe willock played the ball out. Gabriel is pushed in the back and deemed not a foul but Saka pushes a Burnley player in the back before an Burnley own goal is scored and that is judged to be a foul by the referee and the goal is ruled out. The inconsistency is mind boggling. At this point I think you are a complete fool if you don’t at least have some suspicion of corruption.
I honestly can not believe that people would keep a straight face while claiming that incident to be a legitimate goal. Like Mikel said, "It's an absolute disgrace!". Have some decency!!!
By the way why did it take PGMOL that long to respond with the audio, of course they will always defend themselves because their apology has become unacceptable. It’s still a foul in my opinion.
White&murphy have an agenda against Arsenal...what about the camera on the goal post...that clearly shows specifically joelinton with both hands on gabriel's neck...i follow ur podcast..owen&webb r biased in their assessment
Are you deaf? The audio of the goal was played and VAR state "2 hands on the back but nothing that would warrant Gabriel flying to the floor like that" MEANING Gabriel tried to con the ref with a dive and failed.
@samsby14 it would have been easier for Gabriel to head the ball away the fact the PGMOL are now hiding behind the media and their agenda against Arsenal to get away with poor decisions.
So Arteta needs to apologize to the PGMOL for a wrong decision because the PGMOL says it is not? It was the PGMOL’s decision making that led to the wrong decision in the first place. An audio from PGMOL doesn’t make it correct. What are these guys smoking?
the push down on Gabriels back is a blatant foul. It stopped him of his ability to jump up and then look at Joelinton's body language after it. He knows he got away with one.
"You'd take it if it was a goal for your team" is absolute nonsense journalism from White there. It has nothing to do with the point that's being made. When you can't retort the point being made you have to resort to calling someone a hypocrite. It's the lowest form of intelligence and unfortunately it's often used on this channel. The only problem is that most of the listeners are too thick to pick it up too.
How is it not clear and obvious when even from the evidence of the Mic’d up clip, the var and avar saw the foul on and inconclusive camera angle and when the camera any pans to behind the goal showing a clear shove, they do nothing about addressing it!
Jim is just like micky owen dancing to the gallery all the time.. simon the one man encylopedia and i pity for danny he cant make an honest observations without the two wolves jumping on him.. Lol cowards in cooperate attire
They have to explain Simon because without the fans were is football and would you be sitting in that chair talking nonsense.That was a foul end of story howard webb needs to resign.The English media is embarrassing a disgrace Simon and Jim are just puppets
Under your logic Bruno wouldn't have elbowed Jorginho if your player was sent off for taking out one of our players! Have a listen to yourself honestly
@stanleyonyejiaka9348 I'm saying Arteta was complaining about decisions - plural. So being wrong about one doesnt mean you should apologise. Whether he was wrong or right about all of them is another question.
@@DDT4real you still not getting it, Newcastle's goal was around the 64th minute, the elbow by Bruno was around the 40th or around that period in the game, and the tackle by Harvert was earlier than that, what we are saying is if your player was sent off for that tackle then it's logical to say all this your so-called bad decision won't have happened. Arteta is a good manager no doubt but he is not top-level and these Arsenal fans acting like this one decision would make them not win the league is laughable because you guys don't have a chance. You were perfect for most of last season and still didn't win it. Man City are not at their best and is still topping the league, just because you had one good season in ages doesn't mean the whole Premier League is against you guys winning, your coach, players and fans should grow up
@@stanleyonyejiaka9348 I think you're not getting it. Focus on what I said, which relates to what the actual video is about/the question they are asking - should arteta apologise. The answer is no, because he's arguing the referring is poor. More than one instance. Saying Hazertz should have been sent off is proving the point - poor officiating. Should Bruno have seen red. Yes. So 2 poor decisions. There were others, and against voth teams. So arguing if this happened that wouldn't have is irrelevant, because if you look at each individual incident, there were mistakes.
Which world is this simon guy living in? It’s not only the fans the need the explanation from the PGMOL but the players, coaches and the football clubs as to why some of these decisions are so bad
What the hell is Simeon saying? 😮. Refrees are beyond questioning? people like him with such authoritian mindset should not be anywhere close to leadership positions.His take is ridiculous to say the least!
The PGMOL should apologize to him and Arsenal. The mistake was a egregious. People so quickly forget Bruno G. running around elbowing people in the back of the head. They reviewed it and he should've been sent off. So no...Arteta has nothing to apologize for and suggesting he does is idiotic.
I think Havertz tackle was a foul. But that was in the run of play going for the ball. Bruno G was nowhere near the ball. That was a tackle that was endangering an opponent. They're not the same. @@Bazooka183 @alexanderfullar4107
2 things for sure, Jim is anti-Arsenal and English refs, and those 3 hosts don't have any common football sense regarding that foul. 1000% foul all day except in England i think
The Gabriel push was a FOUL. FOUL. It doesn't matter what you say. Arteta was even polite in his comments/reaction. Arsenal was robbed. FINAL. There is nothing to apologise for.
It was a foul. Jim is a wind up merchant. Simon, the reason it isn’t accepted is because it was a foul. The reason decisions need to be explained is because the system is not fit for purpose. VAR is becoming subjective which is not how it should be used. The on field refs need to be properly trained and paid and regulated and reviewed. VAR should be replaced with technology. Everything that should be judged with tech should be. Everything else should be judged by the refs.
More nonsense from Jordan 😂 if you are stopped by the police they explain why.....referees should explain why they make specifically controversial decisions, they are not asked to explain every decision in every game......they are there to facilitate the game, not decide the outcome. AFC are now criminals for not agreeing with the decisions and backing their staff, and btw I'm not sure you have ever really heard a rant, this was a statement of thoughts on the matter, no shouting, no expletives, calm and factual....just a statement
The ref is told to let play flow and continue and if there's an infringement VAR will pick it up. However if VAR aren't certain there's been a clear and obvious error they are told to go with the on field decision. Something clearly doesn't add up. That is what's preposterous.
How did they get it right? How was it clear, concise and methodical? The audio was a shambles! It was a FOUL. Arsenal were in their rights to put out a statement and arteta to share his POV.
just a load of BS … there’s too much variable involve to determine if someone should fall over base on how much weight is on them .. The fact that joelington feet are off the grow and body in a fwd motion says a lot . Saka was call for a fowl doing the same thing , a goal was rule out in the Napoli CL game for the same thing … if it’s the other way around it’s a penalty
The clips just expose VAR for how amateurish they are. The operatives talk over each other, they sound like they are panicking every time there is a decision to be made. They don’t have all the right camera angles. They have an awful 30 minute show hosted by a wet lettuce, Michael Owen. He does not challenged Webb at all, just toes the line. Also, it was clearly a foul, another cover up.
Something else I have noticed from watching games these days: PUSHING os far more prevalent than it ever was when I was a player. Shoulder to shoulder was the only contact allowed back then, and if I levered anyone away using my upper arm then I’d be penalised. I see pushing going on prior to headers, prior to players receiving the ball, and simply off the ball. Very rare it gets punished nowadays. I’d boss games with this new lapse in rule upholding. ‘Hands in the back’ ensured that Gabriel was unable to jump upwards. How is that not a blatant foul? Is it passed off as ‘shielding’ or is it as it now seems, that pushing is a part of the game?
TalkSport has an anti-Arteta bias. It’s obvious if you tune in often. But even TalkSport has to realize that Arteta is spot on. The PGMOL does not deserve an apology, full stop. The quality of referees in the EPL is miles below the quality of the players. For starters, the center referees should actually look the part. Far too many of them look far too unfit and are carrying way too much weight. Referees should be in peak physical condition like the players. Not lads who look like regular attendees at the local pub.
Even the media is a disgrace in England
Wow Simon doesn't want people to question authority, how shocked am I with that. I'm sure when he had workers asking for a raise or better conditions he scoffed at them, really shows an insight into his world view. True man of the people I see....
That’s cos he’s full of theoretical jargon, and chooses to not be realistic just to feed his argumentative nature. If this show was just him, hosting or analyzing, I’d never tune in…
The man is annoying to listen to
I am absolutely disappointed in these guys who call them pundits …what we all want as football fans is CONSISTENCY….why is nobody talking about this? Plus, Simon has an “all lord and all good” posture when he’s making his points and that’s so annoying…chai
People are more frustrated with the inconsistency rather than the calls themselves. Against Brighton with the same technology they called the ball out on Rashford, the push on Gabriel would be given a foul in the other 9 games that weekend. People will accept the calls if it’s the same across the board
What’s even more crazy is, Joelington hit the ball with his arms after pushing Gabriel outta the way.
And in the right camera angle when the ball hits joelingtons hands before deflected to Gordon’s path (he Gordon was offside assisted with handball.) yet they double down on their mistake and doing that it makes the integrity of the EPL EVEN MORE QUESTIONABLE 🤨
@@Cesccy Gordon wasn't offside. He was behind the ball. And handballs aren't given if accidental and not by the goalscorer.
@@rosscleary9110 Assisting with handball wether accidental or not was said goal wouldn’t count. If you still insist that goal should stand, my question is would you allow that against your team. We’ll see more of this later on the season.
@@Cesccy handballs like that aren't given unless its the goalscorer. Cleaely not deliberate either.
No matter what you guys say. The system is corrupt with loads of inconsistency. As long as it's Arsenal FC you guys will support any disgraceful decision by match officials. We know where you guys stand. The poor officiating will continue with this kind of attitude. Disgraceful.
Simon full of it. The reason we need to hear the decision making is nothing to do with authority.
It's simply the fact that they get so many decisions wrong and no one understands their logic.
Simon and the rest of them need to stop being PR for PGMOL.
Yeah he's either being disingenuous or just plain stupid. We aren't "analysing the analysis" we are watching how they came to their conclusion. We do that with judges, scientists, etc,
They got that 1 right this time tho
@@40yearoldvirgil15 That would be fine if they had been consistent with it. But the overwhelming evidence is there is no consistency.
Honestly feels like they make it up as they go along.
@@40yearoldvirgil15 they said they got it right. But if they wanted it done right. You tell the ref to go look at the screen for the “push” the VAR isn’t suppose to say what they think. Just say their are hands in the back. Please go check.
Let the ref make the call in the game.
We pay for it...why should commentators who get into games free get to hear the audio and see diffrent replays that we the paying public don't hezr or see....to right we should get to hear and see everything,because at the end of the day it's the fans money that pays for it..without fans football is nothing,stop treating us as if we are dumb.....
Funny how Cucurella on Haaland last week is a Pen, Højlund pull on Rodri is a Pen. Saka pushing Burnley player on the back might have cancelled an own goal. But Joelinton pushing Gabriel at the back of the neck/head area doesn't cancel the goal.
Arteta is right, the EPL is hard and no one will stand a chance to challenge city if things continue this way.
So highly contentious decisions should automatically go Arteta's way to help them win the league. Honestly, I've heard it all now...
@@ricardovosse3841 Except this particular incident isn't highly contentious because anyone with a brain can see it's a clear free kick.
They are all against Arsenal , it’s such a disgrace unfortunately.
The answer is that none of them were pens. City just get gifted rewards all the time even though they need them the least.
@@ricardovosse3841how come every ex player and pundit apart from garry Neville on the day and the “Una amour board of referees” that the PGMOL used to release a statement to back the refs thought it was a clear foul then?
He is aware that police officers DO HAVE TO tell you why you're being nicked. They can't just pluck you off the street for no reason and throw you into a cell
Sure they can.
@@terry3252 Someone doesn't know their rights 🤷🏻♂️
We don't have a written constitution it's not impossible to get banged up for no reason
The police analogy is brutal. Simon is effectively saying we should live in a society where we can be arrested without explanation, and then convicted without a judge or jury. In a league where there's so much at stake (not just results, but the integrity of the sport as well given that these refs are doing side gigs in Qatar and Saudi Arabia), it's crucial that referees are held to account.
AND that's just the starting point before you even study the calamity that is VAR.
Tbh we should be atm, people have far to much power this day and age. Kids can kill under the age of 16 and be untouchable? Steal from shops and be untouchable. And a whole plethora of things. So yea I agree with him.
@@saltytree729 this isn't relevant to PGMOL and VAR, but I can't resist asking. You agree with what Simon implies? That the judicial system should not be transparent at all, and that it should be possible to arrest and convict people without providing an explanation?
The issue is that there is inconsistency, one week something is allowed another week it isn't, and maybe depending on what club you are from
@@saltytree729is there's a lot of shirt, but you can't just arrest people without cause
@@potentialswillrulefor subjective decisions, I get it, they're different people, but in the same game, no. & factual decisions have no excuse when you have tech, it's not the 1930's.
The only reason why they’re all in agreement it was the right decision is simply because it’s Arsenal and Mikel Arteta. If it was Gary O’Neill the narrative would be completely different
Typical Arsenal victim complex smh
Arsenal still don’t realise that they’re a moaning, powder-puff, non-entity to most people who watch or are involved in football.
Lol silly comment
@@languageoffootballthen why you here complaining?
Go cry elsewhere.
@@languageoffootball the way you say it , shows you are hurt
Arsenal owe PGMOL no apology. The lack of consistency is the reason they're being called. The fact that fans from across the board are supporting the Arsenal stance shows it's not about Arteta or his criticism of poor officiating, it's about (a) consistency and (b) Refs being held accountable. Simon has to be contrarian, we know, but if his club was on the receiving end of such poor decisions, he'd be singing a different tune.
Simon is just protecting the bias, corrupt and incompetent referees just so he can get a podcast with Howard Webb.
He debates and criticises everything fairly, but referees - seems to want to turn a blind eye.
😂dude stop being silly Simon is completely correct. It affects everyone Man Utd has had the most decisions go against them since var came in and some have cost games but guess what you're gonna get some that go your way and some that don't but it evens out. Isn't that how it has always been? Unless you're going to completely remove the human element from refereeing there are always gonna be some subjective stuff. Football is god damn contact sport you can't adjudicate the contact out of it🙄
@@Alloyd876 Simon is not completely correct. He's avoiding 'saying it how it is', as he does so often.
The refs are not good enough, consistently. If they are not learning after so many consistent high profile errors - there must be bias corrupting their decision making. The VAR tech is working, the people running it at not. Therefore, you need a full review and accountability to get rid of those who are completely incompetent.
Simon refuses to talk about this because Mr Webb won't do a podcast with him if he calls it out.
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@@Alloyd876no they haven't, arsenal & brighton have had the most issues since the start of last season, it's shocking. & irrelevant of who it happens to, they need to sort theor shirt out
the reasoning for the foul is absurd. if you jump up and you've got two hands in the back where does your momentum go? backwards? clueless refs don't even use basic reasoning and laws of physics.
If you watch it in real time Gabriel's reaction was not as the sake as the force applied he was on his way down already and you know it
What?
He was leaning forward to header the ball. He was pushed of balance and couldnt clear it.
None so blind as those who don't want to see or if it's going to do your bank balance a favour then the pictures wouldn't need to be edited.
Even Joelinton new he had pushed gabriel, that's why he didn't celebrate when the ball went in.
The referee didn't make a decision as he was waiting for VAR as said in the audio not shown on here. Then VAR sticks with on field descion as they are both waiting for each other to make a decision.
Spot on. Its just abdication of responsibility.
This is a great point. The ref in this game made it a point to not make a big call on field (Havertz and Bruno reds and the goal) because he has no bottle. It’s a “fix it in post” level of responsibility avoidance.
@@peterandjunkothe ref said it was a goal hence why i didnt get ruled out
Jim White’s analysis: “See! The refs said the goal was good! So it is good! What is everyone fussing about?” Lololol thanks for that critical insight Jim.
Lol Jim is just a wind up merchant
I honestly think Jim White is coked up when discussing Arsenal. He's a narcissistic bar steward...
Its amazing how Simon is Always Judge Jury and Executioner , always knows everything, what is right and what is wrong and what people should believe and his world is final. Or is it just me!
No it’s not just you. So opinionated it’s not even funny
Did PGMOL apologize to Arsenal last year when they forgot to draw a line for offside? If the foul was subjective, and what Arteta said was also subjective, it's a disgrace if you play in beat league in the world but you have no camera for whether the ball was off and outside!
PGMOL doesn't deserve an apology...Arteta was spot on. Why should Arteta apologize for PGMOL incompetence?
He wasn't though and the goal was the right decision
How on earth did you jump to that conclusion? It could have subjectively been given as a foul if it wasn’t for Gabriel simulating the amount of contact from behind. He dived forward like he had been shot and the force of the hands on his back was never capable of causing that much force.
Simon Jordan’s police metaphor is just stupid…..
If you get pulled over and or arrested the police are required by law to tell you why, and they have to establish evidence and present it to take it further….Jordan is a clown……
So the PGMOL continuously get game affecting decisions wrong and we aren’t allowed to hold them to account.
Grow up Simon, there are holes all over this audio, they spent 3 secs on that part of the analysis and didn’t use all angles. To say they are off the hook is none-sense.
Arsenal have NOT been proven to be wrong, it was incompetence on the part of the officials, what about Hojlunds caress of Rodri, who threw himself to the ground theatrically, penalty. Don’t make me laugh.
We are asking for CONSISTENCY, did you see the pat Saka made on the back of the Burnley player, foul given.
It’s a farce and the mainstream media narrative and the horrible choreographed 30 mins with Michael Owen are a disgrace.
ITS BAD FOR FOOTBALL SIMON NOT JUST FOR ARSENAL
Funny how they keep making publ8c apologies to arsenal & brighton, nobody said a thing. Seems pretty ironic that the two managers who've read the mist apology letters in the last 12 months are the ones reaching boiling point & caking out the state or the referees, or is that just me?
@@kurtsudheim825 or could it be that the PGMOL have made horrible errors, not just for Arsenal and Brighton, think Liverpool and Wolves, and would apologise for their refereeing incompetence 🤷♂️
How can VAR tell how strong Joe Linton is? Or whether his hands on Gabriel's back would've been enough to push him over? Ridiculous speculation.
I remember Simon telling Robbie he use peoples anger to build his channel this show reminds me of when AFTV just came out are you guy’s following Don Robbie lol 😅.It is a push on the player the goal should not have stand stop telling us what we should accept especially from a fail club owner.
It was a clear foul !! Not the right decision . Somebody finally voiced out wat they really think of referring in this country . No consistency . Some teams get the same foul and others don’t . Telling it is subjective is a joke !!! Don’t care wat these clowns think . Go for it MA.
"Should mikel apologise to the pgmol?" WELL HOW ABOUT THE PGMOL STOP BLOODY WELL APOLOGISING TO ARSENAL & BRIGHTON! Seems pretty strange that the two managers who have had to read apology letters more than any other are the ones making the most noise about the state of refereeing in the pl doesn't it, or not? No surprise they're getting fed up. Now, i don't think there's anything wrong with the decision to award the goal itself (I vaguely remebering that crazy goal arsenal scored against burnley years back when nobody knew what to say, was no proof), but the issue is with the laws & ways to implement them: people mentioned to the pl do they need more cameras, or better yet, use a chip in the ball like other leagues to tell, yet the richest league in the world was to STINGY, & maybe lazy, to get it sorted, we saw those exact issue in the wc a year ago & the pl around that time as well. How can the rule state the whil ball needs to be over, yet we don't have a way of knowing, & now with tech we can but refuse not to? My issue was more with bruno not getting a red, that was a horrendous decision, considering what we saw in the rugby, that would've been a red easily, this should be a 6 month ban it was so violent.
They did not follow the protocol… the push on Gabriel decision is subjective and the ref should have been sent to the monitor to decide whether it is enough….
Why should MA or Arsenal apologise? 😂😂😂 The decision was the wrong decision. And the audio proves that! Just because they don’t think it’s a foul doesn’t mean everyone else doesn’t think it was. They would never think it’s a foul but the fact that 2 similar decisions since then was ruled as a foul.
Not the wrong decision, no conclusive evidence. Bit they could have, we saw this issue at the wc, & in pl just before our after, yet even after being advised to either use a chip in the ball, or have more cams, they said no, the richest league in the world is to stingy. So they COULD have the right decision.
The ball out and handball, fine. Two hands push in the back and clear offsides is inconclusive though?@@kurtsudheim825
The audio is proving that they went through the right processes to clear the goal, which of course is the right decision due to a degree of subjectivity and inconclusive evidence to rule against the on-field decision. Your comment proves the subjectivity and therefore you cant just rule a goal based on that.
@@jun3078the on field referee waited for the VAR to make decisions (that they never had a view for) because he didn’t have the balls to do it in real time, not because he thought the calls were correct.
I'm not an Arsenal fan but what I have just heard is BS the goal should have been ruled out. VAR is making football worse when it was supposed to make it better. Jordan just likes the sound of his own voice and Murphy is no more than a yes man he could have called Michael Owen out for the weak way he dealt with Webb who certainly is not the answer to the problems with VAR!
Nah. Gabriel milked it. Ball wasnt totally out and it wasnt offside. Goal.
Jim is like a happy wife smiling when Clown Simon speaks
Lool exactly 💯 i never seen such muppet presenter like Jim!!
The VAR saying "I don't see anything that warrants him flying forward like that" is the more ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I'm fuming now more than I was that day.
The main issue with the audio is that it seems that, clearly, the VAR (and not the referee) made the decision on the push/no push incident.
Not really. The ref had already deemed it okay at that tim as his only contentious part is the ball going over the line
So just because the ref in real time gets that decision wrong, it's ok for VAR to also get it wrong?
@@antonyallen8025 But the VAR should assist and not officiate. When they say "I don't see anything there", it shouldn't really be their place to make subjective calls like this.
@@jameshamblin8440 You missed my point. The ref missed in real time, VAR should have indicated that there was an event worth reviewing and let the ref make the call - since it was a subjective one. When they call it, saying there wasn't much there, they are officiating, making a subjective call on an incident that doesn't seem to be clear cut.
@@antonyallen8025 But the main point of contention is the foul is it not?
What does simon think about the fact that the two refs in the var room that day are both refs who officiate in Saudi Arabia?!
He probably thinks your a crazy conspiracy theorist. Are you an American?
See that's a cheap get out ain't it just say those two words " conspiracy theory" and apparently the objections melt away. How about
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@@ftw1540 There is and has been corruption in everything where vast amounts of money is involved since for centuries, to think somehow football has managed to side step this is incredibly naive! We know Fifa were taking bribes for qatar and russia to host the world cups, that is proven and they run the sport!
They probably paid him too
Why aren't you talking about the same situation that happend this weekend arsenal Vs Burnley when saka fouled the Burnley defender in the same way that Gabriel was found... Why was saka's push given as a foul and the Gabriel one wasn't
PGMOL is not there to improve the game and make the right call, it's there to protect refs from embarrassment and it's doing a piss poor job at that while also not making the right call.
Real pity they didn’t mention the inconsistency of the decisions and how hands on Rodri was enough for him to fall and turn 360 yet hands on Gabriel was fine!!!!
We should have pushed everyone in back when the ball goes high . How do u feel about that
This is not about whether the VAR was concise. It is the inconsistency from one week to another when some of these decisions are given and in other instances nit given when the situation is the same.
Simon, could you be any more bitter towards managers and players? The sheer number of big decisions that have gone against Arsenal over the last two seasons in unbelievable.
Time and time again it’s Arsenal and all they do is cover up the refs mistakes. We have to be better as people !
What on earth does this comment even mean?
@@raijinenel3116the pgmol have apologised to arsenal & brighton more than anyone else in the last year, kind of odd that those are the two managers making the most noise about the state of refs, no? Irrespective of who it is, they need to do better, they have the money & tech available, but refuse to use it, we've seen issues before, yet they are repeated: arsenal vs Brentford a year ago, same happens against spurs vs lbpl. Saw the ball crossing the line in the wc, & in the pl just before/after, other leagues use chips or more cams, pl was advised to do that, they ignored. If this was any other job, you & I would be fired for these mistakes being repeated & not listening to warnings & changing. Yet they continue to be useless
Can you imagine with all the VAR technology, these guys come up with statements like " it wasn't conclusive". Jesus Christ why not draw a line and check it. Simon is an absolute clown for being their apologist. Arteta shouldn't apologize. Decisions like these cause managers to lose points and eventually some lose their livelihood. And what will the PGMOL say after that, they'll simply apologize and that's it. Nonsense
As long as VAR did not have cameras to decide if the ball was out or not you cannot say that they got it right, cameras should be in place on all the lines always, if the ball is out play shall of course stop.
You guys must be mad. Two hands on the back is a foul any day. No way to spin this.
I love those callers, there is an agenda here, Simon and Jim are wafflers
Simon Jordan must be a part time ref on Sundays
Simon's face when that dude said there was an agenda against Arsenal was so funny
I am ashamed of how arteta biased you guys are. It was a foul. Var is a disgrace
Arteta should apologise for what? For giving his opinion on a question that he was asked.
Jim white why not talk the issue you are having with Arteta or it's better you write the FA to punish him so you can rest on this issue.
Sorry Simon, but you're way off on this one! You used to be worth a listen, but come across more and more Piers Morgan these days!
If Gabriel did that foul to Joelinton, that would have been given as a penalty. Noone would be arguing that outcome.
since when has two hands in the back not been a foul?
You do know football is a contact sport? There's a difference between having his hands on the back of gabriel and the defender jumping up like a fish out of water - the boy who cried wolf comes to mind seeing as arsenal players love jumping around. You salty arsenal fans should maybe focus on your poor attack in the game rather than blaming a referees decision to award a goal
Essentially it comes down to:- the ref was paid by the same people who own one of the two clubs . So you're insinuating a ref might well favour the club that recently received a financial incentive.
If the advice to the media went out to not question the refs then it would seem that self same media don't want to lose their privileges and perks therefore suggestions like mine will be laughed at along with the two magic words " conspiracy theory" then they all move on to another pointless non debate
@@GIBBO4182 yeh it's the new Howard Webb guidelines soon to be ratified in parliament 😅😅😅
I like how its just shrugged away that they cant see if the ball is out, they cant see if its offside, they cant see if it's handball. We just go with thr onfield decision (as they can see these things better?!). Nevermind it was a foul on Gabriel the point is VAR should see these things. That's the whole bloody point of it. Dozens of cameras yet nothing along the goal line? Its like Wenger's "i didn't see it".... then what is the point of them?!
Simon is living in Cookoo land. Of course, the police are supposed to tell you why you have been arrested. It is the law!!!!!!!!!
Jordan what do you want point deductions why not say it out
Shocking Danny you played the game and you're saying this 😅😅😅😅 it was a foul
No one is embarrassed and stop commenting on most people because if you really wanna comment on “most people” most people in comments are saying it’s a foul ARTETA WAS RIGHT AND NO ONE IS EMBARRASSED
Arteta has no class so he won’t apologise. 20 years in this country and still no respect for the football culture and heritage. Arsenal very unprofessional too.
I stand with arsenal no apologies
So this is the supposed audio that we were lead to believe is from VAR recorded during the incident. What I don’t understand is that it took VAR over 5 minutes to check the goal which I timed from my recording of the game but the audio played here makes it seem like they came to the conclusion in less than a minute. Seems incredibly strange how the audio doesn’t really match up with real time events in terms of the time it took VAR to come up with their decision. It seems like VAR makes it up as they go along. Hojland’s goal against Brighton got ruled out for Rashford supposedly playing the ball out of play but a few weeks later they give a goal because of not enough evidence to say Joe willock played the ball out. Gabriel is pushed in the back and deemed not a foul but Saka pushes a Burnley player in the back before an Burnley own goal is scored and that is judged to be a foul by the referee and the goal is ruled out. The inconsistency is mind boggling. At this point I think you are a complete fool if you don’t at least have some suspicion of corruption.
Disgraceful punditry
Come on Simon, if a policeman pulls you over you do expect them to explain to you what the offence is
I honestly can not believe that people would keep a straight face while claiming that incident to be a legitimate goal. Like Mikel said, "It's an absolute disgrace!". Have some decency!!!
By the way why did it take PGMOL that long to respond with the audio, of course they will always defend themselves because their apology has become unacceptable. It’s still a foul in my opinion.
They took long with the audio cos they recorded one afterwards. It doesn't even seem it was done live.
Theu just made one up, it's utter bs.
I agree. Took nearly 5 minutes live. that was a quick 5 minutes there@@amajeet
White&murphy have an agenda against Arsenal...what about the camera on the goal post...that clearly shows specifically joelinton with both hands on gabriel's neck...i follow ur podcast..owen&webb r biased in their assessment
Owen got that role because he is not going to pressure Howard Webb
Are you deaf?
The audio of the goal was played and VAR state "2 hands on the back but nothing that would warrant Gabriel flying to the floor like that" MEANING Gabriel tried to con the ref with a dive and failed.
@samsby14 it would have been easier for Gabriel to head the ball away the fact the PGMOL are now hiding behind the media and their agenda against Arsenal to get away with poor decisions.
They are actually implying that Gabriel would rather dive than defend in that situation.
If Gabriel wasnt pushed, why didnt he head the ball?
So Arteta needs to apologize to the PGMOL for a wrong decision because the PGMOL says it is not? It was the PGMOL’s decision making that led to the wrong decision in the first place.
An audio from PGMOL doesn’t make it correct. What are these guys smoking?
the push down on Gabriels back is a blatant foul. It stopped him of his ability to jump up and then look at Joelinton's body language after it. He knows he got away with one.
No doubt FA against Arsenal always.
"You'd take it if it was a goal for your team" is absolute nonsense journalism from White there. It has nothing to do with the point that's being made. When you can't retort the point being made you have to resort to calling someone a hypocrite.
It's the lowest form of intelligence and unfortunately it's often used on this channel. The only problem is that most of the listeners are too thick to pick it up too.
How is it not clear and obvious when even from the evidence of the Mic’d up clip, the var and avar saw the foul on and inconclusive camera angle and when the camera any pans to behind the goal showing a clear shove, they do nothing about addressing it!
Jim is just like micky owen dancing to the gallery all the time.. simon the one man encylopedia and i pity for danny he cant make an honest observations without the two wolves jumping on him.. Lol cowards in cooperate attire
The PGMOL cause Arsenal the league last season why not talk about that
What did Arteta do to need to apologize?
They have to explain Simon because without the fans were is football and would you be sitting in that chair talking nonsense.That was a foul end of story howard webb needs to resign.The English media is embarrassing a disgrace Simon and Jim are just puppets
There were more issues than just the goal... the elbow / forearm on Jorginho for example
@DDT4real let's use your logic, if your player had been given a red for an earlier tackle then all this wouldn't be relevant
Under your logic Bruno wouldn't have elbowed Jorginho if your player was sent off for taking out one of our players! Have a listen to yourself honestly
@stanleyonyejiaka9348 I'm saying Arteta was complaining about decisions - plural. So being wrong about one doesnt mean you should apologise. Whether he was wrong or right about all of them is another question.
@@DDT4real you still not getting it, Newcastle's goal was around the 64th minute, the elbow by Bruno was around the 40th or around that period in the game, and the tackle by Harvert was earlier than that, what we are saying is if your player was sent off for that tackle then it's logical to say all this your so-called bad decision won't have happened. Arteta is a good manager no doubt but he is not top-level and these Arsenal fans acting like this one decision would make them not win the league is laughable because you guys don't have a chance. You were perfect for most of last season and still didn't win it. Man City are not at their best and is still topping the league, just because you had one good season in ages doesn't mean the whole Premier League is against you guys winning, your coach, players and fans should grow up
@@stanleyonyejiaka9348 I think you're not getting it. Focus on what I said, which relates to what the actual video is about/the question they are asking - should arteta apologise. The answer is no, because he's arguing the referring is poor. More than one instance. Saying Hazertz should have been sent off is proving the point - poor officiating. Should Bruno have seen red. Yes. So 2 poor decisions. There were others, and against voth teams. So arguing if this happened that wouldn't have is irrelevant, because if you look at each individual incident, there were mistakes.
Which world is this simon guy living in?
It’s not only the fans the need the explanation from the PGMOL but the players, coaches and the football clubs as to why some of these decisions are so bad
Exactly Simon. I wouldn't expect the police to explain why they're arresting me. That's none of my business.
Gabriel got pushed these guys are criminals
What the hell is Simeon saying? 😮.
Refrees are beyond questioning? people like him with such authoritian mindset should not be anywhere close to leadership positions.His take is ridiculous to say the least!
Where was the audio for the 2 potential red cards in the Newcastle v Arsenal game?
They only wanna some parts of VAR & hide the rest.
The PGMOL should apologize to him and Arsenal. The mistake was a egregious. People so quickly forget Bruno G. running around elbowing people in the back of the head. They reviewed it and he should've been sent off. So no...Arteta has nothing to apologize for and suggesting he does is idiotic.
Havertz should have already walked.
That's how Bruno Guimaraes was'nt sent off.
So quickly forget that didn't he?@@Bazooka183
Funny how you don’t talk about havertz being dangerous and reckless
I think Havertz tackle was a foul. But that was in the run of play going for the ball. Bruno G was nowhere near the ball. That was a tackle that was endangering an opponent. They're not the same. @@Bazooka183 @alexanderfullar4107
2 things for sure, Jim is anti-Arsenal and English refs, and those 3 hosts don't have any common football sense regarding that foul. 1000% foul all day except in England i think
Inconclusive does not mean your right and this buzz word subjectivity 🤦🏾♂️you hide behind because the same thing happen and all we’re given as fouls
Listing to the daily anti Arsenal propaganda show 😂
Any of their teams incoming with hands on the back and this show is completely different
This doesn't make Arteta rant wrong.
I just lost respect for Talksport. I cant believe what im hearing. This is an absolute disgrace.
PGMOL, please let me know which team do you support? I want to support the winning team, I do........
Saudi arabia🤣🤣
The Gabriel push was a FOUL. FOUL. It doesn't matter what you say. Arteta was even polite in his comments/reaction. Arsenal was robbed. FINAL. There is nothing to apologise for.
It's not a goal and yes it's a push on the back of Gabby which make's it a foul.. all your analysis is cover up
It's obvious that Simon hatred for Arsenal and Arteta is real.
It was a foul. Jim is a wind up merchant. Simon, the reason it isn’t accepted is because it was a foul. The reason decisions need to be explained is because the system is not fit for purpose. VAR is becoming subjective which is not how it should be used. The on field refs need to be properly trained and paid and regulated and reviewed. VAR should be replaced with technology. Everything that should be judged with tech should be. Everything else should be judged by the refs.
The words were “it looks out, but no conclusive evidence”. Why did you cut “it looks out” from your quote? Because it didn’t fit your narrative?
ARSENAL CAN NOT WIN THE LEAGUE BECAUSE OF REFEREES AND ENGLAND FA
They are spot on with this. If an incident is subjective then by definition it cannot be 100% incorrect therefore no grounds to overturn
the fact that we have the refs explaining their decisions,you know something is wrong somewhere!
More nonsense from Jordan 😂 if you are stopped by the police they explain why.....referees should explain why they make specifically controversial decisions, they are not asked to explain every decision in every game......they are there to facilitate the game, not decide the outcome.
AFC are now criminals for not agreeing with the decisions and backing their staff, and btw I'm not sure you have ever really heard a rant, this was a statement of thoughts on the matter, no shouting, no expletives, calm and factual....just a statement
Thats fine PGMOL. But for now on I don't wanna see no fouls given if someone is pushed with two hands in the back fo any team.
A goal was already disallowed last week when Saka done it to a Burnley player.
The ref is told to let play flow and continue and if there's an infringement VAR will pick it up. However if VAR aren't certain there's been a clear and obvious error they are told to go with the on field decision. Something clearly doesn't add up. That is what's preposterous.
How did they get it right? How was it clear, concise and methodical? The audio was a shambles! It was a FOUL. Arsenal were in their rights to put out a statement and arteta to share his POV.
Never apologize when your right.
just a load of BS … there’s too much variable involve to determine if someone should fall over base on how much weight is on them .. The fact that joelington feet are off the grow and body in a fwd motion says a lot . Saka was call for a fowl doing the same thing , a goal was rule out in the Napoli CL game for the same thing … if it’s the other way around it’s a penalty
The clips just expose VAR for how amateurish they are. The operatives talk over each other, they sound like they are panicking every time there is a decision to be made. They don’t have all the right camera angles. They have an awful 30 minute show hosted by a wet lettuce, Michael Owen. He does not challenged Webb at all, just toes the line. Also, it was clearly a foul, another cover up.
Why are you not addressing the inconsistency in VAR calls? Could it be because it doesn't suit the narrative
you want to push?
Something else I have noticed from watching games these days: PUSHING os far more prevalent than it ever was when I was a player. Shoulder to shoulder was the only contact allowed back then, and if I levered anyone away using my upper arm then I’d be penalised. I see pushing going on prior to headers, prior to players receiving the ball, and simply off the ball. Very rare it gets punished nowadays. I’d boss games with this new lapse in rule upholding. ‘Hands in the back’ ensured that Gabriel was unable to jump upwards. How is that not a blatant foul? Is it passed off as ‘shielding’ or is it as it now seems, that pushing is a part of the game?
TalkSport has an anti-Arteta bias. It’s obvious if you tune in often. But even TalkSport has to realize that Arteta is spot on. The PGMOL does not deserve an apology, full stop. The quality of referees in the EPL is miles below the quality of the players. For starters, the center referees should actually look the part. Far too many of them look far too unfit and are carrying way too much weight. Referees should be in peak physical condition like the players. Not lads who look like regular attendees at the local pub.