Why are they referred to as "both breeds" when they're the same breed with different coat variation? They all originate from the same black herding dogs that is thought to be the origin of schipperke as well and originally the color varieties of belgians weren't tightly defined. In fact when the breed was in the 19th century categorized as belgian shepherds, it was divided in three varieties: long, short and rough coated. Not by color and there were multiple variations known back then, nobody just considered them different to each other. Groenendael and tervueren weren't even considered separate variety. Furthermore in Finland if a groenendael gets brown or grey coated puppies, they are registered as tervueren. And if malinois gets tervueren puppies, they are registered as tervueren. That's how different the "breeds" are. You can easily find tables demonstrating all the belgian varieties that can be born in a litter. It should be pretty obvious that they are not different breeds if say groenendael parents can get tervueren puppies and so on. Anecdotal comments about individual personalities aren't very strong data on the varieties being different. I feel like this video is confusing exhibition lines versus working lines with varieties. Because the video is describing exhibition line qualities as groenendael qualities and working line qualities as tervueren qualities.
@@Yupppi I have heard from an Italian breeder that puppies can get mixed if the forefathers were mixed. A pure bloodline Malinois will only have Malinois puppies. Same with Groenendael, Tervuren and Laekenois. In the past people have done experimenting breeding with Malinois with Tervuren and Groenendael to create a calmer breed of Malinois. That’s why so many people buy the Belgian shepherd in Belgium, because they are pure bloodlines.
My grandparents adopted a young Groenendael and Tervuren from a person who died. The family couldn’t keep the dogs as they live in an apartment in the centre of Milano. My grandparents took them to Rome for a visit and my grandfather wanted to take a picture of my grandmother with the 2 dogs in front of the Trevi fountain, but the Groenie pulled her over and jumped into the fountain. She’s and adorable dog listens very well but not when there is water. They experienced it the hard way. They tried to get her out but she was having so much fun that she refused to come. Finally a cop climbed into the fountain to get her out. Even the cop was in love with her. You can’t get mad at her, she’s so gorgeous and sweet but the Groenendael are far more mischievous than the Tervuren. 😂 The Tervuren is an angel compared to her sister and yet you can’t not love them. The Groenendael walks around the entire day with her ball and anyone who plays with her is her big friend. She only puts it down to eat. She actually reminds me a lot of my Border collie who died almost 2 years ago. They have the same personality. Fun thing, my grandparents took a trainer for the Groenie who’s working hard to keep her out of the water, but the training turns out to be a huge flop, so now my grandparents are letting a pool built in their garden and hopefully if she can swim every day, it will keep her out of the fountains 😂😂
Why are they referred to as "both breeds" when they're the same breed with different coat variation? They all originate from the same black herding dogs that is thought to be the origin of schipperke as well and originally the color varieties of belgians weren't tightly defined. In fact when the breed was in the 19th century categorized as belgian shepherds, it was divided in three varieties: long, short and rough coated. Not by color and there were multiple variations known back then, nobody just considered them different to each other. Groenendael and tervueren weren't even considered separate variety.
Furthermore in Finland if a groenendael gets brown or grey coated puppies, they are registered as tervueren. And if malinois gets tervueren puppies, they are registered as tervueren. That's how different the "breeds" are. You can easily find tables demonstrating all the belgian varieties that can be born in a litter. It should be pretty obvious that they are not different breeds if say groenendael parents can get tervueren puppies and so on.
Anecdotal comments about individual personalities aren't very strong data on the varieties being different. I feel like this video is confusing exhibition lines versus working lines with varieties. Because the video is describing exhibition line qualities as groenendael qualities and working line qualities as tervueren qualities.
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@@Yupppi I have heard from an Italian breeder that puppies can get mixed if the forefathers were mixed. A pure bloodline Malinois will only have Malinois puppies. Same with Groenendael, Tervuren and Laekenois. In the past people have done experimenting breeding with Malinois with Tervuren and Groenendael to create a calmer breed of Malinois. That’s why so many people buy the Belgian shepherd in Belgium, because they are pure bloodlines.
My grandparents adopted a young Groenendael and Tervuren from a person who died. The family couldn’t keep the dogs as they live in an apartment in the centre of Milano. My grandparents took them to Rome for a visit and my grandfather wanted to take a picture of my grandmother with the 2 dogs in front of the Trevi fountain, but the Groenie pulled her over and jumped into the fountain. She’s and adorable dog listens very well but not when there is water. They experienced it the hard way. They tried to get her out but she was having so much fun that she refused to come. Finally a cop climbed into the fountain to get her out. Even the cop was in love with her. You can’t get mad at her, she’s so gorgeous and sweet but the Groenendael are far more mischievous than the Tervuren. 😂 The Tervuren is an angel compared to her sister and yet you can’t not love them. The Groenendael walks around the entire day with her ball and anyone who plays with her is her big friend. She only puts it down to eat. She actually reminds me a lot of my Border collie who died almost 2 years ago. They have the same personality.
Fun thing, my grandparents took a trainer for the Groenie who’s working hard to keep her out of the water, but the training turns out to be a huge flop, so now my grandparents are letting a pool built in their garden and hopefully if she can swim every day, it will keep her out of the fountains 😂😂
Nope. Coat color is the only distinguishing feature between the “varieties” only in the USA are they separate breeds.
I think the part about Groenendael being slightly more stubborn and aloof is true. Mine sure exhibits that character.
We’ll have to agree to disagree about coat color causing behavior changes. My Belgian sheepdog has a littermate that is Tervuren color.
My Hungarian Groen has Tervuren and even Mal in her pedigree, it's all one breed except the US. Yup.
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