The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of those of us who live in “advanced” countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering (in the Third World to physical suffering as well) and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world. The continued development of technology will worsen the situation. It will certainly subject human beings to greater indignities and inflict greater damage on the natural world, it will probably lead to greater social disruption and psychological suffering, and it may lead to increased physical suffering even in “advanced”
nah, it's true. he's never really done a so-called 'fortress arc' but this past year is probably the closest thing to one as he acclimated to amphetamines. it was a good productive year still, just in new ways.
@@discobecky9179 If so its not a self-imposed arc. This doldrum is mostly because of Rightoids finally realizing they can't win when facts are the topic of discussion.
And Conner was a perfect example of why it was pointless. A small amount of digging and his entire argument is based on the opinions of 2 whistleblowers on youtube. Meanwhile we have so much evidence of the unhinged nature of Trumps picks or the economic harm of trumps policies but we are screaming about a guy taking money from a murdererd chinese millionaire
You're right because J6 is propaganda and Hunter ACTUALLY broke the law and snitched on HIMSELF! The comparison with Charles Kushner is great... Shows EXACTLY how little people know and understand... (Hint: it was an expungement...)
The stupidest thing is that all republicans set democrats to an impossible standard. It’s unfair to address someone pardoning their son for a heavily politicized crime, and then go and say January 6th was nothing. That’s why
But the other side would do the same if trump did the same lol. Both sides are hypocrites. And also who tf wouldn’t pardon their son 😂 he didn’t kill anybody (as far as I know)
this was my first panel and i didn't speak much because i'm not sure large panels are for me. but it was fun nonetheless, i enjoyed talking with everybody
well i mean giving your family a full blanket pardon for a whole decade of crimes seems like an abuse of pardon power. Pardon 1 crime or at least make him confess to what he wants pardoned but no, Biden gives full immunity to every and all crimes (including murders) for a whole DECADE
Trump pardoned the nisour square massacre guys who murdered like 20 iraqis. Getting outraged over a dad pardoning his son who was only targetted because people hate his dad is crazy.
Targeted? Hunter was involved in the Burisma scandal (the board of which he joined in 2014, conveniently the same year which Biden extended the pardon back to for crimes Hunter "may have committed"), lied on his gun forms, which is a felony, left his open firearm in the dumpster outside of a school, was sexting his neice, and likely doing crack in the white house. Do we not remember the laptop? The suppression? The "10% for the big guy" which had been confirmed by Hunter to be referring to Joe? But none of you care about any of this, you're only capable of making low-effort appeals to hypocrisy, and misrepresenting the entire reason most of America seriously dislikes this pardon. And don't forget, Biden himself is on record multiple times saying that he will not pardon Hunter, and so he is a categorical liar, which even a lot of Democrats are able to recognize now.
Should use Conner's smoking vs meth analogy against him. Let's imagine you are a cop and walk into a train station. There is a guy smoking meth, screaming at people and jumping around. There is also a guy smoking a cigarette quietly in the corner. Who do you arrest first? Take it a step further you try to arrest the meth head and he attacks you. While your fighting him your buddy cops come in, ignore the fist fight you are in with a meth head and focus on the guy with a cigarette.
But first Conner must naturally act like a meth addict and then make fun of the meth addicts mannerisms while we're all like you aren't mimicking him. You also speak too fast, have a high pitched voice, and constantly wave your hands around
@@erikhuebner3658 Arrested for smoking a cigarette? Since the violent meth head is protected by the cops, crying about someone smoking a cigarette would be pure psychosis.
Was Trump given money for doing business or because his dad was VP? Are you telling me Hunter was qualified for a multi million dollar position at a Ukrainian gas company while simultaneously saying he was an addict who couldn't be responsible for any of his crimes?
Hunter wasnt included in Bidens admin but Jared and Ivanka were and Don Jr is setting policy and picking VPs and all of them have buckets of shady billionaire deals from Chija and Saudi Arabia
@@mrsynergex1735 Biden: I won't pardon my son GOP: We're giving him the death penalty for a tax charge Biden: hmm shit I guess I can't pardon him now I said I woudln't HOW CUCKED!
Without going full South Korea what do you imagine getting more assertive or forceful looks like? They threw EVERYTHING at this man, pulled all the brakes and threw the kitchen sink again and again only to reveal the depths of rot in the system itself leading to his victory. Just look at the sad state of discourse excusing the blatantly immoral and obviously corrupt retroactive blank check for any criminal act just because it serves your team. Hey perhaps you are the baddies?
I hate it when people go " this isn't a game" yes it fucking is! It's all a fucking game!! If you're playing poker and one player keeps openly redrawing their cards because they don't like their hand, and you occasionally misspeak and want to take back your fold, the solution isn't for the dealer to yell and scream at you for "ruining the sanctity and legitimacy of the rules, we must lead by example or other people who **might** want to play the game will be turned off by your cheating and won't join us!", it's to either hold the fucking cheater to account or everyone acknowledges there are new house-rules!
Watching more, oh my fucking God they're still arguing this. It's Schoolhouse Rock politics, 2nd grade American History politics. Fucking neoliberals/centrist thinking that if they just believe hard enough, show unrelenting integrity, that the "Undecided/Reasonable Voter" will be convinced and come to the polls like they're Tinker Bell.
Pardoning your guilty son isn't "taking back a fold" and you know it. Ideally the dealer holds the two to account because the new house-rules are going to make for a really bad time. Don't advocate for the house-rules.
@@cdubsb3831the analogy was totally apt. The dealer is *not* holding the two to account so the *ideal* part is irrelevant. Advocating for the house rules is not a bad thing - if all parties play by the rules. Given that the rules are not being followed I can forgive the advocating party for committing a justifiable breach which is only a fraction of the seriousness of the opposing party's breaches.
I'm not gonna let my son--or anyone being punished simply for their relationship to me --go to prison for openly politically-motivated reasons just to prove I'm a better person than the opposition. Especially when the morality of the opposition is just as openly non-existent. TY.
Spot on. I’m happy this guy in the middle came on, because someone with takes as regarded as his need to be publicly fleshed out of the Democratic Party. He’ll sit there and cry “norms and ethics” to Dems while the other party turns our country into an autocracy.
He committed crimes, was found guilty, and you said for years, to the American people that you serve and represent, that you absolutely would not pardon him. Does your situation change then? Because it should.
14:10 is nuts. You have to put in the effort to make a real change in your life. You can’t just say Jan 6 was bad and still support the Jan 6 crap. You have to run your life now like you actually disavow Jan 6. One day isn’t enough. No one is taking an alcoholic serious when they say they are 1 day sober.
How does that 1.5% make a difference if he won the electoral college? How did this debate even shift to arguing this? They went from "Should the left keep sacrificing ground to maintain what only the left perceives as high ground." to arguing about how to move 1.5% of the popular vote in a electoral college race. Clinton won the popular vote by 2.1% and still lost to Trump. It feels like this was one of those arguments meant to distract you from real arguments, by making you run circles arguing pointless ones.
@@bigwheel9468 that’s still a nonsensical point though, because as the original comment pointed out number one, the popular vote doesn’t matter the electoral college vote does and he won that across the board not one swing state went to Kamala And secondly, even if it was based on the popular vote, even that one percent difference is still endlessly, defeatist and demoralizing . Because a candidate like Donald Trump should never have more than 20% of any populations vote. This man is the most unelectable individual potentially in history short of someone who’s committed actual genocide. And he’s done just about everything wrong anyone could he’s a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist and attempted insurrectionist. The fact this guy got anywhere close to winning much less actually won even if only by one percent in terms of the popular vote anyways is still a damning statement on the state of the nation and how hopeless a lot of this actually is, Because this much of the nation never should’ve been on his side to begin with America has demonstrated that the majority of its people are either best case scenario complete morons who have no idea what they’re talking about and are useful idiots at best or at worst are knowing liars Who are actively malicious and evil as long as it secures their own power either way, I don’t care the end result is the same and that’s why it’s defeat and why one percent doesn’t matter because it never should’ve been 1% to begin with. It never should’ve been more than 20% in his favor. If this candidate could not convince the majority of the Republicans not to vote for the right wing, nothing will and anyone who thinks there is something out there who can do it is just engaging in delusion.
@@theomnidegenerate5236Biden DID win in 2020 tho. So people won’t vote for a guy like Trump every time. Have some hope. Or give up, I guess? I don’t know, having hope sounds more fun. And realistic
Biden made the right call. Its not about Hunter being Biden’s son. The republican side have okayed every single highly questionable pardon Trump meted out to his red friends and pals. In comparison, Hunter’s offense so to speak is very very comparatively trivial, even on its face alone. Salut to my President Joe, and of course my guy Steven.❤
Stop trying, it's indefensible, and you know it's indefensible. But it's ok, it was very poorly thought out, and will backfire tremendously, because Hunter can no longer plead the 5th.
A bit awkward to use your dwarf from Deeprock Galactic as your vtuber model but the guy in the middle really paid attention to get that lifelike rigging.
There is nobody more uninteresting, and unlistenable in this entire field is counterpoints. Bro is literally your edgy older brother who acts above it all without actually knowing about anythjng he talks about.
@howdareyou41 well not many people actually want to host panels anymore as they're really difficult to schedule and don't get as many views as they once did. Also not many people give him money. Progressive victory used to bit I think they stopped paying content creators? Could be wrong idk.
Well they're good for when your party is beholden to a chronic abuser of law, power, and credulity and you want to get-out-of-jail-free your future cabinet picks. Although tbf it was stretched quite a bit in the years before 2020
No, you could have done it AND changed for the better, thus a pardon. "victim" with finger quotes, is subjective and anyone and everyone in their own and each others mind would qualify.
The president can pardon anyone. Trump set the bad precedence of pardoning bad people. As far as it goes, Biden did everything by the book and did not even violate etiquette.
@@gabemord5088 first start with spelling and second were was this outraged when Trump did it... I find the pardon just a nothing burger...instead we could discuss should president have such a power to pardon anyone he wants...but people don't want to have that discussion
"Showing up to a knife fight with your fists over and over again" bit is such a great analogy. Playing by the rules, and allowing the other team that doesn't even bother to read the rules to chasitize you for smallest infractions, is just asking to get your ass whopped. And i am not saying 'Start breaking the rules like they do'. I am saying you should grab the damn judge by the collar, show him the other player lacing the ball with anthrax, and saying "See, he is lacing the ball with anthrax, do something about it and stop bothering me about my untied shoe".
Fair but if you build your entire narrative on being the guy that plays by the rules and then dont, dont be surprised when people call you a hypocrite. The issue is self-made.
@@CrestOfArtoriasNo, the issue is that my untied shoe is getting a penalty kick, while anthrax laced ball is said to be kindaaaa baaad, but we'll allow it so they don't throw a tantrum on field.
"Alternative media" doesn't always mean the person is going to be intelligent/ a gem. Some of them are braindead and make me wonder how some people even get dressed by themselves. Best example would be that shit for brains "Nina" that Destiny debated in 2020.
“yeah, this person attempted to overthrow our democracy and faced no punishment, but this guy committed tax evasion and if we don’t punish him it’ll erode our institution of justice”
This is what Democrats should’ve been doing every time a republican said “the election was stolen” dems should’ve said “haha your just a cry baby you lost get over it loser” The issue is dems don’t play at a toddler level like the magas but you have too
Connor’s analogy would be pretty good… if it also included that the democrats weren’t allowed to make 3-pointers, dunk, couldn’t make pivot steps and the republicans aren’t subject to double dribbling nor flagrant fouls
@balakay5084 "most go to prison" my guy just in my friend and family group of about 60 people ik 15 people who have weapons they absolutely should not have legally. Owning guns even though you shouldn't for whatever reason is the norm here in america and folk are rarely charged for it, and when they are charged it's cause the weapon was used in a crime as well and they are just trying to add on time to the criminal.
@ProperlyGaming let me be more specific... lying on your purchase form at an actual licensed FFL dealer... you're saying you've actually done this? That's what hunter did
I like how the mod is just sitting there with a smile on his face and just watching the world burn. I also feel like in their minds the more they curse the stronger they sound.
"I'm going to sit and rant for 10 minutes and no is allowed to interrupt me" ........ "I'm going to continuously interrupt anyone who responds to me" edit: rules for thee, but not for me...... Status quo republican
He won’t because he doesn’t understand extremism, trump grew in an environment of left wing accountability culture. What makes you think that will work when every single populist movement grew in accountability culture. Only a culture of competence can beat it and Biden didn’t have that, Harris especially didn’t.
@@dfmrcv862 exactly why wasn’t there any? Now go and watch his first primary, his first presidential debates, the media while he was in office, hell even look at his recent Harris debate. Didn’t seem to work did it? So why argue for it when it didn’t work the first 4 years.
@@dfmrcv862 then how did he get his criminal convictions, how is there still an ongoing trial regarding Jan 6th? I’m saying if there was accountability he wouldn’t be president. Yet in spite of all this he is. Which tells you the strategy is dumb. It doesn’t work for populists and the left would know that if they hadn’t had several years of populism as well.
Push back more against the narrative that a Yale graduate, Vice President of MBNA at 28, venture capitalist and hedge fund manager should not be working in international business. It's ridiculous.
@@dfmrcv862 The norms are already broken, clearly you still have failed to grasp his point, which is that norms don't work if only one side follows them, it's not that playing by the same rules that your enemy does is "good" it is NESECARRY if you don't want to lose.
@okaydetar821 that's retraced and you know it. Which party got rid of the filibuster? Which party had bail funds for people literally trying to overthrow the federal government? To pretend breaking norms is practical because "well only one side is following the norms" is such massive cope when that party has been the one breaking them for decades!
My issue with trying to say that Republicans rebuked the events of January 6, or that immediately after they realized voters don’t give a fuck they changed their positions on it, they had acted as if those norms they were worried about still existed, but they don’t and when they realize that they changed their minds about caring
🤔Sometimes I listen to a Destiny debate and have absolutely no idea what anyone is talking about, and must use the feels force to determine whether or not Destiny's right. This is one of those debates.
Basically, Trump is objectively worse than Biden on an issue that folks on both sides disproportionately dunk on Biden for. It's valid whataboutism for the Dems, especially after every Republican has whataboutism'd when confronted about Jan6 since two weeks after Jan6 to right this moment.
Legal eagle made a video on Hunter Biden's case in a concise manner. But you can read the cases yourself if you got time So far, I do believe that this was just a political move made by the Republicans, but I need to look more into it
how is this even an argument, the supreme court ruled that all official acts by the president are above the law. pardoning someone is an official act so why are people being mad? isn't this what the supreme court wanted?
Let’s “get back to norms” by allowing your son to be the ongoing target of a totally partisan and politically driven assault by an FBI and DOJ run by totally unqualified, loyalist cabinet picks. There is no tit for tat game theory at play here. For the guy in the middle in a kids room, you are part of the problem, not the solution. When my dog does something stupid that he enjoys, and I continuously allow that to happen, I’m enabling the problem. Grow a backbone. Enlightening the republicans through reciting norms is not the answer. Going high when they go low is inherently divisive. Idk what the answer is, but at least I own that. Half of you are here saying “Destiny lost the plot”. You have no idea what the problem or solution is, but are typing partisan hack responses because it makes you feel good about yourself, while bringing ZERO value or substance to the conversation. Dems need an adult in the room, and unfortunately, adults need to answer fire with fire sometimes. Parents are nice 99% of the time, but if you go after their kids, they aren’t going to play nice. This is common sense.
The best thing to come out of this debate is Quibbles leaning super far forward and getting red while angry that he looks like a gnome with a massive forehead
Ahh bloodsports debate, the last bastion of honest political discourse. I will say, it was surprisingly cathartic to hear Conor admit being a Democrat is hard as fuck. Hes one of the few conservatives i respect these days. A true Republican.
destiny's earlier analogy about having a last drink on your deathbed doesnt make sense, because having a final drink doesnt affect the integrity of others.
Unabomber screaming from a kid's room is peak content
It's the nursery at the daycare his parents left him at for the day with their ipad.
The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of those of us who live in “advanced” countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering (in the Third World to physical suffering as well) and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world. The continued development of technology will worsen the situation. It will certainly subject human beings to greater indignities and inflict greater damage on the natural world, it will probably lead to greater social disruption and psychological suffering, and it may lead to increased physical suffering even in “advanced”
He looks like Tyrion Lannister
i like him
@@ILuvCoconutWater we should have stayed farmers
It's felt like so long since Destiny had a late night degen debate like this one. Maybe it's the discord windows that give me the nostalgia.
nah, it's true. he's never really done a so-called 'fortress arc' but this past year is probably the closest thing to one as he acclimated to amphetamines. it was a good productive year still, just in new ways.
yea this was a good one i was vibing
@@discobecky9179 If so its not a self-imposed arc. This doldrum is mostly because of Rightoids finally realizing they can't win when facts are the topic of discussion.
For sure whick always getting the panelists worked up by his mere presence
Nature is healing 🥰🥰🥰
destiny out there debating powerpuff girls villains
Crazy work 🤣🤣🤣
Our country creates these attention based economies so the working class can wonder why they have to do all the work.
dev is bubbles
😂
Are we gonna include your mother on that list?
Destiny made a good point about this conversation being pointless in the beginning.
I THINK THAT I'M TOM CRUISE
And Conner was a perfect example of why it was pointless. A small amount of digging and his entire argument is based on the opinions of 2 whistleblowers on youtube.
Meanwhile we have so much evidence of the unhinged nature of Trumps picks or the economic harm of trumps policies but we are screaming about a guy taking money from a murdererd chinese millionaire
Destiny is pointless.
Your life is pointless
@@cwalker228 that's kinda deep actually
Putting jan 6 and the hunter biden pardon in the same sentence is insane
You're right, they are completely separate issues
Yeah it is. Why can’t we just talk about them individually?
Pretending the left cares about insurrections after the summer of 2020 is even more insane.
You're right because J6 is propaganda and Hunter ACTUALLY broke the law and snitched on HIMSELF!
The comparison with Charles Kushner is great... Shows EXACTLY how little people know and understand... (Hint: it was an expungement...)
The stupidest thing is that all republicans set democrats to an impossible standard. It’s unfair to address someone pardoning their son for a heavily politicized crime, and then go and say January 6th was nothing. That’s why
If Hunter was trumps son republicans would be making t shirts with him and the American flag on it
Yeah and I would think they were being weird little freaks for it
But the other side would do the same if trump did the same lol. Both sides are hypocrites. And also who tf wouldn’t pardon their son 😂 he didn’t kill anybody (as far as I know)
Exactly. Trump also has a son who owns guns while having a drug problem but no Republicans are calling for Don Jr. to be arrested for some reason.
@@BigO631missing the point..... 🤦
I really don't like this form of argument, that is simultaneously unfalsifiable and an appeal to hypocrisy.
For a dude that constantly complains about other people interrupting him, Counter sure loves to interrupt people.
Some people are literally so self centered they think you're interrupting the beginning of their sentence with the middle of yours.
Many such cases.
He’s insufferable
Looking forward to hear what the one burglar in "Home alone" has to say about this
Maaaaarv!!
Best joke so far
Hahahah
Joe Pesci?
the missing link in the middle haha
this was my first panel and i didn't speak much because i'm not sure large panels are for me. but it was fun nonetheless, i enjoyed talking with everybody
I love you dev, please be on this debates more!
Your jan 6 video was dope, and unlike other jan 6 videos, actually exists.
:ccccc dev you are smol but you must speak big. you gotta embrace the blood sports
Hopefully you get on more
I love your inputs. Hopefully you do more debates/panels
"It feels a little scorched Earth" 5:50
Y'all the democrats are so screwed if THIS is scorched earth for us!
Was probably hyped that the Dems actually did something this time around lmao
For real Democrats can't leverage power and are afraid of the optics when they barely use power. We're so fucked
We are. That's the point everyone could have agreed on
well i mean giving your family a full blanket pardon for a whole decade of crimes seems like an abuse of pardon power. Pardon 1 crime or at least make him confess to what he wants pardoned but no, Biden gives full immunity to every and all crimes (including murders) for a whole DECADE
Liberals need tankie energy. Please defend Liberalism because we are screwed otherwise
Damn, piano in less than 30 minutes? That's gotta be a new WR
Last time I saw Bob Ross this fired up he was painting a landscape.
What an insult to Bob Ross.
I don't think Bob Ross would wait an hour to say something and then vomit up rubbish on the canvas.
conor arguing with laws while the party that he supports is breaking every law imaginable us kinda hilarious
counter points needs to really lay off the Hollywood movies...
Conor literally couldn’t find two brain cells to rub together
Conor is a never Trumper though. He does go hard after the current Republicans.
I don’t think Counterpoints supports the Republican Party as it currently is though
So we should reject everything he has to say only because he's a republican?
Trump pardoned the nisour square massacre guys who murdered like 20 iraqis. Getting outraged over a dad pardoning his son who was only targetted because people hate his dad is crazy.
Targeted? Hunter was involved in the Burisma scandal (the board of which he joined in 2014, conveniently the same year which Biden extended the pardon back to for crimes Hunter "may have committed"), lied on his gun forms, which is a felony, left his open firearm in the dumpster outside of a school, was sexting his neice, and likely doing crack in the white house. Do we not remember the laptop? The suppression? The "10% for the big guy" which had been confirmed by Hunter to be referring to Joe?
But none of you care about any of this, you're only capable of making low-effort appeals to hypocrisy, and misrepresenting the entire reason most of America seriously dislikes this pardon. And don't forget, Biden himself is on record multiple times saying that he will not pardon Hunter, and so he is a categorical liar, which even a lot of Democrats are able to recognize now.
So hunter didn't commit any crimes?
@@randomdude6675 Ah, there's the rub.
Instead of answering, may I interest you in: "But Trump" ?
@@randomdude6675even if he did the performative “outrage” from the right is just superficial, bad faith and hypocritical. Comes off disingenuous
They probably don’t even hate Joe, they just get off to the power game here and they know it works well optically for our low info populous
Should use Conner's smoking vs meth analogy against him. Let's imagine you are a cop and walk into a train station. There is a guy smoking meth, screaming at people and jumping around. There is also a guy smoking a cigarette quietly in the corner. Who do you arrest first?
Take it a step further you try to arrest the meth head and he attacks you. While your fighting him your buddy cops come in, ignore the fist fight you are in with a meth head and focus on the guy with a cigarette.
This is whataboutism. Trump never have a blanket lifetime pardon for any crimes discovered or not..
But first Conner must naturally act like a meth addict and then make fun of the meth addicts mannerisms while we're all like you aren't mimicking him. You also speak too fast, have a high pitched voice, and constantly wave your hands around
First guy is Destiny? Is THAT how bad it's got for him?
But they should both be arrested? It would be bad if both were not arrested, right?
@@erikhuebner3658 Arrested for smoking a cigarette? Since the violent meth head is protected by the cops, crying about someone smoking a cigarette would be pure psychosis.
Him: The democrats pardoning hunter is pushing the international business takeover narrative.
Me: TRUMP IS AN INTERNATIONAL BUSINESSMAN.
Yeah but…*insert excuse and justification 1,2,3,etc. here, so it’s different
Was Trump given money for doing business or because his dad was VP? Are you telling me Hunter was qualified for a multi million dollar position at a Ukrainian gas company while simultaneously saying he was an addict who couldn't be responsible for any of his crimes?
@@droptableaccount1820apparently elon snorts ketamine, so probably.
@@droptableaccount1820 Did trump not LITERALLY have his son in the middle east signing billion dollar deal?
Hunter wasnt included in Bidens admin but Jared and Ivanka were and Don Jr is setting policy and picking VPs and all of them have buckets of shady billionaire deals from Chija and Saudi Arabia
Ahhh back to the classics feels good.
This dude really said Clinton's reward for cooperating was almost winning an election 😂😂😂 can't take him serious
What a strange way to spell "lost"
As usual...Destiny's question is the only one that matters. The fundamental question. And everyone wants to ignore it.
Just bc he Aussie focuses on that topic doesn't mean it's the only one that matters
Why is he defending the corruption?
@@mrsynergex1735 hes not
Okay, so current at break, but I wanna know. What is Destinys take on the pardon?
@@mrsynergex1735
Biden: I won't pardon my son
GOP: We're giving him the death penalty for a tax charge
Biden: hmm shit I guess I can't pardon him now I said I woudln't
HOW CUCKED!
Have the "everything matters" guys considered that democrats growing some balls might get them more votes?
Without going full South Korea what do you imagine getting more assertive or forceful looks like? They threw EVERYTHING at this man, pulled all the brakes and threw the kitchen sink again and again only to reveal the depths of rot in the system itself leading to his victory. Just look at the sad state of discourse excusing the blatantly immoral and obviously corrupt retroactive blank check for any criminal act just because it serves your team. Hey perhaps you are the baddies?
guy in top left is actually an invalid, void of discernment
Counter Points is cringe as fuck.
"DONT INTERRUPT ME REEEEE!!11!1!!"
*proceeds to inturrupt every single panelist every single time they speak
They all are. Except for the dude in the top left.
I hate it when people go " this isn't a game" yes it fucking is! It's all a fucking game!!
If you're playing poker and one player keeps openly redrawing their cards because they don't like their hand, and you occasionally misspeak and want to take back your fold, the solution isn't for the dealer to yell and scream at you for "ruining the sanctity and legitimacy of the rules, we must lead by example or other people who **might** want to play the game will be turned off by your cheating and won't join us!", it's to either hold the fucking cheater to account or everyone acknowledges there are new house-rules!
Watching more, oh my fucking God they're still arguing this. It's Schoolhouse Rock politics, 2nd grade American History politics. Fucking neoliberals/centrist thinking that if they just believe hard enough, show unrelenting integrity, that the "Undecided/Reasonable Voter" will be convinced and come to the polls like they're Tinker Bell.
Pardoning your guilty son isn't "taking back a fold" and you know it. Ideally the dealer holds the two to account because the new house-rules are going to make for a really bad time. Don't advocate for the house-rules.
@@cdubsb3831the analogy was totally apt.
The dealer is *not* holding the two to account so the *ideal* part is irrelevant.
Advocating for the house rules is not a bad thing - if all parties play by the rules.
Given that the rules are not being followed I can forgive the advocating party for committing a justifiable breach which is only a fraction of the seriousness of the opposing party's breaches.
@@Falroth you miss the point that advocating for house rules entails everybody cheating more.
@@cdubsb3831 how does advocating for house rules entail cheating more?
This is painful to listen to. Democrats are gone. All of them.
Democrats are just getting started 🗽
I'm not gonna let my son--or anyone being punished simply for their relationship to me --go to prison for openly politically-motivated reasons just to prove I'm a better person than the opposition. Especially when the morality of the opposition is just as openly non-existent. TY.
This is the correct take.
I agree.
Exactly. If one of trump’s sons finally got busted with their coke or whatever reason and faced the federal courts you know he would pardon them.
Spot on. I’m happy this guy in the middle came on, because someone with takes as regarded as his need to be publicly fleshed out of the Democratic Party. He’ll sit there and cry “norms and ethics” to Dems while the other party turns our country into an autocracy.
He committed crimes, was found guilty, and you said for years, to the American people that you serve and represent, that you absolutely would not pardon him. Does your situation change then? Because it should.
14:10 is nuts. You have to put in the effort to make a real change in your life. You can’t just say Jan 6 was bad and still support the Jan 6 crap. You have to run your life now like you actually disavow Jan 6. One day isn’t enough. No one is taking an alcoholic serious when they say they are 1 day sober.
Bingo.
🧑🏼⚖️🧑🏼⚖️🧑🏼⚖️ adjourned
How does that 1.5% make a difference if he won the electoral college? How did this debate even shift to arguing this? They went from "Should the left keep sacrificing ground to maintain what only the left perceives as high ground." to arguing about how to move 1.5% of the popular vote in a electoral college race. Clinton won the popular vote by 2.1% and still lost to Trump. It feels like this was one of those arguments meant to distract you from real arguments, by making you run circles arguing pointless ones.
Ding ding ding
Pragmatically yes but its more to show the spirit of the country so to speak, what the majority view is.
@@bigwheel9468 that’s still a nonsensical point though, because as the original comment pointed out number one, the popular vote doesn’t matter the electoral college vote does and he won that across the board not one swing state went to Kamala
And secondly, even if it was based on the popular vote, even that one percent difference is still endlessly, defeatist and demoralizing . Because a candidate like Donald Trump should never have more than 20% of any populations vote. This man is the most unelectable individual potentially in history short of someone who’s committed actual genocide.
And he’s done just about everything wrong anyone could he’s a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist and attempted insurrectionist. The fact this guy got anywhere close to winning much less actually won even if only by one percent in terms of the popular vote anyways is still a damning statement on the state of the nation and how hopeless a lot of this actually is,
Because this much of the nation never should’ve been on his side to begin with America has demonstrated that the majority of its people are either best case scenario complete morons who have no idea what they’re talking about and are useful idiots at best or at worst are knowing liars Who are actively malicious and evil as long as it secures their own power either way, I don’t care the end result is the same and that’s why it’s defeat and why one percent doesn’t matter because it never should’ve been 1% to begin with. It never should’ve been more than 20% in his favor. If this candidate could not convince the majority of the Republicans not to vote for the right wing, nothing will and anyone who thinks there is something out there who can do it is just engaging in delusion.
You can make the same argument for the blue wall swing states
@@theomnidegenerate5236Biden DID win in 2020 tho. So people won’t vote for a guy like Trump every time. Have some hope. Or give up, I guess? I don’t know, having hope sounds more fun. And realistic
The counter points guy is like a Republican version of Cenk
Trump: discard all norms rules of law multiple times and wins. Crickets
Democrats: does it once.
It’s the end of democracy!!!!
You lost 🫵🏻🥱
@ no it was rigged. The ghost of jugo Chavez beamed down from Jewish space lasers bought by musk won the election.
Who on earth is saying democracy is over??? We are calling Biden corrupt. Which he clearly is.
@@dfmrcv862so are you calling trump corrupt?
@@ChrisCoelho Sure. Just not on Biden's level.
Biden made the right call. Its not about Hunter being Biden’s son.
The republican side have okayed every single highly questionable pardon Trump meted out to his red friends and pals.
In comparison, Hunter’s offense so to speak is very very comparatively trivial, even on its face alone.
Salut to my President Joe, and of course my guy Steven.❤
Exposed bias confirmed. Whataboutism confirmed.
He's pardoned for all crimes forever no matter the offense for eleven years...
@@jer280they don't get it they are lost children
Stop trying, it's indefensible, and you know it's indefensible. But it's ok, it was very poorly thought out, and will backfire tremendously, because Hunter can no longer plead the 5th.
didn’t Biden specifically say he wasn’t gonna pardon him tho ?
That Connor dude kept crying about getting interrupted while interrupting everyone else 10 seconds after.
A bit awkward to use your dwarf from Deeprock Galactic as your vtuber model but the guy in the middle really paid attention to get that lifelike rigging.
Did I hear a rock and stone!?!?!
@@RyptCripper Rock and Stone, Brother!
There is nobody more uninteresting, and unlistenable in this entire field is counterpoints. Bro is literally your edgy older brother who acts above it all without actually knowing about anythjng he talks about.
I will call my first daughter Destiny.
and ill call my first son Steven
Your first daughter will be on onlyfans
@@xander4218 And I'll call my first nonbinary child Bonnel
@@xander4218 Steven is a Destiny's name.
@@danielzhang5842👏
2 + 2 DOES equal 4.... Good job slugger ⭐
Moderator sucked
@@yjxoxo yes Whick does suck
Whick is human garbo, tbh. A sniffling, simpering coward fence sitter.
Who is the mod
who is wick and why do people give him money and let him hosts these debates?
@howdareyou41 well not many people actually want to host panels anymore as they're really difficult to schedule and don't get as many views as they once did. Also not many people give him money. Progressive victory used to bit I think they stopped paying content creators? Could be wrong idk.
Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.
I award them no points and may God have mercy on their souls!
The point of the pardon is to pardon people who are VICTIMS of the justice system. Otherwise, why the FUCK would we be okay with pardons?
Well they're good for when your party is beholden to a chronic abuser of law, power, and credulity and you want to get-out-of-jail-free your future cabinet picks. Although tbf it was stretched quite a bit in the years before 2020
No, you could have done it AND changed for the better, thus a pardon. "victim" with finger quotes, is subjective and anyone and everyone in their own and each others mind would qualify.
The president can pardon anyone. Trump set the bad precedence of pardoning bad people. As far as it goes, Biden did everything by the book and did not even violate etiquette.
Ted Kaczynski yelling from a kids room is killing me
Conner Emphasize the meaning "If I'm Loud Enough they won't realize that I'm Wrong"
U mean destiny right ?
@@lizardman1303 ....No, destiny may get be Loud but at least he Knows what he talking about and is correct
@ I think he has become unhinged and very angry after his divorce. I disagree with a lot of what he says but atleast I understood his logic before .
@JijonJang you're as delusional as Destiny is. Destiy is wrong and is defending corruption just becuase it's on his side.
@@gabemord5088 first start with spelling and second were was this outraged when Trump did it... I find the pardon just a nothing burger...instead we could discuss should president have such a power to pardon anyone he wants...but people don't want to have that discussion
"Showing up to a knife fight with your fists over and over again" bit is such a great analogy.
Playing by the rules, and allowing the other team that doesn't even bother to read the rules to chasitize you for smallest infractions, is just asking to get your ass whopped.
And i am not saying 'Start breaking the rules like they do'. I am saying you should grab the damn judge by the collar, show him the other player lacing the ball with anthrax, and saying "See, he is lacing the ball with anthrax, do something about it and stop bothering me about my untied shoe".
Fair but if you build your entire narrative on being the guy that plays by the rules and then dont, dont be surprised when people call you a hypocrite. The issue is self-made.
@@CrestOfArtoriasNo, the issue is that my untied shoe is getting a penalty kick, while anthrax laced ball is said to be kindaaaa baaad, but we'll allow it so they don't throw a tantrum on field.
Anyone else just skip past Connor Rant
Counterpoints gets more petty and outwardly bad faith every debate I see him featured in
By the way this conversation lasted roughly 10 hours, nearly the length of the entire stream
Bad faith is what pedophiles say so they can recognize each other in public.
Counter "I would have to look this up" Points
@@gabber_ Counter “I sent you this a year ago” Points
@@CounterpointsCunnilingus "I'm going to leave my children with a wasteland if i get my way" Points
Conner is an insufferable pedant.
4:12 I'm glad SFO never turned to the dark side, and actually calls Trump out on his evils 🙏
New theory: The guy in the middle is hanging upside down.
That man in the middle looking like Nick Fuentes after living in a jungle for three years
Sus
That Gordon Ramsey rant from whoever that idiot is in the top left was absurdly stupid.
"Alternative media" doesn't always mean the person is going to be intelligent/ a gem. Some of them are braindead and make me wonder how some people even get dressed by themselves. Best example would be that shit for brains "Nina" that Destiny debated in 2020.
Didnt trump do all what hunter did and more and for longer?
No.
YES!
@@JorgeLopez-qj8pu which person did Trump pardon after promising he wouldn't pardon them? Which person did Trump pardon for "everything since 2014"?
@@dfmrcv862 By your logic with your words, trump was president from 2021-2024
Your either a troll or and "eddy-it"
@@JorgeLopez-qj8pu Okay, I'll apply to Trump's term.
What crimes did Trump pardon in total from 2006 onward?
Something something first, something something womans name.
Something something views, fell off
Something Something AMAZIN
Something something unoriginal comment something something killing the comment section 😅
Something, Something, I wish Dan would stop pausing the stream, Something Something.
Destiny's TH-cam editor did Quibbles dirty in the thumbnail.
WE ONLY LOST BY 1.5% and that's why we need to double down on doing the same as always?
Well by destroying the people you do have you could salvage those 1.5% 👉👈
I really enjoyed hearing the piano as the guy was ranting
The Whick Panel, also known as Connor's personal soabox where occasionally, when Connor deigns it necessary, someone else is allowed to speak.
Steve is losing it, if you fight the dark side by being the dark side you legitemise all the dark sides arguments that previously were just misinfo
This guy quoted Winston Churchill’s defence of Democracy, directly after shitting on ‘the will of the people’ as an idea..
I've been wanting to see Destiny and SFO interact for a long time now
The guy in the middle looks like Connor and Bob Ross had a baby
“yeah, this person attempted to overthrow our democracy and faced no punishment, but this guy committed tax evasion and if we don’t punish him it’ll erode our institution of justice”
Whoever dude in the middle is looks like the furry kid from Jumanji. 😅
Wdym "furry" kid? *Did we watch same movie?* 💀
@@danielsurvivor1372 the kid that gets turned into a monkey?
That is so accurate lmao good comment
@@danielsurvivor1372he means the OG version
Glad to see SFO on here, I think he and Destiny would get along if they did more stuff together.
SFO is how I imagined most centrists would act after 2020 or 2022 Trump.
But sadly only SFO was real centrist 😢
SFO is chaotic neutral
which one is SFO
Hunter is a victim? Lmfao 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣. Destiny has finally become what he hates. 100%. Total wack j9b.
For the next 4 years whenever a democrat bests a republican on anything, their retort is going to be “you just pissed off you lost” 😔
This is what Democrats should’ve been doing every time a republican said “the election was stolen” dems should’ve said “haha your just a cry baby you lost get over it loser”
The issue is dems don’t play at a toddler level like the magas but you have too
Am mind blown some people don’t know what a pardon is… it literally absolves someone from any crimes, guilty or not.
All I can think about seeing the guy in the middle is a mix of Peter Dinklage and Jake Davison
just heard this guy slobbed a knob and the recording of it is making the rounds
yeah he’s gay
Connor’s analogy would be pretty good… if it also included that the democrats weren’t allowed to make 3-pointers, dunk, couldn’t make pivot steps and the republicans aren’t subject to double dribbling nor flagrant fouls
If hunter was any other citizen and illegally purchased a firearm you'd all be losing your mind
No not really. I couldn’t care less tbh. This happens all the time and no one cares.
@huntermushero9362 yes it does and most go to prison 👍🏾 glad we agree
@balakay5084 "most go to prison" my guy just in my friend and family group of about 60 people ik 15 people who have weapons they absolutely should not have legally. Owning guns even though you shouldn't for whatever reason is the norm here in america and folk are rarely charged for it, and when they are charged it's cause the weapon was used in a crime as well and they are just trying to add on time to the criminal.
@@balakay5084 "most go to prison"
Lmao, you're actually delusional.
@ProperlyGaming let me be more specific... lying on your purchase form at an actual licensed FFL dealer... you're saying you've actually done this? That's what hunter did
God I missed these panels
Destiny called it in the beginning, this convo was a waste of time.
Saw this live last night, insanity
Thank you for this! Somehow this was productive in my decision making.
I love Hutch so much, happy he's transitioned into Politics. Optic about to drop a politics team
pardon hilary, that would be halarious
I like how the mod is just sitting there with a smile on his face and just watching the world burn. I also feel like in their minds the more they curse the stronger they sound.
😅😅😅 the Republicans are pulling you guys down to their level.
god I miss the panel arc
Destiny needs a raise I could not talk to 4 walls for 2 and a half hours on a live stream.
Wasn't the live stream like 6 hours? Truly mind boggling.
Tunachip, Destiny, and Quibbles look like pokemon evolutions
"I'm going to sit and rant for 10 minutes and no is allowed to interrupt me" ........ "I'm going to continuously interrupt anyone who responds to me"
edit:
rules for thee, but not for me...... Status quo republican
Ok destinys starting positions here are absolutely horrific and I doubt he even believes what hes saying here. Hopefully it gets better
He won’t because he doesn’t understand extremism, trump grew in an environment of left wing accountability culture. What makes you think that will work when every single populist movement grew in accountability culture. Only a culture of competence can beat it and Biden didn’t have that, Harris especially didn’t.
@@TheWiggum123what accountability?
@@dfmrcv862 exactly why wasn’t there any? Now go and watch his first primary, his first presidential debates, the media while he was in office, hell even look at his recent Harris debate. Didn’t seem to work did it? So why argue for it when it didn’t work the first 4 years.
@TheWiggum123 you just admitted there was no accountability, so how can you say it didn't work?
@@dfmrcv862 then how did he get his criminal convictions, how is there still an ongoing trial regarding Jan 6th? I’m saying if there was accountability he wouldn’t be president. Yet in spite of all this he is. Which tells you the strategy is dumb. It doesn’t work for populists and the left would know that if they hadn’t had several years of populism as well.
this thumbnail is legendary
19:31 "I'm a republican, I like people with above intelligence making choices about this country!"
Oxymoron of the year 2024 nominee.
Peter Dinklage in the center?
No that's Ted Dinkzynski
A Lannister always pay his debts
Looks more like Willem Dafoe from the Lighthouse
He's been known to dinkle a peter
Push back more against the narrative that a Yale graduate, Vice President of MBNA at 28, venture capitalist and hedge fund manager should not be working in international business. It's ridiculous.
What a waste of time this was. Destiny was the only one close to the truth
Cope. He was nowhere near the truth. All he did was blame Trump for everything 🤣
I'm 17 minutes in and all Destiny has done is scream that breaking norms is good now... he is *nowhere* close to any truth.
What norms has Biden broken? Trump already set the precedence...
@@dfmrcv862 The norms are already broken, clearly you still have failed to grasp his point, which is that norms don't work if only one side follows them, it's not that playing by the same rules that your enemy does is "good" it is NESECARRY if you don't want to lose.
@okaydetar821 that's retraced and you know it.
Which party got rid of the filibuster? Which party had bail funds for people literally trying to overthrow the federal government?
To pretend breaking norms is practical because "well only one side is following the norms" is such massive cope when that party has been the one breaking them for decades!
love the classic destiny debate
Why is destiny arguing with the Geico caveman?
thats really nice that they allowed the homeless guy in the middle to speak
My issue with trying to say that Republicans rebuked the events of January 6, or that immediately after they realized voters don’t give a fuck they changed their positions on it, they had acted as if those norms they were worried about still existed, but they don’t and when they realize that they changed their minds about caring
"So easy, a caveman could do it."
🤔Sometimes I listen to a Destiny debate and have absolutely no idea what anyone is talking about, and must use the feels force to determine whether or not Destiny's right. This is one of those debates.
Basically, Trump is objectively worse than Biden on an issue that folks on both sides disproportionately dunk on Biden for. It's valid whataboutism for the Dems, especially after every Republican has whataboutism'd when confronted about Jan6 since two weeks after Jan6 to right this moment.
Legal eagle made a video on Hunter Biden's case in a concise manner.
But you can read the cases yourself if you got time
So far, I do believe that this was just a political move made by the Republicans, but I need to look more into it
This is why I stayed up until 2am last night.... It was THE BEST content.
how is this even an argument, the supreme court ruled that all official acts by the president are above the law. pardoning someone is an official act so why are people being mad? isn't this what the supreme court wanted?
Let’s “get back to norms” by allowing your son to be the ongoing target of a totally partisan and politically driven assault by an FBI and DOJ run by totally unqualified, loyalist cabinet picks.
There is no tit for tat game theory at play here. For the guy in the middle in a kids room, you are part of the problem, not the solution. When my dog does something stupid that he enjoys, and I continuously allow that to happen, I’m enabling the problem. Grow a backbone.
Enlightening the republicans through reciting norms is not the answer. Going high when they go low is inherently divisive. Idk what the answer is, but at least I own that. Half of you are here saying “Destiny lost the plot”. You have no idea what the problem or solution is, but are typing partisan hack responses because it makes you feel good about yourself, while bringing ZERO value or substance to the conversation.
Dems need an adult in the room, and unfortunately, adults need to answer fire with fire sometimes. Parents are nice 99% of the time, but if you go after their kids, they aren’t going to play nice. This is common sense.
The best thing to come out of this debate is Quibbles leaning super far forward and getting red while angry that he looks like a gnome with a massive forehead
Ahh bloodsports debate, the last bastion of honest political discourse.
I will say, it was surprisingly cathartic to hear Conor admit being a Democrat is hard as fuck. Hes one of the few conservatives i respect these days.
A true Republican.
damn editor, you missed like another 3 hours of this convo.
you need to include the 5 hour convo after this with artemis, its completely unhinged and hilarious
destiny's earlier analogy about having a last drink on your deathbed doesnt make sense, because having a final drink doesnt affect the integrity of others.
TRUUEEEE!
Biden isn't the guy on the deathbed. The whole country is the guy on the deathbed.
8 hours of CONTENT. You're welcome :)