How to Drive a Rear Wheel Drive Car - What You Need to Know

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  • Driving a rear wheel drive car safely, quickly and in the smoothest way possible is an art form that some say is the most satisfying you can have whilst driving. I absolutely adore FWD hot hatches, but there is something special about a classic rear wheel drive sports car.
    You can have so much fun with oversteer that FWD hot hatches with their crazy understeer just can't quite match.
    Driving a RWD car is all about being progressive, smooth and thoughtful about when you open up the throttle. Get it right and it is such a rewarding experience, get it wrong and you can be facing the wrong way at some very inopportune moments.
    You shouldn't be scared of RWD cars however, as they truly are a fantastic experience to those wishing to learn how to use them properly!
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  • @stellas7437
    @stellas7437 3 ปีที่แล้ว +230

    I only watched this after I spun out in my RWD, should have looked this up before, haha.

    • @sbrook1113
      @sbrook1113 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      That's why I'm here too because I spun out on my Jeep 🥴 lol

    • @dylanfitzpatrick1214
      @dylanfitzpatrick1214 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Lol, same, just spun out in my e30

    • @alejandroc4083
      @alejandroc4083 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      lol same, got loose in my g35

    • @cmooisthename
      @cmooisthename 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I started to slide around a turn and over corrected like 3 times and then went off the road

    • @blackflgst
      @blackflgst 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Put my commodore VF in a ditch. Now I’m here

  • @jeremytd7072
    @jeremytd7072 5 ปีที่แล้ว +145

    I’ve been driving manual FWD cars for years and though I’m worried, I am strongly considering a manual RWD car. This video is helping me decide to go for it.

    • @fahimali2707
      @fahimali2707 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      JeremyTD Go for it . I own a Fusion tdci ,2005 plate , second whip gotta be a salon / sedan , Lexus 1997 plate .

    • @hella_randoms7289
      @hella_randoms7289 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Lol, my dad really decided that it would be a great idea to have my first car be a manual RWD 💀 Did you ever end up getting anything tho?

    • @uptown3636
      @uptown3636 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@hella_randoms7289 I think he opted for a RWD car, went sideways once, and was never heard from again. Tragic outcome.

    • @hella_randoms7289
      @hella_randoms7289 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@uptown3636 How very devastating 😔 Tragic one must say 😭

    • @bubbap609
      @bubbap609 ปีที่แล้ว

      RIP Jeremy😞🕊

  • @MrScootmcg
    @MrScootmcg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    If in doubt slow in fast out, rinse and repeat.

    • @Mister.05
      @Mister.05 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      initial D?

    • @alexbui91
      @alexbui91 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What does tbat mean

    • @squaaam2263
      @squaaam2263 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@alexbui91 when you see a turn ahead start to brake, downshift, build up your steering pressure once your rear wheels are past the apex, build off the steering pressure, while building the throttle pressure as you enter the next straight

  • @connornixon2971
    @connornixon2971 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Thanks for this video! Moving to my first RWD car. Been put off by a few people but this video has helped and is super detailed 😁

  • @BringIt96
    @BringIt96 6 ปีที่แล้ว +174

    Just gotta drive smoothly👍 unless you want to slide, that's the best part of having a RWD car 😁 Great video, glad to see you back!

    • @videomaniac108
      @videomaniac108 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      That's the really satisfying aspect for me of driving my RWD manual transmission car, getting the braking, gear selection and rev matching done with a properly chosen line through a corner at speed.

    • @KingDiamondBones
      @KingDiamondBones ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nah it’s not fun it’s scary sometimes when u don’t know how to drift

    • @jaydenperez7326
      @jaydenperez7326 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@KingDiamondBonesexactly bro practice with powersliding on empty streets with traction on you learn real quick

  • @videomaniac108
    @videomaniac108 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Nice video, thanks. I have a 370Z sport coupe 6MT with the Synchro Rev Match feature. After playing with it initially, I went back to my heel and toe routine for braking and rev matching. I do the heel and toe without even thinking about it and I'm usually able to do it pretty smoothly, something that's very satisfying.

    • @Paynos
      @Paynos  4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Great car lad. Definitely something that gets easier over time and eventually becomes fully natural. Feels weird not doing it to me these days

  • @CosmoIsHim
    @CosmoIsHim 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I love your explanations!! Thanks for putting in extra effort to get people like me to understand cars more !!! (I’m not very educated on cars lol)

  • @vally6853
    @vally6853 3 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    Just be smooth, even when i started sliding on accident i was smooth and relaxed> you freak out then your car freaks out

    • @josiahvalle
      @josiahvalle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      wait don't u mean you car freaks out when you freak out

    • @rahulray5411
      @rahulray5411 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@josiahvalle he said then not when

    • @josiahvalle
      @josiahvalle 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rahulray5411 ah ok

    • @callumhall2432
      @callumhall2432 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That last sentence is how i went into a ditch

    • @jaydonweston1734
      @jaydonweston1734 ปีที่แล้ว

      Taken me a year and a half to be comfortable wen the back end accidentally kicks out a lil bit 🤣

  • @thomasburns3345
    @thomasburns3345 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I progressed from hot FWD cars (GTi 2x, Acura CL Type S) to hot AWD cars (Audi S4) and now continue my drivers journey with hot a RWD car (340i MPPSK) so I appreciate learning some of the dynamics. I’ve left traction on initially while I learned the car (and once or twice it pulled me back from a hairy choice) but now that I’ve got a little more time with it (7k miles) I’m graduating to sometimes going Sport + (dulled traction control) and seeing what the car does, when and why. I do love it and I have to say aside from the crazy AWD launches this is the superior platform in all respects. It’s just so fun and feels so much more related to my inputs as a driver. FWD you just go to to the limit and understeer sets in, beat you can do is slow down (not what a driver wants to do when having fun) or if it’s a well balanced car you can induce a second of oversteer with throttle off, but it’s more to correct over cooking entry speed. AWD is fun, but even with true Quattro and the sports differential sending more to read the car never felt like I could rely on it to bring the back around in a corner. More so those elements at best were helping compensate for a nose that was trying very hard to how wide (understeer) and so to be fast it was usually brake in, accelerate out using the grip to get on it earlier. RWD on the third hand is like a dance. My 340i has a staggered setup so it’s actually more inclined to understeer initially. But with RWD once you find that edge you can gently use the throttle to dial the understeer back to neutral. And once you know where that is going to happen to you get there a fraction of a second early and actually hit the line perfectly. I’m not quite that good yet but I see the possibility. It also lets you get a smile here and there from tighter corners or over 90* because you can give it a small stab and tuck things around quickly. Not fast probably, but damn fun.
    Thanks for the video, I have some more things to chew on when pushing.

  • @vksvikas
    @vksvikas 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Love RWD cars. All my cars have been RWD, 2006 mazda mx5 auto, 2009 mazda mx5 auto, 2003 mazda rx8 manual, 2015 Subaru BRZ manual. So much fun to drive on a rainy day :-D

  • @jackweston4183
    @jackweston4183 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Good vid mate as always

  • @Brad_Pittstop
    @Brad_Pittstop ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I went from a Panamera Turbo to an F type S (400 special edition). So from AWD to RWD and I almost planted my car against a tree today. I have had many cars with lost of horsepower, but all were AWD. I can honestly say I am scared of my car, and love it at the same time.

  • @ibrahimkhaleel996
    @ibrahimkhaleel996 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Learnt so much from this. Extremely educational. Thank you.

  • @AB-ut3ce
    @AB-ut3ce ปีที่แล้ว

    pretty useful tips on rev matching, thanks!

  • @collinjohnson7006
    @collinjohnson7006 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    What you were talking about being rough with the clutch and causing the wheels to slow down is also a technique is drifting. Locking the wheels will do the trick, but if you stay in, say third gear, and mid corner you push down the throttle and dip the clutch real quick then let it out fast but smoothly, the engine will speed up and cause the rear wheels to start spinning and will create oversteer. The name is called clutch kicking!

    • @victorpelini5995
      @victorpelini5995 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Clutch kick is well known yeah
      To drift low power RWD
      He was giving the basics tho

  • @vallannt1817
    @vallannt1817 6 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Nice vid, also really classy t-shirt you got there. Keep it up.

    • @Paynos
      @Paynos  6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hahaha, thank you dude

    • @ikebuttle360
      @ikebuttle360 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Paynos not so classy in the pocket

  • @bwabbel
    @bwabbel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'm getting my first car soon, a mx-5 nb. I was on a test drive yesterday and I noticed the rough shifting, but I thought it was just because I'm not used to driving a sports car. Now I know that this is only one of the reasons. At one point when I was rolling over a slippery area on the street I felt the rear wheels sliding a bit, but it never happened while driving through a corner (and the car had summer tires). So yeah, it's not that scary actually. Just gotta get used to the car

  • @snowball7990
    @snowball7990 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks buddy, real informative

  • @kingzubrowka1579
    @kingzubrowka1579 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Great Video. Very helpful. Being driving a front wheel drive car, really want a rear wheel drive car now. But I want to drive it fast, but safe. I don't want my pride and joy in a hedge.

    • @user-bs1wx1tb7e
      @user-bs1wx1tb7e 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Get an automatic bmw if you can afford it, one with the ZF transmission which is AWESOME. If you don't have the family, get a BMW 2 Coupe, you can go fast with it without fear since it doesn't depend on your manual shift skills and let's you focus on the corners.

    • @ryanlen2115
      @ryanlen2115 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@user-bs1wx1tb7e with or without x drive?

  • @cheshire_skatkat9093
    @cheshire_skatkat9093 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Ok I bought a RWD Dodge Challenger. Drove it for the first time in rain. Scariest experience of my life! Now I know it was likely because I have low profile tires but man alive! I couldn't go faster than 45. It felt so slippery and Shakey.

    • @zavi247
      @zavi247 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      I mean it is a boat

    • @DopestQ50
      @DopestQ50 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@zavi247 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👌🏽

    • @matteoprada5851
      @matteoprada5851 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@zavi247 imagine buying a challenger and pretend that it can turn

    • @ak.foesev
      @ak.foesev 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zavi247 😂😂Fr he should’ve been boolin in the rain

    • @Luke-hl5wh
      @Luke-hl5wh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      just drove my rwd mustang for the first time in the rain. definitely scared the shit out of my friend

  • @ItsMaestro13
    @ItsMaestro13 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This guy gives great reviews

  • @vicvasan1015
    @vicvasan1015 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video.

  • @damirmih984
    @damirmih984 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video!

  • @ExoticsLair
    @ExoticsLair 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Good info! Nice car too !

  • @jt780
    @jt780 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video 👍🏼

  • @romacarrasco5835
    @romacarrasco5835 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Cool shirt+ Cool Abarth Spyder= smooth video!

    • @Paynos
      @Paynos  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      good taste!

  • @bradyobrien9
    @bradyobrien9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've owned lots of FWD VW's and AWD Audi's. The only RWD car I've owned was an E46 325ci. Just got a 472hp Lexus IS500 and found this video looking for some lessons. Thanks for the video!

    • @Paynos
      @Paynos  ปีที่แล้ว

      What a superb choice of car, love a V8 Lexus. Have fun with it and stay safe!

  • @TheShinyShow
    @TheShinyShow 6 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    That wee sideroad is becoming famous at this point. You going to get some lights and a DXracer chair set up and do us a layby tour?

    • @Paynos
      @Paynos  6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      GuitarWean hahaha. Sounds good, just needs a Gfuel sponsor and we're good to go

  • @atlasblue1978
    @atlasblue1978 5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I am driving since over one year. Used to drive a FWD 125hp car as my daily, now thinking of buying a RWD BMW. I think you are right with understeering a FWD, once experienced that and its scary since you can pretty much only wait until you come to a stop.

    • @Tibialstone7
      @Tibialstone7 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I am in exactly the same boat as you! 5 years later, what did you end up doing? Did you go for the RWD BMW? Thank you! :)

    • @atlasblue1978
      @atlasblue1978 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Tibialstone7 bought an E92 shortly after. Owned more than 10 RWD BMWs since 2019, no incidents but a whole lot of driving pleasure and fun. Go for the RWD car :) sometimes it is a pain in the ass, especially in winter but apart from that it has been the best decision ever! Just don’t put crappy tires on the rear, you never know when you’ll need them.

    • @Tibialstone7
      @Tibialstone7 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@atlasblue1978 This is so helpful, thank you very much mate! I am gonna take your advice :)

  • @cssmja
    @cssmja 5 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    This was helpful as I’ve driven manual front wheel drives for over 15 years. But...Just bought my first rear wheel drive Mustang and can’t for the life of me figure out ‘wtf’ lol.
    I’ve driven pickups, but that for landscape projects at home, fishing, etc...But as a daily? I’ve been completely lost and why I’ve been unable to control my new ride like I’ve been able to do the last 15 years.
    I KNEW something was up, and so you’re video should help.

    • @cheshire_skatkat9093
      @cheshire_skatkat9093 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Same. I got a Dodge Challenger with low profile tires. P225/55R22. It's slippery and Shakey and told it's because it's light in the ass end and the low profile tires don't help. So I guess the slip factor is just getting used to it.

    • @jajajajenny6428
      @jajajajenny6428 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      JP 2099 : put some weights in the back . start with 100 lbs and see if that helps . if not add 50 more. i did that in my cadillac and it helped a bunch

    • @byron5306
      @byron5306 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      are i serious

    • @Broccoli_Highkicks
      @Broccoli_Highkicks 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@jajajajenny6428 If you need to add 100-150 lbs to the back to make your car basically safe for you to drive, maybe just buy a fwd in the first place, no? Why burn the extra fuel just to make your car driveable? If you can't control it, then you definitely aren't going to enjoy driving it, so what benefit the rwd system?

  • @padraiggalvin2807
    @padraiggalvin2807 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Some good tips. I bet that hard down shift without rev matching would be particularly bad if one has a nismo 2way lsd.

  • @TheDoctorBoy
    @TheDoctorBoy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I hear a good exhaust note, I hit like.

  • @gunnerguy31
    @gunnerguy31 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your videos was such a help... 1 more subscriber

  • @jonathoncolby9887
    @jonathoncolby9887 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Informative- thanks

  • @mikenewbold1699
    @mikenewbold1699 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    you finally got a decent car well done

  • @LCY77
    @LCY77 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    So would you consider a newer RWD with AT and TC, as safe as a FWD for people who don't know driving dynamics ? At least in my area they crash everyday when it rains in their RWD (F150 specially), FWD they just do MUCH better.

  • @feefeee
    @feefeee 6 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    Why do spyders never have a body colour roof? It always looks like someone DIY'd a roof with some spare cloth.

    • @benlee2765
      @benlee2765 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      felixthemaster1 also the carbon fiber boot makes the car look like its been in a crash.

    • @frido15
      @frido15 6 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Because coloured cloth softtops look tacky as hell. Keep it black

    • @dougg4633
      @dougg4633 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's Anti-Glare Black
      Also , racing stripe throw back tribute to its racing heritage

  • @Li-W
    @Li-W 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mk2 mx5 as my second car from an economy fwd, thanks for the vid

  • @randomstatement820
    @randomstatement820 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just got my Camaro thanks for this

  • @samueltaylor2757
    @samueltaylor2757 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    More solid content! My only niggle is the audio where you capture a lot of wind noise and there was a fair amount of clipping and crackling when you started recording in the car

  • @rolfthewolf42
    @rolfthewolf42 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I did a bad downshift in the middle of a speedy corner in my new Miata the other day. Spun a bit one way then the other. Luckily was able to get control back pretty quick and didn't hurt anything. Still haven't quite got all the shifting down yet but I know not to make that mistake again.

    • @georgeferrison1
      @georgeferrison1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      don’t shift in corners bro

    • @jamesswift217
      @jamesswift217 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      and rev match before the corner so you don't unsettle the rear end

    • @rolfthewolf42
      @rolfthewolf42 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      James Swift That was my mistake. I've got rev matching down pretty well now after 3 weeks of driving the car. Next thing to learn is heel and toe downshifts.

    • @jamesswift217
      @jamesswift217 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      badWolfe42 I still haven't become fully confident at heel-and-toe in my Mx5 even tho I've had it for 6 months, I had a very similar experience to you when I first got it though where I got some snap oversteer and actually managed to spin 180° because I lifted off too much - learnt my lesson from that

    • @stanmalash3007
      @stanmalash3007 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well I was more unlucky and did a 360 and hit a pole in my na and now will need to replace my fender

  • @stanmalash3007
    @stanmalash3007 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I lost control of my mx5 na in the rain on the motorway on ramp and hit a pole. Now have to replace my fender.

  • @aubreygaraghan7479
    @aubreygaraghan7479 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    cool vid. bout to hop from awd wrx to a miata, my first rwd car. hope i dont crash it!!! :)

    • @hahahahahLOL3
      @hahahahahLOL3 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      S N A P O V E R S T E E R

  • @tylershale3171
    @tylershale3171 6 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Please do more videos, everyone loves them

    • @Paynos
      @Paynos  6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you man. Just getting it to the point where I can do it pretty much full time slowly. It's getting there! 😉❤

  • @AuraDesire
    @AuraDesire 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Enjoying the videos m9 ;) keep up the good work!

  • @lLukeSkyscraper
    @lLukeSkyscraper 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A quick tips for those out there and for me too: make pushups and bars and the steer will feel 100% more responsive. Thank me later 😉

  • @theleastofpilgrims3379
    @theleastofpilgrims3379 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ve been driving rear wheel drive cars for most of my time driving, since the first car I ever owned, and continue to own, is a 2007 Dodge Charger, although I learned to drive on front wheel drive cars, and there are some slight differences; I personally prefer the rear wheel drive feeling except when it comes to powering through curves, where front wheel drive cars naturally have an advantage.

  • @ronniecudia5514
    @ronniecudia5514 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Been a long time since I drove the rear wheel. Still my first experiences are rest drive and manual stick in The Philippines. Yes, wet weather is a challenge. Driving this one is like a bull holding it by the horn as steer. Be mindful that you are driving a rear drive.

  • @DrPacman
    @DrPacman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've just gone from a 1.4 na seat ibiza to a nissan 350z. If you drive sensibly it's so easy and fun to drive an rwd

    • @keenan532
      @keenan532 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nice choice bro love the 350/370z’s 👌

  • @zethane2933
    @zethane2933 ปีที่แล้ว

    Switching soon from a 2017 stock Ford focus se to a 06 Lexus gs430 with bc coilovers, with swift springs 16k front 10k back on 20 inch gtr tires. Has rear Megan toe and control bars along with sway bars. Any tips or notes or just helpful information would be appreciated.

  • @riccccccardo
    @riccccccardo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve just come from a awd Audi A4 to a Lexus GS rwd cvt 450h new experience for me.

  • @jordycruz6661
    @jordycruz6661 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wouldn’t awd be better for putting down power on bumpy roads?

  • @salazara559
    @salazara559 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Watching this since im thinking of getting a is350. Don’t know if I should go with awd or rwd

  • @meballix1161
    @meballix1161 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Dwiving style

  • @d4rkphnx191
    @d4rkphnx191 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Im looking to get the abarth 124 and so happy i found this video it was exactlt what i was looking for😭

    • @Paynos
      @Paynos  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You'll love it! Seriously cool little car

  • @Challenger160
    @Challenger160 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Occasionally I would try to practice heel and toe downshifting but I either press the brake harder or softer as I try twist my foot. I can't get the braking consistent and smooth. Any tips?

    • @4our6ixkwvmz
      @4our6ixkwvmz 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Challenger160 just practice bro. Only way you get better at it

    • @kipzonderkop1994
      @kipzonderkop1994 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The way I get around it sometimes is that I slow down with the brake and during that I put the car in neutral, once I get slow enough and am near the turn, I put the clutch in, shift to the desired gear, rev match, let off the clutch in a controlled but concise manner and off I go.
      Only thing is you need to be very quick on the pedals to be able to do it all safely, I don’t have very good stability to keep my braking smooth and apply throttle at the same time, but I can move my feet very quickly to the point where it’s just as good

    • @Challenger160
      @Challenger160 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      kipzonderkop1994 I usually do that but I wanted to just take my driving to the next level! An update though, been able to heel and toe one time and it felt muad!!! Fked up after that though but progress still!

    • @kipzonderkop1994
      @kipzonderkop1994 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Challenger160 as long as there’s progress 🙌🏼,

    • @4our6ixkwvmz
      @4our6ixkwvmz 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Challenger160 Awesome stuff man. Just keep progressing

  • @jakelamotta2387
    @jakelamotta2387 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    He knows his shit guys!

  • @PhillHalloran
    @PhillHalloran ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Good reminder about shifting smoothly, one mistake can cause you to lose traction unexpectedly.

    • @Paynos
      @Paynos  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cars like Mustangs/M class BMWs (looking at you M3) seem particularly excitable on the 1st to 2nd gear changes haha

  • @peterdavies8568
    @peterdavies8568 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool - helps with my Z4 M40i - which always seems to be overtaking me...

  • @mickstick2830
    @mickstick2830 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When you get used to RWD you do not want anything else anymore. Driving pleasure is unmatched. I have a 350hp RWD car and i turn TC and stability systems always OFF. Just know not to floor things mid corner if you do not know how to drive like a maniac :P

  • @Onkarr
    @Onkarr 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    what if its a midship rear wheel with the engine in the back?

  • @MacKaris
    @MacKaris 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I got recently bitten slightly by my 370z, I had the traction control off (as you do when start feeling a bit cocky) and gave it some throttle on a wet tarmac, the rear broke loose and I went straight into a curb. I got me thinking because I'm not absolutely certain why it took off so violently, even though I thought I KNEW the basics of how RWD cars behave. And I can see the same happening to a lot of people in all the 'car show-off fail' videos online: even on a straight, 3 or 4 lanes wide road people manage to slam their mustangs and whatnot into a wall or a curb when they attempt to get some simple wheelspin going. I wonder what the common denominator is in all those cases? Too much throttle? Too little throttle? Too much or too little counter steer? Some people say it's because they lift off the throttle, but then again do you really want to stay on the throttle when you're already headed for the ditch? I guess I have to pay a visit to a local wet surface practice track to get more acquainted with the car.

    • @bjornironsides6474
      @bjornironsides6474 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      me too. Just put my 350z over a curb. A big curb. I put too much throttle into a turn and over corrected whipping twice each way before going backward into the curb. Such a bad feeling and now it is at the body shop. Hard lesson learned, but hopefully it's back in shape in a few weeks and I can take it easy... go learn more at a proper training course. I've never wrecked a car until now so definitely an eye opener. Much shame.

    • @MacKaris
      @MacKaris 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bjornironsides6474 Yeah I feel you bro. I was fortunate that I only totalled the rims and tyres, and I had an insurance so I only had to pay the excess. The total damage would have been around 5000 euros, since the stock rims are ludicrously expensive. Even with cheaper after market rims and a new set of tyres it still would have been something like 2500 euros.
      I did visit a slippery surface training track afterwards, and I drove it throughout the winter too in extremely slippery conditions, but still I've never fully figured out what happened that day. Part of the reason probably is that the 275 tyres at the back normally offer extreme grip, so in order to break traction you have to be already pushing the envelope quite hard. And when you get the traction back, it's a violent jolt that can throw the car in some unexpected direction if you don't know exactly what you're doing. So slimmer tyres would probably be a lot more forgiving if the intention is to do some drifting stuff. Additionally, it was a very narrow bit of the road where I cocked up, so I suspect my rear end actually first hit the curb on the other side of the road and ricocheted off to the other side, which made correcting it impossible since I wasn't expecting it.

    • @bjornironsides6474
      @bjornironsides6474 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MacKaris Yeah, I'm just hoping all is structurally sound. It seems it was, it did drive off the curb but my steering linkages are trashed and rim is cracked. It look like everything was fixable/replaceable. The engine and gearbox still felt normal driving it off. No leaks, no overheating, and still shifted smooth. Hoping for the best and lesson learned. I've had it kick out before and straightened it right out, but this time felt like I could do nothing about it. Makes me wonder any other time I was driving harder what could have happened. It always felt so planted and agile so I've got to remember not to be fooled..traction can still get you.

    • @bjornironsides6474
      @bjornironsides6474 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MacKaris Well, sad news, the insurance company totaled it since it's older and the parts are still costly. I almost took the salvage route to take what I could and pay the rest out of pocket, but body shops here just couldn't give me the time of day to schedule it in for a frame assessment. I never got a full body shop quote, but they suspected my rockers rolled as my door wasn't shutting all the way. I waited 5 days to see if they could give me a certain answer on the frame as I would have paid to fix it if the frame was good. With all the hoops to jump through a rebuild title... I just took the total loss settlement :( To think that it may have been fixable breaks my heart, but the logical choice was to take the money. Live and learn. At least I'm back exactly to what I had in the bank before I bought the car. I'm a lot more aware of what can happen than I was before so my mindset will be right next time. Also going to take a course where I can get use to the limits of the car.

    • @MacKaris
      @MacKaris 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bjornironsides6474 oh man, what a bummer :( well at least you didn't get financially ruined, so you can get another Z and try again 😁

  • @luckyfarru
    @luckyfarru ปีที่แล้ว +1

    good and to the point… you should make one on porsche behavior and also on
    front engine rwd vs rear engine rwd

    • @Paynos
      @Paynos  ปีที่แล้ว

      Great idea, absolutely love the way Porsches drive. Weird if you don't know how they work, amazing if you do

  • @JoaoSantos-cx7st
    @JoaoSantos-cx7st 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I drive a FWD and I'm thinking on buying a RWD. 3 Times my car suffered from understeer, it was a bit scary the first time but it can be easily fixed. I never drived a RWD But I do prefer and I'm not sure about oversteer. I heard it is more hard to control but does it happen a lot of times? What I am saying is imagine im going on a high way and out of nowhere it occurs

    • @imnota
      @imnota 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Oversteer is much easier to control than understeer imo.
      If you oversteer just let off, and countersteer, as easy as that.
      Understeer is very scary to me, because it's usually caused by too much speed, which is usually too late to fix.
      A rwd car does oversteer more often than a fwd car does understeer, but however, it doesn't just happens out of nowhere on the highway.
      As long as you keep an appropriate speed and smooth inputs (steering, clutch, accelerator, and brakes), you'll be fine.
      And if you were able to fix the understeer, I think you're skilled enough, and have good enough reflexes to drive a rwd car. Also, the good thing about rwd cars is that you can try oversteer in a parking lot or somewhere else safely so you know what to expect. With fwd, you just wait until it happens to see if you die or not lmao

  • @dootdoot1867
    @dootdoot1867 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    2006 Honda civic ex coupe to a 2006 mustang gt.... yes. I had to change my driving habits.

  • @cke9931
    @cke9931 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I didnt get it,Schould you snap off the throttle when the car accidentally starts to slide or no?

    • @christopherbrooke2142
      @christopherbrooke2142 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      CKE I wouldn’t, the snap oversteer with the opposite lock can put you in the same or even worse situation

  • @markrhoden68
    @markrhoden68 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I've just brought a brand new BMW m140i I think I need a lesson or two on how to drive the thing, not sure how far to go with the thing.
    It's a great engine and gear box but not sure about..... in my case its driver.

    • @nlocnil3602
      @nlocnil3602 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hahaha the 140i is the most exciting hot hatch but my god it's scary with how tail happy it is. Glad I got a 340i instead, turns out to be a lot more stable and easier to drive because you can push it to the limits and throw it in and out of corners with a lot more confidence.

  • @christosynwa3559
    @christosynwa3559 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So,i want a rwd car but i dont have a rwd experience,so the thing i have to do is go easy on the gas pedal the clutch and when i want to drive fast and go into corners revmatch or else my car will understeer?

    • @collinjohnson7006
      @collinjohnson7006 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Allow me to elaborate on what he said. In a RWD vehicle if you are not smooth with the clutch when you are shifting mid corner at high speeds, your car is likely to jolt slightly. This jolting is caused by the engine either slowing down or speeding up the rear tires suddenly and causing them to lock or break traction from spinning which will cause oversteer.
      Tl:Dr Being rough with your clutch when shifting while cornering is likely to break traction in the rear wheels and cause oversteer.

    • @collinjohnson7006
      @collinjohnson7006 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      When he mentioned understeer he is talking about weight transfer that may happen if you panic if your car starts to understeer. When you press down the throttle the weight goes to the back of the car and you can basically imagine how that feels like when your head is pressed against the head rest. If you're going through a corner and a lot of power is being sent to the rear wheels and the car starts to oversteer, you may panic and completely let go of the throttle. When you suddenly let go of the throttle the cars weight goes toward the front similar to how it feels when you suddenly slam in the brakes, so now that you have tried to correct for that oversteer all of that weight is on the front tires and you will suddenly go in that direction because those tires have found new traction from all that weight on them.

    • @christosynwa3559
      @christosynwa3559 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@collinjohnson7006 thank you for your time and writing!you made th8ngs a lot clealer.im thinking about miata nc for my first rwd.but i dont know time will show.

    • @collinjohnson7006
      @collinjohnson7006 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@christosynwa3559 I'm glad to help! I wouldn't worry too much about oversteer in a Miata as much as I would a mustang or Camaro etc. You can still have fun in a Miata if you know what you're doing. Most importantly be safe!

    • @christosynwa3559
      @christosynwa3559 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@collinjohnson7006 thats what im scared off,im a bit crazy with the car and i think if i start learn8ng oversteer i will kill my self,thats why i want a "slow" rwd car,dangerous still

  • @ao8271
    @ao8271 ปีที่แล้ว

    Almost spun out my 300zx so im here now🎉

    • @Paynos
      @Paynos  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well done for saving it! Lovely cars

  • @julietzena2041
    @julietzena2041 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He’s not dead. Woah. 😂 still can’t believe they let you use that car.. you yobo. Great video, quite interesting. Keep em coming. “My name has been alex...” it won’t be alex next time.

  • @reddenschott4395
    @reddenschott4395 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Im watching this because i wanna buy a manual z06 or mustang and im so use to my fast fwd cars where i can floor it around a turn and not fishtail into a pole when i takeoff

  • @Czlvinn
    @Czlvinn 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes laddd

  • @kayy_laaa
    @kayy_laaa 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    came here out of curiosity after watching a video of a teenager crashing his new car twice in less than a minute at the snow

  • @bobidderis3880
    @bobidderis3880 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So if I turned on traction control or DSC, would it be safe around wet corners? I'm gonna buy a rwd car. And my whole life I've been driving a fwd car.

    • @RuthlessShadowGamer
      @RuthlessShadowGamer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      traction control ON is defs safe. If the system is good, itll keep you going where you want to go (source: experience)

  • @daniellucatero-jimenez.1440
    @daniellucatero-jimenez.1440 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just lost control of my corvette and am lucky to have not have hit anybody but fuck was it scary. Whatever direction the car is turning towards is it safe to turn it immediately in the other direction, smash the gas pedal and turn the wheel back into straight?

  • @_vindicator_
    @_vindicator_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    well this is mostly true with TCS off, but if that's on, there's barely any difference. maybe it skids more on icy or slippery surfaces - that's about it.

  • @collinjohnson7006
    @collinjohnson7006 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    FWD and RWD are both good platforms, but front wheel drive cars can only do so much. If you think about it the front tires only have a limited and set amount of traction, as the speed of the vehicle increases and as one corners that set amount of traction steadily declines. If you're going around a corner and you know the car is on the edge of traction you know it is foolish to increase the amount of power to the wheels or request more steering angle. If you're going around a corner there is a limit to the amount of power you can send to the wheels as well as the amount of angle you can send to the wheels before understeer rears its ugly head. The combined function of steering angle and power delivery make FWD more prone to understeer. That doesn't mean that you can go infinitely fast through a corner just because the front wheels have only one task, what it means is that it is impossible for the front tires to break traction from a throttle request because that power is being sent to the rear rather than the front. If you soak some pavement in water and do a burnout with a FWD car, it is impossible to steer so power neither directional input can be expressed regardless of the true speed of the car. The car is technically going 0 miles an hour, however this can happen while in motion. RWD is superior in this aspect because the front tires will never break traction from a throttle request, but they may break traction from steering angle requests at particular speeds. Basically, going slowly around a tight corner on a rainy day in a FWD and punch the gas mid corner and you're likely to go off the road and possibly into the driver's side of the car in the other lane, you weren't going fast at all but because the steering tires are acting like they are ( basically accelerating) you combine an extreme steering angle with a lot of torque. Do the same thing in a RWD car and you'll oversteer and if you don't correct it you could end up in the other lane just the same. Any interaction regarding moving the car increases the likelihood of understeer in a FWD car and the more violent those interactions the more that likelihood increases. In a RWD car the front tires are only meant to point the car in a new direction and roll, the total amount of traction you have available for the front tires is higher because they are being spun by the ground instead of a powerful engine. There is also the other argument about tire wear on fwd cars as well.

    • @monky8605
      @monky8605 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      very helpful, what argument tho?

  • @davidashlin2584
    @davidashlin2584 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks

  • @ryugun2.059
    @ryugun2.059 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm planning on buying a BMW 3 series gran limousine and I'm super scared coz it's not only RWD but also has 50:50 weight distribution. Should I be worried about driving in the rain on highways?!

    • @Paynos
      @Paynos  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nah don't let it scare you, just means you should be a lot more critical about tyre choice (make sure they're a high wet rating) and don't let them get near bald tread. Take it easy when the rain gets heavy and back the speed down for a bit until you get a feel for how the car reacts to puddles even at slower speeds.
      Get some skid pan lessons if possible too, will give you endlessly more confidence in the car.
      GL! :)

    • @ryugun2.059
      @ryugun2.059 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Paynos Sure, I will. Thank you 😄

  • @louiscollazo4134
    @louiscollazo4134 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I bought a BMW 135i 1 series pretty tuned almost 450+ hp I was still learning the car got to cocky and lost control and totaled it watching this for next time

    • @keenan532
      @keenan532 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈

  • @emissarygw2264
    @emissarygw2264 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hmm. I traded in my wrx for a miata. I feel less comfortable pushing the limits of traction accelerating out of corners, definitely seems a bit sketchier by comparison. I wonder if it's actually just a difference in tires though.

    • @Paynos
      @Paynos  ปีที่แล้ว

      Compared to your WRX with awd and more weight, the Miata will definitely be more lively with the power down coming out of corners. Especially slow speed. Your wrx could take full gas with lots of steering angle in second or even first gear, where a miata will want to step the back out. Just gotta be smoother (gas and steering) on the middle and exit of fast corners.

    • @emissarygw2264
      @emissarygw2264 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Paynos thanks! Makes sense.

  • @BladerMario
    @BladerMario ปีที่แล้ว

    I spun out my fwd drive civic in the rain with traction control turned off. It was the first day I had it & idk why I was doing that but yea oops anyways is it possible to drive that through the rain? Am I a dumbass for not being able to control it or what

  • @byronvisiado09
    @byronvisiado09 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thx m8.

  • @L7T2
    @L7T2 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ayyyyyy oriite lad

  • @victorpelini5995
    @victorpelini5995 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Volvo 240
    RWD but tend to understeer

  • @Dan-cr6uv
    @Dan-cr6uv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a stage 1 cupra but I’m thinking of getting a m140i but I’m low-key scared of a rear wheel drive 😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @sorkfebern
    @sorkfebern 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Now do a AWD video

  • @saby8765
    @saby8765 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    If you're skidding DO NOT BRAKE...just let off the gas and counter steer it

    • @bjornironsides6474
      @bjornironsides6474 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And be ready for snap back! It got me. I'm sure TCS and Stability control would have helped :( Don't know what made me turn it off that day. Stupid.

    • @robertgordon5956
      @robertgordon5956 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is the classic way to handle understeer (loss of front wheel grip) -- unwind the steering wheel and let up on the gas. For oversteer, steer in the direction you want to go.

  • @Shazzkid
    @Shazzkid 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Don't change gear during a corner, change before, simple enough, save you fucking up a downshift, also who changes gear mid corner anyway??

  • @byron5306
    @byron5306 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What can i do for heel toe if my accelerator is significantly lower then my brake

    • @Daniel_Anthony
      @Daniel_Anthony 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The pedals are closer in sporty cars making it easier.
      Try braking harder so the pedals are closer I remember doing this I realised I needed to brake pretty hard

    • @MacKaris
      @MacKaris 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't see why you would have to shift down WHILE you're on the brake, unless you're driving in a race or something. Simply get off the brake, and give it some throttle while you have the clutch depressed and shift down normally.

    • @byron5306
      @byron5306 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MacKaris cause i wait to til the last second to brake

    • @byron5306
      @byron5306 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Daniel_Anthony i found I can do it bare foot. with sneakers I need more practice, but no way with work boots

    • @MacKaris
      @MacKaris 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@byron5306 but why?

  • @aygwm
    @aygwm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I waited way too long to go RWD

  • @tessiethompson7303
    @tessiethompson7303 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is rear wheel drive dangerous in winter driving?

    • @Paynos
      @Paynos  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not any more dangerous that any other car as long as you've got a good set of winter tyres on it!

  • @collinjohnson7006
    @collinjohnson7006 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Yeah you mention fwd cars in the rain and people being afraid of rwd cars in the rain... If you think about it fwd cars are liable to understeer already by method of power delivery, combine that with the fact that the front tires make the first contact with the water, AND they have to create steering angle to move the car by the method of friction. It's much more logical to say you're afraid of a FWD car in the rain than a RWD, based on the sheer fact that you can control oversteer however you can't control understeer (only try to prevent it).

    • @davidjack3
      @davidjack3 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes true ,but with fwd you can lift off the throttle,but with rwd thar back end goes out

    • @davidjack3
      @davidjack3 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Most people CANT control oversteer ,but understeer is controlled by lifting off ,which is an instinctive thing to do in extremis

  • @shoneaholligan8316
    @shoneaholligan8316 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    😍

  • @andreasonkokal
    @andreasonkokal 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Maybe if you want to try rwd, then get a low horsepower rwd car?

  • @silverrain99205
    @silverrain99205 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sounds like a tigershark motor

  • @TheGameFans15
    @TheGameFans15 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    My only fear is oversteering

  • @lovenottheworld5723
    @lovenottheworld5723 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You're too young to know that all cars used to be rear wheel drive. Those new fangled front wheel drive cars just steer funny.

  • @jaydturney271
    @jaydturney271 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro my Altezza scares me every time it rains no matter how slow or careful i drive it slidesssss man. My mom told me to sell it lolol

    • @Daniel-zr4pk
      @Daniel-zr4pk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      get expensive tires and you'll be okay

  • @leakygussett4153
    @leakygussett4153 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Funny how everyone uses sideways sid as a driver skill reference point