At 16:29, we're talking about how requesting an excess timeout is a team technical. Let's flesh this out, because a team can request a timeout that the rules forbid the granting of (you can't be granted your bonus time-out before tipoff in overtime, you can't be granted a request for a consecutive timeout in overtime). So is the crime the request? Or is the crime the granting of the request that was excessive? If the time-out can't be granted, then it's mere request shouldn't be a team technical, but then again I didn't write that rule.
Here is an Interpretation from 2001: Sit 12: Team A has used all allotted time-outs. The scorer notifies the referee, who properly advises the Team A coach at the beginning of Team A’s last called time-out. During play later in the game, A4 attempts to call time-out when he/she is being pressured by B2 and 83. U2 ignores the request by A4. RULING: U2 should honor the request of A4, even when this would be a time-out in excess of the number allotted. Game officials do not have discretionary authority to assist players in avoiding rules violations. (2-7-6; 5-12-2)
@@BetterOfficials Let me give you a better example of what I was thinking. Imagine it's Overtime, and Team A has called a timeout. Both Teams A and B are in their huddles at their bench. Team A still has 2 timeouts, Team B has used up all of their timeouts. Huddles break, but before the ball becomes live the coach of Team B doesn't like what he sees from the court and attempts to call a timeout. Rule 5-11-7 states that "successive time-outs...shall not be granted [after the fourth quarter ends]." In this scenario, Team B is requesting a timeout he doesn't have, but the rules forbid the timeout from being granted whether he had it or he didn't. And yet, 10-2-3 states that the team technical shall be administered for merely requesting the timeout. I can't imagine that NFHS would expect up to 3 court officials to know the timeout status of both teams at all times so as to assess the technical for merely requesting a timeout that the coach doesn't have while simultaneously forbidding the official from even granting the timeout. On the other hand...10-2-3 says that you call a team technical for requesting the timeout. My commonsense echoes your interpretation from 2001 - you call the technical when the timeout is granted. But that's not exactly what 10-2-3 says...
I was doing an AAU tournament and the last game has made question if I want to continue. With like 15 seconds left in the game, a player on court calls a timeout. I go over to the table to report the timeout. I report the timeout when I hear from the opposing coach that the other team is out of timeouts. While still reporting the timeout called, I ask the table if the team is indeed out of timeouts. The table says yes. I then walk back to the middle of the court and announce the technical for excessive timeout. The table then calls me back and states that they had marked a timeout taken in the first half down as being in the second half [tournament rules 2 timeouts per half]. This timeout was not excessive. I inform both coaches of the error telling them of the misinformation and that no technical is warranted. The team that losing and whom would have gotten the technical free throws and ball goes ballistic, even calling someone on the phone to complain. At this time I had enough, as I had explained what was going to happen and why. I walked away and put the ball at the spot nearest to where the timeout had been called. Was this the correct why to handle it? Sorry for the long comment and thank you for the help. On a side note, during the same tournament, I also call a technical for more than 5 players on the court and one for contacting the basketball in possession of a player during a throw-in.
how do we administer a shooting or non shooting foul followed by a technical foul? is it in the order it happened or do we shoot the technical first and then the free throws?
Hi Solly! Order of occurrence. So if a player was to attempt two free throws and then we would shoot technical foul free throws we clear the lane for the first player to attempt their free throws and then attempt the technical foul free throws also with the Lane cleared.
Excellent again. Thank you for emphasizing "window of opportunity." Also, great job on your The High School Basketball Referee podcast. Keep em coming.
I like your videos, thank you. I have a question relative to the team technical for 10.2.1.A, delay in starting the game or second half by one minute. In 2.4.4 the referee has the responsibility for notification of each team three minutes prior to the start of the game and the restart after half. If we don't have the team notified as required by rule, how can we assess a technical foul? (I have never seen a Referee perform 2.4.4)
Referee is responsible to confirm with game administration that they will notify both teams at the 3 minute mark. I think we have to look at that as a courtesy and not a requirement. A bit of common sense will come into play as well. In addition, if 1 team in absent, we can have the timer hold their horn at 60 seconds for an extended length.
Also, at the end of the day it is the responsibility of the team to know. Just as in time outs. There are actions for the officials to take (inform the team when out of time outs) but if the official fails to do so a team will still be penalized for an excessive time out.
w1 is waiting to sub in she is beckoned in after an and 1 she doesnt move r1 thinks she is for the shooter the shooter misses the and one b1 gets the rebound that is when white coach sees he only has 4 players on the court yells to w1 to get on the floor she runs on the court r2 blows it dead is this a technical foul or no
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At 16:29, we're talking about how requesting an excess timeout is a team technical. Let's flesh this out, because a team can request a timeout that the rules forbid the granting of (you can't be granted your bonus time-out before tipoff in overtime, you can't be granted a request for a consecutive timeout in overtime). So is the crime the request? Or is the crime the granting of the request that was excessive?
If the time-out can't be granted, then it's mere request shouldn't be a team technical, but then again I didn't write that rule.
Here is an Interpretation from 2001:
Sit 12: Team A has used all allotted time-outs. The scorer notifies the referee, who properly advises the Team A coach at the beginning of Team A’s last called time-out. During play later in the game, A4 attempts to call time-out when he/she is being pressured by B2 and 83. U2 ignores the request by A4. RULING: U2 should honor the request of A4, even when this would be a time-out in excess of the number allotted. Game officials do not have discretionary authority to assist players in avoiding rules violations. (2-7-6; 5-12-2)
@@BetterOfficials Let me give you a better example of what I was thinking. Imagine it's Overtime, and Team A has called a timeout. Both Teams A and B are in their huddles at their bench. Team A still has 2 timeouts, Team B has used up all of their timeouts. Huddles break, but before the ball becomes live the coach of Team B doesn't like what he sees from the court and attempts to call a timeout.
Rule 5-11-7 states that "successive time-outs...shall not be granted [after the fourth quarter ends]." In this scenario, Team B is requesting a timeout he doesn't have, but the rules forbid the timeout from being granted whether he had it or he didn't. And yet, 10-2-3 states that the team technical shall be administered for merely requesting the timeout.
I can't imagine that NFHS would expect up to 3 court officials to know the timeout status of both teams at all times so as to assess the technical for merely requesting a timeout that the coach doesn't have while simultaneously forbidding the official from even granting the timeout. On the other hand...10-2-3 says that you call a team technical for requesting the timeout.
My commonsense echoes your interpretation from 2001 - you call the technical when the timeout is granted. But that's not exactly what 10-2-3 says...
Thank you for Citing the rules :)
I was doing an AAU tournament and the last game has made question if I want to continue. With like 15 seconds left in the game, a player on court calls a timeout. I go over to the table to report the timeout. I report the timeout when I hear from the opposing coach that the other team is out of timeouts. While still reporting the timeout called, I ask the table if the team is indeed out of timeouts. The table says yes. I then walk back to the middle of the court and announce the technical for excessive timeout. The table then calls me back and states that they had marked a timeout taken in the first half down as being in the second half [tournament rules 2 timeouts per half]. This timeout was not excessive. I inform both coaches of the error telling them of the misinformation and that no technical is warranted. The team that losing and whom would have gotten the technical free throws and ball goes ballistic, even calling someone on the phone to complain. At this time I had enough, as I had explained what was going to happen and why. I walked away and put the ball at the spot nearest to where the timeout had been called. Was this the correct why to handle it? Sorry for the long comment and thank you for the help.
On a side note, during the same tournament, I also call a technical for more than 5 players on the court and one for contacting the basketball in possession of a player during a throw-in.
how do we administer a shooting or non shooting foul followed by a technical foul? is it in the order it happened or do we shoot the technical first and then the free throws?
Hi Solly! Order of occurrence. So if a player was to attempt two free throws and then we would shoot technical foul free throws we clear the lane for the first player to attempt their free throws and then attempt the technical foul free throws also with the Lane cleared.
Excellent again. Thank you for emphasizing "window of opportunity." Also, great job on your The High School Basketball Referee podcast. Keep em coming.
I like your videos, thank you.
I have a question relative to the team technical for 10.2.1.A, delay in starting the game or second half by one minute. In 2.4.4 the referee has the responsibility for notification of each team three minutes prior to the start of the game and the restart after half. If we don't have the team notified as required by rule, how can we assess a technical foul? (I have never seen a Referee perform 2.4.4)
Referee is responsible to confirm with game administration that they will notify both teams at the 3 minute mark.
I think we have to look at that as a courtesy and not a requirement. A bit of common sense will come into play as well.
In addition, if 1 team in absent, we can have the timer hold their horn at 60 seconds for an extended length.
Also, at the end of the day it is the responsibility of the team to know. Just as in time outs. There are actions for the officials to take (inform the team when out of time outs) but if the official fails to do so a team will still be penalized for an excessive time out.
w1 is waiting to sub in she is beckoned in after an and 1
she doesnt move r1 thinks she is for the shooter
the shooter misses the and one b1 gets the rebound that is when white coach sees he only has 4 players on the court yells to w1 to get on the floor she runs on the court r2 blows it dead
is this a technical foul or no
By rule this is a Team Technical Foul.
Thank you
Does a substitute technical foul result in a personal foul for the offending substitute player as well as a team foul?
Yes.