Loved that you talked about this years ago! Technology has gotten better every year. Where it was 20F or so years ago, now they work down to -10F for various systems. I installed on in my house in Wisconsin a couple years ago. Even get savings here.
Live in North Texas. Installed heat pump in new house in 2000. On days below 32 deg. does not work. You need to have either supplemental gas furnace or resistive (expensive electric) back up. Moved in 2008 and now happy with gas furnace and regular AC compressor. To each his own I guess. Kind of like gas vs. EV automobiles.
Since that's a heat-pump, why didn't you guys install a line-set with the liquid-line insulated? Also, since the customer is spending for premium equipment and performance, why install that small, high static-pressure indoor evap. coil, when you had all the room to install an upsized, taller low-static pressure evap. coil, which would have both raised the A/C SEER rating, and especially for the heat-pump, and overall household airflow. Next, that combo return-air filter with the tight, high-MERV pleats, and the electrostatic unit just kills your airflow and efficiency. The radius return fitting is nice, but the whole unit should have been raised up, and installed on air/filter box, to achieve better airflow and efficiency. Remember folks, "high-efficiency" filtration generally means low-efficiency heating and cooling. Lastly, that house doesn't need zoning, and that's just a high-margin contractor upsell. This video shows we call "errors and omissions", and "upselling" in the HVAC industry.
so how does the average consumer 'shop' for the right kind of system vs falling prey to the usual sales tactics? Just their own time and effort on due diligence?
Mike (or anyone), I understand the point about efficient filtration working against efficient airflow, but then what's recommended when efficient air filtration is needed due to allergies etc.?
I've recently converted from oil to gas boiler, however, there is no savings as the gas company increases their rate during the winter months. They call it "Frigid Condition Rates". Would I benefit having a heat pump installation to work in tandem with the gas boiler?
Depends on gas and electricity costs. I highly recommend a heat pump with a high efficiency gas furnace. Use the heat pump on outdoor air temps typically down to the low 30’s. And use the gas on colder temps.
RTU's are bad enough but you never had to go out late at night because buildings usually had more than one. They will never be that popular in areas that have cheaper gas and oil. An RTU is easier and faster to repair
I have one in Central MN and Have Propane as my backup and have been running mine down to 15 and so far I love it! Home is 2 years old covers the Sept-dec months pretty well and then at night my propane kicks in under 15. 3500 sq ft house 16 seer. Raise my electric bill at most use for $30 only since its a dual fuel rate also :)
And there still an off a lot of heat remaining in the air so the only thing holding him back is figuring out how to get that heat out of the air efficiency? Remember 0° does not mean no heat because the absence of heat is 460° below zero anything above that there’s heat in the air we just need to figure out how to get it!!
it will depend where you are and if its a change out or a full new system with ductwork ,im in nj let me know if thats where you are i can tell you ball parks here
@@takethepowerback83 ok you are looking at about 15-17k for the HVAC but you will need a lot of drywall repairs paint etc, if it were cooling one floor we would charge 8-10k depends on how far the utilities are from the unit, Besides if the house is rough (meaning no drywall) then it would be considerably less expensive
You replaced a 15 year old system that had a 25 year life expectancy ?? Then you sold them a heat pump that is never going to be as efficient as that 90% gas furnace and only has a life expectancy of 15 years... The only people benefiting from this is the company and the salesman you should be ashamed for ripping off those old people !!
Efficiency is a way of selling you expensive units vs affordable ones. Efficeny depends on mostly you windows having no drafts and doors. The more air loss the more it cost to heat or cool regardless of how efficeint your system is. If you live in NJ you need heat for 3 months and sam e for AC. Buy the least expensive with the highest warrenty you can get. You can always use an electric blanket and small heaters. Efficiency is based on the efficency of the fan 😂😂😂
Nope heat doesnt come out a heat pump in 20 degree air. Stops working under 40°. It sucks if you want heat in actual cold or freezing air outside. It's just a draft. Can't stand it. bge stole my ac and switched it to this crap without asking
@Ronald Simmons Super later reply here, but which exact system is it? We're looking to build a house in New England and cold climate heat pumps seem like they could be on par or cheaper than fuel oil, which is really our only other option.
Loved that you talked about this years ago! Technology has gotten better every year. Where it was 20F or so years ago, now they work down to -10F for various systems. I installed on in my house in Wisconsin a couple years ago. Even get savings here.
Live in North Texas. Installed heat pump in new house in 2000. On days below 32 deg. does not work. You need to have either supplemental gas furnace or resistive (expensive electric) back up. Moved in 2008 and now happy with gas furnace and regular AC compressor. To each his own I guess. Kind of like gas vs. EV automobiles.
What kind of evaporator coil is that?
Since that's a heat-pump, why didn't you guys install a line-set with the liquid-line insulated?
Also, since the customer is spending for premium equipment and performance, why install that small, high static-pressure indoor evap. coil, when you had all the room to install an upsized, taller low-static pressure evap. coil, which would have both raised the A/C SEER rating, and especially for the heat-pump, and overall household airflow.
Next, that combo return-air filter with the tight, high-MERV pleats, and the electrostatic unit just kills your airflow and efficiency. The radius return fitting is nice, but the whole unit should have been raised up, and installed on air/filter box, to achieve better airflow and efficiency. Remember folks, "high-efficiency" filtration generally means low-efficiency heating and cooling.
Lastly, that house doesn't need zoning, and that's just a high-margin contractor upsell.
This video shows we call "errors and omissions", and "upselling" in the HVAC industry.
so how does the average consumer 'shop' for the right kind of system vs falling prey to the usual sales tactics? Just their own time and effort on due diligence?
Mike (or anyone), I understand the point about efficient filtration working against efficient airflow, but then what's recommended when efficient air filtration is needed due to allergies etc.?
I've recently converted from oil to gas boiler, however, there is no savings as the gas company increases their rate during the winter months. They call it "Frigid Condition Rates". Would I benefit having a heat pump installation to work in tandem with the gas boiler?
No
Depends on gas and electricity costs. I highly recommend a heat pump with a high efficiency gas furnace. Use the heat pump on outdoor air temps typically down to the low 30’s. And use the gas on colder temps.
David Horne .
There are new heat pump units effective to 5F. Heat pumps are getting more popular in cold climates with hybrid methods.
I'm not going to work on your heat pump during a blizzard and cold snap. Attics and crawl spaces are bad enough without going outside during storms.
RTU's are bad enough but you never had to go out late at night because buildings usually had more than one. They will never be that popular in areas that have cheaper gas and oil. An RTU is easier and faster to repair
I have one in Central MN and Have Propane as my backup and have been running mine down to 15 and so far I love it! Home is 2 years old covers the Sept-dec months pretty well and then at night my propane kicks in under 15. 3500 sq ft house 16 seer. Raise my electric bill at most use for $30 only since its a dual fuel rate also :)
And there still an off a lot of heat remaining in the air so the only thing holding him back is figuring out how to get that heat out of the air efficiency? Remember 0° does not mean no heat because the absence of heat is 460° below zero anything above that there’s heat in the air we just need to figure out how to get it!!
@@mattb.5399 Does a heat pump thermostat need to know the exterior temperature so that it knows when to convert to gas mode?
Air source heat pumps are better than none but ground source and solar are the way to go in Heating climates.
What it’s the price for a hybrid heat pump like that?
it will depend where you are and if its a change out or a full new system with ductwork ,im in nj let me know if thats where you are i can tell you ball parks here
@@takethepowerback83 for which floor? Will the system be in a manageable attic? And are you in north or south
@@takethepowerback83 is it cooling one floor or 2?
@@takethepowerback83 ok you are looking at about 15-17k for the HVAC but you will need a lot of drywall repairs paint etc, if it were cooling one floor we would charge 8-10k depends on how far the utilities are from the unit,
Besides if the house is rough (meaning no drywall) then it would be considerably less expensive
@@takethepowerback83 are you in the north of the state or the south?
Heat pumps are not always an upgrade
You replaced a 15 year old system that had a 25 year life expectancy ?? Then you sold them a heat pump that is never going to be as efficient as that 90% gas furnace and only has a life expectancy of 15 years... The only people benefiting from this is the company and the salesman you should be ashamed for ripping off those old people !!
Efficiency is a way of selling you expensive units vs affordable ones. Efficeny depends on mostly you windows having no drafts and doors. The more air loss the more it cost to heat or cool regardless of how efficeint your system is. If you live in NJ you need heat for 3 months and sam e for AC. Buy the least expensive with the highest warrenty you can get. You can always use an electric blanket and small heaters. Efficiency is based on the efficency of the fan 😂😂😂
Nope heat doesnt come out a heat pump in 20 degree air. Stops working under 40°. It sucks if you want heat in actual cold or freezing air outside. It's just a draft. Can't stand it. bge stole my ac and switched it to this crap without asking
Actually heat pumps can heat down to 5 degrees for the high end ones mini splits can heat at -20 degrees
@Ronald Simmons Super later reply here, but which exact system is it? We're looking to build a house in New England and cold climate heat pumps seem like they could be on par or cheaper than fuel oil, which is really our only other option.