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Im excited for my duel fuel system to be installed soon! I'm glad I went with this over pure electric since I'm in Colorado. Thanks for teaching me something new, I didn't know the furnace itself acted as the air handler. I ended up with a single stage heat pump and a 2-stage furnace with a variable blower. Replacing a 23 year old furnace with no current AC!
I live in south Texas and the hvac companies I talked to said to replace with a furnace because NGS is just cheaper then electric rates, but I never pay more than $150 for electricity. Plus I know someone with a Daikin Fit that live in my area and loves his unit.
You're in Denver! Looks like I picked the right video to watch. I want a heat pump so bad! Mostly for some needed cooling in the summer. The swamp cooler just ain't doing the trick anymore.
Right on! Yeah I don’t blame you lol, it’s getting hot, btw if you live in Denver proper (city / county) there’s a few sizable heat pump rebates right now to take advantage of plus the state of Colorado tax credit is $1500
I have a heat pump and a propane fueled furnace. My electric bill this month with AC via heat pump and it was $43.00 and most of that was connection fee. actual generated more electricty then consumed. 53 330 watt panels on the roof. Battery backup and a 24KW generator on the house. love it
@@rorygillmore6555 sounds like it should be illegal does it? I have to pay a minimum $40 a month for my gas, even though I don't use any gas in 8 months of the year.
I did the Solar system work myself and got the gov 30% rebate so my cost was much lower around ($7K). I converted 2 propane gas hot water heaters to electric ($800 cost) and later converted the propane house heating to heat pump electric with the propane as emergency backup. (Propane is very expensive) The AC/heat units were 20 years old and had to be replaced anyways. I started saving $2200 a year on propane and let the solar do all the work. Electric bill was about $1400 + min a year now $270 a year which is just the monthly min. Saving $3600 a year paid for the solar in 2 years. The electric company gives me a credit at the end of the year for my overage to them. Last year I produced about 27 MW and the power company said I gave them 7 MW so they paid me whole sale price for the electric I gave them. My house is 3100 square feet with two hot water heaters and two 4 ton AC heat pumps and 3 shops with a total 6 tons of AC heat pumps. So my solar cost is configured for this load. I now use the excess Solar to charge the Mach E and that is saving me about $150 a month on gasoline at current prices ($3 a gallon). The Mach E is using less than 100 KW a month.
You are my hero!! This is a bigger-scale version of the kind if thing I want to do. What state do you live in? I'm wondering if I can get a similar deal from my power company, I know the rules around net metering vary greatly from state to state.
Heat pumps are the biggest scam in a long time. Most efficient is not most cost effective in cold climates. I’m glad you covered dual fuel because the people that get rid of their natural gas altogether almost always are regretting.
Agree. I ran the numbers. My ele is 14 cents a kWh, my gas is $7.5 a Gj. Working out the numbers for BTU and assuming an 80% efficient natural gas furnace, I'd need a cop of 4.1 for break even. If the gas furnace is 90% then need a cop of 4.7. During the start of the Ukraine war gas did peak up to $12.18 and that would have made a heat pump operational more efficient in my area. For a 90% furnace and a cop of 3.2 the gas price of $10.94GJ is the break even vs 14 cent ele. We have cheap ele and I imagine fairly standard gas prices - so it is hard to imagine a heat pump being operationally more efficient than a furnace. If you are replacing baseboard heaters - yes you'll be operationally more efficient. Thanks for the content !
I have a bosch IDS 2.0 and love it. We didnt get to do much heating with it. (I was a beneficiary of Mikey Pipes) The AC is excellent so is heat pump and dual fuel.
@@TheHVACDopeShow do it. They are excellent. I can’t say enough good things. If you want any photos or video of mine just ask. It’s hot af today and this weekend so it’ll be working. I have no prob sharing info with you.
Live in Boston and we only have heating oil and propane in our neighborhood, no natural gas lines. Home heating oil fluctuates between $3-$4/ gal and I use about 750 gallons a year. I think I’m going with dual heating now with the oil furnace and these heat pumps. I also have solar panels
Yeah that’s probably a good bet, at $2300-3000 a year you’re averaging 200-250$ a month so a heat pump will likely offset that especially with some solar to offset!
I have solar, heat pumps and a natural gas on-demand tankless water heater. We use the stored energy credits from our solar to power and heat our home in northern New England, plus charge an electric car. Our energy credits last about 10 months out of the year - If we didn't use the heat pumps for heat, the energy credits would easily last the whole year. Its been a great setup and the savings are huge. Saving $250 per month with the Tesla not paying for gas, saving $150 per month in electricity, including heating the house most of the winter. So highly recommend all 3 - solar panels, a Tesla, and natural gas on-demand water heater. Get at least 8kw of solar panels.
Have home in the Pagosa Springs, CO area with existing propane in floor heating system and NO a/c for these 90 degree days. Due to the high cost of propane considering add[ng a heat pump (split unit) for the a/c and possible heating saving reducing propane use. Climate similar to Denver except maybe little colder would u recomend a heat pump ??
Yes! VRV Life or a multi port ductless option would work well since you likely don't have ductwork with your in floor heating I'm assuming? You could potentially put a ducted system in an attic or slim duct unit in a crawl space, just make sure they don't cut into your pipes if they're cutting in new registers!
I have oil heat right now and am in an upstate New York climate. It can be up to $700/mo right now to heat my house so I’m definitely looking to replace the system. I don’t have city lines to my house so if I do propane I’d also have to rent the tank. I was also thinking about a heat pump. I’m not sure but either option seems like it will be way cheaper to run, especially with diesel prices not going down anytime soon.
Yikes, yes a dual fuel heat pump (propane furnace as backup) will probably be cheaper to run for sure… upstate New York is cold but at that monthly price you could probably run a cold climate heat pump for less than half that? I’d have to see your electric rates to know for sure but that’s very expensive, anything under .30 cents a kWh is probably about a 50% savings with most inverter heat pumps. This is assuming your insulation / windows / doors aren’t single pane and / or in very poor shape and in need of updating. Insulation is one of the best ways to reduce your bills and improve efficiency if your insulation is subpar
@@TheHVACDopeShow electric is extremely cheap here. We have a great nuclear power plant nearby. It’s $0.11/kWh where I live. I am going to get a consult done to see what else I can do in terms of insulation, windows, doors, etc.
Keep the oil and go dual fuel. Bosch Heat Pumps are very efficient with inverter technology...Pair that with a high efficiency oil boiler and use a hydronic coil for your aux/Emerg. heat and you would be set
First of all, well done on all the content - you're doing great things, please keep it going! :) I would love your recommendation on path forward. We live in Centennial, and we currently have a 3.5 ton, ~ 10 SEER AC unit that is ~27 yrs old, and a 6 yr old 96% Amanda variable speed fan 2 stage furnace (AMVC961005CN) , and a Nest thermostat, and an Aprilaire bypass humidifier (configured to trip blower when humidity is below setpoint). We plan on staying in the home 10 yr + We will be getting solar installed this summer, and given some of the rebates & tax credits offered, thought it would make sense to replace the AC unit with a heat pump. Our current concerns are expensive/inefficient AC unit, rising costs of heating costs, noisy fan (on the inside of home while running), and poor humidity. I've seen most of your videos, and considering if the Daikin Fit enhanced and a dual fuel setup would be a good solution... though I'm not sure if it could work with the existing furnace & blower (since it would be a shame to scrap a 6 yr old high efficiency unit). What solutions would you recommend with the cost, and efficiency considerations in this situation? Or would we need a whole new heat pump + Daikin furnace, communicating setup to capture the efficiency of the variable nature of the inverter technology? Thinking it would also make sense to go with the Aprilaire 800 steam unit while doing the upgrade (thanks for the video). Many thanks - love the channel.
Right on my pleasure! I believe the Amana version of the fit actually pairs with that furnace, if you’re having airflow issues (you mentioned air noise?) that’s something that can be adjusted via the blower settings. If you’d like us to take a look you mentioned centennial , as in Colorado? Happy to take a look because although we don’t sell Amana because we sell Daikin, the Amana might pair and we could get you a referral. Just want to make sure that system is sized right for the ductwork and if not we can turn down the blower to account for the airflow concerns. If the Amana system you have doesn’t pair with their inverter option I’d consider a Mitsubishi intelliheat
Can you explain more on when the furnace would be triggered to start heating? Is this something automatic or something you can configure (eg: if the outdoor temperature is below 0C/32F, furnace will also start heating)
It’s something you configure. Normally when the COP drops below efficient set point so on most systems around 0-10F depending on the heat pump. Cold climate heat pumps have a minimum COP of 1.75 at 5F and 75% capacity minimum as well, so most cold climate heat pumps are great into single digit lows depending how it’s sized. In Colorado we normally end up sizing them to cut out between 0-15F depending on the design conditions and load on the space because we primarily size for ductwork constraints and cooling load which is always lower than heating load.
wonderful and thank you for informative Video. I am planning to replace single zone 21 year old HVAC with furnace. Would you recommend dual fuel and also dual zone, one for first and another for Second floor.
Thanks! It’s Hard to answer without a little more information, depends on your region and if you have an existing furnace now for the main floor? If you just want some additional comfort upstairs a VRF / VRV life system which can add a second head unit or something upstairs is a good option, but it depends what you’re trying to accomplish and your existing infrastructure.
Do you by chance have the estimated "dollar amount" for using a heat pump (on electricity) vs Furnace (on natural gas) to warm up the house to 23 degrees cely from an outside temperature of -5 degrees Celsius in a hypothetical 24-hours period in Ottawa? Assumptions is that the Heat Pump is 3Tons, and the house is newly built air tight of approximately 3000 square ft.
Not really you need more information, I break this down in a video about calculated breakeven COP but it’s kind of complex and varies by electric and gas rates and heat pump efficiency
Alberta, Sask and Manitoba can be -30C, -40C and -50C for weeks, Let alone winter starts Oct and ends middle of May, I'd have to say power consumption would be through the roof costing thousands a month$$. Would like to hear from someone that is actually using these in these provinces in Canada
Great video! So to clarify your office (and personal home) are using dual heat with a furnace and VRV system since it gets cold in Denver but if this were Arizona the VRV would only need an air handler (no extra heat)? I am in Provo, we have similar weather but lowest temp this season was maybe 19 degrees. Do you need to use an air handler or furnace with the VRV system to achieve comfort zoning (lets say heat the basement but cool the upstairs at the same time)? Also, are the wall or ceiling cassettes then ducted opposed to “ductless” or can you do either (ducted or ductless) with an air handler or furnace? I’m just confused with the furnace/ air handler component since Im used to seeing a ductless mini-split not going through these. I like the idea of this though since it appears you are also running this system through a humidifier (I’m looking at your background system in the intro). Thanks!
For cooling in one zone and heating in the other on the same condenser you technically need a 3 pipe system which is normally commercial / set up for hotels for example. And yes we use a duel fuel VRV in our Home and Office, and in Arizona you could probably get away with a Daikin Fit Heat pump without an emergency heat kit/furnace because the heat pump will always keep up... If the weather doesn't drop below 0 typically your heat pump will keep running just fine. Ours ran fine this past winter down to -8 F!
The way this country has been run for last 25 years you can tell with 100 percent certainty that the price of gas and electricity would go only up and I choose to install all electric heat pump system so I could add solar panels to it later , but you did not mention that heat pump may not be able to provide sufficient comfort in drafty hoses
For sure, if it's drafty just sealing up windows / doors / cracks etc. and blow in insulation in the attic can make a huge difference (weather stripping etc.)
@The HVAC Dope Show How well would a heat pump pair with a boiler/hot water baseboard system? Mine runs on gas. I'm in Southern Colorado. Lots of boilers here. I know nothing about heat pumps. Would they still send hot water through my existing baseboards, or would it require a whole new system?
Head units or ductwork. They also have “cassettes”, if you google Mitsubishi or Daikin cassette you’ll see what I’m referencing but it’s basically a mini split / ductless heat pump variation. We have a lot of boiler customers and that’s what we install in their homes since they don’t have ductwork. Technically they make a water source heat pump that can replace a small residential boiler but I don’t have access to them or sell them. Outside of commercial applications those (water source heat pumps / residential) are more common in Europe
Just replacing a gas or electric hot water heater with a heat pump is simple enough. When you want to use a heat pump for space heating it gets a lot more complicated because the water being pumped around is (usually) not as hot. So you need new, bigger radiators. If you want to use a single pump for hot water and for space heating then it will be a nightmare! You need to find a qualified heating engineer to design you a solution for your house. You're not going to get answers from this or any other you-tube channel. There are a lot of people doing the same thing as you are contemplating, in the UK. There, the typical space heating is by hot water pumped from a gas boiler round baseboard radiators. Go and look at Heat Geeks or Skill Builder channels and see the failed attempts to make Heat Pumps work for space heating. There are a lot of cowboys in the game over there and it will be the same in the US as the government starts pushing out money to make people interested in heat pumps. Be warned, Kimberly
What do you recommend for the Sacramento California area, either a heat pump or a furnace? I existingly have a furnace and AC. We hardly get freezing here, but it gets hot in summer. Thanks
Our go to is the Daikin fit and honestly Daikin fit heat pump would be great if you’re wanting to make the switch if you’re considering adding solar. Electric rates can be much higher in California so I’d just pay attention to how much you use it and the heat pump vs. furnace bill to run. Comfort though a inverter heat pump is so quiet and comfortable because of modulation so if you are wanting a comfort option I’d lean towards a Daikin fit
@TheHVACDopeShow Is it okay for a SINGLE stage furnace be paired with an inverter heat pump? Does it loose significant efficiency when compared to a variable stage air handler/furnace? I am in PNW area and our furnace (80%) is only 4 year old.
You lose a little but only based on the parameters of your system (meaning single stage blower motor is what is reducing your overall SEER or HSPF rating) because that’s what’s paired with the system. You could put in a Mitsubishi intelliheat, or any of the Bosch systems and it will work without having to replace your furnace.
Thanks for the informative video! Is it possible to add a heat pump and coil to an existing electric furnace? It would be like a dual fuel system in that the electric furnace would be the back up heat. Not a true dual fuel system as there is only electricity involved.
Yes it is as long as the electric furnace has a control board that can handle it. Worst case you can use relays to create the control logic for heat pump vs. electric but most air handlers are set up with an electric heat kit so it’s the same concept. Also if you replace that electric furnace with a heat pump / air handler combo the nice thing is the new electric heat kit can be sized to work with your existing electrical circuit
Thanks! I really needed an unbiased opinion. Contractors that cannot work with Hydro rebate program here are telling me this is a good alternative to replacing my electric furnace with a heat pump. Contractors that work with the Hydro rebate program are telling me this won’t work and then quote me over $20000 for a new heat pump to replace my electric furnace. Thanks for the video presenting options. Everyone’s situation is different.
I have an old boiler that keeps needing parts and a hot water tank that needs to be replaced. My oil tank is 30 years old and in my basement. I’m thinking the oil tank should be replaced? I have a Heat pump also. I live in a Northeast climate. I’m thinking of switching to a heat pump hot water heater. We don’t use the boiler much for heat unless it gets really cold for 1 month in the middle of winter. Can I do without the boiler if it breaks down if I have a heat pump hot water tank? Could I just have electric heat as backup during that colder month in the winter? I understand I need a second source of heat besides the heat pump. But I’m trying to plan ahead for when I need a new boiler in a few years. The cost to replace the boiler is crazy if we only use it one month a year.
Backup electric would be fine if you’re only using it one month a year, it will be more to heat than the heat pump obviously but oil boilers are expensive to run too so it’s probably not that far off.
Hello, I’m building a new home in the Salt Lake area and considering a ground source heat pump, and they are EXPENSIVE. Could I hire you for a couple hours to be my consultant to help make this decision?
Right on thanks for reaching out, we’re actually going to start a call in show soon so no charge and I’m sure anyone looking into ground loop geothermal would be interested in the content and find it helpful… but we actually don’t do ground loops / ground source heat pumps (you’re referencing geothermal correct?) so I don’t know that I’m the best reference. I can ask around and see if I can get a few referrals in Salt lake though to get you someone reputable. I know everything has gotten very expensive recently in general / construction costs, but things are starting to come down a little bit (raw materials have gotten expensive), but running geothermal / ground loops has always been an expensive proposition. I just know from what I’ve heard the most important thing is to get the loop done properly / sized properly so you don’t have issues. Let me see what I can find for you as far as a solid referral in your area
Upstate? Or what part? I guess it depends on the climate I’m not as familiar with NY… dual fuel can help hedge against energy price fluctuations too so you can swap between the two sources of heat as needed depending on what’s more efficient but your heat pump will always be efficient as an AC
@TheHVACDopeShow not one particular part of New York, but if you are living in the state of New York, which does get cold depending on how cold it is but would you still recommend it
Perfect climate for Dual Fuel setups are where you know it will get cold enough that the heat pump won't keep up (like -10 or colder), then you have a backup furnace for these scenarios. This is why they're popular in Colorado because 99% of the time the heat pump can run (we have a lot of sun here so people install solar panels which further makes running the heat pump cheaper to operate as well. If electricity was a lot more expensive though it might be better to use a furnace. It really depends I'd look at your bill and see how much your gas costs are to really calculate if it's worth it.
In Canada there is so much pressure to get off fossil fuels and of course there is very little reliable and honest information. This is one of the first times I have heard of duel systems. You would think our government would be prepared with good information but sadly there are few companies that have enough experience and know how to install the right type of system and have it not cost more to run than the old fossil fuel system.
I have an electric heat pump and electric back up furnace for 22 years in Quebec, you have to do your research dude, the hydro co can come to your house an evaluate.
This is the first real information I’m coming across after getting 3 different quotes last year that were all completely different recommended systems ranging from 35k up to 60k. I knew nothing then so we decided to wait since the prices were coming in so high but we are getting ready to get another 3 quotes soon because our current Sears furnace with baseboard heating is running on borrowed time. We just bought this house a year ago and plan on living here a long time it has solar panels, which I need to find out more information on because we don’t own it unfortunately. We definitely want ducted airflow, and know that will bring the price up a lot. It’s a two-story house in Boston Massachusetts. The attic hatch is very small to get a unit up in there, but we could totally widen it up. I’m just now learning about going all electric and getting hyped for it but realistically, I need to do a ton more research to get the right set up and more similar quotes… Thank you guys for the video and comments any recommendations would be greatly appreciated with my research journey! 😅
Great, informative video, but does this guy speak with his hands or what? He could work at DIA (Denver Int. Airport) waving his arms directing planes from the tarmac. LOL. Thanks for the info.
The air conditioning is great but the heating sucks on a heat pump. Instead of blazing heat like a gas furnace that gets the temperature up faster and doesn't run as long. It comes out lukewarm, so the unit runs way longer and doesn't get up the temp very Well. There's supposed to maintain the temperature. But I don't see that from what i've been using. I got a douglas heat system for air conditioning and I have a gas furnace. Is the power bill isn't too bad. But you just don't get the temperature of warmth to the touch on a heat pump. When you're cold after being outside eight hours. A duckless won't warm the bones like a gas furnace will. 122 ⁰F from the heat pump. 245⁰F comes from the Gas furnace. Environmentally smart is gas. 43% less energy use then electric. A/C is fabulous 👌 but heat cycle not impressed
There is some truth to what you’re saying but I don’t see a 245F supply temp on any furnace ever, normally we see a 75 degree delta T tops but this varies by manufacturer. Depending on the heat pump you are correct but that’s why we opt for high efficiency low ambient heat pumps. The only time you’ll notice it’s a heat pump (on the good ones) is on the coldest nights if you just got back from out of town and the house was set at 55 or something while you were out of town.
@TheHVACDopeShow my Goodman Gas furnace puts out 245⁰F on the nearest heat register to the furnace. Stings your skin to the touch. Very cheap to operate and 97% efficiency 2 stage furnace
Why do you focus so much on the heating aspect of these units and gloss over the cooling capabilities. I live in the southwest part of the country where winters tend to run in the low 40s with occasional dips to the mid to high 30s. In the summer time temperatures range from 80s to 100-110 or so. Currently I use a gas furnace and AC unit both of which are approximately 12+ years old. I want to consider options like the heat pump as a potential replacement for my furnace and AC units. It’s unlikely I would be moving out in the next 5 years. Your thoughts?
It’s just the topic of this video I can’t cover all topics in all videos, we have a lot of cooling geared videos coming out but heat pump with no backup heat is fine in the southwest. For example in your climate of 110f and heating at 30-40F you could use a Daikin fit enhanced with 120v air handler and really minimize your install cost
The only caveat is if you currently don’t have air conditioning you need to make sure the ductwork is large enough for the needed airflow for the system size needed for your home. Great question!
@@TheHVACDopeShowOk, great, thanks! So, how do I figure that out? Also, I've heard elsewhere that retrofitting a heat pump onto a gas furnace would cost something like $15k, mostly for the labor. Is that accurate?
Are heat pumps effective in more extreme cold? Temperatures of -20F to -40F are common here for much of the winter. My natural gas is cheap and my hydro rates are quite inexpensive as well.
Some heat pumps will maintain capacity as low as -20 / -30F, so yes they can be viable solutions but ducted heat pumps are sized for the ductwork as well, so dual fuel is a good option for since you’ll have a backup source for those very cold nights. We’re doing a review on an ACiq product that has low ambient ratings to -22F it maintains 100% capacity. I’ve heard gree flex can keep up into the -20’s and -30’s as well
I recently purchased a 3200 sqft home in Las Vegas with a 4 ton and 3 ton HVAC gas system. I want to replace and plan on adding solar panels. Would you recommend heat pump or dual fuel ? or same?
Las Vegas doesn’t get cold enough to need dual fuel. Any inverter heat pump that does well in high ambient conditions will provide the biggest savings, if paired with solar in the future this is especially true.
Bolth if you want a heat pump. Heat pumps only work so low. Air handler with expencave heat strips are not ever going to be as good as a gas fired furnace as your air handler.
I agree, dual fuel is a great option for climates like yours. Most low ambient heat pumps will keep up down to 0 our even -10F and the backup furnace keeps you warm for the cold snaps. I have family in Michigan, it gets cold!!
I just burn wood. It's free and good exercise. No reputable company would even think of selling a heat pump where I live. Not sure why people think using coal powered electricity to heat their home is good for the environment....
@@TheHVACDopeShow It's a bit of work but me and my boys cut and split around 60 metric tonnes of dead white ash trees every year. We have heat with or without electricity. Also cook on the fireplace, passively.
Bc many plants don’t power themselves purely using coal. So, you’re also using renewables by using a heat pump, and hope is power plants transition to renewables and therefore the heat pump would be fueled solely by renewables. Unlike a gas furnace which is 100% fossil fuels.
I hate my Trane heat pump. I bought a Trane seer, 14 heat pump back in 2007 whenever I built my new home and electric heat strips and exactly 10 years later the compressor broke. So I replaced the whole system except for the lines which they cleaned out and installed a Trane Xi 18 variable speed, heat pump and Tam 7 seven air handler. I have had nothing but problems with it since being new in 2017. I will never buy another heat pump again. Plus electricity prices in the Midwest have skyrocketed. Thanks for that rotten Biden and that stinking commie green crap. So I am going to buy a good gas furnace and not real high efficiency because they’re not worth it but a good one and a simple, central air conditioner, seer 16 and no more. It will not be Trane. I have heard that Amana or Dakin do very well.
Yikes I’m sorry to hear that! Have you had any second opinions on the install? Sometimes the communication systems are very particular on how they get installed and if something is missed can cause issues. Something as simple as thermostat wire type or wiring connections at the board etc. can cause issues. Does it already need replacement again after only 5 years?
@@TheHVACDopeShow The install was good according to 3 different HVAC technicians. The heat strips are out. That’s the culprit according to a local tech.
@@TheHVACDopeShow So I have another expert coming today to give me a final recommendation. I will not buy a Trane. I will go Propane back up or all propane and a simple seer 16 Central AC.
@@edwardluth7740 Yikes, sorry to hear you had so many issues right out of the gate. Hopefully once they fix the heat strips you can get some reprieve! Most systems last 10 years before you start having to deal with repairs, unless there’s a few kinks that normally get worked out shortly after install. And yes energy prices everywhere have gone crazy, natural gas doubled or tripled in Denver this year! We don’t put in a ton of air handlers and if someone wants a heat pump mostly do dual fuel so that it doesn’t consume nearly as much electricity as those heat kits, since it’s natural gas plus whatever electricity you need for the blower motor (which doesn’t pull much power).
@@TheHVACDopeShow I finally got it fixed thankfully it was a smaller issue than what I originally thought and what I was told. The heat strip some wire was not working right. Anyway, I just can’t believe all the problems I’ve had with the system.
You didn't mention climate change that is happening faster than expected, costing millions from excessive prolonged heatwaves, increased torrential, monsoon like, flooding rain, and highly destructive forest fires more widespread than in living memory. The urgency to completely eliminate the use of fossil fuel ASAP should be mentioned and forget return on investment, we want the planet to be the same for out grandchildren as we have enjoyed. When you go out and buy that big gas guzzling SUV do you think about ROI, you buy it because you like it and want it. Why set a higher standard for purchasing HVAC equipment than for buying your transportation?
If you don’t change the source of power though electrification is a net neutral, it’s not better than natural gas in fact most electricity is still produced by coal. If you go solar you’re still going to have a thermal impact on the planet though because electricity produces heat… don’t buy into the agenda of the media they don’t talk about the facts. I’m all for heat pumps but it’s not as cut and dry as they make it sound… Talk to an engineer who understands this and they’ll tell you an electric car still releases 20-25 tons of heat in single discharge cycle through an exothermic reaction, but they play it like electric cars will solve the problem. Refrigerant is allegedly very bad for the planet too so more heat pumps = more refrigerant unfortunately lol… Black asphalt and concrete also provide a thermal mass so that cities stay warmer than they used to… 150 years ago Phoenix was an empty desert, now it’s 200 square miles of concrete / asphalt. That’s going to affect things obviously lol… everything else is propaganda, I don’t think carbon is causing all the change but people don’t want to talk about the truth because the fact is it has to do with population growth and so many other factors… Not carbon in the atmosphere. I’m an optimist I think we’ll figure it out, it’s just all part of our evolution as humans and part of the technological revolution.
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Im excited for my duel fuel system to be installed soon! I'm glad I went with this over pure electric since I'm in Colorado. Thanks for teaching me something new, I didn't know the furnace itself acted as the air handler. I ended up with a single stage heat pump and a 2-stage furnace with a variable blower. Replacing a 23 year old furnace with no current AC!
Would love to see a video reviewing the best dual fuel systems
I live in south Texas and the hvac companies I talked to said to replace with a furnace because NGS is just cheaper then electric rates, but I never pay more than $150 for electricity. Plus I know someone with a Daikin Fit that live in my area and loves his unit.
You're in Denver! Looks like I picked the right video to watch. I want a heat pump so bad! Mostly for some needed cooling in the summer. The swamp cooler just ain't doing the trick anymore.
Right on! Yeah I don’t blame you lol, it’s getting hot, btw if you live in Denver proper (city / county) there’s a few sizable heat pump rebates right now to take advantage of plus the state of Colorado tax credit is $1500
I love the honesty.
Thanks! And thanks for watching :)
Great video!! Best one on this topic I’ve come across by far.
Awesome thanks for watching!
I have a heat pump and a propane fueled furnace. My electric bill this month with AC via heat pump and it was $43.00 and most of that was connection fee. actual generated more electricty then consumed. 53 330 watt panels on the roof. Battery backup and a 24KW generator on the house. love it
That’s awesome! Yeah the connection fee is something most people don’t realize but that’s great, especially with skyrocketing gas prices recently.
Wait... so you paid a bill even though you created your own electricity and a surplus? Lol
I also have a dusk to dawn security light supplied by the electric supplier. So connection fee + light. @@TheHVACDopeShow
@@rorygillmore6555 sounds like it should be illegal does it? I have to pay a minimum $40 a month for my gas, even though I don't use any gas in 8 months of the year.
53?? Damn, you got a big roof
I did the Solar system work myself and got the gov 30% rebate so my cost was much lower around ($7K). I converted 2 propane gas hot water heaters to electric ($800 cost) and later converted the propane house heating to heat pump electric with the propane as emergency backup. (Propane is very expensive) The AC/heat units were 20 years old and had to be replaced anyways. I started saving $2200 a year on propane and let the solar do all the work. Electric bill was about $1400 + min a year now $270 a year which is just the monthly min. Saving $3600 a year paid for the solar in 2 years. The electric company gives me a credit at the end of the year for my overage to them. Last year I produced about 27 MW and the power company said I gave them 7 MW so they paid me whole sale price for the electric I gave them. My house is 3100 square feet with two hot water heaters and two 4 ton AC heat pumps and 3 shops with a total 6 tons of AC heat pumps. So my solar cost is configured for this load. I now use the excess Solar to charge the Mach E and that is saving me about $150 a month on gasoline at current prices ($3 a gallon). The Mach E is using less than 100 KW a month.
That's awesome! One of our customers mines bitcoin with the extra solar lol
Which solar system did you install?
Fronius inverters and mission solar panels@@oshanethompson7381
You are my hero!! This is a bigger-scale version of the kind if thing I want to do. What state do you live in? I'm wondering if I can get a similar deal from my power company, I know the rules around net metering vary greatly from state to state.
Texas @@JLittleBass
Heat pumps are the biggest scam in a long time. Most efficient is not most cost effective in cold climates. I’m glad you covered dual fuel because the people that get rid of their natural gas altogether almost always are regretting.
Yeah it’s definitely case by case…there’s not a one size fits all solution so we try not to approach it like that, appreciate your comment!
Agree. I ran the numbers. My ele is 14 cents a kWh, my gas is $7.5 a Gj. Working out the numbers for BTU and assuming an 80% efficient natural gas furnace, I'd need a cop of 4.1 for break even. If the gas furnace is 90% then need a cop of 4.7. During the start of the Ukraine war gas did peak up to $12.18 and that would have made a heat pump operational more efficient in my area. For a 90% furnace and a cop of 3.2 the gas price of $10.94GJ is the break even vs 14 cent ele. We have cheap ele and I imagine fairly standard gas prices - so it is hard to imagine a heat pump being operationally more efficient than a furnace. If you are replacing baseboard heaters - yes you'll be operationally more efficient. Thanks for the content !
Right on glad you enjoyed it!
I have a bosch IDS 2.0 and love it. We didnt get to do much heating with it. (I was a beneficiary of Mikey Pipes) The AC is excellent so is heat pump and dual fuel.
That's awesome to hear, we've had several viewers ask about these so I'll have to check them out and maybe put out a review
@@TheHVACDopeShow do it. They are excellent. I can’t say enough good things. If you want any photos or video of mine just ask. It’s hot af today and this weekend so it’ll be working. I have no prob sharing info with you.
Mikey fucking pipes!
Live in Boston and we only have heating oil and propane in our neighborhood, no natural gas lines. Home heating oil fluctuates between $3-$4/ gal and I use about 750 gallons a year.
I think I’m going with dual heating now with the oil furnace and these heat pumps.
I also have solar panels
Yeah that’s probably a good bet, at $2300-3000 a year you’re averaging 200-250$ a month so a heat pump will likely offset that especially with some solar to offset!
I live near Portland, OR and I hear they will be eliminating gas heat soon!!! I have a mini split in
My bedroom and love it!!
Wow I heard something about that, and That’s great to hear! Mini splits are great 😁 thanks for watching!
Good Info (especially since I live in CO)
Right on! Glad you found it helpful 😁
I have solar, heat pumps and a natural gas on-demand tankless water heater. We use the stored energy credits from our solar to power and heat our home in northern New England, plus charge an electric car. Our energy credits last about 10 months out of the year - If we didn't use the heat pumps for heat, the energy credits would easily last the whole year. Its been a great setup and the savings are huge. Saving $250 per month with the Tesla not paying for gas, saving $150 per month in electricity, including heating the house most of the winter. So highly recommend all 3 - solar panels, a Tesla, and natural gas on-demand water heater. Get at least 8kw of solar panels.
Right on thanks for the post!! That definitely sounds like a sweet deal and is working in your favor :)
I live in Boston and I have leased solar panels and home heating oil with a tankless water heater.
I’m going to go with dual fuel
Have home in the Pagosa Springs, CO area with existing propane in floor heating system and NO a/c for these 90 degree days. Due to the high cost of propane considering add[ng a heat pump (split unit) for the a/c and possible heating saving reducing propane use. Climate similar to Denver except maybe little colder would u recomend a heat pump ??
Yes! VRV Life or a multi port ductless option would work well since you likely don't have ductwork with your in floor heating I'm assuming? You could potentially put a ducted system in an attic or slim duct unit in a crawl space, just make sure they don't cut into your pipes if they're cutting in new registers!
Wood stove, for when I'm away from home multiple 12v vevor diesel heaters all paired to bureck cdh thermostat controller
Wood is heavy to carry but hard to beat! Diesel heaters look like a interesting portable setup, haven’t seen those before
Listen, the last time I smashed the 'subscribe' button I broke my laptop. I'll refrain from doing that again. ;-)
I have oil heat right now and am in an upstate New York climate. It can be up to $700/mo right now to heat my house so I’m definitely looking to replace the system. I don’t have city lines to my house so if I do propane I’d also have to rent the tank. I was also thinking about a heat pump. I’m not sure but either option seems like it will be way cheaper to run, especially with diesel prices not going down anytime soon.
Yikes, yes a dual fuel heat pump (propane furnace as backup) will probably be cheaper to run for sure… upstate New York is cold but at that monthly price you could probably run a cold climate heat pump for less than half that? I’d have to see your electric rates to know for sure but that’s very expensive, anything under .30 cents a kWh is probably about a 50% savings with most inverter heat pumps. This is assuming your insulation / windows / doors aren’t single pane and / or in very poor shape and in need of updating. Insulation is one of the best ways to reduce your bills and improve efficiency if your insulation is subpar
@@TheHVACDopeShow electric is extremely cheap here. We have a great nuclear power plant nearby. It’s $0.11/kWh where I live. I am going to get a consult done to see what else I can do in terms of insulation, windows, doors, etc.
Keep the oil and go dual fuel.
Bosch Heat Pumps are very efficient with inverter technology...Pair that with a high efficiency oil boiler and use a hydronic coil for your aux/Emerg. heat and you would be set
Upstate NY,, the heat pump bill would be expensive as hell.
First of all, well done on all the content - you're doing great things, please keep it going! :)
I would love your recommendation on path forward. We live in Centennial, and we currently have a 3.5 ton, ~ 10 SEER AC unit that is ~27 yrs old, and a 6 yr old 96% Amanda variable speed fan 2 stage furnace (AMVC961005CN) , and a Nest thermostat, and an Aprilaire bypass humidifier (configured to trip blower when humidity is below setpoint). We plan on staying in the home 10 yr +
We will be getting solar installed this summer, and given some of the rebates & tax credits offered, thought it would make sense to replace the AC unit with a heat pump.
Our current concerns are expensive/inefficient AC unit, rising costs of heating costs, noisy fan (on the inside of home while running), and poor humidity.
I've seen most of your videos, and considering if the Daikin Fit enhanced and a dual fuel setup would be a good solution... though I'm not sure if it could work with the existing furnace & blower (since it would be a shame to scrap a 6 yr old high efficiency unit). What solutions would you recommend with the cost, and efficiency considerations in this situation? Or would we need a whole new heat pump + Daikin furnace, communicating setup to capture the efficiency of the variable nature of the inverter technology?
Thinking it would also make sense to go with the Aprilaire 800 steam unit while doing the upgrade (thanks for the video).
Many thanks - love the channel.
Right on my pleasure! I believe the Amana version of the fit actually pairs with that furnace, if you’re having airflow issues (you mentioned air noise?) that’s something that can be adjusted via the blower settings. If you’d like us to take a look you mentioned centennial , as in Colorado? Happy to take a look because although we don’t sell Amana because we sell Daikin, the Amana might pair and we could get you a referral. Just want to make sure that system is sized right for the ductwork and if not we can turn down the blower to account for the airflow concerns. If the Amana system you have doesn’t pair with their inverter option I’d consider a Mitsubishi intelliheat
Can you explain more on when the furnace would be triggered to start heating? Is this something automatic or something you can configure (eg: if the outdoor temperature is below 0C/32F, furnace will also start heating)
It’s something you configure. Normally when the COP drops below efficient set point so on most systems around 0-10F depending on the heat pump. Cold climate heat pumps have a minimum COP of 1.75 at 5F and 75% capacity minimum as well, so most cold climate heat pumps are great into single digit lows depending how it’s sized. In Colorado we normally end up sizing them to cut out between 0-15F depending on the design conditions and load on the space because we primarily size for ductwork constraints and cooling load which is always lower than heating load.
wonderful and thank you for informative Video.
I am planning to replace single zone 21 year old HVAC with furnace. Would you recommend dual fuel and also dual zone, one for first and another for Second floor.
Thanks! It’s Hard to answer without a little more information, depends on your region and if you have an existing furnace now for the main floor? If you just want some additional comfort upstairs a VRF / VRV life system which can add a second head unit or something upstairs is a good option, but it depends what you’re trying to accomplish and your existing infrastructure.
Do you by chance have the estimated "dollar amount" for using a heat pump (on electricity) vs Furnace (on natural gas) to warm up the house to 23 degrees cely from an outside temperature of -5 degrees Celsius in a hypothetical 24-hours period in Ottawa? Assumptions is that the Heat Pump is 3Tons, and the house is newly built air tight of approximately 3000 square ft.
Not really you need more information, I break this down in a video about calculated breakeven COP but it’s kind of complex and varies by electric and gas rates and heat pump efficiency
Alberta, Sask and Manitoba can be -30C, -40C and -50C for weeks, Let alone winter starts Oct and ends middle of May, I'd have to say power consumption would be through the roof costing thousands a month$$. Would like to hear from someone that is actually using these in these provinces in Canada
You won't. The 'best' we have in Ontario is geothermal but it just blows cold air through ducts. I burn wood, have a gas furnace as a back up.
Yeah geothermal at those temps
Great video! So to clarify your office (and personal home) are using dual heat with a furnace and VRV system since it gets cold in Denver but if this were Arizona the VRV would only need an air handler (no extra heat)? I am in Provo, we have similar weather but lowest temp this season was maybe 19 degrees. Do you need to use an air handler or furnace with the VRV system to achieve comfort zoning (lets say heat the basement but cool the upstairs at the same time)? Also, are the wall or ceiling cassettes then ducted opposed to “ductless” or can you do either (ducted or ductless) with an air handler or furnace? I’m just confused with the furnace/ air handler component since Im used to seeing a ductless mini-split not going through these. I like the idea of this though since it appears you are also running this system through a humidifier (I’m looking at your background system in the intro). Thanks!
For cooling in one zone and heating in the other on the same condenser you technically need a 3 pipe system which is normally commercial / set up for hotels for example. And yes we use a duel fuel VRV in our Home and Office, and in Arizona you could probably get away with a Daikin Fit Heat pump without an emergency heat kit/furnace because the heat pump will always keep up... If the weather doesn't drop below 0 typically your heat pump will keep running just fine. Ours ran fine this past winter down to -8 F!
The way this country has been run for last 25 years you can tell with 100 percent certainty that the price of gas and electricity would go only up and I choose to install all electric heat pump system so I could add solar panels to it later , but you did not mention that heat pump may not be able to provide sufficient comfort in drafty hoses
For sure, if it's drafty just sealing up windows / doors / cracks etc. and blow in insulation in the attic can make a huge difference (weather stripping etc.)
@The HVAC Dope Show How well would a heat pump pair with a boiler/hot water baseboard system? Mine runs on gas. I'm in Southern Colorado. Lots of boilers here. I know nothing about heat pumps. Would they still send hot water through my existing baseboards, or would it require a whole new system?
Head units or ductwork. They also have “cassettes”, if you google Mitsubishi or Daikin cassette you’ll see what I’m referencing but it’s basically a mini split / ductless heat pump variation. We have a lot of boiler customers and that’s what we install in their homes since they don’t have ductwork. Technically they make a water source heat pump that can replace a small residential boiler but I don’t have access to them or sell them. Outside of commercial applications those (water source heat pumps / residential) are more common in Europe
Just replacing a gas or electric hot water heater with a heat pump is simple enough. When you want to use a heat pump for space heating it gets a lot more complicated because the water being pumped around is (usually) not as hot. So you need new, bigger radiators. If you want to use a single pump for hot water and for space heating then it will be a nightmare! You need to find a qualified heating engineer to design you a solution for your house. You're not going to get answers from this or any other you-tube channel.
There are a lot of people doing the same thing as you are contemplating, in the UK. There, the typical space heating is by hot water pumped from a gas boiler round baseboard radiators. Go and look at Heat Geeks or Skill Builder channels and see the failed attempts to make Heat Pumps work for space heating. There are a lot of cowboys in the game over there and it will be the same in the US as the government starts pushing out money to make people interested in heat pumps. Be warned, Kimberly
What do you recommend for the Sacramento California area, either a heat pump or a furnace? I existingly have a furnace and AC. We hardly get freezing here, but it gets hot in summer. Thanks
Our go to is the Daikin fit and honestly Daikin fit heat pump would be great if you’re wanting to make the switch if you’re considering adding solar. Electric rates can be much higher in California so I’d just pay attention to how much you use it and the heat pump vs. furnace bill to run. Comfort though a inverter heat pump is so quiet and comfortable because of modulation so if you are wanting a comfort option I’d lean towards a Daikin fit
Can you install a heat pump next to or on top of an existing gas furnace?
Yes! They’re called dual fuel systems
Yep!
@TheHVACDopeShow Is it okay for a SINGLE stage furnace be paired with an inverter heat pump? Does it loose significant efficiency when compared to a variable stage air handler/furnace? I am in PNW area and our furnace (80%) is only 4 year old.
You lose a little but only based on the parameters of your system (meaning single stage blower motor is what is reducing your overall SEER or HSPF rating) because that’s what’s paired with the system. You could put in a Mitsubishi intelliheat, or any of the Bosch systems and it will work without having to replace your furnace.
Can't forget about oil heat
True we just don’t have experience with it in Co, mostly LP or NG
Thanks for the informative video! Is it possible to add a heat pump and coil to an existing electric furnace? It would be like a dual fuel system in that the electric furnace would be the back up heat. Not a true dual fuel system as there is only electricity involved.
Yes it is as long as the electric furnace has a control board that can handle it. Worst case you can use relays to create the control logic for heat pump vs. electric but most air handlers are set up with an electric heat kit so it’s the same concept. Also if you replace that electric furnace with a heat pump / air handler combo the nice thing is the new electric heat kit can be sized to work with your existing electrical circuit
Thanks! I really needed an unbiased opinion. Contractors that cannot work with Hydro rebate program here are telling me this is a good alternative to replacing my electric furnace with a heat pump. Contractors that work with the Hydro rebate program are telling me this won’t work and then quote me over $20000 for a new heat pump to replace my electric furnace. Thanks for the video presenting options. Everyone’s situation is different.
I have an old boiler that keeps needing parts and a hot water tank that needs to be replaced. My oil tank is 30 years old and in my basement. I’m thinking the oil tank should be replaced? I have a Heat pump also. I live in a Northeast climate.
I’m thinking of switching to a heat pump hot water heater. We don’t use the boiler much for heat unless it gets really cold for 1 month in the middle of winter.
Can I do without the boiler if it breaks down if I have a heat pump hot water tank?
Could I just have electric heat as backup during that colder month in the winter? I understand I need a second source of heat besides the heat pump. But I’m trying to plan ahead for when I need a new boiler in a few years.
The cost to replace the boiler is crazy if we only use it one month a year.
Backup electric would be fine if you’re only using it one month a year, it will be more to heat than the heat pump obviously but oil boilers are expensive to run too so it’s probably not that far off.
@@TheHVACDopeShow Thank you!
Hello, I’m building a new home in the Salt Lake area and considering a ground source heat pump, and they are EXPENSIVE. Could I hire you for a couple hours to be my consultant to help make this decision?
Right on thanks for reaching out, we’re actually going to start a call in show soon so no charge and I’m sure anyone looking into ground loop geothermal would be interested in the content and find it helpful… but we actually don’t do ground loops / ground source heat pumps (you’re referencing geothermal correct?) so I don’t know that I’m the best reference. I can ask around and see if I can get a few referrals in Salt lake though to get you someone reputable. I know everything has gotten very expensive recently in general / construction costs, but things are starting to come down a little bit (raw materials have gotten expensive), but running geothermal / ground loops has always been an expensive proposition. I just know from what I’ve heard the most important thing is to get the loop done properly / sized properly so you don’t have issues. Let me see what I can find for you as far as a solid referral in your area
Would you recommend the same idea to a person in New York?
Upstate? Or what part? I guess it depends on the climate I’m not as familiar with NY… dual fuel can help hedge against energy price fluctuations too so you can swap between the two sources of heat as needed depending on what’s more efficient but your heat pump will always be efficient as an AC
@TheHVACDopeShow not one particular part of New York, but if you are living in the state of New York, which does get cold depending on how cold it is but would you still recommend it
Perfect climate for Dual Fuel setups are where you know it will get cold enough that the heat pump won't keep up (like -10 or colder), then you have a backup furnace for these scenarios. This is why they're popular in Colorado because 99% of the time the heat pump can run (we have a lot of sun here so people install solar panels which further makes running the heat pump cheaper to operate as well. If electricity was a lot more expensive though it might be better to use a furnace. It really depends I'd look at your bill and see how much your gas costs are to really calculate if it's worth it.
In Canada there is so much pressure to get off fossil fuels and of course there is very little reliable and honest information. This is one of the first times I have heard of duel systems. You would think our government would be prepared with good information but sadly there are few companies that have enough experience and know how to install the right type of system and have it not cost more to run than the old fossil fuel system.
I have an electric heat pump and electric back up furnace for 22 years in Quebec, you have to do your research dude, the hydro co can come to your house an evaluate.
This is the first real information I’m coming across after getting 3 different quotes last year that were all completely different recommended systems ranging from 35k up to 60k. I knew nothing then so we decided to wait since the prices were coming in so high but we are getting ready to get another 3 quotes soon because our current Sears furnace with baseboard heating is running on borrowed time. We just bought this house a year ago and plan on living here a long time it has solar panels, which I need to find out more information on because we don’t own it unfortunately. We definitely want ducted airflow, and know that will bring the price up a lot. It’s a two-story house in Boston Massachusetts. The attic hatch is very small to get a unit up in there, but we could totally widen it up. I’m just now learning about going all electric and getting hyped for it but realistically, I need to do a ton more research to get the right set up and more similar quotes… Thank you guys for the video and comments any recommendations would be greatly appreciated with my research journey! 😅
Great, informative video, but does this guy speak with his hands or what? He could work at DIA (Denver Int. Airport) waving his arms directing planes from the tarmac. LOL. Thanks for the info.
Lol totally... probably can tone it down a little :)
The air conditioning is great but the heating sucks on a heat pump. Instead of blazing heat like a gas furnace that gets the temperature up faster and doesn't run as long. It comes out lukewarm, so the unit runs way longer and doesn't get up the temp very Well. There's supposed to maintain the temperature. But I don't see that from what i've been using. I got a douglas heat system for air conditioning and I have a gas furnace. Is the power bill isn't too bad. But you just don't get the temperature of warmth to the touch on a heat pump. When you're cold after being outside eight hours. A duckless won't warm the bones like a gas furnace will. 122 ⁰F from the heat pump. 245⁰F comes from the Gas furnace. Environmentally smart is gas. 43% less energy use then electric. A/C is fabulous 👌 but heat cycle not impressed
There is some truth to what you’re saying but I don’t see a 245F supply temp on any furnace ever, normally we see a 75 degree delta T tops but this varies by manufacturer. Depending on the heat pump you are correct but that’s why we opt for high efficiency low ambient heat pumps. The only time you’ll notice it’s a heat pump (on the good ones) is on the coldest nights if you just got back from out of town and the house was set at 55 or something while you were out of town.
@TheHVACDopeShow my Goodman Gas furnace puts out 245⁰F on the nearest heat register to the furnace. Stings your skin to the touch. Very cheap to operate and 97% efficiency 2 stage furnace
Why do you focus so much on the heating aspect of these units and gloss over the cooling capabilities. I live in the southwest part of the country where winters tend to run in the low 40s with occasional dips to the mid to high 30s. In the summer time temperatures range from 80s to 100-110 or so. Currently I use a gas furnace and AC unit both of which are approximately 12+ years old. I want to consider options like the heat pump as a potential replacement for my furnace and AC units. It’s unlikely I would be moving out in the next 5 years. Your thoughts?
It’s just the topic of this video I can’t cover all topics in all videos, we have a lot of cooling geared videos coming out but heat pump with no backup heat is fine in the southwest. For example in your climate of 110f and heating at 30-40F you could use a Daikin fit enhanced with 120v air handler and really minimize your install cost
And it will work well 😁
Thanks
Ok, so if I currently have a gas furnace that uses ducts, and I get a dual fuel heat system, will it be able to use my existing ducts?
Yes definitely
The only caveat is if you currently don’t have air conditioning you need to make sure the ductwork is large enough for the needed airflow for the system size needed for your home. Great question!
@@TheHVACDopeShowOk, great, thanks! So, how do I figure that out? Also, I've heard elsewhere that retrofitting a heat pump onto a gas furnace would cost something like $15k, mostly for the labor. Is that accurate?
Are heat pumps effective in more extreme cold? Temperatures of -20F to -40F are common here for much of the winter. My natural gas is cheap and my hydro rates are quite inexpensive as well.
Some heat pumps will maintain capacity as low as -20 / -30F, so yes they can be viable solutions but ducted heat pumps are sized for the ductwork as well, so dual fuel is a good option for since you’ll have a backup source for those very cold nights. We’re doing a review on an ACiq product that has low ambient ratings to -22F it maintains 100% capacity. I’ve heard gree flex can keep up into the -20’s and -30’s as well
I recently purchased a 3200 sqft home in Las Vegas with a 4 ton and 3 ton HVAC gas system.
I want to replace and plan on adding solar panels.
Would you recommend heat pump or dual fuel ? or same?
Las Vegas doesn’t get cold enough to need dual fuel. Any inverter heat pump that does well in high ambient conditions will provide the biggest savings, if paired with solar in the future this is especially true.
Bolth if you want a heat pump. Heat pumps only work so low. Air handler with expencave heat strips are not ever going to be as good as a gas fired furnace as your air handler.
I am also in Michigan
I agree, dual fuel is a great option for climates like yours. Most low ambient heat pumps will keep up down to 0 our even -10F and the backup furnace keeps you warm for the cold snaps. I have family in Michigan, it gets cold!!
Dual fuel. Not duel, unless you intend they should fight it out.
Lol I know 😬 I saw the typos… try to catch them all but only so much time in the day, so sometimes we just let it slide
We ain’t got no natural guess out here in the boonies.
Heat pumps probably a good call then, so you can use propane sparingly!
Interesting video, but your hands are a distraction.
The TH-camrs say it increases engagement 😂 but I’ve toned it down since this one 👍
gas furnace is better
This comment reminds me of the Billy Madison scene when the conditioner and shampoo fight about who’s better
I just burn wood. It's free and good exercise. No reputable company would even think of selling a heat pump where I live. Not sure why people think using coal powered electricity to heat their home is good for the environment....
I agree we could all use a little more exercise haha not a bad angle!
@@TheHVACDopeShow It's a bit of work but me and my boys cut and split around 60 metric tonnes of dead white ash trees every year. We have heat with or without electricity. Also cook on the fireplace, passively.
Only 19.7% of electricity in the US is produced by coal. 21.3% comes from renewables.
Bc many plants don’t power themselves purely using coal. So, you’re also using renewables by using a heat pump, and hope is power plants transition to renewables and therefore the heat pump would be fueled solely by renewables. Unlike a gas furnace which is 100% fossil fuels.
@@fiammalujan5073 I burn wood. Dead trees from the bush. More trees grow. Trees like the CO2 from burning dead trees.
I hate my Trane heat pump. I bought a Trane seer, 14 heat pump back in 2007 whenever I built my new home and electric heat strips and exactly 10 years later the compressor broke. So I replaced the whole system except for the lines which they cleaned out and installed a Trane Xi 18 variable speed, heat pump and Tam 7 seven air handler. I have had nothing but problems with it since being new in 2017. I will never buy another heat pump again. Plus electricity prices in the Midwest have skyrocketed. Thanks for that rotten Biden and that stinking commie green crap. So I am going to buy a good gas furnace and not real high efficiency because they’re not worth it but a good one and a simple, central air conditioner, seer 16 and no more. It will not be Trane. I have heard that Amana or Dakin do very well.
Yikes I’m sorry to hear that! Have you had any second opinions on the install? Sometimes the communication systems are very particular on how they get installed and if something is missed can cause issues. Something as simple as thermostat wire type or wiring connections at the board etc. can cause issues. Does it already need replacement again after only 5 years?
@@TheHVACDopeShow The install was good according to 3 different HVAC technicians. The heat strips are out. That’s the culprit according to a local tech.
@@TheHVACDopeShow So I have another expert coming today to give me a final recommendation. I will not buy a Trane. I will go Propane back up or all propane and a simple seer 16 Central AC.
@@edwardluth7740 Yikes, sorry to hear you had so many issues right out of the gate. Hopefully once they fix the heat strips you can get some reprieve! Most systems last 10 years before you start having to deal with repairs, unless there’s a few kinks that normally get worked out shortly after install. And yes energy prices everywhere have gone crazy, natural gas doubled or tripled in Denver this year! We don’t put in a ton of air handlers and if someone wants a heat pump mostly do dual fuel so that it doesn’t consume nearly as much electricity as those heat kits, since it’s natural gas plus whatever electricity you need for the blower motor (which doesn’t pull much power).
@@TheHVACDopeShow I finally got it fixed thankfully it was a smaller issue than what I originally thought and what I was told. The heat strip some wire was not working right. Anyway, I just can’t believe all the problems I’ve had with the system.
You didn't mention climate change that is happening faster than expected, costing millions from excessive prolonged heatwaves, increased torrential, monsoon like, flooding rain, and highly destructive forest fires more widespread than in living memory. The urgency to completely eliminate the use of fossil fuel ASAP should be mentioned and forget return on investment, we want the planet to be the same for out grandchildren as we have enjoyed. When you go out and buy that big gas guzzling SUV do you think about ROI, you buy it because you like it and want it. Why set a higher standard for purchasing HVAC equipment than for buying your transportation?
If you don’t change the source of power though electrification is a net neutral, it’s not better than natural gas in fact most electricity is still produced by coal. If you go solar you’re still going to have a thermal impact on the planet though because electricity produces heat… don’t buy into the agenda of the media they don’t talk about the facts. I’m all for heat pumps but it’s not as cut and dry as they make it sound… Talk to an engineer who understands this and they’ll tell you an electric car still releases 20-25 tons of heat in single discharge cycle through an exothermic reaction, but they play it like electric cars will solve the problem. Refrigerant is allegedly very bad for the planet too so more heat pumps = more refrigerant unfortunately lol… Black asphalt and concrete also provide a thermal mass so that cities stay warmer than they used to… 150 years ago Phoenix was an empty desert, now it’s 200 square miles of concrete / asphalt. That’s going to affect things obviously lol… everything else is propaganda, I don’t think carbon is causing all the change but people don’t want to talk about the truth because the fact is it has to do with population growth and so many other factors… Not carbon in the atmosphere. I’m an optimist I think we’ll figure it out, it’s just all part of our evolution as humans and part of the technological revolution.
NPC meme personified. I hope you're a troll.
COMFORT = at what cold tempeture JUST go electric