I find it difficult to compare skiers from different eras. The material has changed and evolved. Slope preparation is currently different and is also difficult to compare. There is no question that there have been many outstanding personalities who have inspired many people through skiing. They had a charisma that was not only defined by fame and success.
uno che mette kjus e aamodt davanti a tomba dovrebbe cambiare spacciatore. concordo su girardelli, thöni e pirmin. Siccome fare la top10 è veramente difficile io mi atterrei semplicemente al numero di vittorie totale (cdm, mondiali e olimpiadi). resta il fatto che se alberto avesse avuto la testa di un hirscher o di uno stenmark li avrebbe asfaltati tutti.
I'm from the Netherlands so I have no dog in this fight but Aamodt's combined career total of twenty World Championship and Olympic medals is an all-time best. He is the second-youngest male alpine skier to win an Olympic gold medal (age 20 in 1992; Toni Sailer was two months younger in 1956). Until 2014, he was also the oldest alpine skier to win an Olympic gold medal. For almost six years, Aamodt led the all-time Marathon World Cup ranking, with a total of 13,252 points. By winning the super-G race at the 2006 Olympics, Aamodt became the first male alpine skier to win four gold medals in the Olympics. If you win the world championship in any sport your considered the best, and all the rest of the world cares about is the Olympics. Aamodt exceeded in both AND he mastered the whole mountain, skiing every alpine discipline, that you don't see today. I think it's safe to say that Aamodt deserves his position. Btw, Ingmar Stenmark has repeatedly shared his admiration for Aamodt - and visa versa.
Very shocked five time overall WC champion Marc Giradelli did not make the list. Same with four time overall champ Pirmin Zurbriggen. In addition to being second and third, respectively, in number of overall World Cup titles, both were great all-around skiers, with wins in every Alpine discipline over the course of their careers (with the exception of Parallel, which was not run during their careers). None of the other Men who have won at least three World Cup titles have won in every event that was competed in their careers. Hirscher, in the lead with 8 titles, never won a downhill or combined event. Gustav Theoni, tied third with Zurbriggen, never won a downhill. Phil Mahre and Stenmark, both tied with three titles, never won downhills or super-G (super-G being added as an event right near the end of their careers).
Just posted my comment with the exactly same thoughts and found yours. Zurbriggen was something like Pete Sampras of tennis, not including him is a very odd choice and for me personally an offense. The same goes for arguably the most versatile skier of all time Marc Girardelli. All skiers in the list are amazing, but these two giants simply must not be omitted.
Ingemar Stenmark. What a legend. The whole country of Sweden stopped for a while every time he raced. The way he managed to tackle the most difficult surfaces and courses in his very characteristic panther like style actually gave us goosebumps. Really miss these years of top alpine racing. Thanks.
What about Pirmin Zurbriggen with 89 podiums, his world champion titles, his Olympic gold medal and all the big globe trophies for wining the overall world cup ranking quite a few times?
Stenmark is on a level of his own. From an era when the World Cup compared to today, was the wild west. They changed just about every rule to slow him down. An absolute icon.
I understand not including active athletes completely because it will likely make the video outdated immediately, but Zurbriggen is an absolute necessity
Lasse Kjus did something I don't think will be repeated ever in alpine skiing. In the Vail world championship in 99, he got a medal in all 5 events. 3 silver and 2 gold medals. Gold in Super G and Giant slalom, silver in the downhill, combined and slalom. Still can't believe he pulled that off....;-)
If Hermann hadnt have his motorcycle accident, he would have been on the first place similar to stenmark or even better. He was such an extraordinary skier.
Based on ski-db stats and who i feel were the best overall during their career. Taking into account age, comebacks, etc. Yes, Girardelli and zurbriggen should be there. But you can still argue for the other ones on this list
I saw Stenmark ski in the East Coast swing in 1978, unfingbeliavable! Absolutely the GOAT. As most of you know and have stated, ski technology has got to be taken into account.
Top 10 All Time lists are tough to compile because there's always disagreement about why somebody or another isn't on the list. But there's usually not much disagreement when it comes to the very top of the list, e.g. who's the greatest, who's the GOAT. Alpine skiing ... Ingemar Stenmark.
A interesting list with a lot of norwegian touch.... I clearly miss on this list Marc Girardelli, Pirmin Zurbriggen, Gustavo Thöni, Toni Sailer and Marco Odermatt !
What about Austrian Toni Sailer? He won all the alpine events (Downhill, GS, Slalom) by HUGE margins in the 1956 Olympics (much greater margins of victory than Killy in 1968). I was fortunate enough to get his autograph when he visited Ottawa in 1964.
Such Rock solid technique...not just as a racer but overall...good for anywhere, and all conditions on the mountain, not just in the gates. Phil Mahre too. You can see this solid technique carried over onto other terrain by Scott Schmidt.
@@sprintn918 there are many who learned that way. I skied with Frank Worndl. Racer with fine success but bit of a wasted genius. If it wasn’t against the clock he was just playing the ground, like a dance kinda Art.
Who did this ranking? Did he ever watch ski competitions for the past 40 years?Aside from Stenmark, Klammer and Killy, you are totally off my friend...
I would agree that Stenmark is the GOAT but also remember he battled the Mahre brothers. There was also Marc Girardelli, Pirmin Zurbriggen, and where's Gustavo Thoeni who later coached Alberto Tomba?
Can you justify why Gustav Thoeni or Karl Schranz not? Thoeni won World Cups in 71, 72, 73 and 75 ( dramatic finish against Stenmark). Won also 3 Olympic medals an 7 World championship medals, of this 5 gold. His technical skill in GS and GSL was superb for his time. Probably you are to young to evaluate that.
Bode Miller was often spectacular, but far from good enough for such a list. Pirmin Zurbriggen was one of the most complete alpine skier of all times. I think he is still, and always will be, the only one to ever win a WC SL and downhill race in the same week.
Bode miller may not have the raw numbers but at his peak he was the most complete male skier ever. He’s still the only one to have at least 5 wins in every discipline. And it’s a shame he hasn’t won more races overall
my brother and I were competing at park city long ago in a FIS sanctioned SL ,GS. we were watching a skier coming down towards the starting hut for the GS and remarked how good he was skiing with a different style but we thought he could maybe win the race. to our astonishment it was Stein Erickson coming to fore- run the race. he had won a olympic gold medal in GS way back in the 1950's. !! and still carving rock solid turns. the best racers had just come back from WC races placing in the top 10.
Hirscher should obviously be #1 or #2. Also, Zurbriggen and Girardelli should both make the list, perhaps even top five. Apart from that, not too shabby. Odermatt could be in the top ten after this season IMO.
I think he is right. Otherwise call it the greatest downhiller or slalom or GS skier. A great Alpine skier should be able to do it in all the disciplines.
Zurbriggen and Giardelli not being on here is ridiculous and having Bide at number 10 is also…..he completely and single handedly changed the line and technical approach with equipment to the sport
Weird that Aamodt and Kjus get so much flak. Clearly the most versatile/complete alpinists on this lists, which otherwise consist mostly of specialists(hence they won overall WC many times, most-winning olympians of all time etc)
Totally agree. And Aamodt got by far most top10s ever, and there's more races now too. Superb overall and really impacted the sport. Especially in olympics and wc
What are the arguments to rank this way? Number of victories? Zurbriggen (won in all disciplines), Cuche (record of victories in Kitzbuehl), Girardelli? It seems that this ranking is based on subjectivity. Fine for me, but change the title of the video then.
Was this list made by a Norwegian? I am Norwegian and i have to say that Pirmin should be in the top five on this list! No discussion. Girardelli top ten aswell. Kudos, though for putting Lasse Kjus up there. He competed in all events in Vail 1999 and made it top two in every event. Had a lot of health problems ruining many seasons but had a ‘feeling’ that is hard to describe. (Both Kjus and Aamodt have no doubt Stenmark was the greatest ever, btw). I am to young to know about Killy and Thoeni.. Interesting discussion, though! I bet Odermatt will be remembered as one of the greats! Peace from Norway✌️
Nice list, but Tomba's record is inaccurate. He won three Olympic gold medals, two World Championships, four World Cup titles in slalom, four in giant slalom, and one overall World Cup title.
Hermann Maier hat im gegensatz zu Stenmark "drei" disziplininen dominiert. Ohne seinen unfall hätte er alle rekorde gebrochen. Wenn es rein nach skifahrerischem herzblut geht , ist Hermann Maier unübertroffen !!!. Ein racer, ein sportsmann, eine wucht. Wenn der aus dem starthaus war, hast du dich nur gefragt welchen abstand er heraus fahren wird. So ein ähnliches gefühl hatte ich bei Marcel, und jetzt auch bei Marco Odermatt.
Establecer una lista así sin Toni Sailer, es como proponer una lista de la historia del Rock 'n Roll without Elvis Presley.La primera super-estrella del esquí hasta en lo mediático. Sin esta figura en Kitzbühel seguirían cantando el Erzherzog-Johann-Jodler y poca cosa más. Uno tiene que ser muy grande para elevar un poblucho tirolés, cuya montaña más alta no roza ni los 2000mts, a la Meca del esquí con una pijería detrás como Monte Carlo y Marbella.
Interesting subject. Of the three Norwegian included, only Svindal clearly belongs. The other two (Lasse Kjus and Aamodt) are clearly Norwegian homer choices. The glaring omission is Pirmin Zurbriggen. Toni Seiler from the 1950s is from an era impossible to truly consider within modern skiing.
Killy was the greatest skier of the classic era (3 gold olympic medals in 1968 out of 3 races : slalom, giant. downhill) Then it was obviously Stenmark and Maier, and then so many great champions like Girardelli, Thoeni, Zurbriggen etc...the list is incredible. and yes its very difficult to compare as the material and technique has changed a lot
Such classifications are perforce arbitrary, but this one is extravagant. I argue the label greatest *skiers* (not downhill or technical specialists) should be for the few ones who won races in all the disciplines. My own number 1 among those few, is Zurbriggen. Girardelli won one more Cup because he was active longer, but Zurbriggen had the sheer class that left you in awe. Bode Miller is close, with Thoeni and very few others.
Aamodt in 2nd place is not right: he was very good in single important events like Olympic Games, but very few Worldcup victories. Aamodt, Kjus and Klammer above Tomba: no! Where is Zurbriggen?
There are too many great all-rounders to include Klammer. Even he later admitted he mostly won on aggression over technical skill. Once really strong technical downhillers like Podborski and younger Austrians appeared he wasn't competitive. It's ridiculous that Shiffrin isn't on this list.
@@dansprague2Klammer was extremely dominant for three seasons, winning once 10 downhills in a row, often with a lead of one or two seconds. He lost dominance not for technical reasons but psychology, first time after the grave accident of his brother. Among ten skiers I would always include Klammer.
Probably should reflect that in the title of the video! This is your take on Top 10 Male Alpine Skiers, but I would argue that Vonn & Shriffin have to be on a list of Top 10 Alpine Skiers that is non-specific to sex @@speedkingz
@@arroe8386 On the women's side it is easy for an outside country (CAN, USA, NZ, SVK, POL, CZE, CRO) to finish in the top 10 standings of a discipline but for the men very, very difficult. How are two female American skiers (Vonn and Shiffrin) the GOAT? When the USA men are so weak? In USA for every 100 super excellent recreational male skiers there are around 8 super excellent recreational female skiers. Skiing for men is way more popular at the highest levels and yet the USA men can't compete in FIS World Cup. In 2022/23 there were 11.6 million active skiers/snowboarders in the USA. That's more than the entire population of AUT. Lol!
I would certainly put Zurbriggen and Girardelli on my top ten. The battle of dh vs slalom or gs will go on forever. The combined discipline never worked that out. Stenmark is totally ok as numero uno, Hirscher is my nr 2 and Maier no 3. But then again, we all know that Shiffrin is the boss.
As for norwegians on a top ten list, Aamodt is the one and only. So far. He was a fuckin beautiful skier to watch. Braathen will end up as one of the top ten, hopefully.
I have a results based rating that counts only world cup results - an not, like ski-db, olympics and world championships, trying to make the incomparable comparable. According to this, the most accomplished male skiers to date are: 1 Ingemar Stenmark SWE 2 Marcel Hirscher AUT 3 Marc Girardelli LUX 4 Pirmin Zurbriggen SUI 5 Hermann Maier AUT 6 Aksel-Lund Svindal NOR 7 Gustav Thoeni ITA 7 Alberto Tomba ITA 9 Benjamin Raich AUT 10 Stephan Eberharter AUT Franz Klammer is not in the top 20 as he did only downhill, however, as the best downhiller ever, he deserves an honorable mention. Marco Odermatt will be in the top 10 in a couple of years if he continues to ski like this. Henrik Kristoffersen is also close to the top 10. The best Americans are Phil Mahre and Bode Miller as ## 14/15 respectively. The top 10 women as of today are: 1 Annemarie Moser Proell AUT 2 Lindsey C. Vonn USA 3 Mikaela Shiffrin USA (active) 4 Vreni Schneider SUI 5 Katja Seizinger GER 6 Renate Goetschl AUT 7 Hanni Wenzel LIE 8 Anja Paerson SWE 9 Maria Riesch GER 10 Erika Hess SUI Hence Shiffrin isn't #1 yet, but the top 3 are very close and Shiffrin likely will be #1 by the end of this season. Lara Gut and Petra Vlhova have good chances to end their careers in the top 10.
Top 5 Downhillers: 1 Franz Klammer AUT 2 Beat Feuz SUI 3 Peter Mueller SUI 4 Didier Cuche SUI 5 Michael Walchhofer AUT 1 Lindsey C. Vonn USA 2 Annemarie Moser Proell AUT 3 Renate Goetschl AUT 4 Katja Seizinger GER 5 Sofia Goggia ITA (active)
Top 5 Super G: 1 Pirmin Zurbriggen SUI 2 Hermann Maier AUT 3 Aksel-Lund Svindal NOR 4 Kjetil Jansrud NOR 5 Stephan Eberharter AUT 1 Katja Seizinger GER 1 Lindsey C. Vonn USA 3 Lara Gut SUI (active) 4 Renate Goetschl AUT 5 Carole Merle FRA
Top 5 Giant Slalom: 1 Ingemar Stenmark SWE 2 Marcel Hirscher AUT 3 Ted Ligety USA 4 Michael Von Gruenigen SUI 5 Alberto Tomba ITA 1 Vreni Schneider SUI 2 Anja Paerson SWE 2 Anita Wachter AUT 4 Annemarie Moser Proell AUT 5 Mikaela Shiffrin USA (active)
Top 5 Slalom: 1 Ingemar Stenmark SWE 2 Marcel Hirscher AUT 3 Alberto Tomba ITA 4 Henrik Kristoffersen NOR (active) 5 Ivica Kostelic CRO 1 Mikaela Shiffrin USA (active) 2 Vreni Schneider SUI 3 Marlies Schild AUT 4 Erika Hess SUI 5 Pernilla Wiberg SWE
Top 5 Allrounders (score in the overall World Cup is relatively higher than the score in individual disciplines. One misses out on some great skiers if one ignores this category) 1 Marc Girardelli LUX 2 Kjetil Andre Aamodt NOR 3 Gustav Thoeni ITA 4 Phil Mahre USA 5 Andreas Wenzel LIE 1 Hanni Wenzel LIE 2 Annemarie Moser Proell AUT 3 Janica Kostelic CRO 4 Petra Kronberger AUT 5 Brigitte Oertli SUI 5 Anja Paerson SWE
Only Marcel Hirscher is the best. The guy won the World Cup 8 times, was a multiple world champion and a 2-time Olympic champion. What more could you want.
To create such a list, clear objective criteria are needed: time period that is counted, number of victories in the overall World Cup, number of overall victories in discipline World Cups, number of World Cup victories per discipline, number of World Cup and Olympic medals per discipline, outstanding performances in one discipline, outstanding performances overall in each discipline. This list should definitely include all World Cup riders who have won at least one race in ALL individual disciplines (downhill, super-G since 1985, giant slalom, slalom): Jean-Claude Killy (without super-G), Marc Girardelli, Pirmin Zurbriggen, Bode Miller, Kjetil André Aamodt and Günther Mader. In addition, all overall World Cup winners with at least 3 large crystal globes in their collection who have not won in all disciplines: Marcel Hirscher, Gustav Thöni, Hermann Maier, Ingemar Stenmark, Phil Maire and Marco Odermatt. In addition, you also have to take into account athletes on this list with outstanding performances in individual disciplines: e.g. Franz Klammer, Aksel Lund Svindal, Beat Feuz, Stefan Eberharter, Didier Cuche, Bode Miller, Lasse Kjus, Michael von Grünigen etc. We already have 12 athletes in the first two categories, and it is very difficult to find objective and fair criteria to remove 2 athletes from this list. One criterion could be: number of World Cup victories achieved in relation to the number of World Cup races held in the respective season. Günther Mader would probably be thrown out of the list, as he has not achieved more than 2 World Cup victories in any individual discipline - apart from the Super-G. Conclusion: I would like to help continue this discussion with objective criteria...
Where you from? Specially Bode Miller feels like a reach. He obviously was a spectacel all or nothing rider, which is fun to watch No Zurbriggen is crazy! Excpected him in the top 5! He’s probably thr most important skier for the development of the sport. Alberto Tomba feels also missing, but some italiens probably will remind you 😉
Agree that Stenmark is a league of its own, and also Aamodt has more WCH and OI medals, but Herminator has way more WC podiums. I see him as somekind of underdog. Like Herman Maier who? but when you see his career you can't be unimpressed
Pirmin Zurbriggen would like a polite word with you! How about making a list of the best skier from every country? I know it'd be difficult for skiing giants like Austria, Switzerland, Norway etc but for Britain it just has to be Dave Ryding!
I'm sorry but this is utter nonsense. No women? No Lindsy Vonn? No Mikaela Shiffrin? Not because they're American but because they are either equal to or better than Stenmark. And they both are winners in every alpine discipline. Stenmark, yes a great skier, only skied in two disciplines.
Can't compare men's with women's. Men's is at a much, much higher level. It would be like saying the USA women's World Cup football team is tied for the 2nd best team OAT at FIFA World Cup. 1. BRA 2. USA women's 2. GER 2. ITA Get a grip!
@@TheLedahosn Your take. Klammer is by many considered the greatest downhill skier. Svindal won all there is to win in speed races, and with his injuries and comebacks, you can argue he really is among the greats
I can understand that's quite difficult to make such a list (anyway, what's the meaning of it?) without forgetting someone, but this list is so senseless and so Norwegian...
Alexander Zhirov could have been included in this list, but a car accident interrupted both his career and his life... "Zhirov was a wonderful skier. I guess... he was a genius." Ingemar Stenmark.
I think Marc Girardeli and Pirmin Zirbriggin might push a couple of these guys out. Girardelli is probably the only racer to win multiple World Cup season tittles in both Slalom and Downhill, not to mention a GS tittle also. That's not likely to happen again. Oh, and five overall tittles!
So, first of all, all men, and like other comments, no mention of Lindsey Vonn, Mikaela Schiffrin, Nancy Greene, any Swiss like Cuche. Killy, Stenmark, Tomba, yes, but not Miller and several others; this guy should get off the green circle runs and try a couple of double blacks so he knows what real skiing is.
@@speedkingz And I guess you are too young, but Toni Sailer in 1956 is the only man other than Killy to win gold medals in every Olympic alpine skiing event. He for sure should be on the list.
Forgetting Wayne Wong, Spyder Sabich, Glen Plake and Jonny Mosely. I mean, watch any real ski movie, by Warren Miller or Matchstick, and check out the local villains. Not hating on any of the Norwegians, just being comfortable with a broader definition of "skiing".
I find it difficult to compare skiers from different eras. The material has changed and evolved. Slope preparation is currently different and is also difficult to compare.
There is no question that there have been many outstanding personalities who have inspired many people through skiing. They had a charisma that was not only defined by fame and success.
For sure! And amount of races and competetiveness of winning too
Chi ha fatto la classifica? Le commesse di un negozio?@@speedkingz
A bit surprise too with a clear bias in this ranking, but that’s the point to discuss it, isn’t it?
Yes, no ranking without a discussion
Kjus Amodt Tomba 7 no Thoeni 😂😂😂
What about Thoeni, Girardelli and Zurbriggen? It looks like a list done by a Norwegian fan 😅
uno che mette kjus e aamodt davanti a tomba dovrebbe cambiare spacciatore. concordo su girardelli, thöni e pirmin. Siccome fare la top10 è veramente difficile io mi atterrei semplicemente al numero di vittorie totale (cdm, mondiali e olimpiadi). resta il fatto che se alberto avesse avuto la testa di un hirscher o di uno stenmark li avrebbe asfaltati tutti.
Right, mate...
Exactly. No way Aamodt is #2.
was exactly my thought, as well 😄 Not to mention Zurbriggen or Girardelli but Tomba... okaaaaay 😄
I'm from the Netherlands so I have no dog in this fight but Aamodt's combined career total of twenty World Championship and Olympic medals is an all-time best. He is the second-youngest male alpine skier to win an Olympic gold medal (age 20 in 1992; Toni Sailer was two months younger in 1956). Until 2014, he was also the oldest alpine skier to win an Olympic gold medal. For almost six years, Aamodt led the all-time Marathon World Cup ranking, with a total of 13,252 points. By winning the super-G race at the 2006 Olympics, Aamodt became the first male alpine skier to win four gold medals in the Olympics. If you win the world championship in any sport your considered the best, and all the rest of the world cares about is the Olympics. Aamodt exceeded in both AND he mastered the whole mountain, skiing every alpine discipline, that you don't see today. I think it's safe to say that Aamodt deserves his position. Btw, Ingmar Stenmark has repeatedly shared his admiration for Aamodt - and visa versa.
Very shocked five time overall WC champion Marc Giradelli did not make the list. Same with four time overall champ Pirmin Zurbriggen. In addition to being second and third, respectively, in number of overall World Cup titles, both were great all-around skiers, with wins in every Alpine discipline over the course of their careers (with the exception of Parallel, which was not run during their careers). None of the other Men who have won at least three World Cup titles have won in every event that was competed in their careers. Hirscher, in the lead with 8 titles, never won a downhill or combined event. Gustav Theoni, tied third with Zurbriggen, never won a downhill. Phil Mahre and Stenmark, both tied with three titles, never won downhills or super-G (super-G being added as an event right near the end of their careers).
You got a point. Will make a new one
@@speedkingzHirscher won a Super G
And Tony Sailer 3 gold medals? And Gustav Thoeni? And Girardelli?
You get a bad note and must remake your homework
Where is Bojan Krizaj and Pirmin Zurbriggen and many more?
Just posted my comment with the exactly same thoughts and found yours. Zurbriggen was something like Pete Sampras of tennis, not including him is a very odd choice and for me personally an offense. The same goes for arguably the most versatile skier of all time Marc Girardelli. All skiers in the list are amazing, but these two giants simply must not be omitted.
Ingemar Stenmark. What a legend.
The whole country of Sweden stopped for a while every time he raced.
The way he managed to tackle the most difficult surfaces and courses in his very characteristic panther like style actually gave us goosebumps. Really miss these years of top alpine racing.
Thanks.
@@fredrikstenberg8843 Except for downhill. In the few that he did run in, he pussed out big time.
You can't be serious. Where is Pirmin Zurbriggen? Best Allrounder ever.
Yes, will make a new
@@speedkingz you forgot beni reich man
Hard to understand the omission of Girardelli and Zurbriggen. Aamodt and Stenmark were the master artists.
What about Pirmin Zurbriggen with 89 podiums, his world champion titles, his Olympic gold medal and all the big globe trophies for wining the overall world cup ranking quite a few times?
you forgot Marc Girardelli, Gustav Thoeni, Pirmin Zurbriggen ......
Stenmark is on a level of his own. From an era when the World Cup compared to today, was the wild west.
They changed just about every rule to slow him down.
An absolute icon.
Must have been a Norwegian who made this video… not a single Swiss in the top 10?!? Oder matt currently already is in the top 5 and he is still racing
Odermatt good. Zurbriggen should be there
Yeah, the NOR bias is ridiculous. The only worthy NOR is Svindal and I put him 6th.
Totally agree. A complete joke of a ranking. Some of these Norwegians I didn't even know. No Swiss.....really?
I understand not including active athletes completely because it will likely make the video outdated immediately, but Zurbriggen is an absolute necessity
@@cain1011 if you only count singel victories in Vorld cup maybe - but if OL and World champs also should be counted you cant get around Aamodt
Not including Pirmin Zurbriggen and Marc Girardelli makes this a very unreliable source!
Kind of agree. Zurbriggen should be there
Yes, I have Zurbriggen 4th and Girardelli 5th.
I agree 100% with Ingemar, but really, no SWISS????? You must be joking.
Lasse Kjus did something I don't think will be repeated ever in alpine skiing. In the Vail world championship in 99, he got a medal in all 5 events. 3 silver and 2 gold medals. Gold in Super G and Giant slalom, silver in the downhill, combined and slalom. Still can't believe he pulled that off....;-)
And that's one of the reasons he's here. Too many forgot how of good of an allrounder he was
@@speedkingz speaking of good allrounders but not mention Zurbriggen and Girardelli..?
Is Odermatt disqualified because he's still active?
No, nearly there
safe he will break stenmarks record he has 12 gs in a row 2 more to go easy 🤦♂️@@speedkingz
Totally agree Ingemar Stenmark is rightly at the top of the list
Italy stopped every time Alberto was at the starting line. He turned a sport watched only in the mountains to a sport watched nationwide. Miss you
#1 in my books, always.
I miss Zurbriggen, Russi, Sailer, Schranz, Eberharter, Wasmeier and Giradelli on such a list
Wasmeier under top 10?
Wasmeiner is never ever top 10 of all time, no way@@willibaldpush6920
Wasmeier for what? For 2 Olypic Gold medals? This have many lot of good racer. In Worldcup, how many wons Wasmeier?
The list is skewed in favor of Norwegians.
Please give me your top 10. Will post on wall and see if people agree. In?
These are the 10 greatest norvegian skiers of all time, with foreign participation. Every other title is ridiculous!
Yes! 👍👍👍
Norway is best🇧🇻🇧🇻🇧🇻🇧🇻
+Marc Girardelli, Pirmin Zurbriggen
Good take, give you that. Why would you have switched?
If Hermann hadnt have his motorcycle accident, he would have been on the first place similar to stenmark or even better. He was such an extraordinary skier.
Based on ski-db stats and who i feel were the best overall during their career. Taking into account age, comebacks, etc. Yes, Girardelli and zurbriggen should be there. But you can still argue for the other ones on this list
And which two you take out? I fear you have to think about one or two Norwegians.
I saw Stenmark ski in the East Coast swing in 1978, unfingbeliavable! Absolutely the GOAT. As most of you know and have stated, ski technology has got to be taken into account.
Top 10 All Time lists are tough to compile because there's always disagreement about why somebody or another isn't on the list. But there's usually not much disagreement when it comes to the very top of the list, e.g. who's the greatest, who's the GOAT. Alpine skiing ... Ingemar Stenmark.
A interesting list with a lot of norwegian touch.... I clearly miss on this list Marc Girardelli, Pirmin Zurbriggen, Gustavo Thöni, Toni Sailer and Marco Odermatt !
What about Austrian Toni Sailer? He won all the alpine events (Downhill, GS, Slalom) by HUGE margins in the 1956 Olympics (much greater margins of victory than Killy in 1968). I was fortunate enough to get his autograph when he visited Ottawa in 1964.
exactly, he is the GOAT for sure. Greatest to the author of this video apparently means you have to be from Norway and time frame is last 30 years.
Absolutely
He later designed many of the runs in Appi-Kogan, Japan which still proudly bear his name...
Somehow I still love the style of Stenmark.
Crazy how he manages to wipe out ever single gate with his jumping
Such Rock solid technique...not just as a racer but overall...good for anywhere, and all conditions on the mountain, not just in the gates. Phil Mahre too. You can see this solid technique carried over onto other terrain by Scott Schmidt.
@@sprintn918 there are many who learned that way.
I skied with Frank Worndl. Racer with fine success but bit of a wasted genius.
If it wasn’t against the clock he was just playing the ground, like a dance kinda Art.
Who did this ranking? Did he ever watch ski competitions for the past 40 years?Aside from Stenmark, Klammer and Killy, you are totally off my friend...
I would agree that Stenmark is the GOAT but also remember he battled the Mahre brothers. There was also Marc Girardelli, Pirmin Zurbriggen, and where's Gustavo Thoeni who later coached Alberto Tomba?
Girardelli and Zurbriggen yes
Can you justify why Gustav Thoeni or Karl Schranz not? Thoeni won World Cups in 71, 72, 73 and 75 ( dramatic finish against Stenmark). Won also 3 Olympic medals an 7 World championship medals, of this 5 gold. His technical skill in GS and GSL was superb for his time. Probably you are to young to evaluate that.
Bode Miller was often spectacular, but far from good enough for such a list. Pirmin Zurbriggen was one of the most complete alpine skier of all times. I think he is still, and always will be, the only one to ever win a WC SL and downhill race in the same week.
Incredible. As ypu can see in description, Killy was something spectacular too
Totally agree about permin Zurbringen. The list seems to be biais to Norwegians. What about Giradelli ?
Bode miller may not have the raw numbers but at his peak he was the most complete male skier ever. He’s still the only one to have at least 5 wins in every discipline. And it’s a shame he hasn’t won more races overall
Good list, but Marc Girardelli and Pirmin Zurbriggen must be on this list too! As well as Edgar Grospiron, the mogul master!
Zurbriggen and girardelli will be on next time
And Didier Cuche, 5x winner of Kitzbühel
my brother and I were competing at park city long ago in a FIS sanctioned SL ,GS. we were watching a skier coming down towards the starting hut for the GS and remarked how good he was skiing with a different style but we thought he could maybe win the race. to our astonishment it was Stein Erickson coming to fore- run the race. he had won a olympic gold medal in GS way back in the 1950's. !! and still carving rock solid turns. the best racers had just come back from WC races placing in the top 10.
Must have been inspiring to see
Hirscher should obviously be #1 or #2. Also, Zurbriggen and Girardelli should both make the list, perhaps even top five. Apart from that, not too shabby. Odermatt could be in the top ten after this season IMO.
Zurbriggen girardelli yes, but hirscher 1st?
There's no competition for 1st. Come on...
Zurbriggen?
Do you know Who are Girardelli and Zurbriggen?
Agree they should have been there
Great video. Fun to watch. Difficult to pick just ten
For sure, some has to be left out, everything just opinions, can argue for both. Thanks
The greatest alpine skiers are only those who were able to win in in EVERY disccipline. - So, certrainly no Stenmark, no Maier, no Hirscher etc.
I think you are at the wrong place.
I think he is right. Otherwise call it the greatest downhiller or slalom or GS skier. A great Alpine skier should be able to do it in all the disciplines.
You forgot Gustav Thoeni, a legend of the ski
Zurbriggen and Giardelli not being on here is ridiculous and having Bide at number 10 is also…..he completely and single handedly changed the line and technical approach with equipment to the sport
Kungen från Tärnaby💪
Excellent performance, congratulations to all wonderful participants 👌👌👌
Weird that Aamodt and Kjus get so much flak. Clearly the most versatile/complete alpinists on this lists, which otherwise consist mostly of specialists(hence they won overall WC many times, most-winning olympians of all time etc)
Totally agree. And Aamodt got by far most top10s ever, and there's more races now too. Superb overall and really impacted the sport. Especially in olympics and wc
What are the arguments to rank this way? Number of victories? Zurbriggen (won in all disciplines), Cuche (record of victories in Kitzbuehl), Girardelli? It seems that this ranking is based on subjectivity. Fine for me, but change the title of the video then.
Love this list. The best skiiers I've seen live are Stenmark and Shiffrin. FOR Men my faves are Stenmark, Phil Mhare, Tomba, and the HERMANATOR!
this video is just one man‘s opinion- we could discuss forever who should be on the list and who shouldn’t.
Was this list made by a Norwegian? I am Norwegian and i have to say that Pirmin should be in the top five on this list! No discussion. Girardelli top ten aswell. Kudos, though for putting Lasse Kjus up there. He competed in all events in Vail 1999 and made it top two in every event. Had a lot of health problems ruining many seasons but had a ‘feeling’ that is hard to describe. (Both Kjus and Aamodt have no doubt Stenmark was the greatest ever, btw). I am to young to know about Killy and Thoeni.. Interesting discussion, though! I bet Odermatt will be remembered as one of the greats! Peace from Norway✌️
Takk!
Before I watched the list I made my own. 8 names matched. I think you could make a point for Zurbriggen, Girardelli, Toni Sailer or Zeno Colo.
Nice list, but Tomba's record is inaccurate. He won three Olympic gold medals, two World Championships, four World Cup titles in slalom, four in giant slalom, and one overall World Cup title.
Thanks for clearing
How is pirmin zurbriggen not in there? Belongs into the top 6
Thanks, great conversation starter, how about Stenmark, Hirscher, Killy, and Girardelli. The rest may argue for the other spots.
Killy was number 9 in this list, hirscher 4th, stenmark 1st. So what do you mean?
Rudolf Nierlich
Stephan Eberharter
Marc Girardelli
Pirmin Zurbriggen
Michael von Grünigen
Herminator No. 1 No Question. Absolut Legend.
Pirmin Zurbriggen e Girardelli al di la di questi nomi ci devono sempre essere in una classifica dei migliori .
Where Pirmin Zurbriggen?!! Marc Girardelli ?!! Some of those shown here could possibly have their shoes shined! 🙂
Hermann Maier hat im gegensatz zu Stenmark "drei" disziplininen dominiert. Ohne seinen unfall hätte er alle rekorde gebrochen.
Wenn es rein nach skifahrerischem herzblut geht , ist Hermann Maier unübertroffen !!!. Ein racer, ein sportsmann, eine wucht. Wenn der aus dem starthaus war, hast du dich nur gefragt welchen abstand er heraus fahren wird.
So ein ähnliches gefühl hatte ich bei Marcel, und jetzt auch bei Marco Odermatt.
Establecer una lista así sin Toni Sailer, es como proponer una lista de la historia del Rock 'n Roll without Elvis Presley.La primera super-estrella del esquí hasta en lo mediático. Sin esta figura en Kitzbühel seguirían cantando el Erzherzog-Johann-Jodler y poca cosa más. Uno tiene que ser muy grande para elevar un poblucho tirolés, cuya montaña más alta no roza ni los 2000mts, a la Meca del esquí con una pijería detrás como Monte Carlo y Marbella.
Stenmark - undisputed GOAT!
I'll dispute that any day
Stenamrk scendeva la Streiff a spazzaneve. Forse il più grande slalomista ma non il più grande sciatore.
@@danielebiondini7516Se parliamo di polivalenza, probabilmente nessuno come Zürbriggen.
@@boomeremenevanto girardelli, kjus, aamodt, zurbriggen, mahre. Nn ho visto Killy sailer schranz,
Marc Giradelli ?? Pirmin Zurbriggen ??
Interesting subject. Of the three Norwegian included, only Svindal clearly belongs. The other two (Lasse Kjus and Aamodt) are clearly Norwegian homer choices. The glaring omission is Pirmin Zurbriggen. Toni Seiler from the 1950s is from an era impossible to truly consider within modern skiing.
for me hirscher was the best of all Time 😍🇦🇹
Dominated his time
@@speedkingz yeah really craazy but stenmark and all the other guys was also really strong 🤝💪🏻
I have him at 2nd behind Stenmark. Stenmark was robbed of ALL globes due to the rules back then.
Ingemar Stenmark 💪💪💪
Can't believe you don't have one Swiss skier on this list! Might move the Herminator up a spot or two as well.
Killy was the greatest skier of the classic era (3 gold olympic medals in 1968 out of 3 races : slalom, giant. downhill)
Then it was obviously Stenmark and Maier, and then so many great champions like Girardelli, Thoeni, Zurbriggen etc...the list is incredible. and yes its very difficult to compare as the material and technique has changed a lot
My number one is Hermann Maier. His life should be made into a film
Marc Giradelli? Pirmin Zurbriggen?
Such classifications are perforce arbitrary, but this one is extravagant. I argue the label greatest *skiers* (not downhill or technical specialists) should be for the few ones who won races in all the disciplines. My own number 1 among those few, is Zurbriggen. Girardelli won one more Cup because he was active longer, but Zurbriggen had the sheer class that left you in awe. Bode Miller is close, with Thoeni and very few others.
Obviously....you are a ski fan. Only fan. And Norwegian fan.
Aamodt in 2nd place is not right: he was very good in single important events like Olympic Games, but very few Worldcup victories. Aamodt, Kjus and Klammer above Tomba: no! Where is Zurbriggen?
Agree to some extent. The best ones performed when it really matters though
There are too many great all-rounders to include Klammer. Even he later admitted he mostly won on aggression over technical skill. Once really strong technical downhillers like Podborski and younger Austrians appeared he wasn't competitive. It's ridiculous that Shiffrin isn't on this list.
@@dansprague2Klammer was extremely dominant for three seasons, winning once 10 downhills in a row, often with a lead of one or two seconds. He lost dominance not for technical reasons but psychology, first time after the grave accident of his brother. Among ten skiers I would always include Klammer.
Hmph. No mention of Lindsey Vonn (who almost dethroned Stenmark), or Mikaela Shiffrin (who actually dethroned him)? Okaaaaay...
Men only here. I'll create an overall later
Probably should reflect that in the title of the video! This is your take on Top 10 Male Alpine Skiers, but I would argue that Vonn & Shriffin have to be on a list of Top 10 Alpine Skiers that is non-specific to sex @@speedkingz
Can't compare men's with women's. Like football, men's is in another universe.
@@cain1011There is a clear gap in competitiveness, but it's way closer than in football
@@arroe8386 On the women's side it is easy for an outside country (CAN, USA, NZ, SVK, POL, CZE, CRO) to finish in the top 10 standings of a discipline but for the men very, very difficult.
How are two female American skiers (Vonn and Shiffrin) the GOAT? When the USA men are so weak?
In USA for every 100 super excellent recreational male skiers there are around 8 super excellent recreational female skiers. Skiing for men is way more popular at the highest levels and yet the USA men can't compete in FIS World Cup.
In 2022/23 there were 11.6 million active skiers/snowboarders in the USA. That's more than the entire population of AUT. Lol!
Wtf is ketjl andre amondt doing on second position?
I would certainly put Zurbriggen and Girardelli on my top ten. The battle of dh vs slalom or gs will go on forever. The combined discipline never worked that out. Stenmark is totally ok as numero uno, Hirscher is my nr 2 and Maier no 3. But then again, we all know that Shiffrin is the boss.
As for norwegians on a top ten list, Aamodt is the one and only. So far. He was a fuckin beautiful skier to watch. Braathen will end up as one of the top ten, hopefully.
the Swiss were completely forgotten (Russi, Zurbriggen, Cuche, von Grünigen, etc.)!
I have a results based rating that counts only world cup results - an not, like ski-db, olympics and world championships, trying to make the incomparable comparable. According to this, the most accomplished male skiers to date are:
1 Ingemar Stenmark SWE
2 Marcel Hirscher AUT
3 Marc Girardelli LUX
4 Pirmin Zurbriggen SUI
5 Hermann Maier AUT
6 Aksel-Lund Svindal NOR
7 Gustav Thoeni ITA
7 Alberto Tomba ITA
9 Benjamin Raich AUT
10 Stephan Eberharter AUT
Franz Klammer is not in the top 20 as he did only downhill, however, as the best downhiller ever, he deserves an honorable mention. Marco Odermatt will be in the top 10 in a couple of years if he continues to ski like this. Henrik Kristoffersen is also close to the top 10. The best Americans are Phil Mahre and Bode Miller as ## 14/15 respectively.
The top 10 women as of today are:
1 Annemarie Moser Proell AUT
2 Lindsey C. Vonn USA
3 Mikaela Shiffrin USA (active)
4 Vreni Schneider SUI
5 Katja Seizinger GER
6 Renate Goetschl AUT
7 Hanni Wenzel LIE
8 Anja Paerson SWE
9 Maria Riesch GER
10 Erika Hess SUI
Hence Shiffrin isn't #1 yet, but the top 3 are very close and Shiffrin likely will be #1 by the end of this season. Lara Gut and Petra Vlhova have good chances to end their careers in the top 10.
Top 5 Downhillers:
1 Franz Klammer AUT
2 Beat Feuz SUI
3 Peter Mueller SUI
4 Didier Cuche SUI
5 Michael Walchhofer AUT
1 Lindsey C. Vonn USA
2 Annemarie Moser Proell AUT
3 Renate Goetschl AUT
4 Katja Seizinger GER
5 Sofia Goggia ITA (active)
Top 5 Super G:
1 Pirmin Zurbriggen SUI
2 Hermann Maier AUT
3 Aksel-Lund Svindal NOR
4 Kjetil Jansrud NOR
5 Stephan Eberharter AUT
1 Katja Seizinger GER
1 Lindsey C. Vonn USA
3 Lara Gut SUI (active)
4 Renate Goetschl AUT
5 Carole Merle FRA
Top 5 Giant Slalom:
1 Ingemar Stenmark SWE
2 Marcel Hirscher AUT
3 Ted Ligety USA
4 Michael Von Gruenigen SUI
5 Alberto Tomba ITA
1 Vreni Schneider SUI
2 Anja Paerson SWE
2 Anita Wachter AUT
4 Annemarie Moser Proell AUT
5 Mikaela Shiffrin USA (active)
Top 5 Slalom:
1 Ingemar Stenmark SWE
2 Marcel Hirscher AUT
3 Alberto Tomba ITA
4 Henrik Kristoffersen NOR (active)
5 Ivica Kostelic CRO
1 Mikaela Shiffrin USA (active)
2 Vreni Schneider SUI
3 Marlies Schild AUT
4 Erika Hess SUI
5 Pernilla Wiberg SWE
Top 5 Allrounders
(score in the overall World Cup is relatively higher than the score in individual disciplines. One misses out on some great skiers if one ignores this category)
1 Marc Girardelli LUX
2 Kjetil Andre Aamodt NOR
3 Gustav Thoeni ITA
4 Phil Mahre USA
5 Andreas Wenzel LIE
1 Hanni Wenzel LIE
2 Annemarie Moser Proell AUT
3 Janica Kostelic CRO
4 Petra Kronberger AUT
5 Brigitte Oertli SUI
5 Anja Paerson SWE
Only Marcel Hirscher is the best. The guy won the World Cup 8 times, was a multiple world champion and a 2-time Olympic champion. What more could you want.
Or was he just skiing against the worst era??
To create such a list, clear objective criteria are needed: time period that is counted, number of victories in the overall World Cup, number of overall victories in discipline World Cups, number of World Cup victories per discipline, number of World Cup and Olympic medals per discipline, outstanding performances in one discipline, outstanding performances overall in each discipline.
This list should definitely include all World Cup riders who have won at least one race in ALL individual disciplines (downhill, super-G since 1985, giant slalom, slalom):
Jean-Claude Killy (without super-G), Marc Girardelli, Pirmin Zurbriggen, Bode Miller, Kjetil André Aamodt and Günther Mader. In addition, all overall World Cup winners with at least 3 large crystal globes in their collection who have not won in all disciplines: Marcel Hirscher, Gustav Thöni, Hermann Maier, Ingemar Stenmark, Phil Maire and Marco Odermatt.
In addition, you also have to take into account athletes on this list with outstanding performances in individual disciplines: e.g. Franz Klammer, Aksel Lund Svindal, Beat Feuz, Stefan Eberharter, Didier Cuche, Bode Miller, Lasse Kjus, Michael von Grünigen etc.
We already have 12 athletes in the first two categories, and it is very difficult to find objective and fair criteria to remove 2 athletes from this list. One criterion could be: number of World Cup victories achieved in relation to the number of World Cup races held in the respective season.
Günther Mader would probably be thrown out of the list,
as he has not achieved more than 2 World Cup victories in any individual discipline - apart from the Super-G.
Conclusion: I would like to help continue this discussion with objective criteria...
Good points. This is pretty much subjective and based on ski-db stats. Maybe i should make a list like you suggested too?
Where you from?
Specially Bode Miller feels like a reach. He obviously was a spectacel all or nothing rider, which is fun to watch
No Zurbriggen is crazy! Excpected him in the top 5! He’s probably thr most important skier for the development of the sport.
Alberto Tomba feels also missing, but some italiens probably will remind you 😉
Bode is one of a kind, admired by all the best as one of the fastest
agreed re Stenmark
the Herminator should be No.1 on your list.
Aah, dont agree, but good pick
Agree that Stenmark is a league of its own, and also Aamodt has more WCH and OI medals, but Herminator has way more WC podiums. I see him as somekind of underdog. Like Herman Maier who? but when you see his career you can't be unimpressed
All greats but it should of been the top 20 more than 10 true legends .
Where is Alberto Tomba
He's in there. 4th or 7th dont remember
I have Tomba at 10th.
Pirmin Zurbriggen would like a polite word with you!
How about making a list of the best skier from every country? I know it'd be difficult for skiing giants like Austria, Switzerland, Norway etc but for Britain it just has to be Dave Ryding!
Haha, good video idea. I'll give it a go, stay tuned
I question this list but agree Stenmark is #1. If you look at how Killy skied on that equipment it is quite remarkable.
Yeah, retired too soon though
@@speedkingz Aamodt only had 21 wins and Kjus 18. How can you rank them so high?
Ingemar ruled. They created a whole new discipline just to stop him, Super G.
Hard to define the ten best. But Zurbriggen was a true master. As was Giradelli. Has been said by others. ;-)
Ridicolo, fatto chiaramente da norvegesi. Escludere girardelli, thoeni, zurbriggen, colo', ....ridicolo
what connoisseur would leave out Girardelli and Zurbriggen?
I'm sorry but this is utter nonsense. No women? No Lindsy Vonn? No Mikaela Shiffrin? Not because they're American but because they are either equal to or better than Stenmark. And they both are winners in every alpine discipline. Stenmark, yes a great skier, only skied in two disciplines.
Sorry, but male only. Of course Shiffrin etc would be there. Will makr an overall
@@speedkingz It says "top 10 greatest alpine skiers of all time." Nothing about males only.
Can't compare men's with women's. Men's is at a much, much higher level. It would be like saying the USA women's World Cup football team is tied for the 2nd best team OAT at FIFA World Cup.
1. BRA
2. USA women's
2. GER
2. ITA
Get a grip!
@@cain1011 Baloney.
Not even one Swiss racer??? ⛷️🇨🇭
Sadly. Many good ones. Cuche maybe?
@@speedkingzzurbriggen > Kjus, Klammer, Aamodt, Svindal
Cuche ,von Grùningen,Zurbriggen have to be on that list;and I am Austrian
Klammer and Svindal should not be on that list.
Guenther Mader,Giradelli also won in all 5 disciplines
@@TheLedahosn Your take. Klammer is by many considered the greatest downhill skier. Svindal won all there is to win in speed races, and with his injuries and comebacks, you can argue he really is among the greats
Stenmark was an easy choice as the top male skier, but I would have loved to see one or two of the real pioneers, like Stein Eriksen!
see my post about Toni Sailer
To not include shifrin negates the legitimacy of your list. Why not acknowledge at the beginning, this is a list of men only?
No it doesn't. You can't compare women's with men's. Like football, alpine ski racing is on a much lower level than men's.
The title literally says "Men". What are you talking about?
Comparing athletes from different generations is already difficult enough...
Can you read? It says greatest MEN 🤦♂️
I can understand that's quite difficult to make such a list (anyway, what's the meaning of it?) without forgetting someone, but this list is so senseless and so Norwegian...
For fun
Alexander Zhirov could have been included in this list, but a car accident interrupted both his career and his life...
"Zhirov was a wonderful skier. I guess... he was a genius." Ingemar Stenmark.
Wow, thanks
Pirmin Zurbriggen belongs into top five.
I think Marc Girardeli and Pirmin Zirbriggin might push a couple of these guys out. Girardelli is probably the only racer to win multiple World Cup season tittles in both Slalom and Downhill, not to mention a GS tittle also. That's not likely to happen again. Oh, and five overall tittles!
Prima dei norvegesi, Aamod a parte, viene Zurbriggen e Girardelli, oltre a Gustavo Thoeni...
So, first of all, all men, and like other comments, no mention of Lindsey Vonn, Mikaela Schiffrin, Nancy Greene, any Swiss like Cuche. Killy, Stenmark, Tomba, yes, but not Miller and several others; this guy should get off the green circle runs and try a couple of double blacks so he knows what real skiing is.
Men only in this video, but ok. Can argue for all of them
@@speedkingz And I guess you are too young, but Toni Sailer in 1956 is the only man other than Killy to win gold medals in every Olympic alpine skiing event. He for sure should be on the list.
Forgetting Wayne Wong, Spyder Sabich, Glen Plake and Jonny Mosely. I mean, watch any real ski movie, by Warren Miller or Matchstick, and check out the local villains. Not hating on any of the Norwegians, just being comfortable with a broader definition of "skiing".
What about Marc Girardelli? I expected him to be on this list, are you serious?
Could be there, should probably
@@speedkingzHe should definetly be in top 3! What a shame not to see him in top 3 !
What about Pirmin Zurbriggen and Marc Girardelli??
Could be there
For me, Killy was #1. (I'm 75, so I remember. Haha!)
Haha, incredible skier
Didn't Killy win gold at the 1968 Olympics in slalom, GS and downhill?
@@pierremarcoux9465 Yup. In Innsbruck. No Super G yet.
Yup - when I saw that he was using Dynamic VR17 skis, I decided that if they were good enough for him, they were good enough for me!
He is the only alpine skier to win a DH, SL and GS globe. Incredible! I have him at 9th OAT.