Well, if you watched their other video of the "top 10", you would see Killy and Klammer there. This nothing more than the usual click-bait video that desperate for income people put out.
Pas du tout d accord... Mettre les descendeurs,avec les disciplines dites technique n est pas justes. Si vous skiez ,vous devriez le savoir..... Une descente à 130kmh ou un SG à 110 n à rien à voir avec un spécial ou un Géant.. Ensuite ou sont Franz Klammer,JC KILLY?? LE SKI DES ANNÉES 60/70/80 c était de la folie. Karl schranz aussi
Ridiculous. There is only one skier that was so utterly good and way ahead of his competitors that they actually had to change the rules in order for him to not have won the world cup even before halfway through the season: Ingemar Stenmark. He is number one and then there's empty space behind him for a loooong time, and then the rest of the runners up come. Once, he won by a scaresly believable 4.06 seconds!! In a sport where you usually win by some thousands of a second, it's like Usain Bolt would've won the 100 meter sprint by 40 meters.
They had to change the World Cup rules and points awarded, because everyone knew that without those changes Stenmark would have won ten Cups in a row... Moreover, he revolutionized slalom technique. You can look at the videos on YT, old and new. There is a clear separation in the best skiers' style, before Stenmark and after Stenmark. Even today they ski more or less like him, there were no more revolutions after Stenmark. He is literally light years ahead of anybody else in skiing history. I agree: ridiculous.
@@Giribonebro shut up you lost all credibility when you said there were no revolutions after him. There was even a big revolution between Raich and Hirschers times
These are amazing times. First Hirscher defeats seemingly eternal Stenmark's dominance, and after only a few years Odermatt is moving in to demolish them both.
In base ai punti ??? 3 medaglie d’oro a freno le 68 non basta? In un epoca diversa da quella di oggi!! Con più competizioni più spettacolarizzazione piu materiale piu tutto e piu medicina…. Qualche austriaco l’hai inserito
esatto Kily,Klammer,Sailer e altri campionissimi di altri tempi non si possono confrontare con quelli di oggi ,per esempio Stenmark faceva il slalom con sci da 2,15 cm e oggi sciano il slaom con sci da 1,70 cm....
Should have showed at least one GS clip of Stenmark. I watched GS from trailside lake placid 1980. On a fall away turn and that styrofoam man made snow, EVERY skier chattered through the turn except him. A different equipment era than Ligety, but I think they are equal on smoothness. I’ve seen pics of Stenmark with edge angle similar to Ted.
Some weeks ago there was a documentary about Stenmark and his fantasic career on the Swedish telly. An amazing story. One thing was really interesting and that was that he found that his skis became better later in the season because the edges were grinded down and the skis got a touch of waist, so they simply carved better. Remember that this was in the era of long straight skis before the carving ski was invented.
Hier wird alles zusammen gerechnet und so haben Allrounder das klare Vorteil gegenüber reinen Abfahrer wie Klammer und Russi. Das andere Nachteil wie lang und wieviele Rennen für ein Sportler, darum fehlen Killy und Sailer als Beispiel
@@speedkingz Yes, Winning Instincts sets the record straight... in a way. The problem with Killy is that he retired when he was 24 years old, and thus his overall record doesn't show his worth. They didn't call him "King Killy" for nothing!
I don't agree with the ranking You're missing quite a few Klammer, Killy, the Mahre bros, the crazy Canucks: Read , Podborsky, Some Swiss: Peter Müller, Daniel Marher, Michael Von Grünigen, some French: Amiez, Piccard, Alphand, Deneriaz, etc. Your ranking is biased. There are good names you're missing. Try again
Marcel is the best technical skier in slalom and GS today and past. No question about that. But I think Jean C Kelly should be in the top 4. Herman Meir should be number 2. Stein Erikson was good during the early development years of skiing and so didn't have the fierce compitition of today.
JC Killy was the most dominant skier, full stop. A couple of these skiers shouldn’t be on the list. Bode miller was a DNF machine. Marc Girardelli, no Olympic golds and not a lot of wins compared to the vast number of starts. The best skiers step up and win in the big races. Aamodt won when it counted.
Re Mahre, if you subtract the combined wins (which weren’t actually races back then) then his record isn’t that great. A good skier but not a top 15 all time
Sorry, but this ranking at least questionable. J-C Killy? Toni Sailer? Günter Mader? Sure, Marcel Hirscher won the FIS World Cup 7 times, but he never dominated all 4 disciplines such as Marc Girardelli, Pirmin Zurbriggen or Hermann Maier. If you don't take the all-over dominance across all disciplines into consideration, then you should enlist Franz Klammer as well, since he dominated the downhill competition throughout 6 or even 7 years. What about Karl Schranz? Same story as Franz Klammer. However, I prefer the all-over approach and thus the top 6 should be Killy, Sailer, Maier, Girardelli, Zurbriggen and Odermatt - the exact ranking amongst them would still be open, maybe they're all ex aequo. Due to the sheer number of victories in two or three disciplines, the list could be extended with Hirscher, Thöni, Stenmark, Tomba, Innerhofer, Ligety, Miller and Svindal. Ready to discuss - will be interesting...
Thanks for your opinion. Agree that Klammer is one of the greatest downhillers. This list is based on ski-db super ranking, where consistency is key. Longetivity and performance in all competitions are weighted heavier than single races. Klammer nr 26, Sailer 29 (no world cup at that time), Schranz nr 23, Killy 17. Go check ski-db super ranking if you want to know. I'm wondering if i should create a donwhill only video etc
Rating based on WC points seems to be heavily biased towards the modern era. In the 21st Century there are more events/points available to accumulate in any given season. For example: no Super-G points were available in the WC before 1983.
@@speedkingz Non ho mai amato le classifiche, in tutti gli sport, che mettono a confronto atleti di epoche diverse, non ha nessun senso per ovvii motivi. Detto questo, a mio parere, o le dividi per specialità oppure davanti a tutti ci devono stare gli sciatori che fanno tutte e quattro le specialità. Hirscher, Raich, Tomba, ottimi slalomisti, stop. Zurbriggen, Girardelli, Aamodt hanno vinto in tutte le specialità, al di la dei punti-gara, hanno dei meriti e delle qualità superiori. E poi, Odermatt al 13° posto?!? Questo è un fenomeno assoluto, secondo solo ad Herman Maier, per adesso.
Ha semplicemente seguito la classifica del database. perciò è una classifica obiettiva, più hai vinto più sei davanti. ovviamente ciascuno ha i suoi preferiti, anche io preferisco quelli che vincono in tutte le specialità, Miller, Zurbriggen, Girardelli ecc. qui due medaglie d' oro in discesa e gigante, valgono come due in gigante. è matematica. questa classifica premia chi ha avuto una lunga carriera. Poi il tempo farà avanzare il numero 13!!
I guess the guy that made the list is 40 years old tops. It's funny how people cannot understand sports if they were not part of it. Yes, of course Marcel Hirscher is better then Stenmark if you had never seen competing Stenmark in live in 70s and early 80s. And JCK is not on the list at all. It was before creator's time, and all he can know about them was publushed in oldschool newspapers (that he don't use), but nothing about them on popular social media, that he uses for his primary source of information. Same reasoning behind millenials firmly believing LeBron James is better basketball player than Michael Jordan. They didn't experience the heat of sport in 80/90s.
A pretty ridiculous list - by points ! Take points in F1 for comparison: because the number of races per season has increased extensively over the last decades, the following drivers would not make it into upper to top rankings by points: Lauda, Stewart, Clark, Fangio, just to name a few examples. Each of them won two or three championships and was a dominant driver at his times, also by pole positions, wins and fastest lap times.
Vidéo complètement stupide ! Vous mettez pas Luc Alphand alors que c'est le seul descendeur de l'histoire à avoir gagné le gros globe au général en faisant que deux disciplines Super g et la descente en 1997. Tu ne connais rien au ski c'est tout elle est nulle ta vidéo
Système de notation inapproprié qui récompense certes la régularité mais uniquement sur les formats de compétitions modernes. Les vrais dieux du ski comme Klammer et Killy du coup sont ignorés
I can't believe Jean Claude Killy is not in the top 15.
Since this is points, maybe he hasn't gained enough points through the races. But yes, best win/top 3 to races ratio and sick wch
Franz Klammer and Luc Alphand too aren't in this video.
Well, if you watched their other video of the "top 10", you would see Killy and Klammer there.
This nothing more than the usual click-bait video that desperate for income people put out.
Pas du tout d accord...
Mettre les descendeurs,avec les disciplines dites technique n est pas justes.
Si vous skiez ,vous devriez le savoir.....
Une descente à 130kmh ou un SG à 110 n à rien à voir avec un spécial ou un Géant..
Ensuite ou sont
Franz Klammer,JC KILLY??
LE SKI DES ANNÉES 60/70/80 c était de la folie.
Karl schranz aussi
KILLY n à pas fait 15 ans de carrière ni SAILER.....
TU ES MEILLEURS PARCQUE TU MARQUE PLUS DE POINTS??
C RIDICULE
Ridiculous. There is only one skier that was so utterly good and way ahead of his competitors that they actually had to change the rules in order for him to not have won the world cup even before halfway through the season: Ingemar Stenmark. He is number one and then there's empty space behind him for a loooong time, and then the rest of the runners up come. Once, he won by a scaresly believable 4.06 seconds!! In a sport where you usually win by some thousands of a second, it's like Usain Bolt would've won the 100 meter sprint by 40 meters.
For sure, probably most dominant, but here you are rewarded for different things
Il était mon idole....
Mais il ne faisait jamais de descente..
Discipline technique no 1 INCONTESTABLEMENT.
They had to change the World Cup rules and points awarded, because everyone knew that without those changes Stenmark would have won ten Cups in a row...
Moreover, he revolutionized slalom technique. You can look at the videos on YT, old and new. There is a clear separation in the best skiers' style, before Stenmark and after Stenmark. Even today they ski more or less like him, there were no more revolutions after Stenmark.
He is literally light years ahead of anybody else in skiing history.
I agree: ridiculous.
Стенмарк бесспорно великий. Но уровень конкуренции в его времена был на порядок ниже, чем у Хиршера и Одерматта.
@@Giribonebro shut up you lost all credibility when you said there were no revolutions after him. There was even a big revolution between Raich and Hirschers times
Welcome back Marcel
These are amazing times. First Hirscher defeats seemingly eternal Stenmark's dominance, and after only a few years Odermatt is moving in to demolish them both.
Odermatt is on the right path
Killy, Sailer, Klammer, ... ? ... und das Slalomhaserl auf Platz 1?
Based on points, killy retired too early
In base ai punti ??? 3 medaglie d’oro a freno le 68 non basta? In un epoca diversa da quella di oggi!! Con più competizioni più spettacolarizzazione piu materiale piu tutto e piu medicina…. Qualche austriaco l’hai inserito
i cant believe that Didier Cuche is not in the Top 15
Where is Jan Claude Killy, did you forget triple Gold at Olympic Games ?
Yes he has. #16 or #17 on this list by ski-db, too bad in cup
@@speedkingz Unbelievable.
Toni Sailer????
Not here, maybe too early to be in the competitions gaining points
Franz Klammer? Toni Sailer?
26
Blödsinn. Du hast ja keine Ahnung und kannst bestimmt nicht einmal gerade stehen auf Skiern.
Es ist nicht ein persönliches Ranking. Es ist gerankt von den offizielen punkten
This list gave me a good laugh. Yet, thanks for the good footage.
Imagine Kily with todays equipment i doubt any one would beat him to the bottom if the hill.
esatto Kily,Klammer,Sailer e altri campionissimi di altri tempi non si possono confrontare con quelli di oggi ,per esempio Stenmark faceva il slalom con sci da 2,15 cm e oggi sciano il slaom con sci da 1,70 cm....
Però nella classifica li confronti
Should have showed at least one GS clip of Stenmark. I watched GS from trailside lake placid 1980. On a fall away turn and that styrofoam man made snow, EVERY skier chattered through the turn except him. A different equipment era than Ligety, but I think they are equal on smoothness. I’ve seen pics of Stenmark with edge angle similar to Ted.
Thanks for bringing that point, he for sure was good in GS
Some weeks ago there was a documentary about Stenmark and his fantasic career on the Swedish telly. An amazing story. One thing was really interesting and that was that he found that his skis became better later in the season because the edges were grinded down and the skis got a touch of waist, so they simply carved better. Remember that this was in the era of long straight skis before the carving ski was invented.
Cool. Can I find it on SVT?
@@speedkingz "Sagan Stenmark" TV4 Play , three episodes if I remember correctly.
Hier wird alles zusammen gerechnet und so haben Allrounder das klare Vorteil gegenüber reinen Abfahrer wie Klammer und Russi. Das andere Nachteil wie lang und wieviele Rennen für ein Sportler, darum fehlen Killy und Sailer als Beispiel
Full points
Where is Killy? Unbelievable.
Good win/race ratio, but not enough points overall
@@speedkingz And what does that have to do with being the greatest? Look at 1967 and 1968. Nobody has ever achieved such a record.
Agree. But this lists is based on ranking points from ski db, Killy is in 17th
If you look at my video about winning instincts, or the other top 10 video, you'll be fine i think
@@speedkingz Yes, Winning Instincts sets the record straight... in a way. The problem with Killy is that he retired when he was 24 years old, and thus his overall record doesn't show his worth. They didn't call him "King Killy" for nothing!
I don't agree with the ranking
You're missing quite a few
Klammer, Killy, the Mahre bros, the crazy Canucks: Read , Podborsky,
Some Swiss: Peter Müller, Daniel Marher, Michael Von Grünigen, some French: Amiez, Piccard, Alphand, Deneriaz, etc.
Your ranking is biased. There are good names you're missing. Try again
ITS NOT PERSONAL RANKING. ITS BASED ON POINTS
Marcel is the best technical skier in slalom and GS today and past. No question about that. But I think Jean C Kelly should be in the top 4. Herman Meir should be number 2. Stein Erikson was good during the early development years of skiing and so didn't have the fierce compitition of today.
Odermat on 13 th place is a joke. Actually he is the best
Will maybe become, but right now?
At the moment maybe 6 but still counting.
JC Killy was the most dominant skier, full stop. A couple of these skiers shouldn’t be on the list. Bode miller was a DNF machine. Marc Girardelli, no Olympic golds and not a lot of wins compared to the vast number of starts. The best skiers step up and win in the big races. Aamodt won when it counted.
Yes, retired eqrly and got punished for that here
Divný rebríček. Stenmark nie je prvý a úplne chýba Franz Klamer ????
Stenmark?
Nr. 2
Andre Arnold, Bode Miller Duvillard..,....
My money would be on JCK skiing on todays equipment in any race dh, sg, gs, and sl In a race to the bottom.
There is only one true number one and thats the Herminator
👍
Franz Klammer!?
Too few points/races.
klammer vuol dire in italiano strettoia ...
Who has 86 victories?
Yup, but a different time back then
@@speedkingz True, his latest victory was in 1989.
Killy, Klammer, Mahre, Sailer...
Too few races/points. Either lacking the longetivity or the results overall in all competitions. Killy retired early, klammer mostly downhill
Re Mahre, if you subtract the combined wins (which weren’t actually races back then) then his record isn’t that great. A good skier but not a top 15 all time
Sailer should certainly be #1 Killy is also obviously missing in this list,. Furthermore before WWII alpine skiing also existed!!!. Very poore leist!
Sorry, but this ranking at least questionable. J-C Killy? Toni Sailer? Günter Mader? Sure, Marcel Hirscher won the FIS World Cup 7 times, but he never dominated all 4 disciplines such as Marc Girardelli, Pirmin Zurbriggen or Hermann Maier. If you don't take the all-over dominance across all disciplines into consideration, then you should enlist Franz Klammer as well, since he dominated the downhill competition throughout 6 or even 7 years. What about Karl Schranz? Same story as Franz Klammer. However, I prefer the all-over approach and thus the top 6 should be Killy, Sailer, Maier, Girardelli, Zurbriggen and Odermatt - the exact ranking amongst them would still be open, maybe they're all ex aequo. Due to the sheer number of victories in two or three disciplines, the list could be extended with Hirscher, Thöni, Stenmark, Tomba, Innerhofer, Ligety, Miller and Svindal. Ready to discuss - will be interesting...
Thanks for your opinion. Agree that Klammer is one of the greatest downhillers. This list is based on ski-db super ranking, where consistency is key. Longetivity and performance in all competitions are weighted heavier than single races. Klammer nr 26, Sailer 29 (no world cup at that time), Schranz nr 23, Killy 17. Go check ski-db super ranking if you want to know. I'm wondering if i should create a donwhill only video etc
Allora se vogliamo vedere manca anche Zeno Colo
Забыли Тони Зайлера и Франца Кламера.
Thoeni only 11th, with four overall world cups???
Based on the point system yes
Rating based on WC points seems to be heavily biased towards the modern era. In the 21st Century there are more events/points available to accumulate in any given season. For example: no Super-G points were available in the WC before 1983.
No points, but rather rankings in races
Im about to watch and if bide miller isnt in there I ll go crazy and do some stupid crazy shit
He's in my personal top 10 video
Olympics or WC`s not included?
Yes it is. Total points based on world cup overall, Olympics, World champs and world cup
Gistav thöni alt leqst top 7 ❤
Miss Killy, Pinturault, Alphand for France. They all beat Eberharter palmares.
Kind of, Killy too young
Ma chi l'ha fatta questa classifica, un appassionato di pesca d'altura?!?
Ma per favore, fate dell'altro!
Who you're missing?
@@speedkingz Non ho mai amato le classifiche, in tutti gli sport, che mettono a confronto atleti di epoche diverse, non ha nessun senso per ovvii motivi.
Detto questo, a mio parere, o le dividi per specialità oppure davanti a tutti ci devono stare gli sciatori che fanno tutte e quattro le specialità.
Hirscher, Raich, Tomba, ottimi slalomisti, stop.
Zurbriggen, Girardelli, Aamodt hanno vinto in tutte le specialità, al di la dei punti-gara, hanno dei meriti e delle qualità superiori.
E poi, Odermatt al 13° posto?!?
Questo è un fenomeno assoluto, secondo solo ad Herman Maier, per adesso.
Ha semplicemente seguito la classifica del database. perciò è una classifica obiettiva, più hai vinto più sei davanti. ovviamente ciascuno ha i suoi preferiti, anche io preferisco quelli che vincono in tutte le specialità, Miller, Zurbriggen, Girardelli ecc. qui due medaglie d' oro in discesa e gigante, valgono come due in gigante. è matematica. questa classifica premia chi ha avuto una lunga carriera. Poi il tempo farà avanzare il numero 13!!
Odermatt will for sure get higher with the years
I guess the guy that made the list is 40 years old tops. It's funny how people cannot understand sports if they were not part of it. Yes, of course Marcel Hirscher is better then Stenmark if you had never seen competing Stenmark in live in 70s and early 80s. And JCK is not on the list at all. It was before creator's time, and all he can know about them was publushed in oldschool newspapers (that he don't use), but nothing about them on popular social media, that he uses for his primary source of information. Same reasoning behind millenials firmly believing LeBron James is better basketball player than Michael Jordan. They didn't experience the heat of sport in 80/90s.
Well
Ha oui....
J oublié l IMMENSE TONY SAILER😉
A pretty ridiculous list - by points ! Take points in F1 for comparison: because the number of races per season has increased extensively over the last decades, the following drivers would not make it into upper to top rankings by points: Lauda, Stewart, Clark, Fangio, just to name a few examples. Each of them won two or three championships and was a dominant driver at his times, also by pole positions, wins and fastest lap times.
Fair enough! But it’s not more races automaitcally equals more points
Ivica Kostelić?
franz klammer,
26. Too bad in og and wch
Vidéo complètement stupide !
Vous mettez pas Luc Alphand alors que c'est le seul descendeur de l'histoire à avoir gagné le gros globe au général en faisant que deux disciplines Super g et la descente en 1997.
Tu ne connais rien au ski c'est tout elle est nulle ta vidéo
Tomba ottavo?😂😂😂😂😂 😂
Based on point ranking yes
Système de notation inapproprié qui récompense certes la régularité mais uniquement sur les formats de compétitions modernes. Les vrais dieux du ski comme Klammer et Killy du coup sont ignorés
Regularity favoured yes, so Killy who retired early is kind of punished
Too many are missing.
Definitively NOT OF ALL TIMES!
Whats wrong?
@@speedkingz Sailer, Schrank, Kelly... there were great skier before WC ...
Yup
The steroid years!!
L
Odermatt is the best Ski racer of all time and Marcel Hirscher is 👎🏿
I agree. Marcel was the best skier ever from either sex while Shirrin tops women
Yup, this is based on ski-db points ranking, so difficult to argue. However, there were more versatile skiers