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Nah i'm the 10k+ crowd and Im giga hyped I am SICK of poe1 and want a giant changeup. Poe1 has become stagnant to me for the past 3-4 years and I really haven't liked the recent leagues.
Never had trouble with MMO keyboard piano, but PoE always bothered me to no end. Wasd is an ABSOLUTE win for me personally after having seen less curated gameplay content.
@@bakakaizoku I can visualize an answer to this question perfectly in my head, but I can't for the life of me translate it to words. I'm terrible at click to move, and would do infinitely better in PoE 1 with WASD.
@@bakakaizoku Honestly, poor word choice on my end. By accurate I mean how much control one has over the character. Being able to aim and walk at the same time being the main thing. Being able to control whether I reach the location by going up, down or sideways rather than relying on the characters pathfinding. That sort of thing
I'm actually excited because POE2 is not POE 1 2 Electric Boogaloo. It means there's still reason to play original POE and I think it speaks to an intention to not let either drop off
yep i was skeptical about the split and the "poe1 will keep going" but with Mark in charge of POE1 I actually think they can pull it off. I love the mindset he is bringing to POE1. Necropolis league sounds awesome. So I'm starting to really believe they can actually do it, have both games running and be great.
Yeah if its actually pretty rad we'll have 3 great ARPGs to choose from when it gets dropped. POE1 AND 2 and Last Epoch. Hope the seasons of the 3 games are staggered so I can play a bit of each.
I see why a lot of PoE players seem skeptical but as a FromSoft and D2 fan that's just what I personally was dreaming of in new installment, it's really reminding me how I saw and felt D2 as a kid and how Souls feels when you're completely new to it. Don't need to zoom past everything but want to actually encounter stuff, not blowing entire screens every 0.5 seconds. Which will probably still be a thing, just not to current extend.
im gonna go ahead and disagree with you there, being slower is fine to being slower to the point of not getting flask charges without going back to town just sounds like them trying to force ruthless back, which absolutely nobody likes
@@patrickdesjardins9278 no one like ruthless because the game wasnt built around ruthless. PoE 2 is a completely different situation, so you need to also keep that in mind.
plus the future of POE1 looks bright with Mark at the helm. It's not going anywhere, in fact I think they are gonna be putting out banger leagues for many years to come. So it's not like POE2 is displacing POE1. personally im stoked they are doing something really different. the genre needs a shakeup. like Last Epoch is a lot of fun but its basically the exact same game as Diablo 3 just modern and better. POE2 looks to be a new paradigm and if you like the old way better thats cool.
I see why they had to separate poe1 and poe2, the playerbases might be vastly different. Seeing more gameplay of poe2 makes me realize that poe1 doesn't really feel like an action game, the content is there to test your character but not you the player. If I copy a simulacrum farmer and know how the build works, I can farm simulacrum, no questions asked. I'm carefully optimistic that GGG will deliver a banger game, but maybe it won't replace poe1 for me right away. At the end of the day, the same people that create the poe1 we love will be working on poe 2 leagues and evolution so I'm expecting the 2 games to evolve closer to each other over time
I really don't mind the fact that gameplay has been slowed down. It is obvious that GGG wants to go in a different direction and PoE2 is a perfect opportunity to do so. I just hope they stick with it, there will be 2 games for a reason and if both will end up being exactly the same then PoE2 might of as well been just a visual upgrade to PoE1 with some additional acts...
I'm super optimistic about poe2. The fact that poe1 can be a lootgambapinata and poe2 beeing more grounded, combat combo focused is awesome to me. If poe2 would be poe1 with nicer graphics it would have probably been a waste of an opportunity.
yeah especially since there are also other games doing this gameplay loop and they also do it competent now. having something REALLY new is more than i hoped for and i am beginning to really like what i see
My hand naturally goes to wasd when I put it on the keyboard. 12 years of counter-strike 1.6 and source. I'm super excited for it in PoE. Gameplay looks like Hades controls on PoE.
The only complaint I'd have about the Executioner Boss fight is how the telegraphed area for the big slam gets easily lost between the other screen effects.
I'm a PoE1 player, and i'm excited for PoE2. Looking forward to more skills, dodge/roll, and not needing to link my gear. Confused, why we can sell items for gold or shards. Although after your and others played PoE2, the Devs delayed the Open Beta, to fix the issues that you all brought up. Good job.
DONT LISTEN TO ZIZ that dude gameplay on poe 2 was atrocious how people praise him as a poe player makes me laugh the dude gets wrecked hard in poe2 game play he has no awareness
running past everything in undead burg is honestly easy once you have experience. i feel like people really underrate all the subtle muscle memory you will have 1 year into POE2. ps i should have not paused to write this comment i guess lol.
meanwhile jousis finding an exploit right away, I guess the dev team was like: we'd like it to have jousis try break all of our characters first before we go to beta.
I'm glad they're doing something different and that its not just PoE 1 in HD. I'll get to choose whether I want to zoom in PoE 1 or be more intentional in PoE 2.
tbh its really slow in poe1 too, it just gets better with proj speed, but baseline low lvl frostbolt (which is what youre seeing right now) is slow as hell in poe 1, i know cause i leveled it recently.
If you live in a world where poe1 is the only thing, much less game, that exists and therefore anything that isn't literally poe1 is automatically bad, then yes. Subtractem hates poe2.
Btw, with an uber boss at every second stage, is this still linear? Eg. the boss order will always be the same or more like an Elden Ring style boss / enemy hunting (parallel) type?
act bosses are always going to be linear but they have said that they are going to shuffle which bosses give permanent stat boosts so you wont run the campaign exactly the same every league.
I think one good idea would be for skill combos to give flask charges, since they're difficult to execute and don't give you much in return besides the big damage.
Man i'm so glad to hear stuff like "it doesn't play like PoE" or like @3:50 about the game speed. One of my main issues with PoE is that the meta is just ridiculously fast, it's as if it was artificially sped up past the point of any reason. I don't want my loaded up character to be slow, but i also don't want any of that spastic meta gameplay PoE has. It is simply not fun, feels too floaty and weightless. Also separating the playerbases means less whiny PoE manchildren in my game. Hype.
As a POE and Soul Series fan, I loved POE 2 gameplay. It is what I wished for. Of course it needs more tuning but I don't think that's a concern for now. Thanks man!
I love how you highlighted the difference between difficulty and complexity - they are not the same. Knowledge is king in PoE1. I hope they continue to tune PoE2, I'm really excited for it. OMG so sorry you were in Hollywood, it's really not a good area to be in LA.
People dont recall how slow (movement and damage) POE 1 was early on - it's taken years for the game to progress to the zoom zoom screen clearing builds we have today. Basically they've slowly ramped up the speed and damage as the game evolved. POE 2 is just resetting that back to the starting position - then as things get added over years you'll see the same progression.
sadly people change too,everyone did not have ts zoom zoom meta 10 y ago,this game will not be well received by the general population of poe,the worst part double down problem i see rn is everything is slow BUT its also weak af
@@albertgiovanno1359 Well not me. I partied up with a few zoom zoom players in POE1 before and I was like: How the HELL can you enjoy the game playing like that? POE2 feels much more engaging as of now, the only gripe I may agree with is no flask regeneration on white mob kills, but still it's not a big inconvenience for me because I like teleporting back to town to sell stuff.
I'm quite happy about all of this (with some tuning) When you get so strong you're just zooming and tp all over the maps, it's fine but you never really interact with mobs or environment or anything that way and any build that can"'t zoom like that is bad (poor melee enjoyer), so i'm happy it's different. Poe 1 is still there for these shennanigans.
I love Dark Souls gameplay, but a big appeal from DS is the simplicity of the gear and just being able to play the game without constant gear updates. If you combine longer, more difficult DS boss fights with POE's typically abysmal drop chance of items from bosses, then that means you have to farm DS-like bosses for hours on end to progress. That would be completely terrible.
yes. Mathil discusses it. Thought he would prefer mouse, ended up feeling much better WASD. I myself am hoping for controller support...never been a big fan of WASD, but we'll see!
Watching a lot of footage from this event now, i absolutly get it why they pushed back the beta. As much as i want to get my hands on this, i'd also appreaciate if any skill was at least playable without feeling misserable for taking a certain skill. I think it's pretty important to get beta already in a very good state. Won't be the best PR if people only complain that the game is just way to hard and some classes are way better than others. also, i remember back when people played D4 for the first time, everyone said "holy shit it feels so crisp and smooth". Now for PoE2 stuff people say it looks amazing and the sound is great, but no one says "gameplay feels crips/amazing". Is the gameplay lagging still or why is no one really giving it credits, as a viewer it looks as good as D4 that everyone loved (gameplay wise obviously)
@@facelessone86 That's why it's great that they've changed their mind and decided to keep PoE instead of doing PoE 2 as an "upgrade". They probably thought about how many PoE players with ADHD would cry about the gameplay speed being used to the spastic meta, in the opposite to a more strategic approach to combat PoE 2 has. It would be a disaster to force them to play this game instead of their zoomy thingy.
I'm a one-button build guy. When I saw their first trailer, I had a bad feeling about where POE2 was heading. I guess I'll just treat it as a new game that shares a common back story with POE1. I'll still go and try it, but I'm probably going to stick with POE1 most of the time.
This games going to have very fun interactions and boss mechanics, great build variety etc. for the initial launch of the game at its base it’s going to blow every other game out of the water that’s the same genre that is. Can’t wait
I played 45 minutes of POE 2 at PAX East, I chose the Sorceress as well. The graphics looked okay, the combat was interesting ur character would drift in one direction even after stopping movement. (Nobody there was using WASD) the skills all seem to interact with each other, which slowed down my clear. Town Portal was infinite. It’s almost like this is what D4 should have been. I’m quite concerned….it was ok, but I don’t think this game was made with the POE lover in mind. But I am hopeful.
30:15 honestly idk what youre talking about that damage looks totally fine in comparison to other footage ive seen (other classes), except for the ones that had really lucky gear, but then again that would be like you having a +1 cold or other wand/shield. or this early in the game, having that amount of damage actually makes the bossfights feel memorable, if youd crush all bosses like you did the devourer it would be way to easy imo. But for you that might the right pace, i thought your damage was way too high to actually really experience the mechanics, like other people that died to it did.
ive been using insane kbm binds since quake. i use my pink and my thumb for movement, so my middle 3 fingers are free to press buttons while im moving. i have 38 buttons i can press while moving in WoW with shift key(mouse button). im excited for this game. i think my crazy way of doing things will be a benefit in poe2. IF ggg doesn't pull a japanese dev move and make it so i cant bind the keys i use.
haha yeah its kind of funny listening to these ARPG vets struggle with keybinds. Play Doom Eternal for a while or WoW and you will have mastery of the keyboard.
I wished they implemented a mechanic to make this flasks situation less annoying. Idk maybe give each class a way to gain flasks beased on how often they use them. Example: sorcerer have an ability called "meditation" that allows her to recharge mana as long as she is pressing. The same with other classes but having different results. Maybe even giving them different skills such as double roll when you can't recharge flasks. Cause the way it is idk. I'm not feeling it.
Seems very ruthless like. We'll see since it is really early. The boss fights look good but a lot of tedious elements. I'll definitely try it on release though
so "multiple projectiles support" says it requires +15 dex... as in it ADDS 15 dex to the required minimum of your gem (stacking with other supports?) that might have been why it couldn't be socketed. I believe mathil or somebody mentioned that in their own video as well. it's not very obvious especially coming from PoE1 but yeah seems like that's how it works
I dont know WASD movent seems like a hard pass for me, Seems using abilities will be clunky as hell. If you use the mouse on your right had and WASD to move how do you use your skills?
my example: wasd - move space - flame dash/frost blink etc. lmb - primary skill - maybe will need to be reconsidered because of looting (maybe with alt or such) rmb - secondary skill and we still have mousewheel, mb4 & mb5... so plenty of buttons to use... and I prefer to not need more then two manualy casted skills
Have you never played a twin stick like game on pc? It feels very nice. Its not a 1 button game, and thats a good thing. You wont be spanning every one of your ablities. The ones you spam are going to be on left or right click on your mouse. The other ones are cooldowns / situational skills, pressing an extra button here and there really does not feel bad at all.
@@LarsJ1977 "I've never used it, but definitely clunky as hell" - that's how you sound I've played top-down games with WASD before (e.g Foxhole), it actually feels very good if you do it right, especially for ranged combat.
Not going to lie. THIS is how a ARPG SHOULD be. This is exactly how D1 was. The design choices here are friggin AMAZING!. omfg i can't wait for this game, Choices should matter.
I mean, your extreme bias is showing. An ARPG can come in all ways, its not "supposed" to be anything beyond exactly what the acronym stands for. A role playing game with action. Something for everyone, isn't that ok?
it really does remind me a lot of Diablo 1. The more I see the more excited I am. Also the environments and whole presentation look absolutely stunning
It's not how is should be, it's a way of doing it. They did the right thing by doing something very different, but to say this is the objectively correct direction for the game is as delusional as someone saying this objectively the wrong direction for the game
I'm excited to begin my new journey with POE 2. I've played rpg style games for as long as I can remember. (diablo 1 on a compaq presario lol /w dial up connection) I love the complexity POE 1 & 2 bring. It really keeps me engaged. Something that was hard to do for many games following diablo 2. I've been on and off with POE 1 for some time now. I started off wrong by spending real money which is something I've never done before. But it definitely ruined my experience a bit, and I'm not a afraid to admit that it was a childish mistake. However. Seeing all the creators such as yourself... really investing time and effort into it, it reminded me of what this game has for me in the future! I plan on going with a few people that are looking to delve deep into the game as much as myself. Daily play, learning as a group, no egos, etc. Keep creating... your stuff is just amazing as far as a different perspective.
I think they made a wise decision making it a different game in the same universe. That way they don't feel obligated to replicate POE which they would always be doomed to fail. Keep POE going and then bring in a fresh game. It also seems to line up with gamers like myself who take their time and end up overlevelling.
this actually got me really hyped - i was worried to have 3 - 4 games fighting for the same space in d4, poe 1 and 2 and LE and i am hyped to see this is so much different that its almost a new genre in a way and i really like it. if everything goes right we have 4 really different arpgs next year that are all worthwhile playing and feel different. what a time to live for arpg fans =) i like that the slower pace gives way more meaning to combat like status effects on bosses and positioning and what not. POE 1 got overboard for me a little with the crazy stuff (i mean there are literally builds designed to not push a single button and still clear a whole screen). This is such a fresh take that i can see myself again dumping hundreds of hours into this because no other game does what poe2 tries to do at the moment and thats exactly what poe 1 did back in the day.
My general fear I had about Path of Dark Souls is only growing after listening to your feedback and some other people's. This make me sad but it is what it is. I'm not a player that enjoys games that feel like work where the stress is 100% of the time there, andit looks like Path of Dark Souls is exactly that. I'm especially sad because it looks truly amazing GFX wise.
Exactly. There're so many improvements, like reworked gem&links system or ability to pause the game or instant buyouts, but why does it have to be a so much Dark Souls-ish?
I feel like they failed with the sorceress demo. Few other content creators also ended up just autoattacking bosses because the spells are too clunky and/or don't deal enough damage. Ranger gameplay looked much better.
I think it looks amazing! And I bet it will still feel amazing and powerful just the endgame. It’s different from POE1 but that’s why they are keeping both. When I’m craving an intentional souls/diablo 2 like game I’ll play POE. When I’m craving crazy builds I’ll play POE1 there’s not just room for this game there’s a huge gap in the ARPG genre for this exact thing. It needs work FOR SURE. But it’s in alpha.
What is used to trade with players? What's the plan there? I really hope it won't be crafting currency again because economy and crafting will be the same as in PoE 1.
Regular currency and gold. Gold will be used for buyout instant trading or you can trade the way you do now in poe1 using chaos orbs etc without requiring a gold tax. Gold itself is NOT tradable.
Ruthless in PoE1 is such a big different game than normal, the only downside to it, in my opinion, is that we get no movement skills....even if we get like Dodge as the only gem, it would attract more players... 😅
I'm personally worried about boss fights and the optimal strategy being to spam town portal when ever it's safe. Since there is no downside to using the town portal and boss fights are hard, why wouldn't you spam the shit out of it? And will this not cheapen the experience of boss fights? Since you never run out of flasks you only die do 1 shots or getting comboed. It doesn't really punish you much for taking small hits and using charges. Not to mention it's just boring to spam town portal over and over. I really hope using town portal constantly during boss fights is not optimal. Curious what others think. I wish it was just disabled and give players more flask charges.
Umm I dont like WASD in isometric games, hope this is only an option and there is a "Move only key" which works best for such games IMO. Recharging your flasks in town sounds terrible same as the gold prices, has me now concerned :/. Lets hope they dont mess this game up, was really looking forward to it.
100% agree on all counts. I played the demo, and between going back to town to refill pots, and being forced to use multiple different skills to optimize damage, it just felt arbitrarily slow. I love arpgs, but this felt like a Diablo clone. Not path of exile.
I played hardcore WoW back when 40 man raids were still a thing, having to press 5 while moving is 2nd nature xD So this isnt even close to button intensive for me. Very interested in seeing how the wasd will play like in a game like PoE 2
I believe it is the right tuning because you overlevelled lots of other people really enjoyed the hard bosses and got through them without over levelling
Looking at some other content creator, it seems that the poe1 crowd is lukewarn towards poe2, but players coming from outside (diablo fan, or maybe non arpg players) are really excited by chat they see, so if it hits it may be a big win for GGG in a different way from poe1
WASD looks really cool but I can see it being a problem later on in the game when things are faster paced. How are you pressing flasks and QERT and stuff while using WASD? Also seems like they are now designing around this which puts click to move at a disadvantage. Still very excited for this game
@@claudeducharme007 You're obviously going to be progressing your char, most people only played 1 or 2 acts. Also check out Alks gameplay, it was much faster towards the end
@@facelessone86 Well there's a zero percent chance the speed of act one is the speed of endgame. That means no character progression and they've explicitly stated that will not be the case
Well if you don't have 18 buttons on your mouse like I do, you can have your most used skills on your 3-4 mouse buttons (idk what the standard is) and then have the situational skills on qertf etc. You are not expected to use ALL your skills ALL the time.
Can't help but think that Pathfinder + old flask system would have been absolutely **CRACKED** in PoE2. "Oh, you bozos have *limited* flasks? How unfortunate for you. Now hold this endlessly regenning life flask." It also makes me think that *every* recovery mechanic will be either nonexistent (LGoH, leech), or even *more* viciously toned down. Though that said, PoE's generous life recovery mechanisms are also why so many enemies are just a case of "oh, you got hit despite 4 defensive layers? Too bad, so sad, you're dead." Regarding the executioner fight, it has a lot of echoes of A4 Kaom. Big, slow, telegraphed bozo, buuuuuut...where the heck was the ginormous "oops you got killed by a falling rock" telegraph? Is it supposed to just be an audio cue? Because I feel like this gets back to "GGG boss fights have amazing design EXCEPT for this one aspect" part. E.G. Exarch? AMAZING fight EXCEPT that f'ing ball phase. Sirus? Okay Sirus is just an awful fight all around. Shaper? AMAZING fight *EXCEPT* for the "I have you in Zana's bubble AND have a ball homing in on you." Maven fight? Again, amazing EXCEPT those speedy DoT balls that are kind of hard to tell apart from the rest of the color palette that form deadly puddles. Okay, and the memory game, but the memory game would be that much better if you didn't have to worry about the dot puddles. It feels like so many bosses have that *ONE* mechanic/move/technique that just takes them from "cool and reasonable" to "yeah, I'd rather just not engage with this and just get a build that nukes them".
People have been way way too spoiled for the past 10 years in arpgs with everything being easy. This games going to get game of the year im calling it now, mark it on the calendar.
i think we shouldn´t discuss number stuff at all. its an alpha build. we should just focus on the overall stuff. like how are the bosses, the zones the monsters atc cause this stuff can´t change in like 5 seconds of development. and they really got that stuff down. the content in the game is amazing. the flaws everyone mentiones like balance and few items and the sorc being weak etc. is stuff that can easily change during alpha and beta
> thinks gold auto-picks-up > gets 20 gold per zone Hmmmm 🤔 lol just razzing, great thoughtful takes, super excited to see more on PoE2! Edit: omg the way the video ends 😂 💀
extremely polished is budget f tier league start to poe players. if its not perfect down to the last pixel some of these captain neckbeards will lose their shit.
Things I dont like on Po2, the healing change and the damage sponge bosses, it would be ok on a separate mode, like a raid, but every boss being like that is kinda annoying, because it becomes a chore that you do while praying that the internet doesnt lag.
It feels like the poe players with 10k+ hours ingame is the least hyped for poe2. And the rest of us is suuuper hyped
Well as a 10kh+ player i'm hyped as fuck, i think the problem Is woth the dudes afraid of changes
Nah i'm the 10k+ crowd and Im giga hyped I am SICK of poe1 and want a giant changeup. Poe1 has become stagnant to me for the past 3-4 years and I really haven't liked the recent leagues.
Playing WASD in PoE 2 is hand acrobatics intensive? Yooo my 16k hours in WoW moving with WASD & having 36 keybinds is gonna have some carryover value.
Never had trouble with MMO keyboard piano, but PoE always bothered me to no end. Wasd is an ABSOLUTE win for me personally after having seen less curated gameplay content.
Never dealt with that but WASD feels so much more accurate and comfortable than click to move
@@daanstrik4293not trying to argue with you here, but how can wasd be more accurate than you clicking exactly where you want to go?
@@bakakaizoku I can visualize an answer to this question perfectly in my head, but I can't for the life of me translate it to words. I'm terrible at click to move, and would do infinitely better in PoE 1 with WASD.
@@bakakaizoku Honestly, poor word choice on my end.
By accurate I mean how much control one has over the character. Being able to aim and walk at the same time being the main thing. Being able to control whether I reach the location by going up, down or sideways rather than relying on the characters pathfinding. That sort of thing
I'm actually excited because POE2 is not POE 1 2 Electric Boogaloo. It means there's still reason to play original POE and I think it speaks to an intention to not let either drop off
yep i was skeptical about the split and the "poe1 will keep going"
but with Mark in charge of POE1 I actually think they can pull it off. I love the mindset he is bringing to POE1. Necropolis league sounds awesome. So I'm starting to really believe they can actually do it, have both games running and be great.
Yeah if its actually pretty rad we'll have 3 great ARPGs to choose from when it gets dropped. POE1 AND 2 and Last Epoch. Hope the seasons of the 3 games are staggered so I can play a bit of each.
Totally agree
I see why a lot of PoE players seem skeptical but as a FromSoft and D2 fan that's just what I personally was dreaming of in new installment, it's really reminding me how I saw and felt D2 as a kid and how Souls feels when you're completely new to it. Don't need to zoom past everything but want to actually encounter stuff, not blowing entire screens every 0.5 seconds. Which will probably still be a thing, just not to current extend.
This is how I feel aswell, I love current poe but despise the amount of power creep and speed.
PoE 2 looks amazing to me as a grim dawn, d2 enjoyer.
PoE right now is too fast, but almost no one likes ruthless. Keep that in mind
im gonna go ahead and disagree with you there, being slower is fine to being slower to the point of not getting flask charges without going back to town just sounds like them trying to force ruthless back, which absolutely nobody likes
@@patrickdesjardins9278 no one like ruthless because the game wasnt built around ruthless.
PoE 2 is a completely different situation, so you need to also keep that in mind.
plus the future of POE1 looks bright with Mark at the helm. It's not going anywhere, in fact I think they are gonna be putting out banger leagues for many years to come. So it's not like POE2 is displacing POE1.
personally im stoked they are doing something really different. the genre needs a shakeup. like Last Epoch is a lot of fun but its basically the exact same game as Diablo 3 just modern and better. POE2 looks to be a new paradigm and if you like the old way better thats cool.
I see why they had to separate poe1 and poe2, the playerbases might be vastly different. Seeing more gameplay of poe2 makes me realize that poe1 doesn't really feel like an action game, the content is there to test your character but not you the player. If I copy a simulacrum farmer and know how the build works, I can farm simulacrum, no questions asked.
I'm carefully optimistic that GGG will deliver a banger game, but maybe it won't replace poe1 for me right away. At the end of the day, the same people that create the poe1 we love will be working on poe 2 leagues and evolution so I'm expecting the 2 games to evolve closer to each other over time
100% agree
Lol “I’ve been to Montreal and that place smells like piiiiiss” 🤣
One helluva sign off
Slower style of PoE 2 looks very nice change of pace imo.
I really don't mind the fact that gameplay has been slowed down. It is obvious that GGG wants to go in a different direction and PoE2 is a perfect opportunity to do so. I just hope they stick with it, there will be 2 games for a reason and if both will end up being exactly the same then PoE2 might of as well been just a visual upgrade to PoE1 with some additional acts...
Hope they don't chicken out and ruin the game trying to cater to POE1 methheads.
man this shit is literally what i want in a game fucking dark souls with a poe twist
Thanks man! I really enjoy your content and the fact that you seem to be very honest in such reviews!
I'm super optimistic about poe2. The fact that poe1 can be a lootgambapinata and poe2 beeing more grounded, combat combo focused is awesome to me. If poe2 would be poe1 with nicer graphics it would have probably been a waste of an opportunity.
yeah especially since there are also other games doing this gameplay loop and they also do it competent now. having something REALLY new is more than i hoped for and i am beginning to really like what i see
Players that speedrun campaign when they see Act 1 gameplay:
My hand naturally goes to wasd when I put it on the keyboard. 12 years of counter-strike 1.6 and source. I'm super excited for it in PoE. Gameplay looks like Hades controls on PoE.
The only complaint I'd have about the Executioner Boss fight is how the telegraphed area for the big slam gets easily lost between the other screen effects.
I'm a PoE1 player, and i'm excited for PoE2. Looking forward to more skills, dodge/roll, and not needing to link my gear. Confused, why we can sell items for gold or shards.
Although after your and others played PoE2, the Devs delayed the Open Beta, to fix the issues that you all brought up. Good job.
i rly like the combat and the dark art
It’s interesting how you speak about it in this darksouls frame and ziz speaks about it more like actual Poe 1 after he played the ranger
DONT LISTEN TO ZIZ that dude
gameplay on poe 2 was atrocious
how people praise him as a poe player makes me laugh the dude gets wrecked hard in poe2 game play he has no awareness
POE2 gameplay looks like exactly what I want!@@LPJMANGA
running past everything in undead burg is honestly easy once you have experience. i feel like people really underrate all the subtle muscle memory you will have 1 year into POE2.
ps i should have not paused to write this comment i guess lol.
Muscle memory or carpal tunnel
meanwhile jousis finding an exploit right away, I guess the dev team was like: we'd like it to have jousis try break all of our characters first before we go to beta.
I mean, its Jousis.
Beta or not he’s always looking for a way to exploit mechanics. And he usually succeeds
@@daanstrik4293 he found an exploit within an hour, GGG should be happy if they can limit the tte (time to exploit) to 4-5 hours for jousis.
Hey. How's bane pop occultist?
I remember playing it once and loved it. Was wondering, if it's still usable.
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I’m excited for this, as a hardcore only player it seems this will be heaven. But I wonder will they continue with poe1 content after this comes out?
I'm glad they're doing something different and that its not just PoE 1 in HD. I'll get to choose whether I want to zoom in PoE 1 or be more intentional in PoE 2.
'Frostbolt' looks more like frost slow moving ball lol
tbh its really slow in poe1 too, it just gets better with proj speed, but baseline low lvl frostbolt (which is what youre seeing right now) is slow as hell in poe 1, i know cause i leveled it recently.
what year is that gibson? also interested in the guitar behind it :)
Is it weird to change my wasd controls to sdfg instead so I can hit my flasks and abilities?
Let me translate.
Subtractem hates PoE2, but he is afraid to say it because he is a PoE fanboi.
Its fine if you dont like PoE2.
That's the vibe I got, I wouldn't say fanboy though. Hes a content creator so he is just being cautious and careful wtih what he says.
If you live in a world where poe1 is the only thing, much less game, that exists and therefore anything that isn't literally poe1 is automatically bad, then yes. Subtractem hates poe2.
Btw, with an uber boss at every second stage, is this still linear?
Eg. the boss order will always be the same or more like an Elden Ring style boss / enemy hunting (parallel) type?
act bosses are always going to be linear but they have said that they are going to shuffle which bosses give permanent stat boosts so you wont run the campaign exactly the same every league.
I think one good idea would be for skill combos to give flask charges, since they're difficult to execute and don't give you much in return besides the big damage.
Could the gmp possibly be because of the dexterity requirement? It seems like all the new support gems have stat requirements now
Man i'm so glad to hear stuff like "it doesn't play like PoE" or like @3:50 about the game speed. One of my main issues with PoE is that the meta is just ridiculously fast, it's as if it was artificially sped up past the point of any reason. I don't want my loaded up character to be slow, but i also don't want any of that spastic meta gameplay PoE has. It is simply not fun, feels too floaty and weightless. Also separating the playerbases means less whiny PoE manchildren in my game. Hype.
Ive just started the game this month. Going between my level 80 char and a level 1 char is like watching a youtube video on x2 speed 😂
This looks and sound sick!
Some obvious balance issues, cant wait for launch.
As a POE and Soul Series fan, I loved POE 2 gameplay. It is what I wished for. Of course it needs more tuning but I don't think that's a concern for now. Thanks man!
Watching Waggle's video of playing Sorc made me fall in love with this.. they definitely need to make it so you can take any gem though
I love how you highlighted the difference between difficulty and complexity - they are not the same. Knowledge is king in PoE1. I hope they continue to tune PoE2, I'm really excited for it.
OMG so sorry you were in Hollywood, it's really not a good area to be in LA.
It smells like piss!
People dont recall how slow (movement and damage) POE 1 was early on - it's taken years for the game to progress to the zoom zoom screen clearing builds we have today. Basically they've slowly ramped up the speed and damage as the game evolved.
POE 2 is just resetting that back to the starting position - then as things get added over years you'll see the same progression.
sadly people change too,everyone did not have ts zoom zoom meta 10 y ago,this game will not be well received by the general population of poe,the worst part double down problem i see rn is everything is slow BUT its also weak af
I really don't like todays poe, I personally want slow gameplay. POE 2 seems interesting more.
Isnt true, frenzy builds (with the old frenzy skill) was superfast in the closed beta before the launch.
@@albertgiovanno1359 Well not me. I partied up with a few zoom zoom players in POE1 before and I was like: How the HELL can you enjoy the game playing like that?
POE2 feels much more engaging as of now, the only gripe I may agree with is no flask regeneration on white mob kills, but still it's not a big inconvenience for me because I like teleporting back to town to sell stuff.
I'm quite happy about all of this (with some tuning) When you get so strong you're just zooming and tp all over the maps, it's fine but you never really interact with mobs or environment or anything that way and any build that can"'t zoom like that is bad (poor melee enjoyer), so i'm happy it's different. Poe 1 is still there for these shennanigans.
I love Dark Souls gameplay, but a big appeal from DS is the simplicity of the gear and just being able to play the game without constant gear updates. If you combine longer, more difficult DS boss fights with POE's typically abysmal drop chance of items from bosses, then that means you have to farm DS-like bosses for hours on end to progress. That would be completely terrible.
From what I've seen is that you actually have a dodge mechanic like in dark souls not the typical flame dash.
I meeean, we can just play more of poe 1 while waiting for poe 2?
Can you turn off "wsad" movement? And play as in poe1?
yes. Mathil discusses it. Thought he would prefer mouse, ended up feeling much better WASD. I myself am hoping for controller support...never been a big fan of WASD, but we'll see!
@@seapeajones I played wsad isometric game and it's not my style... Imagine play Lol on wsad...
Watching a lot of footage from this event now, i absolutly get it why they pushed back the beta. As much as i want to get my hands on this, i'd also appreaciate if any skill was at least playable without feeling misserable for taking a certain skill. I think it's pretty important to get beta already in a very good state. Won't be the best PR if people only complain that the game is just way to hard and some classes are way better than others.
also, i remember back when people played D4 for the first time, everyone said "holy shit it feels so crisp and smooth". Now for PoE2 stuff people say it looks amazing and the sound is great, but no one says "gameplay feels crips/amazing". Is the gameplay lagging still or why is no one really giving it credits, as a viewer it looks as good as D4 that everyone loved (gameplay wise obviously)
From what I've seen the gameplay looks amazing. I think people are just upset about no zoom zoom.
@@facelessone86 That's why it's great that they've changed their mind and decided to keep PoE instead of doing PoE 2 as an "upgrade". They probably thought about how many PoE players with ADHD would cry about the gameplay speed being used to the spastic meta, in the opposite to a more strategic approach to combat PoE 2 has. It would be a disaster to force them to play this game instead of their zoomy thingy.
I love the look of this tbh. I mean, tuning needed. But I'm so ready for POE but with fights that are actually more difficult mechanics wise.
I'm a one-button build guy. When I saw their first trailer, I had a bad feeling about where POE2 was heading. I guess I'll just treat it as a new game that shares a common back story with POE1. I'll still go and try it, but I'm probably going to stick with POE1 most of the time.
This games going to have very fun interactions and boss mechanics, great build variety etc. for the initial launch of the game at its base it’s going to blow every other game out of the water that’s the same genre that is. Can’t wait
I think WASD will finally be my time to shine using my Razer Tartarus. WASD all on your thumb will be the best way to play I think
I played 45 minutes of POE 2 at PAX East, I chose the Sorceress as well. The graphics looked okay, the combat was interesting ur character would drift in one direction even after stopping movement. (Nobody there was using WASD) the skills all seem to interact with each other, which slowed down my clear. Town Portal was infinite.
It’s almost like this is what D4 should have been. I’m quite concerned….it was ok, but I don’t think this game was made with the POE lover in mind. But I am hopeful.
Hmm I think I might end up mostly sticking with POE 1. Still excited to play 2 though!
I'm sad POE2 Beta is delayed, but man this game looks SO good. I can't wait to play.
30:15 honestly idk what youre talking about that damage looks totally fine in comparison to other footage ive seen (other classes), except for the ones that had really lucky gear, but then again that would be like you having a +1 cold or other wand/shield.
or this early in the game, having that amount of damage actually makes the bossfights feel memorable, if youd crush all bosses like you did the devourer it would be way to easy imo. But for you that might the right pace, i thought your damage was way too high to actually really experience the mechanics, like other people that died to it did.
What is he on about being 8/10 exited when we can clearly see that he is 10/10 exited :DDD
where did he exit to?
@@awemowe2830into the missing sea.
Not the vibe I got from the video at all...
Feels a lot like D2, nice. Lets just hope, they'll make it complex towards endgame
using the Azeron cyborg for wasd (joystick) and the button, will be much easier than keyboard :)
Wooo for new
ive been using insane kbm binds since quake. i use my pink and my thumb for movement, so my middle 3 fingers are free to press buttons while im moving. i have 38 buttons i can press while moving in WoW with shift key(mouse button). im excited for this game. i think my crazy way of doing things will be a benefit in poe2. IF ggg doesn't pull a japanese dev move and make it so i cant bind the keys i use.
haha yeah its kind of funny listening to these ARPG vets struggle with keybinds. Play Doom Eternal for a while or WoW and you will have mastery of the keyboard.
This discourse is both enlightening and empowering, fueling my desire for knowledge and growth.💞
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I wished they implemented a mechanic to make this flasks situation less annoying. Idk maybe give each class a way to gain flasks beased on how often they use them. Example: sorcerer have an ability called "meditation" that allows her to recharge mana as long as she is pressing. The same with other classes but having different results. Maybe even giving them different skills such as double roll when you can't recharge flasks. Cause the way it is idk. I'm not feeling it.
Seems very ruthless like. We'll see since it is really early. The boss fights look good but a lot of tedious elements. I'll definitely try it on release though
Ruthless is great. I'd take that as the base game for POE2.
so "multiple projectiles support" says it requires +15 dex... as in it ADDS 15 dex to the required minimum of your gem (stacking with other supports?)
that might have been why it couldn't be socketed. I believe mathil or somebody mentioned that in their own video as well. it's not very obvious especially coming from PoE1 but yeah seems like that's how it works
I dont know WASD movent seems like a hard pass for me, Seems using abilities will be clunky as hell. If you use the mouse on your right had and WASD to move how do you use your skills?
my example:
wasd - move
space - flame dash/frost blink etc.
lmb - primary skill - maybe will need to be reconsidered because of looting (maybe with alt or such)
rmb - secondary skill
and we still have mousewheel, mb4 & mb5... so plenty of buttons to use... and I prefer to not need more then two manualy casted skills
Everyone at GGG have changed to wasd playstyle, everyone at the event says wasd was awesome, but yeah you are probably right. Clunky as hell.
Have you never played a twin stick like game on pc?
It feels very nice. Its not a 1 button game, and thats a good thing.
You wont be spanning every one of your ablities. The ones you spam are going to be on left or right click on your mouse.
The other ones are cooldowns / situational skills, pressing an extra button here and there really does not feel bad at all.
@@LarsJ1977 "I've never used it, but definitely clunky as hell" - that's how you sound
I've played top-down games with WASD before (e.g Foxhole), it actually feels very good if you do it right, especially for ranged combat.
@@SleepyGaming-ie9fb I was making fun of him, but don't worry about it, sarcasm is easy to miss in written form. Have a great day buddy! :)
if they can pull of a merge of Dark Sould and Poe 1 , it will be the greatest game ever.
Not going to lie. THIS is how a ARPG SHOULD be. This is exactly how D1 was. The design choices here are friggin AMAZING!. omfg i can't wait for this game, Choices should matter.
I mean, your extreme bias is showing. An ARPG can come in all ways, its not "supposed" to be anything beyond exactly what the acronym stands for. A role playing game with action. Something for everyone, isn't that ok?
it really does remind me a lot of Diablo 1. The more I see the more excited I am. Also the environments and whole presentation look absolutely stunning
It's not how is should be, it's a way of doing it. They did the right thing by doing something very different, but to say this is the objectively correct direction for the game is as delusional as someone saying this objectively the wrong direction for the game
I'm so playing this on a controller xD
I'm excited to begin my new journey with POE 2.
I've played rpg style games for as long as I can remember. (diablo 1 on a compaq presario lol /w dial up connection)
I love the complexity POE 1 & 2 bring. It really keeps me engaged. Something that was hard to do for many games following diablo 2.
I've been on and off with POE 1 for some time now. I started off wrong by spending real money which is something I've never done before.
But it definitely ruined my experience a bit, and I'm not a afraid to admit that it was a childish mistake.
However. Seeing all the creators such as yourself... really investing time and effort into it, it reminded me of what this game has for me in the future!
I plan on going with a few people that are looking to delve deep into the game as much as myself. Daily play, learning as a group, no egos, etc.
Keep creating... your stuff is just amazing as far as a different perspective.
the leachim6 guy in chat is so annoying holy shit. But good video to talk about everything very open
Glad I wasn't the only one who felt this hahaha, wish I watched this live so I could flame his ass. Such narrow minded comments/takes LOL
"GGG HATES WHEN WE HAVE FUN!" lol like dude what are you saying, he's off it.
@@stallionmouse Toxic fans are the worst.
I think they made a wise decision making it a different game in the same universe. That way they don't feel obligated to replicate POE which they would always be doomed to fail. Keep POE going and then bring in a fresh game. It also seems to line up with gamers like myself who take their time and end up overlevelling.
this actually got me really hyped - i was worried to have 3 - 4 games fighting for the same space in d4, poe 1 and 2 and LE and i am hyped to see this is so much different that its almost a new genre in a way and i really like it. if everything goes right we have 4 really different arpgs next year that are all worthwhile playing and feel different. what a time to live for arpg fans =)
i like that the slower pace gives way more meaning to combat like status effects on bosses and positioning and what not. POE 1 got overboard for me a little with the crazy stuff (i mean there are literally builds designed to not push a single button and still clear a whole screen). This is such a fresh take that i can see myself again dumping hundreds of hours into this because no other game does what poe2 tries to do at the moment and thats exactly what poe 1 did back in the day.
My general fear I had about Path of Dark Souls is only growing after listening to your feedback and some other people's. This make me sad but it is what it is. I'm not a player that enjoys games that feel like work where the stress is 100% of the time there, andit looks like Path of Dark Souls is exactly that. I'm especially sad because it looks truly amazing GFX wise.
Exactly. There're so many improvements, like reworked gem&links system or ability to pause the game or instant buyouts, but why does it have to be a so much Dark Souls-ish?
I wonder how this will feel on controller. I play PoE with controller and my friend thinks im crazy but honestly it feels really good lol
I feel like they failed with the sorceress demo. Few other content creators also ended up just autoattacking bosses because the spells are too clunky and/or don't deal enough damage. Ranger gameplay looked much better.
Agreed here. Glad theyre taking more time cos it seems classes need a lot more work to guarantee fun and unique flavour
We still don't know how crazy the endgame on poe2, is it like poe1 or just really different?
From the sound of it Im not sure even GGG knows at this point
Lets hope endgame is closer to the pace shown here.
I think it looks amazing! And I bet it will still feel amazing and powerful just the endgame. It’s different from POE1 but that’s why they are keeping both. When I’m craving an intentional souls/diablo 2 like game I’ll play POE. When I’m craving crazy builds I’ll play POE1 there’s not just room for this game there’s a huge gap in the ARPG genre for this exact thing. It needs work FOR SURE. But it’s in alpha.
but you forgot he made the game more challenging for you guys he had game buff up
What is used to trade with players? What's the plan there? I really hope it won't be crafting currency again because economy and crafting will be the same as in PoE 1.
gold?
Regular currency and gold. Gold will be used for buyout instant trading or you can trade the way you do now in poe1 using chaos orbs etc without requiring a gold tax. Gold itself is NOT tradable.
Ruthless in PoE1 is such a big different game than normal, the only downside to it, in my opinion, is that we get no movement skills....even if we get like Dodge as the only gem, it would attract more players... 😅
Honestly don't even remember playing poe1 with movement skills at this point.
I'm personally worried about boss fights and the optimal strategy being to spam town portal when ever it's safe. Since there is no downside to using the town portal and boss fights are hard, why wouldn't you spam the shit out of it? And will this not cheapen the experience of boss fights? Since you never run out of flasks you only die do 1 shots or getting comboed. It doesn't really punish you much for taking small hits and using charges.
Not to mention it's just boring to spam town portal over and over. I really hope using town portal constantly during boss fights is not optimal. Curious what others think. I wish it was just disabled and give players more flask charges.
It seems like town portals reset the areas so its only really a oh shit im gonna die option
Umm I dont like WASD in isometric games, hope this is only an option and there is a "Move only key" which works best for such games IMO. Recharging your flasks in town sounds terrible same as the gold prices, has me now concerned :/. Lets hope they dont mess this game up, was really looking forward to it.
100% agree on all counts. I played the demo, and between going back to town to refill pots, and being forced to use multiple different skills to optimize damage, it just felt arbitrarily slow. I love arpgs, but this felt like a Diablo clone. Not path of exile.
Really hope they disappoint you here, because I feel the exact opposite.@@jayson546
who turns off the music in POE.... the music is so good
holy, this shit looks beautiful. It's like Diablo 2 modernised.
I played hardcore WoW back when 40 man raids were still a thing, having to press 5 while moving is 2nd nature xD So this isnt even close to button intensive for me. Very interested in seeing how the wasd will play like in a game like PoE 2
yoo that video explanation for skills would be amazing for newer players. insteaad of them youtubing what the skill does
I believe it is the right tuning because you overlevelled lots of other people really enjoyed the hard bosses and got through them without over levelling
Looking at some other content creator, it seems that the poe1 crowd is lukewarn towards poe2, but players coming from outside (diablo fan, or maybe non arpg players) are really excited by chat they see, so if it hits it may be a big win for GGG in a different way from poe1
GGG already has POE1 players souls forever. Time to get new souls!
they made a mistake naming it path of exile 2 when they were going to differ so much from the first game
WASD looks really cool but I can see it being a problem later on in the game when things are faster paced. How are you pressing flasks and QERT and stuff while using WASD? Also seems like they are now designing around this which puts click to move at a disadvantage. Still very excited for this game
Why would you assume it’s faster paced later game?
@@claudeducharme007 You're obviously going to be progressing your char, most people only played 1 or 2 acts. Also check out Alks gameplay, it was much faster towards the end
Hopefully the game doesn't speed up. The speeding shown here would be great for the whole game.
@@facelessone86 Well there's a zero percent chance the speed of act one is the speed of endgame. That means no character progression and they've explicitly stated that will not be the case
Well if you don't have 18 buttons on your mouse like I do, you can have your most used skills on your 3-4 mouse buttons (idk what the standard is) and then have the situational skills on qertf etc. You are not expected to use ALL your skills ALL the time.
It makes sense that you would have no mana while fighting Draven
Can't help but think that Pathfinder + old flask system would have been absolutely **CRACKED** in PoE2. "Oh, you bozos have *limited* flasks? How unfortunate for you. Now hold this endlessly regenning life flask."
It also makes me think that *every* recovery mechanic will be either nonexistent (LGoH, leech), or even *more* viciously toned down. Though that said, PoE's generous life recovery mechanisms are also why so many enemies are just a case of "oh, you got hit despite 4 defensive layers? Too bad, so sad, you're dead."
Regarding the executioner fight, it has a lot of echoes of A4 Kaom. Big, slow, telegraphed bozo, buuuuuut...where the heck was the ginormous "oops you got killed by a falling rock" telegraph? Is it supposed to just be an audio cue? Because I feel like this gets back to "GGG boss fights have amazing design EXCEPT for this one aspect" part.
E.G. Exarch? AMAZING fight EXCEPT that f'ing ball phase. Sirus? Okay Sirus is just an awful fight all around. Shaper? AMAZING fight *EXCEPT* for the "I have you in Zana's bubble AND have a ball homing in on you."
Maven fight? Again, amazing EXCEPT those speedy DoT balls that are kind of hard to tell apart from the rest of the color palette that form deadly puddles. Okay, and the memory game, but the memory game would be that much better if you didn't have to worry about the dot puddles.
It feels like so many bosses have that *ONE* mechanic/move/technique that just takes them from "cool and reasonable" to "yeah, I'd rather just not engage with this and just get a build that nukes them".
People have been way way too spoiled for the past 10 years in arpgs with everything being easy. This games going to get game of the year im calling it now, mark it on the calendar.
Was it a beta or alpha?
i think we shouldn´t discuss number stuff at all. its an alpha build. we should just focus on the overall stuff. like how are the bosses, the zones the monsters atc cause this stuff can´t change in like 5 seconds of development. and they really got that stuff down. the content in the game is amazing. the flaws everyone mentiones like balance and few items and the sorc being weak etc. is stuff that can easily change during alpha and beta
It really feels like they are designing a great single player game but not a game I want to grind for 500+ hours a league.
If Blizzard North existed in 2024, this is the game they would of made.
Seems like everyone enjoyed it broadly but the flask/portal/fountain stuff really blows
I like how it is setup so far. Flasks should be something you have to manage and running out should have a penalty.
Pushing the game back a year every year is just one of those why even advertise at this point the hype will be gone before it ever releases.
Not every city smells like piss
> thinks gold auto-picks-up
> gets 20 gold per zone
Hmmmm 🤔
lol just razzing, great thoughtful takes, super excited to see more on PoE2!
Edit: omg the way the video ends 😂 💀
Yo POE2 looks like Ruthless
I generally don't like "perfectionist" dev approaches but I understand that they need to make an extremely polished first impression with PoE2
extremely polished is budget f tier league start to poe players. if its not perfect down to the last pixel some of these captain neckbeards will lose their shit.
Yeah that's the sad part, they still keep treating PoE2 like it's the same game, it really isn't@@r2Kd0ugernaut
Things I dont like on Po2, the healing change and the damage sponge bosses, it would be ok on a separate mode, like a raid, but every boss being like that is kinda annoying, because it becomes a chore that you do while praying that the internet doesnt lag.
what a way to end the video