Tonewinner d6000 seems to be another sub that could be included in this conversation, one channel said it outperformed the svs at half the price or so. Probably from china, but a very well put together design overall. Another one that needs more attention is starke as a budget sub can get into 15" ported for quite cheap.
The best part about Tonewinner and all the above, all made in China. So I might as well go direct haha. I'm going to checkout their D6000 with current blackfriday sales on our country.
Great Video. Really showed off some of the details that I wanted to see. Thanks. Loving my new Klipsch rp-1400 and Denon avr. This just makes me appreciate it all the more.
I have two SVS Ultra 13 subs that i bought over 10 years ago and they weigh 90 lbs each! I really like that SVS has an upgrade path I did their upgraded plate amp Now it has SVS Subwoofer DSP and control smartphone app • 1,200 watts RMS, 4,000+ watts Peak power amplifier with fully discrete MOSFET output
Awesome vid, well the Klipsch is still excellent for the money, theres a big difference on electronics involved on the Svs, a lot more power, Dsp is excellent, the app and so on. Finally it all comes down to budget. Both excellent.
I have quad svs subs . 2 sb4000s in the rear and 2 sb16 ultras up front. The 4000s are directly behind my recliner 2 in ches away for tactile feel. I'm very happy with my setup .
I love your videos man.. hats off. I own 3 SVS PB16 Ultra's and love them dearly. I have to get my nightly fix of SPL's like an addict..lol. Bass is really addicting :)
Great video my friend thank you very much !!🍺cheers👍WOW I'm watching again and just noticed the camera is shaking when the S.V.S is playing again great video but the clear winner here is the svs and I may add I also do own the RP1600 as we'll, but it is what it is S.V.S The Winner 😊😊 😎
@@kkenmmac22 I would agree with you if they were rear firing ports however that this the beauty of both these subs they can be placed closer to the wall without wall amplification.
@@thedynamicd85 they do to some degree but forward firing vs rear firing change this drastically. Subs and speakers both. Closed baffle also has some issues but even still less than ported. I will have to agree to totally disagree with you on this.
Before I even watch this I will point out my observation on the port(s) output demo... #1 even if both sub port have the same port area, the fact the SVS has it subdivided into 3 focuses that output much more than the Klipsch. #2 the SVS has its output forced through 2 of its 3 ports, adding 33% more output to each. #3 IF the port heights are observed, the SVS are.much higher off the floor. Adding far more air pressure higher on the object making it far more likely to topple! The fact the Klipsch managed to slide the object, meaning it pushed its entire weight rather than toppling it, might be even more impressive.
I just got two of the 1400sw to replace my dual SVS PB-1000 and they are out of this world. They are insane even with the gain at only 5. Playing A quiet place and my house door about to explode open. and they push so much air like two floor fans blowing at you.
I love your personal opinion and it puts things into perspective. In dollar price, they are not that far off. However, in rands something happens to import stuff.
Great video. I saw your previous videos Klipsch vs SVS because I have SVS PB1000 and I'm thinking about changing it. My speakers are Klipsch and with this new subs RP series I was thinking about it. Especially considering that they are much cheaper than SVS and I can get RP1400SW for the money of PB2000 (the pro version is more expensive though). A bigger woofer will make a difference. But thanks to you I will remain loyal to SVS You make great videos, keep it up. Regards
The fact that it is one meter away in positioning is a huge deal, though. Sub placement in the room is extremely crucial. I realize moving the subs around between tests isn't easy, but you were still no listening to the same thing. If I move my head in the couch one meter the subs in my room sound completely different.
With the waterbottle you are comparing the speed of air. But lower speed is better, because it's less audible (as an sound artifact), as long as they provide the same SPL.
After having PB16s, I built 2 18" Ultimax subs in GSG martycube enclosures and honestly the Ultimaxes are way better, deeper, and way cheaper. Go DIY for your subs
I like my Klipsch Cinema 600 soundbar. I will need to add surround speakers at some time, as I didn't get the 5.1 kit but the 3.1. I will also want to swap out the sub with an RP maybe the 12 at some time. My current sub is actually doing good if it's in the corner. So placement is still important. Great demo of the subs. The SVS sounds great, as does the Klipsch. SVS might seem to hit harder, but I'm still liking the Klipsch RP, especially since there's a price difference between them. Context, I'm in an efficiency apartment, so I think anything over the 12 is overkill. Which can be fine to go overkill sometimes, but in this case it'll mean I have to dial back the sub too much.
Great video & totally agree with your opinion. You get what you pay for, and SVS uses much higher quality components. If you look at both manufacturers drivers, removed from their cabinets, you will immediately see how anemic the 1600SW driver is compared to SVS. Stamped steel basket on the Klipsch versus SVS cast aluminum for strength & regidity. Put quality components together, and it shows in the final product. This from an SVS sub that's almost eight 😮 years old! Can't wait to see the new subs they have in R&D. 🤤
19:00 The "wobble" you describe here is not actually happening. This is a video optical phenomena that you will only see on screen. It's because when the driver moves at the same frequency as the frame rate of your screen (or the frame rate of the video), it will only look like it is "warping" because of how the picture on your screen is updated and the way that digital cameras record video (from the top to the bottom, one line at the time). The phenomena you see is called "rolling shutter effect". If you want to know more about it you can google that term.
the same BS i seen in the guy with two 33" subs and the image blurs is total BS clickbait , ether using software vibration , camera attached to tripod with bass shaker so it be in sync with the other subs , get the idea ? otherwise i not seen any past videos of subs or those car hi-fi ones with the distortion , sure car fixings vibrate but not the actual ripple transparent blur effect , movies create illusion , tv creates lies and now youtubers sub heads now looking for new gimmick to BS to get $clickbait
I really enjoys your video's and appreciate all your hard work.Glad to hear your reaping some rewards with your channel getting more likes and subs.I have subbed.Hello from Canada,where are you?
I heard on Youthman’s podcast that Klipsch told him the RP-1600sw is meant to go head to head with the SVS pb4000. According to him Klipsch has another sub that will compete with the SVS PB 16 Ultra ,that they are currently developing.
I am always concerned about home theatres in apartments, how do you fully enjoy the audio in an apartment without disturbing your neighbours? I have just competed my Klipsch speaker collection, with 3 x 12 inch subs and I am looking to install it very soon.
@@blackapino4life i also have a dual pb3000 and im thinking adding either pb16 or klipsch 1600. How do you like the 1400 compared to pb3000? You mentioned being louder do you mean like deeper bass?
Bro you can’t compare an 1600€ Klipsch sub with an 3500-4000€ Svs subwoofer, that is obviously way better in all points. I think even 2 Klipsch couldn’t compete with one single Pb 16. But great Video 👌👌
Hello, it has nothing to do with the subwoofer. but since you know both models, monitor audio silver or Klipsch 8000f-II for movies? system 5,1 with two pb3000 svs Thanks for your vídeo
The Klipsch is going to be way better for music but I hate to tell you this but Klipsch is having problems with some of the Rp1600 subwoofers @ this time this guy has a dead one on,his hands as well after this video.I also had a Rp1600 go dead on me so please buy with care .Tone winer is a New big boy on the block to check out good luck shopping around if you would like to see,a video of what happened to my Klipsch Subwoofer RP1600 please let me know cheers 🍺👍🍺
Awesome video my uncle have that 16" svs but he doesnt use it, its always unplugged i have no heard it, he says he likes to hear music without a sub... i dont understand why any1 would buy such an expensive sub and not use it...
Two years ago - I was facing an issue on deciding which sub to go with between SVS PB16U or this Klipsch.. I took a gamble and went SVS.. Never regretted it.. So I brought a 2nd PB16U... You want to say earthquake in a box!!
Technically both designs are affected by less than optimal port cross sectional area for driver swept volume. Commercial consumer audio is literally all about the compromises per msrp! The SVS blowing over a plastic bottle at half XMax is not necessary a good thing! Audition gear in person, and see what tickles your auditory pickle!
Funnily enough you simply sat on the speakers is a big help lol Gives me an idea of the largest size I'll be able to get away with with the wife l I think the Rw1200 is the limit on size & goes down very low on frequency to 16.5 Hz that is my main requirement. I imagine the 14 & 16 are just louder & more poweful. I'll be using mine for hi fi more than cinema. Are these good hi fi subs too?
@homecinemaking397 thanks for that. It it because sealed are faster on transients? Not sure a sealed sub will go as low on Hz. If one's listening to organ music as I often do, then organ bass pipes have slow attack times. So slower speaker but with deeper frequency response is probably better. Will check out what sealed subs will go down to Hz wise
Jesus that klipsch sub housing is massive compared to the SVS and that's already big enough.. I can't imagine having two of these in my house taking up so much floor space.. lol😂..
Rp1600sw great value for what you get, but agree that SVS stil tops on output and performance. PB16 needs another competitor. Whats happening to Velodyne, especially in SA? Still around or not?
First minute of viewing I thought, hmmmm, what kind of test is this? One out in the room, one getting lots of gain from the front wall.........not very fair. Next time, if the reviewer is having difficulty moving those things, there SHOULD have been help on hand!
SVS is more detailed the klipsch is cheap here and the klipsch is way louder than the SVS from a value standpoint the klipsch is a no brainer and u wouldn’t notice the difference in detail unless u listening to both
I was just wondering why you have your centre channel placed inside the cabinet. After all, isn't there room on top? IDK if you know this, but the way you currently have your centre channel, the virtual effects are pretty limited.
This room changes every week so i have different places to put speakers. This one just happens to be in the cabinet. There was not always room on top, we just recently put that tv up.
The Monolith 16 is a significant step up over the PB16 Ultra in output. Bigger driver though. They list it as a 16, but in reality it measures out to 18.
Klipsch is what you buy at walmart or old skool circuit city stores. They are made for momma and dadda who want something cheap. It is what it is. I have klipsch the sevens for my pc, but for my living room home setup, I will not buy klipsch anything. SVS, HSU and other brands are made for audio quality. Klipsch literally sells these subs at walmart. Good luck. Whatever you get, enjoy it. You do not need to have the best. Just get what makes you happy and move on. Stop comparing yourself to others.
Nice demo, I do disagree with you on one thing. The klipsch is limited in application and control where has the SVS shines in this as well as performance. I would take a single SVS over 4 Klipsch due to this alone. I have 3 systems and am always trying new things and some of this involves vintage systems that I need a line level in out connection. Klipsch does not have this. Before you say it yes I could y adapt them and do it that way but, I prefer not to. For me it is just a obsession. I really did not like the klipsch at all to me they sounded much more muddy than the svs even on mild bass like you said the heart beat. I could clearly hear it on svs and through my computer speakers I could not make it out at all in the klipsch too much mud.
@@homecinemaking397 I personally do not feel that multiplying a lesser performing speaker does anything to make them perform better. As I stated the features of the SVS blow away the Klipsch completely. When it comes to price points features can be a reason I might spend more for a item. If the Klipsch did not obviously lose this comparison then yes I would jump in head first on them because value for buck but, wait, does not have feature that I need for my applications, nope still out, even if they out performed svs I would still be possibly out why. Lack of features! I can point one out it is a simple one but, very important to someone like me. I noticed you had center port of svs plugged. To change sound for test and put it closer to the other speaker? or personal preference? I believe the latter. So to someone like myself who may move my sub from living room to bedroom and need a little tighter bass in one room vs the other I can accomplish this easily. The lack of line level outputs of the Klipsch totally baffles me why. I also have to say now you are talking about 4 totally different subs i.e. RP 1200 vs RP1600. That is not what we were talking about. I will say this we can play this game all day long when it comes to Klipsch you talk about money factor and x4. Sir, I could choose to get 4 SVS PB 2000 Pro with ports for 100 more per speaker than the RP 1200 with again better performance via much wider frequency response i.e. svs at 16-290hz vs the 1200 at 16.5 - 138hz again more features, more power and get 10% off my cost. Which puts cost at $3959.97 vs how much did you pay? $3996 am I close? so lets just say the same for a speaker that once again has less performance, less power, much more limited frequency response. OK SVS will destroy Klipsch at any and all price points. I would even venture to say that I could pit PB1000 pro at 200 less per speaker and has same discount and I could still destroy your system in everything except power. That said back to the original system. I would take 2 Ultras vs 4 and I am sure they would out perform the 4 1600s except in loudness. Just my opinion. Still liked your video and like I said we could debate our life away on this subject if we are going to I am going to need a whiskey.
To fully dial in subs in a room, if you have multiple especially, adding a MiniDSP HD to do the processing is kind of a no-brainer, and then using REW to do EQ curves for the subs. Price-wise, one of these subs and a MiniDSP is still vastly cheaper than the SVS unit. Also - multiple subs are often a huge boon, you do get 3 db more headroom but more crucially you get vastly smoother bass reponse in multiple seats. If all you care about is literally one seat, then sure, a single sub can do the job.
@@KimmoJaskari ever heard of Dirac live before…? Granted REW and mini dsp had its place but it old tech now. On new multi sub units with Dirac this is no longer needed.
The SVS to me has greater attack or impact on each note that hits, and the driver doesn't even look like its distorting at all, unlike the klipsch. The klipsch is no slouch though and its £2000 cheaper at £1500 in the uk.
He could do the monolith M215 or even the M@K X12+ or X15+!!!! 🎉 Good video. Btw. If you could expand on that driver “wobble” effect you mentioned.. what causes that? Only seen In slo motion. Ps. Is it possible the Klipsch wasn’t all the way broken in yet? I’ve seen an identical video comparing these two and the Klipsch came out the winner big tone. 🎉
They both make air noises, which probably wouldn't be so drastic with the SVS if all three ventilations had been open, but the SVS sounds more differentiated. I'm a little disappointed with the Klipsch, my home-made one sounds better.
Every speaker reviewer had strategically dodged Tonewinner Subs. I understnd why. This is the only guy who dared to do comparison with the PB16. Tonewinner Subs for the win! th-cam.com/video/OW8QaBV_WxM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=pLaIZNv4M6mhlq6m
Klipsch electronics are made by 3rd graders with crayons. Save yourself the nightmare. I used to be a Klipsch fan. I purchased bar 48 w/ subwoofer and bookshelf speakers, the portable Klipsch Bluetooth travel speaker “the Nashville” , four subs (2 10” wired) (1 12” wired) 1 12” Bluetooth) also purchased Klipsch reference 800. However , after anything with Bluetooth failed in two years and ZERO help from Klipsch customer service - I’m done. They have now partnered with Onkyo ! Onkyo? … really ? And the new products look terrible. The klipsch boat is sinking fast people. I cannot stress this enough - DO NOT BUY KLIPSCH PRODUCTS. ITS NOT THE SAME COMPANY. ZERO QUALITY. It’s now corporate acquisition after corporate acquisition Voxx in 2011 and recently Onkyo - the company is not the same and their products show this. Garbage. After two years failure and the customer service rep told me “toss it in the trash” and emailed me a 10% future purchases. Unacceptable!
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Placement is very important, you should have tested the klipsch in the same exact spot as the svs. anyway good video :) happy owner of Dual SVS SB16's
Agreed
Agreed but as mentioned in the video there is no way im moving the PB16 by myself, so it is what it is.
@@homecinemaking397 yes i understand those things are heavy 😆
Agreed....the SVS is loaded. Many reviews have been done and the Klipsch kills that PB in everyway.
I cannot agreed more. By default the SVS has a at least a 3db advantage with the back wall loading.
Placement comparison is very important. Always test speakers and subs in the same location as the one your comparing it to for validity purposes
Agreed but as mentioned in the video there is no way im moving the PB16 by myself so it is what it is.
Those 2 are way too heavy
Tonewinner d6000 seems to be another sub that could be included in this conversation, one channel said it outperformed the svs at half the price or so. Probably from china, but a very well put together design overall.
Another one that needs more attention is starke as a budget sub can get into 15" ported for quite cheap.
The best part about Tonewinner and all the above, all made in China. So I might as well go direct haha. I'm going to checkout their D6000 with current blackfriday sales on our country.
@jkfotonet Canada? Can you mention the website?
Great Video. Really showed off some of the details that I wanted to see. Thanks. Loving my new Klipsch rp-1400 and Denon avr. This just makes me appreciate it all the more.
Still not comparing apples to apples. The SVS makes considerably more power. I noticed that the SVS has more port noise than the Klipsch. Awesome vid!
yeah and i dont like it
I have two SVS Ultra 13 subs that i bought over 10 years ago and they weigh 90 lbs each! I really like that SVS has an upgrade path I did their upgraded plate amp Now it has SVS Subwoofer DSP and control smartphone app
• 1,200 watts RMS, 4,000+ watts Peak power amplifier with fully discrete MOSFET output
Awesome vid, well the Klipsch is still excellent for the money, theres a big difference on electronics involved on the Svs, a lot more power, Dsp is excellent, the app and so on. Finally it all comes down to budget. Both excellent.
Cant agree more👌
For the money, I'll be just fine getting a Klipsch RP1200SW for my Cinema 600.
Ahh I’ve been waiting for this one. Thank you
Enjoy👌
Great video my friend...cheers!!
@@TheNLHAZE thanx👌
I have quad svs subs . 2 sb4000s in the rear and 2 sb16 ultras up front. The 4000s are directly behind my recliner 2 in ches away for tactile feel. I'm very happy with my setup .
Im sure its epic👌
I don’t know you. But I like how you roll. 😂
Great video. I enjoy watching your content. Thank you for your passion !
Thank you👌👍💪
Great video Morne, keep the sound rocking brother, my 2 Klipsch Rp 1200 are pumping…
@@shaunvanzyl6318 👌👍💪
I love your videos man.. hats off. I own 3 SVS PB16 Ultra's and love them dearly. I have to get my nightly fix of SPL's like an addict..lol. Bass is really addicting :)
@@beersandburgers7392 thank you💪
@@beersandburgers7392 get 4 be a man
Great video my friend thank you very much !!🍺cheers👍WOW I'm watching again and just noticed the camera is shaking when the S.V.S is playing again great video but the clear winner here is the svs and I may add I also do own the RP1600 as we'll, but it is what it is S.V.S The Winner 😊😊 😎
The SVS sub was right next to a wall / corner , which can give you +6 db of gain or more.
@@kkenmmac22 I would agree with you if they were rear firing ports however that this the beauty of both these subs they can be placed closer to the wall without wall amplification.
@@johncallison4745 boundary reinforcement still applies regardless of port placement on the subs.
@@thedynamicd85 they do to some degree but forward firing vs rear firing change this drastically. Subs and speakers both. Closed baffle also has some issues but even still less than ported. I will have to agree to totally disagree with you on this.
Before I even watch this I will point out my observation on the port(s) output demo...
#1 even if both sub port have the same port area, the fact the SVS has it subdivided into 3 focuses that output much more than the Klipsch.
#2 the SVS has its output forced through 2 of its 3 ports, adding 33% more output to each.
#3 IF the port heights are observed, the SVS are.much higher off the floor. Adding far more air pressure higher on the object making it far more likely to topple!
The fact the Klipsch managed to slide the object, meaning it pushed its entire weight rather than toppling it, might be even more impressive.
I BOUGHT THE 1400.............ITS A BEAST
I just got two of the 1400sw to replace my dual SVS PB-1000 and they are out of this world. They are insane even with the gain at only 5. Playing A quiet place and my house door about to explode open. and they push so much air like two floor fans blowing at you.
I love your personal opinion and it puts things into perspective. In dollar price, they are not that far off. However, in rands something happens to import stuff.
Thank you👌 i know and wish it was not the case with imports.
Buy bass shakers. Save thousands and save your ears. I have pb4000’s and don’t have to turn them up with bass shakers. My ears are happier
Great video. I saw your previous videos Klipsch vs SVS because I have SVS PB1000 and I'm thinking about changing it.
My speakers are Klipsch and with this new subs RP series I was thinking about it. Especially considering that they are much cheaper than SVS and I can get RP1400SW for the money of PB2000 (the pro version is more expensive though). A bigger woofer will make a difference.
But thanks to you I will remain loyal to SVS
You make great videos, keep it up. Regards
@@dimitardimitrov4428 the RP1400 is a super performer but the SVS reliability is tops. Thank you 💪
The fact that it is one meter away in positioning is a huge deal, though. Sub placement in the room is extremely crucial. I realize moving the subs around between tests isn't easy, but you were still no listening to the same thing. If I move my head in the couch one meter the subs in my room sound completely different.
With the waterbottle you are comparing the speed of air. But lower speed is better, because it's less audible (as an sound artifact), as long as they provide the same SPL.
After having PB16s, I built 2 18" Ultimax subs in GSG martycube enclosures and honestly the Ultimaxes are way better, deeper, and way cheaper. Go DIY for your subs
£3750 sub vs £1500. I knew which would win. But for the price, I think the Klipsch is awesome 👍.
@@themafia3119 yes that was the point👌 but the reliability is becoming a problem now.
@@homecinemaking397 Yes I see this so often. Amp failures so common on Klipsch.
I like my Klipsch Cinema 600 soundbar. I will need to add surround speakers at some time, as I didn't get the 5.1 kit but the 3.1. I will also want to swap out the sub with an RP maybe the 12 at some time. My current sub is actually doing good if it's in the corner. So placement is still important.
Great demo of the subs. The SVS sounds great, as does the Klipsch. SVS might seem to hit harder, but I'm still liking the Klipsch RP, especially since there's a price difference between them.
Context, I'm in an efficiency apartment, so I think anything over the 12 is overkill. Which can be fine to go overkill sometimes, but in this case it'll mean I have to dial back the sub too much.
@@DeltaWhiskeyBravo13579 i always recommend going bigger for the headroom. You can dial it back👌
Great video & totally agree with your opinion. You get what you pay for, and SVS uses much higher quality components. If you look at both manufacturers drivers, removed from their cabinets, you will immediately see how anemic the 1600SW driver is compared to SVS. Stamped steel basket on the Klipsch versus SVS cast aluminum for strength & regidity. Put quality components together, and it shows in the final product. This from an SVS sub that's almost eight 😮 years old! Can't wait to see the new subs they have in R&D. 🤤
Yip and new subs coming soon👌
😅😅😅svs 4000€ klipsch 1500€🤔🤔
Measurements from Audioholics
Klipsch Reference Premiere RP-1600SW Subwoofer CEA-2010
Burst Test Measurements
Frequency (Hz)
SPL (dB)
10hz 82.2 Spl (db)
12.5hz 98.0 Spl (db)
16hz. 105.5 Spl (db)
20hz. 109.5 Spl (db)
25hz. 113.3 Spl (db)
31.5hz. 117.5 Spl (db)
40hz. 118.5 Spl (db)
50hz. 117.6 Spl (db)
63hz. 117.0 Spl (db)
80hz. 116.6 Spl (db)
100hz. 115.8 Spl (db)
125hz. 115.5 Spl (db)
SVS PB16-Ultra CEA-2010 Burst Test Measurements
Extended Mode (2 Ports Open)
10hz 89.1 Spl (db)
16hz. 112.3 Spl (db)
20hz. 112.3 Spl (db)
25hz. 115.5 Spl (db)
31.5hz. 118.0Spl (db)
40hz. 118.8 Spl (db)
50hz. 118.4 Spl (db)
63hz. 117.1 Spl (db)
80hz. 115.0 Spl (db)
100hz. 113.6 Spl (db)
125hz. 112.7 Spl (db).
Both subwoofers are pretty close , SVS has a little more deep bass extension.
You can hear it clearly yes👌
Great video! I've been enjoying your videos quite a bit. What your name man? Are you based in Joburg?
Thank you👌 my name is Morne and based in JHB yes.
Great video, but when doing comparisons it is best to make sure that both subs are being compared in the same location.
unfortunately there are no subtitles in this video of yours, which of the two subwoofers is the best for you?
@@cirotube74 PB16👌
19:00 The "wobble" you describe here is not actually happening. This is a video optical phenomena that you will only see on screen. It's because when the driver moves at the same frequency as the frame rate of your screen (or the frame rate of the video), it will only look like it is "warping" because of how the picture on your screen is updated and the way that digital cameras record video (from the top to the bottom, one line at the time). The phenomena you see is called "rolling shutter effect". If you want to know more about it you can google that term.
By the way great vedio ,both brand are amazing....to the price comparison klipsch do the decent output......but still SVS is Rocking king.....
Cant agree more👍
@homecinemaking397 bro ...Nice T-shirt.....can I get one of these ......😊
@@Audioenthusatic keep a eye out merch drop soon👌
That wobble, isn't it exaggerated by the camera/framerate syncing with the frequency?
the same BS i seen in the guy with two 33" subs and the image blurs is total BS clickbait ,
ether using software vibration , camera attached to tripod with bass shaker so it be in sync with the other subs , get the idea ? otherwise i not seen any past videos of subs or those car hi-fi ones with the distortion , sure car fixings vibrate but not the actual ripple transparent blur effect ,
movies create illusion , tv creates lies and now youtubers sub heads now looking for new gimmick to BS to get $clickbait
Would be cool if had spl meter to test peak output 😅
Did not go to max but good idea👌
@@happydogg312 i love the PB2000👌
Is this with some room correction/frequency calibration software? or are you not using any of it? I'd really like to know how did you set this up!
@@cellfactor100user4 no correction applied for this testing.
I really enjoys your video's and appreciate all your hard work.Glad to hear your reaping some rewards with your channel getting more likes and subs.I have subbed.Hello from Canada,where
are you?
Thank you, im from South-Africa
I think I had read somewhere that the Klipsch driver is more efficient hence the need for less power. Please correct me if I’m wrong
Normally the case with all Klipsch drivers yes.
I heard on Youthman’s podcast that Klipsch told him the RP-1600sw is meant to go head to head with the SVS pb4000. According to him Klipsch has another sub that will compete with the SVS PB 16 Ultra ,that they are currently developing.
Yes i would say PB4000 is more in line. But still 16” vs 16” seems more fair in my eyes. If you take cars it would be V10 vs V10 regardless of the L.
Yea they been saying that for years they called it the beast! I couldn't wait any longer so I got the 1600
I am always concerned about home theatres in apartments, how do you fully enjoy the audio in an apartment without disturbing your neighbours?
I have just competed my Klipsch speaker collection, with 3 x 12 inch subs and I am looking to install it very soon.
Acoustically treat and isolate the room works wonders👌
@@homecinemaking397 Thanks, keep up the good work.
You have one of the port sealed on the SVS. What is the reason for that.
Awesome video mate
Thank you
*Subscribed* I wass slacking man lol Was glad to find your channel the other week
Happy to have you onboard 💪
You can actually buy three rp1600 when they frequently go on sale and it would still be cheaper than one pb16 ultra.
@@Joey22688 yes but i still dont know if i would…
God bless you brother thanks for this video when you have a chance try to compare with music to see what happens
Will do when the Klipsch comes back👌 thanx💪
The monolith subs are apparently really good. Doesn't this compete with the pb3000? And not the 16 ultra
I believe so but we dont get them in SA
My 1400 is way louder than the pb 3000 SVS is more detailed on movies tho I have both
@@blackapino4life i also have a dual pb3000 and im thinking adding either pb16 or klipsch 1600. How do you like the 1400 compared to pb3000? You mentioned being louder do you mean like deeper bass?
16 inches, 1600 watts, it's perfectly reasonable to match it against the Ultra.
I own a SVS SB4000 since 5 months, thinking about a second one (50% music 50%hc). They're amazing
Multi sub is always the way💪
Bro you can’t compare an 1600€ Klipsch sub with an 3500-4000€ Svs subwoofer, that is obviously way better in all points. I think even 2 Klipsch couldn’t compete with one single Pb 16. But great Video 👌👌
@@ichkannlesen12345 point was just 16” vs 16” but thank you👌
Hello, it has nothing to do with the subwoofer. but since you know both models, monitor audio silver or Klipsch 8000f-II for movies? system 5,1 with two pb3000 svs
Thanks for your vídeo
@@redlehramos klipsch for movies👍
@homecinemaking397 thanks :)
Awesome and Nice subwoofers bro , gretting From Uruguay
Thank you👍
Which one is best for listening to music? Klipsch RP-1000SW or SVS SB1000 pro? Thanks!
SB1000 for music👌
@@homecinemaking397 Ok thx
@@tessie4204 anytime👌
Depends what u listen too I’m a bass head and the klipsch is loud sounds really good rap rnb and dance here
The Klipsch is going to be way better for music but I hate to tell you this but Klipsch is having problems with some of the Rp1600 subwoofers @ this time this guy has a dead one on,his hands as well after this video.I also had a Rp1600 go dead on me so please buy with care .Tone winer is a New big boy on the block to check out good luck shopping around if you would like to see,a video of what happened to my Klipsch Subwoofer RP1600 please let me know cheers 🍺👍🍺
Awesome video my uncle have that 16" svs but he doesnt use it, its always unplugged i have no heard it, he says he likes to hear music without a sub... i dont understand why any1 would buy such an expensive sub and not use it...
Rich people dont use shit they just wanna be around it to feel good about themselves
Two years ago - I was facing an issue on deciding which sub to go with between SVS PB16U or this Klipsch.. I took a gamble and went SVS.. Never regretted it.. So I brought a 2nd PB16U... You want to say earthquake in a box!!
This sub wasn't out 2 years ago, was it?
I recall q4 of 2022..
My PB16 just arrived today .. Any serious lessons/pointers for moving it once it’s outside the box?
Always a problem as its huge and heavy. Dont do it alone is all i can say👍
@@homecinemaking397Much appreciated, thanks.
@@happydogg312This helped, much appreciated.
Link to the test track? I want to try it with my JTR 4000ULF-ST.
Bass i love u
Quite place 2
Can you make a video comparing the Klipsch RP-1600SW to the Martin Logan BalancedForce 212?
I will see if i can get in contact with who import ML in SA👌
What amplifier are you using to demonstrate the subwoofer strength
@@Peter144-zn7us they come with their own amps installed on the back of the subwoofer box.
What amplifier are you using to send a signal into the subwoofer amplifier
4000€ svs to 1500€ klipsch. No question!!👍👍🇩🇪
Klipsch still good bang for buck👌
@@homecinemaking397 And for 3500 you can get the JTR Captivator 2400. This is a completly other level
Technically both designs are affected by less than optimal port cross sectional area for driver swept volume. Commercial consumer audio is literally all about the compromises per msrp! The SVS blowing over a plastic bottle at half XMax is not necessary a good thing!
Audition gear in person, and see what tickles your auditory pickle!
Agreed always audition 👌
Funnily enough you simply sat on the speakers is a big help lol
Gives me an idea of the largest size I'll be able to get away with with the wife l
I think the Rw1200 is the limit on size & goes down very low on frequency to 16.5 Hz that is my main requirement.
I imagine the 14 & 16 are just louder & more poweful.
I'll be using mine for hi fi more than cinema.
Are these good hi fi subs too?
@@pobinr 16 and 14” is huge, 12” is better to fit in a room. Not bad a hifi but you could do better going for a sealed sub.
@homecinemaking397 thanks for that. It it because sealed are faster on transients?
Not sure a sealed sub will go as low on Hz.
If one's listening to organ music as I often do, then organ bass pipes have slow attack times.
So slower speaker but with deeper frequency response is probably better.
Will check out what sealed subs will go down to Hz wise
@ just go big then like the SB16 or 17👍
Jesus that klipsch sub housing is massive compared to the SVS and that's already big enough.. I can't imagine having two of these in my house taking up so much floor space.. lol😂..
Nice what song did you use in the test?
Have you listen to any sub from jtr ? 🙂
We unfortunately dont get them in SA
Miller Kreisel - are still the top dogs
@@lifeasedwin good subs but not top dogs by a long shot.
That's a big subwoofers I have for myself love those basses when h watching TH-cam's or movies looks like surround sounds home teather
My Klipsch Subwoofer just died. Common AMP issues, to be considered. ☝🏼
@@Tonitune yes looks like it, weak amplifiers.
Rp1600sw great value for what you get, but agree that SVS stil tops on output and performance. PB16 needs another competitor.
Whats happening to Velodyne, especially in SA? Still around or not?
get another 16 brother, and stack them on top of each other... your jaw will drop
Im sure👌
First minute of viewing I thought, hmmmm, what kind of test is this? One out in the room, one getting lots of gain from the front wall.........not very fair. Next time, if the reviewer is having difficulty moving those things, there SHOULD have been help on hand!
U should testing xtz cinema 1×12 edge then. From 🇸🇪.
Not familiar with them.
@@homecinemaking397best sub around 1000$ according to shane lee. 😃🔈👍
Was the crossover set the same as the Svs?
All exactly the same.
@@homecinemaking397 cool it was a great review thanks
SVS has way bigger holes for air to come out that's way it's better at knocking down the bottle
Nooooooooo😂
Compare with sony muteki subwoofer.
@@krishiBhoomiyilPalakkad 🤨
SVS is more detailed the klipsch is cheap here and the klipsch is way louder than the SVS from a value standpoint the klipsch is a no brainer and u wouldn’t notice the difference in detail unless u listening to both
2 14" Klipsch vs 1 svs?
If you are going to stick with the 2 klipsch then yes but if there is any chance of maybe getting two svs later then do that.
I was just wondering why you have your centre channel placed inside the cabinet. After all, isn't there room on top? IDK if you know this, but the way you currently have your centre channel, the virtual effects are pretty limited.
This room changes every week so i have different places to put speakers. This one just happens to be in the cabinet. There was not always room on top, we just recently put that tv up.
And don't forget for break in time for a new speaker
Yes this was not new it was a prior demo.
I bought two 1400s at $699 each. At full retail I wouldn't have purchased them as I don't think they are worth that much.
2 1400s vs 1 1600. Which one will perform best?
@@KhinNinson If space isn't an issue I'd get two.
Monalith thx 16 ultra vs SVS PB16 ultra 👍
Those are the subs you get when you don't like your neighbours.
🤣🤣🤣
@@neodeane3327 😂😂😂😂
SVS is shaking the camera much more.
Your doing a great job 👍 if possible please SVS PB16 ultra vs monalith thx 16 let people see the truth that most TH-camrs hides 😢😢 please 🙏
Thank you. We dont get Monolith in SA unfortunately. Would love to!
The Monolith 16 is a significant step up over the PB16 Ultra in output. Bigger driver though. They list it as a 16, but in reality it measures out to 18.
@@brucecarter6205 wish i could get my hands on one to test…
Klipsch is what you buy at walmart or old skool circuit city stores. They are made for momma and dadda who want something cheap. It is what it is. I have klipsch the sevens for my pc, but for my living room home setup, I will not buy klipsch anything. SVS, HSU and other brands are made for audio quality. Klipsch literally sells these subs at walmart. Good luck. Whatever you get, enjoy it. You do not need to have the best. Just get what makes you happy and move on. Stop comparing yourself to others.
Nice demo, I do disagree with you on one thing. The klipsch is limited in application and control where has the SVS shines in this as well as performance. I would take a single SVS over 4 Klipsch due to this alone. I have 3 systems and am always trying new things and some of this involves vintage systems that I need a line level in out connection. Klipsch does not have this. Before you say it yes I could y adapt them and do it that way but, I prefer not to. For me it is just a obsession. I really did not like the klipsch at all to me they sounded much more muddy than the svs even on mild bass like you said the heart beat. I could clearly hear it on svs and through my computer speakers I could not make it out at all in the klipsch too much mud.
Each too there own. In my main cinema i replaced 1x16 ultra with 4 RP1200 and trust you me, i will blow your mind over one 16 ultra.
@@homecinemaking397 I personally do not feel that multiplying a lesser performing speaker does anything to make them perform better. As I stated the features of the SVS blow away the Klipsch completely. When it comes to price points features can be a reason I might spend more for a item. If the Klipsch did not obviously lose this comparison then yes I would jump in head first on them because value for buck but, wait, does not have feature that I need for my applications, nope still out, even if they out performed svs I would still be possibly out why. Lack of features! I can point one out it is a simple one but, very important to someone like me. I noticed you had center port of svs plugged. To change sound for test and put it closer to the other speaker? or personal preference? I believe the latter. So to someone like myself who may move my sub from living room to bedroom and need a little tighter bass in one room vs the other I can accomplish this easily. The lack of line level outputs of the Klipsch totally baffles me why. I also have to say now you are talking about 4 totally different subs i.e. RP 1200 vs RP1600. That is not what we were talking about. I will say this we can play this game all day long when it comes to Klipsch you talk about money factor and x4. Sir, I could choose to get 4 SVS PB 2000 Pro with ports for 100 more per speaker than the RP 1200 with again better performance via much wider frequency response i.e. svs at 16-290hz vs the 1200 at 16.5 - 138hz again more features, more power and get 10% off my cost. Which puts cost at $3959.97 vs how much did you pay? $3996 am I close? so lets just say the same for a speaker that once again has less performance, less power, much more limited frequency response. OK SVS will destroy Klipsch at any and all price points. I would even venture to say that I could pit PB1000 pro at 200 less per speaker and has same discount and I could still destroy your system in everything except power.
That said back to the original system. I would take 2 Ultras vs 4 and I am sure they would out perform the 4 1600s except in loudness. Just my opinion. Still liked your video and like I said we could debate our life away on this subject if we are going to I am going to need a whiskey.
To fully dial in subs in a room, if you have multiple especially, adding a MiniDSP HD to do the processing is kind of a no-brainer, and then using REW to do EQ curves for the subs. Price-wise, one of these subs and a MiniDSP is still vastly cheaper than the SVS unit. Also - multiple subs are often a huge boon, you do get 3 db more headroom but more crucially you get vastly smoother bass reponse in multiple seats. If all you care about is literally one seat, then sure, a single sub can do the job.
@@KimmoJaskari ever heard of Dirac live before…? Granted REW and mini dsp had its place but it old tech now. On new multi sub units with Dirac this is no longer needed.
Have one for myself
The Svs pb 16 lost against the klipsch 1600sw because both was up against a wall so this not a fair battle
Lol
The SVS to me has greater attack or impact on each note that hits, and the driver doesn't even look like its distorting at all, unlike the klipsch. The klipsch is no slouch though and its £2000 cheaper at £1500 in the uk.
the klipsch sounds better because it hasn"t that port chuffing and more control of the driver and that rattling is annoying .
NEXT DO REVIEW FOR PERLISTEN R212s th-cam.com/users/shorts40Mz75koayM
Thanks!
Not available here but some interesting things to come👌
He could do the monolith M215 or even the M@K X12+ or X15+!!!! 🎉
Good video.
Btw. If you could expand on that driver “wobble” effect you mentioned.. what causes that? Only seen In slo motion.
Ps. Is it possible the Klipsch wasn’t all the way broken in yet? I’ve seen an identical video comparing these two and the Klipsch came out the winner big tone. 🎉
@@MattyDaddy14 both played in 👌
Hey King, what's the test track you use at around 00:16 ?
@@eugene4637 bass I love you
Klipsch is the king
I wished it was with measurements...
@@Belfor09 audioholics channel has them
They both make air noises, which probably wouldn't be so drastic with the SVS if all three ventilations had been open, but the SVS sounds more differentiated. I'm a little disappointed with the Klipsch, my home-made one sounds better.
Try to use another song i hate using that song when testing subwoofer
Need measurements this is bs
God those are tacky looking compared to my SVS PC-4000 lol
wife must not have been home
@@lewisbrazil5485 actually my wife gives me no problems👌
Wow
Every speaker reviewer had strategically dodged Tonewinner Subs. I understnd why. This is the only guy who dared to do comparison with the PB16. Tonewinner Subs for the win!
th-cam.com/video/OW8QaBV_WxM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=pLaIZNv4M6mhlq6m
Klipsch electronics are made by 3rd graders with crayons.
Save yourself the nightmare.
I used to be a Klipsch fan. I purchased bar 48 w/ subwoofer and bookshelf speakers, the portable Klipsch Bluetooth travel speaker “the Nashville” , four subs (2 10” wired) (1 12” wired) 1 12” Bluetooth) also purchased Klipsch reference 800. However , after anything with Bluetooth failed in two years and ZERO help from Klipsch customer service - I’m done. They have now partnered with Onkyo ! Onkyo? … really ? And the new products look terrible. The klipsch boat is sinking fast people. I cannot stress this enough - DO NOT BUY KLIPSCH PRODUCTS. ITS NOT THE SAME COMPANY. ZERO QUALITY.
It’s now corporate acquisition after corporate acquisition Voxx in 2011 and recently Onkyo - the company is not the same and their products show this.
Garbage. After two years failure and the customer service rep told me “toss it in the trash” and emailed me a 10% future purchases. Unacceptable!
@@montimahner9357 im starting to agree with you on this…
Theatre
Not that heavy