Growing Up White & Working Class | Britain’s Forgotten Men
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- Britain’s Forgotten Men is the BAFTA nominated docu-series which follows the lives of white working class men in Manchester who are statistically some of the most disadvantaged people in Britain.
In the first of four episodes this series, we meet Aaron, the hard working dad who enjoys “a bit of football thuggery.” But when some of his mates are attacked at a city centre pub, the firm swear revenge.
On the streets of Moston, we meet a gaggle of kids bunking off school. White working class boys like these are now the worst performers at GCSE and as the series develops we see the consequences.
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Being a working class lad doesn't justify being a thug.
Peter O'Connell depends what you mean " thug " if its selling cannabis etc (not heroin) that's fine alcohol is more dangerous than substances like MDMA, LSD ,Cocaine so that's fine in my mind "supply and demand" you need the money for food and your family but when it comes to debt collection for the bad drug dealers who want harm then nah should be banged up, stabbing everything like that nah stealing is a bigger one that's below the belt for me like that person worked for that and all it takes is someone's grubby hands on that bike,car,phone
TheStonedGamer 420 I personally don't think alcohol is on the same level correlation and causation are different
It’s other factors too
TheStonedGamer 420 that's a very stupid thing to say.
TheStonedGamer 420 yh but you can steal from big stores like Jd tkmaxx and sport direct
Why are 30 year old men acting like they’re 16
@Joel, It's a sad lack of parenting education and testing before welcoming a new defenseless life to the planet. In otherwords, it is ill-prepared parental skills and inhumane parenting tactics with a lack of compassion and community and civic duty. They're taught no morals, values, principles, politics, self-respect, emotional and psychological resilience, self-responsibility and accountability, confidence building, self-control, impulse control, spiritualism/peace/self-evolution, critical thinking, respect for one's health/future/others/others' property and health, economic education/budgeting, offered little encouragement/interest/guidance and told to not work through emotions and issues and confusion... they're under directed and silenced and not taught They *they* can be *the* person who can positively change the world if they continuously work on themselves and their relationship, business and leadership skills and come together or bring together similar-minded goal-oriented others with whom to co-operate within their communities -- which we all can do *if we have the great fortune* of good parenting. A situation that *EVERY child* should be born into, as *a matter of LAW.*
Have you seen the way the women dress and act like they're 15?!
All of society is responsible for this. There are many men who are only capable of a blue collar job. Unfortunately these jobs do not pay enough to support a family so many are giving up. If there is no way for a guy to provide many of them will drop out of society
We all need to pay attention to this or risk collapse. They are complaining but who is listening
Being working class doesn't excuse destructive behavior.
Yes, it's so disturbing. Grown ass men reverting to being in short shorts as pre-teen boys. #yikes
After watching this shout out to my ancestors for stealing a loaf of bread and being sent to Australia!!
We still here Bro. We doing good here 😂😂😂
How's the fires?
@@dantaylor7344 finished 3 months ago. 1billion animals dead(literally) and I don't know how many humans. Fuq humans lol
@@ethnicgerman5275 So, NOT so good down under hey? Maybe everyone needs to stop judging the UK for our misdemeanors and focus on more domesticated issues.
@@alistairshaw4978 pretty sure most convicts were petty crimes, because those crimes you mentioned were death sentences? Maybe you should do some research
You can't pay rent or feed your family but you can buy a £100 football ticket every week
Season ticket for Man city is only about 300 quid.
Only?
yes the priorities of these people are questionable
Never mind the designer clothes /piss and Charlie!!
@@g___________v6850 that’s still a lot for a ticket
Being working class doesn't make fathers be football hooligans. That is a choice, not imposed on them at all.
Being an ultra does give a sense of belonging
Nothing wrong with fighting for your club
@@slywata7780. "There's nothing wrong with football hooliganism"
@UCI90F59V3VCFd9AI4bkNI3A its a football club its a game if you throw a punch for a sport youre a moron
@@slywata7780 Our club kicks a ball and we like to break shit afterwards. We are warriors.
Most working class people are not like this the majority are normal civilised people
Exactly, this isn't even working.. My parents were working class.. Hell I was on minimum wage for ages... These people are bums who don't work!
These are lower class, not working class. This is an attack piece on the working class and whites. I can very clearly see why people are demanding the BBC lose it's licencing status.
Couldn’t agree more. If they think they’re warriors then they should join the armed forces. Then they’ll see how ‘tough’ they actually are.
@JustAGuy haha they would never make it back
This is a hit piece to discredit the actual working class.
Being working blass doesn't guarantee your way to success one have to make a decision to change its thinking and invest to earn extra income.
Yeah salary can't help in this situation, someone have to fine a way to multiply is income.
@@shawjose-uc9xnI agree with you. Investment is the key to sustaining your financial longevity. And not just any investment but an investment with guaranteed return.
yeah investment is the key to sustaining your financial longevity but venturing into any legit investment or business without a proper guidance of an expert can lead to great loss too.
Exactly and many of us don't know where to invest our money so we invest it on wrong place and to the wrong people@@scottjohno.7335
@@gabrielsmith9781Obviously talking about been successful, I know I am blessed if not I wouldn't have met someone who is as spectacular as Debra Barton
I'm from a working class family of four kids, two of us tried hard at school, got jobs and worked our way up the money tree by grafting and have done very well for ourselves, the other two chose a life on the dole, have huge chips on their shoulders and think the world owes them. It's about personal responsibility and life choices first and foremost.
Congratulations on an insightful perceptive comment which gets directly the heart of the matter. This is why party politics is nonsensical. Some people are hard working efficient and effective others are just lazy.
Good for you, well done. 😄 Some people are luckier than others. I count myself as one of the lucky people. Having been taught ITA English Twaddle, a backward Alien language that made no sense at all, I left school with no qualifications to my name.
I got paid £25 a week to do a Graphic Design course. Went from one low paid job to another.
Then my Uncle offered me a job in London. I taught myself to type from a book. Ended up working for a bunch of top Architects. Worked my way up from Reception to Managing Directors Secretary. All without one qualification.
It's more about life opportunities. And the lack of them.
Today, there is no funding in the Arts. I hope to work with working class students as the Elites and Media are brainwashing the poor things into prostitution to pay for education.
Merit is just one of many factors.
I am a first generation, working class student and postgrad candidate at a reputable university. My younger brother does an apprenticeship in a pretty bad sector.
My advantage was that I am gay (it was at the same time the root cause for most of the sad and lonely moments in my life), thus my milieu of origin did not accept me, which ultimately liberated me from reproducing their way of thinking and ending up in the same social class. I had to "escape" to the more accepting class of academics.
My brother is straight, so he never had to reflect on who he was and could simply copy the ways of my father. This analysis is not exhaustive. What I want to contribute to this discussion is that we shouldn't be so judgmental of others. Merit is just one of many factors that lead to success.
researchers consistently fail to address the magnitude of this issue.
People ultimately need love and validation. When a man doesn't matter to a woman, when she doesn't gaze at him with a loving smile, tell him she wants him/needs him, that he matters to her.
A lot of guys have never had that.
This will cause disillusionment/isolation/soul sadness and mental health issues in men. No amount of material things, por* will be able to replace that.
The problem in the west is 2 fold. Incels can't get a woman and the ones that do get one, end up in divorce/breaking up or being cheated on and losing more than the lady. So they swear off relationships and end up lonely all the same. (Mgtow)
Both have the effect of creating lonely, angry, atomised ppl and broken society with plummeting birth rates. And can spell the end of that society.
What are we seeing in the west now?
Falling sperm counts, falling testosterone levels, births, marriage, and a rapidly ageing society, with catastrophic debt levels.
White ppl used to have close family bonds but now they no longer keep ties with family and send old ppl to homes.
Jobs for life are a thing of the past, from where they used to form friends.
White ppl lost their matchmaking culture and used to marry form within their own tried and tested social circle.
With all that now gone, internet dating and cold approaching/PUA random women that u know nothing about is the way. Which can be toxic.
I don't believe it's solely due to be working class. I came from household of alcoholism, poverty and addiction, and thankfully did not go on to have kids as my head was everywhere for years.
I have a first cousin who has published 20 novels, is relatively famous, and all three of his brothers are academics. Their Father was a factory worker, but RESPONSIBLE, a great husband and parent, and HOT on education. They all speak so highly of him. This family in this documentary do NOT seem nurtured, she had too many children, knowing she could not give sufficient time or money. The working class are not a monolith.
Missed the Mark here I'm afraid, I'm white and working class and can hardly relate to anything shown here
Nah it's true white working class lads are the lepers of society well unless you're LGBT then they have to give you special treatment
No I understand the basic point, the schooling system is totally off. Doesn’t help anyone who isn’t academically smart. Nothing for kinesthetic learners.
@@andrewhanlonwbu that's true, unfortunately. The country is crying out for trades, plumbers, joiners, roofers etc etc and we need more houses. Surely if the education system could accommodate this, things would be much better.
@@mrbearbear83 Yeah it's a bit sad, when I was a kid in the 80s there were about 3 YTS centers in or around my council estate. Nothing at all these days, even the local libraries that where there have been replaced with community centers.
Obviously not working class then made you’re middle
We need to bring back industry to this country. Not all kids are academic, and not all academic kids are good at sports or with their hands. We need an education system with has provision for both.
internet champ But we’re not a country that has a lot of natural resources - we have to import a hell of a lot of it, and even then that’s the cheaper alternative to using our own. Businesses starting up produce their products in areas with low labour rates, such as China, they simply wouldn’t be able to afford to pay even minimum wage here for the same service. Construction seems to be booming however, and I think that’ll seems to be the case going into the future
@MasterOFentertainment
I'm going to get you some nice crayons.
Sorry.This country has a lot of natural resources.We have coal ,oil and gas.We also have a enough agriculture to feed us.
I’m not the most intellectual but I can articulate myself pretty well and essentially con people and I did just that to get my self an industrial job fixing buses. However the people of this generation, my generation, try to show off and act hard to impress. Peer pressure is a real thing but only weak people fall victim to it. Morale of the story is be yourself and you could get a way out like I did.
Max Fawcett Wrong
These ain't working class. It's a crying shame but they are the underclass.
Dad raises them on minimum wage
Agreed. Working class are people who actually work for a living and do things other than pump out kids for benefits and drink fosters in their PJs while smoking a cig. These are literal dregs of society
The statement by the young man at the 9:46 minute mark is heartbreaking. Due to circumstances beyond his control he's behind before he has even started. Breaking the intergenerational poverty cycle can be so hard without external influence and opportunities. I hope he ends up being ok.
10:40 tells her mid 20's son to stop swearing when her 14 year old son is smoking right in front of her.
Great parenting 😅
My Leg she is doing she can and what she has got
@@elementvideography6199 your sentence makes no sense
Welcome to England
When those young lads all started rapping Little T lyrics I cringed so hard.
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😂The only fans Little T has is other little white kids
Yaasir Zax 11:15
Is that what that was? Raping little sisters is the lead intro? Wtf?! So being skint now turns you into a pedophilic rapist gangster ?
They should interview this lot in 20 years to see the end result
Lol, most of em’ll be dead or in prison.
@@KR15MES So true - sadly
These are just doler thugs . I come from a working class family and we don’t act this way
Ani ahaha what?
@Ani that's so presumptuous you dingus
Poverty of aspiration too. Parents having ZERO interest in their children is a big problem in the school where I used to teach. Chaotic households produce children with no purpose, no direction, no self belief and no chance in life. The will to want something better for yourself needs to be taught.
@rumba rumba Really? So because someone else has a different experience to you, you instantly dismiss it as "utter crap"? There are indeed many good parents who want the best for their children. There are also many who do not. Try to step outside your world for a few hours.
First world pussies pretending to be tough. So many REAL workers in Latin America and Africa Wille this idiots with all the luxury of capitalism wasting their life Wille honest people in my country have to work for 100 dollars at month and this idiots with all the opportunities are wasting their life's.
They are Just idiots no victims of society.
A real victim of society is some one who did born in socialism and not matter what he does even being a doctor he will never with the half of a British minimal salary.
@@Zoe-dr5ps That's why I said "too". There is obviously more than one reason in many instances. But Millions have grown up in real poverty and still risen above it - from personal experience, the interest of parents who are invested in their child's welfare is the crucial difference. Repeating patterns isn't inevitable.
Because the parents themselves are subjects of this abandonment, via ignorance of society. You know little about your own Being, I know more about you than you will ever know, because I understand the phenomenon of the way of Being we both share. The most positive thing you could do is keep your glib negative stereotypes to yourself and realise that your heritage as it manifests in the way the world is meaningful to you, is doing great injustice to these folk.
@@Mtmonaghan Your superiority of understanding will be an enormous comfort to you, I'm sure. Have a lovely day.
“They take all our jobs” in the same 16 minute document spends his daughters birthday money on some day out for football to fight, pathetic.
They're pathetic
k2trappy no the people who are taking their childrens money are pathetic
k2trappy He didn’t say that you mug
@@DO-mw6ju He clearly didn't mean all working class people
Cosa Nostra Haha! Took the jobs they never even had!
Working class people are normal working people like builders, dustbin men, mechanics ect these are benefit dossers
He drives for a living you plank. The lad on the moped hasn't long left school to be fair but pulls his weight at home as a carer - his mum was a cleaner as well as doing other menial jobs before bad health turned her life upside down.
Builders are middle class, brickies make 36k a year which is middle class money or very close to it.
The underclass
The don't choose to be that way, it a cycle that's hard to get out off
So a lady rushed to hospital who walks with sticks, an autistic person, and someone who fucked up their leg are "benefit dossers"?
These videos make me appreciate my parents even more
to be honest 3 dogs and smoking wont help with money issues
patrick friell yeah but you’d go straight insane with 0 luxuries
The ciggies probably aren't worth the cost and impact but I'd keep the pooches.
@dominic clarke and what do you lot stink of?! Lol! Plus since when did every single white person own a dog? And black etc never own dogs No? What a Dick!
social inequality is a big reason.
Of course, all that is the system's fault, not theirs 🙄
I thinkthey confused the actual working class with simple hoodlums .
Kharmazov working class means you work
Exactly
cherry rotella stop taking it so literally it’s just the name of the lowest clas
@@asnekboi7232 If unemployed they're actually refereed to as 'underclass!'
@cherry rotella No it means you are poor financially, poorly educated and unskilled.
As a working class 17 year old with a single parent I can't relate to any of this. These are people willing to throw their life away at 17 to have kids.
When she said “at KFC”, for one minute I thought she was about to say “Cambridge” 😂
lol
BIG difference between can’t get a job and can’t be arsed
I'm working class, I grew up on a council estate full of unemployment, no real opportunites around and limited fun. But that didn't make me a thug, an idiot. When I got my first job, I changed it and that's how it should be.
Fair play to you brother
The majority of people in the uk are working class and are nothing like this.
Aaron left school at sixteen just to own his very own van at 40, Christ what a life eh
Isn't it amazing how young blokes like this are always with young women who adore them even though they are utter scummers. Never fails to amaze me
UKIP Middle left low self esteem. They’re fathers were probably the same
Ukip middle left wow someone bitter here. World is full of pussy, but not for you
Nice guys finish last because they have no balls
I wouldn’t touch the woman who finds these unwashed arse wipes attractive with someone else’s barge pole.
And it’s an insult to generations of hardworking working class family men to lump them in with these pointless shitbags.
@@drunkensailor112 pmsl
....great comment bro....🤣🤣🤣🤣
Best comment goes to u my friend 🤣🤣
The reason as to why the 'white' part in the working class is mentioned because these people represent a certain subgroup in our population that faces very specific issues that needs to *exclusively be addressed* . As the documentary mentioned, this demographic achieves some of the lowest GCSE's has big problems with drinking, drugs, football hooliganism and suicide, and without acknowledging who is disproportionally affected by these problems, they won't improve.
... but they aren’t “forgotten”.
Isn't this the same thing black Americans go through? Yet whites always claim black people are "naturally violent"
the naturally violent thing isnt really a white claim, go to China and yu'll see it used for some groups. Its a general method for demonising a sub group, you see similar language used against white working class people in areas like glasgow with high violent crime
kieron andrews difference is they won't label it as "white", from the looks of it whites have only been able to be on top due to oppressing other groups, when the field is even white people underperform everyone else. Southwark in london where peckam is has one of the highest crime rate and one of the largest black population, yet african immigrants outperform chinese and indians.
my point was that they pick based on teh clearest distinguishing feature. Its clearly racist and race based in many cases and that incredibly wrong, for white working class people in Britain its based on clothing or how you speak. Not its West African immigrants that outperform almost all groups(i believe from memory especially women), I agree completely that the claims about young black people are wrong, im just saying white working class people are also portrayed as outwardly violent certainly through different and much less damaging means. In trueth labour and conservative politics and policy have worked to create an idea that we cant support working class people of all races, i mean carribean desent working-class black men are only a few points about white working class men, which is something i'd like to see the BBC look into in a similar fashion by speaking to people in that group.
'don't swear', yet her kids that are 14 to 15 are smoking right in front of her in her living room
Kid wants to be a rapper:
*raps Little T bars*
😂that just shows the intelligence of these kids!
😂😂😂😂
Lowest for literacy and second lowest for numeracy in the developed world? That's a disgrace. Get these kids in technical schools and the ‘academic’ ones in grammar schools. Comprehensives clearly can't do a comprehensive job.
You're right and I'm glad for you that you had such an upbringing. I don't think schools can sort it all out but I do think they can do a damn sight better. Simply by acknowledging that individuals have different skills and strengths so a 'one size fits all' education system simply won't suffice. Germany has been doing it for years. We can also blame the loss of intergenerational cohabitation or 'the decline of the nanny' as well as the social care and welfare systems and so on but that's a whole other topic. Schools these days are more concerned with fixing exam results so they don't appear at the bottom of a league table than actually helping the children. How is a kid that doesn't even have the coordination skills to play catch with a ball because nobody has ever done it with them meant to get 5+ A*-C GCSEs?
+burntsoup Right, when I say schools can be better I mean the government could make them better.
+burtsoup Yeah, I absolutely didn't mean that it's the school’s fault directly - I should've said explicitly that I meant the govt. My father has been on senior leadership teams in schools in the roughest part of England for about thirty years and is now with kids whose challenges are so complex that they just couldn't go to a mainstream school. A couple of my siblings are teachers too so I can definitely empathise with how difficult a job it is. Good luck to you, though.
Fuck your academies. Why is the solution uppity schools you pay for. The education system needs reforming as a whole. Your can't fix this by having private education.
finland has small class sizes plus two support teachers n addition to a teacher per class you need to invest in people the tories dont want you educated its the last thing they want, the future is scarey
Used to be able to leave one job, start another. Now you can’t because there’s too many people not enuff jobs.
Brb while I give birth to 5 kids.
John And Abbey they are equal to any other British citizen pal
John And Abbey I never said that hahaha
@@qv8281 Yeah removed from context of the country they are having kids they're equal, but it's the homeland of the English people. They should be able to have kids without trying to have less because of foreigners. And middle eastern women have the most kids here anyway.
Christian Taylor they are not having less because of foreigners they are having less because British people for the most part do not want to have many kids like in the past, foreigners are not stopping people having kids a cultural shift in attitudes to the role of women, the family etc is.
While it was insensitive the original post was likely referencing the fact that if you take a walk around most council estates ethnic English mothers of low socio economic status often have multiple kids to claim child benefits (I know because many of my mates are those kids) and while the mother is often forced to turn to benefits, for people to turn around and say that there is some system in place which punishes the growth of the English family and rewards that of minority families is absurd and takes out of context the fact that most English (or Welsh, Scottish or Irish) people are not obsessed with creating some ethnostate with an intensive lebensborn type programme where women enmass are squirting out babies to secure the ethnic integrity of the English people.
@@qv8281 One big red herring. That doesn't even address anything I said.
English people should not have to deliberately have less kids because foreign people are making there be more people than there are jobs for.
This is the ethical position. Reply back with an argument against that claim or not at all. No talking about ethno states. Stay on topic. If you don't reply within a week I'll take it as a concession.
That lady at the beginning hit the nail on the head, same mistakes from generation to generation.
The people in these comment so critical yet they don’t know the life some of these people actually live mentally
"working class" british people and russian have in strange way the same syle! drinking 2 much alcohol, going out everyday with joggers and they have aggressive menthality...
You'd drink too much and be aggressive if you had to put up with the shit they do.
meow meow Tony Blair sent thousands of our young soldiers to die for ‘ weapons of mass destruction ‘ that didn’t exist, he also sold all the Uks gold stocks when it was at its lowest price aswell as opening the borders to mass immigration. Tony Blair is a criminal that should be in prison mate
@@sam-uj5ym Marxism and Lenin oh jeez lol
Youre truly uneducated
@Ani saying northerner like it's an insult 😂😂 get a grip you southern pleb. Some of the most talented and well known people in this country are northern. I'd rather live up here than that hell hole London any day aswell.
@Ani also you can be working class and southern you absolute tool what do you think every southerner is posh and rich or something? Ha ha ha
They met at KFC ....looks like he's been eating it daily ever since.
😂😂
@Quadir Lovell whats wrong with that?
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My heart goes out to these people. I'm from South Africa but boxed in Manchester twice. Life aint always easy
When Jordan said he applied for a babysitting job, the thought of him watching a baby made me faint
😅😂😅
I don't think a lot of these young guys know: If you get bad grades or fail you can go to college for free to do academic, practical/vocational courses. With the lack of literacy skills I think that plays a big part of knowing what your entitled to so you can somehow better your life; either as a student, disabled person, employee or on low incomes.
Blastoplastify I can't say for sure if they smoke weed but weed is not the problem. I think it's a cycle from one generation to the next of being comfortable with your situation not knowing/experiencing anything beyond your town.
So while that way was great for their grand/parents generation to have a steady 9-5 or working at a local factory without formal education but still providing nicely these kids are left behind naively thinking they can do the same but these kids don't know the real world yet. They can be easily motivated so it's up to responsible adults around them to guide them and sadly that seems non-existent.
Blastoplastify there's always someone blaming drugs for the issues of others even though that's not the true issue to that reason
However I do feel for that guy that’s doing everything for his family
God damn, I thought Britain was just London with nice rich people and shit, then I started listening to Uk drill and watching these documentaries. Now I realized Britain is a pretty messed up place, I would never wanna live there
The great kingdom is falling down bro, England is nothing but chavs and imigrants
In London is just chaos
England is like this: London is full of immigrants and the other cities poor white people
Id still rather live here than the US or 90% of other countries tbh
Thankyou for giving us a glimpse at the fruits of the American education system.
It's got nothing to do with being working class - Huge difference between working class lads, and lazy thugs - I'm working class, I don't beat people up - I work hard to ensure I can pay the bills, educate myself and contribute to society.
As a white working class guy i feel that the issue with many of the guys in this video isnt neccesarily a lack of opportunity but a lack of discipline
No excuse hanging out with his mates like he is a teenager
The north of England is the most depressing place on the planet.
@First Munch been all over the world son
Yeah it is but this video is not a representative of Working Class
South England is bad too, if not worse
@@BigNate6900 Yeah but are forgetting in London is so bad it has the worse crime and terror in the country and one the worse in Europe
@TheVindicator85 I'm a Labour supporter but if anything Clement Atlee nationalising all of our industries caused this. The Government went into debt, inflation soared and the country was forced to elect Thatcher who privatised everything and managed to keep inflation at bay all the while putting millions out of work and deindustralising the North. If we hadn't bit off more than we could chew back in the late 40's we wouldn't be in this mess. The future government's need to revamp the education system to help those who work more with their hands than their minds and attract investment to the economically deprived areas of Britain.
well i would say manchester is improving. these types of individuals are in the minority now really. As for natural beauty the lake district is spectacular
Thanks for the post!
Lisa "I didnt have my children for the benifits" yet had 8 children not thinking how you were going to fund their needs growing up. It's ok the world owe me a living and my 8 children who also bring nothing to the world
I wouldn't write her kids off just yet but she's awful for being so irresponsible.
It is a lot of kids and maybe should have been sterilized earlier but it's her choice, I don't envy her raising 8 kids can't be easy at all. Being a judgemental tosspot isn't enviable either, just thought I'd let you know 😂
@@anonymous-xl4px its tour choice to have 8 kids if you're able to look after them yourself l.
Once you rely on other peoples money I.e social welfare then its (shouldnt be) up to you anymore
@@blickluke i dont have 8 kids and wouldn't want to. So not sure your point. Most of the commenters here are bringing nothing to the table themselves since majority are working poor who just need someone to look down on as it helps them feel better about their own low status in society. They will not be net contributers to the public purse so really should keep quiet. This woman is irresponsible yes but thats not her kids fault and they shouldnt suffer for it. If shes a good mother who looks after them properly thats all that matters.
She should've been sterilised by force. But say that and people think you're Hitler.
Don't you love hearing the word POVERTY and then they are rolling a joint. Fuckin brilliant. 🤤
Being a working class lad means knowing the world isn't going to give you things for free, and growing up appreciative and hard working. Smashing stuff, getting pissed and using it as an excuse for punching people isn't a personality.
Exactly.
This is so dumb. Poor kids being brought up with a dad that can’t prioritise his kids over football and being a hooligan.
Actually it's most of us growing up without a dad..
13:03 , “ baby sitting jobs “ wouldn’t let him look after my kids 😂😂
Rhys 76 hahaha
@@9shazadOi Omar, you look like youd grape them innit
@@9shazad 😂😂😂😂
Ethnic Gërman wasn’t that what the Germans did to the Jews ?
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I’m saying this as a working class man, the most common problem with the working class is excuses, it’s always someone else’s fault.
I honestly have sympathy for those with a disability or who are a carer to an adult or disabled person, that’s the hand you’ve been dealt and there’s nothing you can do about it. BUT if you’re able bodied, halfway intelligent why aren’t you learning skills that are going to better your situation in life? There’s loads of resources out there it’s just finding out where to look for them.
Keep hassling companies to hire you, every week until you get somewhere, at least they will know you and know you’re keen to work for them.
If you sit there blaming everyone else for what’s going wrong in your life you’re not taking responsibility for yourself and nothing will ever change for you.
Dan Giles agreed
You act like there's no discrepancy in opportunity and chances at all between these and the middle/upper classes. Get a grip man.
@@anonymous-xl4px discrepancy is not the same as absence
Exactly. I’m working class too but going to college to learn a skill.
@@Ryan-ix6dt good for you. I've had opportunity in my life, but there are always people who have more (or less) of it than you. That sure as shit won't stop me from trying to better myself. Good luck pal 😊
That poor lad at 10:06, trying to do it all himself with no help at all. Surely his brothers could help a bit more.
I was born in Toronto, but I’ve visited Manchester over 20 time’s... its my favourite place in the world.
Wtf. I can't stand Manchester. What can you like about it?!
You need to get out more. It’s the biggest cesspit on earth.
Go to Edinburgh or York, among other places and you'll like them even more
I’m so happy my parents showed me how to survive and gave me a loving start
I’m not a pomme but I grew up proper working class. I had people around me just like this, thankfully my parents didn’t want me to grow up like they did and pushed good values onto me. It’s always how people are raised, being poor doesn’t mean you instantly can’t pursue something
My dad grew up like this and made it his mission to make something of himself delt the worst cards , dad died when he was young , mum never around and wasn't helped academically . The one thing he hates most is laziness , he grew up working class and now owns his own company , I do feel for the working class and I know it's so easy to fall in with a bad crowd especially in a bad area . But he doesn't have sympathy for adults like these . I'm very proud of my dad and he is one of the most hard working people I know .
We Were Never Asked, we were told. And when we refused, we were ignored. And now we’ve been abandoned.
Came from a working class family. Hold down a job now. Never been on benefits never will. The working class get the most pressure and the least help
Zero contracts minimum wages forced people to claim benefits to survive- so tell where are full time secure well paid jobs for the once industrial towns and cities? Climate change and China and India are now the biggest industrial countries - we moved from industrial capitalism to financial capitalism that left the traditional working class behind
You will be on benefits when the robots take over.
@@12gpm91 good mate bring fully automated luxary communism
Just another guy did you get free education did you use nhs did you get child benefits for your children ? Are you going to claim state pension - now think before you declare you NEVER claimed benefits!
@@12gpm91 u believe that💀
So much ignorance in the comments section. I'm from a working class family and it's safe to say I don't sit at home claiming benefits. Alls i do is apply for jobs and work my arse off in college. If you're willing to make an ignorant comment, at least be willing to educate yourself before you do it so you feel more stupid
Bracey Brace they showed a several people who are beating the odds.
Spot on
in order to prevent poverty, don't have kids until married, finish school/college and do any job to build a C.V. I grew up working class and this has worked for me.
Bracey Brace thank you 🙏
Jordan you’re spot on there! Be disciplined if you want to get something done for yourself and your family
If my child was ever like this omg i would cry 💀
I would give mine away for free
I wanted to be an archaeologist and my form tutor said I was too thick, what sort of teacher gets paid to say that???? Now I'm just like these lads...
Gonna tell you now, you'd make an amazing archaeologist. Friend did it, said it was the most boring job on the planet though.
How is that even allowed-
My school didn't give me the support I should have received. Was held back and not put in the top maths class. 10 years ago I was in a dead end job then quit and claimed benefits for a year. But I grafted and stayed away from scum like this and now earn over 100k
Jesus we need technical schools
Too many people and not enough jobs- no qualifications, no GCSEs, Couldn’t string together a CV. Yeh cheers Carol
We never see working class lives portrayed. Some of the boys are a bit naughty but its obvious why some kids turn out pissed off. I'm so glad to see working class folk stand up - we need more of this everywhere. But it has to be smart. Being angry is good - but deliberately being violent isn't helpful. I loved these lot in this series.
I feel for the situation the young man is in, I'm 35 and had to move into the house my mother was renting with her ex husband. She's now diagnosed with cancer and can't live without me doing most of the basics. You want to leave but you don't want to leave your mother with no one to help. Brother's, sisters and pets become your problem regardless of how your life had plans. Its just what you have to do when you are the oldest son and there's a certain amount of pride you deserve when quietly keeping things going. I would die for my family without hesitation so a prowd smile every now and then isn't too much to ask is it?
These people seem to be expecting the "system" to save them when they have scoffed at "the system" their entire lives. They didn't stay in schoool or bother to learn a trade and they expect someone to give them a job that they most likely won't be able to do or keep because of their mentality and lack of respect? This is mot about being poor, this is about being lazy, direspectful, uncivilized, unkempt and unruly. That type of behavior will keep you at the bottom every time.
Say it!!
That guy in the house looking after his mam and his autistic brother is a good lad. Fair play to you mate.
Their not working class.
Their underclass.
"In a lot of ways it feels like a good opportunity" (Joining the army)
It's the only opportunity.
I'm not saying elites choose to keep areas in decay in order to create a steady stream of military recruits, but I'm thinking it.
Yep
I grew up white and working class, knew of a couple kids here and there through some people who were stabbed to death at 15/16, I've seen beatings, drugs, gangs etc and I had no idea what I wanted to do in life.
Still, I simply avoided these things and made the choice to stay in school to be able to maximise my chances. Today, I'm in university and living in a different city and hoping to graduate in July.
You 100% have a choice to not be a thug, whether you're prospects are academic, industrial, sporting etc. Just avoid trouble.
same here , I live in a rough estate in Ireland, and my life is different because of school if I did drugs and went out drinking I wouldn't be able to afford college.
There are some nauseating comments under this programme. Someone actually used the word subhuman.
People are a reflection of their environment. Can everyone at least make some effort to understand before opinionating? Did you notice how tired everyone looked? Did you hear the lack of hope?
They are just people, they don't deserve your disrespect and prejudice.
I'm tired and lack hope but I'm not a monster like these thugs
I grew up poorer than these kids with an alcoholic parent and I chose to not follow that path. Poverty sucks and having money opens lots of opportunities to people, but there is no excuse to become a violent worthless bum. These guys blame immigrants for stealing their jobs, then later claim they quit the jobs they had to drink instead or because the job sucked. Yeah when you have no skills you will only get a shitty job, I have had plenty of them. But if you go and do your shitty job and learn some skills you can then get a better one. I took shit jobs and paid my way through college and am now a software engineer. I have tons of respect for someone who tries but none for the lazy
They weren't tired they were stoned!
The environment is the product of the people not the other way around
Yeh they’re so tired from working so hard, right
Lesson 1, don’t let your economic situation determine your whole life
Lesson one, taking life notes doesn’t do shit in practise.
How?
its not just economic poverty the are facing but deficits in emotional,social, opportunity ,experience and general capability. living with unfulfilled needs and a history of neglect/abuse leads to compounding deprivation. now imagine if they turn to addiction to cope with this. 0 status mode.
Get off your high horse and put that into practise after being brought up in a disadvantaged world. You obviously aren’t from a working class background.
@@Eclipse-bn2ng lmao
A lot of lads I know who have done really well were actually poor performers at school.
More kids need to know that hard work and positivity pays off.
It’s the drugs and booze that will convince you otherwise.
Or the wrong people around you.
Or just being ignorant like this guy
Making excuses for why they do nothing with their lives.
Unfortunately too many thick as dog shit posters on this video who just cannot comprehend the reality of inequality particularly in opportunity. They just don't get it, they think everyone has the same chances and choices in life. I think it's government brainwashing that has melted these people's minds so much...its insane the amount of nonsense many British people believe these days. Thanks, tabloids.
Joseph Coyne if you’ve grown up poor, ur gonna stay poor mostly like, then u have kids that grow up also poor, and then it just goes on and on until u get places like south london, east london, Birmingham, certain areas of Manchester and certain areas of north london where everyone’s poor and just cant afford nothing, I spent weeks without any WiFi and days without gas and believe me, it got boring af, i walked into a shop and just thought to my self, imagine if I could put all this in a shopping trolly and just run straight out the shop with it, in the UK I probably could get away with that but i never got round to it cuz i aint doing that on my ones but also I don’t kno anyone not pussy enough to do that with me
Crazy Days It’s because they’re white mate and there is a lot of scrutiny of “white males” in this society nowadays - everyone is being programmed to cater towards the immigrants now. The comment section would be a lot more sympathetic if this video was centered around poor arabs instead of poor whites, just saying.
John Burton 😂😂😂
anon ymous you’re chatting shit. I’ve lived in a council house me entire life had some struggles through childhood but it’s literally a case of finding the right path. I’ve found meself an apprenticeship as I’m better with me hands as well and doing well for 20. Same goes for all my mates. Yeah lack of opportunity exists but it’s a case of going out there and finding a job, there’s plenty of apprenticeships that’s are on offer. Most people are happy and content with just making excuses and not taking ownership with the fact they haven’t done anything with their lives.
0 hour contracts are a massive factor on the bad times this country is seeing... the government loves it because it shows that unemployment figures have dropped. when in fact people are getting no hours losing their housing benefits etc and getting into massive debt and even eviction. 0 hour contracts should be banned. and i also know that the job centre were encouraged to get their clients to go self employed making shit businesses with no hope of it ever working just so unemployment figures look better. also putting endless amounts of people on courses with no jobs available trackwork security etc.
0 hours contracts allow people to work when there isn't a full time position available. Would you rather them not work at all?
Kane Knight i work in welfare and have seen first hand how much of a problem 0 hour contacts cause iv seen so many people end up not being able to afford their house becausr they have signed off jsa or esa on a 0 hour contract. Ended up getting no hours and not being able to reclaim jsa for 6 weeks because they have technically quit. There should a certain hours guaranteed
0 hours contracts disallows people security and a standard of living to aspire.
Your attempt at a rhetorical question is thwarted by your lack of imagination in solutions.
Your conundrum offering 'to work or not to work?' is a defeasible premise by the omission of the simple solution: Change of policy.
I know you were probably being facetious, and are about to hit back with quotes out the Lexus and the olive tree or some other drivel about free market capitalism, trickle down economics, and how the corporates will throw their toys out the pram and move their rinky dink jobs somewhere else... but I'm not going to waste my time rehabilitating the ignorant. You'll just have to get on your bike and find it all out for yourself.
djwynny No need for a ban, only more education to earn people of the disadvantages of 0 hour contracts, and rules to make sure people who can't survive on 0 hour contracts don't get them.
Gus ra again you think people on jsa esa can be picky about what jobs they can say yes and no to ??? Turned anything down and your sanctioned immediately.
I grew up in an area with people ("role-models") like this...I hated it. Best thing you can do is move out of the area (if possible) into a new environment, where you'll be inspired and encouraged to take responsibility, improve yourself and understand that you don't have accept your previous experience of a relentlessly noisy, childish, aggressive and volatile way of life. It'll be challenging but it'll also be a relief.
BBC Middle class ideal of the working classes.
Is it really being presented as an ideal?
@@backYARDbanter13 Ive been pondering that ever since I posted that comment a year ago,I've had so many sleepless nights racking my brains over was ideal the right word to use, you wouldn't believe the stress it's caused me, i was just getting over it, thanks to therapy and medication and you had to bring it up again.thanks alot buddy👍nice one
@@mavis3916 how exactly should I have responded? I think that is just about the most gentle way I could signal disagreement - but happy to hear other suggestions. However, you expecting to be able to post in a public forum without any pushback at all doesn't seem reasonable to me
@@backYARDbanter13 don't take it personal, just think your point was picky but hey your entitled to it,but my response also does not have to be to your liking too
@Polite Comments On Current Affairs If the BBC really wanted to help white working class Manks they could probably employ a couple more. But on the left, diversity means male and white is at the bottom of the pile.
“Too many people and not enough jobs”.
That gets me.
She’s obviously eluding to immigrants.
But she, herself, produced many kids herself.
Hm.
I'm from st Helens work in mcr piss easy to get a job she lying
She's right. Why do you assume she's talking about immigrants?
@@paulbradynsno8513 what qualifications u got tho mate doubt ur 17 with no experience and no one's hiring because u have no experience 😂
@@johnnyappleseed3133 Exactly what i am 😂
Even if she is talking about immigration, the only reason the UN are flooding us with migrants in a "replacement migration " program is because British women are not having replacement levels of children. British women on average have less than 2 children.
What a sad depressing series.
To be honest I can see why these guys ended up like this. Imagine going to a poorly funded school with kids with disciplinary problems and having to defend yourself from fights and bullies. You look around and you have no “decent” role models. :(
11:16 A british classic, along with Millie B’s Soph Aspin send
no way they sung that seriously 🤣
Bad parenting! These men have been brought up badly by parents who’ve failed to guide them in the right direction.
You’re not wrong the problem is however that it’s a cycle. Their parents were never brought up correctly and so they don’t know how to raise their kids and so the kids in this video won’t know how to raise their kids. It’s inescapable to some extent.
Jfhoxigxjgxgotixjgxitxitx yes I agree with you. America has this with the black on black gun culture in Detroit. We do largely grow up to be like our parents. We become our surroundings. The apple never falls far from the tree.
Marc Wareham Well done captain obvious. Their parents probably had the same bad upbringing too and the kids will become shitty parents one day and on it goes.
Now, what's the solution?
bigbad123321 the answers obvious! Good parenting you half wit!
Oh right, how do you get them to be good parents then when they don't know any different?
One of Manchester’s best boxing gyms just up the street from that park, Give it a go lads
I REMEMBER IN THE 1988 UP TO 25 YEARS LATER PEOPLE COULD HAVE 3 WORK PLACES TO GO AND NOW U BE LUCKY TO HAVE 1 WORK PLACE TO GO TO. GLADYS IN EAST LONDON. I HOPE THINGS IMPROVE SOON FOR OUR LOVE ONES.
8:20 PFA for Army is bonkers, go for it lad! Hope you made it.
That woman keep justifying herself saying things like: I didn’t get all these kids to claim benefit or some of us want to have a lot of kids .. when in reality she brought these kids to life because of her ignorance, lack of responsibility and likely so she can claim benefits. And now everyone is suffering.
Times are tough, no doubt about that, bringing a life to this world is a huge responsibility. Be smart, make sure you can provide for them before you decide to bring them to this life.
Nour Nour typical benefit busters in the UK, can’t be bothered to get a job so squeeze out kids for government handouts
Bang on mate I'm in and out of work not the brightest but know not to breed can't provide properly for me why the fuck would you multiply
I don't have kids but what if you have a child because the contraception failed or you have children at a time you could afford it but then down the line the shit hits the fan & you fall on hard times.
Exactly. I'm 31. And would love to have started a family sooner but I needed to ensure I was in a good financial position. I now am and can afford time off work for maternity, childminders, after school activities, whole food, home cooked food and my children will also be getting extra tuition/ tutoring which I will also pay for. I want them to be the best they can be
Although to be fair I'm greedy and there's a chance I could go up by 6k annually within 12 months, so I'm thinking of waiting it out, increasing my salary by the 6k in the next 12 months, then having kids. That extra 6k a year would mean an even better life
When they started rapping little T 😂😪 cringe levels off the scale
This is the funniest yet depressing shit I’ve seen all day
This is scarily accurate
mate when they started doing little t road rage i lost it😂
11:17 excuuuuse me 😂😂😂
Not really something to be laughing about, when 15 year olds are rapping about raping someones sister!
AvengedAmaranth36 what’s wrong with rape like?
Little T
Andrew /// there's a special place for pedo and rapists. Fortunately this world is full of light than evil. The old saying: love conquers all
Single mums churning out the kids "because I wanted to." But never even considering whether she could afford to.
Exactly what I was thinking. She’s just created a load more problems.
@@antejl7925 But why should other working people have to pay for her to sit on her back side all day. She should have more self respect, get a job and demonstrate more independence.
@@antejl7925 Margaret had the money to splash out. If you can't afford to bring children into this world and bring them up responsibly then don't have kids.
@@antejl7925 At least Margaret had some royal duties and brought in some tourists. This woman is not paying any tax and just claiming benefits for sitting around all day.
Don’t you have to work to be working class !
They’re broke but they have iPhones and Xbox’s and booze and smokes
Right
stolen mate
@D Hools,
*All humans* who regularly see advertisements for items and relationships that promise escape from misery, some form of convenience and pleasure *desire luxury possessions* and the experiences they're conned into believing those items and relationships will provide. It's a *capitalistic psychological scam.* It is an opportunistically exploited human fault. Blame *"free-market" hyper-capitalism* and its companion *inhumane advertising,* directed by *corrupt government politicians' friends* who own and run and possess large shares in mid-size and large-size corporations. Such desires cause *crime* as well. It's "trickle down" corruption.
@@OakleyANDSittingBull One cannot blame a single thing on this complicated hot mess. In short, it's their lives on the line -- they need to give a shit.
@@Trudon xboxs are £100 😂😂
@@OakleyANDSittingBull well said!!
11:17 🤦♂️😂 Little T is a great role model and rapper for youths 😂
Imagine going to a pub after a sport match and the opposing teams fans come in and start a riot. I know it happens both sides but i never bloody understood it.
It’s down to the parents to give them that drive of wanting to go to college etc. When I was growing up we struggled to food on the table even with both of my parents working and instead of letting me go down the route my friends were going down they always made me work hard to get the grades so I could go to university and have the life they never had. They didn’t want me to struggle when I was older and I’m grateful for them do it
its also down to the education system
Very late reply but yes I agree. As an immigrant child I’m very lucky to have grown up in the uk with parents that encouraged me to prioritise school. I’m not a genius but I’ve still managed to get a place in a Russell group. I agree the uk school system is partly at fault but you don’t have to be Albert Einstein to get into uni. When I have kids I will 100% make the effort to spend extra money when it comes to academics
Colleges are nothing but indoctrination centers now. Trade schools are where the money is at. Don't waste your money & future on college. College has gotten crazy expensive with kids getting themselves in long term debt over it. Peace from USA.