Caught on CAMERA: landing without flaps

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  • Date: February 4th, 2022
    Aircraft: Embraer E175LR
    Registration number: N249NN
    Age: 5 years
    Airline: American Eagle operated by Envoy Air
    Location: Chicago O'Hare International Airport
    Runway: 28C
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  • @lifetimedreamvideos985
    @lifetimedreamvideos985 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1066

    I used to land 757s in La Paz, Bolivia. The airport altitude is 13,313 feet above sea level. Every landing was about 170 knots ground speed with flaps. Every takeoff was about 195 knots ground speed, the maximum tire speed. It also took two air start carts plus the APU air to start each engine. Also, we had to wear oxygen masks from the before starting engines checklist until the cabin altitude was below 10,000 feet, after takeoff. Interesting place. It's the highest commercial airport on the planet.

    • @Jkur2009
      @Jkur2009 2 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      It helps if one of the crew squirts some ether into the turbine while you’re trying to start it. You should always carry a can of it in your flight bag.

    • @STERENN.
      @STERENN. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Interesting experience !
      However the highests airports in the world are Daocheng Yading and Qamdo in China. La Paz is now in 6th position. Higher and higher

    • @aviatorboss9978
      @aviatorboss9978 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I assume that was for american,i flew into viru viru multiple times and often stopped in la paz for abit before flying to viru viru,had to really hold my self together to keep from vomiting due to altitude

    • @carlosbielli4780
      @carlosbielli4780 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      We do the same with the 707s and 727s of Aerolíneas Argentinas. In the 727 we started the engines only with the APU.
      With the 707 the problem was the neumatic pressurization system because the oxigen mask drop at 14000 FT, very near to the airport elevation.

    • @gnarlock3927
      @gnarlock3927 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      That is crazy lol I wonder if the manufacturer factored in that one airport at crazy altitude

  • @TailHeavyProductions
    @TailHeavyProductions 2 ปีที่แล้ว +483

    Job well done! On the Embraer, a no flap landing is a non-event. The no flap approach speed depends on the aircraft weight, but for 170/190s, it typically sits between 160-180 knots. In order to prevent floating down the runway, pulling the power to idle for the start of the round-out happens typically at the "100" foot radar altimeter call out. This is as opposed to 30-50 feet for normal landings. The plane feels the same as with flaps during the deceleration/roll out and comes to a stop no issues. During some simulator scenarios training for this exact event, it has been proven that with a longer runway you can come to a stop before the end on a no flap landing by solely using max reverse thrust and ground spoilers. Great footage and nice video!

    • @thomasmartin7425
      @thomasmartin7425 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If I recall they only drop 5 to 10 landing anyway.

    • @TailHeavyProductions
      @TailHeavyProductions 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@thomasmartin7425 Do you mean the flaps only go down 5-10 degrees? Mind clarifying? :-)

    • @thomasmartin7425
      @thomasmartin7425 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TailHeavyProductions I believe so, yes. Though I've only flown on them. Having had an over wing seat I noted the shallow flap setting. I questioned the captain who stated it is a standard setting.

    • @TailHeavyProductions
      @TailHeavyProductions 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@thomasmartin7425 Normal landing flaps (flaps 5) has the slats at 25 degrees and flaps at 20. Full the slats remain at 25 and flaps go down to 37 degrees. Full is used only for shorter runways or landing on contaminated runways for braking distance.

    • @thomasmartin7425
      @thomasmartin7425 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TailHeavyProductions I'm thinking of another aircraft then.

  • @jakgats1411
    @jakgats1411 2 ปีที่แล้ว +338

    wow she was coming in hot, still buttered that landing! albeit melted butter from those hot brakes. props to the cap & co.

    • @f1master973
      @f1master973 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      They can manage brake temps easily as they are monitorized inside the cockpit, so low external temps and good pilots factored in and zero smoking appearing.

    • @MrBen527
      @MrBen527 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      That's what thrust reversers are for

    • @OOpSjm
      @OOpSjm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Auto

    • @rogerl7533
      @rogerl7533 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@f1master973 'monitored', not 'monitorized'.

    • @rayanaltowayan9558
      @rayanaltowayan9558 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Reverse thrust

  • @williamdavidcraigjr7841
    @williamdavidcraigjr7841 2 ปีที่แล้ว +127

    That landing was so smooth, I bet most of the passengers didn't even notice anything wrong. Until the fire trucks showed up

    • @JonBoullion1020
      @JonBoullion1020 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Idk man, the right turn off the runway makes me wonder how far left the passengers were leaning at that speed lol.

    • @OfficialSamuelC
      @OfficialSamuelC 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Passengers would’ve noticed that speed if they’ve flown a few times before. That fast exit would’ve shifted your g force a bit to the left though haha.

    • @HuckThis1971
      @HuckThis1971 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Fire trucks followed in case of the brakes catching fire. Let's just say they got real hot on that landing.

    • @baomao7243
      @baomao7243 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@OfficialSamuelC I have to agree. Out the window you see everything at the airport move by REALLY fast. Then later as you slow you start to smell the steadily intensifying odor of burnt brakes.

  • @12345678939218
    @12345678939218 2 ปีที่แล้ว +126

    The turn to catch the last exit from the runway show us how strong that tyres and landing gear are. Amazing engineering. Congrats to the pilots as well.

    • @donaldcbarronto2050
      @donaldcbarronto2050 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Amazing thanks landing

    • @donaldcbarronto2050
      @donaldcbarronto2050 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wow

    • @uwekonnigsstaddt524
      @uwekonnigsstaddt524 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just imagine the Mirage III landing about 186 knots every time; it is one of the disadvantages of a Delta wing-equipped fighter.

    • @tonycollinsworth7393
      @tonycollinsworth7393 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You actually have more control with no flaps you’re going faster do you have more control in across one that can be beneficial

    • @12345678939218
      @12345678939218 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tonycollinsworth7393 dont know that. :) thanks.

  • @ThisIsKeef
    @ThisIsKeef 2 ปีที่แล้ว +106

    This pilot took off late but landed on time!

  • @sandro2778
    @sandro2778 2 ปีที่แล้ว +351

    Great landing, great piloting, great plane. Well done everyone involved.

    • @dimagunko2495
      @dimagunko2495 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Great cameraman ☝

    • @whoprofits2661
      @whoprofits2661 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Great landing and piloting - YES. Great plane - NO.

    • @sandro2778
      @sandro2778 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@whoprofits2661 you are entitled to your opinion , I am entitled to mine. I believe to be a great plane.

    • @whoprofits2661
      @whoprofits2661 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sandro2778 Agreed, we're all entitled to our opinions.

    • @sandro2778
      @sandro2778 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@whoprofits2661 have a great day.

  • @timmack2415
    @timmack2415 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    It's always great to see everyone walk away. Pilot did a fantastic job

    • @TheTrebbieFan
      @TheTrebbieFan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Any landing you walk away from is a good landing!

  • @ricardooconnor2362
    @ricardooconnor2362 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I thank each and every pilot out there doing what they do flying these planes each day. We appreciate what you guys do.

  • @toospeed31
    @toospeed31 2 ปีที่แล้ว +127

    From what I was told by a former captain at Delta, the grease in the bearings would freeze and the flaps would not work. He said they fixed the issue by getting grease that wouldn’t freeze. His route was from New York to Toronto so it was a cold weather issue.

    • @Techie1224
      @Techie1224 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      no synthitic grease ??

    • @OOpSjm
      @OOpSjm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Techie1224 that would be the replacement.

    • @eversurfer
      @eversurfer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Freezing would mean melting then refreezing as it melts in all the wrong places an accumulation. Which would indicate the melted ice does not drain. Meaning that it is a possible design problem.
      The temperatures in flight vary hugely. Probably negative 60F below zero.

    • @19krpm
      @19krpm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Doubtful lubrication was the root cause. We'll have to wait for the report though. Aviation specific grease was undoubtedly being used, and even if it wasn't, a full failure from that would be unlikely. If there was binding that caused an asymmetrical flap deployment, they would have some percentage of flap deployment. None points to a system failure.

    • @yakacm
      @yakacm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That's very hard to believe considering the air temp at 30,000 feet is -45C or -48F, and jet liners are designed to cruise at that altitudes all day long. It's a big ask for us to believe that aircraft manufactures wouldn't have taken this in to consideration. I mean if it was true, none of the moveable surfaces on an aircraft would work at altitude, and that's obviously not the case. Cold weather lubricants have been around since at least WW2, The Russians had cold weather lubricants and the Germans didn't, hence why on the Eastern front, the Russians tanks kept moving during the winter and the Germans broke down.

  • @seycheles27
    @seycheles27 2 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    2 Things:
    1. Great advsertisement for Embraer.
    2. Good piloting.

    • @brentj.peterson6070
      @brentj.peterson6070 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Was it mechanical issue or a Fucck up,?

    • @battatouile8135
      @battatouile8135 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@brentj.peterson6070 probably a problem due to lack of maintenance

    • @leominella
      @leominella 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      How can a mechanical failure be good advertisement for Embraer? Flaps malfunction is not uncommon among E-Jets.

    • @battatouile8135
      @battatouile8135 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@leominella a safe plane that lands even without flaps. this is amazing

    • @seycheles27
      @seycheles27 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@leominella as a former flight crew you are right. Flaps malfunction are not uncommon. The most common one is flaps asymmetry but landing with zero flaps configuration that is not a common event, especially for a small aircraft that does not have a big wing surface area. So yes it is a good AD for that company.

  • @oliverwheatley1378
    @oliverwheatley1378 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Credit to the pilot here. Great performance 👏

  • @camerorm
    @camerorm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    Great landing and well managed. The fact it was a cold day probably helped with the brake temps

    • @thomasmartin7425
      @thomasmartin7425 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      No doubt. Cold is a friend on a cooked landing

    • @cha-ka8671
      @cha-ka8671 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cold helps everything except lift. Am I wrong? Engine performance, max fuel, cooler hydraulics…

    • @viahj
      @viahj 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      that and air density

  • @justaplaneguy2938
    @justaplaneguy2938 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Nice Capture!!! When i passed my checkride the CFI pulled the circut breaker for the flaps. Its a weird feeling after the fact… your in enough control to continue the approach and not go around... but too focused for troubleshooting even though something was slightly off. #1 priority as a pilot is to aviate above all else.

  • @ricknelson947
    @ricknelson947 2 ปีที่แล้ว +245

    Great landing, great pilots with awesome ground support to back them up. There must have been an issue that was simply handled safely and professionally.

    • @Rightforrightright
      @Rightforrightright 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Short field runway?

    • @podunkman2709
      @podunkman2709 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Just a landing honey. Nothing special. Especially with such small plane. No exaltation.

    • @rjwood6314
      @rjwood6314 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@podunkman2709 with a clear malfunction or error because the flaps were up sweetcheeks

    • @MasterMayhem78
      @MasterMayhem78 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@podunkman2709 Your condescension stinks 🤢

    • @jamesmmusic5806
      @jamesmmusic5806 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@podunkman2709 haha no idea

  • @Torreiro
    @Torreiro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I love our Brazilian planes! I love Embraer and I'm proud of my country!!! 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷💖💖💖

    • @ianross1660
      @ianross1660 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I am not a BRAZILIAN,BUT STRONGLY AGREE WITH YOU

    • @jcbra4771
      @jcbra4771 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Most of it is not Brazilian anymore. Same as other "big" industries that were bought and now managed by international corporations. Embraer is still conservative in their technologies.

    • @putzz67767
      @putzz67767 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jcbra4771 Bla Bla Bla!

  • @FunYl
    @FunYl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +135

    Great pilot, great aircraft, great landing! 👏👏👍

    • @josesilva9745
      @josesilva9745 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      verdade.

    • @rezekiyo
      @rezekiyo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      But lousy country

    • @whoprofits2661
      @whoprofits2661 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Great pilot and landing. Just okay-ish aircraft.

    • @danilopoke5607
      @danilopoke5607 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great aircraft

  • @joezilla911
    @joezilla911 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Nice catch, and great video! Glad it all worked out and everyone was safe!

  • @davekimball3610
    @davekimball3610 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great footage Spotter. Stay warm out there!

  • @dusman3520
    @dusman3520 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Beautiful smooth buttery landing even at such a high speed .
    No panic at all

  • @MyFlightTV1
    @MyFlightTV1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +163

    On training flights in the USAF we would do no-flap landings in the C-5 for our full stop landing at the end of the flight and they were always exciting. 180 knots vs 130 knots… all variable of course depending on cargo weight but 180 knots was common.

    • @thomasmartin7425
      @thomasmartin7425 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Same in the 17. We could feel the heat radiating from tires and brakes post landing walk around.

    • @frankyth11910
      @frankyth11910 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Talk about coming in hotttt

    • @jumboJetPilot
      @jumboJetPilot 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Our 25° and 30° flap approach speeds in the 747 are at and above the C-5’s no flap speeds! I was a Dover guy myself; 1999-2019.

    • @thomasmartin7425
      @thomasmartin7425 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jumboJetPilot Hello Dover Driver. I was a 130 driver out of Maxwell AFB. Touch done in Dover a time or two.

    • @jumboJetPilot
      @jumboJetPilot 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@thomasmartin7425 very cool! Small world!

  • @rchrdsn
    @rchrdsn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great landing. Showing both it and a normal landing was very useful to give us a greater idea of the difference, especially by sync'ing at the touchdown moment. I'm glad they still had the slats deployed. I guess that helped.

  • @michaelgkellygreen
    @michaelgkellygreen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Great catch, really like the comparison between normal and a no flaps landing.

  • @RCINFORMER
    @RCINFORMER 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Nice landing! It looks like the slats were extended... its usually a non event. I landed an E145 with zero flaps once, at 170 kts. Mostly its a non-event, the trucks are there as a backup in case you blow a tire and depart the runway.

    • @TheGreyAreaBetween
      @TheGreyAreaBetween 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I thought the fire crews rolled out more for the risk coming from hot breaks rather than a blown tyre.

  • @thunderamu9543
    @thunderamu9543 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Excellent airmanship! Obviously a flap malfunction discovered prior to landing evidenced by emergency crews staged for overrun or hot brakes.

  • @Gouto-
    @Gouto- 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Wow that’s rare! Well done on catching something as unique as this! 🤩👍👍

    • @willyTB1962
      @willyTB1962 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not as rare as you may think..

  • @danielgielchinsky6951
    @danielgielchinsky6951 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Yikes, she was ripping - and in snowy / wet conditions. Great landing and turn off the exit.

  • @Crysbee_Air_Japan
    @Crysbee_Air_Japan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great catch & edit! Subscribed!

  • @lbowsk
    @lbowsk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    "They barely made the second High-Speed" Well, they still had over 4000 feet remaining. Why the outrage?

    • @mvanrensburg5497
      @mvanrensburg5497 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@birgirorngujonsson7868 nope - no flaps landing is technically an emergency landing so the pilot has all the time in the world to get off the runway. It's therefor highly unlikely ATC will line up a plane behind him so close because 1000 things can go wrong and will put the plane landing behind him, at risk.

    • @mvanrensburg5497
      @mvanrensburg5497 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@birgirorngujonsson7868 It gets automatically treated as an emergency (a low emergency) ---- the fire trucks doesn't get rolled out for pleasure.

    • @mvanrensburg5497
      @mvanrensburg5497 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@birgirorngujonsson7868 Firetrucks inspecting every landing aircraft, wow. I guess BIKF 's firetrucks are being kept busy hey....please reply! I beg you!

    • @Mash4096
      @Mash4096 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah, I also don't understand why they insisted on that exit. That turn off the runway must've been a heck of a wild ride for those passengers on port side with their nose against the window.

    • @lbowsk
      @lbowsk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@birgirorngujonsson7868 That is 100 percent the controllers' problem. I own the runway once cleared to land and until I leave it. That's true in normal ops. If I am doing a Zero-Flap landing I am calling MAYDAY 3 times. Overly dramatic and probably unnecessary? Hell yes! But my ticket is on the line while playing test pilot so I would like some insurance. If you step on your crank Mister FAA and your Chief Pilot are going to be asking questions. 33 years of flying and I never had fire trucks follow me off the runway. So I think this was a pretty unusual situation.

  • @GARCKY
    @GARCKY 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Had that happen flying into MSP on a Sun Country 737. We were put in a holding pattern, and I could hear them trying to deploy flaps several times. No go, so we landed no flaps. A little faster on touchdown and coming off the runway farther down than usual. Otherwise, it seemed mostly like a normal landing. I was in my usual window seat in an exit row over the wing.

    • @baomao7243
      @baomao7243 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You sound like me - I love window seats on the wings so I can watch/hear all flight surface and landing gear mechanisms.
      But it is NOT lost of me that I am sitting at the fire exit. (In fact, every time the flight attendant asks whether we accept the responsibility to assist, I respond back with, “follow me out”.)

  • @Inatsikap
    @Inatsikap 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    excellent flying with totally no floating - well done the pilots. It being really cold helped to cool down the breaks and tyres fairly quickly :)

  • @garretmaki2564
    @garretmaki2564 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was on a Southwest Jet inbound to Burbank many years ago where flaps would not deploy. We diverted to Ontario. It was one of the smoothest landing I ever experienced. Only bad thing was I had to rent a car to get home.

  • @samhackney5977
    @samhackney5977 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I would love to have been on board. That was a beautiful landing! Damn good pilot.

  • @GuilhermeTeixeira85
    @GuilhermeTeixeira85 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great landing and great aricraft, congratulations!

  • @travel4life211
    @travel4life211 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    First of all great video and thanks for the content. This is quite rare to see.
    Also the job by the pilots is fantastic. Well done guys/or girl. 👌

  • @johnfenlon458
    @johnfenlon458 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Job Done Excellent! I rode MD-80 TWA last 1989. The plane was landing at about 170 knots ground speed with flaps at St. Louis, MO. from SFO. It was 2 1/2 hours pretty fast and the reserve engines were powerful and loud, then turned into a taxi (end of the runway) and turned left on the road off reserve engines. Pretty quickly. I will never forget!! Thumbs up! Cheers! TWA Champs!

  • @jochentreitel7397
    @jochentreitel7397 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The pilot needed to see the restroom - or he/she was on an appointment. ;-) Nice smooth landing!

  • @davidnorris6262
    @davidnorris6262 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    what a great landing, these pilots deserve a medal fantastic job guys

    • @TheGrumpyEnglishman
      @TheGrumpyEnglishman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      A medal simply for doing their jobs?

    • @19krpm
      @19krpm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheGrumpyEnglishman it was either this or landing it in the Hudson 😆.

    • @vinquinn
      @vinquinn 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      A medal for forgetting the flaps?

  • @artgophotographyrallyandav4994
    @artgophotographyrallyandav4994 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice clip
    , i've been on a Thomas Cook A320 emergency landing without flaps IST-MAN and it was masking tape jammed in the slats that caused the malfunction !!

  • @hockey4lifeish
    @hockey4lifeish 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Great job by the pilots getting a super smooth landing in regardless

  • @jadirfernandes2660
    @jadirfernandes2660 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Fantastico, administrou muito bem a aterrissagem sem flaps! SHOW!

  • @aviator28r
    @aviator28r 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great catch of a CFD standby alert

  • @RuiPlaneSpotter
    @RuiPlaneSpotter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic video my friend!

  • @gerardmoran9560
    @gerardmoran9560 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Fortunately they were able to extend the slats. The slats permit a higher AoA on approach and provide better performance than a no-flap/slat approach.

    • @maxun1
      @maxun1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      the slats on the emb175 deploy in the first notch of flaps auto, so he may have a malfunction on the flaps in the other notch's.

    • @gerardmoran9560
      @gerardmoran9560 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@maxun1 Never flew it. Some jets lock the flaps if an asymmetry is detected. They did a nice job and were fortunate to have the slats.

    • @leemingmerlin
      @leemingmerlin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bollocks!!

    • @Kalvinjj
      @Kalvinjj 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@leemingmerlin Care to explain why?

  • @The_only-one
    @The_only-one 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    If emergency vehicles were waiting, there had to be an emergency declared. Either they lost function of flaps or other hydraulic malfunctions. Either way awesome landing! Superb! I see the plane did wait for emergency crew to make a visual of all ok.

  • @guidosarducci166
    @guidosarducci166 2 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    Good catch. Yeah, no flap landings can be exciting, but given ORD's runways it's still well into the "not terribly concerned" margin. I am surprised they went for the high speed though. The biggest danger of no flap landings is managing brake temperatures. The easier you are on them, the less likely you'll have issues with blown fuse plugs and/or brake fires. Even after you've stopped, those brake temps will continue to climb for a bit which is why CFR is trailing him all the way to the gate.

    • @dlvox5222
      @dlvox5222 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The temps helped for sure.

    • @12345fowler
      @12345fowler 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Well nothing to worry about because brakes are certified for MTOW reject tak-off at V1 which is far more hard on the brakes than a no flaps landing at typical landing weight. So yes brakes will get hot but who cares if you made your landing sucessful and stopped it your alreay are the heroe of the day. If the tires fuse goes off then let the mechanics deal with it and buy your team some beer.

    • @fafner1
      @fafner1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@12345fowler If the fuse plugs blow, it's standard policy to throw away the very expensive wheels, as the aluminum has likely been annealed by the heat. Not a big deal if lives are at stake, but something otherwise to be avoided.

    • @tonyclifton1278
      @tonyclifton1278 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Agreed. I've had limited experience landing in cold weather situations but I'd imagine that runway would be quite slippery. Looks like they were still going quite fast when they made the turn. Last thing you'd want is to go off into the snow. Although that would help with the brake temps.

    • @markg7963
      @markg7963 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@12345fowler I disagree with that logic. No reason to test the situation and potentially make it worse. And no reason to make the repair more expensive. “Who cares”? Company, pilots, mechanics, passengers, controllers, fire crews, pretty much everybody.

  • @Silo-Ren
    @Silo-Ren 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good thing he had more good then bad against him. He was, light, spoilers and breaks worked, and had plenty of runway to stop, just don't know if the tires are gonna like that high speed turn. Great little channel you have here my friend, just smashed that subb. 👍

  • @totordudu3014
    @totordudu3014 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good job ! It looks so simple, congratulations to the pilots!

  • @ChrisZoomER
    @ChrisZoomER 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Woah, I just realized how big the winglets of the E175LR are!

  • @cherylreichardt
    @cherylreichardt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Wow! That was some experience! Excellent work covering that Spotter. Glad all were okay:) Just found out Frontier and Spirit are going to merge. This mean the Banana has to split????:(

  • @AzimuthAviation
    @AzimuthAviation 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The 175 is a joy to fly. I like big brakes and can not lie. A normal landing with autobrakes set low and we'd keep the reversers closed to avoid FOD. The brakes set to medium, flaps 5, and tossing out the reversers is impressive.

  • @andreasl-punkt
    @andreasl-punkt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice Video, thanks a lot! Very good idea to show the comparison!

  • @brianwest2775
    @brianwest2775 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Kudos to the brake designers too. 41% over speed and the brakes didn't even smoke! Perhaps it was a light load.

    • @ronaldfischer1195
      @ronaldfischer1195 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Probably carbon fiber brakes. Either way, they are designed to withstand that amount of force.

    • @f1master973
      @f1master973 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ronaldfischer1195 Sure the brakes are, but last time a flew one of these it was also hot approaching MAD and while I was seated right next to the landing gear the touch down sounded like it was all about to crush.

    • @peanuts2105
      @peanuts2105 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      They will be smoking when it stops on stand. Wheel change are required too if my memory serves me correctly

    • @ronaldfischer1195
      @ronaldfischer1195 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@peanuts2105 There is a certain temperature where they would have to stop the aircraft and do an evacuation. I'm fairly confident if the brakes are smoking, they will evacuate due to a fire hazard.

    • @peanuts2105
      @peanuts2105 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ronaldfischer1195 I work on 787 Screamliners and they smoke occasionally. No issue there.

  • @ahmedmahfadi1631
    @ahmedmahfadi1631 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Wow! Very professional crew. They did a great job by landing this Boing with a flaps failure!

    • @kamaruddin9172
      @kamaruddin9172 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not a Boeing, look like Embraer to me.

    • @erich930
      @erich930 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kamaruddin9172 Embraer E175.

  • @Nick.J.T
    @Nick.J.T 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pretty American Airlines was praying the brakes wouldn't melt while watching this lol

  • @GaryNumeroUno
    @GaryNumeroUno 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looked like a 'greaser'. Very slick and smooth touchdown. Nice work.

  • @philiphall2675
    @philiphall2675 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    No flap landings are practiced regularly in the simulator. They're a non-emergency emergency. Just gotta plan on a longer then normal ground roll and try to not overheat the brakes if you can. But you usually do make a real grease job landing though.

    • @makantahi3731
      @makantahi3731 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      what about wheels, what is max landing speed

    • @fabrizio737
      @fabrizio737 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@makantahi3731 idk on Embraer, but on 737 is about 180 knots. I guess on Embraer its similar. considering the Embraer lost speed on flare, he might have landed about 166/162 knots

    • @JSFGuy
      @JSFGuy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@makantahi3731 oftentimes the tires are rated at somewhere around 240 kts.
      Normally nobody lands above 160 kts. The tires have to be rated higher than ever encountered.

    • @makantahi3731
      @makantahi3731 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JSFGuy thanks, i know case where mig21 pilot had hydro fail and had to land with no flaps, he knew that tires will fail over 360km/h so he activated chute just when touched runway and tires failed , and chute stabilized him to slow down inline

    • @JSFGuy
      @JSFGuy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@makantahi3731 Right, that's a whole other ballgame right there. Micro Delta Wing compared to us dynamically stable aircraft as one in this video. They usually make plans for such events on the fighters for sure as well as a generally aviation. They train and prepare for it it's just another event.

  • @Jetmech01
    @Jetmech01 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Probably a flap asymmetry problem (split flap condition). In a split flap condition, there’s a solenoid that will lock out the flaps when a split flap condition is detected by the flap position sensor. What ever the flap position is at the time of the lockout is what you will be landing with.

    • @matthewellisor5835
      @matthewellisor5835 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      👆

    • @232K7
      @232K7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's genius damn

    • @lukepotosky7710
      @lukepotosky7710 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That seems like a bad idea. What if, you were using your flaps to turn and then a lockout happened? You would be stuck in that turn.

    • @Stang70Fastback
      @Stang70Fastback 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@lukepotosky7710 Flaps aren't used to turn.

    • @jamesmmusic5806
      @jamesmmusic5806 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@lukepotosky7710 ailerons are for turning bro

  • @martinda7446
    @martinda7446 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not even a wisp of smoke as it gently touched down - perfection.

  • @sorin_ion8151
    @sorin_ion8151 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    that embraer is badass !
    i fell in love with it from the first time .

  • @afreightdogslife
    @afreightdogslife 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    It reminded me of that time so long ago, when I used to fly MD11s. Our normal short final speed and touchdown as 169 knots with flaps 50.

    • @willyTB1962
      @willyTB1962 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agree brother! Flew the MDLemon for 8 yrs at UPS. Loved it…but it has very fast approach speeds.

    • @alhanes5803
      @alhanes5803 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@willyTB1962
      No u didn't.

    • @fahadali7616
      @fahadali7616 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The MD 11 was and will always be my favorite airplane , Awesomely looking aircraft that will be missed in world sky's.

  • @gokceralp
    @gokceralp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    This landing looks perfect! There must be a very talented and ecperienced pilot on command. If such a great pilot lands with no flaps and faster than required, there must be a problem with flaps. I don't think this was pilots' fault. After landing, emergency vehicles headed to the plane. It's for sure there was a problem with the airliner, so pilots must have asked for an emergency preparing while approaching.

    • @paulstambaugh4847
      @paulstambaugh4847 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      No flap landings are part of the training.

    • @Triggernlfrl
      @Triggernlfrl 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Depends on some factors if flaps are needed or not.
      Like wind, load etc..

    • @Csantos1941
      @Csantos1941 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@paulstambaugh4847 I would like the pilot that is flying me, when I AM PAYING FOR A TICKET to use flaps, which permits the safest speeds for the landing. You want to practice special situation procedures, do it on your dime, not on my time! PS: I am a pilot too....

    • @Aangsaka
      @Aangsaka 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you look very closely at the flaps the leading slats were down/deployed. Indicated that there was a flaps malfunction

    • @henriksundt7148
      @henriksundt7148 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Csantos1941 I think he meant in general, not that they were training at this specific event

  • @602STS2
    @602STS2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice easy touchdown and good stop. No drama with plenty of RW left.

  • @h1o84
    @h1o84 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of the best pilot ever!
    Well done captain👍

  • @fabricioficial
    @fabricioficial 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Aí é Embraer, rapaz! Respeita!

  • @Mark.Brindle
    @Mark.Brindle 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I do this when it's a turbulent approach. Gives more control authority through higher wing loading, although you need more runway. Well done by the crew of American.

    • @Greg-yu4ij
      @Greg-yu4ij 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wow, must need 2x runway because its 2x the energy. Do you get a fire truck too or different equipment?

  • @OneSkiWonder
    @OneSkiWonder 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My flight instructor told me that if I ever need to make an emergency landing, it will be the smoothest landing I've ever done.

  • @thomasanderson9296
    @thomasanderson9296 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    that is one of the best landings ive seen from a commercial airliner in a long time. maybe they should update the sop

  • @super8preview166
    @super8preview166 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Beautiful landing.

  • @wgraham2410
    @wgraham2410 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Great landing but not sure why the pilot felt the need to try and TWY P1. The biggest issue with no flap landings is hot brakes. With ORD having such long runways it isn't generally an issue. ​They still 4000' remaining and had 4 turn-offs to use, TWY DD, CC, BB, and Z. Usually a no flap landing the earliest we see them turn-off is TWY DD. Seems like they were just in a hurry to get to the gate.

  • @hksp
    @hksp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    cool, the pilot demonstrated that its perfectly fine to land w/o flaps

  • @ohareplanespotting
    @ohareplanespotting 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow, cool catch!

  • @Mike7478F
    @Mike7478F 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Problem with flaps. Fire truck to check brakes for fire.

  • @awuma
    @awuma 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I was once on a British Airways A319 or 320 coming in to land against a full gale. The flaps were at most at Flaps 1, and the ground speed was normal. It was a very nice landing. I complimented the pilots on disembarking and they replied that they were figuring it out all the way. On another occasion, I was on a Fokker F-28 taking off with no flaps. Later, I read that it is quite normal for an F-28 to take off with no flaps; B737s and MD-80s crash if they take off without flaps. Another odd one is that some Russian aircraft, e.g. the Tu-154M, deploy their thrust reversers before touching down. Again, SOP on those jets.

    • @Nickbaldeagle02
      @Nickbaldeagle02 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No. With a long enough runway a 737 can do a no flap takeoff. I can't imagine a situation where it would happen mind. Escaping a war zone maybe. As for deploying thrust reversers before touchdown, it happens all the time with all types of aircraft. Watch Heathrow or Schipol landing videos on a busy day.

    • @willyTB1962
      @willyTB1962 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, some jets can and do a no-flap takeoff routinely. That doesn’t mean the forward edge slats aren’t extended. On the Airbus A300-600F, it was common to do a slats only takeoff. Meaning the flaps were retracted and the slats were extended. The slats are much more important than the flaps for low speed lift.
      Retired airline Capt

    • @willyTB1962
      @willyTB1962 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Nickbaldeagle02 No, sorry…deploying the thrust reversers before touchdown is not normal or recommended. In fact, most jets require weight on the wheels for the reversers to even deploy via a air/ground sensor (squat switch). Back in the day…aircraft like the DC-8 could deploy reversers while in the air (to lose altitude since they didn’t have wing spoilers). Really wouldn’t want to do it with passengers since it shook the crap out of the jet.
      Retired airline Capt

  • @jordinaviation4460
    @jordinaviation4460 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That's Clear! 🔥🔥🔥👍

  • @skbenergy
    @skbenergy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    lovely videos...island greetings from the Caribbean

  • @luiul1
    @luiul1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    flaps
    we don't need no flaps
    we don't need no stinking flaps

  • @MarcPagan
    @MarcPagan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    From a former CRJ pilot
    ...no flap approaches are fun, did them on engine out/single engine approaches in the SIM
    Got to come in slightly below glide slope on shorter runways...or risk running out of runway after landing like shown here.
    As everyone knows,
    flaps are excellent for making landings safe as possible via their enablement of slower approach and landing speeds
    Flaps create a ton of drag....which two engines' thrust overcome better than one. Aerodynamics and Physics 101.

  • @davidmoorea1961
    @davidmoorea1961 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Superb piloting, Sirs/Ma’am’s..!!!!🇺🇸

  • @portuguesnomundo
    @portuguesnomundo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice video my friend ✈️👍🏼

  • @thmsrttg
    @thmsrttg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Insanely smooth landing. Impressive!

  • @jokerace8227
    @jokerace8227 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Good thing the avionics computer in modern airlines automatically adjusts the stall speed shown on the display as well as the audible buzzer based on the position of the flaps and slats because otherwise that could have been ugly. I do like those Embraer jets, quite nimble aircraft.

    • @heefie8659
      @heefie8659 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Little GA planes do the same. Bottom of the white arch is stall speed flaps down (Vs0) and bottom of green is stall speed flaps up (Vs1). Also the stall horn tab doesn't need to adjust to configuration as its based of AoA on the wing

    • @nightcorekira5787
      @nightcorekira5787 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The airline industry already had too many accidents to look back into. And they probably wouldn't want more to come so better planes will obviously be in place

  • @rockshubham7556
    @rockshubham7556 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pilot's wife : Honey! We have an emergency here...

  • @katanare2301
    @katanare2301 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awaesome way of putting the plane on the ground: three stage loading on the landing gear!! Great Airmanship and great airplane!

    • @willyTB1962
      @willyTB1962 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      3 stage loading? As a retired airline Capt I have no idea what you’re talking about. The issue they had really isn’t that difficult to handle as long as the runway is long enough.

  • @tronas8515
    @tronas8515 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    pushing for the exit seemed unnecessarily risky.

    • @BruceWayne-jk1lr
      @BruceWayne-jk1lr 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahaha it makes it even more awesome

  • @stubby8663
    @stubby8663 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A very Fast but smooth landing, Glad they were able to get it stopped alright. Good catch on your part Thank you for the video.

  • @Jack-Surreal_Panes
    @Jack-Surreal_Panes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "My name is Giovanni Giorgio, but everybody calls me Giorgio."

  • @yaboidspdadon5838
    @yaboidspdadon5838 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Probably never thought one of coolest days would be captured on film for history

  • @jumboJetPilot
    @jumboJetPilot 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    We land that fast in the 747 fairly regularly. Our Vref speeds can cause troubles with controllers and I’ve had to go around more than once due to inadequate spacing on preceding traffic. It’s not uncommon for us to be going 30-40 knots faster than other landing traffic.

    • @michaelmcmanus5196
      @michaelmcmanus5196 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Have in front of you a very capable slow moving biz jet and the distances close real fast.

    • @jumboJetPilot
      @jumboJetPilot 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@michaelmcmanus5196 no question about that! I’ve been stacked 5NM behind many different airplane types and immediately know that it’s not going to work, particularly when we’re making a heavy weight landing. The 747 simply isn’t capable of flying slow, particularly at medium and heavier weights.
      Not a record that I’m proud of, but I’ve touched down at MMMX (high pressure altitude), at maximum landing weight, at over 200 knots ground speed before. On one of those landings I was flying Formula One race cars in for the Mexican Grand Prix. You need about every brick of the runway to get stopped on landings like that!

    • @kev403
      @kev403 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Controller could not anticipate that and apply extra space to accommodate your speed?

    • @deldridg
      @deldridg 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jumboJetPilot Well, the F1 folk would expect nothing less! Job well done.

  • @danderson0562
    @danderson0562 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Probably a maintenance error. The torque tube on the Embraer are ease to misalign. It is RII ( required inspection item ). I know two mechs that were fired years ago for causing this same thing on Tyler Perry's private jet witch is a Embraer Lineage, same airframe.

  • @CollaredDom
    @CollaredDom 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nicely done! Kudos!

  • @ricardoneto6705
    @ricardoneto6705 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful Embraer 175!!!

  • @aviationnexus6101
    @aviationnexus6101 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    👩‍✈Absolutely a great catch,
    I have something to exhibit to my
    Microsoft Flight Simulator groups.
    169 knots with no flaps must have
    been a malfunction with the tower
    alerted on approach. I'm sure that
    the pilot deployed the landing gear
    as a speed brake early in the approach
    for drag...

    • @aviationnexus6101
      @aviationnexus6101 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The thread that I started off this video is going viral within my groups, great pilot conversation starter.

    • @bhawkpilot4714
      @bhawkpilot4714 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We (every carrier) practically fly 170 to the final approach fix. Tower would have been informed by approach, and they by center.

  • @CanaldoPicaMoles
    @CanaldoPicaMoles 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    EMBRAER IS BETTER THAN BOMBARDIER

  • @benhouston2009
    @benhouston2009 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow nice video, but I’m glad the plane and the passengers are safe.

  • @dewygreen4646
    @dewygreen4646 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    OMG, this Embraer looks like an average large airliner, until 3:53 when it suddenly turns into a 1/144 scale toy

  • @Levi-in8eq
    @Levi-in8eq 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    And the landing was still way smoother than Ryanair lol.

    • @martinross5521
      @martinross5521 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Impressive indeed. But why do Ryanair practically smash their main wheels into the runway? It’s happened to me on every flight of theirs 😱😰

  • @weofnjieofing
    @weofnjieofing 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    All landings should be this way. So much more rxciting, especially for a 747!

    • @uuuppz
      @uuuppz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      A380 too

  • @greggyd321
    @greggyd321 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic job. They actually did have some flaps in.... flaps 1. Still have to come in super fast.

  • @waldoinaz
    @waldoinaz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The pilot recently came off a weekend of Air Force Reserves duty flying an F-16. He said the the first officer, "Wanna see how real men do it? Watch this."