This is the begining of a review of a Massey Ferguson 4710. In this video i operate the tractor and get an idea of what i like and what i dont. The next video will be the full review.
I know the wheel on the tractor in the beginning of the video looks like it's bent or laid over to the right, but it's not it's just the angle the camera is sitting. I have went and checked this myself and it does not look like that at all in real life. Also if you would like to see for yourself check out my video "Square bale it up 2017" there is a view from behind the tractor and you can watch both wheels turning and they are straight. There is also a lime spreading video that will confirm the same thing.
If you want to tractor with nice ergonomics John Deere 6000 M series. The joy stick for the loader is at the end of the armrest. Nice compact, beefy tractors and the new self latch loaders are nice if you take them on and off a lot.
Well they say nothing runs like a Deer when it's being chased by a Massey ; ) I don't a know lot about the new stuff but my 1958 Massey 65 is still running strong : )
looked like a nice tractor, i only have 8 gears in my baling tractor. twelve would be nice but like you said you need a lot of gears it helps. loved the video thanks for showing,
I have 9 gears in my tractor and when baling hay I could use a 12 speed transmission. I have a John Deere 5320 they come with a 9 or 12 speed transmission. I really like this Massey Ferguson. I grew up driving Massey Ferguson tractors in the 70's , 80's Today I have the 5320 JD cab tractor and a 539 IMT it looks like the 35 Massey Ferguson. I found a 65 Massey Ferguson in a barn I wanting to buy. I thinking of buying another tractor and I am going to looking at 4708 or the 09 or 4710. I am thinking the 4708 would be big enough to pull my 4x5 458 mega wide plus John Deere baler. But if I get a good deal on the 4709 or 4710 then that would be big enough in case I need to borrow my son's 5x5 558 M W plus John Deere baler. I was wondering how the transmissions hold up in the new Massey Ferguson's.
Good hands on review i do like and thanks for it since i been on the fence of Kubota , Fendt or Massey lol one thing i hate on agco tractors is the key start position and the light switches and my employees tend to complain about the Challenger tractor we have on the Farm with the right post key and lights there
+AJ Yeah, the key position is kind of strange. Right post light switches is pretty normal. Glad I could help with the review! More to come about this tractor!
From alot of what you are saying, are the reasons we went with a MF 5711SL instead of the MF 4710. The 5711 has a sloped hood, visio roof, 10 more HP via 4 cylinders, 16x16 Powershift/Powershuttle transmission. When we flip the switch to put most of hydraulics on the loader, it really cycles quick for moving/loading/unloading round bales & big square bales. If was too much to jump up to the MF 6714S just to get the IVT transmission & 40 more HP. It did not make sense for us.
The a/c is supposed to have a recall coming the fan doesn't blow hard enough an yes Massey has a transmission like your t5 it's the dyna 4 I have it in my 5400 you would like a 5700sl it has all the stuff your used to great video and review
Good initial thoughts on this machine. If it is anything like the bigger MF tractors it will be remarkably economical on fuel compared to others with approx the same engine power. It must be a pain and even potentially a safety issue when you lose sight of the loader as it nears top lift.
+Dan Whiteford. It definitely is a pain to not be able to see the loader. Never thought about it being a saftey issue but your right in certain situations it could be.
Hey can you grab the 10 bales the opposite way so you can load only on the driver side of the truck so you have room to load instead of the tight creek bed side?
Yes you can but the tie bales are more apt to fall off the grapple when they are on the far end of the grapple. In the field I always pick them up with the tie bales close to the tractor so I can drive at high speed without loosing bales. In the barn I pick them up both ways to stack them against the walls.
so now that you have a couple years on this tractor has it shown a week spot? I now work for a massey fendt dealer and thinking of bringing one home next spring.
+Matthew Schmidt. Yep, the front and rears are loaded on my T5 and the wheel weights. It's pretty heavy. I did that so I could pull my 8 ton lime spreader.
Great video, me being a mechanic at a MF and NH can tell you that both brands are great tractors both have things to like and dislike so far the 4700 has been a good tractor no major issues it was desiged at the Beauvais facility and assembled in Agco's owned factory in China except for the 4707 assembled in Agco owned factory in India
They have a very nice facility there is an Agco video on TH-cam that shows the assembly of the 4700 In the China plant, by the way you have great videos I really enjoy them
I just test drove one of these today and it was incredibly jumpy to change gear both on the clutch and on the button on the gear lever. The dealer said they attempted to calibrate it but that was as good as it gets. Was this one jumpy ?
That massies really different to the ones I've been in i live in aust and the ones I've ran were all 4 gears with 4 rangers I've never seen one without a felf leveling loader until your video and I've ran the bigger 130hp the 106 and the 95 all different moddles and have a heap of little but noticable things like the biger Massey has a really nice joystick with the gear changer on the lowder stick along with a clutch button but that ones really computerised the other ones I've been in were like the one you've been running but they all have the dyna 4
+roni 80. Magic! Lol! There is a button on both fenders to turn the PTO on and off it's very handy. There is also buttons to raise or lower the 3 point hitch.
+Northern farmer. It's supposed to be 100 hp at the engine, I don't know about the pto, but normally take 10 to 15 hp off what the engine has and that will be close to pto hp. It is a 3 cylinder engine.
+hicktownpa1233. If the wheel was bent you would be able to see it in my video "square bales it up 2017" you can clearly see the wheel is running straight and true.
I had a 5445 for a few years and it was a cracking tractor ( 4 cylinder ) very nippy but was a bit low on power for towing but plenty for mowing and baling and that sort of thing. It only used 12 litres of derv an hour when round baling all day, hellish good on derv. I had a 2 speed, speed shift with 4 gears, 2 ranges, so 16 gears, the only downside was the manual shuttle, that's why I got rid of it as it was out of reach all the time when reaching with my left hand. Cracking tractor though and I would have another in a Minuite,I never touched it with a spanner, very reliable and good on steep ground ( needed more power though, for my liking 😎)
Just found your channel I think it's great. l farm in north eastern ky land is very much the same as yours. l was just wondering of you have had any experience with Kubota tractors? l have 2 and have had really good luck with them
+Anthony Vise. Glad you found me Anthony! I do have experience with kubota, my father in law has 3 of them. I'm not overly impressed with them but they aren't bad. What I'm not impressed with is the dealer that sells them, I'll never buy anything else kubota if I can help it. They gave me the cold shoulder when the hydraulics kept over heating on my zd1021.
DLH Farms both my Kubota are older m8200 and 9540 both 4×4s l have had good luck with them both have several hours no problems but I also have a good local dealer. l was also wondering do you not bale any alfalfa or alfalfa grass mix if not why???
+Anthony Vise. I do have one field that is about 12 acres of alfalfa, timmothy and orchard grass, if you look at my video called "square bale it up 2017" that's what I'm baling in that video.
Is it a optical illusion ,, but it looks like that left rear tire is leaning in on the top quit a bit,,, and out on the bottom sort of like if the axel was bent up,, im sure axel isnt bent but just looks like it...
sounds like a lot of hp out of a 3 cylinder turbo engine to me don't you think, may be ok wile new but do you think these engine will be any good at 10000+ hrs on them
I spent many days of my childhood walking behind a 1945 GMC flat bed and hand bombing those bails up on the truck and then unloading them all in the barn the same way. I remember the god awful ich of hay dust all through your shirt and it drove me nearly insane.
+johnrtrucker. Lol! Your not the only one that's pointed that out, so I just pinned a comment to the top explaining what's going on, it does look strange in the video, but I checked it out this morning and it's straight up and down. Also checked some of my other videos where you can see the tire while they are in use and they are running straight.
+Dwayne Grlgg The 4610 that I operated with the same engine did pretty good pulling my lime spreader up hills, but that's all the experience that I have with that engine. You'll have to ask someone that owns a 3 cylinder Massey Ferguson.
The 5700 is one of the global series of tractors. It is basically a 4700 series with a 4.4 L 4 cylinder engine. There also is a 6700 series with one of the major difference is the horse power. Stock me as a marketing gimmick. The replacement for the * 5600 * series are the 5700SL series. Somewhat like John Deere "E" series are very different tractors than a "R" series. While some of the 4700 series are built in France not Germany eventually the tractors coming to The US are planned to be from China. The French built if they continue to build them in France will go to Europe. AGCO has built a huge tractor and engine plant in China to build the global series of tractors and yes the 4600 built in Japan get the Chinese built engines. Edit: Replaced the typing error when discussing the replacement for the 5600 series. Replaced 4600 with 5600.
AWD3264 the 5700SL is completely different than the 4600/4700 series tractors, at least the ones in Canada are. 5700SL is the same as the 5600 series. Heavier front ends, heavier rear ends, different cabs, sloped hoods, dyna-4 trans etc. Not even close to similar from what I've seen anyway.
+mataiterapreha. There is nothing wrong with the rear wheel its the camera angle. I even went and looked this morning to make sure. You can see the wheel working in some of my other videos it runs straight and true.
+mataiterapreha. Yeah about the only way it could even get like that would be to come loose from the axle or break the axle, but I've done a lot of work with it since that day with no issue. It's an optical illusion.
Bagwell Farms 4700 is definitely made in China I'm not sure where he 4600 was made, I would have guessed Brazil but maybe it's Japan. Unless the ROPS tractors are made in a different factory or something has changed since? www.masseyferguson.us/about-us/news-releases/massey-ferguson-introduces-4700-series-utility-tractors.html
I just looked it up the massey Ferguson global 4700 cab series is built in Beauvais france we were both wrong the 3cyl engine in the 4700 is made in Germany. An the 4600 series is made in japan at least that's where mine was built according to the plates in it the engine for my 4610 was made in china.
+K3vin Bracken. I wouldnt object to buying a Massey because I can buy them from the same dealer as I get my New Holland Tractors. Dealer support is what matters to me even though I fix my own equipment I still have to have the information I need to do so.
massey stopped producing the manual (dynashift) tractors in 2005 which is the biggest f##k up they have ever done i think you can get something like it but not over 100 hp as far as i know
yeah only john Deere and new Holland with the dual command are the only fully manual transmissions on the market that are good according to lack of research :) im sure there are a few European ones like lindner, valtra and deutz that might do a manual version but don't quote me on it
I know the wheel on the tractor in the beginning of the video looks like it's bent or laid over to the right, but it's not it's just the angle the camera is sitting. I have went and checked this myself and it does not look like that at all in real life. Also if you would like to see for yourself check out my video "Square bale it up 2017" there is a view from behind the tractor and you can watch both wheels turning and they are straight. There is also a lime spreading video that will confirm the same thing.
Thanks for the video.
Looking forward to your review.
+Chuck Stevenson Thank you! Stay tuned!
A review well done! Thanks for sharing with us man.
+Denny's Country Life. Your welcome! Thanks for watching.
Great video! Keep em coming!
+Justin Frederick. Thanks Justin! Stay turned for the final review.
Thanks for the operating review.
Your welcome 👍
If you want to tractor with nice ergonomics John Deere 6000 M series. The joy stick for the loader is at the end of the armrest. Nice compact, beefy tractors and the new self latch loaders are nice if you take them on and off a lot.
Well they say nothing runs like a Deer when it's being chased by a Massey ; )
I don't a know lot about the new stuff but my 1958 Massey 65 is still running strong : )
+CD S. Lol! Massey would be my second choice for a tractor. Blue is first of course.
looked like a nice tractor, i only have 8 gears in my baling tractor. twelve would be nice but like you said you need a lot of gears it helps. loved the video thanks for showing,
+Howard Younger 8 gears would be tough to bale with. Thanks for watching!
+Howard Younger 8 gears would be tough to bale with. Thanks for watching!
I have 9 gears in my tractor and when baling hay I could use a 12 speed transmission. I have a John Deere 5320 they come with a 9 or 12 speed transmission. I really like this Massey Ferguson. I grew up driving Massey Ferguson tractors in the 70's , 80's Today I have the 5320 JD cab tractor and a 539 IMT it looks like the 35 Massey Ferguson. I found a 65 Massey Ferguson in a barn I wanting to buy. I thinking of buying another tractor and I am going to looking at 4708 or the 09 or 4710. I am thinking the 4708 would be big enough to pull my 4x5 458 mega wide plus John Deere baler. But if I get a good deal on the 4709 or 4710 then that would be big enough in case I need to borrow my son's 5x5 558 M W plus John Deere baler. I was wondering how the transmissions hold up in the new Massey Ferguson's.
Good hands on review i do like and thanks for it since i been on the fence of Kubota , Fendt or Massey lol one thing i hate on agco tractors is the key start position and the light switches and my employees tend to complain about the Challenger tractor we have on the Farm with the right post key and lights there
+AJ Yeah, the key position is kind of strange. Right post light switches is pretty normal. Glad I could help with the review! More to come about this tractor!
I'd go with a Kubota myself on anything under 100 horse and Deere or New Holland over that
From alot of what you are saying, are the reasons we went with a MF 5711SL instead of the MF 4710. The 5711 has a sloped hood, visio roof, 10 more HP via 4 cylinders, 16x16 Powershift/Powershuttle transmission. When we flip the switch to put most of hydraulics on the loader, it really cycles quick for moving/loading/unloading round bales & big square bales. If was too much to jump up to the MF 6714S just to get the IVT transmission & 40 more HP. It did not make sense for us.
+thr8061. Thanks for the comment! Very good info!
An the roof on the 5700sl has the cut out for loader visibility like you were talking about
+Bagwell Farms. Yep, but this one e sure don't
The a/c is supposed to have a recall coming the fan doesn't blow hard enough an yes Massey has a transmission like your t5 it's the dyna 4 I have it in my 5400 you would like a 5700sl it has all the stuff your used to great video and review
+Bagwell Farms. More air volume would definitely help the a/c.
I just looked it up I wasn't sure but you can get the roof cut out as a option with the 4700 its called a visio roof
+Bagwell Farms. That's good to know
good video a long way from me pulling a massey bailer behind a wd40 on my uncles farm
+Jerry Schram. Thanks for watching Jerry!
Good initial thoughts on this machine. If it is anything like the bigger MF tractors it will be remarkably economical on fuel compared to others with approx the same engine power.
It must be a pain and even potentially a safety issue when you lose sight of the loader as it nears top lift.
+Dan Whiteford. It definitely is a pain to not be able to see the loader. Never thought about it being a saftey issue but your right in certain situations it could be.
yup masseys in these hp range are great on Fuel
DLH Farms if you want to see the bucket why not a 5610 drop nose?
Thanks again.......
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could you please do a video on how you made it turn sharper my t4 don't turn very well
+Matthew Schmidt. Ok, it's actually very easy to do.
Hey can you grab the 10 bales the opposite way so you can load only on the driver side of the truck so you have room to load instead of the tight creek bed side?
Yes you can but the tie bales are more apt to fall off the grapple when they are on the far end of the grapple. In the field I always pick them up with the tie bales close to the tractor so I can drive at high speed without loosing bales. In the barn I pick them up both ways to stack them against the walls.
so now that you have a couple years on this tractor has it shown a week spot? I now work for a massey fendt dealer and thinking of bringing one home next spring.
Yeah it's not quite two years old it's been very reliable so far 400hrs on it
if you shut of the 4wd it wil turn sharper not realy but its taking corners tihter
I noticed that you have rear weights on your t5 are they loaded as well
+Matthew Schmidt. Yep, the front and rears are loaded on my T5 and the wheel weights. It's pretty heavy. I did that so I could pull my 8 ton lime spreader.
Great video, me being a mechanic at a MF and NH can tell you that both brands are great tractors both have things to like and dislike so far the 4700 has been a good tractor no major issues it was desiged at the Beauvais facility and assembled in Agco's owned factory in China except for the 4707 assembled in Agco owned factory in India
+JsixstringS. Good info, a lot of people are concerned about them being assembled in China, but I don't think it's cause for concern.
They have a very nice facility there is an Agco video on TH-cam that shows the assembly of the 4700 In the China plant, by the way you have great videos I really enjoy them
+JsixstringS. Well thanks! I appreciate you watching! I might go look that video up!
I just test drove one of these today and it was incredibly jumpy to change gear both on the clutch and on the button on the gear lever. The dealer said they attempted to calibrate it but that was as good as it gets. Was this one jumpy ?
No it wasn't jumpy it was really smooth. Did you try adjusting the nob beside the shuttle leaver. It changes the harshness of the shuttle shift.
DLH Farms The shuttle was smooth as butter but the gear changes using the clutch or the button on the gear lever would break your neck
Something is wrong with that tractor, should be smooth.
That massies really different to the ones I've been in i live in aust and the ones I've ran were all 4 gears with 4 rangers I've never seen one without a felf leveling loader until your video and I've ran the bigger 130hp the 106 and the 95 all different moddles and have a heap of little but noticable things like the biger Massey has a really nice joystick with the gear changer on the lowder stick along with a clutch button but that ones really computerised the other ones I've been in were like the one you've been running but they all have the dyna 4
+That Gamer Guy. Yeah, this tractor would be considered an economy model priced to compete with John Deere's E series and Kubota tractors.
How did you turn on the PTO from the outside of the NH tractor?
+roni 80. Magic! Lol! There is a button on both fenders to turn the PTO on and off it's very handy. There is also buttons to raise or lower the 3 point hitch.
DLH Farms That's really cool. I've never seen that before.
+roni 80. A lot of your higher spec tractors have it.
What cab is more quiet new Holland for the Massey
+Smalltown Farmer88. Thier about the same. Both of them are good and quiet.
How many Horsepower is it throwing out?
+Northern farmer. It's supposed to be 100 hp at the engine, I don't know about the pto, but normally take 10 to 15 hp off what the engine has and that will be close to pto hp. It is a 3 cylinder engine.
That one guy is right your left rear wheel looked alittle bent or is that the way the camera is sitting?
+hicktownpa1233. If it's the tractor in the beginning, it the camera angle.
+hicktownpa1233. If the wheel was bent you would be able to see it in my video "square bales it up 2017" you can clearly see the wheel is running straight and true.
I had a 5445 for a few years and it was a cracking tractor ( 4 cylinder ) very nippy but was a bit low on power for towing but plenty for mowing and baling and that sort of thing. It only used 12 litres of derv an hour when round baling all day, hellish good on derv. I had a 2 speed, speed shift with 4 gears, 2 ranges, so 16 gears, the only downside was the manual shuttle, that's why I got rid of it as it was out of reach all the time when reaching with my left hand. Cracking tractor though and I would have another in a Minuite,I never touched it with a spanner, very reliable and good on steep ground ( needed more power though, for my liking 😎)
+onlygazza's fastrac farming Thanks for all of the info! Sounds like it was a pretty good tractor!
Just found your channel I think it's great. l farm in north eastern ky land is very much the same as yours. l was just wondering of you have had any experience with Kubota tractors? l have 2 and have had really good luck with them
+Anthony Vise. Glad you found me Anthony! I do have experience with kubota, my father in law has 3 of them. I'm not overly impressed with them but they aren't bad. What I'm not impressed with is the dealer that sells them, I'll never buy anything else kubota if I can help it. They gave me the cold shoulder when the hydraulics kept over heating on my zd1021.
DLH Farms both my Kubota are older m8200 and 9540 both 4×4s l have had good luck with them both have several hours no problems but I also have a good local dealer. l was also wondering do you not bale any alfalfa or alfalfa grass mix if not why???
+Anthony Vise. I do have one field that is about 12 acres of alfalfa, timmothy and orchard grass, if you look at my video called "square bale it up 2017" that's what I'm baling in that video.
Does this tractor have the Perkins motor?
+Myron Parks. No it's a Sisu.
Is it a optical illusion ,, but it looks like that left rear tire is leaning in on the top quit a bit,,, and out on the bottom sort of like if the axel was bent up,, im sure axel isnt bent but just looks like it...
+PhatboyHD88. It's an optical illusion
is the tire supposed to be bent like that?
+Ray Vandegrift The tire is not bent, it's the camera angle. Thanks for watching!
sounds like a lot of hp out of a 3 cylinder turbo engine to me don't you think, may be ok wile new but do you think these engine will be any good at 10000+ hrs on them
+orkid knog I think they are holding up well, but you'd have to ask someone that owns one.
what kind of price on this one..I bought a 1720 Massey Ferguson with a backhoe and I paid 23k..kinda wished I would have bought one with a cab.
+Over The Hill Homestead. I'm not sure what the cost is on it, it's not mine and I didn't ask, but im going to guess around $60,000
I spent many days of my childhood walking behind a 1945 GMC flat bed and hand bombing those bails up on the truck and then unloading them all in the barn the same way. I remember the god awful ich of hay dust all through your shirt and it drove me nearly insane.
+Eastern Explorer. Yep those where the days!
is it me or does the t6 at the beginning of the vid look like the tires have some camber to em?? It might be the video but it peaked my curiosity lol
+johnrtrucker. Its just the camera angle
DLH Farms thats what I thought there aint no "stance nation" in farming! lol
+johnrtrucker. Lol! Your not the only one that's pointed that out, so I just pinned a comment to the top explaining what's going on, it does look strange in the video, but I checked it out this morning and it's straight up and down. Also checked some of my other videos where you can see the tire while they are in use and they are running straight.
DLH Farms it would be interesting to see extreme camber angles on a tractor running a field lol!! 😂😂
+johnrtrucker. lol! Yeah!
Lucky y'all can mow but I can't my clutch slip is broken
+Your Mom. Well that sucks, how did that happen
Idk
I really don't see much wrong with the tractor , just wondering how it would operate under a load.
+Dwayne Grlgg The 4610 that I operated with the same engine did pretty good pulling my lime spreader up hills, but that's all the experience that I have with that engine. You'll have to ask someone that owns a 3 cylinder Massey Ferguson.
thay do have a dual command
+Chris Huggins . No I asked the dealer and they said they don't have one yet.
Sure can load hay pretty darn fast with that contraption. LOL.
+Russ Se. Yep!
I think you would like the 5610 better😉
I guess it's the 5710 now. They are wicked machines.
Mac102004 Farms yeah we've got a 2014 5610 and a 2017 6714s and they are both beauties
+Tom. I know I would! I've sat in one but never operated it
The 5700 is one of the global series of tractors. It is basically a 4700 series with a 4.4 L 4 cylinder engine. There also is a 6700 series with one of the major difference is the horse power. Stock me as a marketing gimmick. The replacement for the * 5600 * series are the 5700SL series. Somewhat like John Deere "E" series are very different tractors than a "R" series. While some of the 4700 series are built in France not Germany eventually the tractors coming to The US are planned to be from China. The French built if they continue to build them in France will go to Europe. AGCO has built a huge tractor and engine plant in China to build the global series of tractors and yes the 4600 built in Japan get the Chinese built engines.
Edit: Replaced the typing error when discussing the replacement for the 5600 series. Replaced 4600 with 5600.
AWD3264 the 5700SL is completely different than the 4600/4700 series tractors, at least the ones in Canada are. 5700SL is the same as the 5600 series. Heavier front ends, heavier rear ends, different cabs, sloped hoods, dyna-4 trans etc. Not even close to similar from what I've seen anyway.
I love new Hollande
A John Deere 5r is good with air ride seat
+Your Mom. This Massey and every Tractor that I have with a cab has an air ride seat. It's pretty standard equipment now a days.
DLH Farms oh
is it just me or is that T5 rear wheel on the piss
+mataiterapreha. There is nothing wrong with the rear wheel its the camera angle. I even went and looked this morning to make sure. You can see the wheel working in some of my other videos it runs straight and true.
DLH Farms yea it had me going for a while there, you would definitely know if it was on an angle like that as it would be making alot of bad noises.
+mataiterapreha. Yeah about the only way it could even get like that would be to come loose from the axle or break the axle, but I've done a lot of work with it since that day with no issue. It's an optical illusion.
good Ole fergy! But I agree IL pass on the China models!
+CAT DIESEL POWER I don't know where this tractor was made, but it seemed to be a pretty good tractor.
Think some are China and some are France
My only concern with these is where they are made, China. They are a more economy tractor where the 5700 series is more fully featured.
Mac102004 Farms the 4700 is built in Germany it's the 4600 that's built it japan
Bagwell Farms 4700 is definitely made in China I'm not sure where he 4600 was made, I would have guessed Brazil but maybe it's Japan. Unless the ROPS tractors are made in a different factory or something has changed since? www.masseyferguson.us/about-us/news-releases/massey-ferguson-introduces-4700-series-utility-tractors.html
I just looked it up the massey Ferguson global 4700 cab series is built in Beauvais france we were both wrong the 3cyl engine in the 4700 is made in Germany. An the 4600 series is made in japan at least that's where mine was built according to the plates in it the engine for my 4610 was made in china.
+Mac102004 Farms. Yeah if I where to buy one I would definitely be looking at the 5700
Sorry boys I'm not mad at y'all I'm just passionate about my red lol 😂
u may bye a massey 😉
+K3vin Bracken. I wouldnt object to buying a Massey because I can buy them from the same dealer as I get my New Holland Tractors. Dealer support is what matters to me even though I fix my own equipment I still have to have the information I need to do so.
DLH Farms oh I see right I under
massey stopped producing the manual (dynashift) tractors in 2005 which is the biggest f##k up they have ever done i think you can get something like it but not over 100 hp as far as i know
+The Pilot Penguin Didn't know that; interesting!
yeah only john Deere and new Holland with the dual command are the only fully manual transmissions on the market that are good according to lack of research :) im sure there are a few European ones like lindner, valtra and deutz that might do a manual version but don't quote me on it
Never liked a massy personally, everyone I know with them has had serious issue
+Daniel Thomason Thanks for your comment