Exposed - Only Three Types Of Harley Davidson People. Which one are you?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- Today I expose the three types of Harley Davidson people I generally see on rides like this. Which one of these types are you?
Join me on the Great Victorian Bakery Ride as I discuss "identity" and how it can help or harm you.
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This has become my new favorite channel. Im a outsider/outcast/zero, but Im good with that. Ive always enjoyed setting my own pace. Ive ridden 31 years, from Honda to Harley, Sportbikes to Sportsters and I love them all.
Welcome aboard! So many great bikes to chose from!
I was a leader for most of my career. Airline captain and a few years in management. I have no desire to lead. When I ride with a group I’m content to follow. Most of the time I ride where and when I want by myself. I can travel at my own pace. I can stop and start when I want.
I hear you - its a great spot to be in
Group rides are usually stressful compared to solo. Most of my riding is solo
@@gregm784 yes they can be - but they don't have to be
@@OldNotDead-Club if you're with a known group, it's much less stressful. A group you don't know well can be stressful as you always looking out for the moron
@@gregm784 yes very true
I'm an outsider trapped in the body of a leader who identifies as a follower🤣
LOL - great reply, thanks
hahaha, i feel it!!!
Very good! Funny as hell! Totally fits into today’s world.
I am a HOG member in good standing, I participate in the fund raising but just not feeling the group ride thing at present. I will ride alone though.
Yeh, good comment
Recently came across your channel, and I love the psychology twist here…..And believe the best riders comfortably shift from one of any of the three as the situation warrants. I sense that you are comfortable in any of these roles as well
Thank you. You are very perceptive
I guess iam a loner,been riding all my life not into riding with any groups of people prefering to go where i want when iwant.
Nothing wrong with that - great feeling being free
Hi Amen, I'm 55 years old this year and been back on the bikes around 12 years. Around 6 or 7 years ago a started up my own group Brisbane Motorcycle Enthusiasts (BMCE). I would organise rides ever weekend and we would normally get around 10 to 15 riders. The biggest problem i had was that 20 guys would say they were coming and only 10 or 15 would turn up. I always booked a pub or restaurant for lunch and had to always ring ahead and tell the publican that the numbers are down and they would always crack the shits. I then said that i would like someone to take over the rides so could have a break and no one wanted. I eventually stoped organising rides , kept the FB page going and went on rides with close mates or by myself. I'm a small business owner, owning Queensland Bearings and always been in a managerial role throughout my career. I'm currently riding a 2022 BMW R1250GSA Adventure motorcycle but looking at changing to a Ultra maybe this year. I find your videos very motivating and inspirational, not just in the of motorcycle riding but with life skills.
Thank you that's appreciated
I'm a follower. I hate trying to organize a group ride, plan the ride, or convince others to join the ride. I do like being the reliable one to show up for a ride if it's good, but if it's bad or being lead by a bad leader then I can bail.
Great spot to be in and essential
I was a leader for a long time. I recently relocated and I am happy (for now) following the group at least until I get to know the new group and roads.
Thanks, nothing wrong with following - otherwise there are no leaders
I don't see the mindset of riding in packs, never have ridden in a pack and never will . There are too many ways something bad will eventually happen. After 58 years of riding this seems to work for me. On long trips I ride alone or with the wife on the back of what ever bike I'm riding..
I have ridden twice with a long time friend ( early 1970"s) and an accomplished rider but neither of us were a "leader".
Currently I "follow" my wife as she's still working on her M license and a two year novice rider with little seat time. I follow her to keep an eye on her and hopefully intervene if and when I'm needed.
I guess I'm an "outsider" and a "follower", both for safety reasons.
Thanks for your input. I guess riding in a group has advantages and disadvantages. I like the social part - if you are with others that can ride I think it's pretty safe
New sub here, great videos mate! I think you missed a type & it is what I would say i am. We will call it a "Leadollower". I am a leader professionally so the last thing I want to do with my hobbies is be in charge. I do however want a well planned & organized event so what I do is come up with a plan, work out all the nits & pitch it to a mate so he gets excited at the idea. Before he knows it, its his plan & hes in charge.
Thanks for the sub! Lol, great answer, very wise and I can relate to that
Excellent video! I'm perfectly OK with being a follower and to give appreciation to the leaders who organize events. Also love the rear of the 1996 FLSTN Heritage Softail Special that pops in for a few seconds from 4:45 to 5:05. Same bike I have. EVOs For Ever! 👍
Thank you - yes Evo's are cool wish I had of kept my first Harley which was an Evo.
Evo's for me too. Best motor they've made. Tons of parts. Cheaper to fix. Easy to work on since I like to work on my own stuff.
I am back on 2 wheels for the first time in 20 years as of last year. I definitely would be a follower right now. A lot of others have way more experience than I do at this time and I know enough to know what I don't know lol. That said I hope everyone rides within their own limitations and doesn't show off, or try to ride like someone that has done it for years.
Keep your ride shiny side up mate! Greetings from the states. Good vid
Thank you and glad to hear you are back on a bike - stay safe
Fantastic! I just got back on 2 wheels after 20 years as well. I went out and bought 2 bikes lol. A 1200 sporty and a Evo wide glide. Now that the kids are grown, I can go have fun.
@@MichaelRCarlson that's great news - go for it
I am not sure what you would call it but I like to watch over everyone an make sure their okay, or if they need something I always try to have extra. I prefer the back of the pack however I am the one that can ride the fastest an safest. ✌💜✝️ Love the channel. Keep being you
Thank you
Last HOG ride I passed 2 thirds of the pack until settling down riding with front group.
I knew the road which they did not, been riding since 1972, and was on a 1900 Yamaha.
As a group ride is not a race there is no leader or follower only an organiser and participant who can either contribute or just be passive.
thank you - i thought HOG groups had strict rules on their rides?
@@OldNotDead-Club The ride was in a local country town in WA...Ive only been on 3 or 4 big group rides before.
So I went and asked if I could ride with them.
Do you have a Harley?
No. I had a WLA in 1972.I replied.
Well , seeing I was apparently the only local who turned up on their bike
They said Tag along at the rear behind their last guy....and breakdown trailer.
It is after all a public road.
So I did and went around town making a noise and blaming it on The Harley riders.
Out on the road I found I began to overtake until my comfortable speed was found.
It was good blasting past bunches of Harleys.
My bike was clean and shiny. Truck like motor. Noisy but ugly single vince and hines pipe that was on it when i swapped my F6B Wing for a real bike not a 2 wheeled 1970s Civic.
I stopped half way in the ride and waved at the passing bikes with their riders and passengers.
I did not ride the last 20 kms as that stretch of their route has a very long straight, with a kink in the middle , then more straight road where it is possible and tempting to explore the upper reaches of your bikes performance. I thought this would be out of bounds on a group ride with a respectable profile.
Definately outsider... been riding for 40 years.. used to go to bike rallies with mates 30 years ago.. was always the 'boy racer" .. 2019 went to the US and went across the country and met up with route 66 tours(great people) was always the racer and wanted to go off all the time ... things never change lol😂cheers Craig PS - look up "Harros Great Adventure" on here some xontent on the US and Sturgis etc
Thank you, outsider is very popular
I am a 70 yr old woman, I ride a fatboy and a softail Deluxe. I am a parent and have been a leader in corporate world. I now have my own business and ride every chance I get. Alone or with others. I only take the lead if the other riders don't want to. I just jump in and become the leader. But, prefer to be a follower. I am an outsider, probably because 98% of riders are men. I wrecked my bike in early 2021. This was a really bad accident. In late 2022, I got back on my steell horse. Good video!
Thanks and great to see someone riding at 70 - that is sensational. It's also good to see a woman riding and watching the channel. Hope i can deliver more good content
I'm mostly an outsider that digs in and grinds and leads by example. Professionaly I've always gravited towards being an instructor (military / Law Enforcement) Now I work in sales and enjoy the team but enjoy the individual achievement even more. When it comes to ridding I'm new. 1st year at 53 years old but love my 21 Heritage and find i most enjoy it when riding alone or with a good friend. I also am practicing on my own constantly, doing drills and practicing techniques on back roadways when I'm not riding having to navigate freeways when I ride in. The more I ride the more I think i will stay an outsider. At best in a small group.
Thanks - great to see someone with the discipline to practice. With your back ground you will also be able to lead if you wish
No offense but you sound like a born leader mate! LOL
@@heathenbiker LOL, i will take it as a compliment
Was looking at past videos, I was curious as to the face mask you were wearing in the video. Could you tell me the brand? Thanks Amon. 👍
I have no idea, I have a cupboard full of stuff like that
I guess I might be an Outsider. Lost some pals when I was young to thrills and spills - others lost limbs and quit. I either had a guardian angel on my shoulder or I'm just plain lucky. I went my own way for a long time - had my own career, agenda, places to see and things to do.
I've met some real interesting guys on Harleys though, and I got to say some of the best of them were 'outsiders'. Some of the best games of pool and conversations I ever had were with guys from patch clubs. Me? I ain't never signed up to anything. Maybe I just don't belong? Guess I'm that oddball with the long hair, limp and an old top hat who prefers dogs to people. That'd be me. The 'outsider'?
Thanks - good comment
i bet you guys would love riding in the Ozark Mountains of Arkansas, the ultimate vacation, Riding, camping and rafting the Buffalo River
Oh yeah that would be awesome
Hey mate, very interesting Questions there,
I was watching, think'n 🤔 Leader
🤔 Follower or Outsider....
Bye the end of it I said, a Bit of All of them...
I was the one who tried to start the Vloggers meet ups in Australia... before the fires in 2019, the Floods the year after, then COVID hit & stuffed that all up...
& The other two are obvious...
Then you got to the part were we all have a bit of everything in all of us🤙🏻🍻✌🏻
Exactly that, Freedom Cheers Smitty
Thanks for your input mate! Hope you are enjoying the channel
@@OldNotDead-Club yeah I enjoy local country channels...
I was think'n I wouldn't call it outsider for myself but more of a Loner/ lone wolf like 😂✌🏻🍻
@@SmittyIndependentFreedom Thanks mate
Even when im following i am mentally outsider. Cant fit in, and probably wouldn't be a member of any club thatd have me. Happy to ride with other outsiders!
I think a lot of people think they don't fit (including me) but we all actually do if we try
Im type 4. Im the guy that unzips his fly while riding and pulls out the peter and strokes it.
LOL, what can i say to that comment -- except, have fun
I LOVE being a follower!!!! I have a terrible sense of direction - and and even worse memory. I love to ride and I don’t care if it’s the same destination every time hhahahah
Lol, lots of advantages to it!
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT & WHO YOU FOLLOW... One must research on their own what they follow.
Thank you - wise words
@@OldNotDead-Club 👍👍👍
All three , I have an annual ride I host about 400 miles (650 klics or so ) from my home and have road gliders from around the country to attend for four days , so I am a leader for that , other events I am a follower and also an outsider .. You forgot a fourth kind , those who Rock Dixxons , have three flannel and several short sleeve
Great flannels! Thanks for commenting
Great video mate!
I am a leader in my professional career, however on rides I can be both a leader and follower… I prefer to be a follower on rides. ✌️
Thanks that's much appreciated. It is relaxing and fun to be a follower on group rides
Definitely an outsider/ loner don’t like restrictions or crowds. Prefer to go my own way.
Don’t ride a Harley either..not yet.
Considering a 883 sportster.
Thanks for watching
You can be a leader and follower you just need to know when to change roles. What I mean is during a ride while riding you may need to take the lead when the original leader gets tired and needs a mental break!
I'm who I am, don't need a label to define me, don't follow anyone, born alone , but if I have to I'll take someone with me when I go. Kool video though.
Thank you very much
You’re take on the Outsider is very accurate…are you a psychologist? Outsiders are used to being different.
Thank you!
I think being a follower is great. You can just enjoy the ride. I do like tail end Charley. I'm 70 and I'm not interested in going really fast most of the time. I'm in the smell the roses time of my life..lol. I ride a 2013 softail std.
Why are they saying outsider? Because they don't want to say follower and can't say leader. Telling a guy you're a follower would be embarrassing.
I wouldn't be embarrassed about it - it has many good things about it
Front, Middle, and Back, As long as Where I am is Fun and exciting.
Yeah I tend to agree with that
Interesting. The easiest way to tell a leader or type A individual is that they don't need to tell you that they're leaders, it should be obvious. A lion doesn't need to explain what he is.
Great point
Thank you for video I am just a old School loner so was interested to see your group - community - HOG ride... I noticed your cafe racer jacket from the video it seems identical to mine I was fortunate to pick up one in a vintage shop circa 1960s they're pretty rare in XL 😎
Thank you - unfortunately I have to get my jackets tailor made -- (maybe that's fortunate) this one is all the way from France.
@@OldNotDead-Club so you’re a posh biker tailor made jacket from France 😀
@@CanadianNomadBiker LOL, I bought it France over the internet because it was cheap (much cheaper than here in Australia) It's tailor made other wise it won't fit. Not posh -- fit. small waist big chest shoulders and arms.
Definite outsider - lone Wolf and love riding alone.
Thank you
Definitely an outsider when I was with an association. I loved riding with all the riders, seeing all the bikes and going for the ride and the more bikes the better. The problem was, I really could not stand anything else. Instead of naming it all, I'll just say that I could not stomach the politics of the association. When I missed paying dues ONCE, that was it, I was out. There was no allowance for me to pay and even back pay or pay more to get even with my dues and what I owed. I was just out. So at the end of the day, the association involvement just sucked for me. They wanted their patch back too and when I offered to pay my dues and even more, I got a snarky response with where to return the patch. So I sent the patch and every other piece of whatever I had with that association on it. They got this giant package that they did not ask for. That was me being a jerk. LoL
Yep politics can be sh#t.
All three work well for me weekdays. Contrarian only weekends👍
sometimes a good way to be
And in the end, she will surely know, I wasn't born to follow. Easy Rider 1969.
Thanks, appropriate
I rode with a die hard Harley guy and he got drunk and peed himself. I ride by myself now thanks 👍
Thanks for that
This is an amazing channel
Thank you that's much appreciated
Outsider, don’t like following other people’s rules. I might at times follow from a distance but reserve my right to peel off. Ride alone 90% of the time.
That's a good way to be and one of the advantages of not being the leader
Off topic but are you wearing an Omega?
Lol, it's a Harley channel, watches are banned
@@OldNotDead-Club 🤣
I try to blend in with all the other people in everything like that.
I don't drink so aint gotta worry about getting control. But usually I get along with everybody no matter who it is.
I ride for myself but if there's a military thing to spell benefiting for the military you better but you're bottom dollar I'll be there in A. Health support of have a nice day.
Thanks, appreciate the comment
Think you are over analysing I’m just happy to be alive no more so than when on my bike. Not a big fan of organised rides me a a couple of mate just go with whatever feels right at the time left right who cares works for us 👍
Fair enough!
On the other hand Outsiders have an advantage, ,,, you have to try and figure them out
Yep they are often introverts
@@OldNotDead-Club very true
Myself, I refuse to need a keybob to alert me to which bike is mine in a parking lot. I also don't want to hug up on the wrong honey next to the wrong ride thinking both are mine. Also look'n in the mirror on the wrong bike with the wrong babe and not seeing me because I look just like John is just a bit to freak'n wild🤣! Also, most who say there's no such thing as a true outsider only wishes they were the real deal cause we get the darlings😘. Yall be safe out there, ummm...mates😎. 🇺🇲"OOHRAH"🇺🇸
Thanks for your comment - am I correct in saying you like to differentiate yourself from the crowd?
@@OldNotDead-Club "TOTALLY." You folks be safe out there, these days crazy is truely understated!
@@charleshouse5541 Thanks, you are correct about "crazy"
I'm totally an outsider but can be a follower as well. I just wanna ride and I don't really wanna be responsible for anyone's hurt feelings or joy lol! I think there is a difference between being a rebel (outsider) in the social norm but withing the Harley community, MC community I'm also mostly an outsider. People know me but I'm not looking for club membership or to ride in big groups but will if I feel it's not a shit show.
Thanks for your comment
FOLLOWER HERE !
Thanks
Had to ask myself , am I a 1 that's sometimes steps back to become a 2 OR am I a 2 stepping up to 1 then boom outsider! Maybe I'm all three 🤔 but does feeling of being all three come from x-miltary then large scale construction to husband to father to grandfather . As ref to age I like to say " don't be a number be yourself .......🤫51
I'm guessing ex military means you have leader in you
Outsider for sure 🤘
Surprisingly popular choice
missed "loner". there are a couple of us out there that are apart from the groups. that ride alone.
Thank you. Is loner like outsider?.. or would you say it is completely different?
@@OldNotDead-Club Different. outsiders want to ride with the group and talk about it.
@@zavlo72 Lol.
I would say that I'm an outsider.
thanks, so many of us are outsiders
Outsider 😎
Popular choice
I think if you follow good causes or good leadership, then being a follower is fine.
Great comment and insight, thank you
This holds true for all bikes and group riders. Good video, personally I am extreme outsider, ride around 15-20000 miles a year alone, don’t own a car and don’t care what kind of bike you have I ride the one that seems best for my life travels!
Thanks - wise comments re the type of bike you ride.
I'm the same mate
Excellent! I'll be one with the "I rode mine" Florida Alaska..
I’m there with you dude. I’m a serious outsider too. 15K - 30K a year (depending on where I’m working). I don’t own a car and have no desire to join a club. Been riding Hondas (VTX 1300 and Sabre 1100) for many years. Just got a road king and traded in the VTX. It ain’t about what you ride. It’s about riding. There’s lots of people out the with “Live to Ride” all over their 3 year old bikes with 4K on the odometer.
Edit: I bought a road king because I’ve never owned a Harley. I’ve had Kawasaki, Suzuki, Honda and back in the day I had a Wankel Hercules and a Triumph Bonnie. Never bought a Yamaha (I don’t know why). I’m old so this will likely be my last bike. I wanted to get something the son could rebuild and ride forever.
@@FriedPi-mc5yt Ah, the weekender wanna be type lol.
Turned down a number of clubs wanting me to ride with them.
Not a chance, grown men whining and gossiping like schoolgirls, P/T tough guys til their "ol lady" calls them then they slink off to a corner and sound like a 5 yr old. My god...
I consider myself an "outsider". I've ridden alone for 50 years as I've never had other friends that ride. The couple times I have been on group rides I was very uncomfortable thinking I would screw up whatever the group etiquette is.
IMHO perhaps there are some benefits to joining a community and a little positive thinking will allow you to relax?
SAme...by the time I hit mid 20s all the guys got married, wives wouldnt let them got lazy etc.
My Dad told me a long time ago, I would not make it in the Army, I can't follow orders, I told him I'm not a leader or a follower, I just want to do my own thing, never needed to be in a club, don't like to be around a lot of people. I like to
Ride with 2 or 3 people the at the most.
Thanks many people are like that
I am an outsider... last group ride I participated in was last century. Also I ride Shovelheads and do not go over 90 km/h out of mechanical compassion, and wont let peer pressure push me into going faster.
wise words and shovels are very cool bikes
I don't mind following or leading but I'm more than likely the outsider. I have trouble agreeing with the "group leaders" decisions on route and destination most of the time. Honestly I really don't like riding with more than just 2 or 3 people anyways, especially if it's a bunch of people I haven't rode much with. I like just going for it and ending up wherever these ride takes me...
Thanks, both ways have advantages and disadvantages.
I'm definitely an outsider and prefer it that way as I've always been riding alone i only do group rides when I need to or just to support something that I am interested in that is very rare lol I much prefer long distance solo rides that way I'm not reliant on other riders to try and keep up with me 😂😂
Fair enough! Thanks for the comment - outsider seems to be a popular choice
As a Sigma male I am most definitely an outsider. I prefer to ride alone almost all the time.
Riding alone be great for the soul, I do it alot
I was a leader in a para-military career for 30 years (law enforcement). I thrived in that environment. But it can be lonely. Hard decisions need to be made when time is of the essence. Being a leader can become your persona… your identity. That’s not good or bad. It just is. As a lifelong Harley rider, I’ve morphed into a outsider. Even the occasional meet up with other riders, tends to be old leaders that have sought refuge in being a outsider. 40 years ago, we called them “lone wolves”. I’ve accepted my fate. Roaming the earth from the edges… lookin in and out from a comfortable distance. But always ready to help or lead when called upon .
Thanks that's a wise comment and I can relate to that. I've found that us outsiders are not as outside as we think - we just need to try and be sociable. I'm putting the effort in because at the moment there are others who are dividing the world.
I started as a follower, grown into a leader, but after couple of years, when everything changed - family, friends, work, even country I am in now - I became an outsider. By a choice, I am too old and too stubborn to give a fk. I just enjoy it my way.
Way to go, thanks for your input
Been riding for 20 odd years. Never been and unlikely to become a Harley rider. So how did this become a recent favourite channel of mine?
Because the themes really encompass the broader bike community and even broader than just riders. Nice work mate
Thanks very much. Your feedback is appreciated
Just between you and me, I didn't get my first Harley until I was 45 years old. I m a life long rider and own BMW, Suzuki, etc. I have to say the Harley is a joy to ride.
Outsider, definitely, 100%! I’ve never been able to just “fit in”, go with the flow, follow the pack, and I have zero interest in leading anyone, anywhere. Figure out your own way and make it happen. Why are you asking me or looking to me for “your” direction? If you want or need advice, that’s fine. That’s different. If you need help, I’m glad to help if I can. If you’re looking for someone to “follow” keep looking because you’ll just end up pissing me off and we won’t be friends anymore, lol.
Lol, thanks for your comment, seems to be a lot of us outsiders
When I was 60 years old, 14 years ago, I rode my Harley 1200 Sportster from Clarksville, Tennessee to visit my younger brother in Fort Collins, Colorado. Trip was 2400 miles round trip. Memories of a lifetime. Your video of Aussie's riding Harleys on a bakery run is on the spot. Thanks.
I mainly ride alone my speed
stop when ever... dont like big slow groups..FTW
Very good point I am similar - its is great when you find a few guys with similar riding style
I am the same. If I need to stop I stop. Group riding is very tiring for long trips. Plus it’s better for the bladder stopping when you need to.
BTW, if you have tell people what your title is - you’re doing it wrong. Brilliant channel, recent subscriber
Welcome to the channel, thank you that's much appreciated
What about the type of people who completely do their own thing. Ride alone, ride long haul, overseas, travel alone to do things they want to do. I only do long haul overseas from the UK to see my partner in Germany. That's 700 miles. I do that in 1 day on a sportster and 2023 I will ride to the artic circle in norway. The day riders are such a different breed
It's a great point but not everyone can do that - even if they wanted to
Correct....most people who are called leaders..from themselves or others are posers. Doing their deal for self gratification out of lack of self esteem or confidence...but not all. There are actually true leaders...but they won't be bragging about being one. Followers are a dime a dozen...99% of earth's population. Then there are the independent vagabonds...who do their riding by their own inspiration...true independent souls that dont look for or need validation by anyone. I prefer to live that life...always have and always will.
Am a leader and a follower. Everyone in a group has ideas, some good, some bad. Just enjoy yourself on ride outs.
Thanks
While I've played the role of all 3 Types, I tend to vacillate between being an Outsider and a Follower. Having acquired my used, gorgeous '07 FLSTN about 15 months and 8,000 km ago (5K miles), I mostly ride alone here in Arizona, seeking out many of the more challenging twisties to hone my skills. But when in a group, I acquiesce to my more experienced rider friends and am just happy to be part of a group ride as a Follower. And when my longtime, out-of-state friends visited for a week of riding, I chose all the destinations, the painstaking route planning, and led the 4-some ride as a Leader. To me, riding brings a zen-like feeling because you have to always be "in the moment", not letting your mind wonder with life's other distractions or worries.
Thanks, I think many people will agree about riding as therapy and the zen like state acheived
Well said. I mostly ride on my own, when I rode in a group I was a follower, because there was people, at the time, that were more experienced and knowledgeable than I. I agree with having to be in the moment while riding. When I started riding, biking was all that, still feel it is, it forces you to be in the moment or bad things will happen. I started noticing I was spacing out while driving in the car and riding helped me to take notice this and become more aware while driving a car.
I play follower and leader pending on if I'm leading a ride that day. My group takes turns planning and whomever has the destination in mind gets to be road captain. Big benefit rides that we don't put on, we're usually outsiders that hang out in the back of the pack and decide by the second stop or lunch stop if we'll continue the ride or go our own way the rest of the day.
Thanks, I agree all the spots are good - sometimes
What a great video, I really love this guy. I wish I was there with my bike to ride with these Harley brothers down under. They are some wonderful guys that feel and live a Harley Davidson life. What a release…!
Thank you. That's much appreciated
I think your right as far as all motorcycle riders are outsiders to an extent, I'd say of those who do ride many Harley riders are followers and seek the community, an Outsider wouldn't do that, you will see them riding alone in something unique they like.
Outsiders are not loners?
I end up the leader because no one else will lead. I’d prefer to be a follower and just go for the ride. And I’m a bit of an outsider as I just a much want to ride by myself, as in a group. It’s sometimes more fun to just go on my own way.
Thanks, that's true sometimes riding on your own is the best
Totally relate to that Troll! Cheers!
I'm more of a Loner if I choose to pick a word 👍🏾 safe riding from NZ
Thank you - safe riding to you too - hope you get something from the channel.
Interesting video, I’ve been a leader most of my life, but with that said, I am quite content to be a follower when it suits me. And I venture to say I’m a bit of an outsider in the sense that I am quite comfortable going my own way.
Thanks I think we all have a little of each in us
I'm a little late to this but the one thing I've learned over the years is that in order to be an effective leader, you must know how to be an effective follower.
Great point!!
Great point!!
@@OldNotDead-Club as for me, I'm definitely an outsider
I am 63, be riding for ever, nearly, riding with the right bunch is great, but on your own you are free
Great to see you are still riding - and with a positive outlook into the future. Its great to feel free!
@@OldNotDead-Club I have 4 pins holding left shoulder together & 1 fake hip, a few weeks ago I was told I need surgery on my right shoulder, all that hard work through years is catching up, good seats, wind shields & throttle locks are a great idea
@@kilburn1313 sounds like your body has been through the wars!
Was a leader from the time I picked up Corporal in the Corps until I retired as a Gunnery Sergeant. Have been a leader at work since 97. However, I ride alone or with one or two very trusted people. Have never trusted group rides.
Probably very wise, thank you. I think most ex military are natural leaders when in the general public
From given three options? Outsider. Everyone say: you are old enough to NOT ride a bike (too dangerous). You are NOT fat with big beard (as typical H-D driver). And living in country with average 60 days of sun a year (so 10 months from 12 weather say NO FUN FOR YOU!). I do a lot of things my way regardless of “mainstream opinion”.
Thanks for your comment - that's not a lot of riding - where are you located?
🙂, "PTSD just makes you fatter! "......... "Peace or pieces, its a choice🙂"..... "Love everyone, but avoid some..... So you don't kill them! " 🙂
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One thing, I hate when you non patch riding groups get together. You ride under the limit, no formation, and take up the whole road, making it hard for anyone to get past.
If you’re gonna pretend you’re a pack THEN RIDE LIKE A FKN PACK!
You don’t have to have a patch but get some balls.
I got stuck in amongst you all in Mornington a few years ago, I finally saw things through a drivers POV. Infuriating!
Very good point, too many that are too slow and wont stay in a pack - especially in the big social groups
I would extend the metaphor to a characteristic I would define as Individual....riding in groups greater than three gives me the creeps, I feel "hemmed in", claustrophobic .... the phrase , "mob mentality" is always in the back of my mind in these instances.
a lot of people are not comfortable riding in groups. It has pros and cons
I have been riding for 29 years now. I am definitely an outsider. On trips with my parents(each of them riding their own trike), I’ll follow, but normally ride alone. My personality type is leader all the way, but I’m not afraid to follow at times.
Thanks great way to be
Outsider, with certainty.
When you have an Alpha personality, people always want you to lead. I find myself in that position often, but I was still quite young when I came to the conclusion that I hate being responsible for other people's decisions. Following is out of the question, so I tend to avoid joining groups at all.
It's always the same. If I join a group and stay in it for any period of time, people start expecting me to lead it. Then they get their knickers twisted when they find out that I have no interest in determining what other people do. In this way, life put me in a category. I did not choose it for myself.
When it comes to motorcycling, I very recently had a group experience. You see, I have only been back to riding for a couple of months and I went to Sturgis with a group of people. They wanted to ride everywhere in a pack. So, they explained the rules of riding in a pack to me. For a week, I had to pay attention to what side the guy in front of me was riding, whether or not they were speeding up or slowing down, how to adjust to either and keep the same distance, whether the people behind me made the light, how to get the attention of the people in front of me if they didn't...etc etc etc... it sucked 100% of the fun out of riding for me.
You see, following comes with rules and I hate rules. I spent my entire career working for myself, because I detest the idea of following anyone else's rules. Leading is worse, because not only do you have to create rules...but you have to enforce them. My businesses were always such that they required me and simple labor that I could replace easily, because I do not have the patience to argue with someone I am paying to convince them to do their jobs. "Here is what I want you to do. Here is what it pays. Do it, or go home and I will get on Craigs List and find someone else" was the totality of my "leadership" style. I guess I am the same when it comes to riding, far happier without a group.
Thanks for your input
I wonder if you would have people come forward to say that they were a “Supporter” instead of “Follower”
Very similar in position or outlook but I think “Follower” has a negative impression on people
Good point, thank you
Remember, you put sleep deprived on same list as drinking! Add in road conditions, group rides, potholes, raining for days, this might be interesting! You have sleep deprived mark against you so you have to slow down! Being a follower is not bad! Without followers there wouldn't be any leaders. Just individuals doing their own plan. I've been all 3! Leader through scouting, teaching school. I've followed along on rides, an I've been outsider, being enjoyed by group. Wife & I moved to Washington St., riding my 86" Yamaha Venture Royal through town another one pulled up next to me at stop light. Rider invited to Venture club meeting. I was asked to enter my bike in local mall's motorcycle show, winning 3rd place. So we were invited to bike club Christmas party. Wife ask, "think they will like us"? Sure, your bike just took 3rd out 168 bikes, we both teach school, there's 2 teaching an 5 masters degrees between us. An your a Comanche, you don't like them, you can always just scalp them! She was hit of the party.
Thanks again Tim for your input, always a great read.
Outsider, better known as a "Lone wolf". Like a Sigma male, Lone wolves have no interest cliques, clubs, cults, tradition or trends; we do our own thing and don't care what others think. I just like to ride.
And nothing shouts Lone wolf better than what I ride; a customized Gloss black 2017 V-ROD MUSCLE. I wear a T-shirt with skull & cross pistons that reads "No club, no rules, Just ride"
Thanks for your comment - it's very interesting to see the different opinions - likes and dislikes
As far me. I do it all. I think that makes me an outsider. Joined a group. I enjoy being tailgunner most. But I've led rides. Was road captain for a short time. Became good friends with the group pres. We aren't a 1% group we're riders get together and go for a ride. We've taken week long trips too. Good times! But yup its like herding cats. We had 20 people. Things change and now only about 5 show up to posted rides. The same 5. Sooo. A short ride is around 100k. Daytrip. Or marathon ride around 500k. Those are the best.
Sounds like you have a good core group - that's geat
I feel l am an outsider, I do however set up rides but encourages others to take the leadership role so l can follow to shoot footage of the ride . I will lead if others don't know the road . Then drop back to tail-end Charlie to watch over beginner's. As you have seen l ride something different to most people. Not afraid to do my own thing and attend many different events alone . Happy to follow a great group of mate on a 2000km ride over 2 days
Thanks Lizard, keep up the good work filming Melbourne rides! Hope you are loving that new bike!
I'd like to say outsider just for the coolness factor, but really probably a follower. I like your stuff. You guys ride on the wrong side of the road though. I'm sure you never hear that
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The tech combined with old school physics - cam, compression, fuel delivery, tranny, launch, grip, DRIVER!
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I've been involved with groups where over half the guys consider themselves leaders in the group. Always turns into a massive shit show. I keep myself as an outsider until I figure out if a group has a good leader AND good followers. If so, I'll stay as a follower. If not, I'll leave.
Lol very wise
I am an outsider. I ride no Matter what the weather is. It can be raining, snowing, or just plain ass cold, like 20% or below. I just enjoy the ride. I ride a Try Glade, A 3-wheeler with all season tires. It is my only mode of transportation. Am from Montana.
Thanks for your comment and hello from across the world
Underground, independent. Is what I've (and friends) turned into. Too many unspoken newbies & posers. I never wear anything H-D and only talk bikes with my type. It takes one, to know one.
Thanks good comment
I am a FOLLOWER and not afraid to say so I don't feel any negativity on it and here is why. I am a leader in my professional life and in my personal life. I am a manager and leader at work and I am the leader of my household. When it comes to riding and doing runs with groups I much rather not lead, I want to just show up, ride, have some fun, eat, chit chat, relax and make no executive decisions. It is a great way to reset my mind and spirit before heading back to life and having the stress of leading again.
I understand and agree with that 100%