This talk was interesting in a sense that Cliff exposed the dis-ingenuity of the person claiming he is merely expressing his own belief, when in fact the person has a very strong agenda of his own world view (and saying Cliff's faith is wrong). "You are not here to just enjoy the beautiful sunshine". This is the spiritual aspect of a debate Cliff well tackled on.
Have you ever lied, stolen, used God's name in vain, looked wuth lust? if so you need to repent today and Believe in Jesus Christ to save you from Hell and go to heaven instead
The supposed atheist says: "Everything is subjective." Fine, except that the above statement is an *OBJECTIVE* statement (untrue, but objective nonetheless), and is therefore self-defeating and clearly false. Cliffe: "You disagree with me." Kid: "No, I don't disagree with you." Then you do disagree with him! LOL Then that little clown has the nerve to claim that logic is wasted on Cliffe?!? Wow. Cliffe has a whole lot of patience to be able to resist laying into that ignorant little punk.
Have you ever lied, stolen, used God's name in vain, looked wuth lust? if so you need to repent today and Believe in Jesus Christ to save you from Hell and go to heaven instead
It's actually both. The law of God is written on every man's heart, so we are born with a sense that there is right and wrong. At that same time, we have to be taught the particulars of how it is to be expressed. Just like some musicians are born with great talent but they still have to practice and study with the help of a teacher to bring that talent out in full.
Kid says "Morality isn't something you get from a book, or... like... from other people." Then he needs to shut his mouth on the subject and stop trying to push his incorrect morality on Cliffe and everyone else who hears his silly lies -- unless he thinks he's not another person! LOL He then has the nerve to say: "...the moment that you externalize to someone else and you try to project your faith onto someone else, is when everything goes wrong." The problem is that he is attempting to externalize to, and to project his faith onto someone else (onto Cliffe). The believer in atheist Dogma is such a convoluted and ignorant hypocrite, it is an amazing thing to behold.
The second guy was so smug and unaware of how silly he sounded. He was also rude to Cliffe. Credit to Cliffe for not taking the bait and just taking him apart with logic 😊💙 x
Historical error on Cliffe's part; the Greeks and Romans did not celebrate homosexual practices as acceptable behavior in their cultures. The Greeks had quite harsh punishments for men caught with other men / boys, and Romans also punished and admonished men and women for same sex relations. The lies of post-modernist activist historians of the 1960's subverted our views of the ancient world and tricked generations into thinking that homosexuality has been tolerated throughout history. It has not. It has always been an abnormality.
When I hear "love is love" from the gay community they should be saying "lust is love" to be more accurate really. Love and sex have nothing to do with each other. I love my friends, family, and animals. But if I have sexual urges toward them that's just lust. has nothing to do with love. thank you
Selja Roman Jesus never mentioned anything in Revelations. If you can find the quote where Jesus says homosexuality is an abomination, I will happily admit I was wrong.
bonnie43uk ....You are deceived or a liar. He doesn't have to mention it in revelations. Read genesis. In the beginning was God and Jesus. The bible is God breathed. Everything written in the bible applies. Read Matthew. I don't know what church or what bible you read but you're really really wrong.
Selja Roman I'm pretty sure you won't find Jesus's name in Genesis, unless you've written it in yourself using your own personal Crayola. I don't know what bible you read but you're really really wrong.
bonnie43uk Jesus is God. And why does Jesus have to say if God already affirms it. Since you you don't see them as the same. ***** She probably goes to one of those new age churches that masquerade as brides of christ. They are satans gospels not Jesus christ.
Selja Zhang Well, you made the claim that Jesus did mention homosexuality in the bible, I'm just asking for clarification as to where he says it in the bible? You seem to be moving the goalposts now. If you're now saying God said it, and because Jesus is God that means Jesus said it, you're kind of shifting things around it seems to me. Most people would claim that Jesus is the son of God.
If everything is subjective, then the idea that everything is subjective is ALSO subjective. Which means if this idea is true, it's false. Which means let's clear our throat, tug our collar and start over...
There is a serious disconnect here between the guy in the black and Cliffe, Cliffe misunderstands what he's saying about everything being subjective.. the guy does not mean that everything is acceptable, clearly, there are guidelines in life, but how we view those guidelines are not clear and well defined... we all see things thru our own personal lens, and make decisions based on how we view things . . . .subjectively. Good discussion.
It has to be some work of God he did not reel back with outrage over that rude kid. That was the most disrespectful thing I've heard anyone say in all these conversations on this channel
ive been searching for a particular episode of Give Me an Answer for ages but i can find it ANYWHERE! i wanna show it to a friend who thinks its fine to have sex before marriage. it's the episode where Cliffe uses the same story about the car accident but to a different guy and they go deeper in the subject.... help please :)
cliffe has said before that you’d have to be a lunatic to believe in Christ because the “bible is the word of god”. He said it would be blind faith. But then here he justifies his argument against homosexuality by saying Jesus followed the Torah as the word of god. So was Jesus a lunatic? God did not literally write that bible. People wrote it. And Jesus broke the rules of the sabbath, so he did not follow the Torah like a Jew should, hence his punishment of death on the cross and the break away to a new religion of Christianity. There is no moral argument that you can make that homosexuality is wrong, if they are in a long term monogamous relationship. The real sin is in those who believe homosexuality is solely about lust and promiscuity. It is not. It is quite possible to fall in love and be in a monogamous relationship. To put homosexuality in the same box as murder or adultery is false and hateful. It is those people that will face hell on their day of judgement.
Have you ever lied, stolen, used God's name in vain, looked wuth lust? if so you need to repent today and Believe in Jesus Christ to save you from Hell and go to heaven instead
@@JohnjOcampo Typing to fast. I left out the 3 in 37 and I left off the end of the sentence. I meant to finish it with what Thomas said, "My Lord and my God." Thanks for catching that.
Bad Gator Ive read it and I know what it says- but I also know many gay people and God made them that way- and a just God isn't going to look down on them if thriller in a committed marriage andy more than a straight couple- there are translations that show that God may have been saying the Mem shouldn't lay with young boys and this would make more sense because a lot of people if this time were having sex with other and same genders and even some animals. and if it is wrong then it not one of the big commandments- no one is going to hell. Because they are gay alone- that's moronic---
Bad Gator quote the scripture that he didn't....... God created everyone did he not? And some people are gay from birth- hence he made some people that are gay-- I don't have a problem with it- do you?
Drew Fuller being gay isn't any different than being straight at all- the same sin of premarital sex goes for both gay and straight- it's ludicrous to think people can choose when they are obviously gay-- maybe they were meant to be born a girl- idk but I know plenty of Gay Christians and they are as grossed out by girls as I am by guys-- and in no way was it their choice to be teased and beaten- no one would choose this- in fine with discussing this with God myself-- this isn't one of the major issues in the Bible or Jesus would have mentioned it........
Bad Gator you are the reason that right wing Christians are nutjobs-- conversion therapy is a psychotic treatment and anyone who thinks otherwise isn't a Christian- but is a zealot- God didn't make mistakes and he made at least 10% of everyone in the world gay-- it's not a lifestyle-- there are a few no-sexual who may goneither way so for them it may be but not for strictly gay folks -- the best Christians I know are gay and they literally do more for Christ than anyone else I know(and I have 6 figures to my church and charities last year) so save me your judgmental self righteous Bs- I don't wanna hear it--
5:13 -- Cliffe thoroughly defeats the idiocy of atheist Dogma, once again. LOL
This talk was interesting in a sense that Cliff exposed the dis-ingenuity of the person claiming he is merely expressing his own belief, when in fact the person has a very strong agenda of his own world view (and saying Cliff's faith is wrong). "You are not here to just enjoy the beautiful sunshine". This is the spiritual aspect of a debate Cliff well tackled on.
the second guy is incredibly smug...hahaha ironic, he reminds me of how I was when I was an atheist lol :P
Glad you love Jesus now.
Glad to have You with us, in the light Sophie
Bless Cliffe for keeping his cool
Have you ever lied, stolen, used God's name in vain, looked wuth lust? if so you need to repent today and Believe in Jesus Christ to save you from Hell and go to heaven instead
The supposed atheist says: "Everything is subjective."
Fine, except that the above statement is an *OBJECTIVE* statement (untrue, but objective nonetheless),
and is therefore self-defeating and clearly false.
Cliffe: "You disagree with me."
Kid: "No, I don't disagree with you."
Then you do disagree with him! LOL
Then that little clown has the nerve to claim that logic is wasted on Cliffe?!? Wow.
Cliffe has a whole lot of patience to be able to resist laying into that ignorant little punk.
Morality (right and wrong) has to be taught. Cliffe is destroying the second guy with Logic and he's not listening.
Have you ever lied, stolen, used God's name in vain, looked wuth lust? if so you need to repent today and Believe in Jesus Christ to save you from Hell and go to heaven instead
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It's actually both. The law of God is written on every man's heart, so we are born with a sense that there is right and wrong.
At that same time, we have to be taught the particulars of how it is to be expressed. Just like some musicians are born with great talent but they still have to practice and study with the help of a teacher to bring that talent out in full.
I love how Cliffe shut down the last guy over and over again to the point where he had nowhere to go.
The first guy ......wow.
Perhaps a product of a life of illegal drug abuse? I hope he wasn’t so mush-brained from birth... otherwise, what is he doing in college?
Kid says "Morality isn't something you get from a book, or... like... from other people."
Then he needs to shut his mouth on the subject and stop trying to push his incorrect morality
on Cliffe and everyone else who hears his silly lies -- unless he thinks he's not another person! LOL
He then has the nerve to say: "...the moment that you externalize to someone else and you try to project your faith onto someone else, is when everything goes wrong."
The problem is that he is attempting to externalize to, and to project his faith onto someone else
(onto Cliffe). The believer in atheist Dogma is such a convoluted and ignorant hypocrite,
it is an amazing thing to behold.
I am amazed ! God bless you Cliff 👋
21:30
lol!!! That's so funny.
11 years later... I'm cracking up LOL
12 years later Jesus saves
Man, the believer in atheist Dogma is all talk and no substance.
How can he bear to be so ignorant and empty?
His heart must be troubled greatly.
the second guy got burned by cliffe so he resulted to petty insults.
JESUS is King 🤴🙌🙏❤💖
Good job Cliffe!
The second guy was so smug and unaware of how silly he sounded. He was also rude to Cliffe. Credit to Cliffe for not taking the bait and just taking him apart with logic 😊💙 x
Historical error on Cliffe's part; the Greeks and Romans did not celebrate homosexual practices as acceptable behavior in their cultures. The Greeks had quite harsh punishments for men caught with other men / boys, and Romans also punished and admonished men and women for same sex relations. The lies of post-modernist activist historians of the 1960's subverted our views of the ancient world and tricked generations into thinking that homosexuality has been tolerated throughout history. It has not. It has always been an abnormality.
Clearly logic and morality wasn’t wasted on Cliffe.
Stealing is evil... yes indeed.
"We are all part of God." "I don't believe God exists." Appeals to something he professes unbelief in. Romans 1 at its finest.
Even "inflicting your values" can't be considered wrong if you're a relativist.
Dude #1 definitely higher than a kite
The blonde haired man in the white T-shirt sitting near the front at 3:41 looks remarkably like the actor Chad Michael Murray
15:14 Wow just wow!
Thar my cus
@@Supermazs Wut?
That 1st guy sounds like he just got through smoking weed seriously.
When I hear "love is love" from the gay community they should be saying "lust is love" to be more accurate really. Love and sex have nothing to do with each other. I love my friends, family, and animals. But if I have sexual urges toward them that's just lust. has nothing to do with love. thank you
Define your own beliefs and follow what makes you most comfortable! 😆
Jesus Christ is Lord 👑🙏Maranatha
1Godandonly1 JESUS did talk about homosexuality he said it was an abomination. It's mentioned several times. Especially in revelations.
Selja Roman Jesus never mentioned anything in Revelations. If you can find the quote where Jesus says homosexuality is an abomination, I will happily admit I was wrong.
bonnie43uk ....You are deceived or a liar. He doesn't have to mention it in revelations. Read genesis. In the beginning was God and Jesus. The bible is God breathed. Everything written in the bible applies. Read Matthew. I don't know what church or what bible you read but you're really really wrong.
Selja Roman I'm pretty sure you won't find Jesus's name in Genesis, unless you've written it in yourself using your own personal Crayola. I don't know what bible you read but you're really really wrong.
bonnie43uk Jesus is God. And why does Jesus have to say if God already affirms it. Since you you don't see them as the same.
***** She probably goes to one of those new age churches that masquerade as brides of christ. They are satans gospels not Jesus christ.
Selja Zhang Well, you made the claim that Jesus did mention homosexuality in the bible, I'm just asking for clarification as to where he says it in the bible? You seem to be moving the goalposts now. If you're now saying God said it, and because Jesus is God that means Jesus said it, you're kind of shifting things around it seems to me. Most people would claim that Jesus is the son of God.
If everything is subjective, then the idea that everything is subjective is ALSO subjective. Which means if this idea is true, it's false.
Which means let's clear our throat, tug our collar and start over...
18:42 Cliffe, you may want to rephrase that ;-)
Everything is subjective. No reality exists. We are all God. I dont believe in God. I dont like saying i dont believe in God.
What?!?
Your profile pic is Pepe. No wait its an actual real life frog. Or is it me who is a clown 😥 i guess all are equally true and untrue
There is a serious disconnect here between the guy in the black and Cliffe, Cliffe misunderstands what he's saying about everything being subjective.. the guy does not mean that everything is acceptable, clearly, there are guidelines in life, but how we view those guidelines are not clear and well defined... we all see things thru our own personal lens, and make decisions based on how we view things . . . .subjectively. Good discussion.
If everything is subjective, no one misunderstands anyone. It's just personal, subjective view or perception.
13:06
15:19 - 15:22
I'd rather someone insult me blatantly than in that condescending way the young kid insults Cliffe there.
It has to be some work of God he did not reel back with outrage over that rude kid. That was the most disrespectful thing I've heard anyone say in all these conversations on this channel
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thanks -_-
21:26 Just gonna leave this here for myself later
My mind's having a hard time following that first guy. Because, he was contradicting his own statements every five seconds
ive been searching for a particular episode of Give Me an Answer for ages but i can find it ANYWHERE! i wanna show it to a friend who thinks its fine to have sex before marriage. it's the episode where Cliffe uses the same story about the car accident but to a different guy and they go deeper in the subject.... help please :)
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It's an amazing one I think it's the link I've just added for you.
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Hahaha, what does TSA mean?
Transportation security administration.
Try not handcuffs..😊..
I can't really disagree with the guy at 21:30. I don't like my genitals touched either.🤷♂
First guy should read Ecclesiastes.
cliffe has said before that you’d have to be a lunatic to believe in Christ because the “bible is the word of god”. He said it would be blind faith. But then here he justifies his argument against homosexuality by saying Jesus followed the Torah as the word of god. So was Jesus a lunatic? God did not literally write that bible. People wrote it. And Jesus broke the rules of the sabbath, so he did not follow the Torah like a Jew should, hence his punishment of death on the cross and the break away to a new religion of Christianity. There is no moral argument that you can make that homosexuality is wrong, if they are in a long term monogamous relationship. The real sin is in those who believe homosexuality is solely about lust and promiscuity. It is not. It is quite possible to fall in love and be in a monogamous relationship. To put homosexuality in the same box as murder or adultery is false and hateful. It is those people that will face hell on their day of judgement.
Have you ever lied, stolen, used God's name in vain, looked wuth lust? if so you need to repent today and Believe in Jesus Christ to save you from Hell and go to heaven instead
Triggered
Maybe work on not getting triggered so easily?
/watch?v=bK1KD7L0kOc&feature=relmfu
Around 10 minutes into the video. BOOM!
@15:37, but Jesus was a man.
He is more than just a man, he is God in human form.
@@JohnjOcampo Typing to fast. I left out the 3 in 37 and I left off the end of the sentence. I meant to finish it with what Thomas said, "My Lord and my God." Thanks for catching that.
@@IBenZik no worries at all, God bless you friend.
The Holy Bible says nothing about homosexuality or gay marriage -- neither positive nor negative.
Homosexuality is sexual immorality therefore marriage between two people of the same sex is sin.
sorry cliffe- God made people gay and thats not evil--if they are committed I am positive Jesus would approve
Bad Gator Ive read it and I know what it says- but I also know many gay people and God made them that way- and a just God isn't going to look down on them if thriller in a committed marriage andy more than a straight couple- there are translations that show that God may have been saying the Mem shouldn't lay with young boys and this would make more sense because a lot of people if this time were having sex with other and same genders and even some animals. and if it is wrong then it not one of the big commandments- no one is going to hell. Because they are gay alone- that's moronic---
Bad Gator Quote the scripture that states God made people gay.
Bad Gator quote the scripture that he didn't....... God created everyone did he not? And some people are gay from birth- hence he made some people that are gay-- I don't have a problem with it- do you?
Drew Fuller being gay isn't any different than being straight at all- the same sin of premarital sex goes for both gay and straight- it's ludicrous to think people can choose when they are obviously gay-- maybe they were meant to be born a girl- idk but I know plenty of Gay Christians and they are as grossed out by girls as I am by guys-- and in no way was it their choice to be teased and beaten- no one would choose this- in fine with discussing this with God myself-- this isn't one of the major issues in the Bible or Jesus would have mentioned it........
Bad Gator you are the reason that right wing Christians are nutjobs-- conversion therapy is a psychotic treatment and anyone who thinks otherwise isn't a Christian- but is a zealot- God didn't make mistakes and he made at least 10% of everyone in the world gay-- it's not a lifestyle-- there are a few no-sexual who may goneither way so for them it may be but not for strictly gay folks -- the best Christians I know are gay and they literally do more for Christ than anyone else I know(and I have 6 figures to my church and charities last year) so save me your judgmental self righteous Bs- I don't wanna hear it--