Okay, I fully agree with you on that last part, but if the youtube guidelines were to be applied, Sssniperwolf's channel would've been terminated before he even made any videos about her.
As someone who watched Jacks videos and joined the Livestream, a lot of information about what Jacksflims was actually doing is missing. He wasn't doing this JUST to get on her nerves but to actually support the smaller creators thats she stole from. He had creators she stole from in his chat, he gave them advice, support them in issuing tickets to TH-cam to have the videos removed. He celebrated when those smaller creators won! The channel and live stream BINGO has now turned into more support for those creators. People submit videos for the kive stream, getting tios, support and even the deserved credit to find new watchers. Jackslfims wasn't doing this because he hated or disliked Snipperwolf, it was because he knew has a bigger creator, as a "TH-cam golden Child" he wanted to speak up for these smallers creators. I know these take forever for Andrei to make, so here are some bonus details.
This, I hate how people frame this as if he just attacked her. No, he critiziced her and not only that, but encouraged people to claim what's rightfully theirs, to stop her from profiting off of people without their consent
OH MY GOD FINALLY A LIKED COMMENT THAT MENTIONS THIS!! all of these video essays about the jacksfilms vs. sssniperwolf topic that i've watched dont mention this at all, and its probably for good reason as this info is only shown to you if you've watched the LATEST sssniperwolf bingos
I'll be honest, I don't really see how JJJacksfilms breaks those community guidelines, he never "targets, insults and abuses" Sniperwolf for any "intrinsic attributes". Behaving in a scummy way, cropping out credit, etc. is not an intrinsic attribute, it's behavior, which Jack critiques through satire. As for the second one, it should be quite obvious that the channel was not made with the goal of financial gain.
He made countless videos on her. FYI if you make videos on there content you're still talking about them. And he made multiple videos along with a channel based on it
That's what! I heard that one time, his chat kept bringing up her ongoing lawsuit with her ex-husband. He promptly shut them, stated that that's none of his or their business, and the focus is only on her content and content style. When he appeared on the H3 podcast, Ethan asked him about the threat of having his channel terminated. He said the same thing there too. I think it should be pretty clear to everyone by now that he isn't going after her personal life, appearance and non-TH-cam-related drama.
@true_rapturemega654 that's one of the things though. Yes, his channel was created due to sinperwolfs name but he made commentary on that channel about tons of reactors before letting it go dormant. Then sniperwolf went after him on Twitter and he definitely decided to go after her content then ONLY AFTER Lia decided to call him out on Twitter over things that aren't true. And the videos look like a lot (and this is where I'll concede there are a lot of videos he made over a few weeks or so, which can definitely be harassment) part of that reason though is they are stream highlights cut up. He wasn't making new videos everyday, just spacing them out over a week and cutting them from a couple hours to 15/20 (maybe 30) min videos
jack crediting the creators that were stolen from while also making fun of sssniperwolf’s low effort “”content”” was necessary. she makes so much money off of blatant theft that it’s outrageous how yt shields her from her own bad behavior.
What I don't get is why she goes out of her way to BLOCK original creator's watermarks for some reason, like obviously her audience wouldn't think she made those videos she reacts to, like I don't get it?
Thank you, this needs to be more addressed People should find it unfair that her content is next to nothing effort and basically stealing other people's works for her to make millions while others who put their best effort in those videos or their own channels will not get much in comparison She pretended she worked hard or "gets ideas from fans" even though she doesn't and just wanted to give a generic response on her success
@@le_epic_ I think now more than ever people are completely against sssniperwolf, especially after nerd city dropped their azzyland interview. I really feel bad for her; she’s spent SIX YEARS dealing with that broad stealing her entire life and personality just to send her “”fans”” over to harass her for “””copying”””. It’s so crazy, man.
@@ZeroN1neZeroi used to watch azzyland probably about 7 or 8 years ago, and yeah, it is FACTUAL that sssniperwolf is indeed pretty much copying everything about azzyland.
@teamplays2252 when did he insult her? I'm pretty sure he was very careful not to insult her to avoid this exact situation. Everything Jack said about her was factual.
Prior to the doxxing, Jack would mostly treat SSSniperwolf lightheartedly. He had some moments where he realized just how far gone she was, but he mostly tried to empathize with her from what I’ve seen. It was when she doxxed him that he decided she was absolutely not just a quirky girl who didn’t know better. She’s dangerous.
@@AthenaKaiWaffle sooo? There's channels that are/were dedicated to critiquing cinema sins videos (birdman n cinemasinssins), should they be axed aswell? Criticism isn't harassment.
TH-cams response was just salt to the wounds. Saying “both sides” were at fault is a complete joke Jacksfilms didn’t harass Sniperwolf yet she decided to dox him and TH-cam went “mUh both sides”.
@@noahh6032 I did watch the video and I heavily disagree with Andrei’s take. Jack simply made small comments about Sniperwolf’s tactics and personality yet he and you are equating that with Sniperwolf doxxing Jack. You should probably rewatch the video but under a more critical lense.
Well not to take as side here as i haven't watched either side,but if jack is using a channel to target sniperwolf,doesnt it fall under harrassment as stated in the video? Doesnt jack followers would start hating her and some small dude brain might go into her dms to abuse her??
@@TheDigitalAppleOfc Sniperwolfs actions were proportionally much worse than Jacks but if youtube were to punish her, they would be obligated to punish Jack aswell, otherwise Ssniperwolf would pull up to TH-cams front door with a team of lawyers I would rather have this outcome over Jacksfilms having one or both of his channels temporarily suspended But yea im with you this sucks and I wish they would give Sniperwolf the boot
There's a really big point that should be addressed regarding the line between criticism and harassment you mentioned: Not once did Jack ever want to go after her because of her looks or even her controversial past (going as far to silence those on a stream who taunted her big lips or surgeries because he knows low-hanging fruit would be stooping down to her level) He was going after her CHANNEL strictly because of the CONTENT being nontransformative and lacking substance to make it fall under fair use, not to mention the lack of crediting creators AND that she never once asked for permission Not only that, but he did this expecting a change and got something more: Besides certain clips being claimed and taken down, people have voiced their concerns on any big TH-camr freely taking other people's content no matter if it invaded privacy, which included MANY times where SSSniperWolf mocked minors who later commented on the stream to express their anguish and intimidation on having no control from having themselves exposed (not even the worst thing she did with minors) This is often left out or unnoticed when addressing whether Jacksfilms was "harassing" even though he never did something that counts as harassment (at most, he just kept saying "Shame on you" on something that should be addressed) and was in the right to constructively criticize her content if it meant making a change and making that behavior known If he only made 5 videos on the topic, people would not think it's obsessive, but it took dedicating a series of streams that turned her videos into something substantial by making a game of it because she was always aware of these problems and did nothing about it for there to be a consequence so that more people were aware about what should be acceptable for these content thieves
Yes! Even when his audience used to ask him to talk about her divorce with her husband, he would turn them down and tell them to concentrate on critiquing her content. He has made it clear countless times that he's not after her but her content.
Meanwhile in the reply section: great points, but Jack making a channel to credit the creators and criticize Ssstalker for her "content" is bad and he shouldn't have done that. He should have just made 2 videos about her and leave it at that since that *definitely* works
The moment he mentioned that people might not like his opinion, I knew exactly where this was going, and I knew exactly where his arguments would fall flat. I've seen too many people claim Jack was in the wrong too because they fundamentally misunderstand what he was doing. Even though Jack made it explicitly clear what his intentions were. The TH-cam guideline highlighted in this video is "Repeatedly targets, insults and abuses an identifiable individual based on their intrinsic attributes across several uploads" Video quality is not an intrinsic attribute, and Jack went out of his way to not comment on things that she couldn't change.
Comparing legit doxxing to criticism on the internet, is one of the most idiotic things I've ever seen TH-cam do. There's no question about doxxing being harassment or not. Jacksfilms has constantly critiqued her content, but never did anything remotely closely to actual doxxing. I mean this is like peaches and baseballs, they aren't really all that comparable.
Regardless, while JJJacksfilms does post content primarily about SSniperwolf, it wasn't the sole source of content. He reacted to some of his own stuff, other creators, and got weirdly meta about it before stopping. He only restarted after SSniperwolf reinstated it, and now has transitioned to a completely different style of content.
The peaches and apples thing is a rather apt comparison. You can definitely pitch both of them to someone, but one is definitely going to blow up in your face where the other will not
What jacksfilms did was NOT against any rules, he wasn’t harassing her, or making any negative comments towards her as a person, he was making fun of her awful lackluster content and her stolen mannerisms, refusal to credit the original creators, or adding anything new to the content. That’s called criticism. On no planet is it anywhere close to a personal, illegal attack she did on him and his family.
Exactly, how can publicaly exposing a big channel who steals content from small creators and getting rich from it be harrasment, but theft isn't harassment?
It's honestly kind of upsetting that TH-cam is doing NOTHING to stop Sssniperwolf, and then there's people getting banned for doing nothing at all, its disgusting.
Not only that, but they're also trying to get rid of adblockers so that they can show more scammy, inappropriate, and intrusive ads. Amazing stuff TH-cam!
@@user-qc8jd5tw6s Well then ok, They should ban them. Ban Sssniperwol's channel... And ban THE ONE channnel focused on criticising her vids, not jacksfilm's main channel. After all; it isn't related at all to it !
There seriously needs to be more backlas for influencers that can get away with stuff like this with only a slight cut in their TH-cam Monetisation No apology can justify stuff like that.
And what can we do? She knows what she's doing, she also opened her comments for a while then she blocked and deleted the negative replies and only left the lovely comments, she thinks we're all s**pid and knows that she can do what she wants without nobody can say anything
The difference with Jacksfilms "harassing" her, he's criticizing her. He doesn't go out of his way to say she's ugly or say her room or the way she talks is bad, he's criticizing her stealing others work. So let's say you spin it like he's harassing her, the difference between him and her is he would admit it could be viewed that way and apologize. Sssniperwolf not only wouldn't apologize but she made fun of doxing him.
The difference between criticism and Jack's "criticism" was it multiple upon multiple videos about her content. Criticism is giving your opinion on something and your problem with it. He gave his opinion, she didn't change her content, yet he kept making videos about her. He KNEW she wouldn't change so why continue to make videos about her? He even made a parody channel parodying her name. Do i think she had the right to do what she did, no but he should've stopped a long time ago.
@@darthjc4 Wdym HE KNOW SHE WOULDNT CHANGE, do you see a problem try once and give up? He kept making videos about her cause she kept STEALING CONTENT as long as someone KEEPS making bad things you are allowed the keep critisising. if he kept making videos about the ONE TIME she stole a video it would be dumb and targeting but he made videos about her new content that she kept realising and kept doing HER JOB of credeting the creators THAT SHE KEEPT STEALING FROM
@@darthjc4 nah, he thought she was changing. she removed clips of stolen videos overtime and creators were actually being able to stand up for themselves, and then sssniperwolf probably got mad and doxxed him
@@darthjc4 If the criticism was about anything other than her blatant content theft, I'd see your point. Each video he created in response was his way of giving credit back to the small creators and empowering them to copyright strike her so she'd (hopefully) stop doing this. The reason he was even able to make so many videos on her is that she literally steals content _every day._ What you're essentially saying is 'He KNEW she wasn't going to stop stealing so why did he keep giving the stolen property back their owners?" The scary part is that TH-cam seems to agree with this sentiment.
You say that Jack technically violated ToS with his dedicated channel and videos, but the word "technically" does a LOT of heavy lifting there. There's a difference between targeting and insulting Sniperwolf and parodying Sniperwolf. Jack's YT career exists in a major part thanks to parodies. He also didn't do it for his own personal benefit, but to spread awareness about a problem that Sniperwolf represents. Jack also isn't YT's golden child I think. He's a valued creator, sure, but Sniperwolf makes the site a ton of money, and despite this not being her first rodeo (she was charged with armed robbery in the past and had videos with her asking underage teens to twerk in exchange for showing them her boobs (videos are now deleted)), TH-cam keeps turning a blind eye to her escapades.
That's pretty much what I think, too. While I think Jack did break TOS here, SSSniperwolf broke this little thing we like to call "the law." And yeah, I think she's being protected since she makes YT a crap ton of cash.
I guess from now on reporting on crime counts as harrasment towards criminals? Imagine if rapist would be sent to jail alongside their victims because it wasn't nice of them to publicly report the crime...
bruh did you really just compare Leafy with Jacksfilms? Those are COMPLETELY different circumstances. Leafy was harassing Pokimane, yes, but also has a PROVEN TRACK RECORD of harassing others, including encouraging self-harm. Leafy was one of the absolute worst creators and was harassing others IN BAD FAITH.
yeah, what jacksfilms did was fair use. Not to mention the fact that even if he was breaking the TOS somehow it doesn't excuse youtube for not banning someone that literally doxxed someone else on their platform, which is something a smaller creator would have been instantly banned for
I somewhat agree that he went too far with the number of videos he made about her. However, I must admit that I don't like her as she is a bad person. Nevertheless, she is at fault for going to his house instead of keeping the argument on TH-cam.
Dude literally made an entire channel just to focus on her videos. He should have made it a channel about tackling lazy reactors as a whole, not just her. That whole 'critique' idea loses water when the entire channel was just HER. And this is coming from a guy who called her out for being a doxxer on her social media.
A kid, that is about to... and only wish is to see her, and all she does is just ignore? ... yeah thats not a lack of empathy thats straight up psychopath, theres no better word to describe her.
@@Intr0vertical you’re right saying you’ll do something publicly and privately has no obligations attached. It’s just makes people assume you will follow through, like a little girl on her deathbed thinking that she’ll get to meet her hero before she dies.
If someone said that they were going to die and one of their last wishes is to meet me, I’d fucking spend a day with them in a heartbeat. That’s just like the human reaction, like how full of yourself must you be to not take a day or even a few hours.
Saying that the reason Jack didn't do any more SSSniperwolf bingo videos was because he was in the wrong is ignoring a ton of other factors for him stopping. It could be that he doesn't want to further provoke someone who is mentally unhinged and doesn't play by the rules of polite society. It could be that he is building a court case and was advised by his lawyers to not make further videos involving her. In the video that Jack announced that he was going to be doing Creator Bingo, he even said that he and Erin have been scared to leave their house for fear of being attacked or worse. If the thing you're doing unjustifiably provokes someone to do something crazy and dangerous, you kinda don't want to further provoke that someone to do something worse. Also, Jack's videos were not harassment. They were rightfully critiquing her content (making his videos transformative and not going against the TOS) and calling out literal content theft. If SSSniperwolf got permission from the creators, or at the very least credited them, and provided actual transformative commentary, Jack would have moved on to other things and maybe even applauded her for taking steps in the right direction.
Jacksfilms isn’t breaking the terms of service. It isn’t enough just to target someone, you have to also have to abuse. You see how it says “and” instead of “or”. As seen from the image you showed. Just targeting someone is fine
Yea and he kept "targeting " her because she is the biggest youtuber doing this SHE IS SUPPORTED BY TH-cam and she KEPT DOING THIS TYPE OF VIDEOS dispite the criticism so he has every right to keep making videos calling her out, its completly justified
I still can't see how publicly exposing a content thief us harrasment? According to that logic if you report a crime you ought to go to jail for disturbing the criminal in performing his crime....
You are only reading a snippet of the TOS. The whole document does cover what he did as harassment. It is the repeated mention of said creator on its own that constitutes harassment (as shown with the 2020 guy).
@@manporo5865 but he is not talking about her personally. He crtisezes her chanel/content. This is still not harassment. Stop trying to defend a criminal.
Two questions remain, I think. 1. When does repeated criticism become harassment? 2. Is repeated valid criticism still criticism if changes are not made?
1. When their whole content is just hating on creator and also convincing others to hate someone 2. Yes. At one point the person that yall had all the right to criticize can become a better person. So there is a point where criticism is invalid
@SpamtonGspamtonOntheweb but did she become better? It seems you are misunderstanding the question. If she continues to not improve the flaws she's being critiqued for than at what point does her getting the same criticism over and over become hardassment? Does it depend on how rapid it is? I mean it wouldnt be reasonable to expect her to never be criticized again for the same thing years later after shes keep persisting in the same flaw.
@@Ralsei_we But she didn't... and she never did. I believe in change too, but is it really change when she continues to do what she's being criticized on? At that point, it's only right to speak up on what she's doing, because what she's doing is unethical and getting away with it. She *knows* it. And that's not someone making a "mistake" and becoming better, she's knowingly ignore how unethical her actions are. None of it is accountability, none of it is improving as a person. Instead, she decided to harm others (those she stole) and especially Jack. I'm glad Jack was bringing light to what she's was doing, because TH-cam would continuously sweep it under the rug, and that too is unethical that should be brought to light. That is what Jack was doing.
I feel like what Jack did was literally nothing compared to what SSS did, Jack was exposing her for basically CONTENT THEFT with humor, which isnt small when you see all your hard work or some of your creations being stolen and used for someone else that they earn money and you earn basically nothing. Jack was basically making fun of her for basically doing so vague reaction videos that TH-cam shouldve took it as a warning that SHES BREAKING NOT ONLY THE "ToS" BUT ALSO THE LAW (apparently), of copyright. (weird thing btw) And what SSS do? put in risk the life of the person who exposes her, not even talking to them before, just directly D0XX, sounds like something only a gang or even a mafia only do or smth, this wasnt a "Both side fault" thing, youtube shouldve took this more seriously and terminate SSSniperwolf a long time ago before all of this started. and a temporal demonetization? IT LITERALLY WAS ONLY IN HER RECENT VIDEOS AND THAT THE OLD ONES WERE STILL EARNING MONEY, AND THAT TEMPORAL DEMONETIZATION WAS BASICALLY SHORT, is this how YT values the life of someone? just a small punishment? YT is... being the pet of SSS ngl. Not only that, lets remember the SEVERAL CRIMINAL RECORD SHE HAS, AND APPARENTLY DOESNT LEARN, YT had so many redflags shown to them yet they ignore.
I think this video was just bringing to light some interesting points that nobody else had mentioned. Obviously, I still think Jack is in the right here, and SSSniperwolf received far less of a punishment than she should have.
Doesn't what Jacksfilms been doing qualify as Parody and therefore is within the TOS of You Tube though? I will also add that Sniperwolf was a public figure online. News sites technically make a lot of content on specific people yet get no trouble for it on YT.
@@hajnalkamn9709its not abusive by any stretch lmao, ironically sniperwolf's content is abusive since it takes advantage of other creators' content to make her gain a profit
What makes me sad is jack did everything right but he got the shortest end of the stick. He couldve been petty and doubled down or sued her but he made a new type of content that is useful to small creators
While I think we can all agree that what SSSniperWolf did was morally evil, I'm also concerned about TH-cam giving her just a slap on the wrist for this disturbing behavior
Are you seriously comparing Jack to Leafy?! Being prepared for people disagreeing with you doesn’t make this take less wild. Leafy was a serial bully who literally was known for making fun of other people expanse regardless of what the context was. Jack has used his videos to criticize Sssniperwolf and bring credit to the originals creators. There’s just no comparison. Edit: Just wanna add that I’m sorry for coming of, or not coming but being so aggressive in my comment. I was writing a lot on emotions when typing it. I still stand by what I said but I could have worded it better. I won’t change it since it to me feels disingenuous to do so since, like I’ve said, I still stand by it, I’m just more calmer now. Again, sorry.
Couple things missed. "A real gamer girl" but shes being sued by her ex, for it was his gameplay she used, thats how her beginning was. So another example of caling others out for what she does. And she has a previous armed robbery charge proving she could be a threat. Or her reuploading to another channel which would circumvent her demonetization punishment.
Honestly, I’m not surprised SSSniperwolf has done so much stuff that’s immoral. It’s so impressive that she managed to do so much bad stuff that you could write a book. Edit: Holy Crap, this more likes than I have and probably ever will get on a TH-cam comment, thanks.
Just note that the book would have to include all of her incidents, the implications, and the major question of how her public reputation hasn’t been impacted by those incidents.
For real. Over the past years, she has been a creator she's gotten herself into so much trouble whether that is off the platform or within the platform.
TH-cam saying “both sides” just proves the old saying right. “The darkest depths of hell are reserved for those who can maintain their neutrality in a time of moral crisis”
The thing is Jacksfilms never did anything against TH-cam’s terms of service. Looking at the rule you used as an example it clearly states TH-cam is against insulting someone’s “intrinsic attributes” which is something that would be go beyond professional criticism. The reason leafy was banned was because his videos were mean spirited and personal, he would do stuff like shit on pokimanes appearance. Jacksfilms never criticized sssniperwolf for anything other then her content. He never made comments on her appearance or her past drama. Basically he never insulted her intrinsic attributes so he never broke the terms of service.
The "JJJacksfilms" YT channel isn't against the Terms of Service because of a detail in the line: "...targets, insults and abuses an identifiable individual based on their intrinsic attributes...". The "based on their intrinsic attributes" is what separates Jack's videos from someone like Leafy's (constantly putting *that* Pokimane picture up and having a whole section where he just says she isn't hot as a "valid criticism"). Jack never made any attempt to ridicule her based on her appearance. The problem and critic was strictly on her content alone.
I am going to say that I strongly disagree with Jacksfilm harassing SSSniperwolf. Yes, he did a channel and a bingo card, mocking elements of SSSniperwolf, but many of those are not “Abusing an individual”, like terms says, its mocking the content, and I think there should be a BIG difference and acknowledge to that. I cant talk about leafy’s situation, as I never actually heard that, but I have seen JJJacksfilm. His whole bingo is about how easy and repetitive SSSniperwolf content is, and you can think this was a little to extreme to make his point, and I can understand that, but he never took things personal. Before the bingo he even had deleted tweets of SSSniperwolf demeaning Jacksfilm by his looks, if you compare that to how Jacksfilm talks about her content, you can really see who is the harasser. To be honest, when TH-cam talk about “Both sides” I question, how about channels that have thousands of videos criticizing bad shows like High Guardian Spice, or the ones criticizing Marvel, Star Wars and Disney? Because its clear that people who work on that has been accusing the channels of harassment and hate towards the creators. If Jacksfilm criticizing SSSniperwolf content means he is harassing her, shouldnt the channels that have hundreds of videos about how bad the new movie “The Marvels” are, shouldnt it count as harassment towards the people who made that movie?
A bunch of other people in the comments have already said it, but I'll reiterate it as I was there for a lot of Jack's livestreams. What he did was direct smaller creators into flagging Lia's content for using their videos without permission. A lot of her uncredited video content came from kids or other smaller creators who had no knowledge of her using their content for her own gain. This wasn't him attacking her and he would even often get mad at his chat for attacking her personally rather than talking about her content. He turned it into a fun activity instead of being hateful about it. Do you have any idea of disturbing it is to see Lia go from just being this person that stole content that he and other's critiqued to an actual threat? This isn't even the first time she's done something like this, but this is the first time that a big platform and a bunch of people downplayed her actions.
Jacksfilms wasn’t demonetized while Sniperwolf was and only after the backlash so, I say Jack is in the right & Sniper definitely in the wrong. Especially since The Act Man was punished for a tweet he jokingly hinted at doxxing in a satirical way yet Sniper was almost about to get away with it. #creditthecreators
@mrvr6165 Yeah! You hit everything on the head right there…. Honestly TH-cam will use TOS or not use it when they damn please whether right or wrong so, I think “both sides” argument doesn’t hold up well. Especially when she had the ability to contact lawyers, talk to TH-cam, credit the creators, etc. anything except doxxing. She totally crossed the line and should’ve been banned.
12:17 watched through the entire vid. Just gonna comment, The ToS did not apply to Jack’s work. It was fair criticism and never went past her videos. He never mentioned any incident outside of what her videos spoke of and never asked his viewers to attack her. though he did implore them to contact the original creators of the works so they could claim their videos and have them removed by SSSniperwolf, he never told them to do anything else. In the end, the issue lay solely on SSSniperwolf… Jacksfilms is actually, while invited to Vidcons and the like, Kinda being pushed out of the inner circle of TH-cam creators as well, meaning that the claim of him being a “golden child” kinda becomes tarnished… In the end. Jacksfilms was in the right to make at least his FIRST video on SSSniperwolf. Maybe one or two more as updates, but the BINGO game may have pushed things just a tiny bit too far in other directions.
if jack didn’t keep pushing for change, nothing would’ve happened to her. even though youtube didn’t do shit about it at least everyone knows how shitty sssniperwolf is now
The fact that you even began suggesting that Jack should be terminated and not Sniperwolf is absolutely insane. And you didn’t mention at all that the reason why Sniperwolf got away with this was most likely because she’s a female (I mean had it been Jack doxxing Sniperwolf then he would get terminated without a doubt)
Now hang on a minute, there. This video didn't say the JacksFilms channel should be terminated over SSSniperWolf's. It merely explained the "both sides", which TH-cam failed to do. While I agree with you that if Jack had done the crime he would be banned, I would say the money matters more than her gender. I'm not saying her appearance didn't get her a big channel and thus give TH-cam more money. I just don't think gender is the main factor in TH-cam's greedy little mind.
@@crazybird199 You’re right the video didn’t say that, but that’s not even what I said. I said that he “began to suggest” that Jack should be banned by bringing up how Leafy was banned. So you agree that had Jack done what Sniperwolf did he would’ve got banned yet you still don’t think it has to do with her gender, how does that make any sense?? As the guy in the video said, both of them are “TH-cam’s golden kids” and it’s not like Jack had 27 subs so had TH-cam terminated him that would’ve also resulted in less money coming in for TH-cam. You can’t say that Sniperwolf being a woman wasn’t the main reason she got off with a slap on the wrist especially in today’s crazy woke political correctness world. And even if you want to make the argument that TH-cam was only soft on sniperwolf because she is making more money and has more subs and had she been a dude there would’ve been no difference keep in mind that many companies, like for example Disney, have put pushing wokeness and protecting certain people over profits. So in conclusion it’s pretty obvious that Sniperwolf being a woman is what saved her channel
@@paceysinclair8089"woke political correctness world" lmao here come the gamergaters She got a slap on the wrist because she makes youtube money. It's not that deep
@@paceysinclair8089 Ah, I did not fully catch the "began to suggest" in your original comment. While it is possible that the TH-cam employees issuing her punishment were entirely composed of people who were either attracted to her or terrified of the backlash, I find this unlikely. There are few things a company can resist more than money. I'm not saying gender isn't a factor in all this, but I still don't think it is the main one. It's hard to say exactly what is happening inside of TH-cam HQ, but I don't think public relations are the primary concern of TH-cam. Especially after they waited a week to release a statement and then didn't issue a full punishment (on all of SSSniperWolf's channels), causing much more backlash than banning a female ever would.
I put some thought in the jack harassment arguement and i realized something. Jack didnt harass her at all he made videos that critqued her but she could have ignored him. What he was actually doing was raising awareness that she was stealing content and credited the actual creator while notyfing them that they are within their right to copyright strike sniperwolf.
I just read through all the Community Guidelines regarding Harassment and Cyberbullying and I disagree that JacksFilms did anything wrong. I watching all his SSSniperwolf bingo videos and (for the most part) his criticism was focussed on the content and not the intrinsic attributes of the individual. Although he made many videos 'targeted' at one person, there is no specific bullet point that he violated, whereas it's clearly stated that posting PII (personally identifiable information) is against the rules.
I think the issue is that he wasn’t directly insulting her he was simply watching her videos to call out her bad behavior and spinning it in a way that’s very transformative
If it was Jack doxxing Sssniperwolf, he would definitely get a harsher punishment because she could classify it as Harassment. As much as we all want gender equality, there will always be individuals who want there to be an imbalance as it then gives them a reason to push something or have an excuse to get out of something.
I'm sorry Andrei, but no. Jack was not violating either of those things you highlighted in "Monetization and other penalties," as the things he was making fun of ONLY involved her content and not her as a person, and thus also NOT inciting hostility at all. How she takes criticism of her content is on her. I've never seen Veils content but I would bet that he was making fun of Pokimane as a person on top of her content.
I feel it what Jack was doing was fair criticism. He never told to suggested that his audience go and attack SSSniperwolf. If it seems crazy that he uploaded dozens of videos on her it's because she just kept doing the same actions warranting that criticism... she never changed.
Fun Fact: I was watching Jacks bingo stream 2-3 days before sniperwolf "visited" him, and he specifically shifted his sight towards another big creator that is considered a freebooter - XQC. He started the stream with normal sniperwolf bingo, but after 40-ish minutes (if I remember correctly) went on to do the same to XQC and said he would continue doing this but to other "react" channels. He was clearly changing the direction from only sniperwolf content to criticizing the freebooting creators in general. I can't say that john doing this would have changed anything, but just wanted to say that this was the case.
i feel like most people in the comments are not watching the whole video until the end. nobody comments on andrei's last section of the video. thanks andrei! this does gives another prespective that i've yet to think about. you're doing a great job.
Uh no. Its not harassment to react to content. If that were the case Ssssniperfish would STILL be more guilty for reacting more....That made no sense, and it seems like Andrei is just trying to find fault in Jack's actions and defend TH-cam's obviously flawed qoutes.
See, *this* is why I like this channel. He puts light to the whole story, even playing devil's advocate in order to ensure that the whole story is told.
He usually does that but in this video he just wrongfully criticized Jack. Jack did absolutly nothing wrong or broke any guidelines while Sniperwolf did many times in the pass and did this time with just a slap on the wrist there is clearly a good side and a bad side in this story
as @bullen1126 pointed out, Jacksfilms isn’t breaking the terms of service. It isn’t enough just to target someone, you have to also have to abuse. You see how it says “and” instead of “or”. As seen from the image you showed. Just targeting someone is fine.
Bro was critisizing her and she committed a crime by doxxing. Those are two different things ! But no youtube lets her get a free pass as long as her videos are not monitized
A bit of an update on this situation as she’s been found out to have done more then just this whole situation: It’s been very much suggested and as each day goes by more and more proven that Lia aka SSSniperWolf has actually been stealing more then just videos…but possibly a whole person’s likeness, AzzyWorld who does similar videos but actually has constructive feedback to reacting rather than stating the obvious has been for a while now had her likeness, her video structure and just genuine portrayal copied by SSSniperwolf, as of recent she came out and said this has been happening for a while now but because of her being smaller then SSSniperwolf she was always accused that she stole off her, now Azzy has lived in the US her life while Lia moved from the UK to the US and adapted a accent as time went on and along with faking her gaming videos caught wind of Azzy and began adapting to be similar which Azzy caught wind of and asked could she stop which Lia accused her of copying, now of course with the following she has many flocked to her defence and Azzy was ultimately made to be the guilty party. Azzy tho regardless has shown to not fully let this stop her and has been doing so much for her fans like for instance donating $100,000 of her own money to charity to aid sick kids, going out of her way to buy some presents for Christmas with no bad intentions but only because she genuinely wanted to bring smiles while in comparison as said in the video Lia was asked by one singular dying child if she would come see them as a wish and GHOSTED them with her then trying to act and say it wasn’t wrong of her to do so. like straight away you can see why many already believe this too be true with Azzy having proof as well on her end. Also no disrespect to you Andrei but if you were to look at the comparison to what Jack did its honestly not even a contest as under the same guidelines in which TH-cam made clear she put the life of Jack/John in danger and as such under the same guidelines would of been immediately terminated as a channel, another TH-camr joked on twitter about doxing TH-cam staff which was obviously seen as a joke and was demonetised without any chance to argue, no what Jack did was under the guidelines would be categorised as constructive criticism or feedback hence why JJJacksfilms was made as he also made it a mission to credit those who she didn't, this is why many were and still are furious with TH-cam as they essentially looked the other way to protect her because she with the amount of traction she gets from "fans" it was them trying to defend a cash cow. Like It’s honestly astonishing that she is very much getting away with all this and no repercussions whatsoever have come out of this, like this woman is showing more and more that she is more destructive and a threat to TH-cam then something she should be protected, she has police reports of actual crimes she’s has committed, shown to be a stalker with Jacksfilms and ultimately shown her true self to the public yet TH-cam isn’t acting on this because it's a lost to their financial gain…..this to me is insane and so bias bigotry that is laughable.
According to the TH-cam guidelines, what Jack was doing was perfectly fine. He was never targetting, insulting or abusing Sssniperwolf, heck he went out of his way to explain to his audience that that would never be the point and that he very much disliked all the videos on Sssniperwolf various dramatic episodes that did this. It wasn't about her, it was about her content. Also, initially, "Jjjacksfilms" wasn't even about Sssniperwolf. Yes, it was named in that same style, but beyond that it wasn't about her. It was only after she decided to attack Jack on Twitter that the whole Bingo-thing began.
Yep. She did the same stuff with GirlGoneGamer during her "gaming" days. Then she turned around and said that it was her fanbase that did it and not her. She's not innocent and she knows exactly what she's doing.
The fact Jack backed down n said he "won't be reacting to anyone he doesn't have permission from" seems like TH-cam is gonna be changing some react rules soon 😕
Andrei, I haven’t seen your content in a while, and I am not disappointed, keep it up man! Also, those old rapping in different languages should come back, they were awesome!
Ah, thank you for explaining that "both sides" thing. Nobody else explained that JacksFilms had been breaking TOS to me. Obviously, I'm still almost entirely on his side. A repeated criminal offender showing up at someone's house and projecting exactly where they live to millions of people is definitely worse than breaking one or two TH-cam rules. Still, though, there is a "both sides" here. I wish TH-cam would've explained the Jack's offenses instead of leaving it ambiguous in their Tweet. I'd say JJJacksFilms moving away from that kind of content is a good idea for all parties, though. I don't think you covered enough, however, that TH-cam had banned creators from their platform for crimes irl. I do think that SSSniperWolf is getting special treatment. Maybe not to be called TH-cam's "Golden Child," she wouldn't have been punished at all then, but there is some serious stuff going on behind the scenes.
I mean the only reason she was punished at all is probably due to the massive outcry. I'd say she definitely is the golden child. She was probably involved in the decision to give her a slap on the wrist considering her obviously PR (and possibly Chat GPT) apology.
@@floofusdoofus Yeah, I would say TH-cam only tried to punish her to cover their butts, it wasn't enough for the public but they didn't want to change it and admit they were wrong.. I suppose the lack of action for any of her previous offenses (besides the whole doxxing thing) would make her a Golden Child, at least to some degree. I also agree with you that the apology was co-authored, or at the very least approved, by TH-cam. This is supported by the fact that her apology came minutes after TH-cam's.
But he didn't violate the terms of service though. His actions weren't harassment; he was providing critiques on her content, which is permitted by the TOS. While repetition could be a point to consider, it still seems like a far fetch because each of his videos is distinct; the only common thing being the motive i.e. critiquing her content. Applying the same logic, creators consistently playing Dhar Mann bingo with his videos might also be seen as violating the TOS, yet they haven't faced consequences from TH-cam. The initial videos of JJJacksfilms were clear parodies, which comes under fair use. And every channel on TH-cam has some motive or the other, so that also checks out.
This video misses out a lot of the nuance of the situation. First of all at 9:18 when you are showing the TH-cam guidelines, on the repeated targets policy you intentionally miss out where it specifies "insults and abuses", Jacksfilms never made a single personal insult, he only critiqued her content, or more accurately her stealing of content. If someone makes repeated videos on a scammer who keeps scamming people, are they harassing the scammer, or should the scammer stop scamming? If a channel makes a new video critiquing every single episode from a TV show currently releasing, does that count as them harassing the director? No, it doesn't. Also comparing jacksfilms did to sssniperwolf to what leafy did to pokimane is ignoring so much information and nuance. Leafy went after pokimane personally, attacking her appearance, which actually violates the policy as it comes under "insults and abuses", that is why leafy broke the rules and not jacksfilms. Not to mention before leafy did that, he had a history of harassing creators, children and the disabled, his entire channel was against TH-cam guidelines, that is why he got punished. You ignored all of this and only looked at the number of videos made so you could say they broke the same rules. At the end of the video you took jacksfilms response that he will no longer make videos on sssniperwolf as you being right. She literally went to his house and has a history of armed robbery, he obviously just doesn't want to risk any harm coming to him or his family. Not to mention the fact that TH-cam is protecting sssniperwolf so fairly critiquing her may get him in trouble. You said at the start of the video that this situation lacked the nuanced approach it deserves, but this video lacks the nuance.
I disagree, all the reasonable methods to criticise ssniperwolf have literally been exhausted, be it responses that as you have mentioned been copyright struck, to telling yt that she is doing things against the guidelines. The name golden child is perfect for her as she literally does nothing but use random tiktoks (and re uses some) and juat repeats what happened in the video. All the rational ways have been exhausted and yt has showed how twisted they are.
To break down what Andrei meant when JacksFilms broke the TH-cam rules was the sentences that were highlighted. • JacksFilms created a channel to create content to criticize a repeated individual based on her attributes on several uploads, which had sparked viewers to be hostile against SSSniperwolf. Although these were for positive things like Andrei said, he still targeted SSSniperwolf on multiple occasions to criticize her.
As much as I HATE what SSS did, I do agree that what Jacksfilms was doing previously basically felt like harassment. Honestly. He posted about her nonstop every single day for MONTHS. I actually had to unsubscribe from him it was getting so irritating to see the same borderline one-sided beef every single day. So, while I think what SniperWolf did was crazy, I almost understand where she was coming from. And, admittedly, it did kind of make Jack stop.
It feels like a lot of videos made on the topic are (understandably) tried to be made as soon as possible before the drama dies out, which means that the people making them don't have time to watch what jjjacksfilms ACTUALLY put out. Probably at most a few minutes and maybe even 1-2 videos were watched and by seeing the amount of content talking about sssnipierwolf put out it's easy to come to the conclusion that what he's doing probably counts as harassment in some way. The thing is, he NEVER really harasses her and mainly helped a lot of small creators after what sssniperwolf has done to them by using heir content, sometimes her comments (or lack of them) and mainly lack of credit. What sssniperwolf has done was purely emotional and has NO ground to stand on.
Respectfully, I disagree with the argument that Jack's content is against TOS. Based on TH-cam's TOS, expressly stated by TH-cam(TH-cam answer 2802268 on Google support), the only attribute of harassment I believe this comes close to is, "Repeatedly target[ing], insult[ing] and abuse[ing] an identifiable individual based on their intrinsic attributes across several uploads." This is one possibility cited in the video. However, use of, "intrinsic attributes" is later indirectly defined in the segment, "Using an extreme insult to dehumanize an individual based on their intrinsic attributes. For example: 'Look at this dog of a woman! She’s not even a human being - she must be some sort of mutant or animal!'." Had he been directly or indirectly insulting the way she looks or dehumanizing her, I would have agreed with you. However, he was criticizing her content. She overreacted. In addition, under this TOS guideline stated above, you need to, "Repeatedly [target], [insult] and [abuse] an identifiable individual." While Jack may have (arguably) targeted her, it is my belief that he neither insulted nor abused her. TL:DR; He criticized her. She took it as a personal attack and overreacted.
9:21 See I would actually disagree that he breaks the terms of service. He target sniperwolf, but he didn’t abuse her and only insulted her when she did something to earn it. He was attacking her style of content, not her personally. JJJacksfilms was a parody channel. Satire is allowed on TH-cam. The channel was undeniably transformative. If the TH-cam TOS were to be indiscriminately applied, this would never have happened- SsSniperwolf broke them a long, long time ago. She would therefore need something worse than a ban, which doesn’t exist.
understandable that in TH-cams POV we can see that what Jacksfilms is breaking ToS and that you could agree that he is a "golden child" of youtube. The difference is that Jacksfilms has become a household family name on TH-cam because he EARNED it. He has dedicated his entire life being a TH-camr within the confines of TH-cam's standards properly. He has good morals and he has been consistent with how he portrays himself rationally in the public. He fights for what's right in the TH-cam community, and he made JJJacksfilms to hammer in the point of what SSSniperWolf is doing is wrong. The public universally agrees that SSSniperWolf has done absolutely NOTHING to earn the recognition she is getting and the preferential treatment TH-cam is showing IS the problem, compounded along with the increasing amount of receipts of SSSniperWolf's rotten behavior for the past few years. This is making TH-cam an uncomfortable platform to stay on for creators if people can get away with criminal activity as long as you are making a lot of money for TH-cam. This is why so many people are trying to make sure this issue cannot be swept under the rug. It seems like everyday there is news of SSSniperWolf's bad deeds and a lot of the commentary community are signal boosting these videos because they understand that the slap on the wrist SSSniperWolf got is not enough (not to mention the fact she's avoiding the "punishment" by using her MONETIZED secondary channels and reuploading there). This IS a complex situation, however the only reason it is complex is because we're seeing more and more of who SSSniperWolf truly is. It's pretty clear cut for the public on who is truly in the wrong, it is just disgusting that TH-cam doesn't do anything despite this fact. And another thing to note is that when previous TH-cam creators, like The Act Man, joked about doxxing youtube staff in response to another creator harassing his family with no repercussion from TH-cam, he IMMEDIATELY got punished for it. You can clearly see a double standard TH-cam has shown to everyone and no one is having it when this dangerous precedent clearly affects the majority of TH-cam creators.
yeah comparing what Jack is doing to Leafy is fucking insane. Leafy had a history of just straight up bullying people, encouraging self-harm, racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia and more. Jack is just calling SSSniperwolf scummy and making satire out of her scummy behavior. it is not at all similar.
You know one side is better when they use this oppotunity to learn from it and create something better of it while the other is getting into conflicts again and again
I have to side with the comments here, I can't agree with the idea that Jack was harassing her on any level. He went out of his way to ONLY target the "content" of her channel and never once went for the many, many, MANY easy potshots he could have taken. Even *after* she doxxed him. If anything I feel like that took quite a bit of restraint. I think his channel's shift in direction had less to do with violating ToS and more that SSSniperwolf successfully intimidated him into silence. Is it for the better that he stops talking about her? Possibly, but even if he didn't, it would still be his right to do so. Jack was pretty firm on his own stance that he was never harassing her. I doubt those videos would still be up if he agreed they were.
Incredible how most comment completely ignored any nuance you brought to the discussion to basicaly repeat the same things that is beeing said under any other video on the subject. Nuance is dead, and yall killed it lmao
I have felt that nuance is dead understanding a different perspective to this people is gone they just dont want to see the two sides to a story its insane
Jjjacksfilsms channel was fully on the side of fair use, and can not be categorized as harassment, in any way. He was never disrespectful, never made personal attacks or false claims about her. Just watching one video is enough to see that he used to make entertaining content while offering legit constructive criticism of her lazy reactions.
If TH-cam truly felt both sides were wrong, they should have temporarily demonetized Jacksfilms as well. This gives me more of the impression that youtube felt both sides were OK. Their action is the exact opposite of what they're saying which is more worrisome.
How in the hell is Jack breaking ToS? Repeated criticisms are not harassment. The man literally calls out content theft and ironically makes it adhere to ToS by adding on to the videos. What kind of delusion is there that Jack has done something wrong by just calling out someone doing something bad??? I'm sorry but like.... no. It's just plain delusional to think this is a "both sides" kinda thing.
maybe im biased but surely what jack was doing was more similar to channels that persistenly review/critise one single form of media?? Like he wasn't roasting her but her content? he never discussed anything about her other than her content, no drama, no boyfriend, no personal attacks, nothing. just reactions. like Jarvis does dhar man bingo, is that harrassment? i dunno if this makes sense. like yeah he insulted her reactions and jokes but that is still all content? he never brought in anything other than yt vids posted to her main channel like?
like idk this is just odd to me and i can't quite agree. i never watched leafy but i remmeber him being a bad faith youtuber? so i can't imagine what he and jack did are equitable? what jack did was completly fair use. like if somone was dedicated to critisisng and roasting big bang theory you wouldn't say they were harrasing the actors, producers or writer? edited for spelling lol
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I will not.
What this gonna do with sniperwolf and jacksfilms?
nah
@@doughboyz0 That's called sponsor, dingus.
Okay, I fully agree with you on that last part, but if the youtube guidelines were to be applied, Sssniperwolf's channel would've been terminated before he even made any videos about her.
As someone who watched Jacks videos and joined the Livestream, a lot of information about what Jacksflims was actually doing is missing. He wasn't doing this JUST to get on her nerves but to actually support the smaller creators thats she stole from. He had creators she stole from in his chat, he gave them advice, support them in issuing tickets to TH-cam to have the videos removed. He celebrated when those smaller creators won! The channel and live stream BINGO has now turned into more support for those creators. People submit videos for the kive stream, getting tios, support and even the deserved credit to find new watchers. Jackslfims wasn't doing this because he hated or disliked Snipperwolf, it was because he knew has a bigger creator, as a "TH-cam golden Child" he wanted to speak up for these smallers creators. I know these take forever for Andrei to make, so here are some bonus details.
This, I hate how people frame this as if he just attacked her.
No, he critiziced her and not only that, but encouraged people to claim what's rightfully theirs, to stop her from profiting off of people without their consent
OH MY GOD FINALLY A LIKED COMMENT THAT MENTIONS THIS!!
all of these video essays about the jacksfilms vs. sssniperwolf topic that i've watched dont mention this at all, and its probably for good reason as this info is only shown to you if you've watched the LATEST sssniperwolf bingos
Finally, someone is talking about this. Took long enough.
Ahh
It's terrifying that she's technically getting away with it.
she needs to be behind bars, instead she got a slap on the wristt
@@FemboyKaiSakufor real bro
@@FemboyKaiSaku I didn't know people were jailed for doxing
@@FemboyKaiSaku I don't know how she didn't go to jail after the armed robbery.
@@zahirahdavisdoxing is a crime punishable by law
I'll be honest, I don't really see how JJJacksfilms breaks those community guidelines, he never "targets, insults and abuses" Sniperwolf for any "intrinsic attributes". Behaving in a scummy way, cropping out credit, etc. is not an intrinsic attribute, it's behavior, which Jack critiques through satire.
As for the second one, it should be quite obvious that the channel was not made with the goal of financial gain.
exactly. he never insulted her or abused her at all - it was all constructive - therefore making it okay with tos
This video was a big miss
He made countless videos on her. FYI if you make videos on there content you're still talking about them. And he made multiple videos along with a channel based on it
That's what! I heard that one time, his chat kept bringing up her ongoing lawsuit with her ex-husband. He promptly shut them, stated that that's none of his or their business, and the focus is only on her content and content style. When he appeared on the H3 podcast, Ethan asked him about the threat of having his channel terminated. He said the same thing there too.
I think it should be pretty clear to everyone by now that he isn't going after her personal life, appearance and non-TH-cam-related drama.
@true_rapturemega654 that's one of the things though. Yes, his channel was created due to sinperwolfs name but he made commentary on that channel about tons of reactors before letting it go dormant. Then sniperwolf went after him on Twitter and he definitely decided to go after her content then ONLY AFTER Lia decided to call him out on Twitter over things that aren't true. And the videos look like a lot (and this is where I'll concede there are a lot of videos he made over a few weeks or so, which can definitely be harassment) part of that reason though is they are stream highlights cut up. He wasn't making new videos everyday, just spacing them out over a week and cutting them from a couple hours to 15/20 (maybe 30) min videos
jack crediting the creators that were stolen from while also making fun of sssniperwolf’s low effort “”content”” was necessary. she makes so much money off of blatant theft that it’s outrageous how yt shields her from her own bad behavior.
What I don't get is why she goes out of her way to BLOCK original creator's watermarks for some reason, like obviously her audience wouldn't think she made those videos she reacts to, like I don't get it?
@@ammagon4519 She probably thinks other people might profit off of her "content" so she doesn't want to give them credit. Disgusting behavior tbh
Thank you, this needs to be more addressed
People should find it unfair that her content is next to nothing effort and basically stealing other people's works for her to make millions while others who put their best effort in those videos or their own channels will not get much in comparison
She pretended she worked hard or "gets ideas from fans" even though she doesn't and just wanted to give a generic response on her success
@@le_epic_ I think now more than ever people are completely against sssniperwolf, especially after nerd city dropped their azzyland interview. I really feel bad for her; she’s spent SIX YEARS dealing with that broad stealing her entire life and personality just to send her “”fans”” over to harass her for “””copying”””. It’s so crazy, man.
@@ZeroN1neZeroi used to watch azzyland probably about 7 or 8 years ago, and yeah, it is FACTUAL that sssniperwolf is indeed pretty much copying everything about azzyland.
I don't think jack's videos constituted harassment, it was criticism and parody.
Even if he did break a rule sniperwolf is breaking laws
@teamplays2252 when did he insult her? I'm pretty sure he was very careful not to insult her to avoid this exact situation. Everything Jack said about her was factual.
@@dannygrover595no he avoided insulting her because he believed it was wrong and counterproductive to do so
Prior to the doxxing, Jack would mostly treat SSSniperwolf lightheartedly. He had some moments where he realized just how far gone she was, but he mostly tried to empathize with her from what I’ve seen. It was when she doxxed him that he decided she was absolutely not just a quirky girl who didn’t know better. She’s dangerous.
@@donleo8899 Yeah that's what I thought.
@@AthenaKaiWaffle sooo? There's channels that are/were dedicated to critiquing cinema sins videos (birdman n cinemasinssins), should they be axed aswell? Criticism isn't harassment.
TH-cams response was just salt to the wounds. Saying “both sides” were at fault is a complete joke Jacksfilms didn’t harass Sniperwolf yet she decided to dox him and TH-cam went “mUh both sides”.
You should watch the video
As much as jacksfilms is the good guy here, we cant have double standards
@@noahh6032 I did watch the video and I heavily disagree with Andrei’s take. Jack simply made small comments about Sniperwolf’s tactics and personality yet he and you are equating that with Sniperwolf doxxing Jack. You should probably rewatch the video but under a more critical lense.
Well not to take as side here as i haven't watched either side,but if jack is using a channel to target sniperwolf,doesnt it fall under harrassment as stated in the video? Doesnt jack followers would start hating her and some small dude brain might go into her dms to abuse her??
@@TheDigitalAppleOfc Sniperwolfs actions were proportionally much worse than Jacks but if youtube were to punish her, they would be obligated to punish Jack aswell, otherwise Ssniperwolf would pull up to TH-cams front door with a team of lawyers
I would rather have this outcome over Jacksfilms having one or both of his channels temporarily suspended
But yea im with you this sucks and I wish they would give Sniperwolf the boot
There's a really big point that should be addressed regarding the line between criticism and harassment you mentioned:
Not once did Jack ever want to go after her because of her looks or even her controversial past (going as far to silence those on a stream who taunted her big lips or surgeries because he knows low-hanging fruit would be stooping down to her level)
He was going after her CHANNEL strictly because of the CONTENT being nontransformative and lacking substance to make it fall under fair use, not to mention the lack of crediting creators AND that she never once asked for permission
Not only that, but he did this expecting a change and got something more: Besides certain clips being claimed and taken down, people have voiced their concerns on any big TH-camr freely taking other people's content no matter if it invaded privacy, which included MANY times where SSSniperWolf mocked minors who later commented on the stream to express their anguish and intimidation on having no control from having themselves exposed (not even the worst thing she did with minors)
This is often left out or unnoticed when addressing whether Jacksfilms was "harassing" even though he never did something that counts as harassment (at most, he just kept saying "Shame on you" on something that should be addressed) and was in the right to constructively criticize her content if it meant making a change and making that behavior known
If he only made 5 videos on the topic, people would not think it's obsessive, but it took dedicating a series of streams that turned her videos into something substantial by making a game of it because she was always aware of these problems and did nothing about it for there to be a consequence so that more people were aware about what should be acceptable for these content thieves
Yes! Even when his audience used to ask him to talk about her divorce with her husband, he would turn them down and tell them to concentrate on critiquing her content. He has made it clear countless times that he's not after her but her content.
*thank you* you are so so right
Meanwhile in the reply section: great points, but Jack making a channel to credit the creators and criticize Ssstalker for her "content" is bad and he shouldn't have done that. He should have just made 2 videos about her and leave it at that since that *definitely* works
You summed up my perspective but I'm 90% certain that Andrei and most people who covered this situation never watched jack at all
The moment he mentioned that people might not like his opinion, I knew exactly where this was going, and I knew exactly where his arguments would fall flat.
I've seen too many people claim Jack was in the wrong too because they fundamentally misunderstand what he was doing. Even though Jack made it explicitly clear what his intentions were.
The TH-cam guideline highlighted in this video is "Repeatedly targets, insults and abuses an identifiable individual based on their intrinsic attributes across several uploads"
Video quality is not an intrinsic attribute, and Jack went out of his way to not comment on things that she couldn't change.
Comparing legit doxxing to criticism on the internet, is one of the most idiotic things I've ever seen TH-cam do. There's no question about doxxing being harassment or not. Jacksfilms has constantly critiqued her content, but never did anything remotely closely to actual doxxing. I mean this is like peaches and baseballs, they aren't really all that comparable.
its not criticism, it's harassment, but it's still incomparable
Regardless, while JJJacksfilms does post content primarily about SSniperwolf, it wasn't the sole source of content. He reacted to some of his own stuff, other creators, and got weirdly meta about it before stopping. He only restarted after SSniperwolf reinstated it, and now has transitioned to a completely different style of content.
The peaches and apples thing is a rather apt comparison. You can definitely pitch both of them to someone, but one is definitely going to blow up in your face where the other will not
@@strangelyukrainian7314 yeah but its more like a pumpkin and a tangerine. Both are problems, but one is *slightly* more of a problem lol
@TheBlueElephant111 One legitmantly endangers someone's life lmfao. They both did something wrong, but saying they are even comparable is stupid.
What jacksfilms did was NOT against any rules, he wasn’t harassing her, or making any negative comments towards her as a person, he was making fun of her awful lackluster content and her stolen mannerisms, refusal to credit the original creators, or adding anything new to the content. That’s called criticism. On no planet is it anywhere close to a personal, illegal attack she did on him and his family.
Exactly, how can publicaly exposing a big channel who steals content from small creators and getting rich from it be harrasment, but theft isn't harassment?
He was insulting her
@@user-so3yw8tr1x Buddy, she ain't gonna sleep with ya. Pipe down.
Exactly, if it was anyone else he would’ve done the same thing
@@user-so3yw8tr1x No, he really wasn't.
It's honestly kind of upsetting that TH-cam is doing NOTHING to stop Sssniperwolf, and then there's people getting banned for doing nothing at all, its disgusting.
well i mean its that or his channel gets banned as well and thats a loss for youtube as both creators are valuable assets
TH-cam can do the right thing by not protecting a criminal.
Idk how TH-cam does it but they consistently get their reputation even more broken than before
Not only that, but they're also trying to get rid of adblockers so that they can show more scammy, inappropriate, and intrusive ads. Amazing stuff TH-cam!
@@user-qc8jd5tw6s Well then ok, They should ban them. Ban Sssniperwol's channel... And ban THE ONE channnel focused on criticising her vids, not jacksfilm's main channel. After all; it isn't related at all to it !
There seriously needs to be more backlas for influencers that can get away with stuff like this with only a slight cut in their TH-cam Monetisation
No apology can justify stuff like that.
And what can we do? She knows what she's doing, she also opened her comments for a while then she blocked and deleted the negative replies and only left the lovely comments, she thinks we're all s**pid and knows that she can do what she wants without nobody can say anything
WHAT cats are cool rats suck@Officialmurd
@@ThatChairIsCool this isn't appropriate for the comment your replying to
he posted a cat video on a doxxing video@@sebatsionEEE
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The difference with Jacksfilms "harassing" her, he's criticizing her.
He doesn't go out of his way to say she's ugly or say her room or the way she talks is bad, he's criticizing her stealing others work.
So let's say you spin it like he's harassing her, the difference between him and her is he would admit it could be viewed that way and apologize.
Sssniperwolf not only wouldn't apologize but she made fun of doxing him.
The difference between criticism and Jack's "criticism" was it multiple upon multiple videos about her content. Criticism is giving your opinion on something and your problem with it. He gave his opinion, she didn't change her content, yet he kept making videos about her. He KNEW she wouldn't change so why continue to make videos about her? He even made a parody channel parodying her name. Do i think she had the right to do what she did, no but he should've stopped a long time ago.
Just because he’s making multiple videos about it doesn’t mean that his opinion is invalid or doesn’t count as criticism buddy
@@darthjc4 Wdym HE KNOW SHE WOULDNT CHANGE, do you see a problem try once and give up? He kept making videos about her cause she kept STEALING CONTENT as long as someone KEEPS making bad things you are allowed the keep critisising. if he kept making videos about the ONE TIME she stole a video it would be dumb and targeting but he made videos about her new content that she kept realising and kept doing HER JOB of credeting the creators THAT SHE KEEPT STEALING FROM
@@darthjc4 nah, he thought she was changing. she removed clips of stolen videos overtime and creators were actually being able to stand up for themselves, and then sssniperwolf probably got mad and doxxed him
@@darthjc4 If the criticism was about anything other than her blatant content theft, I'd see your point. Each video he created in response was his way of giving credit back to the small creators and empowering them to copyright strike her so she'd (hopefully) stop doing this. The reason he was even able to make so many videos on her is that she literally steals content _every day._ What you're essentially saying is 'He KNEW she wasn't going to stop stealing so why did he keep giving the stolen property back their owners?" The scary part is that TH-cam seems to agree with this sentiment.
You say that Jack technically violated ToS with his dedicated channel and videos, but the word "technically" does a LOT of heavy lifting there. There's a difference between targeting and insulting Sniperwolf and parodying Sniperwolf. Jack's YT career exists in a major part thanks to parodies. He also didn't do it for his own personal benefit, but to spread awareness about a problem that Sniperwolf represents.
Jack also isn't YT's golden child I think. He's a valued creator, sure, but Sniperwolf makes the site a ton of money, and despite this not being her first rodeo (she was charged with armed robbery in the past and had videos with her asking underage teens to twerk in exchange for showing them her boobs (videos are now deleted)), TH-cam keeps turning a blind eye to her escapades.
That's pretty much what I think, too. While I think Jack did break TOS here, SSSniperwolf broke this little thing we like to call "the law." And yeah, I think she's being protected since she makes YT a crap ton of cash.
I guess from now on reporting on crime counts as harrasment towards criminals? Imagine if rapist would be sent to jail alongside their victims because it wasn't nice of them to publicly report the crime...
bruh did you really just compare Leafy with Jacksfilms? Those are COMPLETELY different circumstances. Leafy was harassing Pokimane, yes, but also has a PROVEN TRACK RECORD of harassing others, including encouraging self-harm. Leafy was one of the absolute worst creators and was harassing others IN BAD FAITH.
This. All of this.
yeah, what jacksfilms did was fair use. Not to mention the fact that even if he was breaking the TOS somehow it doesn't excuse youtube for not banning someone that literally doxxed someone else on their platform, which is something a smaller creator would have been instantly banned for
Yes! And jacksfilms videos were all about the creators and giving them their voice, they weren’t really just about sssniperwolf as a person
I somewhat agree that he went too far with the number of videos he made about her. However, I must admit that I don't like her as she is a bad person. Nevertheless, she is at fault for going to his house instead of keeping the argument on TH-cam.
Dude literally made an entire channel just to focus on her videos.
He should have made it a channel about tackling lazy reactors as a whole, not just her. That whole 'critique' idea loses water when the entire channel was just HER.
And this is coming from a guy who called her out for being a doxxer on her social media.
ghosting a make a wish kid kind of convinces me she might just lack empathy
A kid, that is about to... and only wish is to see her, and all she does is just ignore?
... yeah thats not a lack of empathy thats straight up psychopath, theres no better word to describe her.
What makes it worse is she tried to use it was the holidays as an excuse but it turns out she was talking to the mom LOOOONG before her "break".
She has no obligation to do it bro
@@Intr0vertical you’re right saying you’ll do something publicly and privately has no obligations attached. It’s just makes people assume you will follow through, like a little girl on her deathbed thinking that she’ll get to meet her hero before she dies.
If someone said that they were going to die and one of their last wishes is to meet me, I’d fucking spend a day with them in a heartbeat. That’s just like the human reaction, like how full of yourself must you be to not take a day or even a few hours.
Saying that the reason Jack didn't do any more SSSniperwolf bingo videos was because he was in the wrong is ignoring a ton of other factors for him stopping. It could be that he doesn't want to further provoke someone who is mentally unhinged and doesn't play by the rules of polite society. It could be that he is building a court case and was advised by his lawyers to not make further videos involving her.
In the video that Jack announced that he was going to be doing Creator Bingo, he even said that he and Erin have been scared to leave their house for fear of being attacked or worse. If the thing you're doing unjustifiably provokes someone to do something crazy and dangerous, you kinda don't want to further provoke that someone to do something worse.
Also, Jack's videos were not harassment. They were rightfully critiquing her content (making his videos transformative and not going against the TOS) and calling out literal content theft. If SSSniperwolf got permission from the creators, or at the very least credited them, and provided actual transformative commentary, Jack would have moved on to other things and maybe even applauded her for taking steps in the right direction.
Reporting on a crime is apparently now punishable by youtube since you're abusing the perpetrator....
@@Sela1yea youtube will do anything to protect their cash cow
Leafy made fun of Pokimaine directly, Jack made fun of SniperWolf's content
Jacksfilms isn’t breaking the terms of service. It isn’t enough just to target someone, you have to also have to abuse. You see how it says “and” instead of “or”. As seen from the image you showed. Just targeting someone is fine
Yea and he kept "targeting " her because she is the biggest youtuber doing this SHE IS SUPPORTED BY TH-cam and she KEPT DOING THIS TYPE OF VIDEOS dispite the criticism so he has every right to keep making videos calling her out, its completly justified
this is the important part. He did nothing worng. And he also kept crediting the original creator. It wasnt harassment at any point.
I still can't see how publicly exposing a content thief us harrasment? According to that logic if you report a crime you ought to go to jail for disturbing the criminal in performing his crime....
You are only reading a snippet of the TOS. The whole document does cover what he did as harassment. It is the repeated mention of said creator on its own that constitutes harassment (as shown with the 2020 guy).
@@manporo5865 but he is not talking about her personally. He crtisezes her chanel/content. This is still not harassment. Stop trying to defend a criminal.
Jack is doing god's work for exposing her true and evil personality, TH-cam is just too blind to even realize it.
Not blind but greedy and biased
Greedy and thirsty, several criminal records wont be enough to terminate her 2nd or even 3rd channel apparently.
Then get lost jerks
Don't use TH-cam then
Those bank statements is a pretty good blindfold huh
stop going into every freaking comment section BuiHieuDong
Two questions remain, I think.
1. When does repeated criticism become harassment?
2. Is repeated valid criticism still criticism if changes are not made?
1. When their whole content is just hating on creator and also convincing others to hate someone
2. Yes. At one point the person that yall had all the right to criticize can become a better person. So there is a point where criticism is invalid
@SpamtonGspamtonOntheweb but did she become better? It seems you are misunderstanding the question. If she continues to not improve the flaws she's being critiqued for than at what point does her getting the same criticism over and over become hardassment? Does it depend on how rapid it is? I mean it wouldnt be reasonable to expect her to never be criticized again for the same thing years later after shes keep persisting in the same flaw.
@@hunterwillis3775 oops I didn't read the last few words. I'm to lazy to write a apology paragraph ngl lol
@@Ralsei_we But she didn't... and she never did. I believe in change too, but is it really change when she continues to do what she's being criticized on? At that point, it's only right to speak up on what she's doing, because what she's doing is unethical and getting away with it. She *knows* it. And that's not someone making a "mistake" and becoming better, she's knowingly ignore how unethical her actions are. None of it is accountability, none of it is improving as a person. Instead, she decided to harm others (those she stole) and especially Jack. I'm glad Jack was bringing light to what she's was doing, because TH-cam would continuously sweep it under the rug, and that too is unethical that should be brought to light. That is what Jack was doing.
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There is no "almost" committed a crime.. She DID commit a crime. Doxing is 100% illegal where they live.
I feel like what Jack did was literally nothing compared to what SSS did, Jack was exposing her for basically CONTENT THEFT with humor, which isnt small when you see all your hard work or some of your creations being stolen and used for someone else that they earn money and you earn basically nothing.
Jack was basically making fun of her for basically doing so vague reaction videos that TH-cam shouldve took it as a warning that SHES BREAKING NOT ONLY THE "ToS" BUT ALSO THE LAW (apparently), of copyright. (weird thing btw)
And what SSS do? put in risk the life of the person who exposes her, not even talking to them before, just directly D0XX, sounds like something only a gang or even a mafia only do or smth, this wasnt a "Both side fault" thing, youtube shouldve took this more seriously and terminate SSSniperwolf a long time ago before all of this started.
and a temporal demonetization? IT LITERALLY WAS ONLY IN HER RECENT VIDEOS AND THAT THE OLD ONES WERE STILL EARNING MONEY, AND THAT TEMPORAL DEMONETIZATION WAS BASICALLY SHORT, is this how YT values the life of someone? just a small punishment?
YT is... being the pet of SSS ngl.
Not only that, lets remember the SEVERAL CRIMINAL RECORD SHE HAS, AND APPARENTLY DOESNT LEARN, YT had so many redflags shown to them yet they ignore.
agreed
I think this video was just bringing to light some interesting points that nobody else had mentioned. Obviously, I still think Jack is in the right here, and SSSniperwolf received far less of a punishment than she should have.
Better not report any crime you witness from now on because it could count as abuse towards the criminals xD
Doesn't what Jacksfilms been doing qualify as Parody and therefore is within the TOS of You Tube though?
I will also add that Sniperwolf was a public figure online. News sites technically make a lot of content on specific people yet get no trouble for it on YT.
Yes and his content is not abusive. The terms say that adter many repetitve AND abuse content toward a person your chanel will be terminated.
@@hajnalkamn9709its not abusive by any stretch lmao, ironically sniperwolf's content is abusive since it takes advantage of other creators' content to make her gain a profit
TH-cam saying "both sides" is a total joke, jacksfilms didn't harass sniperwolf. She doxed him, which should be more than a temporary monetisation.
I guess if your report a crime it's now considered harassment towards the criminal...
the way you drew sssniperwolf is the most accurate to how she looks in real life honestly...
Andrei even got her enhanced lips right 😅
What makes me sad is jack did everything right but he got the shortest end of the stick. He couldve been petty and doubled down or sued her but he made a new type of content that is useful to small creators
While I think we can all agree that what SSSniperWolf did was morally evil, I'm also concerned about TH-cam giving her just a slap on the wrist for this disturbing behavior
TH-cam will do anything to protect their cash cow even if it means hurting creators (who made this platform good in the first place)
Oddly enough I just realised that the way Andrei designs people/charachters is like a less intense version of MeatCanyon-
I hate you for being right
i cant unsee it
Any character design is a less intense version of Meatcanyon
Yeah, it's called caricatures. It's actually fairly common in the world of art.
@@hyperactiveofficial8096 Common picrew pfp L. There's a time to be wrong AND condescending, and yet your comments have done both.
Are you seriously comparing Jack to Leafy?! Being prepared for people disagreeing with you doesn’t make this take less wild. Leafy was a serial bully who literally was known for making fun of other people expanse regardless of what the context was. Jack has used his videos to criticize Sssniperwolf and bring credit to the originals creators. There’s just no comparison.
Edit: Just wanna add that I’m sorry for coming of, or not coming but being so aggressive in my comment. I was writing a lot on emotions when typing it. I still stand by what I said but I could have worded it better. I won’t change it since it to me feels disingenuous to do so since, like I’ve said, I still stand by it, I’m just more calmer now. Again, sorry.
He's an idiot what do you expect
Jack kept doing it repeatedly unprompted
@@Intr0vertical As a parody... with constructive criticisms... and no insults? So all of that's somehow "harassment"?
@@Soup-Boothe's just a lia simp look at he's precious comments
Couple things missed. "A real gamer girl" but shes being sued by her ex, for it was his gameplay she used, thats how her beginning was. So another example of caling others out for what she does.
And she has a previous armed robbery charge proving she could be a threat.
Or her reuploading to another channel which would circumvent her demonetization punishment.
Yeah, I'd say there wasn't enough time in this video to explain everything, but the majority of that has been said by others already.
Honestly, I’m not surprised SSSniperwolf has done so much stuff that’s immoral.
It’s so impressive that she managed to do so much bad stuff that you could write a book.
Edit: Holy Crap, this more likes than I have and probably ever will get on a TH-cam comment, thanks.
Just note that the book would have to include all of her incidents, the implications, and the major question of how her public reputation hasn’t been impacted by those incidents.
For real. Over the past years, she has been a creator she's gotten herself into so much trouble whether that is off the platform or within the platform.
@@PokedigiZ it’s like she wants to see how much she can do before she gets banned.
@@IronThomas37 Perhaps...but YT will probably never ban her until she loses quite a bit of subs. Even then she might just pay for subscribers
@@PokedigiZ I bet she could murder 3 children and she still wouldn’t be banned off TH-cam.
TH-cam saying “both sides” just proves the old saying right. “The darkest depths of hell are reserved for those who can maintain their neutrality in a time of moral crisis”
I've never heard that one before.
brilliant quote
I'm _not_ allowed to take no sides anymore?
holy shit, what a quote.
@@phoenixflambe3319why would you not take a side?? not taking the right side morally is automatically supporting the bad side
I’m way too early but this has become a dangerous platform when people like her are allowed to have platforms
True
Hard agree she's a menace to this platform and to society fr
The thing is Jacksfilms never did anything against TH-cam’s terms of service. Looking at the rule you used as an example it clearly states TH-cam is against insulting someone’s “intrinsic attributes” which is something that would be go beyond professional criticism. The reason leafy was banned was because his videos were mean spirited and personal, he would do stuff like shit on pokimanes appearance. Jacksfilms never criticized sssniperwolf for anything other then her content. He never made comments on her appearance or her past drama. Basically he never insulted her intrinsic attributes so he never broke the terms of service.
The "JJJacksfilms" YT channel isn't against the Terms of Service because of a detail in the line: "...targets, insults and abuses an identifiable individual based on their intrinsic attributes...".
The "based on their intrinsic attributes" is what separates Jack's videos from someone like Leafy's (constantly putting *that* Pokimane picture up and having a whole section where he just says she isn't hot as a "valid criticism").
Jack never made any attempt to ridicule her based on her appearance. The problem and critic was strictly on her content alone.
I am going to say that I strongly disagree with Jacksfilm harassing SSSniperwolf. Yes, he did a channel and a bingo card, mocking elements of SSSniperwolf, but many of those are not “Abusing an individual”, like terms says, its mocking the content, and I think there should be a BIG difference and acknowledge to that. I cant talk about leafy’s situation, as I never actually heard that, but I have seen JJJacksfilm. His whole bingo is about how easy and repetitive SSSniperwolf content is, and you can think this was a little to extreme to make his point, and I can understand that, but he never took things personal. Before the bingo he even had deleted tweets of SSSniperwolf demeaning Jacksfilm by his looks, if you compare that to how Jacksfilm talks about her content, you can really see who is the harasser. To be honest, when TH-cam talk about “Both sides” I question, how about channels that have thousands of videos criticizing bad shows like High Guardian Spice, or the ones criticizing Marvel, Star Wars and Disney? Because its clear that people who work on that has been accusing the channels of harassment and hate towards the creators. If Jacksfilm criticizing SSSniperwolf content means he is harassing her, shouldnt the channels that have hundreds of videos about how bad the new movie “The Marvels” are, shouldnt it count as harassment towards the people who made that movie?
I completely agree.
@mrvr6165 TH-cam's TOS is actually stupid.
i can't see difference between jokes and normal comments
A bunch of other people in the comments have already said it, but I'll reiterate it as I was there for a lot of Jack's livestreams. What he did was direct smaller creators into flagging Lia's content for using their videos without permission. A lot of her uncredited video content came from kids or other smaller creators who had no knowledge of her using their content for her own gain. This wasn't him attacking her and he would even often get mad at his chat for attacking her personally rather than talking about her content. He turned it into a fun activity instead of being hateful about it. Do you have any idea of disturbing it is to see Lia go from just being this person that stole content that he and other's critiqued to an actual threat? This isn't even the first time she's done something like this, but this is the first time that a big platform and a bunch of people downplayed her actions.
Jacksfilms wasn’t demonetized while Sniperwolf was and only after the backlash so, I say Jack is in the right & Sniper definitely in the wrong. Especially since The Act Man was punished for a tweet he jokingly hinted at doxxing in a satirical way yet Sniper was almost about to get away with it. #creditthecreators
@mrvr6165
Yeah! You hit everything on the head right there…. Honestly TH-cam will use TOS or not use it when they damn please whether right or wrong so, I think “both sides” argument doesn’t hold up well. Especially when she had the ability to contact lawyers, talk to TH-cam, credit the creators, etc. anything except doxxing. She totally crossed the line and should’ve been banned.
12:17 watched through the entire vid. Just gonna comment, The ToS did not apply to Jack’s work. It was fair criticism and never went past her videos. He never mentioned any incident outside of what her videos spoke of and never asked his viewers to attack her. though he did implore them to contact the original creators of the works so they could claim their videos and have them removed by SSSniperwolf, he never told them to do anything else. In the end, the issue lay solely on SSSniperwolf… Jacksfilms is actually, while invited to Vidcons and the like, Kinda being pushed out of the inner circle of TH-cam creators as well, meaning that the claim of him being a “golden child” kinda becomes tarnished… In the end. Jacksfilms was in the right to make at least his FIRST video on SSSniperwolf. Maybe one or two more as updates, but the BINGO game may have pushed things just a tiny bit too far in other directions.
if jack didn’t keep pushing for change, nothing would’ve happened to her. even though youtube didn’t do shit about it at least everyone knows how shitty sssniperwolf is now
Reavealing someone’s home is way worse than criticism
The fact that you even began suggesting that Jack should be terminated and not Sniperwolf is absolutely insane. And you didn’t mention at all that the reason why Sniperwolf got away with this was most likely because she’s a female (I mean had it been Jack doxxing Sniperwolf then he would get terminated without a doubt)
Now hang on a minute, there. This video didn't say the JacksFilms channel should be terminated over SSSniperWolf's. It merely explained the "both sides", which TH-cam failed to do. While I agree with you that if Jack had done the crime he would be banned, I would say the money matters more than her gender. I'm not saying her appearance didn't get her a big channel and thus give TH-cam more money. I just don't think gender is the main factor in TH-cam's greedy little mind.
@@crazybird199 You’re right the video didn’t say that, but that’s not even what I said. I said that he “began to suggest” that Jack should be banned by bringing up how Leafy was banned. So you agree that had Jack done what Sniperwolf did he would’ve got banned yet you still don’t think it has to do with her gender, how does that make any sense?? As the guy in the video said, both of them are “TH-cam’s golden kids” and it’s not like Jack had 27 subs so had TH-cam terminated him that would’ve also resulted in less money coming in for TH-cam. You can’t say that Sniperwolf being a woman wasn’t the main reason she got off with a slap on the wrist especially in today’s crazy woke political correctness world. And even if you want to make the argument that TH-cam was only soft on sniperwolf because she is making more money and has more subs and had she been a dude there would’ve been no difference keep in mind that many companies, like for example Disney, have put pushing wokeness and protecting certain people over profits. So in conclusion it’s pretty obvious that Sniperwolf being a woman is what saved her channel
@@paceysinclair8089"woke political correctness world" lmao here come the gamergaters
She got a slap on the wrist because she makes youtube money. It's not that deep
@@spedrun “because she makes TH-cam money” I already defeated that point in my response to the other guy, so nice try libtard😂
@@paceysinclair8089 Ah, I did not fully catch the "began to suggest" in your original comment. While it is possible that the TH-cam employees issuing her punishment were entirely composed of people who were either attracted to her or terrified of the backlash, I find this unlikely. There are few things a company can resist more than money. I'm not saying gender isn't a factor in all this, but I still don't think it is the main one. It's hard to say exactly what is happening inside of TH-cam HQ, but I don't think public relations are the primary concern of TH-cam. Especially after they waited a week to release a statement and then didn't issue a full punishment (on all of SSSniperWolf's channels), causing much more backlash than banning a female ever would.
So basically, if you publicly call someone out for being a criminal and provide evidence, it's somehow harrasment according to TH-cam?
I put some thought in the jack harassment arguement and i realized something. Jack didnt harass her at all he made videos that critqued her but she could have ignored him. What he was actually doing was raising awareness that she was stealing content and credited the actual creator while notyfing them that they are within their right to copyright strike sniperwolf.
I just read through all the Community Guidelines regarding Harassment and Cyberbullying and I disagree that JacksFilms did anything wrong. I watching all his SSSniperwolf bingo videos and (for the most part) his criticism was focussed on the content and not the intrinsic attributes of the individual. Although he made many videos 'targeted' at one person, there is no specific bullet point that he violated, whereas it's clearly stated that posting PII (personally identifiable information) is against the rules.
Yep exactly, people seem to want to keep it as an open "maybe" without addressing proof against that (such as the example as I mentioned)
Considering it harrasement is like saying a detective searching for a serial killer, a stalker
I think the issue is that he wasn’t directly insulting her he was simply watching her videos to call out her bad behavior and spinning it in a way that’s very transformative
I think its just really scary that she would drive to the guy's house and take a picture of it.
If it was Jack doxxing Sssniperwolf, he would definitely get a harsher punishment because she could classify it as Harassment. As much as we all want gender equality, there will always be individuals who want there to be an imbalance as it then gives them a reason to push something or have an excuse to get out of something.
She didn’t ‘’almost’’ commit a crime, she did commit a crime punishable in a court of law
I'm sorry Andrei, but no. Jack was not violating either of those things you highlighted in "Monetization and other penalties," as the things he was making fun of ONLY involved her content and not her as a person, and thus also NOT inciting hostility at all. How she takes criticism of her content is on her. I've never seen Veils content but I would bet that he was making fun of Pokimane as a person on top of her content.
I feel it what Jack was doing was fair criticism. He never told to suggested that his audience go and attack SSSniperwolf. If it seems crazy that he uploaded dozens of videos on her it's because she just kept doing the same actions warranting that criticism... she never changed.
Fun Fact: I was watching Jacks bingo stream 2-3 days before sniperwolf "visited" him, and he specifically shifted his sight towards another big creator that is considered a freebooter - XQC. He started the stream with normal sniperwolf bingo, but after 40-ish minutes (if I remember correctly) went on to do the same to XQC and said he would continue doing this but to other "react" channels. He was clearly changing the direction from only sniperwolf content to criticizing the freebooting creators in general. I can't say that john doing this would have changed anything, but just wanted to say that this was the case.
He also highlighted Jason Derulo’s free booting
Bro the only thing more criminal than sniperwolf doxxing jacksfilms is the way andrei drew jack💀🙏
I'm glad to see long format videos again. Shorts are cool but this allows for a deeper dive into videos
i feel like most people in the comments are not watching the whole video until the end. nobody comments on andrei's last section of the video. thanks andrei! this does gives another prespective that i've yet to think about. you're doing a great job.
Uh no. Its not harassment to react to content. If that were the case Ssssniperfish would STILL be more guilty for reacting more....That made no sense, and it seems like Andrei is just trying to find fault in Jack's actions and defend TH-cam's obviously flawed qoutes.
See, *this* is why I like this channel. He puts light to the whole story, even playing devil's advocate in order to ensure that the whole story is told.
He usually does that but in this video he just wrongfully criticized Jack. Jack did absolutly nothing wrong or broke any guidelines while Sniperwolf did many times in the pass and did this time with just a slap on the wrist there is clearly a good side and a bad side in this story
as @bullen1126 pointed out, Jacksfilms isn’t breaking the terms of service. It isn’t enough just to target someone, you have to also have to abuse. You see how it says “and” instead of “or”. As seen from the image you showed. Just targeting someone is fine.
I really appreciate how he told the full story and unbiased this story has been purposely convoluted by commentary channels
09:17 "In some rare cases"
So sometimes it is against the terms, sometimes it isn't. Considering TH-cam didn't warn Jack, he is not at fault.
Bro was critisizing her and she committed a crime by doxxing. Those are two different things ! But no youtube lets her get a free pass as long as her videos are not monitized
A bit of an update on this situation as she’s been found out to have done more then just this whole situation:
It’s been very much suggested and as each day goes by more and more proven that Lia aka SSSniperWolf has actually been stealing more then just videos…but possibly a whole person’s likeness, AzzyWorld who does similar videos but actually has constructive feedback to reacting rather than stating the obvious has been for a while now had her likeness, her video structure and just genuine portrayal copied by SSSniperwolf, as of recent she came out and said this has been happening for a while now but because of her being smaller then SSSniperwolf she was always accused that she stole off her, now Azzy has lived in the US her life while Lia moved from the UK to the US and adapted a accent as time went on and along with faking her gaming videos caught wind of Azzy and began adapting to be similar which Azzy caught wind of and asked could she stop which Lia accused her of copying, now of course with the following she has many flocked to her defence and Azzy was ultimately made to be the guilty party.
Azzy tho regardless has shown to not fully let this stop her and has been doing so much for her fans like for instance donating $100,000 of her own money to charity to aid sick kids, going out of her way to buy some presents for Christmas with no bad intentions but only because she genuinely wanted to bring smiles while in comparison as said in the video Lia was asked by one singular dying child if she would come see them as a wish and GHOSTED them with her then trying to act and say it wasn’t wrong of her to do so. like straight away you can see why many already believe this too be true with Azzy having proof as well on her end.
Also no disrespect to you Andrei but if you were to look at the comparison to what Jack did its honestly not even a contest as under the same guidelines in which TH-cam made clear she put the life of Jack/John in danger and as such under the same guidelines would of been immediately terminated as a channel, another TH-camr joked on twitter about doxing TH-cam staff which was obviously seen as a joke and was demonetised without any chance to argue, no what Jack did was under the guidelines would be categorised as constructive criticism or feedback hence why JJJacksfilms was made as he also made it a mission to credit those who she didn't, this is why many were and still are furious with TH-cam as they essentially looked the other way to protect her because she with the amount of traction she gets from "fans" it was them trying to defend a cash cow.
Like It’s honestly astonishing that she is very much getting away with all this and no repercussions whatsoever have come out of this, like this woman is showing more and more that she is more destructive and a threat to TH-cam then something she should be protected, she has police reports of actual crimes she’s has committed, shown to be a stalker with Jacksfilms and ultimately shown her true self to the public yet TH-cam isn’t acting on this because it's a lost to their financial gain…..this to me is insane and so bias bigotry that is laughable.
According to the TH-cam guidelines, what Jack was doing was perfectly fine. He was never targetting, insulting or abusing Sssniperwolf, heck he went out of his way to explain to his audience that that would never be the point and that he very much disliked all the videos on Sssniperwolf various dramatic episodes that did this. It wasn't about her, it was about her content.
Also, initially, "Jjjacksfilms" wasn't even about Sssniperwolf. Yes, it was named in that same style, but beyond that it wasn't about her. It was only after she decided to attack Jack on Twitter that the whole Bingo-thing began.
This whole situation really just proves that the TOS and community guidelines of TH-cam and how it is enforced, needs reform
She knew exactly what she was doing.
Exactly, she wanted Jack to stop making videos about her and she succeeded
Yep. She did the same stuff with GirlGoneGamer during her "gaming" days. Then she turned around and said that it was her fanbase that did it and not her. She's not innocent and she knows exactly what she's doing.
As frustrating as the situation is, I'm glad that the conversation around this is still going.
The fact Jack backed down n said he "won't be reacting to anyone he doesn't have permission from" seems like TH-cam is gonna be changing some react rules soon 😕
Andrei, I haven’t seen your content in a while, and I am not disappointed, keep it up man! Also, those old rapping in different languages should come back, they were awesome!
Ah, thank you for explaining that "both sides" thing. Nobody else explained that JacksFilms had been breaking TOS to me. Obviously, I'm still almost entirely on his side. A repeated criminal offender showing up at someone's house and projecting exactly where they live to millions of people is definitely worse than breaking one or two TH-cam rules. Still, though, there is a "both sides" here. I wish TH-cam would've explained the Jack's offenses instead of leaving it ambiguous in their Tweet. I'd say JJJacksFilms moving away from that kind of content is a good idea for all parties, though.
I don't think you covered enough, however, that TH-cam had banned creators from their platform for crimes irl. I do think that SSSniperWolf is getting special treatment. Maybe not to be called TH-cam's "Golden Child," she wouldn't have been punished at all then, but there is some serious stuff going on behind the scenes.
I mean the only reason she was punished at all is probably due to the massive outcry. I'd say she definitely is the golden child. She was probably involved in the decision to give her a slap on the wrist considering her obviously PR (and possibly Chat GPT) apology.
@@floofusdoofus Yeah, I would say TH-cam only tried to punish her to cover their butts, it wasn't enough for the public but they didn't want to change it and admit they were wrong.. I suppose the lack of action for any of her previous offenses (besides the whole doxxing thing) would make her a Golden Child, at least to some degree. I also agree with you that the apology was co-authored, or at the very least approved, by TH-cam. This is supported by the fact that her apology came minutes after TH-cam's.
But he didn't violate the terms of service though. His actions weren't harassment; he was providing critiques on her content, which is permitted by the TOS. While repetition could be a point to consider, it still seems like a far fetch because each of his videos is distinct; the only common thing being the motive i.e. critiquing her content. Applying the same logic, creators consistently playing Dhar Mann bingo with his videos might also be seen as violating the TOS, yet they haven't faced consequences from TH-cam. The initial videos of JJJacksfilms were clear parodies, which comes under fair use. And every channel on TH-cam has some motive or the other, so that also checks out.
@@OopsIDidItAgainUh That's true. It does some to be a technicality that JacksFilms could be punished for. The other side is a bit more clearly wrong.
This video misses out a lot of the nuance of the situation.
First of all at 9:18 when you are showing the TH-cam guidelines, on the repeated targets policy you intentionally miss out where it specifies "insults and abuses", Jacksfilms never made a single personal insult, he only critiqued her content, or more accurately her stealing of content.
If someone makes repeated videos on a scammer who keeps scamming people, are they harassing the scammer, or should the scammer stop scamming?
If a channel makes a new video critiquing every single episode from a TV show currently releasing, does that count as them harassing the director? No, it doesn't.
Also comparing jacksfilms did to sssniperwolf to what leafy did to pokimane is ignoring so much information and nuance.
Leafy went after pokimane personally, attacking her appearance, which actually violates the policy as it comes under "insults and abuses", that is why leafy broke the rules and not jacksfilms. Not to mention before leafy did that, he had a history of harassing creators, children and the disabled, his entire channel was against TH-cam guidelines, that is why he got punished. You ignored all of this and only looked at the number of videos made so you could say they broke the same rules.
At the end of the video you took jacksfilms response that he will no longer make videos on sssniperwolf as you being right. She literally went to his house and has a history of armed robbery, he obviously just doesn't want to risk any harm coming to him or his family. Not to mention the fact that TH-cam is protecting sssniperwolf so fairly critiquing her may get him in trouble.
You said at the start of the video that this situation lacked the nuanced approach it deserves, but this video lacks the nuance.
The fact that she got away with it sends away a terrible message towards other creators to do something even crazier maybe even murdering someone
TH-cam is like the teacher that punishes both the bully and victim
I disagree, all the reasonable methods to criticise ssniperwolf have literally been exhausted, be it responses that as you have mentioned been copyright struck, to telling yt that she is doing things against the guidelines.
The name golden child is perfect for her as she literally does nothing but use random tiktoks (and re uses some) and juat repeats what happened in the video.
All the rational ways have been exhausted and yt has showed how twisted they are.
To break down what Andrei meant when JacksFilms broke the TH-cam rules was the sentences that were highlighted.
• JacksFilms created a channel to create content to criticize a repeated individual based on her attributes on several uploads, which had sparked viewers to be hostile against SSSniperwolf. Although these were for positive things like Andrei said, he still targeted SSSniperwolf on multiple occasions to criticize her.
As much as I HATE what SSS did, I do agree that what Jacksfilms was doing previously basically felt like harassment. Honestly. He posted about her nonstop every single day for MONTHS. I actually had to unsubscribe from him it was getting so irritating to see the same borderline one-sided beef every single day. So, while I think what SniperWolf did was crazy, I almost understand where she was coming from. And, admittedly, it did kind of make Jack stop.
Thats what I'm saying but people here are on copium and are in deniel.
@@DiamondAviator4 Like what she did was TERRIBLE but Jack was /almost/ as bad, imo. Felt like a literal harassment campaign.
It feels like a lot of videos made on the topic are (understandably) tried to be made as soon as possible before the drama dies out, which means that the people making them don't have time to watch what jjjacksfilms ACTUALLY put out. Probably at most a few minutes and maybe even 1-2 videos were watched and by seeing the amount of content talking about sssnipierwolf put out it's easy to come to the conclusion that what he's doing probably counts as harassment in some way. The thing is, he NEVER really harasses her and mainly helped a lot of small creators after what sssniperwolf has done to them by using heir content, sometimes her comments (or lack of them) and mainly lack of credit. What sssniperwolf has done was purely emotional and has NO ground to stand on.
Respectfully, I disagree with the argument that Jack's content is against TOS. Based on TH-cam's TOS, expressly stated by TH-cam(TH-cam answer 2802268 on Google support), the only attribute of harassment I believe this comes close to is, "Repeatedly target[ing], insult[ing] and abuse[ing] an identifiable individual based on their intrinsic attributes across several uploads." This is one possibility cited in the video. However, use of, "intrinsic attributes" is later indirectly defined in the segment, "Using an extreme insult to dehumanize an individual based on their intrinsic attributes. For example: 'Look at this dog of a woman! She’s not even a human being - she must be some sort of mutant or animal!'." Had he been directly or indirectly insulting the way she looks or dehumanizing her, I would have agreed with you. However, he was criticizing her content. She overreacted. In addition, under this TOS guideline stated above, you need to, "Repeatedly [target], [insult] and [abuse] an identifiable individual." While Jack may have (arguably) targeted her, it is my belief that he neither insulted nor abused her.
TL:DR; He criticized her. She took it as a personal attack and overreacted.
Damn your back its been like 2-3 years without a video
9:21
See I would actually disagree that he breaks the terms of service. He target sniperwolf, but he didn’t abuse her and only insulted her when she did something to earn it. He was attacking her style of content, not her personally.
JJJacksfilms was a parody channel. Satire is allowed on TH-cam. The channel was undeniably transformative. If the TH-cam TOS were to be indiscriminately applied, this would never have happened- SsSniperwolf broke them a long, long time ago. She would therefore need something worse than a ban, which doesn’t exist.
Define "earn it"
She didn't "almost commit a crime" she DID commit a crime
yoo welcome back! where were you from so long! we missed ya
He was anemeting
Andrei having a single Magic the Gathering video among all Sssniperwolf reactions is somehow the most relatable thing i've seen today
understandable that in TH-cams POV we can see that what Jacksfilms is breaking ToS and that you could agree that he is a "golden child" of youtube. The difference is that Jacksfilms has become a household family name on TH-cam because he EARNED it. He has dedicated his entire life being a TH-camr within the confines of TH-cam's standards properly. He has good morals and he has been consistent with how he portrays himself rationally in the public. He fights for what's right in the TH-cam community, and he made JJJacksfilms to hammer in the point of what SSSniperWolf is doing is wrong. The public universally agrees that SSSniperWolf has done absolutely NOTHING to earn the recognition she is getting and the preferential treatment TH-cam is showing IS the problem, compounded along with the increasing amount of receipts of SSSniperWolf's rotten behavior for the past few years. This is making TH-cam an uncomfortable platform to stay on for creators if people can get away with criminal activity as long as you are making a lot of money for TH-cam. This is why so many people are trying to make sure this issue cannot be swept under the rug. It seems like everyday there is news of SSSniperWolf's bad deeds and a lot of the commentary community are signal boosting these videos because they understand that the slap on the wrist SSSniperWolf got is not enough (not to mention the fact she's avoiding the "punishment" by using her MONETIZED secondary channels and reuploading there). This IS a complex situation, however the only reason it is complex is because we're seeing more and more of who SSSniperWolf truly is. It's pretty clear cut for the public on who is truly in the wrong, it is just disgusting that TH-cam doesn't do anything despite this fact. And another thing to note is that when previous TH-cam creators, like The Act Man, joked about doxxing youtube staff in response to another creator harassing his family with no repercussion from TH-cam, he IMMEDIATELY got punished for it. You can clearly see a double standard TH-cam has shown to everyone and no one is having it when this dangerous precedent clearly affects the majority of TH-cam creators.
Doxxing and not following the TH-cam guidelines are both very different in their own terms, both can't be judged based on same scale
yeah comparing what Jack is doing to Leafy is fucking insane. Leafy had a history of just straight up bullying people, encouraging self-harm, racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia and more. Jack is just calling SSSniperwolf scummy and making satire out of her scummy behavior. it is not at all similar.
You know one side is better when they use this oppotunity to learn from it and create something better of it
while the other is getting into conflicts again and again
I have to side with the comments here, I can't agree with the idea that Jack was harassing her on any level. He went out of his way to ONLY target the "content" of her channel and never once went for the many, many, MANY easy potshots he could have taken. Even *after* she doxxed him. If anything I feel like that took quite a bit of restraint.
I think his channel's shift in direction had less to do with violating ToS and more that SSSniperwolf successfully intimidated him into silence. Is it for the better that he stops talking about her? Possibly, but even if he didn't, it would still be his right to do so. Jack was pretty firm on his own stance that he was never harassing her. I doubt those videos would still be up if he agreed they were.
I do hope that on her death bed, the person who is in charge of giving her at least her last meal just straight up forgets because they were too busy
Incredible how most comment completely ignored any nuance you brought to the discussion to basicaly repeat the same things that is beeing said under any other video on the subject. Nuance is dead, and yall killed it lmao
I liked Andrei's video. This isn't a clear cut case. And he never go to Azzyland which is the current situation.
I have felt that nuance is dead understanding a different perspective to this people is gone they just dont want to see the two sides to a story its insane
Ghosting the dying girl is just pure evil. I would cancel every plan i had and go meet her as soon as possible.
Jjjacksfilsms channel was fully on the side of fair use, and can not be categorized as harassment, in any way. He was never disrespectful, never made personal attacks or false claims about her.
Just watching one video is enough to see that he used to make entertaining content while offering legit constructive criticism of her lazy reactions.
If TH-cam truly felt both sides were wrong, they should have temporarily demonetized Jacksfilms as well. This gives me more of the impression that youtube felt both sides were OK. Their action is the exact opposite of what they're saying which is more worrisome.
How in the hell is Jack breaking ToS? Repeated criticisms are not harassment. The man literally calls out content theft and ironically makes it adhere to ToS by adding on to the videos. What kind of delusion is there that Jack has done something wrong by just calling out someone doing something bad??? I'm sorry but like.... no. It's just plain delusional to think this is a "both sides" kinda thing.
I don't think he was insulting intrinsic attributes of sniperwolf.
Im glad to see Jack back again
Leafy was harassing Pokimaine herself, Jacksfilms is "harassing" Sssniperwolf's content, the is an insane diffrence
The only good thing about this situation is that it made Andrei make a video
[UNORIGINAL] the most creative thing she did is going to his house for 10 minutes.
maybe im biased but surely what jack was doing was more similar to channels that persistenly review/critise one single form of media?? Like he wasn't roasting her but her content? he never discussed anything about her other than her content, no drama, no boyfriend, no personal attacks, nothing. just reactions. like Jarvis does dhar man bingo, is that harrassment?
i dunno if this makes sense. like yeah he insulted her reactions and jokes but that is still all content? he never brought in anything other than yt vids posted to her main channel like?
like idk this is just odd to me and i can't quite agree. i never watched leafy but i remmeber him being a bad faith youtuber? so i can't imagine what he and jack did are equitable? what jack did was completly fair use. like if somone was dedicated to critisisng and roasting big bang theory you wouldn't say they were harrasing the actors, producers or writer? edited for spelling lol
Oh shit I thought he might’ve died or something but forgot how long and hard animation can be
Vă mulțumim pentru videoclipul distractiv! ❤
( thanks for the entertaining video!!)