Hawk Knives Custom Deadlock: The perfect OTF?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- There are things about OTF knives, specifically double action versions, that prevent people from buying them. Gavin Hawk has addressed these issues and made what should be considered the new benchmark for all OTF automatic knives. Let's break it all down and see what he's done.
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Me: these knifes look pretty good, i should buy one!"
Hawk: The price of our Deadlocks currently range between $1,000 and $1,800.
Me: Oh....
Don’t be poor.
@@michaelric3540 Eat the rich
Castillo Staredown I agree there are some greedy people/families with too much wealth. However our real problem is governments.
I will stay with my Cobratec until the price comes down
BRYTEWHYTE few years later the price is going up
"I like in and out play, my wife can tell you that" lol!
ya haha, made my evening lol
No No literally the most savage thing I've ever heard
lol
I subscribed because of that comment
@Justin Horn LMAOOOOOOOOOOO u savage
I love how casual you were about the reveal. made me chuckle.
Have been slowly saving up for one of these. Will be the first custom I place an order for. Their E.T. mass production through Kershaw got me into knives many years ago - little did I know they'd become my favorite knife designers/makers.
Thank you for the video and I was genuinely happy that it sounds like there should be a 4th generation as well.
Gavin seems like a pretty chill person.
I think you're right about that ;)
I've never been much into knives or guns but I love these fancy custom OTFs that are coming out now. The engineering and craftsmanship that goes into them is amazing! Great vid, can't wait to see more.
The most I have ever spent on a single knife was $400. But my oh my, if OTF knives were legal in Australia, I would happily drop over $1000 on that beauty^. What a gorgeous knife with superb innovative engineering.
Thanks for the review and eye candy
Love the knife . Love how they solved the problem of the lockup that nobody would ever use it to stab into a trash can . The sand shark 🦈 is probably the best lock to this day . The piranha lock up mechanism is really great . Not the blade firmness but the locking strength . The infidel stamp internals are garbage. Love the internals of the dead lock , but I personally think the microtech internals are tried and true simple the sears are beefy , the slide is solid. The newer Dirac slide is my favorite internal slide . If microtech used 2 sears to lock could take the blade wobble out .
Great review, Thanks Jim.
Gavin Hawk is the 2.0 version of a Brilliant Genius that is Grant, his Dad.
What a beautiful knife!!!
Been waiting for a good review video on these. Thanks Jim. Also, can't wait to see the upcoming videos that you mentioned will be coming from Gavin.
Thanks!
g&g turn the knife world upside down yet again
Jim Skelton what the price on a knife like this typically?
I need one. So many great innovations with these OTF's. I have a bunch of Microtech OTF's and love them all but I really want one of these. I remember a year or so ago when there was a video of these guys talking about their OTF's and they were showing a prototype. These are beautiful. Very nice work. I hope to see one in person someday.
That in and out joke just got me to subscribe
I like it I’m gonna buy it thank you
You're going to spend $1'800 on a f×××ing knife!?!...✋😲✋😲👊😲NO!!!
why do you care?
I just purchased my first Hawk Auto, Marble Carbon Fiber handle, tumbled Titanium hardware, SV20, (Premium Steel), sharpened double edge.
Awaiting Arrival!
I received mine and it is exquisite, no play, beautiful action, superbly sharpened on both sides and it was symmetrical on both sides at the tip to perfection.
Really impressed.
The only thing I'd like to see is a window breaker tip on the end.
Overall I'm extremely happy with my purchase and it in my opinion is worth the 💰!
How much for it
@craigfinley2507
Cost was $1,250.00.
Now one identical to mine sells for approximately $1,700.00 used in mint condition.
@@sixshooter4570 thanks for the info. It is well made no wiggle , the one you have the black one with the mirror blade is sweet.
@@craigfinley2507
Mine doesn't have a mirror blade.
Bead blasted.
You mean 20CV for the steel? I assume so. I was excited for a new steel to learn about
When these first came out I was thinking microtech might try to buy this patent from the hawks. Luckily for microtech, and anyone else making otf's, gavin only sells the custom versions for now. I've had my name come up on the dead lock list for the last 6 months but can't justify spending over 1k direct on one, but if they sell this design to a production company, I'll be all over it and doubt I'd ever carry an ultratech again.
i would love if they would do a production collab with Milit like with the Mudd. I might actually buy an OTF.
James Mackintosh was just playing with my mudd. want to sell cause soo thick buck might keep cause it's soo cool. love it either way
I'd love to see them offer different strength springs and wedge systems so the end user can swap them out. Just amazing designs!!! Great job Gavin!
If you ask they can give you a softer spring
What a beautiful knife, to bad OTF knives are banned in my country =(
COME TO MURICA
Nicest OTF I've seen, even makes the Microtech knife less desirable, and I thought they were the standard of OTF. I absolutely love that knife. It would work very well for me, I have one hand and opening and closing a knife can be difficult for me. Thanks for the review Jim!
Another set of thoughts for those opposed to the "cost" of this knife. Brands like Microtech offer customs as well. Try getting a double action out the front from Microtech, or Marfione custom knives with a titanium frame, titanium switch, titanium pocket clip, carbon fiber scales, a high end blade steel, AND a hand ground blade by the maker himself....for around $1,000. You'll pay at LEAST $3,000 and you'll still have some blade wiggle
Little late to the party on this vid. But, you told me to go back and look at this one while reviewing your Model C. review (which I’ve watched twice already) so here I am. Great review, Jim. My model C will arrive by this, Friday! Another great vid.
Thanks. And congratulations on a killer score. Enjoy!
I have one of these and i couldn't be happier.
i have a microtec scarab and troodon, both of which i plan on selling now. everytime i handle them all i can think about is how awesome my deadlock is.
I cant even begin to describe how awesome this knife is. sure its alot of money but high end knives hold their value very well and in lots of cases will go up in value. down the road if i need the money i can sell it for probably very close to what i paid for it......well thats atleast how i justified it to myself :-)
right??? Microtech sells so called "custom" knives in the same price range as the Deadlock. However their "custom" knives have CHEAP materials like ALUMINUM for handles and a wobbly blade lol. If someone wants to pay for a knife with an aluminum handle, more power to em, but not with my money
I would want to see the torture test like I’ve seen on MicroTech before considering.
I can't wait for mine!
I wish I could buy one similar to this knifes action and lockup with more basic knife materials like 440c blade and such. A non custom version basically. I love otf’s.
I like the design and construction. It's always good to see knife technology improving. Hopefully they make them in different colors tho...
Easily one of the most beautiful blades I’ve seen, great video!
got to love Texas. I have an otf knife and yes they are getting momentum I started seeing tons of otf knifes in stores, gun shows, etc. some knives made I Texas with lifetime warranty.
What i want to see is a button that isnt loose, this one sounded pretty loose too, ive never liked really expensive knives but this one is pretty cool, and the person who made it seems pretty cool too
that's the best looking otf i have ever seen
This is the sickest OTF I’ve ever seen.
Voiding a warranty for dissassembly is actually illegal under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, it's just that no one is willing to take them to court over it.
That's interesting, I didn't know that. In this case I encourage people to take them apart :)
That's an amazing knife!
Opening this up would have been epic!!! Please reconsider. If he says it's easy I'm sure it is;)
Tap my screen name. I opened mine up
"I like in and out play. My wife can tell you that!" lmao.
Wow sooooooo funny.
Excited for mine, going with brass and cf.
Been on the list since the initial run but the times kept having me delay it haha. Now this video def got me itchin
I hope in the future we’ll have more otfs with no blade wobble.
I want those knives! That's an awesome OTF!
Awesome review on the deadlock knife and appreciated it very much.
Like I've said before, when you consider other brands like Microtech sell "customs" that still have ALUMINUM handles in the same price range as one of these, the obvious value can be seen in the Deadlock.
I'm super interested in how the mechanism works now. I'm pretty familiar with firearms and I can imagine a lot of similar lock technology working well on an OTF knife, so I'd like to see if I'm guessing right about how it works.
Its a totally original mechanism. . . hopefully I can do a take down video soon.
I'm really hoping someone comes out with an OTF camp knife. Kidding, but some day it'll happen.
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i hope they make a midtech version in the 400$ to 500$ price range
I think that's the next step. I've heard Millit Knives might be the maker.
But is it Valerian steel?
ViTRTor BelfoTRT valyrian*
A myth !
ViTRTor BelfoTRT actually its beskar
W00t! Model B customs aka Batch 4 just announced! Millit Knives to make a run of Deadlocks as well. Not sure how excited I am though. These runs will be shorter blades and handles. I like my Model A. Just got even more exclusive!
Is it StatTrak™?
I'm not sure some blade play in a OTF is a bad thing for reliable lock up. I'd buy a version if priced in the $5-600 range. I live in Texas and can legally carry any knife I want, as long as I have my CHL and handgun, as the law Jim mentions has changed. My EDC is a Microtech Cipher OTF...what did the version in your vid sell for, Jim?
Those knives have to have some play in them. The only looseness that ever bugged me on the microtech is the vertical give that comes when cutting stuff.
biblical giants Zero play. As you can see demonstrated over and over in the video, and the entire reason for this knife's creation.
Technically you're correct. All otf's have to have play in them for the blade to travel back and forth. But when it's locked up, there is no need for play. The problem with other otf designs is they're not able to fully lock the knife up. That's where the deadlock comes in. The deadlock locks the knife solid when open and closed
Gavin Hawk Good response Gavin and Jim. The Hawk otf is a truly awesome and innovative design. Great upload! Thanks guys!
That looks great! I really admire your ability!
This just killed it for me. I was about to spend $290 on a Microtech Ultratech with the Jade g-10 handle. That would drive me nuts all that blade play. Why can't microtech figure out how to do that.
Crazy you have to spend a grand for zero blade play. I will stick with my out the side autos
Let’s see you try to make one.
Engineering an otf automatic to have the same fixed nature as a solid blade is pretty daunting.
As the spring loses elasticity, will the wedge start failing to lock in? I know it takes thousands and thousands of firings, but the way it's described that may become an issue years down the road.
I don't see it being any issue. It's a tiny spring and it's function is simply to allow the blade into that "wedge". It doesn't actually create the lockup.
Jim Skelton
Yea, hard to describe over text, but I was referring to the spring that pushes the blade forward. You described that as having a stopping point, and if the spring fires too hard, it will force it past said point, causing permanent lock up. I was thinking the opposite. Suppose the spring becomes too weak to get the blade into that locking point. Therefore the blade can't be pushed into the wedge far enough, so it would fail to fully deploy. Guess I will have to wait for someone to disassemble and get a full look and the innards. Thanks for the reply :)
Hey Jeff,
So there are two main firing springs that propel the blade back and forth. And they are both well within there recommended spring load. Which is a problem on a lot of automatic knives, more so on side openers. To get the power and rotation, they go past the recommended travel of the spring. Generally a knife company is happy if a spring lasts 10,000 cycles. In OTFs the springs are generally within there recommended travel. Although the harder they fire, the more stress on the springs, and more likely that the springs are going past there recommended travel, and they will break. We prefer the lighter spring tension for two reasons, first its easier to operate, and second the springs will last longer. We've done extensive tests with opening and closing, and the springs have gone well over 28,000 times, and I haven't broke on yet. Some point soon I'll be doing a full take down video showing how everything works, and in that I will talk about some other solutions we've come up with for making the springs last. I've heard a lot of complaints about springs breaking in Microtech knives, and that is because of the way the springs attach.
Just for clarification, when a spring is used within its recommended travel, the spring will last a very, very long time, without loosing it's memory. When you go past the recommended travel the spring will break. I've even seen charts from spring companies that break down how many times a spring can be cycled depending on how much of the travel is being used. When looking at a chart like this, you'll see that as you get closer to, or past the recommended travel, the cycles/lifetime of the spring shrink exponentially.
Also one last side note, when an double action otf is open or closed, the spring is at rest. Verses a side opening auto, that when closed the spring is at it's maximum deflection, which can cause memory loss in the spring, making the knife open slower over time. Which is why some people store their automatics in the open position. That's not an issue with double action otf knives.
Gavin Hawk
And Jim said you can't explain stuff the non engineering types can't understand ;) Appreciate the info. I do still wonder though, since you are already using a light spring, it wouldn't take much 'memory loss' for it to stop performing well. I mentioned I know it takes thousands and thousands of firings to reach such a point, just the weakness is what made me inquire. Since you will be offering a harder firing spring, it would in my mind, make sense to get that one, over the weak one. You said you went 28k firings with no breaking, how about failure to lock in? Was there any issue with it being too weak to fully deploy and get solid lock up?
It's a little early to talk about our in house testing, but I will say that we didn't have any issues with the springs, and no memory loss whats so ever. And we were still getting a solid lock.
Weak is a relative word, but the springs would be almost identical, but different lengths. When you're within the engineered limits of the spring, the spring will last forever. As you get closer and closer to the limits of the spring, the life of the spring goes down drastically. When I start offering a stronger spring set up, there will need to be testing to make sure it will last. With all of that being said, things break. If anything ever breaks on any knife I make, I fix it. In this case, if a spring broke, or started to get weaker, I'd just send you a new one, and you could replace it very easily.
I carry a Lightning OTF to work for general tasks. I live in Oklahoma (legal)
the off knives I have seen are easy to disassemble and maintain but that's just me
As soon as I heard the wife joke I smashed the subscribe button
Take it easy there chief... ☺ I love otf's, but they're a no go up here in Canada.
Very beautiful and love the locking factor but over $1000 damn I can’t touch one.
Great overview of a very interesting knife! ⚔️😎👍
epic piece Jim, great vid as usual
work of art, im truly jealous man....wow!....if i had to be picky though, i kinda like the sound a microtech makes vs a deadbolt, just my opinion though!
I love the double edge
Great video, love the details, gotta look into these.
I'd like to see nicer finishes on the blades for knives this high-end.
Greg Garrison well, it's a custom knife so make your finish request when you commission the build.
most states not care if you carry one or not. unless its new york or cali i would say. Iv movied around quite a bit. and i have always carried my halo5 otf. I have never once had a problem with the law. Even when they ask to see it. I have always got it back, and more times then not they really liked it. I live in maryland now. Now i do have a carry permit, but autos and otf's are illegal. That being said iv been stoped a few times now. iv never had a problem. great video
Have you seen the video’s of microtechs ? I would trust the strength on a microtech over the hawk .
That’s a beautiful knife.
beautiful knives....however it seems to me when your talking marfione microtechs.....the customs are about 1,000.00 more when all they do is anodize some parts and do some extra polishing????...you can say there hand ground....but lots of 250.oo fixed blades are all hand ground....so thats not a reason to jack up the price.....dont get me wrong at the end of the day they are beautiful knives
Wow just amazing stuff! The blade play of OTF knives is the reason I was never interested in them. Problem solved!
Jim totally prefer the video cut versus rushing a video to beat your cameras cut off.
I really like this otf
Love the knife! Hate the pocketclip, too gimmicky (and it looks too short), I prefer a standard milled clip.
Guilty as charged I have opened some up but only cheaper ones. One of the cheapest I can't fix .screws stiped ,blad don't ride th body well .I'm not sending it back .have I learned something? Yes .I'm gonna try to get new screws etc..
Love that knife awsome looking. I'd like to be able to own this knife
In Texas with the passing of HB1935 as of September 1, 2017 we will be able to carry daggers, dirks, Bowies, etc... so now an auto opener with a double edge will be legal.
Excellent background "noise" for flytying :P
How much does it cost$$ love the way its also designed beautiful knife !!!
They are very cool. In my opinion the handles look unfinished. I would definitely buy one if I could!
I know this is an older vid but @11:05..... immediately reminded me of Beto 😂😂😂
Great Video Jim!
marfioni will steal this design shortly!!!!!!!!!!
if this knifemaker cooperates with tony from microtech for a collaboration that would be a knife on its own class
Did the testing videos you mention ever get made? I didn't see them on YT, or the Hawk site...
Are there two different sizes in your video?
I recently picked up a model C. Now I want a Model B.
Beautiful workmanship, excellent design, aesthetically pleasing and fairly priced. I have many fixed blades and folders which are tools for cutting (at work, camping, skinning etc.) but for me the philosophy of use (as Nutnfancy would put it) for this knife and indeed any out-the-front knife has only one purpose. Hurting people. And for that reason..."you're fired"...;)
This OTF is meant to be used! There are all other OTF knives, then there is this one. . .don't judge this knife based on other knives ;)
Gavin Hawk
Sorry Gavin, I mean no disrespect but I can't get past the fact that ANY out the front knife has only one purpose. I have many knives, machete's, axes etc, each one of which has a practical use which doesn't involve maiming or killing anyone. OTF blades are like Italian switchblades - made only to hurt people.
Explain how in the world an OTF's deployment method makes it solely for "hurting people"? What about knives with the wave feature? Assuming those are scary and deadly too. I worked on an antenna team where we were all bought benchmade OTFs because of how convenient they were to use, we weren't hurting or killing anyone hundreds of feet up in the air-only putting them to work when we needed them in one handed situations. I carry my microtech every now and then as well for cable work....
An OTF deployment is simply that... a deployment method. Just as a flipper or a Balisong... it's just a different way of revealing the blade. No more or less dangerous looking than any other style.
I can see how someone could come to the conclusion that an otf is only meant for stabbing/killing, when they aren't reliable, high maintenance, and have a wobbly blade. And are generally thought of as a toy. But they still have a sharp edge, and a sharp edge, no matter how it's deployed is useful beyond killing. Besides all of the disadvantages that most OTFs have, they still have the advantage of being one hand opening, one hand closing. All of the disadvantages inherent in other OTF's have finally been solved with ours. Also, I'd like to point out, a fixed blade is the best killing knife. Automatics we're not designed for killing, I've read a lot of patents, and never have they mentioned killing. Instead they talk about ease of use. When It comes to killing, simple and reliable is best, and a typical OTF is not reliable, and a terrible choice for killing. Its unfortunate that Hollywood has given automatic knives a bad name.
"EM AHHH TEE..."
funny
Very very interesting mechanism. Do they make one that's priced in line with a Combat Troodon (my daily carry knife)?
Also, just as an FYI, you can *own* double edged knives, aka "dirks and daggers" in Texas. What you can't do is carry them in public. I'm still peeved that the legislation was in place last year to get rid of the last vestiges of the idiotic knife laws on the books, but was tabled at the last second. Hopefully it'll get passed in the '17 legislative session.
Terry Faugno I wouldn't doubt that someday there could be a production version that will be more budget friendly. As to Texas, yeah, we can own a dagger blade and not carry, but for me, if I can't or won't carry a particular knife, I won't bother to buy it.
Jim dual edge is ownable in Texas it isn't carriable outside of your house unless to a car you own due to people buying them in person and not online so as long as it's your car and you use it in your car you can carry it but it's not legal as an edc i live near Houston and I own throwing blades that by law are dual blades as long as I'm in my yard I can throw them the only knife you can't absolutely own is a gravity knife that paratroopers use
Luv it good switch 👍
Maybe it's because my ultratech is double edge but it has almost no side to side play and no in play but I can pull the tang out a bit further
Cool knife I want to add this to my collection and plus I have 158 knifes in my collection and also where can I get that knife
Allen Brown I did detail that in the video lol. Direct from Hawk Knives.
It's the best double edge. Burn knives which one would you think vs eachorywr
Great review
I love my deadlock, other offs seem like tinker toys now, i got what I paid for with the deadlock
Still waiting for that mudd review :P
Awesome video though! Will have to get one of these someday.
MUDD review coming soon! I've been ready for a while, but the production of the knives isn't... so no need in stirring people up when they can't order them yet LOL
Makes sense. Whenever I get a new knife I usually just show my wife your video on it and say well he liked it so i had to buy it. Your basically my scapegoat haha
$1,000 to $1,800 is average price range. outstanding product and an incredible knife review. however this knife is exponentially out of my price range. I'll pay 400$ or less all day for good knives but u less something is made of gold I can't spend what I would on a used car for a knife. still an amazing product by an outstanding company and definitely worth collection.
#typeos
get what you pay for, currently going for $1500 usd O.o if I had the money i'd be all about this knife.
Whats up with the asymmetrical blade and HUGE button?
Pretty fucking cool. I've owned Microtech double-action OTF knives in the past, but once the novelty had worn off, I found flippers to be just as fast, and a bit less illegal to carry... though shitty Canadian knife laws are vague enough that individual cops might see a flipper as legal or illegal, depending on their views and personal disposition. But... if OTF autos were fine to carry, I'd still want to own a Microtech double-action; and the Halo single-action, even if it's a bit impractical, is fucking awesome. These Hawk OTF's are amazing. I didn't think the Microtech double-action was a design that could be improved upon, but the Hawks have apparently engineered a better, more solid double-action auto. Nice... if only I could carry one without getting arrested...
Does anyone know the name of that knife he was talking about? The neck knife
Its called Vicious circle
Thank you. In the moment, I couldn't remember that name for the life of me. Gavin made mine with Zirconium onlays and it's pretty badass.
Not a problem :)
$1,000-$1,800 USD What the hell is that price?!?!?!
at what point does a big knife become a small sword?
This dude just fucking roasted the shit out of his wife!