Morality of Murder
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*"Morality is doing what is right, no matter what you are told....*
*Religion is doing what you are told, no matter what is right"*
What is right when nothing matters?
Being alive is a wondrous lucky happenstance, if you can't see that - top yourself immediately.@@randompanda3415
The Hebrew word used for death is to be away from God. The Old Testament is for native Hebrew speakers. Translations will never work on ancient Hebrew used on the scrolls
@@randompanda3415 Human beings matter Those who evoke god for meaning or morality are calling on an absentee landlord who doesn't think his tenants matter.
@ga6589 why do humans matter? The universe begs to differ.
I'm not an emotional type but the part "Dad this might be cheating but can I have one more hug?" To which he replied " I'll give you the last one I got." made my throat go tight.
That got me too. Had to collect myself after that one.
That speech was an emotional roller coaster. You took me on a journey through indignant anger at the lack of death with dignity in so much of the country, to heartbreaking sadness talking about your personal experiences, to laughing at the absurdities you came up with talking about the death penalty. What a ride. Fantastic speech.
agreed my friend.
I was going to comment something similar but your comment is so profound and does so much justice to this amazing speech
Aron speaks the truth here. My mother has dementia, and the worst thing about this disease is that it threatens to replace the memories of who you knew with a shell of that person. I have to continually remind myself of the vibrant, witty, intelligent, caring, energetic, loving and selfless person my mother once was. I fight to retain those memories.
She is “alive”, I suppose, in only the strictest form. I have found that I’ve already mourned the passing of my mother. I miss her dearly, and she’s not even gone. Except she, for all intents and purposes, is.
There is no way I will ever go out like that. Not a chance, and I would never hold it against anyone to pass on in dignity and courage by their own volition if that is their fate. I know I will, and I’m at risk for this disease by genetic disposition.
My mom suffered from medical induced dementia - reworking her meds eased that. Before that after surgery when she came to I realized, she was having trouble formulating words. I told the doctor. She's old, she has to think sometimes, but not like that. During her dementia, she recognized me but not my dad, asking me if I knew the man she was married over 40 years to at that time.
And then she went to the hospital, I was told it would be over soon. I grieved, she lived and when she finally DID die, I hd no more grief left.
My mum died a few weeks ago from age and eventually from the effects of dementia.
It was heartbreaking seeing a once proud strong independent woman being brought down to not having a clue what was going on, why she had to stay in a care home, and constantly asking my sisters and I to kill her.
I had to stop visiting her on my own as my desire to help her pain stop was almost too much to cope with.
I sought mental health support for how I was feeling about helping her pain end.
It was a positive thing when she finally died and one of my sisters was with her and was talking to her about flowers and gardening, mum's favourite hobby. Mum asked what the time was and then was gone.
It's her funeral on Thursday.
As much as I wish mum was still alive and I could talk to her and hug her it's for the best that she died.
I do not want to suffer such a long, degrading illness and end of life and I will do everything possible not to go through that process should the signs become clear of that being a likelihood.
Yep, totally agree every word. How liars for the baby jesus can justify such a death of a loved one is totally beyond me.
Be well friend
I worked in long-term memory care. It's one thing for a family to experience that and quite another to see it on such an industrial scale.
Nursing has to be reminded constantly that the residents are people. They feel more like obnoxious children or broken machines. You don't recognize them as adults no matter how hard you try. Your brain just won't accept that lie.
Family members are always stressed. They can sense the same thing the nurses do, and the guilt is eating them up. The helpless rage within them is palpable.
Lifespans are extended so that more money can be made. It's a business that profits directly from prolonged suffering that ruins more lives than the illnesses ever could. Leadership is thanking nurses for how long residents are living and they feel awful.
The moral thing to do is offer the diagnosis then discuss euthanasia options and final wishes long before the disease takes hold. Everyone knows it. Aside from parasitizing the family for profit , there is no reason to continue living with an incurable illness that erases the mind.
My aunt died that way. I told my dad if he ever receives such a diagnosis to just sell what he doesn't need, tour Europe, and then request euthanasia while over there. I don't need him to try to hang on. Better he leaves on his own terms.
Just visited Lea. Her husband 85 years old died a few months ago. Terminal cancer. But he requested and received eutanisia, within a week.
I visited her a few days ago. Of course she misses her husband with whom she had lived for 58 years. Of course there is pain. But when she talks about her husband, how content he was in those last days. An hour before he died he had a glass of champagne with the people closest to him. Satisfied with a beautiful life. Lea found contentment and acceptance in this beautiful farewell. BTW, without a pastor of any kind.
2024 Belgium.
"Millennia ago, they abandoned their belief in the supernatural. Now you are asking me to sabotage that achievement, to send them back into the dark ages of superstition and ignorance and fear? NO!"
-- Patrick Stewart as Captain. Jean-Luc Picard - Star Trek The Next Generation
Love Star Trek.
And then there are people happy in Babylon 5 religion is still a thing.
@@bladerunner3314 there are still happy, religious people in Star Trek.
Shit, that's a major plot point in DS9.
Some people are happy being religious.
Some people are happy being irreligious.
It is a great evil to force the opposite upon people.
@@joewalsh4713 We're talking about humanity here. And despite the Celestial Temple only being discovered by the Emisary, the Bajorans had the orbs that allowed communication with EXISTING beings.
I think it's way worse what your people do, try to force your religious bullshit on everybody else, no matter what they believer. So, with absolutely NO respect for your need for an imaginary friend: jogg off!
@@bladerunner3314in Babylon 5 religion is appeared to have been genetically a product of the manipulation of certain races. The vorlons wanted obedience so the appeared god like, so the shadows would appear devilish.
I like the Minbari concept- we are the universe trying to understand itself
I wasn’t expecting this to turn so devastating and heartbreaking. I lost it when you told the story about your granddaughter. My sincerest condolences, I am so sorry. ❤😢 it’s tough to stop the tears so I’m going to leave it there. Thanks.
took the words right out of my mouth friend.
I broke down at that part as I remember a child's funeral from my parish in the early 2000s.
A 7yr old boy died of leukemia, he was cheerful to the end . At the service, the small coffin had me in tears. I think of it now as I hear Aron's story of his grandaughter.😢
My condolescences for your grandaughter, your universe is dimmer without her. 😢
When my atheist grandfather passed away at 103yo last year he had a fast and painless passing after a brief illness. Never complained, typical Royal Air Force stiff upper lip guy and wished for “straight to cremation service and a massive piss up party after”. He treated me like a son as he only had 3 daughters and he really loved and cared for me and we did many things, like father/son, had things in common and will never forget his contact and words of advice when I was serving in Afghanistan and Iraq. A fantastic life has not ended, it has been completed and now is at peace, I’m not sad as he was at an advanced age but do miss him. Must admit I shed a tear when you were describing your father’s last few moments like the hug, things like that help with closure and understanding further down the line.
Sorry for your loss. Your grandfather sounds like he was a great guy.
sad, happy, exciteded; theyre all emotions were gonna experience.
thank you for your service, by the way.
hmmm...how do i say? we're all gonna die one day.
watch "Jacob's Ladder"
The part about euthenasia was absolutely devastating. I couldn't agree more with the legalization of it. Passing with dignity should be a basic human right.
It's legal (under conditions) where I live. Last week our country had the news that one of our former prime ministers and his wife were suffering without sight of a cure and decided to 'step out' together. They both received the anaesthetic while holding hands and once they were asleep, were given the killing substance. One doctor administered, two supervised. Before it's allowed, each patient in private has to, sound of mind, explain why they want the euthanisation, and that no one is pressuring them to. They were 93 years old and had been married for 70 years.
Except that in Canada they are telling war vets dealing with PTSD to kill themselves because just killing someone is far cheaper to the state than helping them through it. Just like with a lot of things the on paper idea doesn't seem bad but the in-practice form where humans dictate how things go it falls apart immediately (Like communism, sounds fine on paper but the moment it goes into practice you get genocides, even greater income inequality, and human rights violations that make what the Japanese did to the Chinese during WW2 seem tame).
How is being forced to live against your will not a breach of human rights?
@@vinx.9099 Exactly.
Animals apparently have this right but we don't. It's absurd.
This coming after a few weeks of the Hungarian court dishonestly refusing to allow a referendum on assisted suicide, citing that "the people suffering can already kill themselves without punishment", hit pretty damn hard.
the truth always does. the truth has no requirement to be kind. ultimately, it is usually bitter.
I once read the bible in my youth cover to cover. That's how I became an atheist. It was the most absurd book I ever read in my life.
Exactly. The Bible is basically just a Story Book and should be treated as such
@@EnthusiasticTent-xt8fhSo you believe we live on a pizza planet on pillars with a fishbowl over us? That's wild, my gamer.
@@EnthusiasticTent-xt8fh Oh, do enlighten me then. Isn't that what our cosmic deadbeat dad would want? You made a claim about a lack of ignorance, elucidate for me, please.
@@EnthusiasticTent-xt8fhThen please illuminate us with your superior understanding. Which parts of the bible can we ignore because they are just fanciful metaphor and fiction written by malnutrition addled shepherds? Can it just be all of it?
@@EnthusiasticTent-xt8fh No, wait, nevermind. I can already tell you're most likely just going to schizopost so I'll say in advance, ahem, that's great sweetie, don't forget to take your Olanzapine.
Have fun on the pizza planet. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go see if I can sell my daughter into slavery. I know she won't get as much, roughly half that of her brother, but so long as it isn't to foreigners it should be fine.
Obligatory "that's in the Bible!!!"
"The first ten million years were the worst," said Marvin, "and the second ten million years, they were the worst too. The third ten million years I didn't enjoy at all. After that I went into a bit of a decline."
At least he got to read God's Final Message to His Creation: "We apologise for the inconvenience."
@@kellydalstok8900what bible verse was that …. 🤔 Oh, remember now - the gospel of Douglas Adams. Spot on!
@@kellydalstok8900fucking good one XD
My favorite robot after Bender.
As my mother, at 56, was dying a very painful, prolonged and undignified death, with every breath (literally every single breath, for hours) being a ghastly groan, I had a pretty angry (on my part) exchange with a doctor who wouldn't sedate my mother because there was a chance that her heart would stop and she could die in a few hours, instead of the maximum 4-5 days they said it would normally take. When I yelled that these days would not be life but torture, both for her and the patients she was sharing the room with, the doctor explained to me calmly but firmly, that what I was asking was against the law. My father stayed and I left for home to get some sleep, feeling so helpless, shattered and frustrated for my mom's horrible future that I was screaming inside the car.
I was woken up by the phone. It was my dad. he said that at some point during the night my mom had been moved to a room with a single bed, had fallen asleep, and some time after that her heart had stopped. She had died in her sleep, the way she wanted.
I will be forever grateful to that doctor.
Aron, there are no words to express how much I appeciate you for what you've offered me all these years. This was one of the best talks you've given. All I can say is thank you.
Thankfully, euthanasia is alive and well in the US though it is a well known secret. My mother and my wife's father were both terminally ill. They released my mother from the hospital and allowed here to die in her own bed about four days later. My wife's father was dying from lung cancer. We were told that they could and would, if we wanted, give him an OD dose of morphine which would kill him in about an hour. We all agreed and that was what happened as we watched him take his last breath.
Thank you for mentioning the 10 yr. Old rape victim. That was a crazy time. I was for the family all the way. She should've never...I mean never have gone through a unwanted pregnancy. And I totally agree,her body could not have handled that ordeal.
No matter where you stand on the political spectrum, giving birth should never risk a woman's life, let alone the life of a young girl.
@@heperfectirl9470 this,as far as I'm concerned,is never a political issue. And should never have been in the first place.
@@heperfectirl9470All births risk the life of the mother.
Not that I'm trying to contradict you. Quite the opposite, we should not allow any births at all. The most ethical thing to strive for is human extinction.
@@heperfectirl9470 the only problem with that is that pregnancy is always a risk, which is why you should never be subjected to it unwillingly.
Yes exactly. Yes she probably would have died or endured major injuries if the birth was forced to go ahead. But how has it come to this crazy point?! I mean morally etc, I'm sure I don't have to explain, or would go on and on
The fact that my cat will have a better death than probably everyone who I know, who are all fated to at some point die slow painful deaths, is ridiculous. Being with him as he was put down was the worst things I'd ever had to do but knowing that he didn't suffer makes it better than the alternative would have been.
I've never cared about dying but the idea of a slow death is terrifying, I'd rather die on my feet (either just drop dead, saving someone, defending someone in battle, etc) and quickly, not in a bed struggling to breathe and think and in pain as my body struggles to prevent the inevitable. I've grown up seeing enough people slowly die, one grandparent's body slowly fell apart and was unable able to do anything, a mind trapped in an unmoving body, another slowly lost their mind, their memories, everything, becoming a paranoid, angry and scared frail woman who forgot to eat. Another had cancer three times and the past one ate away his face, the last one died unable to see or move. A childhood friend died from a bra8n tumour, his head was swallow and he lived for a year that way. And my teacher's thought there was something wrong with me, when unlike the rest of my classmates who said they wanted to live till 100, I said I'd be happy to get to 60, before I'm a blind, deaf, cripple who can't do anything but slowly die over 20 years, I'd rather die before all that. My mother will die struggling to breathe and the fact that she won't have a quick way out must terrify her.
I'd rather live the life I have while I can and end it when I can't, not drag it out into a slow and painful end.
When I last saw my grandfather, I would have finished him off if someone could have given me a hypodermic with something humane in it to do so. He died 2 or 3 days later, anyway.
My girlfriend and I are fairly sure that someone gave her mum an quick extra dose of painkillers too, as she died just when I had enough time off work to go up for a few days to give support. Again, she would have died within a few days, anyway.
The mother of a friend of mine seemed to have a peaceful death. She was a hospital matron when she was younger, and said that she didn't have want an intravenous when she couldn't drink anymore. I visited her on a Thursday and gave her a small amount to drink, but on Friday it just wasn't possible for her to swallow liquids.
I went on Saturday, but was busy Sunday and Monday. She was still alive on Tuesday, and died within a few minutes of my finally getting parked and getting up to see her; like she was waiting for someone she knew, before dying.
I know what you mean about most of our pets getting better deaths than humans. It's insane.
Aron thank you, i have a much loved cat, he's about 20 years old, has a little arthritis, lost his sight, and probably more age related illnesses, and its time to think about a last pat and goodbye, well take him to the vet in the next few weeks, he doesnt complain of look depressed, but cats do hide things well, i found your words comforting, and the decision i must make will be a little easier, buit its gonna be hard he'll be the second of my best friends to die in just over a year, my "heart horse" died 11 Jan last year, and i still grieve , but once again thank you
If it's any comfort, it sounds like you have taken great care of your beloved cat and given him a safe, fun and loving life. The decision is hard but the dignity you will bestow on him is priceless. Stay strong, friend.
Lost one of my cats 2 months today. She was a very wild and feral cat who only trusted me and my family when she appeared 10 years ago. After 2 days she brought 5 kittens to us, we were the chosen ones and we still got those 5. She died fighting a fox that was about to attack my chickens. She gave her life to protect my little feathered dinosaurs, goodnight my queen 🐈
I had to let two cats go, both showed they were ready.
It's hard, it was almost 10 years ago and I'm still, again, tearing up thinking about them, remembering them.
I recall a huge argument with the doctor treating my terminally ill and unconscious mother who was in the final stages of dementia.
(Having already being told by a senior consultant a few days earlier that she had days left rather than weeks)
she was treating her for a "Chest infection" after ignoring the DNR when they resuscitated her the previous week.
I Recall asking WTF was going on, and why don't they just switch her off ( the life support she was on) the doctor started to lecture me on morality and how I shouldn't be talking like that in front of my mother. I recall saying "that's not my mother I lost my mother 4 years ago" I ended up along the lines of " Morality? you wouldn't even treat a F*%king dog like this" Fortunately my mother had a massive seizure the next day they switched everything off, withdrew all medication and she died later that evening.
Damn, this had me, a grown man of 56, crying over his granddaughters story. Makes me truly appreciate how lucky i am to have healthy kids and grandkids.
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods and they are unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." -- Marcus Aurelius
When Arons voice cracked, I knew I was in trouble😢
why would you be in trouble over another's painful memories?
@@thehellyousay Empathy
Same, buddy.
@@thehellyousay Basic human empathy you repulsive homunculus
@@thehellyousayit sounds like you're pretending to not understand what they meant. I'm quite sure of that.
holy fuck man
I've needed to cry for like a year.
this did it for like 30 minutes
Wasn't expecting you to make me actually cry during this speech. I had to go hug my dog when you talked about yours.
Incredibly written speech, with fantastic, reasonable points as well. You are one of the most compassionate people I've had the pleasure of knowing, even if it's through a camera.
really good. thanks Aron.
i also realized that cancer is the price we pay for being a highly evolved mamal.
i told my religious work colleague that there are/were literally millions of people that go thru far worse than the fictional jesus.
I guess it's bcoz cell division isn't perfect. Mistakes occur and in a multicellular organism, the chance of mistakes happening as more cell division occurs and over time. I guess.
Aron this is one of your best talks so far your flow is better when your being more playful and free
The thing I regret most in my life was waiting too long to let my dog pass in comfort.
never heard of your granddaughter before. my condolences
Story of your father. That is so real to many people. My wife was working in retirement home as a part of her education. After that experience she immediately signed a DNR. I was like why? "I don't want to be a mindless vegetable in shitty diapers and no-one visiting me for months. And even if they did, I wouldn't know about it. And that would be a burden for them". Well, since you put it like that, okay.
After seeing my mother struggle thru her last humiliating months in hospital I'm definately going out on my own terms when the time comes.
In my youth, I asked a pastor I respected about the death penalty. I voiced my main concern: What if you got the wrong person? He replied, 'But you need it as a deterrence.'
Note that he didn't address my concern.
You can always get the wrong person though regardless of religion.
My mother dies from Alzheimer's last year. I wasn't able to be there, but my father says that, over a year earlier, she had started to forget major life events, and by the time she died she no longer recognized him as anything more than the man who took care of her, and she didn't remember bearing and raising two children.
I'm not sure if it matters to me whether I remember who I am just before I die, but I want people to remember me for who I am when I die.
Jesus man you've got me crying at work with your stories, and it's bringing back memories of family and pets I've lost.
Now I just want a hug.
"Everlasting life means everlasting pain."
- Kei Makino, "Siren" (2003)
Jesus H Bloody Christ Aron!!! I'm at work listening to this, trying not to ball my freaking eyes out.
Such a powerful speech... Love it!
I tried not to as well. Failed miserably, and it's only fuckin Monday.
Ikr I'm about 7 min away from starting work in the break room at work tears running trying my best to hide it.
Me four! 😥
My family refused to call me yesterday when they put Phantom, the cat down. He was old, had heart and kidney failure from the medications treating lymphoma. I'm upset I didn't get to say my goodbye, I was less than a mile away waiting for the call. Losing anyone close sucks.
Heaven has always sounded terrible, especially when you would be with any of the people on earth that told you about heaven.
The idea of just ending really reminds me of The Good Place series finale
Damn Aron I was not expecting the life-passing stories! That blindsided me a little - it was my Uncle's funeral on the 7th (Feb) after he succumbed after an 18 month battle with brain cancer, so it is very much still raw. Loss is a hard thing to deal with especially when it is traumatic. Sending love to you and yours for your losses, I can tell from your voice the pain is still there. Thank you for sharing. xx
It is written that there was a man who used his supernatural power to fight evil, and then was killed by evil.
Later, he rose from the dead.
It is written that many people saw these events and they would not lie about it.
The man's name was Harry Potter.
What a great speech. You are a good man, and how we need people like you. Thank you.
George Carlin would be rolling on the floor with laughter. You killed it.
I asked my dad if he believed the Bible was the word of God. He said yes and then I asked if he ever read it cover to cover and he said no. I find it odd that people who are college educated and believe they have the word of God never take the time to read it.
Because they don't actually care what it says. They'll just make up what they want to believe anyway, just like every Christian that has read the Bible. Nobody actually follows what the Bible says; they just pick the parts they like and ignore the rest.
That's what brainwashing very young children and persisting with that superstitious premise into adulthood, does to people. It makes them mentally ill!
You can technically say the same about science....I believe in scientific facts but I never read a science book...
@@johnbowers7044 If you've gone through high school, you would've had to not only read a science textbook, but probably done some lab experiments that empirically demonstrate to yourself that the principles described in those books are accurate.
I have read biology, microbiology and Chemistry textbooks oh and physics and biochemistry but I now am back to a practicing Catholic more for spiritual or emotional reasons rather than intellectual ones.
1:24 So I read Ezekiel 18 and found that not only repeats that sinful souls shall die in verse 20 but also the father who births a sinful son in verse 13 but not the son with a sinful father in 17. The funniest part is later the chapter also addresses the unfairness of the situation by basically saying "It's fair because I said so."
The most moving speech I've heard you give. Wow... That was awesome, from funny points to empathetic, grieving reality. ... And ripping the religious bullshit apart
Ohhh joy! Another talk and this time it’s on a cruise ship, nice. And “kissing the captain” before starting gave me a good laugh. 😂
21:30 That part about your dad is mind blowing. May he rest in peace, and condolences to you. This is a very beautiful story but that must have been pretty tough.
I saw my mom slowly die of cancer over a period of a few months. It hasn't been pretty. Her death came as a relief, she was by far no longer herself, and had been so for a while already.
Yet all the horrible stuff I saw happening to my mom at the hospital as her health degraded didn't cast the slightest shadow on how I remember her. Damn I miss her :(
"The thing that uniquely defines religion, the thing that sets it apart from every other ideology or hypothesis or social network, is the belief in unverifiable supernatural entities. Of course it has other elements; community, charity, philosophy, inspiration for art, etc. But those things exist in the secular world, too. They're not specific to religion. ... Religion is ultimately dependent on belief in invisible beings, inaudible voices, intangible entities, undetectable forces, and events and judgments that happen after we die.
And it is therefore uniquely armored against criticism, questioning, and self-correction. It is uniquely armored against anything that might stop it from spinning into extreme absurdity, extreme denial of reality ... and extreme, grotesque immorality." -- Greta Christina / AlterNet, November 12, 2009
Dude, I did not expect the crushing feels of that middle section. I knew from one of your earlier speeches the rough outline of what happened to your granddaughter, but this was brutal. It's good that you talk about it, though. It must be incredibly hard, but it must be done to get things to change. Kudos.
I love it when you guys do public speaking like this. I could listen all day.
I watched that twilight zone years ago after hearing you mention Anthony Freemont. I had to Google the name and find the episode, but it was definitely terrifying to imagine
This was easily one of your best presentations ever.
TH-cam opened this for me with an ad for a prayer-app. What a surreal experience.
Bloody hell Aron. Here I was laughing and chuckling and then you come on with the huge feels. I cried too. Much love.
Good to 'sea' you do these kind of presentation again. It's informative and funny at the same time. You are one of my personal heroes.
Just saw the story of your father. That was truly moving, thank you for sharing this very personal tale of your dad.
And now I'm listening about your daughter. I lost my brother to cancer and this is choking me up.
I remember the whole Teri Shaivo mess about 20 years ago. She’s been living by machine for a long time. When the doctors said that there was zero chance of her ever recovering. He decided to pull the plug. The ironically called “operation rescue” had gone to courts and even George W Bush got involved. A religious snowflake got permission to see her alone. She came out and said “we talked and she said she wants to live. A doctor who was monitoring her said “No, not possible”.
Finally the SCOTUS came in and said he could let her die. He was harassed and threatened.
I think that euthanasia or assisted suicide for people that have zero chance and life off of machines, should be allowed.
Only if they agree of course. If someone can still enjoy life on machined then they should be allowed to live.
I read her autopsy some years ago. It said that her brain was shrunk, and was largely necrotic. There was absolutely no coming back from that, and these “pro-life” zealots wanted to keep plugged in someone who was a shell just barely existing. For all intents and purposes, she died way back in 1990.
I'm not American but ik about that case bcoz of Wikipedia. I read it from start to finish. I think the religious snowflakes and the disability rights movement who got involved were absolutely unhinged idiots.
To correct you a lil bit and for the sake of anyone who wants to look it up, it's actually Terri Schiavo.
Looks like that ship was rocking a bit, I’m a Navy vet, been out for over 30 years now. I would love to go to sea again some day.
Thanks for what you do man, it’s appreciated. Have a great day and Hail Satan.
Satan isn't real, either!
No shit huh?
I've heard a ton of your talks since running across your systematic dismantling of Noah's flood a couple-three years ago. This is the best I've heard. Thank you for walking us through some of your darkest moments. Obviously it was not an easy trip for you to take, but I think you'll bring a lot of folks to a place they need to be.
Thank you for telling such an important story. Wish we could have laws to make human lives better, instead of make more money for very few humans!
Thanks, Aron for sharing your story. It was poignantly emotional. I'm so sorry for your loss!🧡
I definitely agree on legalizing euthanasia!!!
Thanks for being the voice of Reason and Logic!!!!
Big Hugs & Much Love! 🤘🥰
Aron, I really appreciate your fight for science and reason. You are one of my favorite speakers to listen to on those topics. I am so sorry to hear about your granddaughter, that really tug on my heart strings and this shows how even atheists can love.
I am extremely sorry to hear of the death of your granddaughter. I can only imagine the difficulty and despair you and the rest of her family and loved ones have endured through her loss. I was deeply moved and heartbroken listening and my condolences are with you and your family. It must also be difficult for you to share publicly this very personal account, but thank you for allowing us to know about your granddaughter’s life. All my family are healthcare professionals working in areas from neonatology to geriatrics, and although not religiously based, there are a range of opinions amongst them on the legislation of end of life care and medical assistance in dying. I am in agreement with your position that in certain situations the intention to help an individual live becomes harmful, and when all attempts and options are futile, we then have a duty of care to help that individual die without pain, fear, and with their dignity intact.
As my brother told me, "I'll be dead, I won't care."
I have always felt, we should be able to put a human to sleep if we feel it is more humane. How is it putting an animal to sleep is more humane than putting a human to sleep? Thank you Aron for your story, and conveying this message.
Dear Aron,
So many of your videos contain absolute A+ content.
This one may be one of the best videos you've ever presented. Bravo, Sir.
Aron Ra lays it all out in 54 minutes. Excellent presentation.
What a fantastic talk. I wish I had been there in person. This one goes in my ‘Worth repeating’ playlist.
i listened to this at woork whjile driving and christ i was in tears for part of it
"In all of human history, the supernatural has never turned out to be the right answer to anything: Natural explanations of phenomena have replaced supernatural ones thousands upon thousands of times, while supernatural explanations have replaced natural ones exactly never." -- Greta Christina
I think she's the author of that _99 Things That Piss Off the Godless_ book
Two ways to fix immortality;
a) Selective memory wipes so you can have repeat experiences as though for the first time, and
b) The ability to choose to be deleted permanently if you want
Some other solutions:
1) make it impossible for us to become bored or used to any pleasure or sensation (This eliminates the need for your solution A)
Or if even we don't do that, make the universe infinite if it's not already. That way, there's infinite amount of information we can learn about. And boredom would never be a thing.
Prevent mutations, and bring human evolution to a complete halt. Make a vaccine that taps into physics to make the human body more deterministic, with zero room for processes that are biologically random.
@pythondrink Never thought of that one.
@@MarkAhlquist I think I should make it clear that the last of my proposed solutions is intended to eliminate aging since aging while being immortal is just fucking depressing.
@pythondrink I guess I assumed there would be no aging. Like the elves in middle earth. You can still get run over by a bus and die, but if you live a boring life you could go for 1000s of years.
But also we could have respawning, and you get to redesign all aspects of your appearance whenever you want.
That would be sweet, but only if you could opt out eventually, and optionally remove memories and store them in the cloud.
Don't worry bruh I got it all figured out.
Incredibly moving. Thank you for this.
What a captivating presentation! Thanks for sharing.
When I pointed out to a "Ken Ham" type of theist that he was relying on logical fallacies, he responded by saying that logical fallacies are o.k. when they are used to justify belief in his god.
Logical fallacies, scientific illiteracy, science denial, virtue signaling, and intellectually insulting sophistry demonstrates that a position is not based on reason and evidence, but only on politics.
*"The Truth has nothing to fear from inquiry." -- Matt Dillahunty*
*"As long as people believe in absurdities, people will commit atrocities." -- Voltaire*
Your story hit hard. I am from the Netherlands, where euthanasia is legal. I have seen how euthanasia is portrait in America. But two years ago I went trough the process with my mother. She decided that her live, being paralyzed was enough. At first it was a difficult process, but with the guidance of the doctors over a 6 months period it was a very valuable process. Her dead was something I wish every body could experience. It was with so much dignity, in the warmth and company of the family and with a nice glass of her beloved wine she said goodby to this world and died fulfilled with happy memories. I am so sorry to hear that in the land of freedom you have to suffer the lack of choice.
Freedoms rapidly dwindling.
Were you searched for cutlasses, blunderbusses, doubloons, parrots and such? Thanks for the work!!
He did manage to sneak a peg leg aboard.
I was refused permission to board the ship; apparently I kissed the captain once too many times!
Wow! Didnt expect that. Thank You. You keep making points I dont hear other people making that need to be in the mix. Respect.
The moments we spend together are as immutable as the love we share. Somewhere, somewhen, we are together forever.
Fuck me if I wasn’t in tears at the beginning of this
Incredibly cogent and consise points u made. This is a masterful message u developed. U are a true Gandolph of atheism. This world is truly fortunate to have u to help lead the way to reason. U lead we follow 🤘👹🤘
I think there was an old suicide law in New York , punishible by the death penality.
That was introduced so that they could murder anyone who might have helped someone who wanted to die.
Damn Aron... you made me cry.
The part where he talks about his dad and granddaughter, deeply moving. Really does make one think, and I think that was the point. Thank you Aron
“Wouldn’t it be funny if attempting suicide was a capital crime?”
*Konrad Curze has entered the chat*
My goodness.....😢 I'm sorry to hear about your loss. I lost a grandson years ago. The heart never forgets. ❤
That was really moving. Thank you Aron for being so candid
I watched this last night and had to watch it again today. Simultaneously heart-wrenching, terrifying, informative and even funny. This is now the most underrated presentation I have ever seen 😢
A being who can only feel pain by choice has no right scowling at the lack of sincere adoration from those who “only” want to avoid feeling it for eternity.
Thank you for showing us your vulnerable side, my guy. Losing your mom sucks. I miss mine every god damned day. All in all like so many people have said, that speech was fantastic. I watched it during my lunch break and I was glued to the screen.
The most depressing thing about the bible is the hold this awful book still has over humanity.
What I find even more depressing still is the cruel, total hold these believers all seem to desperately want ('need'?) over those of us who have grown up and given up invisible friends.
Also that other book the Koran 🧐
Please keep going Aron, you're great. I can tell that you're a George Carlin fan because you use some of his philosophy in your talks. He made sense.
I always laugh in the face of those who say "we dont read or follow the old testament" i just reply with "religion aint chex mix, you cant just pick out the good bits and leave the bad..... Otherwise every religion is correct simply cuz we believe its true when there is no proof for it being true"
I agree, but I do see religion as chex mix. Virtually every religious person accepts the religions they're born into without question - likely giving more thought to their hair style. They will take however much of their religion they've actually been taught, based on the agenda of those doing the teaching, and distill THAT down to whatever they remember of that and how they interpret it personally. From what remains, they choose the parts that suit them and their lifestyle, and reject the rest. They ALL cherry-pick - that's why I have no more patience for "liberal" Christians than for evangelicals. The word "god" has no meaning - it means whatever a believer says it means to THEM, and nothing more.
@@ObservantHistorian I actually have less respect for liberal Christians than conservative Christians in a sense. That's bcoz liberal Christians know damn they're cherry picking. They're not as oblivious as conservative Christians yet they choose to remain in the faith. That's insane to me. And they essentially provide to extremists by what they're doing.
Just when I start to think I'm alone in my ways of thinking, you reappear in my recommendations to remind me that I'm not. Thanks.
My heart bleeds for you Aron, I'm sorry for your losses.
This was hart breaking AronRa ! This must of been hard for you . Big hugs to you big man x.
I figured out the bible was complete nonsense when I was 11. Before that I just thought it was mostly nonsense.
But, when I found out the even the Old Testament was written in a time where anyone with a decent education already knew the world was round, and yet the Old, New and even the Quran writers didnt know that, I instantly realised the bible was little better than Aesops fables, and no where near as well written.
20:00 That was fucking beautiful man. I'm in tears! Thank you for sharing that.
Oh man, this was an excellent deconstruction of religion, where nothing makes sense. Love it!
Nothing matters
@@johnbowers7044 That would hold true if there actually was a god who fit the religious description. If the god of Christianity were real, you could become a massive spree killer who kills "For the Lord" who simply repents your sins just before you die and still get into Heaven. There are serial killers like Jeffery Dahmer, the Son of Sam, and members of the Manson Family in Heaven based on that alone.
Your victims should also be grateful to you in that situation; because you murdered them, they get to go to Heaven early and be in a "perfect paradise" for all of eternity, whereas if they got to live their full lives, they may have blasphemed or something and been forced into Hell because they were still alive long enough to do that.
TLDR; if Christianity is true, murder, despite being considered "wrong" would be a favor to others that you could be forgiven for.
Aron, you have made me think, made me laugh, made me angry and now you have made me cry. To me this is one of your most impactful video. I hope to meet you one day and thank you in person. Much love my heathen brother.
My grandmother died semi-recently. She had been put through hell in her final years, and the rest of the family was completely unaware. The nursing home we trusted to take care of her left her to rot on her bed most days. They didn’t help her use the restroom. They didn’t help her bathe. They let her lay there for so long she developed blisters from the prolonged pressure she put on her back.
She died confused, not even knowing her own name due to dementia. She was in constant pain. And she knew, before losing herself, that this would happen. She was very vocal about wanting to end her life before the dementia had progressed to that point. If it were possible to have fulfilled that wish, she wouldn’t have suffered. I wouldn’t remember her because of the face I saw on her death bed, but as the friendly granny who made cookies every Christmas and brought the entire family together. Now, my memory of her is ruined and she had to suffer because of this bullshit.
I emphasize greatly with you, Aron. The only thing I hope for is that if I develop dementia, I hope the option is open to me for my family to remember me by who I was and not what I turn into.
Aron at his best! Bravo!
One of your most powerful speeches yet. It's not often that I'm laughing while wiping a tear of genuine sadness from my eye. Well done!
First time you ever made me cry brother
Aron, thank you for sharing. The tone here is a little different than normal and I appreciated it.