2 ALARM Fatal STRUCTURE FIRE Keyport, New Jersey 12/30/21
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- MC - Keyport - 65 Fulton St.- 2ND Alarm
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Around 12:10 AM County got a call for a reported fire with possible entrapment. On the arrival of the Chief, he noticed heavy fire in Div 1 & 2 of the fire building. Keyport Matawan Aberdeen Holmdel & Union Beach Rit to respond to the box alarm assignment. The first ladder 91 in front of the building was having water issues during the start of the fire. It was upgraded to a 2 ND Alarm and evac tones were put out due to probable collapse. Tinton Falls RIT was also dispatched to this fire. They had heavy fire conditions for most of the second floor. Finally, the building suffered a stairwell collapse and C side collapse. All members were accounted for and safe. About an hour of operating time to knock this stubborn fire. It also now confirmed this was a fatal fire with the two occupants inside. Prayers to the family and everyone involved. The cause of this fire is still yet unknown.
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Textbook wood frame balloon construction 2 story fire. Tragic loss of life, but wisely or luckily they didn’t have crew’s interior. These types of fires have been deadly to fire fighters for decades when they don’t realize the fire is going up through the walls. When the fire gets to the attic/roof (like the beginning of the video shows) interior crews can get disoriented when they have heavy fire overhead very quickly. Great video.
Was listening last night. There were interior crews. Went in through the Charlie side. Staircase was completely gone. Part of the building collapsed.
@@Nozlnut133 Yeah, there were two separate evacuations when I was listening.
AND the potential that your working above a working basement fire while you're working your way up to the attic. Been in many of these type of houses. Very prevalent in farm country where I started out in the fire service
So very heartbreaking.. I read it was a senior couple who died in this fire .. My deepest condolences to there family 😢
Suckers not givin’ up!!! Hearing someone say “That’s my parents house” broke my heart…. CONDOLENCES 😟😟
This dwelling looks like it was in a extremely difficult place to effectively fight this huge fire. With the power lines right there, it makes the situation very dangerous, with water and electricity. Very very sad that a elderly couple did not make it out. My prayers for the family and safety of all the fire fighters. These brave firefighters drop everything in their personal lives to rescue and fight fires for strangers. Thank them next time!!!!
My condolences to those who lost loved ones in this fire. This is agood video, boyo, but there were times when I was thinking Thanks, Captain Obvious!
So sad this was a fatal fire !! It's new years Eve and I need to recognize you for the flood you went into with no name guy and saved people!! Been a fan of you ever since !! Thanks man ✌️👍👍
Prayers for the families of those involved. Prayers also for the firemen..this will be a tough one for them with the loss of life.
So very sorry for the loss of life.
Thank you to all the firefighters that put their lives on the line to fight this fire.
This was a truly shi&$y fire to fight. Heavy involvement, power lines everywhere, very close exposures, little room to work interior, collapses, entrapment, fatalities... end result is you have a bunch of crew standing around, wanting *badly* to do something but unable to because of the wretched conditions present. At least there aren't a bunch of armchair firefighters throwing peanuts from the peanut gallery about how THEY would have fought this fire. This is the sort of fire that sticks with crews for a very, very long time.
With all does firefighters standing around.where are the master streams. The is no collapse zone. Great training video
Prayers to the family of this elderly couple who lost their lives in this fire. May they RIP. I pray our Lord will give the family the strength needed to deal with this. God Bless.
I feel so bad for this family, I was teary-eyed watching this video.. God Bless Them and May They Rest In Peace!!!
These seaside town houses can be very old, often built of cheaper material choices of that time, and originally designed and constructed strictly for summer use... HVAC and year-round habitation features would have been installed or upgraded later in many cases... So, when fire gets a foothold, these structures can pose quite a unique set of problems... My condolences to the family...
That's a lot of fire fighters! Looks like the Firemans Convention.
all crowed around 1 area yet no one with a hose line putting water in the second story and when they do it knocks it down then they stop and it gets going again
Lord,
Two beautiful souls lost their lives in this home. Give them a beautiful place in heaven. Let the families find peace knowing that their loved ones are safe in your arms. Give them peace that is above all understanding.
Thank you Lord. In your Holy Name Amen.
My condolences to you all. 💐💐💐💐
I don't know what it is about New Jersey, but they've got power lines EVERYWHERE. I've never seen so many lines in my life
Old communities equal old power grids. Very costly to upgrade and bury.
Its always easy to tell who doesnt have fire fighting experience in the comments section of these videos. Some of you keyboard warriors should be asking questions instead of making negative comments like you know what you are talking about.
If because of power lines they couldn’t put a tower in front of the house, why not a pumper with a deck gun? Big fire demands big water. The videographer’s comments once again shows he has an immense grasp on the obvious. With the sky high taxes these folks pay you’d expect they’d get better fire protection.
Keyport is an all-volunteer department.
@@jerryhuesing9627 And your point is? A strong and responsible work ethic doesn't come with a paycheck.
@@JB91710 lots of different situations going on, there was a crew in there for a good part of this video. Cant steam them
@@allanevans6855 A crew should not go inside for any reason until all Visible Burning Material is extinguished through the doors and windows. Then they go inside leading with a charged line. Common Sense and Logic.
@@JB91710 you’re a special kinda special. You fight fire from the inside out. The only time you do a surround and drown is when the structure, or EMENSE amount of fire does not permit you to.
So sad for the family. I looked on google maps and it was a nice appearing housee when photographed in 2018. I have never forgotten a fire near the elementary school I attended. When I was in 4th grade, there was a fire - the father and two kids got out, but the mother and two other kids did not. I have never forgotten the pictures in the news paper. The father was a high school math teacher and 4 years later, I was in his class. The house was repaired and I'm sure has been owned by multiple families since.
Mighta been hoarder conditions inside that house the way it wouldn’t stop burning.
On the outside walls the frame studs goe from foundation to attic. Called balloon frame. A good open space between each stud. The wood used for that type of building was ruff and dry. It also is better wood than today's wood by burning slow. Today's wood is terrible. Over decades the dust ,lint, and other fine particles get pulled up into that space. When there is a fire it's like many rocket stoves. These house were built early 1900 hundreds and quickly. Usually filling a large area. It looks like no insulation in walls allowing fire to spread quick. This is how our great country expanded allowing families to buy homes.
They were fire traps those balloon frames
@@pauljames5914 that didn't matter to the builders. I agree about fire traps. These were usually one after another and quickly. When you see 1 you should notice others on str. The builders and land owners didn't care they wanted money. The same thing with three deckers side by side. Money was the only important thing. Cities allowed them for tax income. I don't like balloon frame houses and worked in front of many that could of killed me
I thought firemen are supposed to use hoses? LOTS of Guys standing around in the front with ONE small hose.. no blitz fire, no multiple lines.. brutal
Keyboard command post activated Working Fire with reported people Trapped They did their best and them firefighters you see standing around Would you want to be in there with that much fire neither would I My condolences to the victims family
@@peterarvanitis6497 You have no clue about fighting fires, stop your bullshit!!
Lines, not hoses
Was there a water problem, only saw one hose being used at a time ?
keeps saying they have a knock on the fire then in next frame the house is almost fully involved they don't have a knock on it when fore is showing through the roof and you can see fire on the interior
With all the wires it seems impossible to bring in a ladder truck. OMG how tragic.
They were having trouble getting ladder trucks. One station couldn't get theirs to start and sent an engine instead.
@@Gitemstevedave Keyport had a ladder on scene being used as an engine.
By the way great video and updating of operations!
Could someone explain why between minute 10 and minute 17 no water was applied to the fire?
Water was being applied to the back of the house as well as the front of the house, I was there at all times the house was being watered
Fighting Fire's in Beach Towns are difficult at best.
All involved are in my 🙏🙏
This type of structure fire is a FF nightmare.
Great filming & description as to what was happening.
The damn power-lines prohibited use of the tower ladders.
You hardly ever Need those ladders at residential fires.
God that looks like a tough fire to fight. Wires everywhere, close to other houses, people trapped, wow. Not easy.
There was not a firefighter there who would not have gone inside to save a life if it had not been so far gone, but there are limits on what a human being can do in a fire. There is no sense risking more lives in a fire like this, just a sad, sad thing to witness. It's calls like this that cause PTSD in later years, trust me....
Here's a thought, put water on the fire!
Sorry for the loss, But big fire need big water. 2 nd 1/2 inch lines instead of 1and 3/4. Retired fireman 40years.
Sorry for the loss of life and to the love ones. But Agreed! They should be flooding the hell out of that place with 2 1/2 big guns and 2 1/2 hand lines. 50 FF s on scene and four 1 3/4 lines run? WTF. Go through the comments many truths written there.
@@kmslfd also doesn;t help when all the apparatus are at least two houses away from the fire building.
@@zzthumper72 apparatus placement doesn’t make much difference. There are plenty of departments (mine included) where it’s necessary to make a hand stretch for hundreds of feet because the apparatus simply will not fit down the street.
@@kmslfd Surgically applying the water is much more important than the volume. Unfortunately, it takes the ability to Think and care rather than Squirt, to do that.
@@ritirons2726 And when the street CAN fit an engine, you place it close to the fire scene, correct? So you can use it's master stream on heavy fire. Or if you park farther away, you have a blitz or a 2 1/2". Why would you make life harder than it has to be?
Terrible tragedy. I looked at the house on google maps and it was a nice looking, well kept home. So sorry for the family.
I also looked at it on google and house value. it is out of my price range
@@yogib37 Most houses in that state are. Along with the taxes.
oh man that stinks. I heard the alarms go off all at once.
I wonder so often why ordinances allow for houses to be built so close together.
Most of the houses in that area were built in the late 1800’s early 1900’s
@@robbiehills6174 Fire was still a danger in the late 1800s and early 1900s……even 100 years ago, wood frame houses should have never been allowed to be constructed so closely.
This house was probably built in the 50s when building codes and ordinances were very weak.
@@aportman58 that house is much older than that. Probably 1910 or so.
Prayers to the family.
Really good video
It makes no sense to wear that SCBA on your back an not have the mask on when you're directly in the smoke. There's NOTHING you can do to save any lives or that building. Pull back and put some master streams on it.
How about using some water on the structure.
Prayers for everyone involved 🙏🙏🙏
Why aren’t they keeping water on this fire ??
Always the same question.
Oh,look,there's two hoses at the front; WHAT HAPPENED?
That street is just wide enough for one engine at a time let alone to park them
8:00: All those power cables dangling in mid - air...really make it hard to put water on the fire! Even 110V hurt when you accidentally hit the cables with your line, as fireman! And these lines leave no space for a tower ladder. Anyway, as the fire building looks like a total loss, the two adjacent buildings have been saved - success!
A very poorly managed response to that fire. Did they every actually get the fire put out?
Report to the keyboard command post for a face to face with the other keyboard commander
@@peterarvanitis6497 It must be depressing not being able to evaluate the performance of window breakers and water squirters that forces you to make fun of people who can.
Non assigned firemen need to back up from building
Very sad indeed! This reminds me of the fact that our house has a wooden staircase which is the only way out from the 1st and 2nd floors (1930s vintage building!). I am already thinking of getting a 10kg fire extinguisher in case of a worst case! My condolences to the family of the deceased! All the best!
I wouldn’t think too long about it before you know it,you can forget. For you and your family’s safty and piece of mind. I have about 10 of them all around the house.
@@mnoble2288 Exactly! I'll see what I can find. All the best!
Best to just get out and let the fire dept do the work. Too many people die in fires because they think they can handle it. You can do more damage with a fire extinguisher if you don't know how to handle it.
@@tmilesffl A fire extinguisher (25lb, the kind I meant a year ago) can work at the very beginning of a fire, e.g. to put out an overheated frying pot on the stove, which often is a source of a house fire. Or an 110V - 220V transformer that is failing. If the fire has spread to the room itself, it's too late. In this case, it's either 911 or 112, depending on your country. Last but not least, it's not too hard to handle a fire extinguisher, an instruction is always printed (three symbols) on the outside of the container. All the best!
Why are so many firemen just standing around? This seems to be the theme for firefighters in New Jersey. Maybe more training is needed. Definitely more water! No prevention on exposures! Paid or volunteer firemen, fighting a fire should be the same.
It's sad that you are this ignorant
Do they not have any aerial apparatus to operate?
May they rest in peace...
The address is 65 Fulton st fix that up
There is a ladder truck right there, why are they not using it?? Too bad the residents have to rely on such a poor fire and rescue dept.
Ladders and Powerlines don’t mix looks like a tight block
It is time for YOU to join the volunteer fires squad. Taxes Schmaxes... It take Volunteers!
@@eliasthienpont6330 Nah it’s keyboard commander no time to volunteer just comment
@@peterarvanitis6497 wow you're on fire tonight!! lol....I've read a lot of your comments, agree with them, and am sitting here laughing while I read them!!
@@canadagoose1480 have family and friends that are both career and volunteer and I appreciate the work they do I have witnessed 3 Fatal fire 2 in Jersey City ( 2 Kids playing with lighter home alone & A older gentleman that was killed by a fire while smoking in bed Both handled by the FDJC they went in and only had 1 line With the gentleman but the other fire was Tuff very Smokey The last fatal fire I saw was in fort lee Nj were a bedridden woman was killed during a working fire she was on oxygen so that was a factor I witnessed one of the greatest rescue attempts I have ever seen Breaching a side wall of the house but the fire was too heavy and interior command ordered a Evac of the house
Way too many firefighters standing around!
WTF 1 3/4 inch lines? NOT! . With at least 30 then 45 FF.s standing there and 4 Firefighters working with small lines? BULLSHIT!! Where are the 2 1/2s ? deck guns? blitz guns? Men on big guns drowning that fire? Never saw anything so bad as this dance! Tragic loss of life, my condolences to the family.
Where is the intelligent and effective water placement with those 1-3/4" lines? That is what was needed, not volume.
Any fog nozzle is worthless on very hot deep seated ventilated fires. Fog stream will vaporize and vent before it reaches the seat of the fire. Manned blitz lines/remote master streams/deck guns with stacked tips will work since the pressure and volume of the stream will not vaporize before it gets to the seat of the fire. As mentioned before big fire means big water 1 3/4” hand lines is not big water. Balloon construction fires are very nasty and deadly if not identified. If you can’t get the fire knocked before it gets in the walls it gets bad quickly as the video clearly shows. Thoughts and prayers for the loss.
@@bentley4446 If the cone of water is tight enough to penetrate the energy of the fire or wind, it will cover more material and eliminate that energy. That's Why it is adjustable.
Typical low-class, grandstanding comment, generated by a needy, juvenile-like attention-seeking TH-cam clown in the face of tragedy.
@@tomsullivan3336 You described yourself perfectly.
If a house is burning in the US, it is completely destroyed normally and here in Europe, most houses are build out of stone, means they can be sanitized later, but I don´t know, what is more expensive, to build a new house out of wood or to renovate a burned house made of stone...
@we73
In the US ~80% of residential structure fires are contained to the room of origin
Of the remaining number, ~80% the fire is contained to one adjacent space
But thanks for confirming your incredible ignorance
@@virgilhilts3924 Thanks for your useless comment!
@@we73
Awwww facts hurt your feels 😆😅😂🤣
@@virgilhilts3924 Now look at your last sentence of your first answer you gave me. If that's your way of talking, then it's up to you! But it is not mine...
@@we73
Facts reeeeeeaaaaly hurt your feels 😆😅😂🤣
prayers to the family
Good job. Thank you
What caused this blaze that it got so bad so quick? Fully involved on arrival. Dry Christmas tree maybe? They didn't get a handle on it until late in the video.
I feel bad for the fire fighters who have to go inside to recover the bodies.
Why we're they trying to get in the door the front window was gone Should of just put water in the opening an not worried about getting in the door flames were way to much to go in
I’m sorry, seems to be a lot of standing around and nobody making a push to attack this fire aggressively. Where is the exposure protection?
At the start of the video. On the bravo side.
@@bobvidoni5898 1 3/4 inch. With at least 45 FF standing there and 4 working with small lines? BULLSHIT!! Where are the 2 1/2s ? deck guns? blitz guns? Men on big guns drowning that fire? never saw anything so bad as this dance!
That should be raised from a 2 alarm 🔥 to a 4 or 5 alarm 🔥
100 FFs standing around while only a handful of other ffs working, sad it takes 5-6 guys to hold one hose. Don't know what is with NJFD all the fires I see out here on You Tube seems like they just let the houses burn down
I see you are still bitter that you've been rejected by every FD you applied to 🤣
What was in that house?fire never would go out.
Am I mistaking..but why aren't they trying to put it out..wth..why do they wait so long..🤬why don't they keep putting water on it..I mean that house is a lost...but worried about the house next door catching..smh
WTH are you babbling about?
There were literally five lines on the fire
So heartbreaking prayers for the family
This video was uploaded in the hopes of training and life saving and spreading fire prevention.
The sounds of my family screaming in the background shouldn’t be recorderd. You want to record training videos? Show it to firefighters that are learning not 500,000 people on youtube. This is horrific.
Even so, it didn’t need to be posted during a pending investigation. And if it needed to be used for training it could be done in private. Etiquette and compassion are also important lessons for firemen.
Recording from the public domain of the street is not a crime. JSFR worked within the limits of law enforcement at this scene. There are many videos of this fire circulating. The videos of the coroner are more disturbing.
@@briannaboyce8658 yes, that audio should've been edited but know that I prayed for your family and I'm sure many others did as well. This was horrific and my sincere condolences to you and family.
@@nicolette1030 most fire photographers will not film coroner operations, like the majestirium for example.
I also thought that the firefighters did an awesome job. They risk their lives everyday for all of us. Please, have some respect?!
Do you know the ages of the people that died in this fire so so sad
6:10 no criticism and sincere question from fire service member…why would we ever put a firefighter on ladder if defensive? I think we have hoses and nozzle combinations that can blast out windows while we, 😜 put out the fire without putting some 40 year old volunteer firefighter on ladder for zero godly purpose
Also, why is size-up important with 3 side drive- pass with best first visual…but zero protocol for bending or protecting ground stakes around structure fires??? 5 gallon buckets with modified lid tucked into base of standard 5 gallon pale would cost $10 per stake and definitely difference between a broken leg fall or a broken dead fall.
Where's all the pretty tower trucks they have in the parades
Definitely needed 2 .5 immediately and blitz fire setupin the front of the house and rear first due should have came in from the other side of the street and laid out from the plug
They didn't have room for them because of the size of the road and wires
You put the tower in the middle of the street, I'm sure there isn't any wires.
@@billmahnken915 there's wires that go across the road from one side to the other you can see it in several shots and they have to be able to move the ladder portion to aim which they can't do
No smoke / fire detectors ?
I guess they can't go through the front door and also continue to put water on the fire??? Sorry excuse for a Fire Dept.
Imminent collapse doofus they had to pull crews out
You can go in there if you want, but no guarantee to leave. That fire was too dangerous for an interior attack due to the frame of the house and the immediate danger of collapse. There was a collapse on the Charlie side of the building but we can’t see that side in the video
Coming from a man who's profile is sitting in a recliner. You're comment is a poor excuse. You don't put your people in imininate danger for a structure that was lost upon arrival. Im sure this so called sorry excuse for a FD can use the fire ground expertise of a man like you. Guess you're into killing ffs. You go through that front door Mr Hero.
Someone asked why the F/F are not immediately pouring water on residential fires. I guess it’s not common knowledge to the public that F/F’s do a search for occupancy PRIOR to charging those lines and dispersing water, otherwise if there are any survivors they’d die from smoke and vapor inhalation. I mentioned it takes a special kind of individual to walk into an involved building! God bless F/F!
please research before commenting
First of all, I love this kid's channel. He's got some great videos and one thing about him is, he explains what's happening. I love his commentary. Aside from that, this fire is horrible. An elderly couple didn't make it. I feel so bad for the family, friends, and neighbors as well as the firefighters who did everything they could to save the couple. That has got to be hard. We are lucky to have such brave firefighters who risk their lives to save others. That is the true definition of "hero" in my book. RIP to the couple. Prayers for all
Yes , I've been subbed to his channel for some time now , it's definitely one of the best fire video channels on TH-cam.
@@Sonic-sh2vh Agreed
Firemen on ladder had not put their facemask on. A sure no no. Basic firefightning.
It's crazy 🤪 house wrapped in plastic and surrounded by electricity wires der
Pathetic,absolutely.With all the resourses and they can't put it out.
It's absolutely incredible that with all that Visible Burning Material they can't apply the water to stop combustion. It's all in the application boys and girls. You have to THINK about where every drop is going and what it is accomplishing. Oh and, you have to possess the strong work ethic to actually DO the JOB!
Why are they not putting more water on the fire
What are you babbling about?
There were literally five lines on the fire
Power lines. It's in the description.
@@jacquelinelucy8014
What are you talking about?
NJ fire Depts spend the most tax money for apparatus, but have the worst firefighters. It’s not as hard as they say it is ,just get water on it and problem goes away.
thats a silly broad comment you dont know nada about fire fighting or fire behavior and nj has some great depts newark f.d is one of the tops in the nation.
Why are all the firemen standing around, don’t they know to use hoses to put water on the fire 🔥 will put in out !!! I would have 3 master streams on the front, I know from experience, spent 40 years on the fire department.
firemen use lines, not hoses. 40 years you should know that
@@allanevans6855 Houses, lines, house lines, 1 3/4, 2 1/2..... don't try to sound too smart.
@@allanevans6855, 2 1/2 ? We use 3”, what time period are you from, 60’s, 70’s or 80’s ???
Grandparents had a fire really more smoke then flames they wanted to put holes the roof my dad no unless ur going to replace it just break out the windows in the basement( that's were it was) an open the outside entrance it worked he was a fire fighter the chief stop by an told grand father ur son had right etc my gf said he was a fire fighter if he said don't put in my fucking roof then don't put holes my fucking roof grf kicked the chief out of the yard if u walked into first floor u would never have known there was ever a fire just smoke smell it's a ranch no major damage to framing
Very sad....:(
They should have used deck those hand lines no match with the volume of Fire
So sorry nc
wheres the water
I live on this block. They had at least two hoses going in the back for hours. They had at least one or two hoses alternating between the front and back too. There was plenty of water
@@Anarchy1777 It’s Keyboard Commanders that probably don’t even live in Nj that make me sick when I read the comments
I was in red bank this afternoon so I stopped by the scene. No shortage of hydrants at all. There’s a street with access to the Charlie side with a hydrant in the rear. Couple of master streams with stacked tips could have helped, fog nozzles ineffective with a deep seated fire like this. Tough spot to operate a tower ladder on the alpha side, maybe a short wheelbase straight truck or tiller on Charlie. Not a fire you want ANY roof ops with balloon construction. Command kept their crews safe and covered the exposures. Deepest condolences to the family of the couple who perished.
Just plz stay out of there way
Omg this is my home town, where in Keyport is this ?
63 Fulton st
@@H1DD3NxN1NJA Off by one house.
Anyone say collapse zone!
Sorry for the loss of family. I have been involved in many fires like this, not this exact type of structure. But when there is a fatality and the body not recovered it turns into a possible crime scene for investigations. Yes, those of you will scream about more water as the fire will ruin the investigation too. But it doesn’t work that way for criminal reasons.
Total loss. Very sad.
This was definitely a bad fire.
Did they have working smoke detectors?
sorry to hear the lose of life. I hate when the RED Devil wins.
To start off with, the firemen just standing there talking to each other could have a firehose spraying water on the fire and if they was doing this the fire could have been under control much faster.
Watch more the fire videos for some reason they all do that..🤷♂️🤦🏻.
@@user-none1313 I watch plenty of fire videos. Most don't have 15 or so firemen standing around doing nothing right to front of the house on fire. All that they are doing is being in the way of the few firemen that was fighting the fire.
@@geezerakaw.dickson4134 they are staged....some would have been ready to make entry on both floors plus others on overhaul
Different operations crews... rescue, engine companies, truck companies, RIT. With each piece of apparatus comes more firefighters. They also stage some firefighters as relief crews to replace the ones working when their tanks run down or to give them a break from the extreme work they're doing. Each of the crews I mentioned have a specific job and stage until needed, with the hopes of the RIT crew not having to be used. There are reasons for those firefighters standing there, but unless you know how fire ground operations work you'll assume they're just standing around doing nothing.
This was two day ago
Here it is 2021 and they still suk 🙄
This is embarrassing to even watch
Tax dollars down the shtter.
They should have master streams thru the top floors .
Terrible just terrible
These guys didn't habe a clue what they were doing , there was zero coordination at the scene , 50 firefighters on hand and most of them were just standing around with their hands in their pockets . The first big problem is none of them knew how to use the fire nozzle correctly , a full stream shot through a window does not put out a fire ! The nozzles should have been right next to or inside the window on full fog , that would have instantly cooled the room thus putting out the fire , people are completely misguided as to how a fire works , it takes three things n for fire to happen , one is fuel , anything that's burning is the fuel , two you must have air , fire needs oxygen , and three is heat with no heat there is no fire , so something has to be removed so the fire goes out , you can't take away the fuel because it's burning , you can't take away the air because it's all around , the only thing a firefighter can take away is the heat , you do that by cooling the area , water doesn't smother a fire , most people think that's what the water is for , smothering the fire , that is wrong , the water is for cooling and a nozzle.on full fog quickly turns to steam , the steam is still cooler than fire , steam fills the room and the fire is out , if they would have done that.from the very beginning this fire would have been completely out in minutes , by using a direct stream the water created a vacuum behind the stream of water , when that happened instead of cooling the entire room , they only cooled one spot , directly where the water was hitting , and with the vacuum it pulled in more air for the fire to breathe , they actually made the fire conditions worse , not better . The other problem was organization , they had none , each member of a fire crew should know exactly what they need to do immediately on a fire scene , the chief is busy , he can't tell each person what to do every.second of a fire , practice drills are a must for any department . Most municipalities want people trained as EMT's or Paramedics with fire training sort of , this is what happens when they think that way . The first thing that should have happened upon arrival was someone walks the perimeter of the scene , while that's happening a crew is making entry into the building with a charged line in hand and at least three crew members all wearing breathing apparatus and full gear , the fire suits worn by firefighters can handle temperatures up to 1,400° for a short time , with a charged line cooling everywhere they go before they enter , they could have done a complete sweep of the building and possibly rescued the victims , maybe not , but at least they would have tried , I know I would and so would my crew , I have a degree in fire science and over 3,000 hours of fire training , on everything from jet fighters crashing to semis carrying liquid propane on fire , and freight trains with liquid chlorine to farming accidents , I trained for everything . My department pioneered the tanker shuttle system and the portable.water.tank for rural fires , sorry to be so critical , but just maybe a firefighter will read this and learn or be reminded of something and someday it may save lives , even their own . I am now retired , but I remember everything .
"I have a degree in fire science and over 3,000 hours of fire training"
Nobody talks about brave men in their proud simulators.
-Lt. Commander Thomas Dodge
Look at just about ANY fire video and you will see a straight stream, NOT a fog pattern for interior attack. Fog introduces air to a fire and creates too much steam, which will burn through Fire Fighter gear causing severe burns. Case in point, NYFD ONLY uses smooth bore nozzles on all their hoses. Fog patterns are used mainly for exposure protection and brush fires. Straight stream for fire suppression. Have been that way for decades and decades. Not sure where you learned about fires.
@@zzthumper72 straight stream is a US tactic. Here in Europe or esp. Germany fog pattern is used in most cases. Always in to windows or while interior attack. Probies learn early how to use the fog nozzle. Straight streams are used very rare or only with deck guns or masterstreams from buckets. Never at an appartment fire.
anyone who promotes a fog nozzle for anything other than hydraulic venting should probably do some more research
@@zzthumper72 shhh its the FDNY what do they know, only the best Fire Department in the world
Don't see a mask on the ladder guy. Pretty stupid.
I agree!! that was hard to watch...inches from the fire.......smoke and fumes pouring out........NO MASK!
He’ll pay later…
am i missing somthing i see lots of fire on second floor why don't use the hos from the street.....all those fireman standing there lol very slow getting water on the fire !!! in front,,, sorry for loss of life tho
Your reporting was suburb. Job well done 👍🔥
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