Brother Mansur has finally been convinced to join Twitter, inshallah follow him as he answers some of the arguments that have been put forward on his official Twitter account @MansurXAhmed
welcome to twitter, I think you will find this interesting: Jay Smith debate destruction: th-cam.com/video/Wb_bYYHAjAE/w-d-xo.html I think David Wood should be questioned and confronted about the scientific errors as well. Let me know what you think.
Me too, as a Muslim. Especially his manners when discussing not so mannered people. And his way of speaking and his thoughts are so organized, its insane
Ayesha Khan a programmed natural instinct, some will call up Mom Dad in some cultures but God everybody calls upon him when they are in schtuck (shtook) The funny thing with some atheists in fact the overwhelming majority resist because of their ego and not of any reason conclusion. For instance he doesn't know but it can't be God. When you state you don't know why then pretend it is not God, you will need to come up with a reasonable logical, rational explanation before you can dismiss God's existence or intervention, their arguments are often emotional and not rational.
Fatima Achy it does matter, it shows how pathetic and hypocritical ones belief is if they accept no god all their life but when they need god the most they literally believe in him and ask for help. That’s the cowardish pathetic and hypocritical character that comes out. And that’s what you will be judged on if that’s also you to be honest.
Hᴜꜱᴛʟᴇ Lᴏʏ can you prove god never gave any revelation? Please don’t commit the casual fallacy by asking me if I can prove scriptures do come from god cause you made the claim first. Be humble and don’t jump to conclusions that have no logical/ reasonable explanation. However if you were to say god exist even without proof that is way more reasonable and rational as you have all the reasons to believe that. Not the other way around however, you have no reason to say God hasn’t communicated with his creation.
My use of a harmless colloquialism that has become natural to people growing up in a religious environment is not a proof of the actual truth of such a statement. I'm sorry if you think that ended the discussion.
@@mohammedhafizshaik2019 Actually, it's because I've been raised in a world where it's very common to say omg to express surprise or annoyance etc. It wasn't really unwilling - I would have perhaps been more inclined to say 'for fuck's sake' or something akin, but didn't want to swear on tape. It's the same as how I might say 'go to hell' to someone angering me. Doesn't mean I believe in hell, just using a common colloquialism to express my irritation.
Well that's actually not very good verse to accurately explain what was going on. The people adressed in this verse are pagans who wanted to kill the prophet not a confused millenial born in london and so its so why would God make his doubt and disease grow if he wants the best guidance for mankind. This is definitely a misqoutation of the noble quran.
This verse revealed beacause of the hypocrite individuals (Munafiqiin) who were with in the Muslims society in Madinah (Sahabah) and doing evil things.
Mashallah, look and see how mansur allows everyone to talk, he shows respect, he listens, he observes, that shows you that he is intellectual and can debate in many levels. I have a lot of respect towards him and learn a lot from his debates. Keep up the good work brother 👍🏽
Jacob VG this was a good debate 👍🏽 always keep it peaceful and intellectual. I see you both respect each other. This debate should be a example to speakers corner in many ways. I liked how people got involved, instead of heckling and all that nonsense. 🤝👏
@@humblebrother8024 I completely agree. SC has devolved into senseless fights recently, violence got a bit more normalised since there was a punchup over flat earth 🤦♂️ Fortunately there's those of us who prefer intelligent conversation 👍
@@jacobvg3204 brother if you see some of My muslim brothers mockering, then you should know that many atheists Are ridicilous and arrogant, so that Is the reason. I don't believe you Are brother. The proof of god is everywhere My friend, look around you. It neccesitates a existence of a designer.
@@UltimateFreekickerzdok Haha, it's OK they can say what they like - I care about what's true, not my own feelings. There are arrogant idiots in any group you find, I've met several insufferable atheists, Muslims and Christians (Sikhs and Buddhists tend to be much more amiable). Now, to address your argument from design - tell my why it is that you think existence necessitates a designer? It's no use saying the proof of God is all around; from my point of view, the proof of atheism is all around, but we're obviously not going to get anywhere if we just keep saying how obvious it is, because each of us have our own conviction. So for me, personally, the fact that the vast majority of the universe is not conducive to life at all, supports the notion that we all exist by sheer accident. The fact that so much of existence is designed so poorly, means that if there is a godly designer, he seems pretty incompetent.
@@awaismir3860 because I don't think the camera records past that. It's per camera basis. Some only do 30minsbthrn it cuts. Same as snapchat, you can record longer videos but it gets separated every 10secs or so.
0:36 Jacob said "omg". 😂 I really enjoyed this convo. This is the kind of atheists that are very humble and honest. I have seen some that are so stubborn and don't even listen and are there just to hate.
Dear Brothers may I request you to kindly always add the links of the other parts to the discussions in you summary of the video. The algorithms really mess around and it becomes very difficult to find the videos and post them on Facebook together
tell me this... are you suggesting that some kind of matter is just floating around and randomly explodes and then planets and galaxies came out?? so how do you explain that Earth is the only planet that has oxygen ? why does Earth have gravity? Atheists keep repeating the word random like it’s a clever response yet they forget that there is design in everything.
No, of course not my friend. I'm simply rejecting your assertion that there is just some kind of deity just floating around in existence and randomly creates something from nothing, including our own incredibly complex and flawed world. To address your points then. Earth is not the only planet with oxygen. The reason the earth has gravity is because the earth has mass, and anything with mass must have gravity. Nowhere have I mentioned the word random so far, do you see? We're not forgetting anything about a design - we're simply saying we reject all arguments from design! Hope this is helpful.
Jacob VG 1. Allah is not “floating around” randomly creating... every living thing has a purpose (Muslim Belief) 2. When I said atheists keep saying random I didn’t specifically mean you cuz you have a “third option” 3. ummm.. planets don’t have mass? really?
Jacob VG Are you seriously telling me that other planets don’t have gravity because they don’t have mass??? please go back to highschool if that’s your answer
@@noureyahhussein1284 1) I used the floating around terminology because I knew exactly that you would object to how ridiculous I was making it sound. My reason for using that term is that you originally said 'floating around' yourself, when describing matter. So I was trying to illustrate how anything will sound ridiculous when you make it sound that way. 2) sure, but atheists aren't a monolith. It's not as if we keep invoking randomness, just that we reject the teleological arguments made by the Muslims. 3) I think you have completely misunderstood me. Planets absolutely do indeed have mass. Read my point again. Anything with mass has gravity. Planets have mass. The earth is a planet. Thus, the earth has mass. Nowhere did I say other planets don't have gravity because they don't have mass. If I did believe that, you'd be right to call me out, but be careful on saying I ought to go back to secondary school, when it is you who have misunderstood. Other planets have gravity as well. Because other planets have mass. Have I helped you understand now?
No, not really, since if you're raised in a society where saying 'omg' is a common response to something unexpected or unpleasant, then it's likely you'll say that too, regardless of whether you believe or not.
I love how brother Mansur surmised his long winding arguments and made sense of it - that i understood what the atheist was talking about for the past 15mins!
Good on you for understanding - but I'm afraid I had to be somewhat drawn out in my explanations since many of the Muslims (at the time and in the comments) seem not to have understood as well as you claim you did.
@@fatimaachy5764 so sad to hear! I hope Allah will guide you back. Might i ask how do you explain your existence your thought your morals your way of life how do you blindly live your life without any direction or goals?
@@fatimaachy5764 I'm sorry you have a crap family. Unfortunately their behaviour is disturbing and it's probably better to be away from them. However Islam does not condone killing people who do not wish to follow Islam. This is a misunderstanding of huge proportions and unfortunately is a huge cultural issue across the world. I hope you find what you are searching for.
3:35 So what caused God to come into existence? Religious people always dance around this question saying God always existed. It's possible reality always existed. even before this Universe.
@@user-el6xm2pk7x I think you ought to understand, I use that expression as a colloquialism, since I've been raised in a world where it's quite common to express emotion like that. Doesn't really say anything about the truth of the god in question. I might say 'go to hell' to someone I dislike - doesn't mean I believe in hell, just that I'm metaphorically expressing myself by colloquialism.
Mansur is crying on his mind and kept silent listening to them them who if stops breath for 2 min starts to shout God God help me save me them who can understand many difficult theory and has so good understanding capacity yet they won't accept Allah
what does he means by "nothing witch exist can cause something non existing to be existing" ,his smartphone was not existing before apple or samsung caused it to exist , of course the materials like iron and plastic where existing but the smartphone was not and they brought it to existence
"And if you are struck by danger in the sea, who will you excuse except Him. So when He saves you on land, you turn away. And humans are always ungrateful. "(Surat al-Isra ': 67)
Proof of social attitude and religious environment, not of God's existence I'm afraid. Just like I might say to someone, "go to hell". Doesn't mean I believe in hell - just that I'm annoyed and am expressing said annoyance through a religious colloquialism.
Actually I said the exact opposite. Several times I clarified that I was not affirming that God 100% could never exist. As for saying "oh my god" that's more a reflection of social attitude than any kind of proof of the supernatural.
just because he said O my God, doesn't mean he really understands the meaning. It can be something his family or friends who always said OMG., he got caught by the jargon words repeatatively. A human would have to activate the real meaning of O my God, buy installing the strong base of Tawheed and knowledge of deen.
It's not to do with not understanding it, it's more that Muslims don't understand the way in which I used it. Other than that, you're completely right, they ought to understand how saying it doesn't demonstrate theism.
Verily this is a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.(QS Asy Syu'ara: 192) And He is with you wheresoever ye may be.And Allah sees well all that ye do. (QS Al Hadid: 4)
WERE THEY CREATED BY NOTHING, OR WERE THEY THEMSELVES THE CREATORS? In The Name of Allaah, The Most Merciful, The Bestower of Mercy Allaah (The Most High) said: أَمْ خُلِقُوا مِنْ غَيْرِ شَيْءٍ أَمْ هُمُ الْخَالِقُونَ Were they created by nothing, or were they themselves the creators? Imaam Ibnul Qayyim (rahimahullaah) said: Ponder upon this reiteration and restriction which necessitates establishment of a proof through the closest means to that and through the most eloquent of expressions. Allaah said that they were created after they were not existent; so were they created without a creator? This is not possible in the view of everyone with understanding and intellect that there can be something made without a maker and a creature without a creator. If a man were to go past a deserted place that has no building in it, but then he went past it (again) and saw in it buildings, castles and structures, he will neither doubt nor harbour extreme scepticism that it was a builder and a constructor who built and constructed them. Then Allaah said: [ أَمْ هُمُ الْخَالِقُون] [Or were they themselves the creators?] This is also impossible that a slave comes into existence by creating himself; because the one who is neither able to prolong his life after his existence and the means of life even for an hour, nor is (he able to prolong it equal to) the length of a finger, a finger nail or a string of hair, then how can he be a creator of himself whilst being in a state of nonexistence. So after both these affairs are nullified, then it is determined (without any doubt) that they have a creator and an originator who created and originated them; and He is the True God that deserves their worship and thanksgiving. Therefore, how can they associate other (false) gods as partners to Him whilst He alone created them?! [End of Quote: Source: As-Sawaa-iq Al-Mursalah 2/493-494] Ustaadh Abu Iyaad Amjad Rafiq (may Allaah preserve him) wrote in a discussion at www.salafitalk.net Bobby, since the late 70s and 80s there has been an increase in the number of scientists and academics acknowledging that there must be a creator in order to account for the universe. Due to the advancements made in the fields of genetics and cosmology, the acceptance of a creator is inevitable. Theories such as evolution are no longer tenable. Evolutionists have faced growing opposition over the last two decades due to undeniable implications of the discoveries in genetics and cosmology. For your information, one of the great figureheads of contemporary atheism, Anthony Flew, announced in 2004 that he is no longer an atheist and has accepted the existence of a creator. This sent shock waves through “militant atheism” and his former colleagues began to attack and vilify him. I recently read his book called “There is a God - How the World’s Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind”. Although Flew accepts that there must be a creator, he has not committed to any religion. In his book when one looks at the reasons, considerations or the specific arguments that led him to recant from atheism, you will find that they are not too far off from the implications of the meanings of these verses in the Qur’an in Surah at-Tur: “Were they created by nothing? Or were they themselves the creators? Or did they create the heavens and the earth, they do not have any firm conviction” If you look at the tafseer (explanation) of this verse you will find the wording in these verses can provide the following meanings: - Were they created by nothing, i.e. without an originator or creator - Were they created from nothing or as inanimate matter - i.e. without a father or mother, and not by way of an embryo in its various stages, and not from sperm and ovum, were they created as inanimate beings - Were they created without any purpose or end goal i.e. is there no end goal or purpose to their lives - Were they creators of themselves (they would never and cannot claim this) - Were they the creators of the heavens and the earth (they would never and cannot claim this) The answers to all the questions are in the negative which leads to only one conclusion. Flew says on page 88-89: Quote Why do I believe this, given that I expounded and defended atheism for more than half a century? The short answer is this: this is the world picture as I see it, that has emerged from modern science. Science spotlights three dimensions of nature that point to God. The first is the fact that nature obeys laws. The second is the dimension of life, of intelligently organized and purpose-driven beings, which arose from matter. The third, is the very existence of nature…”
He also says, no page 89, Quote: “My departure from atheism was not occasioned by any new phenomenon or argument. Over the last two decades my whole framework of thought has been in a stage of migration. This was a consequence of my continuing assessment of the evidence of nature …”. And some of the chapter headings in his book include, - Who wrote the laws of nature? - Did the universe know we were coming? - How did life go live? - Did something come from nothing? Now I would not normally make mention or use of the recantation of any atheist. However, since Flew describes himself as the “most notorious atheist” who is in fact regarded as such by his peers, and that in the circles of contemporary atheism, Flew’s paper, “Theology and Falsification” written over 50 years has probably been the most important work that invigorated and revived the atheistic academic assault in the decades to follow - I have made mention of his departure from atheism. I’ve mentioned Flew here to illustrate the point that your conclusion that there cannot be a God, which you described as logical is a very subjective judgement. You should also note that when many of the contemporary arrogant atheists noticed this trend over the last twenty years, they stepped up their efforts to win the attention of the general population, fearing that they might follow this growing realization against academics and scientists of the failure of Darwinian Evolution and atheist philosophy to provide sufficient answers. They have been labelled the “New Atheists” and their movement, “New Atheism”. This includes people like Richard Dawkins who is the more popular and outspoken of this group. I also read Dawkins “the God Delusion” as it was so highly promoted. When you get to the crux of his argument in the hundreds of pages that are often filled with sarcasm, insults, mockery, and so on, he says that the issue of intelligent design, or that the argument that there is purpose-driven intelligent design evidenced in nature does cause a big problem (i.e. its an issue that cannot be brushed aside easily by atheists) however, “natural selection” is an alternative, so why can’t we just accept “natural selection” as an alternative to accepting God. That’s the essence of what he is saying - not much substance at all. Most of the writings of these “new atheists” use ad hominem attacks, sarcasm and mockery in order make atheism the mainstream amongst the general population. The wave of books that have appeared to promote atheism in recent years are just books aimed at the general populace, to sway them and keep from away from the reality of there being a creator. If you research into the atheism of the last century you will realise that one of the biggest ideas found early in the 20th century to support atheism was logical positivism, the general idea of which is that the only statements that are true and meaningful are those that can be verified by sense experience - and that anything that cannot be verified by sense experience cannot be affirmed. This was later abandoned by its main proponent (A.J. Ayers) as being untenable, and atheists were then looking for the “next big thing” in atheist philosophy - until Flew came with his famous paper. You have to understand that these people from their arrogance, presume that atheism is the standard, and from that point proceed to find arguments, or invent philosophies that will support them in their conclusion. So you will see that they have “no real conviction” in anything. They are in fact internally confused, contradictory and do not have any firm standing. They are as Allaah has stated, “Were they created by nothing? Or were they themselves the creators? Or did they create the heavens and the earth, they do not have any firm conviction” After having said all this there are important points to mention: It is not a requirement that a Muslim “prove” his faith by way of scientific proofs for the existence of Allaah. Unfortunately this is a methodology promoted by some modernists - they claim that unless a Muslim is able to furnish scientific proofs for the existence of their Lord, that their faith (Imaan) is deficient. This is a false claim. The first obligation is to actually declare one’s faith in in Allaah, not to learn scientific proofs after having assumed a position of doubt. Secondly, in the Qur’an where are we enjoined to reflect upon the natural phenomena around us, this is in order for us to reflect, ponder and as a consequence affirm His sole right to be worshipped. The proof of the existence of a Creator by way of the the creation is not the primary issue, as that is a matter that is beyond doubt, as Allaah has said in Surah Ibrahim, “Is there any doubt concerning Allaah, the Originator and creator of the heavens and earth?“. When we look at the explanations of such verses in the Qur’an we find the orthodox Muslim commentators explain how these natural phenomena are a proof that the sole right for all forms of worship belong to Allaah, and Allaah alone. Thus, the primary purpose in reflection upon the creation is to acknowledge that none has the right to be worshipped except Allaah alone, and not to merely affirm that He is the creator and originator. So when we are involved in the discussion of the existence of a creator, we need to bear these things in mind. By abu iyaad amjad bin muhammad rafiq
His statement: "nothing that exists (suchs as me) can cause something to begin to exist" Knocking the knees off his statement: Q: did you exist before your mother gave birth to you? A: no Q: did you exist after your mother gave birth to you? A: yes theres more ways to this.. theres a room with you, some tools and a tree inside it.. there is no chair within the existence of the room.. you make a chair out of the tree.. there now is a chair existing within the room.. In order to help the second example sink in.. you might want to read up on a couple of definitions.. Definition of existence: the fact or state of living or having objective reality Definition of existing: in existence or operation at the current time. honestly i cant believe these idiots feel like they have achieved something with such silly and incoherent sentences.. i mean just because you string a bunch of words together does not mean you have given them a logical standing..
Since I generally make the effort to be a civil and pleasant chap I shall ignore and excuse the fact that you've called me an idiot and made a huge generalisation, and shall instead address your response. So, we should begin by the fact that you've not quoted what I actually said. My argument is that "nothing which exists can cause something nonexistent (specifically matter which is nonexistent) to begin existing". Now, you are correct to some degree that the intangible qualities that make me, Jacob, would not exist were it not for my mother. However, I am referring to matter (something I admit, I should have been clearer with). Now, although my consciousness didn't exist before my conception, the matter that is me did. You can listen to Neil degrasse tyson explaining fascinatingly how we are composed of stardust. There is also the more basic explanation that technically, my mother did not directly cause my existence. Rather, she produced a cell which would eventually become me. She did not just conjure up matter from nothing. To use your other example, yes, the chair technically did not exist as a chair before being crafted, but the matter that composes it did. So it was not caused from non-existent matter. Thus, your example is not soundly analogous to God creating the universe from nothing. Anyway, I'm glad we've established all that. Now, since I didn't actually complete my argument in the video, I'll do it for you now. 1) we dealt with it just above. 2) therefore anything (any matter) which begins to exist was not caused to exist by something existent (unless that something fashioned it out of something else) 3) the universe began to exist. (this actually is not necessarily true, but because religious people use it in the Kalam argument, I'm repeating it here). 4) thus, the universe was not caused to exist by anything that exists. 5) so God does not exist. Now, the only way you can sensibly defeat this argument is by denying point number 3. But, if you deny that, then you admit the Kalam argument is invalid, since you admit the universe may not have begun to exist.
THE ATHEIST BELIEVE THERE IS NO GOD BUT ISLAM CONFIRM THE SAY AS THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH. THAT IS THE DIFFERENT. LAA ILAHA ILLALLAH. MUHAMMADAR RASULLULLAH.
The thing that irritates atheists is when you turn the tables on them.. When they ask how can you be certain of a Creator existing when you can’t observe him? we can ask them how are you certain that a thing called “gravity” exists? you can’t see gravity and you can’t touch gravity so how do you know it exists? of course they’ll say we see the effects of gravity like it’s a smart answer lol they just dig a bigger hole for themselves
Wrong again I'm afraid. You can't really turn the tables on an atheist since, concerning god, the burden of proof does not lie with us (as you seem to recognise). Of course, you can switch things round when you change the topic from God to gravity, but then it's not an issue of theism and atheism anymore is it? If you ask me how I know gravity exists, I'm not sure why you think I will be irritated by you. I will simply say the theory of gravity explains the law of gravity pretty well, and that it is a testable proposal with a good degree of evidence. Quite how you think this is atheists digging a bigger hole for ourselves, I'm not too sure.
You realise that's a common saying, right? And that I basically just said it to avoid swearing on camera? I mean if you'd really prefer, I could've said "oh for fuck's sake", but I thought I'd at least try and be polite lol
You realise that's a common saying, right? And that I basically just said it to avoid swearing on camera? I mean if you'd really prefer, I could've said "oh for fuck's sake", but I thought I'd at least try and be polite lol
@@jacobvg3204 Hi Jacob, that would be great as much of theortical physics that is put out there tends to be based on bullcrap. Ill try my best to read and understand it, and i will have a look to see if there is anything on the "notevenwrong" blog about it.
@@redx11x Thanks for the reply, good on you for being open minded. I should first tell you though, that I have no love for pseudoscience either, and I will never make a claim that cannot be backed at least by some degree of reason.
Easy win on Atheist : We Muslim don't believe in God too. Because our very testament said There is no GOD but ALLAH. so we don't subscribe to any God because we don't believe them. We only submit to ALLAH. The creator The originator, The ultimate Power.
@@jacobvg3204 the meaning is "there is no one worthy of worship in truth, except for Allah the Almighty" All false deities are negated first - this includes our desires, whims, other peoples' opinions, man made laws and statues or talismans that have no power over us. We ask Allah for help alone, not just 'a god or goddess' because Allah is above these false attributes of having a sex or family
@@user-el6xm2pk7x I should clear things up. I'm both. Atheism means a lack of belief in God or gods. Therefore it is simply stating "I don't believe your claim that God exists". It is NOT making the positive assertion that "there is no God". Nobody can be 100% either way, and anyone who tells you they are is lying to you. Agnostic, on the other hand, is not a claim to belief/disbelief, but a claim to knowledge. Agnostics will (correctly) say, we're not sure. Thus my position is both: I reject the claim by believers that God exists (because the burden of proof lies on them), and I don't claim with absolute certainty that God doesn't exist. Hope that's clarified it for you.
Jacob VG Some of the comments in the comment section may be really insulting, just forget them, it is not our Islamic way to do that. May I ask, would you accept that there is a necessary existence? And not only possible existences.
You realise that's a common saying, right? And that I basically just said it to avoid swearing on camera? I mean if you'd really prefer, I could've said "oh for fuck's sake", but I thought I'd at least try and be polite lol
Biochemical 🤪 mix the chemicals then and form some kind of life. The have the matter, but can't see or play with god superior energy Spirit/consciousness
If he didnt believe in god why he say oh my God,these guys read a book come to the park yes this theory is true this guy so confused his actually has confused himself looool
The fact that my saying omg is your best argument, suggests the case for your god is weak. As has been pointed out many times, this is a common saying to express surprise, disappointment etc. A reflection of social attitude rather than belief. Yes, believe it or not, I read books. I think if you watch it again and read some of the comments, it's the Muslims who were confused! Peace
@@jacobvg3204 theres no confusion something can't come out of nothing its that simple when you over think question the question and the question you will never get the answer because you dont like the answer,it will always be the question.nobody can prove something came out of nothing it cant be proving
@@suleymankamran1161 Actually, it's a distinct possibility that something can come from nothing. Of course, you have an arbitrary concept of nothing. If you mean nothing as in no energy, then technically the universe exists as nothing. If you mean some vaccum prior to the big bang, that may or may not be nothing. Of course, the most obvious thing to point out is that I haven't said here that I believe for certain something came from nothing. I just dismiss religious claims of God's existence (partly because I don't see how a creator can just magic something from nothing into existence). Both seem incomprehensible, it's true, but your option is more so, and mine is open to other possibilities.
@@suleymankamran1161 I'm glad we've established our grounds. I just reject that claim. I also find it absurd that you start by saying something can't come from nothing, yet have concluded your argument by saying that there IS one condition under which something can come from nothing. Do you see how this is circular reasoning, my friend? I'd be interested in seeing what proof you actually have for this god that is supposedly excused from the principle of sufficient reason.
@@jacobvg3204 you mentioned you don't believe in an eternal universe which makes absolute sense but you didn't dismiss it as false, why is that? If the universe is finite and eternal then surely a contradiction can never be true, so why did you not dismiss it?
@@TheScritzCure You don't have to know something is absolutely false in order not to believe it. If you have no good reason to believe either the claim that it is false or that it is true, you can choose not to believe either claim.
Brother Mansur has finally been convinced to join Twitter, inshallah follow him as he answers some of the arguments that have been put forward on his official Twitter account @MansurXAhmed
Jorge Gif he is from India MashaAllah
welcome to twitter, I think you will find this interesting: Jay Smith debate destruction: th-cam.com/video/Wb_bYYHAjAE/w-d-xo.html I think David Wood should be questioned and confronted about the scientific errors as well. Let me know what you think.
He is from Bangladesh to be exact.
These liars are not atheist they are Christians they're hiding their Trinity religion so they are not attacked
Facebook?
I like this guy Mansour, he's very respectful and eloquent. I've learned a lot from his videos.
Me too, as a Muslim. Especially his manners when discussing not so mannered people. And his way of speaking and his thoughts are so organized, its insane
I have the same feeling towords this brother Mansour
Mansur is a nice guy and so is Hashim. I respect them both highly. This is how discussions at Speaker's Corner should be conducted.
Hashim is annoying as hell
Why do atheist say Oh My God when something unusual happens?
Just wait and see when their life is in danger... They do such a perfect prayer that you havent seen in your life....😂
That's fitrah. You cant fight it!
Ayesha Khan a programmed natural instinct, some will call up Mom Dad in some cultures but God everybody calls upon him when they are in schtuck (shtook)
The funny thing with some atheists in fact the overwhelming majority resist because of their ego and not of any reason conclusion.
For instance he doesn't know but it can't be God.
When you state you don't know why then pretend it is not God, you will need to come up with a reasonable logical, rational explanation before you can dismiss God's existence or intervention, their arguments are often emotional and not rational.
Fatima Achy it does matter, it shows how pathetic and hypocritical ones belief is if they accept no god all their life but when they need god the most they literally believe in him and ask for help. That’s the cowardish pathetic and hypocritical character that comes out. And that’s what you will be judged on if that’s also you to be honest.
Hᴜꜱᴛʟᴇ Lᴏʏ can you prove god never gave any revelation? Please don’t commit the casual fallacy by asking me if I can prove scriptures do come from god cause you made the claim first. Be humble and don’t jump to conclusions that have no logical/ reasonable explanation. However if you were to say god exist even without proof that is way more reasonable and rational as you have all the reasons to believe that. Not the other way around however, you have no reason to say God hasn’t communicated with his creation.
Subject ended in 36 seconds,when he said OH MY GOD 😂😂
My use of a harmless colloquialism that has become natural to people growing up in a religious environment is not a proof of the actual truth of such a statement. I'm sorry if you think that ended the discussion.
Jacob VG you said ..omg.. because it is in your heart...it is natural..everyone born with it..that's why unwillingly you said it..
@@mohammedhafizshaik2019 Actually, it's because I've been raised in a world where it's very common to say omg to express surprise or annoyance etc. It wasn't really unwilling - I would have perhaps been more inclined to say 'for fuck's sake' or something akin, but didn't want to swear on tape. It's the same as how I might say 'go to hell' to someone angering me. Doesn't mean I believe in hell, just using a common colloquialism to express my irritation.
LOL
@Khilafah BAQ1YA bi iz nil lah Saadedeenaustrali Nice. Do you have any evidence, or just insult?
"They have the disease (of doubt) in their heart, and Allah makes their disease grow." Qur'an (2:10)
Well that's actually not very good verse to accurately explain what was going on. The people adressed in this verse are pagans who wanted to kill the prophet not a confused millenial born in london and so its so why would God make his doubt and disease grow if he wants the best guidance for mankind. This is definitely a misqoutation of the noble quran.
This verse revealed beacause of the hypocrite individuals (Munafiqiin) who were with in the Muslims society in Madinah (Sahabah) and doing evil things.
Mashallah, look and see how mansur allows everyone to talk, he shows respect, he listens, he observes, that shows you that he is intellectual and can debate in many levels. I have a lot of respect towards him and learn a lot from his debates. Keep up the good work brother 👍🏽
As the guy who he was debating, I can confirm he is a very amiable and intelligent gentleman.
@@jacobvg3204 Agreed. He is the nicest atheist I've seen so far. May Allah guide him to the Truth.
@@souadburghan5313 Haha, I should've been clearer: I am the atheist/agnostic in the video. Much appreciated 👍
Jacob VG this was a good debate 👍🏽 always keep it peaceful and intellectual. I see you both respect each other. This debate should be a example to speakers corner in many ways. I liked how people got involved, instead of heckling and all that nonsense. 🤝👏
@@humblebrother8024 I completely agree. SC has devolved into senseless fights recently, violence got a bit more normalised since there was a punchup over flat earth 🤦♂️ Fortunately there's those of us who prefer intelligent conversation 👍
may Allah guide u to the truth young man, keep searching with an open mind and heart
Much appreciated, most intelligent comment I've seen so far
@@jacobvg3204 brother if you see some of My muslim brothers mockering, then you should know that many atheists Are ridicilous and arrogant, so that Is the reason. I don't believe you Are brother. The proof of god is everywhere My friend, look around you. It neccesitates a existence of a designer.
@@UltimateFreekickerzdok Haha, it's OK they can say what they like - I care about what's true, not my own feelings. There are arrogant idiots in any group you find, I've met several insufferable atheists, Muslims and Christians (Sikhs and Buddhists tend to be much more amiable). Now, to address your argument from design - tell my why it is that you think existence necessitates a designer? It's no use saying the proof of God is all around; from my point of view, the proof of atheism is all around, but we're obviously not going to get anywhere if we just keep saying how obvious it is, because each of us have our own conviction. So for me, personally, the fact that the vast majority of the universe is not conducive to life at all, supports the notion that we all exist by sheer accident. The fact that so much of existence is designed so poorly, means that if there is a godly designer, he seems pretty incompetent.
@@jacobvg3204 what's your example of "poor design"
I had a question
Is 21:04 a magical number akhi?
🤪
I've notice if the video has multiple parts they mostly end at 21:04.
Just curious
its where the recording stops, I think it varies from camera to camera.
Yes why not just post one long video rather than 3 short videos?
@@awaismir3860 because I don't think the camera records past that. It's per camera basis. Some only do 30minsbthrn it cuts.
Same as snapchat, you can record longer videos but it gets separated every 10secs or so.
0:36 Jacob said "omg". 😂
I really enjoyed this convo. This is the kind of atheists that are very humble and honest. I have seen some that are so stubborn and don't even listen and are there just to hate.
Lol 😁
Dear Brothers may I request you to kindly always add the links of the other parts to the discussions in you summary of the video. The algorithms really mess around and it becomes very difficult to find the videos and post them on Facebook together
he should have said Oh My BIGBANG!
Hafiz Halim lol 😂
Lol
Mad!
Wut
Yeah 0:35 he said oh my god 🤣 while claiming as atheist.
MashaAllah may Allah bless brother Mansur, he patiently allowed those who interrupted to have their say.
tell me this...
are you suggesting that some kind of matter is just floating around and randomly explodes and then planets and galaxies came out?? so how do you explain that Earth is the only planet that has oxygen ? why does Earth have gravity? Atheists keep repeating the word random like it’s a clever response yet they forget that there is design in everything.
No, of course not my friend. I'm simply rejecting your assertion that there is just some kind of deity just floating around in existence and randomly creates something from nothing, including our own incredibly complex and flawed world. To address your points then. Earth is not the only planet with oxygen. The reason the earth has gravity is because the earth has mass, and anything with mass must have gravity. Nowhere have I mentioned the word random so far, do you see? We're not forgetting anything about a design - we're simply saying we reject all arguments from design! Hope this is helpful.
Jacob VG
1. Allah is not “floating around” randomly creating... every living thing has a purpose (Muslim Belief)
2. When I said atheists keep saying random I didn’t specifically mean you
cuz you have a “third option”
3. ummm.. planets don’t have mass? really?
Jacob VG
Are you seriously telling me that other planets don’t have gravity because they don’t have mass??? please go back to highschool if that’s your answer
@@noureyahhussein1284 1) I used the floating around terminology because I knew exactly that you would object to how ridiculous I was making it sound. My reason for using that term is that you originally said 'floating around' yourself, when describing matter. So I was trying to illustrate how anything will sound ridiculous when you make it sound that way. 2) sure, but atheists aren't a monolith. It's not as if we keep invoking randomness, just that we reject the teleological arguments made by the Muslims. 3) I think you have completely misunderstood me. Planets absolutely do indeed have mass. Read my point again. Anything with mass has gravity. Planets have mass. The earth is a planet. Thus, the earth has mass. Nowhere did I say other planets don't have gravity because they don't have mass. If I did believe that, you'd be right to call me out, but be careful on saying I ought to go back to secondary school, when it is you who have misunderstood. Other planets have gravity as well. Because other planets have mass. Have I helped you understand now?
@@jacobvg3204 have you gotten the chance to speak to Mohammad hijab or Saboor at all? I feel like they would be very interesting conversations
Intelligent, peaceful discussion. Hard to find ons like this..
Thank you.
At 0:36 - isn't it awkward that even some atheists who deny GOD's existence inevitably mentions HIM during times of worries or fear? ALLAHU AKBAR
No, not really, since if you're raised in a society where saying 'omg' is a common response to something unexpected or unpleasant, then it's likely you'll say that too, regardless of whether you believe or not.
I love how brother Mansur surmised his long winding arguments and made sense of it - that i understood what the atheist was talking about for the past 15mins!
Good on you for understanding - but I'm afraid I had to be somewhat drawn out in my explanations since many of the Muslims (at the time and in the comments) seem not to have understood as well as you claim you did.
was the interruption a dinosaur, t-rex coming out?? 😂
Instead of Oh my God he should have said Oh my science.
Why's that then? 😂
Hahaha
When he sneezes he should say "Science me"
😁😂😁😂😁😂
“I don’t know, but it CANT BE GOD! NO WAY! ABSOLUTELY NOT! So, I still don’t know”
Intellectual idiocy in a nutshell
LOL 😂😂🤣🤣🤣.. nice one..
What a strawman. I never once ruled God out of the equation as 100% impossible.
@@jacobvg3204 W8, are you that guy...?
@@TussalDragon344 Yes sir
@@TussalDragon344 And I can assure that I am in fact neither intellectually lacking or an idiot 😂
May Allah PROTECT those who deliver the truth to people who are anaware of hereafter.Amin
حفظك الله ياشيخ منصور
Some people are just in love with theories, they’ve no interest in searching for truth
@@fatimaachy5764 may I ask how and what you searched to reach your conclusion of no god
I'm interested in truth, hence my admiration for theories.
@@fatimaachy5764 so sad to hear! I hope Allah will guide you back. Might i ask how do you explain your existence your thought your morals your way of life how do you blindly live your life without any direction or goals?
@@fatimaachy5764 Good for you, I'm glad you have escaped the prison of religious belief.
@@fatimaachy5764 I'm sorry you have a crap family. Unfortunately their behaviour is disturbing and it's probably better to be away from them. However Islam does not condone killing people who do not wish to follow Islam. This is a misunderstanding of huge proportions and unfortunately is a huge cultural issue across the world. I hope you find what you are searching for.
I'm a relatively new Muslim, could someone explain how Allah (SWT) isn't everywhere? Or is His essence everywhere?
i like such debates 😍😍 good job Mansur keep up the good work
3:35 So what caused God to come into existence? Religious people always dance around this question saying God always existed. It's possible reality always existed. even before this Universe.
Even before universe existed..there is reality..what the fuck is that?explain please..
As soon as he said Oh My God he lost all integrity 🤣🤣🤣
Why exactly? 😂
@@jacobvg3204 it is contradicting man
There is No God but Oh My God look at that
@@user-el6xm2pk7x I think you ought to understand, I use that expression as a colloquialism, since I've been raised in a world where it's quite common to express emotion like that. Doesn't really say anything about the truth of the god in question. I might say 'go to hell' to someone I dislike - doesn't mean I believe in hell, just that I'm metaphorically expressing myself by colloquialism.
@@user-el6xm2pk7x I'm afraid only someone who ignored all of what I said could be so absurd to state that saying omg meant I lost integrity.
@@jacobvg3204 I understand that part but it seems ironic 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Regardless the discussion is fruitful for both atheist and theist to ponder
Big bang is mentioned in The Quran .. Why is he not referencing it?
I must have missed that part when I read it
Atheist: all bout if..if...
Mansur: hold my mineral water!!!😛
Hold my Zam Zam water would be better
Mansur is crying on his mind and kept silent listening to them them who if stops breath for 2 min starts to shout God God help me save me them who can understand many difficult theory and has so good understanding capacity yet they won't accept Allah
Awesome 👏🏻 video SCDawah
This is how learning happens and dialogue should be exchanged in discussions
what does he means by "nothing witch exist can cause something non existing to be existing" ,his smartphone was not existing before apple or samsung caused it to exist , of course the materials like iron and plastic where existing but the smartphone was not and they brought it to existence
Now that is what I call a civilized discussion
Br Mansur is laughing in his head like a child when being tickled
Alhamdulillah
0:38 when Jacob says Oh my God iknew This would be the easy for Mansur 😂😂😂😭😭😭
Lmao no
@@tobi4637 Wut
@@jacobvg3204 yes?
@@tobi4637 Your comment's gone now, can't even remember what you said, just remember it being barely coherent
0:35 ok bro,, you are another trend fan 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ no convection at all, just another media victim
What?
Gravity of the gaps, whatever you don't know/understand just push gravity there 🕳️
The agnostic should be asked how does consciousness get passed on?
0:35 Oh my God -----
Wait a moment where it comes from
What are you talking about?
around 0:36 he says omg... how ironic lol
"And if you are struck by danger in the sea, who will you excuse except Him. So when He saves you on land, you turn away. And humans are always ungrateful. "(Surat al-Isra ': 67)
Proof of social attitude and religious environment, not of God's existence I'm afraid. Just like I might say to someone, "go to hell". Doesn't mean I believe in hell - just that I'm annoyed and am expressing said annoyance through a religious colloquialism.
Jacob VG as long as you know it's called fitrah.
@@viviismail7904 Yes, I'm aware that's what you Muslims call it. But that's not proof in itself that we are indeed naturally disposed to belief.
People can say what they want but the soul knows there is a Creator and another life.this is put in every living thing.
I certainly don't believe in such things. What proof can you give me that the soul exists?
at 0:36 the atheist"" said "oh my God"
At 35 seconds when he said oh my god I switched off cos that summed it all up
Mr mansur please visit you tube from Indonesian where is girl with can't see hafal Al-Qur'an nur Karim
Al hafidz
Thanks for read
Of cos she can,she can hear. When Allah takes one thing,He gives another,Allah is Just
Wow a decent atheist who can listen and have a discussion. Hope the young atheist will have hidayah and set aside his biased. amiin
Believe it or not, us decent atheists do exist. I hope you can set aside your own bias and find truth my friend.
What fight was that at the beginning??
UFC 240
Darth Vader vs Luke Skywalker.
Han Solo was filming it.
@@danoneall4013 😆
a pigeon vs a tramp with chips
Debate got heated up somewhere
The mind is a wonderful thing
The atheist told that he is 100 % sure that there is no god, but why he said :Oh m'y god!!!?
Actually I said the exact opposite. Several times I clarified that I was not affirming that God 100% could never exist. As for saying "oh my god" that's more a reflection of social attitude than any kind of proof of the supernatural.
@@jacobvg3204 hey are u the same person in the vid?
@@someone-et3uc Yes.
I loved Mansoor's discussions with atheists! Hahah
The blue shirt man next to br Mansur asked very pertinent questions!
@Hᴜꜱᴛʟᴇ Lᴏʏ you don't even know the guy to make such a claim 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
just because he said O my God, doesn't mean he really understands the meaning.
It can be something his family or friends who always said OMG., he got caught by the jargon words repeatatively.
A human would have to activate the real meaning of O my God, buy installing the strong base of Tawheed and knowledge of deen.
It's not to do with not understanding it, it's more that Muslims don't understand the way in which I used it. Other than that, you're completely right, they ought to understand how saying it doesn't demonstrate theism.
At 41 sec he said oh my god and still dont believe in god?
Masha Allah
0:35 Atheist: "Oh my God." End of discussion.
Mohammed hijab should be here
Verily this is a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.(QS Asy Syu'ara: 192)
And He is with you wheresoever ye may be.And Allah sees well all that ye do. (QS Al Hadid: 4)
WERE THEY CREATED BY NOTHING, OR WERE THEY THEMSELVES THE CREATORS?
In The Name of Allaah, The Most Merciful, The Bestower of Mercy
Allaah (The Most High) said:
أَمْ خُلِقُوا مِنْ غَيْرِ شَيْءٍ أَمْ هُمُ الْخَالِقُونَ
Were they created by nothing, or were they themselves the creators?
Imaam Ibnul Qayyim (rahimahullaah) said:
Ponder upon this reiteration and restriction which necessitates establishment of a proof through the closest means to that and through the most eloquent of expressions. Allaah said that they were created after they were not existent; so were they created without a creator? This is not possible in the view of everyone with understanding and intellect that there can be something made without a maker and a creature without a creator. If a man were to go past a deserted place that has no building in it, but then he went past it (again) and saw in it buildings, castles and structures, he will neither doubt nor harbour extreme scepticism that it was a builder and a constructor who built and constructed them.
Then Allaah said: [ أَمْ هُمُ الْخَالِقُون] [Or were they themselves the creators?]
This is also impossible that a slave comes into existence by creating himself; because the one who is neither able to prolong his life after his existence and the means of life even for an hour, nor is (he able to prolong it equal to) the length of a finger, a finger nail or a string of hair, then how can he be a creator of himself whilst being in a state of nonexistence.
So after both these affairs are nullified, then it is determined (without any doubt) that they have a creator and an originator who created and originated them; and He is the True God that deserves their worship and thanksgiving. Therefore, how can they associate other (false) gods as partners to Him whilst He alone created them?! [End of Quote: Source: As-Sawaa-iq Al-Mursalah 2/493-494]
Ustaadh Abu Iyaad Amjad Rafiq (may Allaah preserve him) wrote in a discussion at www.salafitalk.net
Bobby, since the late 70s and 80s there has been an increase in the number of scientists and academics acknowledging that there must be a creator in order to account for the universe. Due to the advancements made in the fields of genetics and cosmology, the acceptance of a creator is inevitable. Theories such as evolution are no longer tenable. Evolutionists have faced growing opposition over the last two decades due to undeniable implications of the discoveries in genetics and cosmology.
For your information, one of the great figureheads of contemporary atheism, Anthony Flew, announced in 2004 that he is no longer an atheist and has accepted the existence of a creator.
This sent shock waves through “militant atheism” and his former colleagues began to attack and vilify him. I recently read his book called “There is a God - How the World’s Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind”.
Although Flew accepts that there must be a creator, he has not committed to any religion. In his book when one looks at the reasons, considerations or the specific arguments that led him to recant from atheism, you will find that they are not too far off from the implications of the meanings of these verses in the Qur’an in Surah at-Tur:
“Were they created by nothing? Or were they themselves the creators? Or did they create the heavens and the earth, they do not have any firm conviction”
If you look at the tafseer (explanation) of this verse you will find the wording in these verses can provide the following meanings:
- Were they created by nothing, i.e. without an originator or creator
- Were they created from nothing or as inanimate matter - i.e. without a father or mother, and not by way of an embryo in its various stages, and not from sperm and ovum, were they created as inanimate beings
- Were they created without any purpose or end goal i.e. is there no end goal or purpose to their lives
- Were they creators of themselves (they would never and cannot claim this)
- Were they the creators of the heavens and the earth (they would never and cannot claim this)
The answers to all the questions are in the negative which leads to only one conclusion.
Flew says on page 88-89:
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Why do I believe this, given that I expounded and defended atheism for more than half a century? The short answer is this: this is the world picture as I see it, that has emerged from modern science. Science spotlights three dimensions of nature that point to God.
The first is the fact that nature obeys laws. The second is the dimension of life, of intelligently organized and purpose-driven beings, which arose from matter. The third, is the very existence of nature…”
He also says, no page 89,
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“My departure from atheism was not occasioned by any new phenomenon or argument. Over the last two decades my whole framework of thought has been in a stage of migration. This was a consequence of my continuing assessment of the evidence of nature …”.
And some of the chapter headings in his book include,
- Who wrote the laws of nature?
- Did the universe know we were coming?
- How did life go live?
- Did something come from nothing?
Now I would not normally make mention or use of the recantation of any atheist. However, since Flew describes himself as the “most notorious atheist” who is in fact regarded as such by his peers, and that in the circles of contemporary atheism, Flew’s paper, “Theology and Falsification” written over 50 years has probably been the most important work that invigorated and revived the atheistic academic assault in the decades to follow - I have made mention of his departure from atheism.
I’ve mentioned Flew here to illustrate the point that your conclusion that there cannot be a God, which you described as logical is a very subjective judgement.
You should also note that when many of the contemporary arrogant atheists noticed this trend over the last twenty years, they stepped up their efforts to win the attention of the general population, fearing that they might follow this growing realization against academics and scientists of the failure of Darwinian Evolution and atheist philosophy to provide sufficient answers. They have been labelled the “New Atheists” and their movement, “New Atheism”. This includes people like Richard Dawkins who is the more popular and outspoken of this group.
I also read Dawkins “the God Delusion” as it was so highly promoted. When you get to the crux of his argument in the hundreds of pages that are often filled with sarcasm, insults, mockery, and so on, he says that the issue of intelligent design, or that the argument that there is purpose-driven intelligent design evidenced in nature does cause a big problem (i.e. its an issue that cannot be brushed aside easily by atheists) however, “natural selection” is an alternative, so why can’t we just accept “natural selection” as an alternative to accepting God. That’s the essence of what he is saying - not much substance at all.
Most of the writings of these “new atheists” use ad hominem attacks, sarcasm and mockery in order make atheism the mainstream amongst the general population. The wave of books that have appeared to promote atheism in recent years are just books aimed at the general populace, to sway them and keep from away from the reality of there being a creator.
If you research into the atheism of the last century you will realise that one of the biggest ideas found early in the 20th century to support atheism was logical positivism, the general idea of which is that the only statements that are true and meaningful are those that can be verified by sense experience - and that anything that cannot be verified by sense experience cannot be affirmed. This was later abandoned by its main proponent (A.J. Ayers) as being untenable, and atheists were then looking for the “next big thing” in atheist philosophy - until Flew came with his famous paper. You have to understand that these people from their arrogance, presume that atheism is the standard, and from that point proceed to find arguments, or invent philosophies that will support them in their conclusion. So you will see that they have “no real conviction” in anything. They are in fact internally confused, contradictory and do not have any firm standing.
They are as Allaah has stated, “Were they created by nothing? Or were they themselves the creators? Or did they create the heavens and the earth, they do not have any firm conviction”
After having said all this there are important points to mention:
It is not a requirement that a Muslim “prove” his faith by way of scientific proofs for the existence of Allaah. Unfortunately this is a methodology promoted by some modernists - they claim that unless a Muslim is able to furnish scientific proofs for the existence of their Lord, that their faith (Imaan) is deficient. This is a false claim.
The first obligation is to actually declare one’s faith in in Allaah, not to learn scientific proofs after having assumed a position of doubt.
Secondly, in the Qur’an where are we enjoined to reflect upon the natural phenomena around us, this is in order for us to reflect, ponder and as a consequence affirm His sole right to be worshipped. The proof of the existence of a Creator by way of the the creation is not the primary issue, as that is a matter that is beyond doubt, as Allaah has said in Surah Ibrahim, “Is there any doubt concerning Allaah, the Originator and creator of the heavens and earth?“. When we look at the explanations of such verses in the Qur’an we find the orthodox Muslim commentators explain how these natural phenomena are a proof that the sole right for all forms of worship belong to Allaah, and Allaah alone. Thus, the primary purpose in reflection upon the creation is to acknowledge that none has the right to be worshipped except Allaah alone, and not to merely affirm that He is the creator and originator.
So when we are involved in the discussion of the existence of a creator, we need to bear these things in mind.
By abu iyaad amjad bin muhammad
rafiq
His statement:
"nothing that exists (suchs as me) can cause something to begin to exist"
Knocking the knees off his statement:
Q: did you exist before your mother gave birth to you?
A: no
Q: did you exist after your mother gave birth to you?
A: yes
theres more ways to this.. theres a room with you, some tools and a tree inside it.. there is no chair within the existence of the room.. you make a chair out of the tree.. there now is a chair existing within the room..
In order to help the second example sink in.. you might want to read up on a couple of definitions..
Definition of existence: the fact or state of living or having objective reality
Definition of existing: in existence or operation at the current time.
honestly i cant believe these idiots feel like they have achieved something with such silly and incoherent sentences.. i mean just because you string a bunch of words together does not mean you have given them a logical standing..
Since I generally make the effort to be a civil and pleasant chap I shall ignore and excuse the fact that you've called me an idiot and made a huge generalisation, and shall instead address your response.
So, we should begin by the fact that you've not quoted what I actually said. My argument is that "nothing which exists can cause something nonexistent (specifically matter which is nonexistent) to begin existing". Now, you are correct to some degree that the intangible qualities that make me, Jacob, would not exist were it not for my mother. However, I am referring to matter (something I admit, I should have been clearer with). Now, although my consciousness didn't exist before my conception, the matter that is me did. You can listen to Neil degrasse tyson explaining fascinatingly how we are composed of stardust. There is also the more basic explanation that technically, my mother did not directly cause my existence. Rather, she produced a cell which would eventually become me. She did not just conjure up matter from nothing. To use your other example, yes, the chair technically did not exist as a chair before being crafted, but the matter that composes it did. So it was not caused from non-existent matter. Thus, your example is not soundly analogous to God creating the universe from nothing. Anyway, I'm glad we've established all that. Now, since I didn't actually complete my argument in the video, I'll do it for you now.
1) we dealt with it just above.
2) therefore anything (any matter) which begins to exist was not caused to exist by something existent (unless that something fashioned it out of something else)
3) the universe began to exist. (this actually is not necessarily true, but because religious people use it in the Kalam argument, I'm repeating it here).
4) thus, the universe was not caused to exist by anything that exists.
5) so God does not exist.
Now, the only way you can sensibly defeat this argument is by denying point number 3. But, if you deny that, then you admit the Kalam argument is invalid, since you admit the universe may not have begun to exist.
THE ATHEIST BELIEVE THERE IS NO GOD BUT ISLAM CONFIRM THE SAY AS THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH. THAT IS THE DIFFERENT. LAA ILAHA ILLALLAH. MUHAMMADAR RASULLULLAH.
''Oh my god''
The thing that irritates atheists is when you turn the tables on them..
When they ask how can you be certain of a Creator existing when you can’t observe him? we can ask them how are you certain that a thing called “gravity” exists? you can’t see gravity and you can’t touch gravity so how do you know it exists? of course they’ll say we see the effects of gravity like it’s a smart answer lol they just dig a bigger hole for themselves
Wrong again I'm afraid. You can't really turn the tables on an atheist since, concerning god, the burden of proof does not lie with us (as you seem to recognise). Of course, you can switch things round when you change the topic from God to gravity, but then it's not an issue of theism and atheism anymore is it? If you ask me how I know gravity exists, I'm not sure why you think I will be irritated by you. I will simply say the theory of gravity explains the law of gravity pretty well, and that it is a testable proposal with a good degree of evidence. Quite how you think this is atheists digging a bigger hole for ourselves, I'm not too sure.
They always like to throw dreams and crazy theories just to reject all the designs around and within us, may Allah guide them
LOL im Not 100% sure of anything.
"oh my god"
You realise that's a common saying, right? And that I basically just said it to avoid swearing on camera? I mean if you'd really prefer, I could've said "oh for fuck's sake", but I thought I'd at least try and be polite lol
Auto pintar klo dengar Manshoor ngomong. MashaAllah 😎😎🇮🇩
His an atheist and yet I just heard him say ‘O my God’...
You realise that's a common saying, right? And that I basically just said it to avoid swearing on camera? I mean if you'd really prefer, I could've said "oh for fuck's sake", but I thought I'd at least try and be polite lol
these people learn from heedless people and wonder why they can only waffle on till confusion
The young man threw in a cocktail of theories and it all became a bit of a messy mass!
Psudeo science. Zero evidence
I apologise for getting too technical. I assured Mansur at the end I would try and speak in plainer terms in the future.
@@redx11x I'm sorry you feel that way. Would you like me to provide some evidence here for you now?
@@jacobvg3204 Hi Jacob, that would be great as much of theortical physics that is put out there tends to be based on bullcrap. Ill try my best to read and understand it, and i will have a look to see if there is anything on the "notevenwrong" blog about it.
@@redx11x Thanks for the reply, good on you for being open minded. I should first tell you though, that I have no love for pseudoscience either, and I will never make a claim that cannot be backed at least by some degree of reason.
LOL Poor atheist if bro Shabir Yusuf is there you will get your answer in the fist minute you say I’m not 💯 percent sure of anything.
after quran sent man can not follow gods all old book and rejected so heaven only for muslim nation law of quran
He looks like karl
Easy win on Atheist : We Muslim don't believe in God too. Because our very testament said There is no GOD but ALLAH. so we don't subscribe to any God because we don't believe them. We only submit to ALLAH. The creator The originator, The ultimate Power.
You're saying Muslims don't believe in God? Allah is simply Arabic for God, yes? Are we talking about the same Islam here?
@@jacobvg3204 the meaning is "there is no one worthy of worship in truth, except for Allah the Almighty" All false deities are negated first - this includes our desires, whims, other peoples' opinions, man made laws and statues or talismans that have no power over us. We ask Allah for help alone, not just 'a god or goddess' because Allah is above these false attributes of having a sex or family
Atheist :: "Everything is possible except god". Hahahaha
Never actually said that God was impossible, please watch the video.
@@jacobvg3204 therefore you claim to be an agnostic and not atheist
@@user-el6xm2pk7x I should clear things up. I'm both. Atheism means a lack of belief in God or gods. Therefore it is simply stating "I don't believe your claim that God exists". It is NOT making the positive assertion that "there is no God". Nobody can be 100% either way, and anyone who tells you they are is lying to you. Agnostic, on the other hand, is not a claim to belief/disbelief, but a claim to knowledge. Agnostics will (correctly) say, we're not sure. Thus my position is both: I reject the claim by believers that God exists (because the burden of proof lies on them), and I don't claim with absolute certainty that God doesn't exist. Hope that's clarified it for you.
Jacob VG
Some of the comments in the comment section may be really insulting, just forget them, it is not our Islamic way to do that.
May I ask, would you accept that there is a necessary existence? And not only possible existences.
Jacob VG hello, i recommend you check out the book by Mohammed Hijab “Kalam Cosmological Arguments”
literally 30 seconds in the athiest says oh my god
You realise that's a common saying, right? And that I basically just said it to avoid swearing on camera? I mean if you'd really prefer, I could've said "oh for fuck's sake", but I thought I'd at least try and be polite lol
‘Oh my god’ is common parlance. It’s an exclamation. In this case god is merely a word. It could be anything.
We know it's a word but what does the word God mean...?🧐
It can mean many things in differing contexts
Biochemical 🤪 mix the chemicals then and form some kind of life.
The have the matter, but can't see or play with god superior energy Spirit/consciousness
Mansur calm first (;
Woah.
Masya Alloh islam to one goodn one kitab holy Qur'an your redin Qur'an surah Maryam ok
If he didnt believe in god why he say oh my God,these guys read a book come to the park yes this theory is true this guy so confused his actually has confused himself looool
The fact that my saying omg is your best argument, suggests the case for your god is weak. As has been pointed out many times, this is a common saying to express surprise, disappointment etc. A reflection of social attitude rather than belief. Yes, believe it or not, I read books. I think if you watch it again and read some of the comments, it's the Muslims who were confused! Peace
@@jacobvg3204 theres no confusion something can't come out of nothing its that simple when you over think question the question and the question you will never get the answer because you dont like the answer,it will always be the question.nobody can prove something came out of nothing it cant be proving
@@suleymankamran1161 Actually, it's a distinct possibility that something can come from nothing. Of course, you have an arbitrary concept of nothing. If you mean nothing as in no energy, then technically the universe exists as nothing. If you mean some vaccum prior to the big bang, that may or may not be nothing. Of course, the most obvious thing to point out is that I haven't said here that I believe for certain something came from nothing. I just dismiss religious claims of God's existence (partly because I don't see how a creator can just magic something from nothing into existence). Both seem incomprehensible, it's true, but your option is more so, and mine is open to other possibilities.
@@jacobvg3204 it's only God who can make something out of nothing.thats why his God.
@@suleymankamran1161 I'm glad we've established our grounds. I just reject that claim. I also find it absurd that you start by saying something can't come from nothing, yet have concluded your argument by saying that there IS one condition under which something can come from nothing. Do you see how this is circular reasoning, my friend? I'd be interested in seeing what proof you actually have for this god that is supposedly excused from the principle of sufficient reason.
Lol that kid made no sense to himself but ik glad I've learned something from him. ALHAMDULLILAH for Islam
I think I made quite perfect sense to myself, I'm sorry you disagree. Perhaps you could elaborate on what exactly?
@@jacobvg3204 you mentioned you don't believe in an eternal universe which makes absolute sense but you didn't dismiss it as false, why is that? If the universe is finite and eternal then surely a contradiction can never be true, so why did you not dismiss it?
@@TheScritzCure You don't have to know something is absolutely false in order not to believe it. If you have no good reason to believe either the claim that it is false or that it is true, you can choose not to believe either claim.
Br mansur looking hella cross eyed
Wow a decent atheist who can listen and have a discussion. Hope the young atheist will have hidayah and set aside his biased. amiin