I currently have the 533 and the smaller tank version with the same burner, the 442. I have used the MSR products as well over the last decades in snowy conditions while teaching igloo construction and winter shelter building. While doing so, quite a few students brought a variety of lightweight backpacking types. My final analysis has been that the Coleman stoves - despite the bulk and weight, are superior in the sense that they simply don't break. There are no parts to lose, no tool kit is required, no extra fuel container since the 533 - or earlier 502 - carries enough fuel for at least six meals. I have gotten as many as twelve complete meals from one tank of fuel withe 533. Somewhat less with the 442, but the latter stove is more compact. To me, the only real advantage with the MSR is the low weight and low bulk, but if I absolutely had to depend on a simple and reliable stove, I'd sacrifice the weight restrictions and take a Coleman. Boil time means nothing to me.
The coleman is far better than the msr, ive used colman in all extreams of weather, never fails me, had mine over 20years a bit battered and rusty but still going strong, store mine full of fuel in a simple cloth bag, can easily cook 6 meals and boil kettel half a dozen times or more.
I have the 442 and the 550B. The 442 has the same burner as the 533 but with a taller but lesser diameter fount (tank). It's about 10 oz lighter than the 533, and burns just as well. The 550B has a smaller tank than the 442 but a redesigned burner that runs hotter and allows for the use of kerosene with an optional kero generator that will also burn unleaded gas/petrol or Coleman fuel/white gas. The 550B weighs within a couple ounces of the XGK with fuel bottle, starts almost instantly, burns hotter, and stores and carries in a more compact package (one padded stuff sack 5" x 5.5" / 125mm x 140mm). Of course, like all modern Coleman stoves, the 550B starts almost instantly and you don't have to let fuel burn for a while to prime it.
I watched this video, using the video timeline to compare performance. The MSR took 2 minutes from initial prime (after pumping) until you turned the valve on to fire the burner, and another 30 seconds before the flame settled down and could be used for cooking. In that same time you started the 533, started it again because you turned ut off, and pumped it. You ciuld have started boiling water on the 533 at least 2 minutes before the MSR was ready... and the Coleman still beat the MSR by 20 seconds. In short you could have had boiling water on the 533 before you could put the pot on the MSR. Also, which one of these would you use inside a tent on a rainy day? The prime of the MSR threatens to burn up your tent. Re multifuel, I have run my Colemans on 25% kero 75% white gas, and a 50:50 mix, and they work above freezing temperatures... but if there are cars and motorcycles around there's unleaded gas which also works. The 533 is the only Coleman single burner stove still in production, but used 550s that run on gas or kero are out there, and so is the smaller 440 (gas only]. I have the Whisperlite International multifuel stove as well as several Coleman single burner stoves... and the Coleman is just a better all around stove for all but the most extreme conditions.
I agree. Even in extreme conditions wtf you you want to dick around waiting 2-3 minutes just to get started. Also you have to take off your gloves and play around and screw everything together with cold metal parts. If it's actually extreme like -40 celcius I would freeze my hands and want my heat asap thank you. I'd carry the extra 6 oz or whatever lol. Some things are absolutely good weight
In the late 1970's, I bought a MSR GK (forerunner to the XGK) multi-fuel stove while serving with the US Army Special Forces in Europe. Best liquid fuel stove I've ever owned, and I've owned serveral, including the Coleman stove, and used many. I used the MSR GK on +14,000' mountain tops, above the artic circle, every winter, and in the middle east and north African deserts for weeks and for months at a time. I have burned white gas, unleaded and leaded gas (have to do a lot of cleaning to get the lead out of the fuel line), Naphtha, kerosene, aviation fuel, and diesel (don't recommend diesel unless you have no other choice) without any issues. I still have and use the stove. I highly recommend this stove for mountaineering and winter camping. The fuel bottle and stove is a lot heavier than canister stoves, but if you're going where cannisters are hard to find and need a liquid fuel stove, you cannot beat the MSR XGK-EX.
With the coleman feather 443 you dont need earplugs. The msr doesn't come with silence cap. But Msr service is top. Coleman parts and service sucks in The Netherlands.
I feel like I've watched dozens of these stove tests now. Every single one of them is like let's see which one boils water the fastest. So, one boils water 5 seconds faster than the other one...big deal! If you're actually going to cook on a burner like this it's beneficial to have one that has good adjustability and can simmer. I NEVER see anyone demonstrate THAT! :-(
The xgk isn't good for simmering. I would guess that the reason why they mostly boil water is because so much food taken out on mountains is boil-in-the-bag type meals. That and a regular job for these stoves is melting snow.
Thanks...this demo provides the sounds, workflow, functionality and performance between these two vendors. Coleman for me...simple and proven. I wish you would have compared the weight of the tanks + fuel + total weight. Great, thanks again
Had my Coleman for years maybe 30 or more use it for motorcycle camping it is ace. Spare fuel I carry a length of plastic pipe and have an endless supply on the bike. Bulky I can't deny . Cheers for the video 👍👍
The MSR stoves, with a fuel tank, repair kit, heat reflector and windshield are not really that much smaller or lighter than the Coleman single burner stoves. I dug out my Coleman Peak 1, 400 series stove that was unused for over 20 years. It fired right up filled with Coleman Fuel (Naptha) that was bought in the 1980's. The Coleman stoves are extremely reliable. They are a definite alternative to the MSR.
I love the coleman for car camping. It really doesn't need to be pumped that much. You can simmer on it if you only pump it 12 times and resist the urge to pump it more.
I have both of these stoves and the Coleman is so easy to deal with... I want to like the XGK but it's so loud... Oh well, one day I might need to melt snow, so I'll keep it.
Yes. That is a very nice video. My question is can the MSR use petrol like the Coleman can? On an overnight visit to the woods the MSR is a great choice but if you are walking for a month or more you may want more options. White gas or camping fuel can get devilishly expensive. Gasoline here is way under $2.00 a gallon. Some of us need to watch our pennies due to the virus and work being limited. Just a thought.
Coleman: 1 sec to ignite and warm up + 2 min to boil = 2min 1 sec total. MSR: 2mins to ignite and warm up + 2 mins ?? sec to boil = 4 mins ?? sec total. Therefore I say that the Coleman boils water 2 minutes QUICKER than the MSR. But at the end of the day, who cares... You are outdoors to relax and enjoy yourself - don't stress over 2 minutes of your life, or whether you have the 'best' brand gear. Just buy whatever suits your particular needs and then turn your attention back to enjoying nature.
Never use unleaded petrol in a stove. Find a motor trade source of spray-shop supplies and ask for 'Panel Wipe'. It is the same stuff as Coleman fuel, pure petroleum spirit, aka 'white gas'. I do have an early Coleman 502, the grandfather of the 533. It flares for a while & will settle down to a steady blue flame when the burner is hot enough. It was a pleasant surprise that the Coleman beat the MSR stove. But the MSR XGK stove shows its advantage in wind. A roarer burner is more stable if somewhat anti-social. Your neighbours will think they pitched their tents under the flight-path of a major airport.
I have been using Coleman Stoves 40+ years they are low maintenance great performance they don't come with a maintenance kit about the only thing can go wrong is a generator they usually give you a warning
Hi, are you using the Coleman with unleaded gasoline? It is dangerous? I have just bought one and works properly but I have some concern on using gas, because I can feel that the deposit gets warm when cooking, Thanks for your help!
Manuel Viale Coleman fuel is of choice I have used unleaded in a pinch without any problems I have used numerous other stoves without much problem but keep going back to Coleman they just work
The only thing I have heard is that Coleman stoves don't light well in colder weather. I think this may be true of the older models. I have a Scout 533 and have had no bad experiences using it. Good vid.
i have collected and used more stoves and lanterns then anyone here: MSR is a great stove for a backpacker becuase of waight and reliability BUT MSR stoves tend to use A LOT of Orings and they don't sell then individually so there is a high revolving price to be paid. the Coleman 502's and above are by far more reliable and repairable in field. if you are motorcycle/truck based traveling or home based preparedness....get the coleman stove. its wiaght is its only issue
@@MrNetnic as i stated the 502 is a better stove if used often and depended on. MSR is great for lightwt backing trip. Perhaps u are unaware of supply shortages and also cheap chinese 'hardware store' orings are not thesame quality as MSR's.
The Coleman is really too bulky for me backpacking. I’ve used it that way. Since I hike in warmer weather I got a Jetboil mighty mo (like a pocket rocket) burner. Sometimes a trangia 27
Excellent video! The MSR Whisperlite International is a good alternative as it works very well, is cheaper than the XGK EX and is also very quiet, although one of the biggest problems is the lack of simmering with many liquid fuel stoves unless there is a control valve directly beneath the burner!
the Coleman is a great car/cycle/canoe stove. MSR stoves are good backpackers but have limitations in the spare parts area. both great but MSR is more of a niche stove. if you can handle the bulk, the coleman 502 types are the best do-all single burner. not a porche but definatly Corolla reliablity and will get you home fatter then you left!
It does seem rather surprising the Coleman beat the MSR. If each stove had run for the same time before you put the pan on would it favour the MSR stove? I only use a single pan and cool it down under a cold tap. Boil tests are fun to conduct when it's a foul day & you aren't going to be going anywhere. The only Coleman stove I have is a far older 502. It looks like the 533 has a wider burner. The 502 has a proper shut-off valve similar to their lanterns after the monumental cock-up that was the Coleman 501.
@@davidslate2005 you can simmer at any level of pressure in the tank, you have to close the valve then raise it to simmer, they never amended the manual to explain this, its actually controls very linear if you do this. unfortunatly few people know this.
bjorn has a point. also the pot shape must be the same. Then a gain, in a controlled environment as your kitchen, only the ideal condition is on the test. In the outdoors, with the wind and cold, priming and burning, the fuel choices, are entirely different matters to consider. Coleman stove is a great stove--it can simmer and works so well in most settings, but it would not perform in all the harsh conditions XGK-EX would. The only drawback of XGK is it's got only on-off burning. It is designed to boil water quickly in just about any condition.
The Coleman has its fuel "bottle" built-in.... so the difference is minimal... And no... you should NOT re-pump the Coleman after its lit and burning as that extra pressure prevents the ability to lower it for simmering... The MSR took quite a while to get to the point where it could actually be used ... that time should be taken into account ... I've used the 533 Coleman for 20 years now & would not change for anything else... caveat, I ALWAYS carry a spare generator tube because when they fail, they fail without ANY warning & the stove is dead-in-the-water.... but even with this risk, I would go with the 533... 2.5 Kilowatts of heat output instantaneously... can't beat that... 😏 😎👍☘🍺
the repump is perfectly fine its from the old school way of lighting it just takes 5 to 10 min for the thing to prime correctly and if summer conditions it not important in colder fall and winter conditions yes its important
try turning the coleman to full off then raise it to simmer, it will simmer even if repumped. they never amended the manual to explain this. it becomes really easy to controll the flame if you do it this way, very linear.
yes the coleman simmers fantastic, most people dont know that you have to turn it all the way to off and then slowly raise the flame to simmer, they usually try to lower the flame from high to simmer which will not work. they never amended the manual to explain this.
MGK EX is known for its reliability with multifuel in different weather situations. It will burn really hot with with Kero. Anything heavier may clog up the fuel line, but it is easy unclog. Coleman,on the othe hand, once the generator is clogged with carbon, you will need to blow torch the generator, befoe you can use it. Both a reliable, but Coleman is not expected to perform in extreme weather.
You can run a teaspoon/capful of carb cleaner in a tank of fuel every several fuelings and this isn't a problem. Or, you can unscrew the generator from the burner/valve, run some carb cleaner through the inside, work the wire back and forth just a little, and in a few minutes you're back in business. I'd run a Coleman single burner stove inside a tent with ventilation... wouldn't want to have the open flames from priming the MSR or other similar stove inside a tent unless I was prepared to burn down the tent.
if you are running white gas or clean kero thru a coleman, that gen won't clog for months. and when it does its usually the jet that needs cleaned NOT the whole gen tube. i clean my 502 gen every 5 yrs or so as a preventitive. and never do i 'torch it' like i do for lanterns
The Coleman's starting in cold can be a PITA, but once started it is a efficient stove. As far as size? The Coleman has it's own fuel tank needs little maintenance if at all and it may weigh in a little more but IMO it packs the same size. Personally i use a Peak 1 400 the brown stove with the extra control cleaning needle valve, that thing simmers like the big honking Coleman 502 but half the size. The 502 stove is like a back country gourmet chef's stove. I'm not bashing the XGK i own one and as far as maintenance the stove is stupid simple it's the plastic MSR pumps that never thrilled me.
One thing you should have started the MSR first, and it didn't need that much fuel to prime. The Coleman in normal to cooler temps will always fire up with little priming time.
How much more fuel does the Coleman use? On a long hike or cross country ski tour that is important. the Coleman is faster and easier to use. But heavier and use more fuel. You than have to carry more fuel as well.
Two different pots, not outdoor pots. Coleman's flame ring is wider and disperses the heat from midway to out side the perimeter of the pot base. If you turn the flame down so it's not flaming over the sides it will conserve the fuel. Any flame outside that perimeter is just wasted heat.
QUESTION: FUEL EFFICIENCY? - Did you weigh each stove to check which stove used the largest amount of fuel to boil the water? Or can you do another test to find out? :) I can also add thar the XGK is the stove that produces the least amount of carbonmonoxide, while the Colman produces manu times more (actually the worst amongst all that have been tested). This is something VERY IMPORTANT to consider if you are planning to use the stove inside a tent or other confined spaces ;) Thanks for the video! :)
So in summary the msr is smaller and lighter. The Coleman is quicker to start and boil and not as noisy. If hiking msr. If camping in one place or fishing Coleman. Thanx for the info
For hiking & camping, boil time makes little difference. The Coleman is heavier & bulkier (over 2X the weight of the MSR & fuel bottle), but it's far quicker & simpler (and safer) to light. There's no need for priming, except in very cold weather where fire-paste is applied on the generator tube & lit..
hello, I bought coleman 533 10 days ago, I use unleaded gasoline, I burn the stove by following all instructions, but there is a dark leak under the burner during burning, sometimes it turns into a ball of fire. The leak continues even though I clean the generator, please help
pre heat the stove by pouring "limon kolonyası" on the generator and burning it at least 2 min. Then open the valve just before flame is out. Heated generator turns fuel to gas. Keep pumping until it burns blue flame. Once all the parts are hot, you don't need much pumping because due to the heat the stove becomes self pressurised. I own 442 and 533 they are excellent stoves. I used to have Msr Whisperlite which was all right and my XGK was not that good, I binned the xgk after an expedition. Write me if you need help. Colemans are great stoves, probably the best. What fuel do you use?
The XGK is a mountaineering stove, the Coleman is a camping stove. The test of how fast either can boil water in a garage isn't real world at all. I have both and I would never take the Coleman climbing. For snow melting at altitude, the MSR reactor is the best way to go for one or two people. For a larger group, the XGK would do a larger pot best.
So the MSR is best then? I use mineral spirits normally but with the jet fuel jet I have lit it with diesel and even cooking oil. Harder to light but works great. I would not use gasoline, too dangerous.
White Gas or Coleman's camping fuel is the same as gasoline but without the additives. The MSR was made to burn this cleaner fuel than Unleaded Gasoline but has the ability to burn more kinds of fuel than the Coleman can
@@Djwhitehart the Colenan fuel and white gas are more highly refined than gasoline and burns completely clean unlike gasoline which gives off black smake and toxic fumes. Stoves will become clogged by using gasoline.
The boil tests are approximate even when using the same pots which wasn't the case here. The broader the pot generally the less heat is lost and the construction of the pot does make a difference also with respect to conduction. You could probably reverse the results if you had different pots. You can say that they are in the same ball park so BTU output differences are not significant. The stoves are clearly for quite different use cases too. I like to use kerosene for instance and also if you do run a long time having the fuel under the burner can mean that the fuel tank gets very hot which is not desirable whereas you can run the XGK as long as you have fuel. The XGK can't simmer well, the Coleman can simmer.
There’s much more to it than boiling water and speed. The coleman has a far better burner that can simmer, the heat is more even for cooking with pans.Looks like there is something wrong with your regulator. If you are backpack camping and all you want to do is boil water then go with the lightweight butane stove. doing other things is not so great sine you get a really hot flame in the center of a pan. Many people like to do more than boil water.
i wont use my msr, i find it dangerouse with the hose, it trys to tip over unless there is a heavy pot on it because of the rigid curve in the hose, and its even worse in the cold. The coleman is a littly bulkier, but quieter much more stable and safer, Faster, did i mention cheaper, and it simmers great if you know how to use the valve.
the funny thing is is if he started the water on the coleman whent it was lit and repumped it would have been ready by the time the msr was finished being primed and if it was a race starting from packed coleman wins every time.
I disagree, they where not two different type or size pots. This was a real world test done very well. I'll admit I love the size of the msr stove better. But it's racket is a real down side compared to the Coleman. But as someone pointed out they are two different markets I think. The msr is a backpack stove and the Coleman is a car or emergency home stove. BTW I use a twig stove so I have no dog in this fight.
@@billlyell8322 They WERE two different type and size pots. It does matter that they are alike because this video is all about minutes and seconds it takes the stoves to boil water!!! The MSR stove is much lighter than the Coleman, less bulky and for mountaineers that like to cut on weight they want to carry. I have two Coleman and two MSR Dragonfly. I always like to take the MSR Dragonfly. Retails at $149 for good reason vs Coleman at $39.
Coleman peak and weather stoves are lighter than 533. I have 533 and 550B Them cases are very different size. 4/1.6 litre. I have no any reason to seeking lighter stove.
for one thing to me, there was nothing more annoying than trying to hear you over that jet engine of a stove. I am Canadian and so is Coleman and I would swear by any Product they make over any other!!
The XGK needs extra parts to run diesel or jet fuel. If you're on an expedition you can get gasoline/petrol anywhere in the world that cars or motorcycles operate, and the Coleman runs on those just fine. Coleman made the 550B which had an optional kerosene generator that would let you run on kerosene, JP4, unleaded gas/petrol, or Coleman fuel without changing any parts. And, with the Coleman 550B you can mix those fuels.
There is no perfect stove. These are both winners. Both have their disadvantages too. Kind of unfair to have the Coleman sitting their waiting to boil while the XGK was priming. Time doesn't wait. By the time you got the MSR assembled and primed, the Coleman would have been close to a full boil. BUT.... that's what I mean by "no perfect stove". If your 533 doesn't simmer, it needs a tune up on the cleaning/regulating wire. They can be touchy, but can simmer VERY well and are quiet, even at full power. The XGK's ability to burn damn near anything is a big deal if you are going on a long journey. BOTH are great stoves.
So The Coalman 533 has a wind guard and raised pot stand, No contest. The other unet you have, You will need when you are at 20,000' feet, Gasping for air, So is your stove, But this stove burns hotter. So the bottle fed stove for altitude, Over.
for me no matter what flame size come out ,if it's backpacking the MSR is 100% better for wight and portable issues. also I love Naphtha fuel as I will always know how much I have to work with and I can fill up all tanks and have a full can for extra. those silly Butane and Propane cans are totally unreliable for me. one more observation there was another review on these and this guy had a silencer for those MSR stoves and the noise fell 80% less!!
The 533 is a heavy stove, better suited for base camps and car/motorcycle camping. Coleman also made the 550B, a smaller, lighter stove that compares favorably (2 or 3 ounces heavier) with the MSR when you throw in the bottle and hose for the latter. Yet the 550B burns even hotter than the 533, and will burn Coleman fuel, unleaded gas/petrol, or kerosene (with the optional kero generator... and the stove will burn all three fuels with the kero generator installed but will not be as hot/powerful with Coleman fuel or unleaded gas/petro). The 550B is my stove of choice for backpacking or moto camping.
Two different pots, not outdoor pots. Coleman's flame ring is wider and disperses the heat from midway to out side the perimeter of the pot base. If you turn the flame down so it's not flaming over the sides it will conserve the fuel. Any flame outside that perimeter is just wasted heat.
One thing you should have started the MSR first, and it didn't need that much fuel to prime. The Coleman in normal to cooler temps will always fire up with little priming time.
The Coleman's starting in cold can be a PITA, but once started it is a efficient stove. As far as size? The Coleman has it's own fuel tank needs little maintenance if at all and it may weigh in a little more but IMO it packs the same size. Personally i use a Peak 1 400 the brown stove with the extra control cleaning needle valve, that thing simmers like the big honking Coleman 502 but half the size. The 502 stove is like a back country gourmet chef's stove. I'm not bashing the XGK i own one and as far as maintenance the stove is stupid simple it's the plastic MSR pumps that never thrilled me.
A bit of lit fire paste on the vaporizer tube for a minute should help prime it in cold temperatures. Of course, with the MSR you'll need priming in both hot and cold weather
I currently have the 533 and the smaller tank version with the same burner, the 442. I have used the MSR products as well over the last decades in snowy conditions while teaching igloo construction and winter shelter building. While doing so, quite a few students brought a variety of lightweight backpacking types. My final analysis has been that the Coleman stoves - despite the bulk and weight, are superior in the sense that they simply don't break. There are no parts to lose, no tool kit is required, no extra fuel container since the 533 - or earlier 502 - carries enough fuel for at least six meals. I have gotten as many as twelve complete meals from one tank of fuel withe 533. Somewhat less with the 442, but the latter stove is more compact.
To me, the only real advantage with the MSR is the low weight and low bulk, but if I absolutely had to depend on a simple and reliable stove, I'd sacrifice the weight restrictions and take a Coleman. Boil time means nothing to me.
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The coleman is far better than the msr, ive used colman in all extreams of weather, never fails me, had mine over 20years a bit battered and rusty but still going strong, store mine full of fuel in a simple cloth bag, can easily cook 6 meals and boil kettel half a dozen times or more.
I have the 442 and the 550B. The 442 has the same burner as the 533 but with a taller but lesser diameter fount (tank). It's about 10 oz lighter than the 533, and burns just as well. The 550B has a smaller tank than the 442 but a redesigned burner that runs hotter and allows for the use of kerosene with an optional kero generator that will also burn unleaded gas/petrol or Coleman fuel/white gas. The 550B weighs within a couple ounces of the XGK with fuel bottle, starts almost instantly, burns hotter, and stores and carries in a more compact package (one padded stuff sack 5" x 5.5" / 125mm x 140mm). Of course, like all modern Coleman stoves, the 550B starts almost instantly and you don't have to let fuel burn for a while to prime it.
I watched this video, using the video timeline to compare performance. The MSR took 2 minutes from initial prime (after pumping) until you turned the valve on to fire the burner, and another 30 seconds before the flame settled down and could be used for cooking. In that same time you started the 533, started it again because you turned ut off, and pumped it. You ciuld have started boiling water on the 533 at least 2 minutes before the MSR was ready... and the Coleman still beat the MSR by 20 seconds. In short you could have had boiling water on the 533 before you could put the pot on the MSR.
Also, which one of these would you use inside a tent on a rainy day? The prime of the MSR threatens to burn up your tent. Re multifuel, I have run my Colemans on 25% kero 75% white gas, and a 50:50 mix, and they work above freezing temperatures... but if there are cars and motorcycles around there's unleaded gas which also works. The 533 is the only Coleman single burner stove still in production, but used 550s that run on gas or kero are out there, and so is the smaller 440 (gas only].
I have the Whisperlite International multifuel stove as well as several Coleman single burner stoves... and the Coleman is just a better all around stove for all but the most extreme conditions.
I agree. Even in extreme conditions wtf you you want to dick around waiting 2-3 minutes just to get started. Also you have to take off your gloves and play around and screw everything together with cold metal parts. If it's actually extreme like -40 celcius I would freeze my hands and want my heat asap thank you. I'd carry the extra 6 oz or whatever lol. Some things are absolutely good weight
In the late 1970's, I bought a MSR GK (forerunner to the XGK) multi-fuel stove while serving with the US Army Special Forces in Europe. Best liquid fuel stove I've ever owned, and I've owned serveral, including the Coleman stove, and used many. I used the MSR GK on +14,000' mountain tops, above the artic circle, every winter, and in the middle east and north African deserts for weeks and for months at a time. I have burned white gas, unleaded and leaded gas (have to do a lot of cleaning to get the lead out of the fuel line), Naphtha, kerosene, aviation fuel, and diesel (don't recommend diesel unless you have no other choice) without any issues. I still have and use the stove. I highly recommend this stove for mountaineering and winter camping. The fuel bottle and stove is a lot heavier than canister stoves, but if you're going where cannisters are hard to find and need a liquid fuel stove, you cannot beat the MSR XGK-EX.
The Coleman might've had a boil going by the time you waited for the MSR to finish priming. Gimme the Coleman, hands down... no ear plugs needed.
No kidding. I hate noise. I wear earphones when vacuuming or mowing the lawn. That noise makes it a loser from the start.
I would say if you start timer from unpacking assemble I think the Coleman would take half the time to have boiling water.
true i do like the comeman thanks for watching
With the coleman feather 443 you dont need earplugs. The msr doesn't come with silence cap. But Msr service is top. Coleman parts and service sucks in The Netherlands.
Exactly could have started boling the kettle on the Coleman as soon as it was lit up , the msr took an age lol
@@stevenarkley5666 and the coleman is less expensive also
I feel like I've watched dozens of these stove tests now. Every single one of them is like let's see which one boils water the fastest. So, one boils water 5 seconds faster than the other one...big deal! If you're actually going to cook on a burner like this it's beneficial to have one that has good adjustability and can simmer. I NEVER see anyone demonstrate THAT! :-(
Exactly! Actually cooking versus just boiling water!
The xgk isn't good for simmering. I would guess that the reason why they mostly boil water is because so much food taken out on mountains is boil-in-the-bag type meals. That and a regular job for these stoves is melting snow.
Thanks meltedwellies for demonstrating how the two different burners operate.
Thanks...this demo provides the sounds, workflow, functionality and performance between these two vendors. Coleman for me...simple and proven. I wish you would have compared the weight of the tanks + fuel + total weight. Great, thanks again
Had my Coleman for years maybe 30 or more use it for motorcycle camping it is ace. Spare fuel I carry a length of plastic pipe and have an endless supply on the bike. Bulky I can't deny . Cheers for the video 👍👍
Cheers!
by the time the msr is ready, you could have boiled your water on the coleman
I have these two as well and that is a great comparison. I agree that neither would convince me to get rid of the other.
The MSR stoves, with a fuel tank, repair kit, heat reflector and windshield are not really that much smaller or lighter than the Coleman single burner stoves. I dug out my Coleman Peak 1, 400 series stove that was unused for over 20 years. It fired right up filled with Coleman Fuel (Naptha) that was bought in the 1980's. The Coleman stoves are extremely reliable. They are a definite alternative to the MSR.
I love the coleman for car camping. It really doesn't need to be pumped that much. You can simmer on it if you only pump it 12 times and resist the urge to pump it more.
Very true.
I have both of these stoves and the Coleman is so easy to deal with... I want to like the XGK but it's so loud... Oh well, one day I might need to melt snow, so I'll keep it.
Good video. I like Coleman stove. It is easier to use.
Great review. Thanks. Does the XGK come with ear plugs!?
Not that I know of lol
Yes. That is a very nice video. My question is can the MSR use petrol like the Coleman can? On an overnight visit to the woods the MSR is a great choice but if you are walking for a month or more you may want more options. White gas or camping fuel can get devilishly expensive. Gasoline here is way under $2.00 a gallon. Some of us need to watch our pennies due to the virus and work being limited. Just a thought.
so much for watching "pennies" at $3.40gal! LETS GO BRANDON!
Coleman: 1 sec to ignite and warm up + 2 min to boil = 2min 1 sec total.
MSR: 2mins to ignite and warm up + 2 mins ?? sec to boil = 4 mins ?? sec total.
Therefore I say that the Coleman boils water 2 minutes QUICKER than the MSR.
But at the end of the day, who cares... You are outdoors to relax and enjoy yourself - don't stress over 2 minutes of your life, or whether you have the 'best' brand gear. Just buy whatever suits your particular needs and then turn your attention back to enjoying nature.
I do not believe the Coleman was started, in this video, from a completely cold or room temperature state.
That Coleman is a gas guzzler though. But it’s vicious. I have two of them.
Never use unleaded petrol in a stove. Find a motor trade source of spray-shop supplies and ask for 'Panel Wipe'. It is the same stuff as Coleman fuel, pure petroleum spirit, aka 'white gas'.
I do have an early Coleman 502, the grandfather of the 533. It flares for a while & will settle down to a steady blue flame when the burner is hot enough.
It was a pleasant surprise that the Coleman beat the MSR stove.
But the MSR XGK stove shows its advantage in wind. A roarer burner is more stable if somewhat anti-social. Your neighbours will think they pitched their tents under the flight-path of a major airport.
I have been using Coleman Stoves 40+ years they are low maintenance great performance they don't come with a maintenance kit about the only thing can go wrong is a generator they usually give you a warning
Hi, are you using the Coleman with unleaded gasoline? It is dangerous? I have just bought one and works properly but I have some concern on using gas, because I can feel that the deposit gets warm when cooking, Thanks for your help!
Manuel Viale Coleman fuel is of choice I have used unleaded in a pinch without any problems I have used numerous other stoves without much problem but keep going back to Coleman they just work
Thank you Jerry!
The only thing I have heard is that Coleman stoves don't light well in colder weather.
I think this may be true of the older models.
I have a Scout 533 and have had no bad experiences using it.
Good vid.
Thanks for watching
i have collected and used more stoves and lanterns then anyone here: MSR is a great stove for a backpacker becuase of waight and reliability BUT MSR stoves tend to use A LOT of Orings and they don't sell then individually so there is a high revolving price to be paid.
the Coleman 502's and above are by far more reliable and repairable in field. if you are motorcycle/truck based traveling or home based preparedness....get the coleman stove. its wiaght is its only issue
For Gawds sake, if you need just one o-ring, go and buy one at the bloody hardware store
@@MrNetnic as i stated the 502 is a better stove if used often and depended on. MSR is great for lightwt backing trip. Perhaps u are unaware of supply shortages and also cheap chinese 'hardware store' orings are not thesame quality as MSR's.
I have the MSR XGK, my only complaint is that it sounds like a jet engine on take off... otherwise great stove. Bring ear plugs.
you need a Dawg
Does the MSR come with ear protection?
The Coleman is really too bulky for me backpacking. I’ve used it that way. Since I hike in warmer weather I got a Jetboil mighty mo (like a pocket rocket) burner. Sometimes a trangia 27
Excellent video! The MSR Whisperlite International is a good alternative as it works very well, is cheaper than the XGK EX and is also very quiet, although one of the biggest problems is the lack of simmering with many liquid fuel stoves unless there is a control valve directly beneath the burner!
If you want flame control, get the MSR Dragonfly or the Optimus Optifuel.
the Coleman is a great car/cycle/canoe stove. MSR stoves are good backpackers but have limitations in the spare parts area. both great but MSR is more of a niche stove. if you can handle the bulk, the coleman 502 types are the best do-all single burner. not a porche but definatly Corolla reliablity and will get you home fatter then you left!
Please tell me LxWxH of 533 stove. I want to put it in my bikes panniers.
It does seem rather surprising the Coleman beat the MSR.
If each stove had run for the same time before you put the pan on would it favour the MSR stove?
I only use a single pan and cool it down under a cold tap. Boil tests are fun to conduct when it's a foul day & you aren't going to be going anywhere.
The only Coleman stove I have is a far older 502. It looks like the 533 has a wider burner.
The 502 has a proper shut-off valve similar to their lanterns after the monumental cock-up that was the Coleman 501.
Coleman won by a mile,much quicker if you had placed the pans on both of them after fire was lit.
And he over pumped it. You can't simmer when you over pressurize the tank. Learn your equipment.
@@davidslate2005 you can simmer at any level of pressure in the tank, you have to close the valve then raise it to simmer, they never amended the manual to explain this, its actually controls very linear if you do this. unfortunatly few people know this.
bjorn has a point. also the pot shape must be the same.
Then a gain, in a controlled environment as your kitchen, only the ideal condition is on the test.
In the outdoors, with the wind and cold, priming and burning, the fuel choices, are entirely different matters to consider.
Coleman stove is a great stove--it can simmer and works so well in most settings, but it would not perform in all the harsh conditions XGK-EX would. The only drawback of XGK is it's got only on-off burning. It is designed to boil water quickly in just about any condition.
The Coleman has its fuel "bottle" built-in.... so the difference is minimal...
And no... you should NOT re-pump the Coleman after its lit and burning as that extra pressure prevents the ability to lower it for simmering...
The MSR took quite a while to get to the point where it could actually be used ... that time should be taken into account ...
I've used the 533 Coleman for 20 years now & would not change for anything else... caveat, I ALWAYS carry a spare generator tube because when they fail, they fail without ANY warning & the stove is dead-in-the-water.... but even with this risk, I would go with the 533... 2.5 Kilowatts of heat output instantaneously... can't beat that... 😏
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the repump is perfectly fine its from the old school way of lighting it just takes 5 to 10 min for the thing to prime correctly and if summer conditions it not important in colder fall and winter conditions yes its important
try turning the coleman to full off then raise it to simmer, it will simmer even if repumped. they never amended the manual to explain this. it becomes really easy to controll the flame if you do it this way, very linear.
Surprising result. My guess is that if the Coleman is chewing through fuel more quickly than the MSR, it's putting out more BTU's!
Same question here
i would agree it chews through fuel faster but because it runs for a shorter time it likely uses less overall.
If properly adjusted, the Coleman simmers very well - it is not hard to do !!!
I have used my Coleman 533 for 30 years, and I love it.
yes the coleman simmers fantastic, most people dont know that you have to turn it all the way to off and then slowly raise the flame to simmer, they usually try to lower the flame from high to simmer which will not work. they never amended the manual to explain this.
MGK EX is known for its reliability with multifuel in different weather situations. It will burn really hot with with Kero. Anything heavier may clog up the fuel line, but it is easy unclog. Coleman,on the othe hand, once the generator is clogged with carbon, you will need to blow torch the generator, befoe you can use it. Both a reliable, but Coleman is not expected to perform in extreme weather.
You can run a teaspoon/capful of carb cleaner in a tank of fuel every several fuelings and this isn't a problem. Or, you can unscrew the generator from the burner/valve, run some carb cleaner through the inside, work the wire back and forth just a little, and in a few minutes you're back in business. I'd run a Coleman single burner stove inside a tent with ventilation... wouldn't want to have the open flames from priming the MSR or other similar stove inside a tent unless I was prepared to burn down the tent.
@@johnclifford1911 That's a good idea, to run carb cleaner. I shall try it. Thanks.
if you are running white gas or clean kero thru a coleman, that gen won't clog for months. and when it does its usually the jet that needs cleaned NOT the whole gen tube. i clean my 502 gen every 5 yrs or so as a preventitive. and never do i 'torch it' like i do for lanterns
The Coleman's starting in cold can be a PITA, but once started it is a efficient stove.
As far as size? The Coleman has it's own fuel tank needs little maintenance if at all and it may weigh in a little more but IMO it packs the same size.
Personally i use a Peak 1 400 the brown stove with the extra control cleaning needle valve, that thing simmers like the big honking Coleman 502 but half the size.
The 502 stove is like a back country gourmet chef's stove.
I'm not bashing the XGK i own one and as far as maintenance the stove is stupid simple it's the plastic MSR pumps that never thrilled me.
One thing you should have started the MSR first, and it didn't need that much fuel to prime.
The Coleman in normal to cooler temps will always fire up with little priming time.
thank you very much for the suggest. i'll be in south America for cyclotouring and i'm just wondering wich is the best stove. Thank for the contest
Your very welcome thanks for watching
How much more fuel does the Coleman use? On a long hike or cross country ski tour that is important. the Coleman is faster and easier to use. But heavier and use more fuel. You than have to carry more fuel as well.
Two different pots, not outdoor pots.
Coleman's flame ring is wider and disperses the heat from midway to out side the perimeter of the pot base.
If you turn the flame down so it's not flaming over the sides it will conserve the fuel.
Any flame outside that perimeter is just wasted heat.
Wondering if you have tried this in 15* weather
if the coleman consumes more fuel per unit time, then it produces more btu's in that time. More btu's = faster boil times.
never thought of that thanks very much and thanks for watching
QUESTION: FUEL EFFICIENCY? - Did you weigh each stove to check which stove used the largest amount of fuel to boil the water? Or can you do another test to find out? :)
I can also add thar the XGK is the stove that produces the least amount of carbonmonoxide, while the Colman produces manu times more (actually the worst amongst all that have been tested).
This is something VERY IMPORTANT to consider if you are planning to use the stove inside a tent or other confined spaces ;)
Thanks for the video! :)
they say you shouldn't use any stove in a tent due to asphyxiation
So in summary the msr is smaller and lighter. The Coleman is quicker to start and boil and not as noisy. If hiking msr. If camping in one place or fishing Coleman. Thanx for the info
Plus, the MSR has way more fuel options and packs smaller
Can the msr liquid stoves also simmer
Wow, MSR is so noisy, I go camping to relax, all that noise is annoying. Thanks for the video.
For hiking & camping, boil time makes little difference. The Coleman is heavier & bulkier (over 2X the weight of the MSR & fuel bottle), but it's far quicker & simpler (and safer) to light. There's no need for priming, except in very cold weather where fire-paste is applied on the generator tube & lit..
Black absorbs more heat than white. You should do the test with the same pot.
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hello, I bought coleman 533 10 days ago, I use unleaded gasoline, I burn the stove by following all instructions, but there is a dark leak under the burner during burning, sometimes it turns into a ball of fire.
The leak continues even though I clean the generator, please help
pre heat the stove by pouring "limon kolonyası" on the generator and burning it at least 2 min. Then open the valve just before flame is out. Heated generator turns fuel to gas. Keep pumping until it burns blue flame. Once all the parts are hot, you don't need much pumping because due to the heat the stove becomes self pressurised. I own 442 and 533 they are excellent stoves. I used to have Msr Whisperlite which was all right and my XGK was not that good, I binned the xgk after an expedition. Write me if you need help. Colemans are great stoves, probably the best. What fuel do you use?
@@3elmas thank yoou
The XGK is a mountaineering stove, the Coleman is a camping stove. The test of how fast either can boil water in a garage isn't real world at all. I have both and I would never take the Coleman climbing. For snow melting at altitude, the MSR reactor is the best way to go for one or two people. For a larger group, the XGK would do a larger pot best.
thanks for the info, ATB
So the MSR is best then? I use mineral spirits normally but with the jet fuel jet I have lit it with diesel and even cooking oil. Harder to light but works great. I would not use gasoline, too dangerous.
i like both and still have them thanks for watching
White Gas or Coleman's camping fuel is the same as gasoline but without the additives. The MSR was made to burn this cleaner fuel than Unleaded Gasoline but has the ability to burn more kinds of fuel than the Coleman can
@@Djwhitehart the Colenan fuel and white gas are more highly refined than gasoline and burns completely clean unlike gasoline which gives off black smake and toxic fumes.
Stoves will become clogged by using gasoline.
The boil tests are approximate even when using the same pots which wasn't the case here. The broader the pot generally the less heat is lost and the construction of the pot does make a difference also with respect to conduction. You could probably reverse the results if you had different pots. You can say that they are in the same ball park so BTU output differences are not significant. The stoves are clearly for quite different use cases too. I like to use kerosene for instance and also if you do run a long time having the fuel under the burner can mean that the fuel tank gets very hot which is not desirable whereas you can run the XGK as long as you have fuel. The XGK can't simmer well, the Coleman can simmer.
The Coleman is from a different era.
But there is a problem and that's the color of the pots. White is less efficient than the black one.
I really like the Coleman, it's very Brunelian.
MSR for me.
There’s much more to it than boiling water and speed. The coleman has a far better burner that can simmer, the heat is more even for cooking with pans.Looks like there is something wrong with your regulator. If you are backpack camping and all you want to do is boil water then go with the lightweight butane stove. doing other things is not so great sine you get a really hot flame in the center of a pan. Many people like to do more than boil water.
Yes I cook all sorts outdoors on different cookers, thanks for watching ATB
i wont use my msr, i find it dangerouse with the hose, it trys to tip over unless there is a heavy pot on it because of the rigid curve in the hose, and its even worse in the cold. The coleman is a littly bulkier, but quieter much more stable and safer, Faster, did i mention cheaper, and it simmers great if you know how to use the valve.
Yes I love the colemans, but my lad's pinched it! The MSR went into flames last time, I use a Fire Maple now
With all the fuse with the Msr find the nearest garage can.
the funny thing is is if he started the water on the coleman whent it was lit and repumped it would have been ready by the time the msr was finished being primed and if it was a race starting from packed coleman wins every time.
For accuracy you must have used same pot for boiling on both stoves
I disagree, they where not two different type or size pots. This was a real world test done very well. I'll admit I love the size of the msr stove better. But it's racket is a real down side compared to the Coleman. But as someone pointed out they are two different markets I think. The msr is a backpack stove and the Coleman is a car or emergency home stove. BTW I use a twig stove so I have no dog in this fight.
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They WERE two different type and size pots.
It does matter that they are alike because this video is all about minutes and seconds it takes the stoves to boil water!!!
The MSR stove is much lighter than the Coleman, less bulky and for mountaineers that like to cut on weight they want to carry.
I have two Coleman and two MSR Dragonfly. I always like to take the MSR Dragonfly. Retails at $149 for good reason vs Coleman at $39.
Coleman peak and weather stoves are lighter than 533. I have 533 and 550B Them cases are very different size. 4/1.6 litre. I have no any reason to seeking lighter stove.
No match, I go camping for peace, don't need or want jet engine sounds. 533 only
sorry to say you over pressurised the Colemans, hence it burns to much fuel, & simmering becomes impossible
for one thing to me, there was nothing more annoying than trying to hear you over that jet engine of a stove. I am Canadian and so is Coleman and I would swear by any Product they make over any other!!
Hi from uk yep stove is a bit loud i have just fitted a Damper on it ,much better thanks for watching
How much lighter is the MSR system when you consider you need the aluminum bottle too?
About the samefor the XGK, the dragonfly bottle is larger weighs about a pound, full, I think ATB
Needs a kit, needs assembly, seems like a pain in the arse to me. I know my choice regardless of the winner.
How'd the Coleman go with Diesel or jet fuel?
Oh right, unlike the XGK it isn't a multi-fuel expedition stove.
The XGK needs extra parts to run diesel or jet fuel. If you're on an expedition you can get gasoline/petrol anywhere in the world that cars or motorcycles operate, and the Coleman runs on those just fine. Coleman made the 550B which had an optional kerosene generator that would let you run on kerosene, JP4, unleaded gas/petrol, or Coleman fuel without changing any parts. And, with the Coleman 550B you can mix those fuels.
There is no perfect stove. These are both winners. Both have their disadvantages too. Kind of unfair to have the Coleman sitting their waiting to boil while the XGK was priming. Time doesn't wait. By the time you got the MSR assembled and primed, the Coleman would have been close to a full boil. BUT.... that's what I mean by "no perfect stove". If your 533 doesn't simmer, it needs a tune up on the cleaning/regulating wire. They can be touchy, but can simmer VERY well and are quiet, even at full power. The XGK's ability to burn damn near anything is a big deal if you are going on a long journey. BOTH are great stoves.
So The Coalman 533 has a wind guard and raised pot stand, No contest. The other unet you have, You will need when you are at 20,000' feet, Gasping for air, So is your stove, But this stove burns hotter. So the bottle fed stove for altitude, Over.
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for me no matter what flame size come out ,if it's backpacking the MSR is 100% better for wight and portable issues. also I love Naphtha fuel as I will always know how much I have to work with and I can fill up all tanks and have a full can for extra. those silly Butane and Propane cans are totally unreliable for me. one more observation there was another review on these and this guy had a silencer for those MSR stoves and the noise fell 80% less!!
The 533 is a heavy stove, better suited for base camps and car/motorcycle camping. Coleman also made the 550B, a smaller, lighter stove that compares favorably (2 or 3 ounces heavier) with the MSR when you throw in the bottle and hose for the latter. Yet the 550B burns even hotter than the 533, and will burn Coleman fuel, unleaded gas/petrol, or kerosene (with the optional kero generator... and the stove will burn all three fuels with the kero generator installed but will not be as hot/powerful with Coleman fuel or unleaded gas/petro). The 550B is my stove of choice for backpacking or moto camping.
What a joke!
Two different pots, not outdoor pots.
Coleman's flame ring is wider and disperses the heat from midway to out side the perimeter of the pot base.
If you turn the flame down so it's not flaming over the sides it will conserve the fuel.
Any flame outside that perimeter is just wasted heat.
One thing you should have started the MSR first, and it didn't need that much fuel to prime.
The Coleman in normal to cooler temps will always fire up with little priming time.
The Coleman's starting in cold can be a PITA, but once started it is a efficient stove.
As far as size? The Coleman has it's own fuel tank needs little maintenance if at all and it may weigh in a little more but IMO it packs the same size.
Personally i use a Peak 1 400 the brown stove with the extra control cleaning needle valve, that thing simmers like the big honking Coleman 502 but half the size.
The 502 stove is like a back country gourmet chef's stove.
I'm not bashing the XGK i own one and as far as maintenance the stove is stupid simple it's the plastic MSR pumps that never thrilled me.
A bit of lit fire paste on the vaporizer tube for a minute should help prime it in cold temperatures. Of course, with the MSR you'll need priming in both hot and cold weather