Worth noting that Salvatore Leone ended up undone by the paranoia that CJ sewed. CJ betrays him and loses him an insane amount of money, so in LCS he pulls a gun on his right hand man Tony (though luckily he doesn't kill him), and in GTA3 he turns on Claude despite his unwavering loyalty simply because of what Maria (a woman he's no longer in love with) tells him. He became a man who would turn on even the most loyal and trustworthy in his ranks all because of Carl, and I think that's a wild trajectory for his character.
@@wholesome1844crucifier He doesn't trust new and rising members in his crime family. One of the first things CJ tells him about is how he did jobs for Sal's son back in Liberty City. That's how Claude started too (except he didn't leave LC once he got there), and I'm telling you it reminded him too much of someone who stabbed him in the back, so he tried to have Claude killed before he could be a repeat of what CJ did. Not to mention, the fact everyone was literally out to get him in Liberty City Stories didn't help his ability to trust outsiders.
There's also one more thing about the universe that's interesting, which is the downfall of the Forellis. They were the most powerful family in the time of Vice City, but after Tommy killed Sonny, it decreased their power exponentially and gave room for the Sindaccos to run rampant in San Andreas. And after Liberty City Stories, they basically ceased to exist after Toni's actions, save for a few surviving members in GTA 3. To the point where instead of the Forelli Family, they're the Forelli Brothers.
“Ever since Sonny Forelli got himself pasted all over Florida, you think you run things in this town.” Don Salvatore to Johnny Sindacco in the short film “introduction” for GTA San Andreas
I will always point out that Claude managed to tame Catalina for almost a decade, and even managed to make her start acting a lot more feminine, all with the power of his love-making. And the only thing that made her finally turn was the promise of vast wealth. Claude is a mute psychopath, but damn is his game good.
I don't think "tame" is the correct word. I think he just put up with her craziness, because he's pretty much just as insane. Just in more of a chaotic neutral sort of way.
Theres even cut dialogue of Catalina taunting CJ over the walkie talkies during the Farewall My Love race, of which she says “Claude, it’s bigger than the gearstick!” So your interpretation might be legitimately canon
@@TBP Toni Cipriani killed a “wiseguy” = “made man” (probably from another family) for Leone. By the end, he had become a capo and ballooned in weight in GTA III and implied to have taken over the Leone crime family.
The anti-climactic ends or even deaths of so many characters in this shared universe is something I always really liked. There's a dark comedy, and honestly a unique realism, to having these characters who were important in one story just die or get brushed aside in a different story that's set in the same world. Having characters just be universally important across a shared universe is kind of dull, so this approach of characters being important from one perspective but totally disposable from another just makes the world far more dynamic and varied in viewpoints than something like Star Wars for example, where everyone seems to have universal importance.
Right? It’s like they are just, humans. Just that and nothing more, they live and die by the bullet which is so cool as I feel stories nowadays make everyone so important that it’s almost foreign to see “important” characters just die. They are all just human at the end of all the crime another dot in the sky
It’s just how the Gta world works. Everyone seems to be a sociopath as the genetic norm. Anyone who isn’t is seen as a “bleeding heart liberal” Life is completely worthless, mourning is rare, millions of goons give their lives to protect some random guy. I’d say they did a pretty good job of mocking hypercapitalist society.
I think that's why they do it. In real life criminals for the most part don't get a glorious death or ride off into the sunset or even a respectable death like good ending Arthur
I'll say the same thing as the last guy who brought this up, I had an entire minute long chunk of this video dedicated to lazlo, but I ended up cutting it because there was no way to visualize it, and the video was running longer than I wanted it to. I might release it as a short.
@@TBP Plus in connections is much more simple, Started as a intern for Vrock and joke punchline in 1984, went to broadcast school in 1985, became the host of Vrock in 1986, possibly sexually harassed a woman between and moved to San Andreas in 1986 to 1992, after the host gets shot on air he became the host in 1992, moved to Liberty between 1992 to 1998, and became the host of chatter attack for 1998 and 2001, now when we get to the HD era all of that 3D shit stays canon and he is on a downwards spire again
Next to Tommy, I think Kent is my favorite in the 3D universe. Absolute Chad, has a way with words, and to me, is the definition of “I know a guy who knows a guy”. Kent has contacts all over the world it seemed, I wish he was used in the LC games.
Yeah I would love to see a rebooted version of him in GTA VI. Hell, Kent Paul could be our introductory character in GTA VI online, probably introducing us to different crime bosses or other business opportunities.
@@Machete87 so essentially a “chad” is the archetype of “Mr. Cool”; ie, they never take shit from anybody, they usually have a very demanding demeanor, and they more than typically always have a way out of a problem (at least in this certain situation)
Kent Paul is the Muscle Man of the 3D GTA universe. They always know guys who most likely are involved in illegal stuff and serve as a liason to the main characters when they need it.
The real character (rather real person) to be the true anchor of the shared universe is Lazlow Jones, he’s in every game since 3 as either a radio personality or a celebrity in the story
And he won't be in 6, because he left the company along with Houser and Benzies and everyone else who made the PS2 era so special. The golden era of GTA is long gone now, and 6 is gonna suck harder than 4 and 5 combined.
@@VitZ9 I’m aware, and honestly I agree. With 6 being in development hell for 10 years, the founders leaving, some of the best writers leaving, and the fact that 6 is being wayyy overhyped means that it will almost definitely suck when it releases
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One of the major arcs of the series is the downfall of the Forelli Crime Family. Vic Vance kills Forelli hitmen Former Forelli thug Tommy Vercetti starts an organization hostile to them in Vice City and kills their boss and numerous men. CJ kills the new Forelli boss and many more of their men, and steals money from them in a casino heist. Toni Cipriani decimates them and even destroys the neighborhood they're based out of. By the time of Claude's story, they're the "Forelli Brothers" and what's left of them get killed by another violent antihero.
My man rally called Salvatore “Salvador” throughout the whole video. About the Maria dying in GTA3, developers said that she didnt died, they didn’t know how to end the Maria’s talk to put the song on for the credits so they just added a gunshot
Funny how VCS is the last released 3D Universe GTA game while being first chronologically, when GTA 3 is the first released 3D Universe GTA while being last chronologically. Not counting Manhunt games, I believe those two are after GTA 3 chronologically.
"And even though I've gone over for all the big relevant characters there's still far too many minor references and cameos for me to go over" Case in point. In Vice City, the talk show 'VCPR' had a character who was a nudist. He later appeared in GTA III.
While it is interesting to see how all of these characters are connected, it really just kind of leaves you feeling unsatisfied a lot of the time, especially with the characters whose canonical final appearance is in GTA 3, where they not only don’t resemble the characters later games would portray them as, but in a few cases, like with Donald Love, he doesn’t even get a proper sendoff, he just leaves a note saying “goodbye”, and that’s it. It’s such an anti-climax for a cannibal we’ve seen grow from the silent yes man of another politician, to a man on top of his own empire.
@@elchomper.1063 Technically the farthest point in the timeline is GTA2, as that game takes place in a cyberpunk dystopia, and Claude is the main character there. Edit: Okay, so this was written before I even started the video and didn't realize that GTA 1 or 2 weren't talked about, which is weird because both of those games are canon to the PS2 series. I remember Claude being one of GTA1's playable characters and he's the main character of 2 where he's doing what he does best: being a chaotic neutral mercenary working for the highest bidder. Claude Speed for all intents and purposes is GTA's OG protagonist and a part of me wishes he was used more, mostly because I personally love the trope "the almighty janitor".
@@ryguy9876the 1st two GTA games are in a different universe called the 2DU. They are not canonically connected to the 3D Universe. The 3DU games timeline: 1984: Vice City Stories 1986: Vice City 1992: San Andreas 1995: Bully?? 1998: Liberty City Stories 2001: GTA III 2003: Manhunt 2006: Bully?? 2007: Manhunt 2
I mean it's less of an anti-climax if you played 3 first, because then you'd be viewing the characters through "Oh they're fleshing out these characters from GTA III" lens rather than "Well that was an underwhelming ending for that character" So playing GTA III first makes the most sense narratively and mechanically since it's much more simple than its successors.
@@RetroRulzMyTown What aftermath? Nearly every major gang leader or character in the series has been killed off in GTA3, or by the time of GTA3. Also a good portion of Liberty City has been destroyed or turned into a crime scene. They'd be starting almost from scratch with all new characters we don't have any connections with from other 3D era games.
GTA uses mafia terms properly most of the times, so they wouldn't all of suddenly be incorrectly describing CJ as a 'Made Man' in the context of the Italian Mafia.
I remember getting mind blown at how major characters in gta 3 and vice city get mentioned in san andreas, it's like all three games with their own time-line are connected, as for vcs I think rockstar probably didn't really think of vic as a major character in vice city and it was before they came up with the idea to create vcs
Will say one thing I have always found to be interesting is that GTA3 was the only one of the 3D Universe era to be set at the year the game was released so it's set during 2001. This of course is interesting as all the other games are set during time peroids instead. You get Vice City and stories in the 80's, San Andreas during the early 90's and Liberty City Stories in 1998. So this of course means GTA3 is set the furthest in the timeline of the shared 3D universe despite having been the first to come out with of course Vice City Stories being the last 3D Universe game to come out yet being set the earliest in the timeline being set in 1984.. A part of me does wonder what Tommy Verceti and Cj are doing during the events of 3 in 2001
Tbh, the 3D GTA era is among the best gaming universes in existence. It even includes Bully and Manhunt (Carcer City is also mentioned in the HD Universe). The only thing that rather bothers me is the retconning of Phil's military service. In III, Ray Machowski directly states him and Phil served in the Army together in Nicaragua, making them battle buddies. In Vice City, Phil is made out to be an intoxicated, gun fanatic who blew his own arm off. If Rockstar left this backstory intact, I believe Phil and Victor Vance would've had a stronger bond (as both are former soldiers) and Phil would be much more respected in comparison to other characters in the series. Another thing I wonder about is why didn't Salvatore mention Tommy in LCS? Tommy was the catalyst of the downfall of the Forellis and he was the Harwood Butcher (who's to say Tommy didn't want to expand the Vercetti Family to Liberty City?) The only time Tommy is mentioned by name and by deed, outside of Vice City, is in San Andreas
6:34 in GTA 3 Ray Machowski mentioned that he served with Phil in Nicaragua. I know some people speculate that he wasn't in the military but I don't think anyone confirmed that he didn't serve.
"Stealing cars and killing hookers" that's exactly how a friend sold me Vice City when I wasn't even 10 years old 😂 funny how we change, since nowadays, in my 29 years old, I'm more interested in the story and characters than the mayhem I'm allowed to create in the city; making it the main reason why I love GTA IV and its protagonist Niko Bellic so much (Despite GTA Vice City still being my favorite in the franchise)
It just hit me after I saw the gta 6 trailer how Catalina & Claude are kind of similar to the characters in GTA 6. Not by how they look but kind of the same Bonnie & Clyde idea.
it is not 100% sure that Diaz actually set up the ambush in the beginning of vice city. If you look at "An old friend" cutscene where Tommy calls Sonny after the deal went wrong, you can see Sonny has the table full of coke and money. Where does it took that coke from if the idea was that he sends tommy in the south to get involved in the business? It really makes more sense to Sonny setting up the ambush as he wanted to get rid of Tommy, than for Diaz that already had a business and money, had good relationships with the Vance and would have been bad in the long term to make more enemies
Cool video! There's another element that deserves to be mentioned - radio people. Fernando Martinez appears on radio in 3, VC and SA, I'm sure he's not the only one. And, of course, Lazlow is in every game, even becoming an actual character in 5.
I've been replaying the 3D era these last few months (GTA 6 hype and all that), so I've been remembering all these connections, and then you make this vid, feels like you went into my mind, even mentioning the Toni/CJ theory (which I actually believe in). Great content, man P.S. I know you kept only to the big physical appearances in the games, but I think a few radio station cases could be mentioned as well: - Reni's (physical) appearance in VCS, and then being a DJ in LCS - Lazlow going from station intern to DJ to hosting 2 talk shows (as well as crossing over to the HD era) - Fernando Martinez going from reporter to DJ to talk show hijacker to running an affair program (and also crossing over to the HD era)
with stuff like rick and morty, 4-6 different call of duty timelines, and god knows how many batman reboots, it puzzles me why people cant seem to grasp that the GTA games are not all part of the same timeline or universe. III, VC, LCS, VCS, and I think GTA Advance are apart of one, IV, IV' TBOGT and TLAD, Chinatown Wars, V, and VI are apart of another. and Im not sure if they are connected, but GTA and GTA2 are also not part of the first two timelines I mentioned.
Loved the GTA PS2 universe. Phil Cassidy was my favorite. I loved tracking the character’s histories and seeing how they changed so drastically. They turned the evolution of their technology and storytelling into a strength, where characters becoming less nuanced over time is then made a deliberate story choice by setting up their downfalls over time. Like Vic going from principled to a drug mule that gets gunned down immediately or the Forellis going from a legitimate threat to a spec on Liberty’s criminal underworld The recent Hitman trilogy did something very similar for me, that I hadnt felt since the 3D GTA universe. I remember exploring the ICA training level of the first game and hearing talk of the legendary Spy Janus, in a Sapienza biolab a scientist mentioning his brother being taken hostage by the modern day pirate The Maelstrom or Andrea Martinez appearing physically in the Paris map on behalf of the Delgado cartel, which in itself ties back to the PS2 Hitman games. Then in the second game I loved Martinez, Delgado, Janus and The Maelstrom becoming targets The third game definitely stepped down a little from that, what was amazing about the second game was each level was foreshadowed in the first. Reynard in level one was referenced in level four of the first, the Miami level has you taking on the corporation that provided medical equipment in the first game’s Hokkaido, etc. Whereas part three starts with that, the first two levels have you killing targets that appeared in cutscenes in part two, only two more characters (technically three if you count DLC) were set up in the first two games as targets. Tho i do love Don Yates’ backstory, he runs the law firm Morgan, Yates and Kohn so you killing his fellow attorney Ken Morgan makes him have a grudge against you. Heck Ken Morgan in the first game mentions his dog Pickles if you hold him at gunpoint, and The Yates’ adopted the thing according to dialogue! (He got run over by a grape harvester tho RIP Pickles)
In the good ending for Manhunt 2 Daniel is left on the outskirts of San Fierro where his new life and identity begins also Daniel face is modeled after a sketch of The Zodiac Killer other Manhunt references a radio ad in GTA 3 mentions corrupt police chief Gary Schafer is cleared of corruption charges by the court it also mentions missing witnesses GTA Vice Stories has a outfit for Vic that has him dress as a member of The Hoods and in the police stations in San Andreas there are several wanted posters for various gang members from Manhunt there’s also a photo of James Earl Cash in the police I always liked the few references to Manhunt GTA Online adding the iconic Please Stop Me Smiley masks and other masks was great they even added one mask from Manhunt 2 based off one of The Pervs gang members
Manhunt 2 takes place in 2007 which technically makes it the latest game chronologically in the 3D GTA universe. Although Bully's events begin in 2006 and end in 2007, so they probably happen at the same time.
@@nier133 It's not though. It was made by different developers, not R* North, and there is nothing in Manhunt 2 linking it to any of the 3D era GTA games or Manhunt 1. Just because it's running on the same engine doesn't mean it's connected. That's like saying Midnight Club is connected to the R* table tennis game, lol. I swear the MCU has warped an entire generation's mind into thinking everything must belong to a "universe" or "multiverse", even if they have to force them together, and it's getting really old and lame.
@@VitZ9a member of the Red Kings mentions the State of San Andreas and a member of the Bloodhounds mentions a actual manhunt that happened in Carcer City years ago(referencing the events of the first game)
Not going to lie I was hoping Gta 4 was going to explain questions that they never resolved but they rebooted the franchise and started the HD universe even tho I love Niko and the 2 expansions (TLAD & BOGT) I would have liked them to have tied into the 3D universe and have them explain what happened to the Leone Family, did the Triad take over portland, who fired the gun in the end credits, are Claude and Maria still alive if so did they hook up or did Claude kill Maria for causing him all the trouble with the Leone family and the Cartel, fate of the other gangs, and lastly wtf happened to Donald Love
It's crazy that I still get exactly the same feeling that I got when these games were released. Motorbikes still seem new to me. Nostalgia is like a drug
I wish I've a luck of Ken Rosenberg. How many time he fell off and there's still people back him up to the top. I guess his entire arc was about royalty.
I think Rockstar learned not to do any more of those exclusivity deals, because while the Stories games are arguably still to this day some of the best in PSP's catalogue, being stuck only to Playstation consoles kind of killed their sales prospects(had they also been released for other consoles and PC, their sales figures would have been closer to III and VC). On another note, between San Andreas final months of production and LCS release, EA bought Criterion and their engine Renderware which had been the base of 3d era GTA, basically blocking the entire industry from using it and probably why the stories have slightly different physics from the other games. A SA Stories would have to be released before the HD universe began, only a year or maybe 2 after VCS, but by then Rockstar were rushing to complete IV and even had to delay the release to 2008. By 2011/12 when the Vita was released, Rockstar was already preparing for V and it wouldn't make sense to release a game for a universe ended 5/6 years before.
@@davidantonio8798 Also it probably would've cannibalized sales for Manhunt 2, and/or burnt out the public, I mean shit this series was nearly yearly releases
Also in LCS, it explains why Asuka had access to Claude's Fort Stanton safehouse. As in LCS it is Yakusa property as it's where Kazuki lived until Toni kills him and Asuka is part of the Yakusa. (Also Kazuki is Kenji and Asuka's older brothers but he is killed which explains why Kenji takes over.)
Ohhh i would love another video like this one, maybe even more extended, like almost maybe finding connections between the whole gta series, i know that would be difficult but man i would love it
True story, this video originally had a minute long discussion of Lazlo's involvement in the series. But I ended up cutting it because there was no way to visualize it, and the video was already running longer than I wanted it to. I might release that portion of the video as a short.
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Tony Sipriani killing CJ would have been a really neat connection between protagonists in a more interesting and accurate way that, for instance, was Trevor and Johnny
I can’t help but wish that you can fly to liberty city in San Andreas and more of Catalina. I love how the trilogy and stories all go together. Sucks that the newer games don’t tie in at all. 20+ years later and we are still wondering things about these games
nah man, the Phil Cassidy thing was a really bad retcon. Ray even says to Claude in GTA III that him and Phil served in Nicaragua in the mission “Arms Shortage”. Wouldn’t make sense for 2 characters to make this up.
THANK YOU for using clips from the original versions of these games and not the "definitive" remakes. So many videos on these games nowadays just use footage from the remakes, and it's so disgusting to look at. Thank you for using the appropriate footage.
Cinematic universe is explicitly for films and TV. Even shared universe is only really meant for different properties that shouldn't usually be related (think Sonic and Dreams, or Smash Bros). There isn't really a staple term for games in the same franchise that are related, people just expect them to be nowadays. So entries that aren't get the term standalone.
This video was fascinating as someone who is new to the GTA series and your video has convinced me to play the PS2 trilogy for the first time. What order would you recommend I play the three games: chronological or release?
Chronological order is better stating with GTA Vice City Stories,then Vice City -San Andreas- Liberty City Stories - 3 Because some characters died pretty early and only got development in the prequels,but It will come with some problems later because GTA 3 is kinda outdated but ok
As a kid I just played the games but listening and watching this and seeing how rockstar literally made a short story out of most characters starting from GTA 3 and giving backstories good or bad in the other games because all of them was previous years before the GTA 3 2001 year timeline. MIND BLOWN! I really hope GTA does this with the future GTAs.
There is another Character we forgot, and it's name is Reni she makes her Vocal Appearance through Radio in the Flashback FM in Liberty City Stories, until Vice City Stories she made her Full Appearance, but only to be Appeared as a Male wearing Lipstick with White Face and Red, until later when she Visited Dr Horowitz, she is now different, and her Voice sounded the Same as she sounded like from the Radio in Liberty City Stories, we know Vice City Stories took place in 1984, before she went to Liberty City to become the Host of Flashback FM after she been from Europe.
I think Vic is one of the odder things about the Shared Universe, or at least in terms of just VCS. It doesn't really make him at all seem like the same character as the dude in the Vice City intro. Even putting aside they don't really look or sound alike. After all Vic went through and the way he acts at the end, it doesn't make sense why he would go back into the game and in such as seemingly good mood about it. Especially when while he lost all his empire buildings, he probably was still able to keep a decent amount of cash. I think that's one of the main reasons I sometimes see people ignore him being the guy in the VC intro. Everything else about the shared throughline is pretty good, except that.
HD Universe is a reboot but the larger pop culture remains the same. Like that the Arnie parody Jack Howitzer kills a radio host in San Andreas and gets out of prison in V. And never forget Lazlo! GTA5 will be the first game since 3 without him since Lazlo Jones has now left Rockstar...
I remember as a kid, finding a sunkin ship in GTA 3 and trying to see if I could find it in the port of sa lol, then Vice city. I just assumed they were all in the same universe. And I spent hours trying to find what I didn't know at the time was called, easter eggs lol
Reni from gta vcs make an appearance in the radio of gta lcs in flash radio i think, also in liberty city public radio, the lady brings lazlow profile that he was kicked out of vice city and san Andreas and decided to stay in liberty city to start the radio station chatterbox later in gta 3 time line, you won't find chatterbox radio station in liberty city stories, but in the liberty city public radio you'll find his channel there
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The worst thing Rockstar ever done was "reset the timeline" - it was done for the most stupid reason as well. "Oh its HD now so I guess 3D is a different thing" Just BS. There is no reason Tommy or CJ or any other character couldnt appear in GTA 6, this should be retconned and let the timelines merge. This video just proved how great the shared universe was.
I understand your point of view but returning those characters is now impossible without creating plot errors. Look at it like this, in GTA 4, Jon Gravelli, leader of the Gambetti mafia, mentions that he has known the Ancelotti mafia for 73 years, and the game's police files show data that gangs such as the Spanish Lords, the Russian mafia and more organizations They did their operations and many existed before the nineties, so why don't they appear in GTA Liberty City Stories and GTA 3? It would be a very big plot error to return to those characters
I didn't forget lazlo, I just decided to cut the minute long chunk of the video where I talked about him, because there was no visual aid I could have given it, and the video was already getting longer than I would have liked.
Wasn't Toni sort of "majorly betrayed" in LCS? Toni even brings it up in the last cutscene of the final mission. Salvatore Leone promised him a million, but only gave him 500k. After everything Toni's done to help the Leones keep their grip on the city, Salvatore flip-flops and only gives him half of what he promised? It feels a bit like a slap in the face to me.
I feel like the phrase "A slap in the face" describes this perfectly. Unlike Vincenzo backstabbing Toni on two separate occasions, (Tricking Toni into picking up a car being watched by the cops and siccing some chainsaw wielding goons under the guise of a truce) Salvatore outright tells Toni to his face that he's not getting his full reward. It hurts, but it's not like Salvatore's attempting to whack Toni. A slap in the face, if you will. I'd consider Vincenzo's revenge scheme to not be a "Major betrayal" because it's pretty clear that he hates Toni's guts.
Worth noting that Salvatore Leone ended up undone by the paranoia that CJ sewed. CJ betrays him and loses him an insane amount of money, so in LCS he pulls a gun on his right hand man Tony (though luckily he doesn't kill him), and in GTA3 he turns on Claude despite his unwavering loyalty simply because of what Maria (a woman he's no longer in love with) tells him. He became a man who would turn on even the most loyal and trustworthy in his ranks all because of Carl, and I think that's a wild trajectory for his character.
CJ got some laughs out of cluade 😂
youve gotta keep in mind that maria couldnt keep her mouth shut. even if sal personally didnt believe her, he still had save face somehow
@@wholesome1844crucifier He doesn't trust new and rising members in his crime family. One of the first things CJ tells him about is how he did jobs for Sal's son back in Liberty City. That's how Claude started too (except he didn't leave LC once he got there), and I'm telling you it reminded him too much of someone who stabbed him in the back, so he tried to have Claude killed before he could be a repeat of what CJ did.
Not to mention, the fact everyone was literally out to get him in Liberty City Stories didn't help his ability to trust outsiders.
There's also one more thing about the universe that's interesting, which is the downfall of the Forellis. They were the most powerful family in the time of Vice City, but after Tommy killed Sonny, it decreased their power exponentially and gave room for the Sindaccos to run rampant in San Andreas. And after Liberty City Stories, they basically ceased to exist after Toni's actions, save for a few surviving members in GTA 3. To the point where instead of the Forelli Family, they're the Forelli Brothers.
“Ever since Sonny Forelli got himself pasted all over Florida, you think you run things in this town.”
Don Salvatore to Johnny Sindacco in the short film “introduction” for GTA San Andreas
I think you meant vice citys intro @OrthodoxPriest69
@@AndyBlackburnartno he means the short movie that came out for San Andreas around the same time like the game
@AndyBlackburnart no he's right
@@AndyBlackburnart no, it’s the gta San Andreas short film it’s on rockstars youtube
I will always point out that Claude managed to tame Catalina for almost a decade, and even managed to make her start acting a lot more feminine, all with the power of his love-making. And the only thing that made her finally turn was the promise of vast wealth.
Claude is a mute psychopath, but damn is his game good.
I don't think "tame" is the correct word. I think he just put up with her craziness, because he's pretty much just as insane. Just in more of a chaotic neutral sort of way.
Theres even cut dialogue of Catalina taunting CJ over the walkie talkies during the Farewall My Love race, of which she says
“Claude, it’s bigger than the gearstick!”
So your interpretation might be legitimately canon
Benefits of a stick shift i guess
Catalina is my favorite character and this is why
@@TBP Toni Cipriani killed a “wiseguy” = “made man” (probably from another family) for Leone. By the end, he had become a capo and ballooned in weight in GTA III and implied to have taken over the Leone crime family.
The anti-climactic ends or even deaths of so many characters in this shared universe is something I always really liked. There's a dark comedy, and honestly a unique realism, to having these characters who were important in one story just die or get brushed aside in a different story that's set in the same world. Having characters just be universally important across a shared universe is kind of dull, so this approach of characters being important from one perspective but totally disposable from another just makes the world far more dynamic and varied in viewpoints than something like Star Wars for example, where everyone seems to have universal importance.
Right? It’s like they are just, humans. Just that and nothing more, they live and die by the bullet which is so cool as I feel stories nowadays make everyone so important that it’s almost foreign to see “important” characters just die. They are all just human at the end of all the crime another dot in the sky
It’s just how the Gta world works. Everyone seems to be a sociopath as the genetic norm. Anyone who isn’t is seen as a “bleeding heart liberal” Life is completely worthless, mourning is rare, millions of goons give their lives to protect some random guy. I’d say they did a pretty good job of mocking hypercapitalist society.
Right? Criminals die 24/7.
Like how Trevor killed the lost guy in his opening cut scene
I think that's why they do it. In real life criminals for the most part don't get a glorious death or ride off into the sunset or even a respectable death like good ending Arthur
I dont know how lazlow wasn't mentioned. The only character to appear in the original and HD universe.
I'll say the same thing as the last guy who brought this up, I had an entire minute long chunk of this video dedicated to lazlo, but I ended up cutting it because there was no way to visualize it, and the video was running longer than I wanted it to. I might release it as a short.
@@TBP Plus in connections is much more simple, Started as a intern for Vrock and joke punchline in 1984, went to broadcast school in 1985, became the host of Vrock in 1986, possibly sexually harassed a woman between and moved to San Andreas in 1986 to 1992, after the host gets shot on air he became the host in 1992, moved to Liberty between 1992 to 1998, and became the host of chatter attack for 1998 and 2001, now when we get to the HD era all of that 3D shit stays canon and he is on a downwards spire again
@@TBPIt's not just him. Cris Fromage and Fernando Martinez appear in both universes.
bj smith too
Like other dude pointed out, Fernando Martinez also appears. Great character, been with us since 2001 selling jewelry lol
Next to Tommy, I think Kent is my favorite in the 3D universe. Absolute Chad, has a way with words, and to me, is the definition of “I know a guy who knows a guy”. Kent has contacts all over the world it seemed, I wish he was used in the LC games.
Yeah I would love to see a rebooted version of him in GTA VI. Hell, Kent Paul could be our introductory character in GTA VI online, probably introducing us to different crime bosses or other business opportunities.
wat is a chad? i heard of it, but idk wat it means nobody has broken the meaning of "chad" down for me.🤔
@@Machete87 so essentially a “chad” is the archetype of “Mr. Cool”; ie, they never take shit from anybody, they usually have a very demanding demeanor, and they more than typically always have a way out of a problem (at least in this certain situation)
@@BennyBallbreakerHis name’s Paul, not Kent (which is where he’s from)
Kent Paul is the Muscle Man of the 3D GTA universe. They always know guys who most likely are involved in illegal stuff and serve as a liason to the main characters when they need it.
The real character (rather real person) to be the true anchor of the shared universe is Lazlow Jones, he’s in every game since 3 as either a radio personality or a celebrity in the story
And he won't be in 6, because he left the company along with Houser and Benzies and everyone else who made the PS2 era so special.
The golden era of GTA is long gone now, and 6 is gonna suck harder than 4 and 5 combined.
@@VitZ9 I’m aware, and honestly I agree. With 6 being in development hell for 10 years, the founders leaving, some of the best writers leaving, and the fact that 6 is being wayyy overhyped means that it will almost definitely suck when it releases
@@VitZ9 yep looks like woke millennial crap
Your videos feel somewhat unique in this sea of repetative content on TH-cam. Thanks for the efforts you give; it seems likw you're havijg a good time doing it!
TBC's best aspect is making niche videos that I had zero idea I had so much interest in
I came to start watching his videos due to my die hard Twisted Metal love, he does the video games I love dearly Justice, just as much as the niche games I won't ever play
He is the type of TH-camr that focus on quality over quantity
One of the major arcs of the series is the downfall of the Forelli Crime Family.
Vic Vance kills Forelli hitmen
Former Forelli thug Tommy Vercetti starts an organization hostile to them in Vice City and kills their boss and numerous men.
CJ kills the new Forelli boss and many more of their men, and steals money from them in a casino heist.
Toni Cipriani decimates them and even destroys the neighborhood they're based out of.
By the time of Claude's story, they're the "Forelli Brothers" and what's left of them get killed by another violent antihero.
They're the only gang to appear in every 3d entry and be enemies with the protagonist in each one.
Man the guys at Rockstar really hate Forelli
@@nickrustyson8124😂😂
My man rally called Salvatore “Salvador” throughout the whole video.
About the Maria dying in GTA3, developers said that she didnt died, they didn’t know how to end the Maria’s talk to put the song on for the credits so they just added a gunshot
el salvador
@@IrisWasTaken1 🇸🇻🇸🇻🇸🇻
Claude couldnt tell the bitch to shut up
@InevitableOption-ic2vx lol
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Funny how VCS is the last released 3D Universe GTA game while being first chronologically, when GTA 3 is the first released 3D Universe GTA while being last chronologically. Not counting Manhunt games, I believe those two are after GTA 3 chronologically.
"And even though I've gone over for all the big relevant characters there's still far too many minor references and cameos for me to go over"
Case in point. In Vice City, the talk show 'VCPR' had a character who was a nudist. He later appeared in GTA III.
While it is interesting to see how all of these characters are connected, it really just kind of leaves you feeling unsatisfied a lot of the time, especially with the characters whose canonical final appearance is in GTA 3, where they not only don’t resemble the characters later games would portray them as, but in a few cases, like with Donald Love, he doesn’t even get a proper sendoff, he just leaves a note saying “goodbye”, and that’s it. It’s such an anti-climax for a cannibal we’ve seen grow from the silent yes man of another politician, to a man on top of his own empire.
Why would they resemble them if every GTA 3d game takes place before 3??? Make it make sense
@@elchomper.1063 Technically the farthest point in the timeline is GTA2, as that game takes place in a cyberpunk dystopia, and Claude is the main character there.
Edit: Okay, so this was written before I even started the video and didn't realize that GTA 1 or 2 weren't talked about, which is weird because both of those games are canon to the PS2 series. I remember Claude being one of GTA1's playable characters and he's the main character of 2 where he's doing what he does best: being a chaotic neutral mercenary working for the highest bidder. Claude Speed for all intents and purposes is GTA's OG protagonist and a part of me wishes he was used more, mostly because I personally love the trope "the almighty janitor".
@@ryguy9876That’s actually been told to us that’s not the same Claude. If anything they borrowed him and reshaped him into gta 3 Claude
@@goodgamesir1750I was about to say this. It’s not the same character. Same name, but def. not the same Claude.
@@ryguy9876the 1st two GTA games are in a different universe called the 2DU. They are not canonically connected to the 3D Universe.
The 3DU games timeline:
1984: Vice City Stories
1986: Vice City
1992: San Andreas
1995: Bully??
1998: Liberty City Stories
2001: GTA III
2003: Manhunt
2006: Bully??
2007: Manhunt 2
I mean it's less of an anti-climax if you played 3 first, because then you'd be viewing the characters through "Oh they're fleshing out these characters from GTA III" lens rather than "Well that was an underwhelming ending for that character"
So playing GTA III first makes the most sense narratively and mechanically since it's much more simple than its successors.
Yeah, that's true, but at the same time, it would've been cool if there was a final game chronologically after GTA 3 to show the aftermath.
@@RetroRulzMyTown
What aftermath? Nearly every major gang leader or character in the series has been killed off in GTA3, or by the time of GTA3.
Also a good portion of Liberty City has been destroyed or turned into a crime scene. They'd be starting almost from scratch with all new characters we don't have any connections with from other 3D era games.
True, the first GTA game i ever played and completed was 3, and I went sporadically finishing each game in the 3D and HD universes.
GTA uses mafia terms properly most of the times, so they wouldn't all of suddenly be incorrectly describing CJ as a 'Made Man' in the context of the Italian Mafia.
honestly this the best gta video I've seen in a long time. looks like a love letter to the series.
I remember getting mind blown at how major characters in gta 3 and vice city get mentioned in san andreas, it's like all three games with their own time-line are connected, as for vcs I think rockstar probably didn't really think of vic as a major character in vice city and it was before they came up with the idea to create vcs
He was always Lance’s brother tho
Will say one thing I have always found to be interesting is that GTA3 was the only one of the 3D Universe era to be set at the year the game was released so it's set during 2001. This of course is interesting as all the other games are set during time peroids instead. You get Vice City and stories in the 80's, San Andreas during the early 90's and Liberty City Stories in 1998. So this of course means GTA3 is set the furthest in the timeline of the shared 3D universe despite having been the first to come out with of course Vice City Stories being the last 3D Universe game to come out yet being set the earliest in the timeline being set in 1984.. A part of me does wonder what Tommy Verceti and Cj are doing during the events of 3 in 2001
In addItion I’ve always wondered how San Andreas and Liberty City would look in 1984 during VCS
Tbh, the 3D GTA era is among the best gaming universes in existence. It even includes Bully and Manhunt (Carcer City is also mentioned in the HD Universe). The only thing that rather bothers me is the retconning of Phil's military service. In III, Ray Machowski directly states him and Phil served in the Army together in Nicaragua, making them battle buddies. In Vice City, Phil is made out to be an intoxicated, gun fanatic who blew his own arm off.
If Rockstar left this backstory intact, I believe Phil and Victor Vance would've had a stronger bond (as both are former soldiers) and Phil would be much more respected in comparison to other characters in the series.
Another thing I wonder about is why didn't Salvatore mention Tommy in LCS? Tommy was the catalyst of the downfall of the Forellis and he was the Harwood Butcher (who's to say Tommy didn't want to expand the Vercetti Family to Liberty City?) The only time Tommy is mentioned by name and by deed, outside of Vice City, is in San Andreas
Weren't Phil and Ray Machowski in Nicaragua, not Panama?
@@asais1024 minor error on my part, thanks
6:34 in GTA 3 Ray Machowski mentioned that he served with Phil in Nicaragua. I know some people speculate that he wasn't in the military but I don't think anyone confirmed that he didn't serve.
"Stealing cars and killing hookers" that's exactly how a friend sold me Vice City when I wasn't even 10 years old 😂 funny how we change, since nowadays, in my 29 years old, I'm more interested in the story and characters than the mayhem I'm allowed to create in the city; making it the main reason why I love GTA IV and its protagonist Niko Bellic so much (Despite GTA Vice City still being my favorite in the franchise)
It just hit me after I saw the gta 6 trailer how Catalina & Claude are kind of similar to the characters in GTA 6. Not by how they look but kind of the same Bonnie & Clyde idea.
They were an early inspiration
There's no way to tell if Claude really killed Maria, offed himself, or just shot in the air. They leave it an open mystery.
I feel a novelization of at least the 3D era that connects dots would be nice to bookend characters arcs
Manhunt is actually set in the GTA universe. Which is rockstars EVEN MORE controversial IP
it is not 100% sure that Diaz actually set up the ambush in the beginning of vice city. If you look at "An old friend" cutscene where Tommy calls Sonny after the deal went wrong, you can see Sonny has the table full of coke and money. Where does it took that coke from if the idea was that he sends tommy in the south to get involved in the business? It really makes more sense to Sonny setting up the ambush as he wanted to get rid of Tommy, than for Diaz that already had a business and money, had good relationships with the Vance and would have been bad in the long term to make more enemies
Cool video! There's another element that deserves to be mentioned - radio people. Fernando Martinez appears on radio in 3, VC and SA, I'm sure he's not the only one. And, of course, Lazlow is in every game, even becoming an actual character in 5.
The shared universe is what made me love the GTA stories growing up
I've been replaying the 3D era these last few months (GTA 6 hype and all that), so I've been remembering all these connections, and then you make this vid, feels like you went into my mind, even mentioning the Toni/CJ theory (which I actually believe in). Great content, man
P.S. I know you kept only to the big physical appearances in the games, but I think a few radio station cases could be mentioned as well:
- Reni's (physical) appearance in VCS, and then being a DJ in LCS
- Lazlow going from station intern to DJ to hosting 2 talk shows (as well as crossing over to the HD era)
- Fernando Martinez going from reporter to DJ to talk show hijacker to running an affair program (and also crossing over to the HD era)
Gary busey playing Phil was the best character choice ever
with stuff like rick and morty, 4-6 different call of duty timelines, and god knows how many batman reboots, it puzzles me why people cant seem to grasp that the GTA games are not all part of the same timeline or universe.
III, VC, LCS, VCS, and I think GTA Advance are apart of one,
IV, IV' TBOGT and TLAD, Chinatown Wars, V, and VI are apart of another.
and Im not sure if they are connected, but GTA and GTA2 are also not part of the first two timelines I mentioned.
There’s literally a photo of CJ in GTA V…
Loved the GTA PS2 universe. Phil Cassidy was my favorite. I loved tracking the character’s histories and seeing how they changed so drastically. They turned the evolution of their technology and storytelling into a strength, where characters becoming less nuanced over time is then made a deliberate story choice by setting up their downfalls over time. Like Vic going from principled to a drug mule that gets gunned down immediately or the Forellis going from a legitimate threat to a spec on Liberty’s criminal underworld
The recent Hitman trilogy did something very similar for me, that I hadnt felt since the 3D GTA universe. I remember exploring the ICA training level of the first game and hearing talk of the legendary Spy Janus, in a Sapienza biolab a scientist mentioning his brother being taken hostage by the modern day pirate The Maelstrom or Andrea Martinez appearing physically in the Paris map on behalf of the Delgado cartel, which in itself ties back to the PS2 Hitman games. Then in the second game I loved Martinez, Delgado, Janus and The Maelstrom becoming targets
The third game definitely stepped down a little from that, what was amazing about the second game was each level was foreshadowed in the first. Reynard in level one was referenced in level four of the first, the Miami level has you taking on the corporation that provided medical equipment in the first game’s Hokkaido, etc. Whereas part three starts with that, the first two levels have you killing targets that appeared in cutscenes in part two, only two more characters (technically three if you count DLC) were set up in the first two games as targets. Tho i do love Don Yates’ backstory, he runs the law firm Morgan, Yates and Kohn so you killing his fellow attorney Ken Morgan makes him have a grudge against you. Heck Ken Morgan in the first game mentions his dog Pickles if you hold him at gunpoint, and The Yates’ adopted the thing according to dialogue! (He got run over by a grape harvester tho RIP Pickles)
In the good ending for Manhunt 2 Daniel is left on the outskirts of San Fierro where his new life and identity begins also Daniel face is modeled after a sketch of The Zodiac Killer other Manhunt references a radio ad in GTA 3 mentions corrupt police chief Gary Schafer is cleared of corruption charges by the court it also mentions missing witnesses GTA Vice Stories has a outfit for Vic that has him dress as a member of The Hoods and in the police stations in San Andreas there are several wanted posters for various gang members from Manhunt there’s also a photo of James Earl Cash in the police I always liked the few references to Manhunt GTA Online adding the iconic Please Stop Me Smiley masks and other masks was great they even added one mask from Manhunt 2 based off one of The Pervs gang members
Manhunt 2 takes place in 2007 which technically makes it the latest game chronologically in the 3D GTA universe. Although Bully's events begin in 2006 and end in 2007, so they probably happen at the same time.
Except Manhunt 2 has no connection to Manhunt 1 or the GTA series.
@@VitZ9 it's still in the same universe.
@@VitZ9 it’s still in same universe tho
@@nier133 It's not though.
It was made by different developers, not R* North, and there is nothing in Manhunt 2 linking it to any of the 3D era GTA games or Manhunt 1.
Just because it's running on the same engine doesn't mean it's connected. That's like saying Midnight Club is connected to the R* table tennis game, lol. I swear the MCU has warped an entire generation's mind into thinking everything must belong to a "universe" or "multiverse", even if they have to force them together, and it's getting really old and lame.
@@VitZ9a member of the Red Kings mentions the State of San Andreas and a member of the Bloodhounds mentions a actual manhunt that happened in Carcer City years ago(referencing the events of the first game)
Not going to lie I was hoping Gta 4 was going to explain questions that they never resolved but they rebooted the franchise and started the HD universe even tho I love Niko and the 2 expansions (TLAD & BOGT) I would have liked them to have tied into the 3D universe and have them explain what happened to the Leone Family, did the Triad take over portland, who fired the gun in the end credits, are Claude and Maria still alive if so did they hook up or did Claude kill Maria for causing him all the trouble with the Leone family and the Cartel, fate of the other gangs, and lastly wtf happened to Donald Love
Nothing like some bacon in the morning!!
The sheer coincidence in this releasing just as I’m binging all things GTA
Good old Donald Love, I still remember how horrified I was when they revealed what(exactly) he was eating in that one cutscene.
Steak? Lol
@@kman215 It was long pig.
It's crazy that I still get exactly the same feeling that I got when these games were released. Motorbikes still seem new to me. Nostalgia is like a drug
Lazlo proves its all one shared universe
I doubt that Toni killed CJ, taking into account the friendships he made throughout the San Andreas campaign, especially with Woozie.
I wish I've a luck of Ken Rosenberg. How many time he fell off and there's still people back him up to the top. I guess his entire arc was about royalty.
The idea of Toni killing CJ kinda blew my mind. I never wouldve thought of that.
I wish they made San Andreas stories for vita, it could have saved the console if released at the beginning of vita cycle
I think Rockstar learned not to do any more of those exclusivity deals, because while the Stories games are arguably still to this day some of the best in PSP's catalogue, being stuck only to Playstation consoles kind of killed their sales prospects(had they also been released for other consoles and PC, their sales figures would have been closer to III and VC). On another note, between San Andreas final months of production and LCS release, EA bought Criterion and their engine Renderware which had been the base of 3d era GTA, basically blocking the entire industry from using it and probably why the stories have slightly different physics from the other games. A SA Stories would have to be released before the HD universe began, only a year or maybe 2 after VCS, but by then Rockstar were rushing to complete IV and even had to delay the release to 2008. By 2011/12 when the Vita was released, Rockstar was already preparing for V and it wouldn't make sense to release a game for a universe ended 5/6 years before.
@@davidantonio8798 Also it probably would've cannibalized sales for Manhunt 2, and/or burnt out the public, I mean shit this series was nearly yearly releases
@@davidantonio8798 EA being shitty... what's new?
Very well made video! The intertwined stories, details and references of the GTA universe is why it is still my number one franchise of all time
First time I'm finding out GTA IV was actually a reboot, guess that clears up a lot of things I was wondering about with the current games. Weird.
Where have you been since 2008
I think this could have a second video, with even more connections. This could be talked on and on for 2 hours minimum, which is crazy
Great video!
I really like Vice City Stories and Liberty City Stories.....
Cinematic universe is called that cause it's only on the big screen or on film that's what cinematic means it's not a phrase
Ken Rosenberg’s lawyer firm is mentioned in the news during vice city stories
Also in LCS, it explains why Asuka had access to Claude's Fort Stanton safehouse. As in LCS it is Yakusa property as it's where Kazuki lived until Toni kills him and Asuka is part of the Yakusa.
(Also Kazuki is Kenji and Asuka's older brothers but he is killed which explains why Kenji takes over.)
Tommy also does missions for the colonel in Vice City. That's when the colonel escaped
u forget Donald eats Avery after killing him
Ohhh i would love another video like this one, maybe even more extended, like almost maybe finding connections between the whole gta series, i know that would be difficult but man i would love it
Thank you for not using any defective edition footage
Lazlo is the most prolific character
True story, this video originally had a minute long discussion of Lazlo's involvement in the series. But I ended up cutting it because there was no way to visualize it, and the video was already running longer than I wanted it to. I might release that portion of the video as a short.
I always thought that Tony Cipriani killed Tommy Vercetti before GTA LCS
How are you only at 85k? I found your channel a while back. Watched all pf your twisted metal videos having never played or wanting to play a single one of them. You deserve way more subs
Best video game breakdown-er on YT!
Tony Sipriani killing CJ would have been a really neat connection between protagonists in a more interesting and accurate way that, for instance, was Trevor and Johnny
I can’t help but wish that you can fly to liberty city in San Andreas and more of Catalina. I love how the trilogy and stories all go together.
Sucks that the newer games don’t tie in at all. 20+ years later and we are still wondering things about these games
3D era > HD era
nah man, the Phil Cassidy thing was a really bad retcon. Ray even says to Claude in GTA III that him and Phil served in Nicaragua in the mission “Arms Shortage”. Wouldn’t make sense for 2 characters to make this up.
THANK YOU for using clips from the original versions of these games and not the "definitive" remakes. So many videos on these games nowadays just use footage from the remakes, and it's so disgusting to look at. Thank you for using the appropriate footage.
Cinematic universe is explicitly for films and TV.
Even shared universe is only really meant for different properties that shouldn't usually be related (think Sonic and Dreams, or Smash Bros).
There isn't really a staple term for games in the same franchise that are related, people just expect them to be nowadays. So entries that aren't get the term standalone.
Damn, i kinda wanna replay all of them now
This video was fascinating as someone who is new to the GTA series and your video has convinced me to play the PS2 trilogy for the first time. What order would you recommend I play the three games: chronological or release?
Chronological order is better stating with GTA Vice City Stories,then Vice City -San Andreas- Liberty City Stories - 3
Because some characters died pretty early and only got development in the prequels,but It will come with some problems later because GTA 3 is kinda outdated but ok
As a kid I just played the games but listening and watching this and seeing how rockstar literally made a short story out of most characters starting from GTA 3 and giving backstories good or bad in the other games because all of them was previous years before the GTA 3 2001 year timeline. MIND BLOWN!
I really hope GTA does this with the future GTAs.
it's like Bacon, but tactical. Great video, comment for the algorithm
One of my favourite videos that I've watched in a long time. I loved this!
There is another Character we forgot, and it's name is Reni she makes her Vocal Appearance through Radio in the Flashback FM in Liberty City Stories, until Vice City Stories she made her Full Appearance, but only to be Appeared as a Male wearing Lipstick with White Face and Red, until later when she Visited Dr Horowitz, she is now different, and her Voice sounded the Same as she sounded like from the Radio in Liberty City Stories, we know Vice City Stories took place in 1984, before she went to Liberty City to become the Host of Flashback FM after she been from Europe.
GTA EU. GTA European union? 😆 Would definitely play that
Why do you hate the term cinematic universe? There's nothing wrong with the concept itself. It made movies like Infinity War and Endgame possible
Its overused as hell
I think Vic is one of the odder things about the Shared Universe, or at least in terms of just VCS. It doesn't really make him at all seem like the same character as the dude in the Vice City intro. Even putting aside they don't really look or sound alike. After all Vic went through and the way he acts at the end, it doesn't make sense why he would go back into the game and in such as seemingly good mood about it. Especially when while he lost all his empire buildings, he probably was still able to keep a decent amount of cash. I think that's one of the main reasons I sometimes see people ignore him being the guy in the VC intro.
Everything else about the shared throughline is pretty good, except that.
HD Universe is a reboot but the larger pop culture remains the same. Like that the Arnie parody Jack Howitzer kills a radio host in San Andreas and gets out of prison in V.
And never forget Lazlo! GTA5 will be the first game since 3 without him since Lazlo Jones has now left Rockstar...
.... He was in 3 and V. You literally tattoo a dick on his chest
I remember as a kid, finding a sunkin ship in GTA 3 and trying to see if I could find it in the port of sa lol, then Vice city. I just assumed they were all in the same universe. And I spent hours trying to find what I didn't know at the time was called, easter eggs lol
With release of that trailer. Im gonna take the next year or so catching up with the previous titles, mosty ps2 and handhelds.
Always love your videos🎉
Ah yes American Road Safety for Everyone, not to be confused with Citizens United to Negate Technology For Life And People's Safety.
Thank you for not using Definitive edition clips
I just watched a 26 minutes video on GTA lore
What do you mean LCS doesn’t have a betrayal. Didn’t Tony’s mom send a hit out on him?
Reni from gta vcs make an appearance in the radio of gta lcs in flash radio i think, also in liberty city public radio, the lady brings lazlow profile that he was kicked out of vice city and san Andreas and decided to stay in liberty city to start the radio station chatterbox later in gta 3 time line, you won't find chatterbox radio station in liberty city stories, but in the liberty city public radio you'll find his channel there
Also the timeline of GTA CTW was 1 year after GTA 4 timeline in 2009
Opening the vid with the GTA 2 theme, nice
Words are flowing out like endless rain into a paper cup
Grand Theft Auto London 1968(London, England)
Grand Theft Auto London 1969(London, England)
Grand Theft Auto Vice City Stories(Miami, Florida)
Grand Theft Auto Vice City(Miami, Florida)
Grand Theft Auto San Andreas(California and Nevada)
Grand Theft Auto Liberty City Stories(New York City)
Grand Theft Auto Advance(New York City)
Grand Theft Auto One (New York City, Los Angeles, and Miami)
Grand Theft Auto 2(Anywhere City)
Grand Theft Auto 3(New York City)
Grand Theft Auto 4 (New York City and New Jersey)
Grand Theft Auto 4 Gay Tony(New York City and New Jersey)
Grand Theft Auto 4 Lost and Damn(New York City and New Jersey)
Grand Theft Auto Chinatown Wars(New York City and New Jersey)
Grand Theft Auto 5 Gameplay(Los Angeles, California)
Grand Theft Auto 5 Online( Los Angeles, California)
Grand Theft Auto 6 (Florida)
There is also Upstate New York in 3 and Liberty City Stories and Alderney(Jersey) doesn't appear in Chinatown Wars
This is amazing. The GBA port was impressive but this is just as impressive.
I wish they didn't separate this and the HD era's universes. I feel like there was no reason for Rockstar to do that
The worst thing Rockstar ever done was "reset the timeline" - it was done for the most stupid reason as well. "Oh its HD now so I guess 3D is a different thing"
Just BS. There is no reason Tommy or CJ or any other character couldnt appear in GTA 6, this should be retconned and let the timelines merge. This video just proved how great the shared universe was.
I understand your point of view but returning those characters is now impossible without creating plot errors.
Look at it like this, in GTA 4, Jon Gravelli, leader of the Gambetti mafia, mentions that he has known the Ancelotti mafia for 73 years, and the game's police files show data that gangs such as the Spanish Lords, the Russian mafia and more organizations They did their operations and many existed before the nineties, so why don't they appear in GTA Liberty City Stories and GTA 3? It would be a very big plot error to return to those characters
You missed the important characters, even though they don't appear on-screen - Lazlow and Fernando Martinez.
I didn't forget lazlo, I just decided to cut the minute long chunk of the video where I talked about him, because there was no visual aid I could have given it, and the video was already getting longer than I would have liked.
Nice video mate
I still play these games on multiple platforms
Great video but I would have loved seeing a thing about Lazlo.
4:43 its "The cabrones", "los" means "the"
Wasn't Toni sort of "majorly betrayed" in LCS? Toni even brings it up in the last cutscene of the final mission. Salvatore Leone promised him a million, but only gave him 500k. After everything Toni's done to help the Leones keep their grip on the city, Salvatore flip-flops and only gives him half of what he promised? It feels a bit like a slap in the face to me.
a betrayal is technically the opposite of slap in the face. it's called stab in the back
I feel like the phrase "A slap in the face" describes this perfectly. Unlike Vincenzo backstabbing Toni on two separate occasions, (Tricking Toni into picking up a car being watched by the cops and siccing some chainsaw wielding goons under the guise of a truce) Salvatore outright tells Toni to his face that he's not getting his full reward. It hurts, but it's not like Salvatore's attempting to whack Toni. A slap in the face, if you will. I'd consider Vincenzo's revenge scheme to not be a "Major betrayal" because it's pretty clear that he hates Toni's guts.
If you included the GTA Radio then the video would be an hour long
8:00 “inconsequential”? i’d call losing and arm quite the consequence
Cool video but I can't ignore how weird it is how you pronounce Salvatore as "Salvador"
Loved both the 3D and HD universe. My favorite 3D universe is San Andreas while my favorite HD one is GTA 4/ episodes of Liberty City.
What's wrong with cinematic universes?
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