Buying Toyota vehicles have been one of the best financial decisions I have made. Every Toyota I have bought outlasted its competitors by far. I have four kids so obviously couldn’t afford new vehicles when they turned 16. I ended up bought used Camry vehicles and a Honda CR-V at well over 100K miles and 2003 Camry V6, 2005 Toyota Camry (2), a 2008 Honda CR-V. My kids now have grad and their Toyota and Honda have been driven past 200K miles and still running strong with few issues. My 2005 Toyota Sienna drove past 330K miles without major repairs, now I am driving a 2021 Toyota Sienna Hybrid that is still running flawlessly at 93K miles. Toyota parts are so easily accessible for less and Toyota dealers and Toyota mechanics are everywhere.
I bought my last Camry in 1998. I haven't needed a new car. 500,000 miles, just put on fourth timing belt. No Korean car is going close to that. My 1993 Camry has 800,000 on it. Original engine, tranny, alt, wheel bearings. Only thing replaced was AC compressor. It ain't even close. Gotta be in it for the long haul. I won`t even talk about my 1992 pickup.
The problem is in your own statement. You said there is an Elantra with 450k miles, as in 1 that you heard of. There are thousands upon thousands of Camry’s,Corolla’s,Tacoma’s, 4Runners etc. with 500k+ miles. With Toyota it’s a normality, with Hyundai it’s an oddity. Now we can bring Lexus in on this convo to further make my point
@@valenteleanos4774 There is no problem with my statement. It's not uncommon to have Hyundai vehicles with 200,000 to 300,000 miles. It is not the only one that I saw with high mileage. It sounds like you are triggered by my statement. I'm not sure why what I stated bothers you so much.
@@Okoro17 🤣🤣🤣I’m triggered?? You’re the one commenting all up and down this comment section on multiple comments multiple times each one. You’re arguing with anybody and everybody that says the truth abt Hyundai’s and that’s that they are horrible Korean cars
@@valenteleanos4774 Yes, I have to set the record straight. You know, some people laugh because deep down, there's truth to a statement. Kind of like comedians for an example. When people laugh at what they say, they can see truth in the punchline or know it subconsciously.
The 2020-2023 2.5 Camry will go down in history as one of the best, simple, low-maintenance cars under $30k. 300k miles is almost guaranteed if you change the oils 👍
@@Jack-pd4ps i have one they use the same engine in the rav4 which get abused more. the camry has been solid specifically the engine one not the hybrid. still drives new and i have a 2020.
I think it’s reliable, but I don’t think it’s simple. It has a heated thermostat variable displacement, oil pump, electronic water pump direct injection valve timing. There’s a lot going on.
The 2018 - 2023 Camry was one of the first TNGA vehicles. Toyota put a load of money into TNGA so the cars turned out well. The 2018 and 2019s are pretty solid but people complained about the transmission shifting which was a software and tuning issues that I think doesn't really affect reliability. There's nothing bad about previous generations (except the 2007 - 2010 Camrys) but Toyota really stepped up the 2018+ models.
Good advise for general public and car ownership habits. It doesn't work for someone who works on their own and keep it until it's no longer economical to keep repairing. I.E., owner of a 27 year old Geo Prizm and couple of 17 year old Honda Accords will tell you most Toyota's and some Honda's will outlast a Hyundai by a decade or more. And more modern design means more modules, sensors, screens will fail, often without factory support after that much time.
@@Okoro17 I watch the news and see a new recall every week or two. I also have personal experience renting a Kona. While driving it the power completely shut down. Thank God I was the one driving and not my wife. BTW, the most recent recall was a 'park outside' recall. That's the most dangerous type. 😀 Enjoy your cars.
I don't think it has to be that toyota owners love their cars more. It can be a simple math problem also. If your car has a blue book of 10K, that 8K repair is horrible. If your car has a blue book of 16K, that 8K repair is not as bad.
Great Video. I got lucky. I purchased new a 2009 Hyundai Sonata and my wife got a new 2013 Hyundai Elantra. So I have the engine that Hyundai got right. Manifold fuel injection and before they changed how they manufactured the engine (where they left a lot of debris and created other issues). I've got over 300,000 miles on my Sonata with no engine issues (I also run Mobile 1 and change oil /filter typically every 5000-6000 miles: First oil change at about 2000 miles). My wife also has the Elantra engine before they moved to direct injection (which created a lot of engine issues). She has well over 200,000 miles on it (we also use Mobile 1 with 5000-6000 mile oil/filter changes and did an early 1st oil change). Other than routine wear and tear items - no major repairs on either car. Biggest thing I did was replace the struts on the 2009 Sonata. My wife hit some debris that damaged the catalytic converter and she had to replace that. Tires, brakes, fluid changes, windshield wipers, headlight and other bulbs, etc.
I'm a Toyota owner. on my second Toyota. my first was 2007 Toyota Camry XLE v6 excellent engine. at 168K on it was still worth $5000. trade it for 2012 Toyota Venza AWD XLE v6 the same engine only this time with AWD system very happy with Toyota.
Age really gets to a car when it is driven infrequently or not at all. Letting a car sit for too long causes seals that need regular lubrication to dry out and fail. Tires will dry rot and have to be replaced.
Not always true I own a 1968 camaro, 1978 Bronco, 1982 Benz, 1983 Benz and daily a 2003 civic. So she isn’t the only factor. Maintenance is the major concern
thank you for your insight. always nice when mechanics back up their claims with facts. this will help me buy my next car. too many mechanics speaking out of their rear end with no data to back up their claims. you are a mature and educated individual. thank you for not fear mongering.
the issue I am finding buying older, used toyotas, is people think they can do the minimal maintenance on them. never change cabin or engine filters. not enough oil changes. So, I end up with a car that consumes oil (2009 camry), or one that needs it's entire front end suspension replaced, 2009 venza, along with fresh fluid exchanges. they also want more than the cars are actually worth because of the toyota reliability label. so, what's worse is I feel like I stupidly overpaid for cars I still have to put a bunch of money into. the used car market sucks, but, I was not going to buy teenagers 3-4yo CPO cars. I almost feel like I should have bought a 2015 ford escape for $7000 vs the Venza, and taking my chances on a new transmission. I'd still be way ahead.
Good video with a lot of great points. A lot of comments are Hyundai/Kia haters. They did have horrible issues with some 2 L engines and sonatas but so do Toyota with oil burning engines over many years. Hyundai and Kia quality is going way way up and they make some really really nice cars now.
I live in Ontario, Canada, and the salt on the winter roads here rusts out cars so fast! Meanwhile, older Toyotas are still crazy-high in price compared to other makes. So you wind up paying a premium price for just a pile of RUST if you buy a 10-year-old (or older) Toyota for half the price of what a new Toyota costs. The much better plan is to just buy a new Toyota, a cheaper base Corolla LE instead of a top-level Camry.
I bought a brand new Toyota truck and had NOTHING BUT failures with just about every system. Bad seal on a oil filter caused engine to seize, then I had nothing but problems after that. Main ignition wiring harness would heat up and it wouldn't start had to wait for it to cool down and then having dealerships charge me for something that they did not fix... It was a huge joke. Had to fight to get them to fix anything wrong with it under warranty, had to go through arbitration, talking with district managers because dealerships suck and were not willing to help. I went through 3 rear main seals. One thing after another, when people talk to me about Toyota quality and lasting a long time I'm sorry but I laugh at them... After 1.5 years, yes one and a half years I had racked up enough repair slips that were as thick as a phone book or bible... In contrast I bought a brand new Chevy silverado and had nothing but greatness and reliability, the Chevy has never let me down and it's almost 30 years old now..... I am not ignorant to all the changes since I bought my truck, from what I hear almost ALL vehicles have become unreliable, and doesn't matter the make or model they pretty much all suck and have issues, GM, Ford, Mopar etc... too much tech in my opinion, they should go back to simple designs and less features and options. I would love a truck that has a simple throttle body injection system with a straight 6 or V8 with no turbo's or whatnot and no electronic touch screen tech, a truck for me is a tool and that is what I need it for to tow and haul things.
Keep on buying them Chevy's then and I will keep buying the Toyotas and I will ALWAYS win over the Chevy buyer. All vehicle brands have a lemon they are made by humans , but they are far less with Toyota. I will also beat you with resale valiues and trade in values as well so by all means keep buying the engine blowing Chevy's and I will keep betting on Toyota!
I have 5 Toyotas currently, all run flawlessly. My 2011 RAV4 was bought with 212,000 miles, it now has 220,000 and is running like a champ. The last 3 Toyotas that I traded in were running flawlessly.
My new Japan-built 2020 model year Toyota (built in late 2019) was a bag full of problems, issues & defects, & needed towing on several occasions for various failures after leaving me stranded across town. The Toyota dealership I purchased it from was apathetic & not very helpful on every occasion. I only kept it for 2 years & 10K miles before finally ditching it out of frustration for a 2022 Mazda CX-30 CE (my first-ever Mazda purchase) - which has been completely problem, issue, & defect free for over 2 years now.
@@brb1050 It was a new 2020 TNGA Toyota Corolla SE Sedan 6-MT, built in Japan (J-VIN) during the last quarter of 2019. Most problematic vehicle I have owned in 42 years of driving, across 9 new Honda/Acura/Toyota vehicles before it & 1 Mazda after it.
@@otomoravec1732 Push-button starter failure, reoccurring electrical/battery issues, transmission shifter issues, & yellowish discoloration over the first year with the Super White Toyota paint on the plastic painted sections. Vehicle also developed too many interior rattles in the doors, pillars, dash & roof of the cabin to count. :/ It was a 2020 Corolla SE Sedan 6-MT. Worst vehicle experience in 40+ years & 11 different new Honda, Acura, & Toyota vehicles over that span.
My 2011 Camry hasn't needed any major repair. Doesn't even burn oil. Wife's 1998 Rav4 just had the original exhaust replaced. Everything including the AC still works. Still original.
Depends. There's model years that can last a long time especially hyundais from 2001 to 2010 ish. Know a guy with a Santa fe 2009 with 165,000 miles and other guy had a 06 elantra at 280,000 miles before selling it. Now anything after gas wise yeah I wouldn't say Hyundai has done too well after that.
Your analysis makes sense in dollars and cents; however, car buyers also take into consideration styling, comfort, ride, vehicle dynamics and handling; and there's an emotional component as well. I owned a 2018 Mazda CX5 from new. Loved the styling and the driver centric theme; it was pretty trouble-free but getting up there in mileage. This time around I bought a Toyota because I want to keep it forever.
What is the resale value on the 2017 Camry and Sonata? You mentioned 10k for a 2012 Camry with probably 150k miles. I would bet a Sonata with same age and miles is around 3k resale. So in the same sense the Toyota wins in resale and less likely to have higher repair bills.
He says in the video a 2017 Camry is worth $16,000. 5:11. If you're buying new a Toyota is the better buy, if you're given a budget of $10k to buy a used car it gets murky because you'd have to buy a lot older Toyota ie a 2012 which mechanically might be just as good as a 2017 Hyundai but features and safety won't be as updated ie backup camera.
After 6 or 7 years, the Hyundau/Kia will probably need a new engine or tranny. My 2012 Camry with over 300K still runs like a Seiko clock. I hardly see any Sonata over 6 years old on the road today. The same as Korean appliances. My old GE refrigerator was almost 30 years old till I got tired of it and replaced it with a SS, French door, and fancy LG. It broke down after 7 years. My old Kenmore washer lasted decades before I replaced them with a very expensive Samsung. The Samsung washer does not do a good washing job and the screen keeps shutting off to the extent that I cannot even turn it on/off. Eventually I will go back to the basics and purchase a top load Maytag or a Speed Queen if I have more budget.
I have a 2016 Sonata that I bought for 10k with 33k miles in 2018. It now has 134k miles and the only issue with it is the EXCESSIVE oil burning (1 qt every 800 miles). Nothing has failed I’ve only had to do normal maintenance. I have wanted to sell the car and get a Toyota but it’s hard to fault the car when it has been nothing but good to me. I do oil and filter every 5k and only let it get a half qt low. I’ve done all other maintenance at the proper intervals as well. So now I am going to see how many miles I can get before it doesn’t make financial sense to repair it. I think the way you take care of your car it’s more important than who made it. That being said my next vehicle will be a Toyota.
@ShadetreeAutomotiveLayton appreciated the cost analysis of the 2023’s for $25,000 and also the expected retail value after six years. But you didn’t include buying a used 2017 for $10,000 - $16,000 with what the retail might be after a few years. I still think you’re further ahead buying a used Toyota for $16,000 that you will still have equity in to resell in several years. The $10,000 Hyundai in several years will be worth far less. You’re also right that a catastrophic failure on an older Kia usually means it goes to the scrapyard or sold for peanuts, where a Toyota is more likely to be repaired. But even if somebody repairs a catastrophic failure in a Kia/Hyundai, when it comes to resale, you won’t get any more (or less) for it. It ends up eating up the last of the equity someone has into their Kia/Hyundai if it survives 10-15 years.
The only sedan with a turbo id recommend ia the 10/11 gen Honda civic. Of course they dont have the perfect track record but its a ton better than any korean car brand (hyundai, kia, genesis) ive had my honda civic 1.5 turbo for 6+ years now and have no jssues.
I got 2024 Camry specifically so I would not have the extra repair and maintenance cost of having a turbo. I think all Toyotas will have it by 2025. A race to the bottom and Toyota was one of the last holdouts.
@Wavetheory85 toyota also has multi port with direct injection design so the ports don't get dirty and even at higher miles it's proved to work. Honda and Hyundai/Kia just have full blown gdi direct injection design that will be a issue no matter what brand if it's gdi without something to clean the valves it will be a issue. This guy probably is always changing the oil often. Like 3000 mile changes in a direct injection and it will still build up carbon .
@@robmalcolm8042 I’m not even a car guy and only do minor stuff but I do watch the car care nut and do recall him mentioning something about that also. I drove a 2019 optima almost 100k miles before getting rid of it so I got a feel for what type of disaster those are.
I’m confused on why you would compare a Toyota with a Hyundai. The better comparison would be a Toyota with a Honda and then maybe a Hyundai with it’s Kia sibling or something like a Chevy Malibu. I also question your “average price”. I live in a low cost part of the country and I’d be hard pressed to find a Camry with 20k miles for 25k. Same with Hyundai or any car for that matter with such low miles. It’s funny to me how you acknowledge the Hyundai’s much greater chance of catastrophic AND faster depreciation but still see it as a more “sensible” buy in certain scenarios such as a fleet purchase. The only way I see this as a win for your business is if you can write off the depreciation and added expenses that a Hyundai provides. Either way, your not really looking out for the customer or even your own interests if you “invest” in a car that might leave your customer stranded or take time out of one of your service bays to have repaired. Unless someone owns a shop, this video is really of no use to the average car buyer. And even if you are a car shop owner….why would you invest in a tool or car that you know will fail more times than the greater option, depreciate faster and yield you less money when you sell that car?
did you watch the whole video? he clearly explained why a hyundai would make more sense in a very specific situation. the koreans have been catching up really quick and are only getting better. i’d take the hyundai if i only had 10K to get a newer car by 5 years. he made a decision with facts. please provide the facts to back up your claim. opinions are useless. i only trust facts and data.
@@keviinschannel many many many Hyundai and Kia start burning oil between 60k-90k. This is common knowledge by now and needs no source. A Kia/Hyundai is never worth buying at 85k miles. Only might be worth the gamble buying lightly used and selling to an ignorant consumer at 85k.
@@keviinschannelyou’d still be better off buying a $10,000 Toyota over a 5 year old Hyundai/Kia junk. Call Kia up right now and record the phone call. See if you can even get a replacement motor. I’ll wait for the video. Imma tell you the answer…no, no you can’t! Why? Because they are having major major engine problems. Junk yards are selling used motors for $4,000 that’s too premium price because engine failure is so prominent. So no you’re insane thinking a Hyundai of any year is a good deal.
@@Hellcat71782 i’m not the doubter here. i’ll wait for you to collect the evidence and expose kia to the whole world! you will go viral for exposing the “truth”. stop the nonsense here. your opinion is simply hearsay. you make bold claims but have no data to back up your claims! i have friends who have had MAJOR issues with toyotas and hondas, not to mention their dealerships yet you don’t see me here like a doomsday cult follower spreading misinformation about the company as a whole. toyota followers seem to be a doomsday cult. i also had a honda die on me. i can’t take the nonsense and hearsay anymore. someone give me FACTS and DATA. enough of the opinions.
I haven't had any oil burners since I quit buying GM. My Isuzu, Fords, Mazdas, Mitsubishi, Dodge Hemi, Infiniti 3.7, and now my Nissan Titan didn't or don't burn oil. I'm 80 and have owned over 60 vehicles. The only engine failures I've had were GM.
Speaking from experience Toyota to 300k maintenance: Oil change every 5k or 6 months no exceptions. Tranny fluid and coolant 60k/6 years. Spark plugs 120k/10 years. Pray your suspension lasts or has only minor problems. 200k+ suspension problems start to crop up depending on how you drive. Pray your cat doesn't die. Do tires/brakes/12v battery as needed. That's about it. But no, you can't maintain a Toyota to 300k with just oil changes.
Buy the best Toyota you can afford if you plan on keeping the car. If you just lease and never own you can buy nearly anything and not have any problems. (Except Dodge Hornets and Alfa Romeos)
My 2022 Chevy Malibu burns oil, I usually have to put a quart of oil in before the next oil change. Looking at a toyota, but Im so upside down on my Malibu at the moment. Should of never gotten rid of my 04 solara, it had 260k miles and ran like a champ 😕
I can't believe you would even CONSIDER a Hyundai or Kia, especially after the warranty has expired at 85K miles. (Blown engines and safety concerns!) Their quality and safety is abysmal and manufacturer support post-warranty is notorious. To me it is a no brainer to buy the Toyota Camry. If you want a cheaper, safer, reliable and better cost effective buy get a Nissan. Just get ready to swap out the crappy CVT at 85K. Stick to TOYOTA or HONDA and everyone will be happier. You do get what you pay for.
The Toyota Camery the earlier ones l mean 20 to 25 years old still plenty of them still driving around and this in N.S.W Australia were we nave yearly rego checks and my 27 year old Hilux is still running well
Yes I still see some 4th gen Camry on the road. I do see a few Carolla & Civic from early 90s also & 1 Camry from that era in my city. There is one shop that has two gold colored 1999 Camry still used as loaner cars in great shape with no apparent rust.
@@jorgepagan6784 It comes down to what is best for your business l personally don't like Hyundai or Kia there reputation is not the best but on the other hand look at Toyota's reputation for good solid reliability and l am a self contest Toyota fan boy because l own a 1997 Toyota Hilux which is the best carburatored four cylinder vehicle l have ever owned and l have owned a lot of vehicles in my career as a courier retired now
What’s funny about this debate is that most people would not put this much thought into reliability,they buy on emotion. My wife likes jeeps for some reason but I have to tell her reasons to not buy them. I have driven Hondas for decades now and they have been put through the wringers and the only time one left me stranded was three years ago in -44 temps. I was heading to work in my ‘14 5 speed Civic coupe in northern Alberta and after driving all day from the warmer coast,I got there and shut the car off. The air intake boot tore open because of the temp outside after running for 14 hours hot and then getting that cold while sitting for a couple hours.Genuine Honda intake boot was only 25$ so I keep a spare in my trunk now. 😊
I have a 2023 Honda Accord EX. What Honda recommends for gas to use is debatable. I have been filling the car up with 91 Octane. On the highway I saw I was getting 49 MPG. Does higher octane give better gas mileage?
These in dash estimates of MPG are not right. My CX-5 always says it gets 2-3 miles per gallon more than when I calculate the old fashioned way. What I am saying is 49 mpg in a Honda accord more than likely is not correct
No, it doesn't. Higher octane means less chance of knock (spontaneous combustion). Modern engines have a knock sensor, that changes the ignition to a later moment, thus effectively reducing your power output. I am a bit shocked by the low octane fuels you are using in America. Standard here in Europe is 95, and 'super' means 98 octane. Most ordinary cars use 95 octane here. So does my Toyota Yaris Hybrid (not the same model as in USA, I think they are called Prius I over with you). By the way, Hyundai and Kia are considered good over here, but Toyota/Lexus, Honda and Mazda are considered to be a better buy, new as well as used.
Europe uses the RON or research octane number alone on the pumps. The US and Canada use a combination of the RON and MON numbers to come up with the number on the pump. Our 93 octane here in Canada is the same as your 98 so basically the different grades of fuel used are the same,just have different numbers in the end.
You are rare nowadays even having loaners to use. Wish I had not let my bias get in the way nine years ago and gotten a toyota instead of a nissan for my wife. Would most likely not have to be replacing it soon. Though it does have just over 200,000 on it.
I know of a guy with a Hyunda has had 3 engines before 130k. My immediate family between 7 toyotas has 2.2 million never replaced an engine. Anybody that thinks Hyunda are close to Toyotas is clueless.
I really wonder, as of today, April 1st 2024, how much of the Toyota/Honda legendary quality is true, when compared to American, German or Korean makes?...from my experience of 43 years of driving, I think vehicle quality is much higher than 30-40 years ago...
Toyota makes a great vehicle. The problem, they are too expensive. I went through this in 2020. The engine on my old Chrysler TandC died. I had to buy a new used car. A 2017 Toyota Sienna at that time was going for $26k. A 2017 Chrysler Pacifica was going for $ 16k. Both same mileage 25k miles. Guys, I bought the Chrysler. The Toyota isn't worth $10k more. That is the reality.
A "courtesy" for our customers? That's salesman speak, unless you're actually donating these for free and have donations cover the cost of giving them to your customers. You meant to say offer the "service", as your customers are indeed paying for it. The deceptive salesmen language grinds my gears, which is I always repair my vehicles myself.
I would never buy a used Sonata unless I know someone took care of it. If i only have 10k budget, i’d rather buy older camry which would stand abuse much better than a sonata.
Ive financed 3 toyota products without any warranty,no issued or repairs,just maintenance oil,filters etc,the 2nd toyota avalon bought for 18 grand,drove it for 4 years and traded it in and got 18 grand.for a frod mustang gt that ended up a pos,with bearing material in oil catch can with 4,000 miles.Toyota for me until they start selling junk like the rest
I have a 2017 Camry LE with 37K miles on it. Should I trade it in for a new one ? I know it doest have much mileage but its now 7 years old. I could get a decent amount fir trade in while the mileage is still low, pay cash for difference for new one...
Keep it! New ones have CVT transmissions which are problematic and require a lot more maintenance, new transmission fluid every 20,000 miles and the cost of that service is higher.
Better stay away from them hyundai 2.4 GDI engines. I've had dozens towed into my shop with blown engines due to the low friction piston ring issues. Taking up to 3 months to get the new engine installed by the dealers under extended warranties implemented by a judge due to class action lawsuit. Kia's too!
You go on for at least 13 or 14 minutes indicating that a Toyota Camry is a better vehicle than the Hyundai Sonata-I think you should change the title of your video.
Toyotas are expensive as hell nowadays even the used ones. Some people just need a vehicle asap to get to work and thats usually when the Nissan versas, hyundais, or kias come into the picture. Everyone knows how cheap Nissans, Hyundais, or Kias are. For the people that can afford it, and want a long lasting vehicle, Toyotas and Hondas are your best bet.
All new vehicles depreciate a great deal first 3-5 years. Buying new unless it is a super deal is always a money loss. Toyota’s are reliable enough to buy a 5 yr old and it will still last for long time. If budgets affords, why not to get a new car, but if it is limited, a 3-5 yr old Camry will still be a good choice and will last for yrs. Hyundai is a total lottery, and I personally do not like to gamble.
Man Hyundai/Kia are trash. I've had to go through 2 engines both below 50k miles. I did my oil changed every 4k miles and luckily car was a gift and it was under warranty. But it's a horrible brand.
Long time Toyota owner of many makes... currently only a 2006 Corolla and 2014 Tundra. Both vehicles have been rock solid. I would never buy a Hyundai or KIA.... Japanese all day long. Sorry dude you are way off on this subject. Just stick to repairing vehicles. NO mechanic would recommend a Hyundai over a Toyota.
I wouldn’t buy a Hyundai or a Kia if they gave away new ones for FREE! I’ve owned 2 Hyundai and 4 Toyota’s I will NEVER own another Hyundai again!!! Terrible vehicles!!
@@Okoro17 I’m happy for you and your family but those vehicles were absolutely terrible for me! I would never spend my hard earned money on that crap again!
@@ChicagoSteve69 I'll say this. I just bought a Lexus for my wife recently. However, my mom once owned a Camry and about four years in, it was shutting off suddenly in the middle of the road. It was crap in our experience. Before recently, I could say that I would never own a Toyota product even if it were free. Toyota was also crap to so many others as well. So experience varies from one person to the next.
@@Okoro17 I get it, that’s your experience and it wasn’t good, I also had a couple of bad experiences with 2 Hyundai and you see some some of them and Kia need new engines.. Nope, never again, I’ve had 5 Toyota’s 3 Corolla’s one 2014 Camry that I still drive with no issues!! And a 2022 Venza, never any problems! Hyundai’s that were recalled for engine failure, 2011‑2019 Sonata vehicles with 2.4L GDI and 2.0L Turbo GDI engines. 2013‑2018 Santa Fe Sport and 2019 Santa Fe vehicles with 2.4L GDI and 2.0L Turbo GDI engines. 2014‑2015 and 2019 Tucson vehicles with 2.4L GDI engines. 2019 Veloster N vehicles with 2.0L Turbo GDI engines.
Buying Toyota vehicles have been one of the best financial decisions I have made.
Every Toyota I have bought outlasted its competitors by far.
I have four kids so obviously couldn’t afford new vehicles when they turned 16. I ended up bought used Camry vehicles and a Honda CR-V at well over 100K miles and 2003 Camry V6, 2005 Toyota Camry (2), a 2008 Honda CR-V. My kids now have grad and their Toyota and Honda have been driven past 200K miles and still running strong with few issues.
My 2005 Toyota Sienna drove past 330K miles without major repairs, now I am driving a 2021 Toyota Sienna Hybrid that is still running flawlessly at 93K miles.
Toyota parts are so easily accessible for less and Toyota dealers and Toyota mechanics are everywhere.
I bought my last Camry in 1998. I haven't needed a new car. 500,000 miles, just put on fourth timing belt. No Korean car is going close to that. My 1993 Camry has 800,000 on it. Original engine, tranny, alt, wheel bearings. Only thing replaced was AC compressor. It ain't even close. Gotta be in it for the long haul. I won`t even talk about my 1992 pickup.
There is an Elantra that got 450,000 miles on the original engine and transmission. I'm confused by your statement.
The problem is in your own statement. You said there is an Elantra with 450k miles, as in 1 that you heard of. There are thousands upon thousands of Camry’s,Corolla’s,Tacoma’s, 4Runners etc. with 500k+ miles. With Toyota it’s a normality, with Hyundai it’s an oddity. Now we can bring Lexus in on this convo to further make my point
@@valenteleanos4774 There is no problem with my statement. It's not uncommon to have Hyundai vehicles with 200,000 to 300,000 miles. It is not the only one that I saw with high mileage. It sounds like you are triggered by my statement. I'm not sure why what I stated bothers you so much.
@@Okoro17 🤣🤣🤣I’m triggered?? You’re the one commenting all up and down this comment section on multiple comments multiple times each one. You’re arguing with anybody and everybody that says the truth abt Hyundai’s and that’s that they are horrible Korean cars
@@valenteleanos4774 Yes, I have to set the record straight. You know, some people laugh because deep down, there's truth to a statement. Kind of like comedians for an example. When people laugh at what they say, they can see truth in the punchline or know it subconsciously.
The 2020-2023 2.5 Camry will go down in history as one of the best, simple, low-maintenance cars under $30k. 300k miles is almost guaranteed if you change the oils 👍
Really? How so? Just curious because I heard the previous generation was solid
@@Jack-pd4ps i have one they use the same engine in the rav4 which get abused more. the camry has been solid specifically the engine one not the hybrid. still drives new and i have a 2020.
I think it’s reliable, but I don’t think it’s simple. It has a heated thermostat variable displacement, oil pump, electronic water pump direct injection valve timing. There’s a lot going on.
@@slscamg So which year Camry is the best?
The 2018 - 2023 Camry was one of the first TNGA vehicles. Toyota put a load of money into TNGA so the cars turned out well. The 2018 and 2019s are pretty solid but people complained about the transmission shifting which was a software and tuning issues that I think doesn't really affect reliability.
There's nothing bad about previous generations (except the 2007 - 2010 Camrys) but Toyota really stepped up the 2018+ models.
Good advise for general public and car ownership habits.
It doesn't work for someone who works on their own and keep it until it's no longer economical to keep repairing. I.E., owner of a 27 year old Geo Prizm and couple of 17 year old Honda Accords will tell you most Toyota's and some Honda's will outlast a Hyundai by a decade or more. And more modern design means more modules, sensors, screens will fail, often without factory support after that much time.
I'm not putting anyone in a Hyundai or Kia. Not even an enemy.
Well we have two in our family and it's worked out well over the years. I would certainly call your comment a troll comment here.
@@Okoro17 I watch the news and see a new recall every week or two. I also have personal experience renting a Kona. While driving it the power completely shut down. Thank God I was the one driving and not my wife. BTW, the most recent recall was a 'park outside' recall. That's the most dangerous type. 😀 Enjoy your cars.
@@inboxnews And Toyota too has had park outside recalls or did you live under a rock? Recalls are very common, even with Toyota.
@@Okoro17 False and you need to show some source other than CNN or MSDNC.
@@inboxnews Now I know that you are a troll. You should stop. Use Google if you are not.
I learned one thing over the years it's pay now or pay later. Buy a better car you pay now buy a cheaper car you pay latter.
Or buy a cheaper car and enjoy the savings. That does exist you know.
@@Okoro17Yes but you missed the point. IF you buy a cheaper car you will pay later.
@@midiman5045 I think you missed my point entirely too. Sometimes you can spend less money and enjoy the product for many years.
@@Okoro17I got your point but I think you missed my point sometimes you can't.
@@midiman5045 Sure, but in my experience and the experience of many others, Hyundai and Kia represent the choice of pay less and enjoy the savings.
my brother got 2020 hyundai and ALREADY burning OIL!
less than 20,000 mile.
Is that what your chinese mom told you?
@@etvow kimuchi korean mom
@@tocreatee3585what? You flocked your kungpao chicken Chinese stir fry mom?
my toyota died on me! i trusted the toyota religion followers and i got burned!
Hey not the only one. I had 2 engines replaced by Hyundai because of rod knock both below 50k.
I don't think it has to be that toyota owners love their cars more.
It can be a simple math problem also.
If your car has a blue book of 10K, that 8K repair is horrible.
If your car has a blue book of 16K, that 8K repair is not as bad.
some just can't afford to do maintenance.
Thank you for compiling this data.
Thanks for watching!
Great Video.
I got lucky. I purchased new a 2009 Hyundai Sonata and my wife got a new 2013 Hyundai Elantra.
So I have the engine that Hyundai got right. Manifold fuel injection and before they changed how they manufactured the engine (where they left a lot of debris and created other issues). I've got over 300,000 miles on my Sonata with no engine issues (I also run Mobile 1 and change oil /filter typically every 5000-6000 miles: First oil change at about 2000 miles).
My wife also has the Elantra engine before they moved to direct injection (which created a lot of engine issues). She has well over 200,000 miles on it (we also use Mobile 1 with 5000-6000 mile oil/filter changes and did an early 1st oil change).
Other than routine wear and tear items - no major repairs on either car. Biggest thing I did was replace the struts on the 2009 Sonata. My wife hit some debris that damaged the catalytic converter and she had to replace that. Tires, brakes, fluid changes, windshield wipers, headlight and other bulbs, etc.
I'm a Toyota owner. on my second Toyota. my first was 2007 Toyota Camry XLE v6 excellent engine. at 168K on it was still worth $5000. trade it for 2012 Toyota Venza AWD XLE v6 the same engine only this time with AWD system very happy with Toyota.
Yes. I owned the same car for 20 years. No issues.
When you said that age gets to the car as much as miles
I have a 99 corolla
Age really gets to a car when it is driven infrequently or not at all. Letting a car sit for too long causes seals that need regular lubrication to dry out and fail. Tires will dry rot and have to be replaced.
Not always true I own a 1968 camaro, 1978 Bronco, 1982 Benz, 1983 Benz and daily a 2003 civic. So she isn’t the only factor. Maintenance is the major concern
thank you for your insight. always nice when mechanics back up their claims with facts. this will help me buy my next car. too many mechanics speaking out of their rear end with no data to back up their claims. you are a mature and educated individual. thank you for not fear mongering.
Buy a Toyota over a Hyundai 10 times outta 10.
Well thanks! Glad we could help. And thank you for the kind words!
the issue I am finding buying older, used toyotas, is people think they can do the minimal maintenance on them. never change cabin or engine filters. not enough oil changes. So, I end up with a car that consumes oil (2009 camry), or one that needs it's entire front end suspension replaced, 2009 venza, along with fresh fluid exchanges. they also want more than the cars are actually worth because of the toyota reliability label. so, what's worse is I feel like I stupidly overpaid for cars I still have to put a bunch of money into. the used car market sucks, but, I was not going to buy teenagers 3-4yo CPO cars. I almost feel like I should have bought a 2015 ford escape for $7000 vs the Venza, and taking my chances on a new transmission. I'd still be way ahead.
I'm personally never buying a Sonata again. My daughter's Sonata just had so many issues. She now has a Honda and its been smooth sailing.
Good video with a lot of great points. A lot of comments are Hyundai/Kia haters. They did have horrible issues with some 2 L engines and sonatas but so do Toyota with oil burning engines over many years. Hyundai and Kia quality is going way way up and they make some really really nice cars now.
I live in Ontario, Canada, and the salt on the winter roads here rusts out cars so fast! Meanwhile, older Toyotas are still crazy-high in price compared to other makes. So you wind up paying a premium price for just a pile of RUST if you buy a 10-year-old (or older) Toyota for half the price of what a new Toyota costs. The much better plan is to just buy a new Toyota, a cheaper base Corolla LE instead of a top-level Camry.
I bought a brand new Toyota truck and had NOTHING BUT failures with just about every system. Bad seal on a oil filter caused engine to seize, then I had nothing but problems after that. Main ignition wiring harness would heat up and it wouldn't start had to wait for it to cool down and then having dealerships charge me for something that they did not fix... It was a huge joke. Had to fight to get them to fix anything wrong with it under warranty, had to go through arbitration, talking with district managers because dealerships suck and were not willing to help. I went through 3 rear main seals. One thing after another, when people talk to me about Toyota quality and lasting a long time I'm sorry but I laugh at them... After 1.5 years, yes one and a half years I had racked up enough repair slips that were as thick as a phone book or bible... In contrast I bought a brand new Chevy silverado and had nothing but greatness and reliability, the Chevy has never let me down and it's almost 30 years old now..... I am not ignorant to all the changes since I bought my truck, from what I hear almost ALL vehicles have become unreliable, and doesn't matter the make or model they pretty much all suck and have issues, GM, Ford, Mopar etc... too much tech in my opinion, they should go back to simple designs and less features and options. I would love a truck that has a simple throttle body injection system with a straight 6 or V8 with no turbo's or whatnot and no electronic touch screen tech, a truck for me is a tool and that is what I need it for to tow and haul things.
Keep on buying them Chevy's then and I will keep buying the Toyotas and I will ALWAYS win over the Chevy buyer. All vehicle brands have a lemon they are made by humans , but they are far less with Toyota. I will also beat you with resale valiues and trade in values as well so by all means keep buying the engine blowing Chevy's and I will keep betting on Toyota!
Was the oil filter double gasket by mistake when changing the oil?
@@toddsmith1617 Nope!
No mention of years/models/origin...
I have 5 Toyotas currently, all run flawlessly. My 2011 RAV4 was bought with 212,000 miles, it now has 220,000 and is running like a champ.
The last 3 Toyotas that I traded in were running flawlessly.
My new Japan-built 2020 model year Toyota (built in late 2019) was a bag full of problems, issues & defects, & needed towing on several occasions for various failures after leaving me stranded across town. The Toyota dealership I purchased it from was apathetic & not very helpful on every occasion. I only kept it for 2 years & 10K miles before finally ditching it out of frustration for a 2022 Mazda CX-30 CE (my first-ever Mazda purchase) - which has been completely problem, issue, & defect free for over 2 years now.
Cool story, bro
Specific mazda details, not a single mention of Toyota model or type.
I would never buy a hybrid from any brand.
@@brb1050 It was a new 2020 TNGA Toyota Corolla SE Sedan 6-MT, built in Japan (J-VIN) during the last quarter of 2019. Most problematic vehicle I have owned in 42 years of driving, across 9 new Honda/Acura/Toyota vehicles before it & 1 Mazda after it.
@@dystopia-usawhat problems have you experienced?
@@otomoravec1732 Push-button starter failure, reoccurring electrical/battery issues, transmission shifter issues, & yellowish discoloration over the first year with the Super White Toyota paint on the plastic painted sections. Vehicle also developed too many interior rattles in the doors, pillars, dash & roof of the cabin to count. :/ It was a 2020 Corolla SE Sedan 6-MT. Worst vehicle experience in 40+ years & 11 different new Honda, Acura, & Toyota vehicles over that span.
My 2011 Camry hasn't needed any major repair. Doesn't even burn oil.
Wife's 1998 Rav4 just had the original exhaust replaced. Everything including the AC still works. Still original.
But the Toyota will easily do another 100,000 miles without major repairs. The Hyundai would be lucky to do 50,000.
He’s a mechanic he wants the repair work.
I agree
Facts.
Depends. There's model years that can last a long time especially hyundais from 2001 to 2010 ish. Know a guy with a Santa fe 2009 with 165,000 miles and other guy had a 06 elantra at 280,000 miles before selling it. Now anything after gas wise yeah I wouldn't say Hyundai has done too well after that.
@@robmalcolm8042any Hyundai with GDI has a very high failure rate.
To even compare a Toyota Camry to any Hyundai is pure automotive blasphemy.
Bs
Agreed.Hyundai is a garbage company that makes garbage vehicles
My Hyundai is at 140k miles everything is absolutely fine and it's actually fun to drive.
@@Art_Vandelay295 This. Never again.
Look at the upload date of the video...
Your analysis makes sense in dollars and cents; however, car buyers also take into consideration styling, comfort, ride, vehicle dynamics and handling; and there's an emotional component as well. I owned a 2018 Mazda CX5 from new. Loved the styling and the driver centric theme; it was pretty trouble-free but getting up there in mileage. This time around I bought a Toyota because I want to keep it forever.
Had a friend that had the same choice, went with the older toyota. Transmission failed her a year later.
Dang it!
What is the resale value on the 2017 Camry and Sonata? You mentioned 10k for a 2012 Camry with probably 150k miles. I would bet a Sonata with same age and miles is around 3k resale. So in the same sense the Toyota wins in resale and less likely to have higher repair bills.
He says in the video a 2017 Camry is worth $16,000. 5:11. If you're buying new a Toyota is the better buy, if you're given a budget of $10k to buy a used car it gets murky because you'd have to buy a lot older Toyota ie a 2012 which mechanically might be just as good as a 2017 Hyundai but features and safety won't be as updated ie backup camera.
I totaled my 2010 Corolla and 100% plan on buying another Corolla. They're really good cars.
2017 hyundai with 85K miles on it worth ZERO $.
that $10,000 is all profit.
thats the price they sell it to YOU.
Great information, thank you for sharing your knowledge!
After 6 or 7 years, the Hyundau/Kia will probably need a new engine or tranny. My 2012 Camry with over 300K still runs like a Seiko clock. I hardly see any Sonata over 6 years old on the road today.
The same as Korean appliances. My old GE refrigerator was almost 30 years old till I got tired of it and replaced it with a SS, French door, and fancy LG. It broke down after 7 years. My old Kenmore washer lasted decades before I replaced them with a very expensive Samsung. The Samsung washer does not do a good washing job and the screen keeps shutting off to the extent that I cannot even turn it on/off. Eventually I will go back to the basics and purchase a top load Maytag or a Speed Queen if I have more budget.
i do oil change for friends’ car for fun. I see oil consumption for Optima and Sonata at 40-50k miles.
I have a 2016 Sonata that I bought for 10k with 33k miles in 2018. It now has 134k miles and the only issue with it is the EXCESSIVE oil burning (1 qt every 800 miles). Nothing has failed I’ve only had to do normal maintenance. I have wanted to sell the car and get a Toyota but it’s hard to fault the car when it has been nothing but good to me. I do oil and filter every 5k and only let it get a half qt low. I’ve done all other maintenance at the proper intervals as well. So now I am going to see how many miles I can get before it doesn’t make financial sense to repair it. I think the way you take care of your car it’s more important than who made it. That being said my next vehicle will be a Toyota.
Makes sense! Thanks for the content!
Happy to help. Thanks for the comment!
@ShadetreeAutomotiveLayton appreciated the cost analysis of the 2023’s for $25,000 and also the expected retail value after six years. But you didn’t include buying a used 2017 for $10,000 - $16,000 with what the retail might be after a few years.
I still think you’re further ahead buying a used Toyota for $16,000 that you will still have equity in to resell in several years. The $10,000 Hyundai in several years will be worth far less. You’re also right that a catastrophic failure on an older Kia usually means it goes to the scrapyard or sold for peanuts, where a Toyota is more likely to be repaired. But even if somebody repairs a catastrophic failure in a Kia/Hyundai, when it comes to resale, you won’t get any more (or less) for it. It ends up eating up the last of the equity someone has into their Kia/Hyundai if it survives 10-15 years.
You should count the lower depreciation costs for Toyota & higher insurance costs due to theft for Hyundai
The only sedan with a turbo id recommend ia the 10/11 gen Honda civic. Of course they dont have the perfect track record but its a ton better than any korean car brand (hyundai, kia, genesis) ive had my honda civic 1.5 turbo for 6+ years now and have no jssues.
I got 2024 Camry specifically so I would not have the extra repair and maintenance cost of having a turbo. I think all Toyotas will have it by 2025. A race to the bottom and Toyota was one of the last holdouts.
@Wavetheory85 toyota also has multi port with direct injection design so the ports don't get dirty and even at higher miles it's proved to work. Honda and Hyundai/Kia just have full blown gdi direct injection design that will be a issue no matter what brand if it's gdi without something to clean the valves it will be a issue. This guy probably is always changing the oil often. Like 3000 mile changes in a direct injection and it will still build up carbon .
@@robmalcolm8042 I’m not even a car guy and only do minor stuff but I do watch the car care nut and do recall him mentioning something about that also. I drove a 2019 optima almost 100k miles before getting rid of it so I got a feel for what type of disaster those are.
I’m confused on why you would compare a Toyota with a Hyundai. The better comparison would be a Toyota with a Honda and then maybe a Hyundai with it’s Kia sibling or something like a Chevy Malibu. I also question your “average price”. I live in a low cost part of the country and I’d be hard pressed to find a Camry with 20k miles for 25k. Same with Hyundai or any car for that matter with such low miles. It’s funny to me how you acknowledge the Hyundai’s much greater chance of catastrophic AND faster depreciation but still see it as a more “sensible” buy in certain scenarios such as a fleet purchase. The only way I see this as a win for your business is if you can write off the depreciation and added expenses that a Hyundai provides. Either way, your not really looking out for the customer or even your own interests if you “invest” in a car that might leave your customer stranded or take time out of one of your service bays to have repaired. Unless someone owns a shop, this video is really of no use to the average car buyer. And even if you are a car shop owner….why would you invest in a tool or car that you know will fail more times than the greater option, depreciate faster and yield you less money when you sell that car?
It's part of a false mainstream narrative, pushing the idea that Hyundai/Kia are somehow equal to or better than Toyota or Honda quality wise.
bc the Hyundai are all burning oil after 60k and will need new engines if they aren’t stolen. Sonata and optima’s aren’t even comparable to Camry
did you watch the whole video? he clearly explained why a hyundai would make more sense in a very specific situation. the koreans have been catching up really quick and are only getting better. i’d take the hyundai if i only had 10K to get a newer car by 5 years. he made a decision with facts. please provide the facts to back up your claim. opinions are useless. i only trust facts and data.
@@keviinschannel many many many Hyundai and Kia start burning oil between 60k-90k. This is common knowledge by now and needs no source. A Kia/Hyundai is never worth buying at 85k miles. Only might be worth the gamble buying lightly used and selling to an ignorant consumer at 85k.
@@Wavetheory85 i only trust data. common knowledge leads one to the average life of a commoner; broke, wage slave, and depressed.
@@keviinschannelyou’d still be better off buying a $10,000 Toyota over a 5 year old Hyundai/Kia junk. Call Kia up right now and record the phone call. See if you can even get a replacement motor. I’ll wait for the video. Imma tell you the answer…no, no you can’t! Why? Because they are having major major engine problems. Junk yards are selling used motors for $4,000 that’s too premium price because engine failure is so prominent. So no you’re insane thinking a Hyundai of any year is a good deal.
@@Hellcat71782 i’m not the doubter here. i’ll wait for you to collect the evidence and expose kia to the whole world! you will go viral for exposing the “truth”. stop the nonsense here. your opinion is simply hearsay. you make bold claims but have no data to back up your claims! i have friends who have had MAJOR issues with toyotas and hondas, not to mention their dealerships yet you don’t see me here like a doomsday cult follower spreading misinformation about the company as a whole. toyota followers seem to be a doomsday cult. i also had a honda die on me. i can’t take the nonsense and hearsay anymore. someone give me FACTS and DATA. enough of the opinions.
My 2016 Lexus is 300 is the first vehicle I've owned that doesn't burn oil...yet
Just hit 85K. Doesn't burn a drop. Hope my luck continues
I haven't had any oil burners since I quit buying GM. My Isuzu, Fords, Mazdas, Mitsubishi, Dodge Hemi, Infiniti 3.7, and now my Nissan Titan didn't or don't burn oil. I'm 80 and have owned over 60 vehicles. The only engine failures I've had were GM.
2019 Corolla 88k miles for 11k private sale, deals are out there! You just have to wait.
Toyotas depreciate slower because their engines dont grenade themselves at 100-120k due to bearing and ring defects the way Hyundai/Kia do.
Thank you. This is the kind of stuff we need. Add it to Scotty's bias and it is a form of confirmation.
Well thank you! We enjoy Scotty’s content and have for years but do feel there is more that can be said on most things.
The cost per mile is cheaper on the toyota at every year.
Speaking from experience Toyota to 300k maintenance: Oil change every 5k or 6 months no exceptions. Tranny fluid and coolant 60k/6 years. Spark plugs 120k/10 years. Pray your suspension lasts or has only minor problems. 200k+ suspension problems start to crop up depending on how you drive. Pray your cat doesn't die. Do tires/brakes/12v battery as needed. That's about it. But no, you can't maintain a Toyota to 300k with just oil changes.
Think Toyota will ever make a 2500 or 3500 dually?
In real life, the initial purchase price of a Sonata is at least 2-3 thousand dollars less than the Camry.
Buy the best Toyota you can afford if you plan on keeping the car. If you just lease and never own you can buy nearly anything and not have any problems. (Except Dodge Hornets and Alfa Romeos)
My 2022 Chevy Malibu burns oil, I usually have to put a quart of oil in before the next oil change. Looking at a toyota, but Im so upside down on my Malibu at the moment. Should of never gotten rid of my 04 solara, it had 260k miles and ran like a champ 😕
I can't believe you would even CONSIDER a Hyundai or Kia, especially after the warranty has expired at 85K miles. (Blown engines and safety concerns!) Their quality and safety is abysmal and manufacturer support post-warranty is notorious. To me it is a no brainer to buy the Toyota Camry. If you want a cheaper, safer, reliable and better cost effective buy get a Nissan. Just get ready to swap out the crappy CVT at 85K. Stick to TOYOTA or HONDA and everyone will be happier. You do get what you pay for.
The Toyota Camery the earlier ones l mean 20 to 25 years old still plenty of them still driving around and this in N.S.W Australia were we nave yearly rego checks and my 27 year old Hilux is still running well
I absolutely agree
Yes I still see some 4th gen Camry on the road. I do see a few Carolla & Civic from early 90s also & 1 Camry from that era in my city. There is one shop that has two gold colored 1999 Camry still used as loaner cars in great shape with no apparent rust.
@@jorgepagan6784 It comes down to what is best for your business l personally don't like Hyundai or Kia there reputation is not the best but on the other hand look at Toyota's reputation for good solid reliability and l am a self contest Toyota fan boy because l own a 1997 Toyota Hilux which is the best carburatored four cylinder vehicle l have ever owned and l have owned a lot of vehicles in my career as a courier retired now
What’s funny about this debate is that most people would not put this much thought into reliability,they buy on emotion. My wife likes jeeps for some reason but I have to tell her reasons to not buy them. I have driven Hondas for decades now and they have been put through the wringers and the only time one left me stranded was three years ago in -44 temps. I was heading to work in my ‘14 5 speed Civic coupe in northern Alberta and after driving all day from the warmer coast,I got there and shut the car off. The air intake boot tore open because of the temp outside after running for 14 hours hot and then getting that cold while sitting for a couple hours.Genuine Honda intake boot was only 25$ so I keep a spare in my trunk now. 😊
I have a 2023 Honda Accord EX. What Honda recommends for gas to use is debatable. I have been filling the car up with 91 Octane. On the highway I saw I was getting 49 MPG. Does higher octane give better gas mileage?
These in dash estimates of MPG are not right. My CX-5 always says it gets 2-3 miles per gallon more than when I calculate the old fashioned way. What I am saying is 49 mpg in a Honda accord more than likely is not correct
No, it doesn't. Higher octane means less chance of knock (spontaneous combustion). Modern engines have a knock sensor, that changes the ignition to a later moment, thus effectively reducing your power output.
I am a bit shocked by the low octane fuels you are using in America. Standard here in Europe is 95, and 'super' means 98 octane. Most ordinary cars use 95 octane here. So does my Toyota Yaris Hybrid (not the same model as in USA, I think they are called Prius I over with you).
By the way, Hyundai and Kia are considered good over here, but Toyota/Lexus, Honda and Mazda are considered to be a better buy, new as well as used.
Europe uses the RON or research octane number alone on the pumps. The US and Canada use a combination of the RON and MON numbers to come up with the number on the pump. Our 93 octane here in Canada is the same as your 98 so basically the different grades of fuel used are the same,just have different numbers in the end.
@@Whateva67 OK - thanks for the info!
You are rare nowadays even having loaners to use. Wish I had not let my bias get in the way nine years ago and gotten a toyota instead of a nissan for my wife. Would most likely not have to be replacing it soon. Though it does have just over 200,000 on it.
I know of a guy with a Hyunda has had 3 engines before 130k. My immediate family between 7 toyotas has 2.2 million never replaced an engine. Anybody that thinks Hyunda are close to Toyotas is clueless.
Great analysis. Thanks for sharing.
Glad you liked it! Thanks for your support!
You guys produced nice video, Are you open to work with other shop?
Absolutely! Where are you located?
@@ShadetreeAutomotiveLayton We are a Launch scan tool top dealer from China
Great info it really has helped me so thank you
Why not Accord?
I really wonder, as of today, April 1st 2024, how much of the Toyota/Honda legendary quality is true, when compared to American, German or Korean makes?...from my experience of 43 years of driving, I think vehicle quality is much higher than 30-40 years ago...
In my 23y of driving, Korean makes are still trash vs Toyota and Honda. I could never afford to even consider American made cars.
Not sure about the Toyota future though, with the new turbos, and general engine changes.
Toyota makes a great vehicle. The problem, they are too expensive. I went through this in 2020. The engine on my old Chrysler TandC died. I had to buy a new used car. A 2017 Toyota Sienna at that time was going for $26k. A 2017 Chrysler Pacifica was going for $ 16k. Both same mileage 25k miles. Guys, I bought the Chrysler. The Toyota isn't worth $10k more. That is the reality.
A "courtesy" for our customers?
That's salesman speak, unless you're actually donating these for free and have donations cover the cost of giving them to your customers.
You meant to say offer the "service", as your customers are indeed paying for it.
The deceptive salesmen language grinds my gears, which is I always repair my vehicles myself.
I would never buy a used Sonata unless I know someone took care of it. If i only have 10k budget, i’d rather buy older camry which would stand abuse much better than a sonata.
the koreans are catching up very quick. i can’t wait to see how reliable the kias and hyundais of today are. they will only get better.
Still trash as of 2020. Time will tell but I doubt their reputatuion they have spent 30y to establish will change
Ive financed 3 toyota products without any warranty,no issued or repairs,just maintenance oil,filters etc,the 2nd toyota avalon bought for 18 grand,drove it for 4 years and traded it in and got 18 grand.for a frod mustang gt that ended up a pos,with bearing material in oil catch can with 4,000 miles.Toyota for me until they start selling junk like the rest
Sorry, but for the current generation, I would easily take the base trim Corolla over the base trim Civic, any day.
I have a 2017 Camry LE with 37K miles on it. Should I trade it in for a new one ? I know it doest have much mileage but its now 7 years old. I could get a decent amount fir trade in while the mileage is still low, pay cash for difference for new one...
Don't trade. Sell to a private buyer
Keep it! New ones have CVT transmissions which are problematic and require a lot more maintenance, new transmission fluid every 20,000 miles and the cost of that service is higher.
@@paulariese260 thank you, I have decided I will keep it 😉
Better stay away from them hyundai 2.4 GDI engines. I've had dozens towed into my shop with blown engines due to the low friction piston ring issues. Taking up to 3 months to get the new engine installed by the dealers under extended warranties implemented by a judge due to class action lawsuit. Kia's too!
You go on for at least 13 or 14 minutes indicating that a Toyota Camry is a better vehicle than the Hyundai Sonata-I think you should change the title of your video.
Toyotas are expensive as hell nowadays even the used ones. Some people just need a vehicle asap to get to work and thats usually when the Nissan versas, hyundais, or kias come into the picture. Everyone knows how cheap Nissans, Hyundais, or Kias are. For the people that can afford it, and want a long lasting vehicle, Toyotas and Hondas are your best bet.
And the older sonatas are nothing like the newer ones
Id take the Toyota any day… Japanese versus Korean quality
You need to see the big picture.....( Toyota make sense on the long run .
Korean car, I don't think so.
thanks, more for me :)
All new vehicles depreciate a great deal first 3-5 years. Buying new unless it is a super deal is always a money loss. Toyota’s are reliable enough to buy a 5 yr old and it will still last for long time. If budgets affords, why not to get a new car, but if it is limited, a 3-5 yr old Camry will still be a good choice and will last for yrs. Hyundai is a total lottery, and I personally do not like to gamble.
Ok lets do american cars,Ford,Chevrolet and Dodge ect.
We’ll add it to the list. Thanks for your support!
1982 Toyota Celica muffler fell off after 3 years. I have never had GM or Ford have a muffler fall off.
$8,000 for a Camry engine replacement? No thanks
Man Hyundai/Kia are trash. I've had to go through 2 engines both below 50k miles. I did my oil changed every 4k miles and luckily car was a gift and it was under warranty. But it's a horrible brand.
Long time Toyota owner of many makes... currently only a 2006 Corolla and 2014 Tundra. Both vehicles have been rock solid. I would never buy a Hyundai or KIA.... Japanese all day long. Sorry dude you are way off on this subject. Just stick to repairing vehicles. NO mechanic would recommend a Hyundai over a Toyota.
I've owned 2 toyotas.. No thanks!! I'll stick with my domestics!!
There is never a point in time when buying a POS Hyundai/Kia is a good idea. I rather drive an electric powered shopping cart.
You be lucky a Kia or Hyndi would last that long. Thre are no rebuild engine for sale Thats how bad they are designed and manufactured.
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Hyundai's & Kia's have horrible engines.
I wouldn’t buy a Hyundai or a Kia if they gave away new ones for FREE! I’ve owned 2 Hyundai and 4 Toyota’s I will NEVER own another Hyundai again!!! Terrible vehicles!!
Funny. We have two Kia vehicles in our family and they have been great vehicles.
@@Okoro17 I’m happy for you and your family but those vehicles were absolutely terrible for me! I would never spend my hard earned money on that crap again!
@@ChicagoSteve69 I'll say this. I just bought a Lexus for my wife recently. However, my mom once owned a Camry and about four years in, it was shutting off suddenly in the middle of the road. It was crap in our experience. Before recently, I could say that I would never own a Toyota product even if it were free. Toyota was also crap to so many others as well. So experience varies from one person to the next.
@@Okoro17 I get it, that’s your experience and it wasn’t good, I also had a couple of bad experiences with 2 Hyundai and you see some some of them and Kia need new engines.. Nope, never again, I’ve had 5 Toyota’s 3 Corolla’s one 2014 Camry that I still drive with no issues!! And a 2022 Venza, never any problems! Hyundai’s that were recalled for engine failure, 2011‑2019 Sonata vehicles with 2.4L GDI and 2.0L Turbo GDI engines. 2013‑2018 Santa Fe Sport and 2019 Santa Fe vehicles with 2.4L GDI and 2.0L Turbo GDI engines. 2014‑2015 and 2019 Tucson vehicles with 2.4L GDI engines. 2019 Veloster N vehicles with 2.0L Turbo GDI engines.
@@ChicagoSteve69 Yes certain years just like the Tundra has an engine recall in effect right now.
CRAP! Both Toyota and Honda are good.
Toyota fan boys. They like them because they still run even after they are abused. Bunch of bs
This guy is being paid by huyndai
What a waste of 16 minutes of my life! Did not learn anything. Who buys 6yo car…a mechanic maybe.,.
this is why you have to watch videos at 2X speed! it only took me 8 min to watch this video
plenty of people buy 6 year old cars, you’d be shocked
@@keviinschannellol
Haha that’s actually good to know. Thank you!
Wow,you’re clueless
I will always chose to pay more for the Toyota because they dont have the breaking down issues the other brands have