I would love to hear Eris and Toland have a conversation this season. In my mind I see him grinning down from the Ascendant Plane. Eris did not squander.
Eriana-3 wasnt string enough on her own to fight off the hive. The buff should be when team mates are near it can one shot the oversoul and gains bonus damage against hive this would compliment the lore where when they were a fire team they were strong resilient but as their members fell off they started to crack... this would justify the damage bonus needed to one shot the oversoul and throttle the weapon in things like GM.
@@TheInfamousS it did just get the same buffs that all hand cannons did. 20% additional damage to all minor tier enemies and 75% against majors. That includes champions like the anti-barrier ones you would want to point it at.
No wonder the first crota team failed, they had 3 hunters everyone knows you gotta bring as many wells as possible to a day 1 smh EDIT: As flextape said, its a joke, calm down, its not that deep. I know well didnt exist back then
@@ShadowNemesis575 Radiant well doesn't need a nerf the other classes need better support supers. IMHO change bubble so you can shoot from inside of it would be a great change. For hunter no idea they really don't have a support super that I've seen but as I've never played hunter not the best insight lol. Also banner of war for titans is basically a mobile well and is VERY strong. Was doing an altars run today and had two banner titans...Jesus I was tanking shots from 3 nightmare wizards at once without taking significant damage.
Bad juju really needs love. It needs some fancy perk to activate when you get 5x string of curses. The feel of the weapon is good. It genuinely feels hungry when you use it like Thorn and Osteo Striga, but it doesn't pack the punch of those two. It feels like a weapon to end all existence.
Theres a secret perk on the gun, where after u get a ceetain number of kills back to back, ur next kills make explosions. The number required as nuts, something like 149
Why don't we have more lore about Eris and Toland interacting in the time since then? He's certainly very present on the Moon, as is Eris. And Eris learned much of what she knows by applying Toland's research to her own experiences.
With all this recent Crota's End lore recap bringing up alot of the class lore, it's got me wanting you to do a deep dive into the classes and their different orders, what their class items represent, the origins of the supers, etc.
@@spacemegalodon5049 Alternatively: "If you touch one hair on Eris' head, I'm telling The Guardian that you were in on the plot to kill Cayde. Go ask Crow how that turns out for most people."
I love the ending bit saying next time that you’ll cover the first Crota fireteam and how it overlaps with gameplay of crossing into the oversoul throne
Byf, is there any hope of getting footage of your Day 1 run? I'd love to hear your reactions to the revamped Throne World, as well as the inevitable argument with Barb about swapping off of Thundercrash XD
It really says a lot that despite the fact there were thousands of Guardians who went to moon, they still lost. I wonder if it's party due to the Guardian's wholehearted belief that they're immortal anyways? That no matter the enemy, they can outsurvive them even if the battle lasts for thousands of years?
We had not only killed crotas court but Also had peep from eriana via the chalice and peep from eris id not we would have been toast aswel plus crota was alr weakened due to his knight losing to xuivu
Imagine the irony of a Guardian killing Crota for the 1,345th time-but with Eriana’s Vow. Ironic, for him to die again, but this time by the gun that the fabled warlock had brought to try and kill him. Only for us to, in a way, take revenge for Eriana.
Love your videos but there is somthing I’d really love a closer look at, the Titan helmet Mask of the Quiet one. It paints a Titan in the light of a warlock, thinking more about how to use death for power, as opposed to the usual Titan response of punch it so hard it never was even there.
byf forgot one thing. its not just the deathsong he was after, but the power of the pyramid as well for as mentioned in the shadowkeep expansion, he as known about nezerac's pyramid from the beginning and never once did he told them about that pyramid!
@@XDieKillDieXIt’d be great if he came back as an empowered Hive God. Think about it: the remaining worm gods still alive, upon hearing of the Witness’ defeat, and deaths of Xivu and Savathun, could try corrupting Eris. Her having returned from being killed after behind conjured back with vengeance-in the form of us killing Xivu, then slaughtering Savathun, and both hive gods’ broods. Learning that their numbers have depleted by much, and the Hive Gods no longer live to protect them, as well as Eris resisting the corruption of the Deep and the Worms, they then decide to ascend Toland the Shattered. Normally, they would rather first die before bringing back one as weak as Toland, as it is against the Sword Logic to do so: the dead deserve to die, the weak, don’t deserve existence. Yet, the events of Final Shape, and Witch Queen reveal they must, bend their rules, if they hope not to be hunted to extinction by the Guardians and they’re allies. Upon agreeing, they summon the remnant soul of Toland, and offer him a bargain that promises the fallen Warlock power and his physical form, remade, in the shape of the Hive. The Worm Gods, hiding their desperation like bandages hide a wound, hope that a human, scarred by the Hive as Eris Morn was, may be able to match her, and even be able to corrupt her as they couldn’t. Toland, Hive god of greed, would first bring the broods of Xivu Arath, and Savathun into his fold, then flocking to his banner. He then captures the Dreadnuaght, slaughtering those of Xivu’s brood that still occupy the flagship, sparing those that join him. After expanding and building up his Throne World, witch stolen riches, knowledge, and other relics, through conquest and trickery, his Throne World is established. With his only rival being Eris Morn, and many of his brood and enemies exhibiting greed of many forms: lust, grief of not letting go, blinded by hate, hoarding loot and knowledge, Toland, Hive god of Greed, aims to take all he wishes from Sol. Pride, manipulation, and ambition being his greatest boons, and greatest weapons.
Wouldn't be surprised if they were saving a toland season or small DLC for after final shape. Between him, the corrupted guardians there is enough content there
He’d probably believe it to be appropriate, as such a weapon would enact the Sword Logic in helping us slaughter more and more Hive. But, he’d probably be upset that a heretic like Savathun, which forsook the Deep for the Light, manipulated Death Bringer’s creation.
Thank you to TH-cam's generated Captions, who just revealed to me the Eris Mourn's name could also be spelled Heiress, as in female heir to a throne. A hive throne? A taken throne?
I quite like the concept, it shows an example of how Destiny classes are moreso a product of tradition than a direct specific tie to the guardian themselves makes character dynamics more interesting than having strict binary characteristics based on their class.
@@ciguret Hell, the only thing we know about the possible subclass Vell used is that his quote is for a solar bounty in guardian games. So they had legitimately no support based abilities at all. 4 Solar supers(Both Warlocks, One hunter, and the one Titan) and 2 Arc Bladedancers(Eris and the other hunter)
Not every player has played since D1 year 1. Nothing wrong with refresher content. Mans gotta make a living my guy, dont watch it if you arent interested
To be honest, as someone who's been around since the beginning I appreciate the cleaner understanding of the lore. Bungie has changed, added, retconned so much and alot of the lore surrounding D1 is shaky so while I personally feel these remade lore videos are a bit bloated for me I can definitely see the need for the bloat for newer players. Imagine trawling through old lore videos after so many revalations over the years
"Hey want to kill Crota to get revenge?"
"Yeah"
*Actually goes to learn Hive magic like a boss*
I wouldn't say "like a boss". The only thing he got out of his duplicity was becoming a (literally) insignificant blip of light for all eternity.
@@FINETUNEDGAMING I wouldn't say insignificant, just not very self autonomous.
That blob of light was useful for at least one dungeon.
9:25 I love the timing on TH-cam ads
“It reads as follows…”
‘TESCO EMPLOYEES-’
I bet Toland is grinning from ear to ear if he knows about Eris's ascend to a hive god
If he's grinning, it's because she had to do things the absolute hard way
I would love to hear Eris and Toland have a conversation this season. In my mind I see him grinning down from the Ascendant Plane. Eris did not squander.
Does erianas vow one shot the oversoul? I feel it should
if it doesn't that would be a fair buff for it
The gun needs a massive buff in general. It should be an anti-hive staple at the very least the same way Skyburner's should be for Cabal.
Eriana-3 wasnt string enough on her own to fight off the hive. The buff should be when team mates are near it can one shot the oversoul and gains bonus damage against hive this would compliment the lore where when they were a fire team they were strong resilient but as their members fell off they started to crack... this would justify the damage bonus needed to one shot the oversoul and throttle the weapon in things like GM.
Tier the damage increase to hive determine by the number of fire team members with the ability to one shot the oversoul at 5 gaurdians
@@TheInfamousS it did just get the same buffs that all hand cannons did. 20% additional damage to all minor tier enemies and 75% against majors. That includes champions like the anti-barrier ones you would want to point it at.
No wonder the first crota team failed, they had 3 hunters
everyone knows you gotta bring as many wells as possible to a day 1 smh
EDIT: As flextape said, its a joke, calm down, its not that deep. I know well didnt exist back then
Um there was no well in Destiny 1 lol
It’s a joke. It’s not that deep.
But yeah, keep as many hunters and titans out as possible for day one’s.
@@FlexTapeApe and that's exactly why crota's damage was tuned specifically to dunk on wells and the super is getting a well deserved nerf lmao
@@FlexTapeApe invis tether hunter is great lol
@@ShadowNemesis575 Radiant well doesn't need a nerf the other classes need better support supers. IMHO change bubble so you can shoot from inside of it would be a great change. For hunter no idea they really don't have a support super that I've seen but as I've never played hunter not the best insight lol. Also banner of war for titans is basically a mobile well and is VERY strong. Was doing an altars run today and had two banner titans...Jesus I was tanking shots from 3 nightmare wizards at once without taking significant damage.
Bad juju really needs love. It needs some fancy perk to activate when you get 5x string of curses.
The feel of the weapon is good. It genuinely feels hungry when you use it like Thorn and Osteo Striga, but it doesn't pack the punch of those two.
It feels like a weapon to end all existence.
Theres a secret perk on the gun, where after u get a ceetain number of kills back to back, ur next kills make explosions. The number required as nuts, something like 149
Am i the only one who thinks Toland wore the Crotas End Age of Triumph Warlock Armor in-Canon? It feels very fitting for him!
@@zEvra23or you know... maybe the thumbnail is that way because we have been associating that armor with Tolland since 2014
Why don't we have more lore about Eris and Toland interacting in the time since then? He's certainly very present on the Moon, as is Eris. And Eris learned much of what she knows by applying Toland's research to her own experiences.
So Toland was to the Hive what Osiris was to the Vex?
He wanted the smoke untill he got smoked
The Heart of Crota is still one of the most gruesome grimoire cards I have read.
With all this recent Crota's End lore recap bringing up alot of the class lore, it's got me wanting you to do a deep dive into the classes and their different orders, what their class items represent, the origins of the supers, etc.
Aurnor is nothing more than Ikora’s pet Murderer Fed. I’m sure she’s been foaming at the mouth wanting to kill Eris this season
I’m imagining Ikora holding her back with a leash as she tries to run up and kill Eris.
@@spacemegalodon5049 Alternatively: "If you touch one hair on Eris' head, I'm telling The Guardian that you were in on the plot to kill Cayde. Go ask Crow how that turns out for most people."
I'm still praying one day we get to meet toland the shattered in the game other then his taken orb in the ascendant realm!!
Love after the collapse is a precious thing, I can understand her vow towards crota
Iron Lord Byf, i always wondered what Crota oversoul actually is. Never saw other hive gods using it althought it seems a powerful weapon
10:57 A secret song he hungers to learn:
I'm on the moon
It's made of CHEESE
He's a fan of Wallace and Grommet i see.
@@aceundead4750Man, now I wanna watch some Wallace and Grommet
I love the ending bit saying next time that you’ll cover the first Crota fireteam and how it overlaps with gameplay of crossing into the oversoul throne
He also gives Wisdom on Wednesdays
I thought there was a small lore entry where eris and toland(taken ball) reunit ir converse on what happened
Erianas on the evac ship heading away from the moon: I'm going to kill them all every last one of them
So are we now making the same mistake going after the witness?
I’m more haunted by eris’ fireteam than she is.
" YOURE ALL INSUFFERABLE "
-eris, actively loosing her mind as she is haunted by shadows of her dead friends
Byf, is there any hope of getting footage of your Day 1 run?
I'd love to hear your reactions to the revamped Throne World, as well as the inevitable argument with Barb about swapping off of Thundercrash XD
It really says a lot that despite the fact there were thousands of Guardians who went to moon, they still lost. I wonder if it's party due to the Guardian's wholehearted belief that they're immortal anyways? That no matter the enemy, they can outsurvive them even if the battle lasts for thousands of years?
A mix of overconfidence and just I assume throwing them onto field with no expanded plan.
We had not only killed crotas court but Also had peep from eriana via the chalice and peep from eris id not we would have been toast aswel plus crota was alr weakened due to his knight losing to xuivu
Toland wanted to hear a song that would change his life.
Imagine the irony of a Guardian killing Crota for the 1,345th time-but with Eriana’s Vow. Ironic, for him to die again, but this time by the gun that the fabled warlock had brought to try and kill him. Only for us to, in a way, take revenge for Eriana.
Toland is that one guy who looked at a trailer for the raid and is excited for it. Everyone else is just going in blind.
Love your videos but there is somthing I’d really love a closer look at, the Titan helmet Mask of the Quiet one. It paints a Titan in the light of a warlock, thinking more about how to use death for power, as opposed to the usual Titan response of punch it so hard it never was even there.
Nice...thanks for your hard work!
byf forgot one thing. its not just the deathsong he was after, but the power of the pyramid as well for as mentioned in the shadowkeep expansion, he as known about nezerac's pyramid from the beginning and never once did he told them about that pyramid!
Up to date, Lore vid on Toland the Shattered.
Toland is one of my favorite warlocks. He's creepy and very interesting
I want to slam Toland's face into a rock
They really need to bring him back into the story. Even just for a session.
You would think he would have something to say about Eris' Hive transformation.
@@XDieKillDieXIt’d be great if he came back as an empowered Hive God. Think about it: the remaining worm gods still alive, upon hearing of the Witness’ defeat, and deaths of Xivu and Savathun, could try corrupting Eris. Her having returned from being killed after behind conjured back with vengeance-in the form of us killing Xivu, then slaughtering Savathun, and both hive gods’ broods. Learning that their numbers have depleted by much, and the Hive Gods no longer live to protect them, as well as Eris resisting the corruption of the Deep and the Worms, they then decide to ascend Toland the Shattered. Normally, they would rather first die before bringing back one as weak as Toland, as it is against the Sword Logic to do so: the dead deserve to die, the weak, don’t deserve existence. Yet, the events of Final Shape, and Witch Queen reveal they must, bend their rules, if they hope not to be hunted to extinction by the Guardians and they’re allies. Upon agreeing, they summon the remnant soul of Toland, and offer him a bargain that promises the fallen Warlock power and his physical form, remade, in the shape of the Hive. The Worm Gods, hiding their desperation like bandages hide a wound, hope that a human, scarred by the Hive as Eris Morn was, may be able to match her, and even be able to corrupt her as they couldn’t. Toland, Hive god of greed, would first bring the broods of Xivu Arath, and Savathun into his fold, then flocking to his banner. He then captures the Dreadnuaght, slaughtering those of Xivu’s brood that still occupy the flagship, sparing those that join him. After expanding and building up his Throne World, witch stolen riches, knowledge, and other relics, through conquest and trickery, his Throne World is established. With his only rival being Eris Morn, and many of his brood and enemies exhibiting greed of many forms: lust, grief of not letting go, blinded by hate, hoarding loot and knowledge, Toland, Hive god of Greed, aims to take all he wishes from Sol. Pride, manipulation, and ambition being his greatest boons, and greatest weapons.
Wouldn't be surprised if they were saving a toland season or small DLC for after final shape.
Between him, the corrupted guardians there is enough content there
[Osiris…Osiris…can you hear me? The Veil…it sings. Don’t you remember?]
I wonder what toland would think if he knows we'd weaponized the deathsong to a rocket launcher.
He’d probably believe it to be appropriate, as such a weapon would enact the Sword Logic in helping us slaughter more and more Hive. But, he’d probably be upset that a heretic like Savathun, which forsook the Deep for the Light, manipulated Death Bringer’s creation.
I wonder if Aunor has ever considered our guardian as corrupted and wondered if any action should be taken against us?
Was guardian reeducation ever covered in detail?
Thank you to TH-cam's generated Captions, who just revealed to me the Eris Mourn's name could also be spelled Heiress, as in female heir to a throne. A hive throne? A taken throne?
It's hard to think that eris was a hunter and not a warlock
I quite like the concept, it shows an example of how Destiny classes are moreso a product of tradition than a direct specific tie to the guardian themselves makes character dynamics more interesting than having strict binary characteristics based on their class.
Yeah, same here, it’s weird to me given how she’s literally known as a witch now lol
Babe wake up new byf video just dropped
Does anybody know what machine gun he's using?
How is everyone holding up during the season of the DDoS Attack?
It's so dumb on why they are attacking since the bug had to be fixed
Yeah, it only inconveniences players and the techs who have to fix it
We need Lore about the make believe DDOS empire
Praxic Order: "Slay evil immediately."
3 hunters, 2 warlocks, and 1 titan? No wonder they lost
In d1 there was no well but den again why the hell would they have 3 hunters lol
@@ciguret Hell, the only thing we know about the possible subclass Vell used is that his quote is for a solar bounty in guardian games. So they had legitimately no support based abilities at all. 4 Solar supers(Both Warlocks, One hunter, and the one Titan) and 2 Arc Bladedancers(Eris and the other hunter)
@@absolutionveil8632 wow but erianna was the only 1 who made it to crota but failed
I want Byf to narrate my life
Wait. You are going to make more about this?! Milking this more than a bungie season.
Not every player has played since D1 year 1. Nothing wrong with refresher content. Mans gotta make a living my guy, dont watch it if you arent interested
To be honest, as someone who's been around since the beginning I appreciate the cleaner understanding of the lore.
Bungie has changed, added, retconned so much and alot of the lore surrounding D1 is shaky so while I personally feel these remade lore videos are a bit bloated for me I can definitely see the need for the bloat for newer players.
Imagine trawling through old lore videos after so many revalations over the years
Toland the Shidded one
Hey who’s is stronger r hulk or Oryx
Rhulk
Rhulk absolutely trounces every character we are aware of besides the Witness
Wouldn't be sure of the other Disciples, while they were at their peak and alive at least.@@BennyCocoPop
@@BennyCocoPop Maybe not Nezarec reborn
@@ThyBigCheddar
The reborn Nezarec is said to be considerably weaker since he lost most of his body
damn so can Eros rez Tolland
Hey byf!
Lore time
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