My habits tend to be "Ooh.. I love that album, Imma buy it". Guess I never thought about investments or anything like that but it's more a personal love of music.
Thank you for having me on, Geek! ALWAYS a pleasure. I hope some people who watch this video can make it out to TMR Fest to hang out with us. And feel free to check out my TH-cam too ;)
Collecting Vinyl is moving from being just a Hobby , to being a very expensive Investment . The joy that comes from owning & playing Vinyl is being totally lost because of the expense . Short pressing are a huge problem . You either have the money for the Album now ? Or wait till it hits the Resale Market at 3 to 4 times the Original Price . The rising cost of Records will at some point kill the resurgence in Vinyl Sales i'm afraid .
In my 12 years of collecting , one thing I've learned is that most collectors tend to to overestimate the value of their collection (especially in the discogs era where there all these artificially inflated asking prices). It isn't until they purge by selling in bulk to a store/dealer or, at a show/convention that learn that their records are only worth what people are willing to pay for them. Go to any record show, most dealers know that they are going to have to sell even their most rare/valuable "grail" records at a 15-30% discounted rate, simply so that they move. The internet(discogs) and greedy wannabe mega record stores like Amoeba are literally the only places where this is the exception not rule. Generally speaking, if your looking to make a profit on your investment you are better off playing the stock market or buying precious metals. With vinyl. especially if you have a "habit" most of the time you are losing money. Modern RSD/ discogs era record collecting is basically the 2nd coming of beanie babies. A bubble that will burst when the market decides the 50 bucks is the new going rate for a new release and people realize that it's a consumer con-trap and refuse to pay that much.BUT If they can keep new releases under 25 bucks, this may not happen. As it stands vinyl still only makes up for 1/3rd of all physical music sales which is negligible in the grand scope of things.
I couldn't agree more with your first sentence. Just to go a little further on this, most folks overestimate the condition of their records. I'm just going through and cataloguing all of my records. I'm finding that albums that I've never played and have had sleeved since new, to my memory were mint. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth as the covers have taken a beating from a few moves. Others that I've rarely played have scuffs and hairline scratches, which I had thought were mint. I've also given up purchasing over the internet, because that mint- or excellent+ purchase in fact rarely is.
I think discogs drives the price DOWN on common records and UP on rare records. You could argue this is simply supply and demand at work. I wouldn’t necessarily call it artificial. It is what it is.
You guys are killing me! I wish I could’ve been a part of that conversation. I’ve been a record collector since I was around 14-15 yrs old, and I’m 43 now. The days of finding a record “in the wild” of a pressing you didn’t know existed by an artist that you love are long gone. At first, the Goldmine books were the standard, but very flawed by the knowledge we’ve got today. Then came eBay, which was kinda cool. You could find vinyl buy and sell for cheap at first. Then came along Discogs, which as you know has detailed accounts of every pressing of pretty much every record. This resurgence is both good and bad for obvious reasons, but I am SHOCKED by what people are willing to pay for some of the records I bought for a few dollars back when I was younger. Btw, “flippers” can go get f#@*ed. I could go on and on and on.... Great vid! Thanks!
I am new to your channel. Absolutely love TMR which got my attention to watch. Great video. Love the content and vinyl room. Looking forward to watching your previous episodes and following you.
As a dealer I’ve bought 100’s if not 1000’s of peoples record collections , but I’ve only bought 2 true collections , all the rest were accumulations, most people have accumulations.
Well...just be careful with your culling, it sucks to suddenly miss a record that you used to own. It's a kind of missing that makes you feel really stupid.
I'm not buying vinyl at the moment it's ridiculous! It''s in a bubble, and the artificial scarcity that is pushing prices up with some copies will eventually burst and all these people asking 3 digits for a "artificially rare" pressing will never get that money and the value will plummet and they'll be looking to get anything they can for them. I feel we will get to a point soon when the novelty cool factor of all the new people who have jumped on the vinyl bandwagon will wear off and people will be trying to offload their records and the sales in new stuff will drop off and prices will have to drop if they want to move it because the demand just won't be there. We were told that vinyl was expensive early in this resurgence because there weren't many plants pressing and as more came online and as more people started buying the prices would come down, but the opposite has happened and they've turned music collecting into beanie bears, so I'm sitting out and waiting for the bubble to burst and the fad to wear off. I will buy a record here and there if it's something I really want in my collection, but I'm not buying anywhere near like I used to.
I mean, you're not 100% wrong, however, you're overlooking 2 factors: 1) vinyl collecting, especially vintage vinyl, will be antiquing in the future when vinyl dies again (permanently), so it'll be valuable again in about 60 years when new vinyl hasn't existed for about 50 years. 2) vinyl is immune to EMP and de-gaussing, so it's "permanent" in a way that all digital formats are not. Every disc in a person's collection is a "master" in a way.
This is why I only support local record stores! The record stores I go to sell decent records for a fair price. I got The Wall the other day for 10 bucks in pretty good shape, an original with the sticker and original inner sleeves and it sounds great! No skips only light surface scratches/noise only slightly audible in headphones. I rarely buy online and if I do it’s for records that I really love and cannot find in my local stores. Support your local record shops!
I live in a tiny town of 2500 people.. A local record store opened up a few years ago that has been awesome for me to visit weekly called red bird record store
00:46 that really is a important to consider. The purpose of collecting vinyl to play on vintage equipment was to get the feeling, aesthetics and most importantly the sound quality that was experience when most of my favorite artists made music for fans in the past. the details of each pressing as well as mono records inspired me to buy a turntable and join the vinyl community in my city and online marketplaces. before I started collecting records last year. I have been interested in collecting cds ever since my dad bought a CD player and stereo equipment in 1995. I was 3 years old and it is one of my most vivid early memories.I also liked the cassette player stereo in out garage and the cassette player in our 1991 toyota corrola.
3:45 that is quite pecualir. I guess they didn't really focus on that in the 60s and 70s when they easily could have. low pressings were often due to the artist not being as popular as one hoped for.
Interesting discussion. I think some of us who have been doing this for a while are now backing out - I think we are going to see quite an ebb over the next few years - especially with the Marie Kondo movement starting to really take hold of minimalism.
I have some amazing records Ive picked up in the last month (about 30.) Sitting here waiting for Monday so I can pick up my first turntable, the rt81, and this video is driving me mad! It’s making me want to listen to my vinyl so fucking bad. Awesome work.
Not just vinyl records of course. Advertisers use FOMO to manufacture desire for all kinds of products. That's consumerism for you! I guess ultimately you have to reflect on what a purchase is going to mean to you in, say, 10 years' time.
@10:00 That "dude" in Thousand Oaks is Tom Port. He runs www.better-records.com If you want vinyl that sounds great, you can save yourself time and effort in making multiple purchase of the same album, trying to find the best sounding pressings. Better Records does that job, and does it well. Yes, their records are expensive, because they toss out the vast majority of the albums that they purchase, because the vast majority have poor or nothing special sound quality. They professionally clean each record, and listen to both sides, and grade each side (if it merits a grade). So that service will cost some $$, especially for albums where their cost, to purchase multiple copies of the same album, is high. In other words, that $500 album costs that much, because it was the best of a dozen+ that they purchased, cleaned and played. And they focus on specific stamper codes, to maintain a better than average hit/miss ratio. Their focus is strictly on sound quality. Note that if your turntable and/or stereo is entry level, or if your tone-arm and cartridge are not professionally dialed in, then their pre-mo pressings will not shine on such a system.
I don't know Michael. They've been steadily pressing records in higher quantities each year. This is the second year in a row where there isn't some "big ticket" flippable holy grail record.
Too Many Records Oh, I agree. It's just (some) people in today's society are becoming more and more petulant and selfish. What if that particular element begins to embrace the vinyl hobby in order to just make a quick profit at the expense of true collectors. The 90' s were a prime example with the sports memorabilia market and comic books. I remember the life being squeezed dry from both markets. And also other collectables. Grown men becoming children. It's a sense of blasphemy when interlopers tear away at something people truly cherish.
I have 1200+ vinyl albums in my collection. About 10 years ago,I looked into selling my records,as a whole collection. everyone I talked to,wanted to cherry pick them,and leave me with the rest. When you start collecting anything,make sure it's something you really love....... Because you'll never get out of it,what you put into it. Good luck!!!
How do either of you feel about digitizing vinyl? I know all the technical limitations of vinyl versus digital/cd. But sometimes the master for vinyl is curated in some way for the medium that I can find more pleasant! And when the album is still mint you can bottle that up in a neat PCM wrapper to take with you even as the grooves decay, or a precious collection goes up in flames. Does it defeat the purpose of buying a record? Is it piracy to sell once you digitize it? I dunno. /Endrant
Siamese dream is an LP that I’m currently interested in purchasing but I’m not willing to spend $60-$100 for it. I know it’s a great album but why is it so expensive!
Dre Munoz but the repress comes in two LP’s for some weird reason. When they can actually make it in a single one. But I’m glad I’m not the only one with this issue :)
A guy at one of the record shops I like to go to talked about the whole color vs black vinyl and said that if its a modern pressing there is no carbon added, but only did that for the vintage pressings. Nothing definitive.
Thank You for having this as a topic and discussing this and that. That being said, you guys are doing what wine or cigar aficionados do. Truth is music is there to be experienced and enjoyed. Imho the punk revolution was created to say color of vinyl, album cover, stereo system, company, house or listening place, all unimportant in general scheme of things. Just get on with the music.
I can relate so much...this is why i had preordered David Gilmour in Pompeii and Pink Floyd's P.U.L.S.E. At 99.99 because I was never able to buy David Gilmour live in Gdansk! It's still between 500 and 1349$ right now...
I have a "SHITTON" Of VINYL! ALL SPEEDS , SHAPES, SIZES! From over a Decade of Doing Home Clean-outs! Just Gave up 17 Orig. BEATLES ALBUMS FOR CONSIGNMENT!😲
most of the vinyl I like has been out of print for 30+ years lol. I can find Pearl Jam albums easly, good like finding Jimmy Driftwood Tall Tales in Song in good shape lol.
I generally prefer black records but coloured is fine too. I don’t hear a difference between the two. The mastering and quality control is most important. I do avoid picture discs though. They look nice but I buy my records to listen to and they clearly don’t sound as good.
Great discussion guys and yeah....it really feels kinda like you're being gibed when it comes to being a consumer for vinyl. My personal pet peeve is reissues of records that sold over a million copies and you'd think there would be an after market of said copies at a cheap price....EG Pink Floyd Dark side 44 million sold, repressing at 60 dollars
If you have any could you compare the plain pressings of ween albums to the original. If you don’t listen to Ween i highly recommend you give them a listen.
I follow certain rules now when buying records (1) it must me from a band I like (2) if it's a 90s album then I usually buy the reissue (3) at least half the album must contain great songs (4) I sample all new artists on TH-cam before buying the album (5) I make full use of swapmeets or I buy used records. Lastly I stopped with the RSD hype because it's set up to make you broke.
I used to get excited about RSD but each year i went that excitement soon disappeared when i saw the price of the stuff. It is generally over-priced when compared to the price of similar records released at other times of the year. “But it’s a limited edition!” they’ll tell you. Yeah but so are many other records released at other times of the year and they are generally not as expensive. It’s like there’s a 10-15% premium on RSD stuff just because it’s released on RS Day.
I started collecting around the late 70's where the majority of records were black, same with the 80's but it would be cool if you'd purchase an LP and it was coloured, and even to this day I'll only buy records I really want and like (brand new) but I do enjoy coloured vinyl, and don't mind paying a few extra bucks, because it's different and I do have 40 years of record collecting in my collection which are mostly black anyway. Different Story for crate digging cheap old second hand records, depending on cost I'd purchase a lot of records I wouldn't pay full price for so you end up with a greater diversity of music artists and styles you wouldn't normally purchase, because they're cheap. I do enjoy the art of it all but at the end of the day, it's a listening experience.
Bought my first album probably 1973 just bought my latest album last year from mobile Fidelity best 25 bucks ever spent probably the most I ever spent.
I think one problem is that when you want albums that are "all killer, no filler", you will have a very small collection. If we are completely honest, most albums do not conform to this standard. I find much new music coming out on vinyl is not killer enough to invest my money for vinyl copies. There is too much music, too many pressing, and very few uniforms you will play on repeat. I've been collecting for almost 40 years and it is true still today. I am downsizing my collection and will probably sell about 500 records in the near future.
There is a difference between collecting and hoarding. Collecting takes knowledge, hoarding just takes money. I'd rather have a 1000 records I really love, than 10.000 I own simply because I can't let go of them. At some point it just gets unhealthy. I go through my collection every year and sell the stuff I don't really listen to, or don't love for some other particular reason. Perfecting your collection is where the real fun lies and selling records means more money for new records!
new record's in Canada cost $60 Canadian dollars :( I prefer used records on the cheap . Stopped buying new vinyl Year's ago . When they hit $12.99 , which is 29 dollars today .
I always listen to my records and love them sentimentally otherwise it’s a waste. If your not gonna sell them and your not gonna listen to them then what makes them valuable.
@@TooManyRecords Nah, I'm a cheap collector now (I pay average 0.50$ per LP & 78, rarely more than $2, and I pay $0.25 per 45, sometimes $0.50, rarely $1) and the era of great scores in yard sales is behind us.
There's a certain irony in having this discussion, whilst the latest upload on the TMR channel is "The RSD releases you HAVE to get!!!" Lol. Good discussion though both.
You're buying collectables and they are nothing but baseball cards for people who don't like baseball. It's a big black "digital vinyl". Not a "AAA" (all analog) record. People buying these "vinyls" don't even have a stereo system. People buying these new "vinyls" are basically buying the equivalent of beanie bears. Worth something today and nothing tomorrow.
As a long time collector what you millennials and post millennials don't understand is that the majority of records that cost so much today, the overwhelming majority, won't be worth spit in 10 years and will be condom coasters in 20. Collect the music that you like, enjoy that music and avoid the trap of perceived rarity from bands and performers, most of whom will be irrelevant in the future.
What the guy fails to see at the beginning of the video about pricing and worth. Those limited editions and 1 of 5000 are valuable when its first released but they don't always hold their value and most often become just another album. I saw this with baseball cards, limited edition sets and special sets that are worth more than others because of differences in the cards. Or cards with special extras like pieces of uniform or bats or something like that. These modern albums with loads of extras or colored vinyl look cool and sometimes are cool but will soon lose value when you realize your regular copy of the album is just as good and all that you really need, like the regular cards were cool enough without all the unnecessary extras for added value. If the original albums came with cool stuff like Kiss albums had a lot of extras, booklets, posters, tattoos and other little extras that added value but were organic extras were great, but stuff added after the fact to make it seem like more is a hollow add. In the end in the baseball card market all the modern cards were deemed not that valuable because you had so many companies making so many cards and sets that the overall value dropped with time and the over production of product. You might have one 1 0f 1000 card but there were at least 6 different sets for each guy and made by so many companies that it overwhelmed the collector but also made the sets less valuable by the amount of times trying to make a certain card/year/player special and just made more cards to buy of the same people year after year. The record industry could ruin this second chance of having vinyl records be a valued commodity again, I hope they don't over do it with all kinds of extras and special 'things' added to old products that soon there is no special anymore because everything is a special limited edition piece of overpriced and over hyped useless product....again.
Buying music and not playing it is an incredibly stupid concept records were made to be played and appreciated not left to collect dust on their jackets and only taken out for cleaning on occasion
If you think you know how the market has become inflated price-wise, start looking for original Jazz albums (especially Blue Notes, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, etc. LOL)
online shopping for second hand records with the likes of eBay has gone stupid over priced records you can't even check the condition. they often over grade the record your better off going and finding a decent second hand record store .
Yeah, but like baseball cards, the bottom will fall out at some point. The record you buy for $25 that goes to $60 in a year will be $5 soon enough. Especially the bands that no one really cares that much about.
Good point - however, music is far more universal than, lets say, beanie babies or baseball cards. It appeals to nearly everyone in varying degrees, instead of being a passionate niche.
@@TooManyRecords music like how you and I intertwine with it? Come on -- we're niche beyond nichey. Records are cool with a certain group, but the vast majority of people think we're ridiculous if they think about us at all. "Why would you spend so much money for something I get for free on my phone?"
Love your videos but this one I really do not understand what you are all about. Purge my collection that's never going to happen while I breathe. That be crazy and beyond my scope of being. I acquire music and I do not sell any of it ever.....but that's just me!
If record collecting to you is hobby and it's all about something's worth then sell it all and do something else in life. I have collected records since I was 12 and that was in 1967....do the math and to me it's about the music all kinds of music.
u both need to come to the united kingdom, we have so many record shops all around the uk, or u should do a record fair, if you want to fin out your vinyl
no into having multiple copies of a same album, also not into limited edition pressings since I'd rather resell those, make a profit and listen to the standard boring black. at the end of the day it's not a "collection" for me, never understood when records became a thing you collected. i buy physical music, cds are worthless to me, cassettes ain't that good and aren't accessible, reel to reel forget it, so i like vinyl.
Once he sells half he should rename the channel too just the right amount of records
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My habits tend to be "Ooh.. I love that album, Imma buy it". Guess I never thought about investments or anything like that but it's more a personal love of music.
Same. Don’t really care if it’s a used original or a new reissue.
I am waiting for the day that you'll receive you very first silver play button. Nothing but the best from this channel. :D
"You can't collect everything." I took that to heart, as it goes for collecting anything, not just vinyl records.
Thank you for having me on, Geek! ALWAYS a pleasure. I hope some people who watch this video can make it out to TMR Fest to hang out with us. And feel free to check out my TH-cam too ;)
@DrumWild Terrific! Thanks man. See you there :)
You did not suit up for the show!
@@dennissmirnoff5288 I know. I addressed that at the end too LOL
I agree with no filler. I only buy albums when I know I like at least 75% of the songs
Collecting Vinyl is moving from being just a Hobby , to being a very expensive Investment . The joy that comes from owning & playing Vinyl is being totally lost because of the expense . Short pressing are a huge problem . You either have the money for the Album now ? Or wait till it hits the Resale Market at 3 to 4 times the Original Price . The rising cost of Records will at some point kill the resurgence in Vinyl Sales i'm afraid .
i don't mind if the "vinyl resurgence" comes to a end so then us music lovers can get back to collecting records for cheap or very fair prices.
@@VinylandKicks86 im glad vinyl came back.. Finding new music on analog is awesome (casettes never died off just slowed down)
Both of your channels are essential for vinyl collectors.
This was a really fun video, guys. The collaboration is one thing, but the wandering discussion about vinyl is a rarity and I really enjoyed it.
Thanks homie.
In my 12 years of collecting , one thing I've learned is that most collectors tend to to overestimate the value of their collection (especially in the discogs era where there all these artificially inflated asking prices). It isn't until they purge by selling in bulk to a store/dealer or, at a show/convention that learn that their records are only worth what people are willing to pay for them. Go to any record show, most dealers know that they are going to have to sell even their most rare/valuable "grail" records at a 15-30% discounted rate, simply so that they move. The internet(discogs) and greedy wannabe mega record stores like Amoeba are literally the only places where this is the exception not rule. Generally speaking, if your looking to make a profit on your investment you are better off playing the stock market or buying precious metals. With vinyl. especially if you have a "habit" most of the time you are losing money. Modern RSD/ discogs era record collecting is basically the 2nd coming of beanie babies. A bubble that will burst when the market decides the 50 bucks is the new going rate for a new release and people realize that it's a consumer con-trap and refuse to pay that much.BUT If they can keep new releases under 25 bucks, this may not happen. As it stands vinyl still only makes up for 1/3rd of all physical music sales which is negligible in the grand scope of things.
I couldn't agree more with your first sentence. Just to go a little further on this, most folks overestimate the condition of their records. I'm just going through and cataloguing all of my records. I'm finding that albums that I've never played and have had sleeved since new, to my memory were mint. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth as the covers have taken a beating from a few moves. Others that I've rarely played have scuffs and hairline scratches, which I had thought were mint. I've also given up purchasing over the internet, because that mint- or excellent+ purchase in fact rarely is.
I think discogs drives the price DOWN on common records and UP on rare records. You could argue this is simply supply and demand at work. I wouldn’t necessarily call it artificial. It is what it is.
@@bosshogster6715 That's a good point. But to me it seems that hypebeast hysteria is what part of creates that demand drives theses prices.
Best two vinyl channels teaming up- what could be better
No love for vinyleyez?
You guys are killing me! I wish I could’ve been a part of that conversation. I’ve been a record collector since I was around 14-15 yrs old, and I’m 43 now. The days of finding a record “in the wild” of a pressing you didn’t know existed by an artist that you love are long gone. At first, the Goldmine books were the standard, but very flawed by the knowledge we’ve got today. Then came eBay, which was kinda cool. You could find vinyl buy and sell for cheap at first. Then came along Discogs, which as you know has detailed accounts of every pressing of pretty much every record. This resurgence is both good and bad for obvious reasons, but I am SHOCKED by what people are willing to pay for some of the records I bought for a few dollars back when I was younger. Btw, “flippers” can go get f#@*ed. I could go on and on and on....
Great vid! Thanks!
I am new to your channel. Absolutely love TMR which got my attention to watch. Great video. Love the content and vinyl room. Looking forward to watching your previous episodes and following you.
Worrying about how much your collection will be worth is the way to madness.
Great conversation, I just went over 500 albums and i'm having the same thought process ;)
As a dealer I’ve bought 100’s if not 1000’s of peoples record collections , but I’ve only bought 2 true collections , all the rest were accumulations, most people have accumulations.
You guys talk straight from my heart. Same thoughts as you.
Well...just be careful with your culling, it sucks to suddenly miss a record that you used to own. It's a kind of missing that makes you feel really stupid.
what an excellent discussion! The fomo of collector culture was super well explained
Thank you Noah :)
Ok, I know this is a dumb question but....what does FOMO mean? (lol)
Fear of missing out.
It means "i want four more records" ;)
I'm not buying vinyl at the moment it's ridiculous!
It''s in a bubble, and the artificial scarcity that is pushing prices up with some copies will eventually burst and all these people asking 3 digits for a "artificially rare" pressing will never get that money and the value will plummet and they'll be looking to get anything they can for them.
I feel we will get to a point soon when the novelty cool factor of all the new people who have jumped on the vinyl bandwagon will wear off and people will be trying to offload their records and the sales in new stuff will drop off and prices will have to drop if they want to move it because the demand just won't be there.
We were told that vinyl was expensive early in this resurgence because there weren't many plants pressing and as more came online and as more people started buying the prices would come down, but the opposite has happened and they've turned music collecting into beanie bears, so I'm sitting out and waiting for the bubble to burst and the fad to wear off.
I will buy a record here and there if it's something I really want in my collection, but I'm not buying anywhere near like I used to.
I mean, you're not 100% wrong, however, you're overlooking 2 factors: 1) vinyl collecting, especially vintage vinyl, will be antiquing in the future when vinyl dies again (permanently), so it'll be valuable again in about 60 years when new vinyl hasn't existed for about 50 years. 2) vinyl is immune to EMP and de-gaussing, so it's "permanent" in a way that all digital formats are not. Every disc in a person's collection is a "master" in a way.
@@Theomite casettes are also fairly resistant to that
I've always wound up regretting selling any record from my collection. Think long and hard.
The collecting vs listening discussion is so spot on.
This is why I only support local record stores! The record stores I go to sell decent records for a fair price. I got The Wall the other day for 10 bucks in pretty good shape, an original with the sticker and original inner sleeves and it sounds great! No skips only light surface scratches/noise only slightly audible in headphones. I rarely buy online and if I do it’s for records that I really love and cannot find in my local stores. Support your local record shops!
I live in a tiny town of 2500 people.. A local record store opened up a few years ago that has been awesome for me to visit weekly called red bird record store
00:46 that really is a important to consider. The purpose of collecting vinyl to play on vintage equipment was to get the feeling, aesthetics and most importantly the sound quality that was experience when most of my favorite artists made music for fans in the past. the details of each pressing as well as mono records inspired me to buy a turntable and join the vinyl community in my city and online marketplaces. before I started collecting records last year. I have been interested in collecting cds ever since my dad bought a CD player and stereo equipment in 1995. I was 3 years old and it is one of my most vivid early memories.I also liked the cassette player stereo in out garage and the cassette player in our 1991 toyota corrola.
3:45 that is quite pecualir. I guess they didn't really focus on that in the 60s and 70s when they easily could have. low pressings were often due to the artist not being as popular as one hoped for.
10:45 that's pretty cool, I can see how that fits into my perspective sometimes.
Interesting discussion. I think some of us who have been doing this for a while are now backing out - I think we are going to see quite an ebb over the next few years - especially with the Marie Kondo movement starting to really take hold of minimalism.
Very inspiring! Keep on rocking!
I can't wait for Saucerful of Secrets limited edition vinyl. It's to bad that there's only a limited amount.
If the pressing numbers are the same as the Piper at the Gates of Dawn mono RSD release from last year, it should not be too hard to get the Saucer
I have some amazing records Ive picked up in the last month (about 30.) Sitting here waiting for Monday so I can pick up my first turntable, the rt81, and this video is driving me mad! It’s making me want to listen to my vinyl so fucking bad.
Awesome work.
I bought the original pressing of Fragile by Yes for $8 and when I picked up the record to check it out, right behind it was a re-pressing for $32
I was happy when i found a mint 90125 album for 2 bucks as it had my favorite songs on it
Not just vinyl records of course. Advertisers use FOMO to manufacture desire for all kinds of products. That's consumerism for you! I guess ultimately you have to reflect on what a purchase is going to mean to you in, say, 10 years' time.
@10:00
That "dude" in Thousand Oaks is Tom Port. He runs www.better-records.com
If you want vinyl that sounds great, you can save yourself time and effort in making multiple purchase of the same album, trying to find the best sounding pressings. Better Records does that job, and does it well.
Yes, their records are expensive, because they toss out the vast majority of the albums that they purchase, because the vast majority have poor or nothing special sound quality.
They professionally clean each record, and listen to both sides, and grade each side (if it merits a grade). So that service will cost some $$, especially for albums where their cost, to purchase multiple copies of the same album, is high. In other words, that $500 album costs that much, because it was the best of a dozen+ that they purchased, cleaned and played. And they focus on specific stamper codes, to maintain a better than average hit/miss ratio.
Their focus is strictly on sound quality.
Note that if your turntable and/or stereo is entry level, or if your tone-arm and cartridge are not professionally dialed in, then their pre-mo pressings will not shine on such a system.
Sadly, I am getting a feeling that this will be the first Record Store Day that will be tainted by fist fights. The greed is slowly creeping in.
I don't know Michael. They've been steadily pressing records in higher quantities each year. This is the second year in a row where there isn't some "big ticket" flippable holy grail record.
Too Many Records Oh, I agree. It's just (some) people in today's society are becoming more and more petulant and selfish. What if that particular element begins to embrace the vinyl hobby in order to just make a quick profit at the expense of true collectors. The 90' s were a prime example with the sports memorabilia market and comic books. I remember the life being squeezed dry from both markets. And also other collectables. Grown men becoming children. It's a sense of blasphemy when interlopers tear away at something people truly cherish.
I have 1200+ vinyl albums in my collection. About 10 years ago,I looked into selling my records,as a whole collection. everyone I talked to,wanted to cherry pick them,and leave me with the rest. When you start collecting anything,make sure it's something you really love....... Because you'll never get out of it,what you put into it. Good luck!!!
This was a great video. Thanks guys.
Thanks Chris!
How do either of you feel about digitizing vinyl? I know all the technical limitations of vinyl versus digital/cd. But sometimes the master for vinyl is curated in some way for the medium that I can find more pleasant! And when the album is still mint you can bottle that up in a neat PCM wrapper to take with you even as the grooves decay, or a precious collection goes up in flames. Does it defeat the purpose of buying a record? Is it piracy to sell once you digitize it? I dunno.
/Endrant
Siamese dream is an LP that I’m currently interested in purchasing but I’m not willing to spend $60-$100 for it. I know it’s a great album but why is it so expensive!
I felt the same way with getting the original copy but I found the repress for $33 on Ebay. Normally Siamese Dream reissue is $48....crazy.
Dre Munoz but the repress comes in two LP’s for some weird reason. When they can actually make it in a single one. But I’m glad I’m not the only one with this issue :)
@@pandaroc1 - actually the original press is also a 2 disk LP as well. On top of that there was a limited colored edition that fetches close to $200.
Make a podcast ASAP
I have a podcast (Too Many Records) and Geek was on it once! Closest you'll get for now ;)
A guy at one of the record shops I like to go to talked about the whole color vs black vinyl and said that if its a modern pressing there is no carbon added, but only did that for the vintage pressings. Nothing definitive.
Interesting..
I Really enjoyed that 👍👏👏
Love this conversation. Can we do more of these? 👍
Thank You for having this as a topic and discussing this and that.
That being said, you guys are doing what wine or cigar aficionados do. Truth is music is there to be experienced and enjoyed. Imho the punk revolution was created to say color of vinyl, album cover, stereo system, company, house or listening place, all unimportant in general scheme of things. Just get on with the music.
I can relate so much...this is why i had preordered David Gilmour in Pompeii and Pink Floyd's P.U.L.S.E. At 99.99 because I was never able to buy David Gilmour live in Gdansk! It's still between 500 and 1349$ right now...
That now or never factor is how I feel with every collection of mine.
I have a "SHITTON" Of VINYL! ALL SPEEDS , SHAPES, SIZES! From over a Decade of Doing Home Clean-outs!
Just Gave up 17 Orig. BEATLES ALBUMS FOR CONSIGNMENT!😲
I got that Of Montreal album in Yellow and Red for $25 the other day
I’m over in KTown. I’ll try to make it up there
Please do!!
most of the vinyl I like has been out of print for 30+ years lol. I can find Pearl Jam albums easly, good like finding Jimmy Driftwood Tall Tales in Song in good shape lol.
I generally prefer black records but coloured is fine too. I don’t hear a difference between the two. The mastering and quality control is most important.
I do avoid picture discs though. They look nice but I buy my records to listen to and they clearly don’t sound as good.
Please put them online. I will buy some if the price is right
I have an original The Doors vinyl.
I have only one Doors vinyl myself. It's untitled but it has the number 13 on the cover. It's a bit beat-up but it sounds okay.
VeryUs Mumblings cool
I’ve sold more records in the past 6 to 8 months than I have bought. No way am I getting rid of half.
See Matt, smash that like!!!
My man
Is that one behind you guys a tube amplifier? 😲😁
Yes
Great discussion guys and yeah....it really feels kinda like you're being gibed when it comes to being a consumer for vinyl. My personal pet peeve is reissues of records that sold over a million copies and you'd think there would be an after market of said copies at a cheap price....EG Pink Floyd Dark side 44 million sold, repressing at 60 dollars
If you have any could you compare the plain pressings of ween albums to the original. If you don’t listen to Ween i highly recommend you give them a listen.
I follow certain rules now when buying records (1) it must me from a band I like (2) if it's a 90s album then I usually buy the reissue (3) at least half the album must contain great songs (4) I sample all new artists on TH-cam before buying the album (5) I make full use of swapmeets or I buy used records. Lastly I stopped with the RSD hype because it's set up to make you broke.
I used to get excited about RSD but each year i went that excitement soon disappeared when i saw the price of the stuff. It is generally over-priced when compared to the price of similar records released at other times of the year. “But it’s a limited edition!” they’ll tell you. Yeah but so are many other records released at other times of the year and they are generally not as expensive. It’s like there’s a 10-15% premium on RSD stuff just because it’s released on RS Day.
@@bosshogster6715 - I totally agree...this year I'm not even going to bother with RSD
I started collecting around the late 70's where the majority of records were black, same with the 80's but it would be cool if you'd purchase an LP and it was coloured, and even to this day I'll only buy records I really want and like (brand new) but I do enjoy coloured vinyl, and don't mind paying a few extra bucks, because it's different and I do have 40 years of record collecting in my collection which are mostly black anyway.
Different Story for crate digging cheap old second hand records, depending on cost I'd purchase a lot of records I wouldn't pay full price for so you end up with a greater diversity of music artists and styles you wouldn't normally purchase, because they're cheap.
I do enjoy the art of it all but at the end of the day, it's a listening experience.
If you read this comment, I know it's off topic but do a vynil review of Fleetwood Mac rumours. It's a classic
Bought my first album probably 1973 just bought my latest album last year from mobile Fidelity best 25 bucks ever spent probably the most I ever spent.
If I had blonde I’d definitely listen to it, I just hope one day I get a “steal” on it
Uggh I wish I could go to that TMR thing but I'm literally on the opposite side of the country
Plane ticket ;)
I think one problem is that when you want albums that are "all killer, no filler", you will have a very small collection. If we are completely honest, most albums do not conform to this standard. I find much new music coming out on vinyl is not killer enough to invest my money for vinyl copies. There is too much music, too many pressing, and very few uniforms you will play on repeat. I've been collecting for almost 40 years and it is true still today. I am downsizing my collection and will probably sell about 500 records in the near future.
Forever changes! An og mus must own. It’s all about the history. I hope you had Johnny Echols sign it.
There is a difference between collecting and hoarding. Collecting takes knowledge, hoarding just takes money. I'd rather have a 1000 records I really love, than 10.000 I own simply because I can't let go of them. At some point it just gets unhealthy. I go through my collection every year and sell the stuff I don't really listen to, or don't love for some other particular reason. Perfecting your collection is where the real fun lies and selling records means more money for new records!
new record's in Canada cost
$60 Canadian dollars :( I prefer used records on the cheap . Stopped buying new vinyl Year's ago . When they hit $12.99 , which is 29 dollars today .
I always listen to my records and love them sentimentally otherwise it’s a waste. If your not gonna sell them and your not gonna listen to them then what makes them valuable.
Wish you were selling the records online.
I will be after the event! Join the FB group, it's linked in the description.
Can you please review Queen's A Night At The Opera
I disagree with keeping only albums that have all killer tracks. As long as it has at least one good song, I keep it.
That's a dangerous game man... for your wallet, and for the space in your home.
@@TooManyRecords Nah, I'm a cheap collector now (I pay average 0.50$ per LP & 78, rarely more than $2, and I pay $0.25 per 45, sometimes $0.50, rarely $1) and the era of great scores in yard sales is behind us.
There's a certain irony in having this discussion, whilst the latest upload on the TMR channel is "The RSD releases you HAVE to get!!!" Lol. Good discussion though both.
I love supporting my local record stores, and the list this year is great.
You're buying collectables and they are nothing but baseball cards for people who don't like baseball.
It's a big black "digital vinyl". Not a "AAA" (all analog) record. People buying these "vinyls" don't even have a stereo system.
People buying these new "vinyls" are basically buying the equivalent of beanie bears. Worth something today and nothing tomorrow.
I get FOMO at yard sales and flea markets. At least those are a buck or two a piece.
Prince Vinyl Especially Madhouse. Albums
PLEASE MAKE A SIMON AND GARFUNKEL REVIEW
As a long time collector what you millennials and post millennials don't understand is that the majority of records that cost so much today, the overwhelming majority, won't be worth spit in 10 years and will be condom coasters in 20. Collect the music that you like, enjoy that music and avoid the trap of perceived rarity from bands and performers, most of whom will be irrelevant in the future.
What the guy fails to see at the beginning of the video about pricing and worth. Those limited editions and 1 of 5000 are valuable when its first released but they don't always hold their value and most often become just another album. I saw this with baseball cards, limited edition sets and special sets that are worth more than others because of differences in the cards. Or cards with special extras like pieces of uniform or bats or something like that. These modern albums with loads of extras or colored vinyl look cool and sometimes are cool but will soon lose value when you realize your regular copy of the album is just as good and all that you really need, like the regular cards were cool enough without all the unnecessary extras for added value. If the original albums came with cool stuff like Kiss albums had a lot of extras, booklets, posters, tattoos and other little extras that added value but were organic extras were great, but stuff added after the fact to make it seem like more is a hollow add. In the end in the baseball card market all the modern cards were deemed not that valuable because you had so many companies making so many cards and sets that the overall value dropped with time and the over production of product. You might have one 1 0f 1000 card but there were at least 6 different sets for each guy and made by so many companies that it overwhelmed the collector but also made the sets less valuable by the amount of times trying to make a certain card/year/player special and just made more cards to buy of the same people year after year. The record industry could ruin this second chance of having vinyl records be a valued commodity again, I hope they don't over do it with all kinds of extras and special 'things' added to old products that soon there is no special anymore because everything is a special limited edition piece of overpriced and over hyped useless product....again.
Matt need's to turn you on to the GS4 . sent him while ago .
Buying music and not playing it is an incredibly stupid concept records were made to be played and appreciated not left to collect dust on their jackets and only taken out for cleaning on occasion
I buy only favorites on vinyl. CDs suffice for the rest.
If you think you know how the market has become inflated price-wise, start looking for original Jazz albums (especially Blue Notes, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, etc. LOL)
online shopping for second hand records with the likes of eBay has gone stupid over priced records you can't even check the condition. they often over grade the record your better off going and finding a decent second hand record store .
i listen to my records
Why wouldn't you edit out the sniffling?
2,000 records! Amateur hour round here. Holler at me when you hit 10,000🎸
Yeah, but like baseball cards, the bottom will fall out at some point. The record you buy for $25 that goes to $60 in a year will be $5 soon enough. Especially the bands that no one really cares that much about.
Good point - however, music is far more universal than, lets say, beanie babies or baseball cards. It appeals to nearly everyone in varying degrees, instead of being a passionate niche.
@@TooManyRecords music like how you and I intertwine with it? Come on -- we're niche beyond nichey. Records are cool with a certain group, but the vast majority of people think we're ridiculous if they think about us at all. "Why would you spend so much money for something I get for free on my phone?"
Too bad Im not in Cali, LOL
Love your videos but this one I really do not understand what you are all about. Purge my collection that's never going to happen while I breathe. That be crazy and beyond my scope of being. I acquire music and I do not sell any of it ever.....but that's just me!
If record collecting to you is hobby and it's all about something's worth then sell it all and do something else in life. I have collected records since I was 12 and that was in 1967....do the math and to me it's about the music all kinds of music.
I don't think you're a real music fan if you buy for its collectibility and price. You're a speculator in my book and what is wrong with the industry.
u both need to come to the united kingdom, we have so many record shops all around the uk, or u should do a record fair, if you want to fin out your vinyl
Audiofools.
Cool guy
Did Matt just slag off classical music.
no into having multiple copies of a same album, also not into limited edition pressings since I'd rather resell those, make a profit and listen to the standard boring black.
at the end of the day it's not a "collection" for me, never understood when records became a thing you collected. i buy physical music, cds are worthless to me, cassettes ain't that good and aren't accessible, reel to reel forget it, so i like vinyl.
Dude on the left is so stressful to be around you can tell.
and he has an insanely tacky taste in music and vinyl.
some1dose
Save some hip hop vinyls for me!!!
He did not suit up. Too bad