Christianity: The Ultimate Truth (Logic and history applied to religion)
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- What is the "ultimate truth" of religion? Is atheism true and everything is without meaning? Or perhaps Islam is true and we all need to submit? Or maybe Christianity is the truth that should be guiding our live. Hunter from Everything NT joins me live to discuss.
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Great discussion RA and EverythingNT
I'm two and a half hours in, this guest is absolutely exasperating!!
You guys patience is amazing 😮❤
I’ve heard the natives have a story on creation,the flood,nephlim and the tower of Babylon.
Not only is the objection "Dead people stay dead" ignoring that it's a miracle but that Jesus rises first.
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CC portrayed nicely that if you don't make testable claims then the risk of setting up moving goalposts is quite high. We should all learn from that.
The first historical fiction was the life of Muhammad and the hadith.
@Reasoned answers when logic applies on your theology the trinity crumbles you should know that
Sure, sure. What exactly is the contradiction?
Hello dear reader, I am your amateur counsellor for this stream. However, I have to give you a small anecdote to begin with. I know. I know. I hate anecdotes as well, but it demonstrates circumstances... Allow me to take you back three years ago to a sorry state.... Me three years ago, 'Hello joy. Where was that I put you away? I put you down. I can't recall when. Now I can't seem to find you at all. Islam caught my attention and has cast a dark cloud on the bright sunshine. Maybe, you are hiding at the office? Nah. Perhaps at the dinner party? No, you are not there, too much chatter. What about at the sporting venue (maybe a tad)... O' there you are. You were at the Piano keys all along...'
If Islam is also bringing you down. Try a bit, of Liszt, Hungarian Rhapsody No.6
I second this 💯
CC's claims make zero cents.
As to far away witnesses, I have been told of stories of people seeing the Rise Jesus in Northern Territory, Australia before missionaries arrived to tell them.
Of course, stories aren't always true. That's why I don't believe the stories in the Bible. I need *evidence,* not just stories.
There are actually quite a few stories of Jesus appearing to Muslims (though not necessarily always distant) which either convinces them to convert or leads them to eventually so that's at least countering sceptics who object that God needs to show himself.
I recommend the video "Vision of Jesus Changes Muslim Man’s Life" which is about an ex-Muslim pastor's testimony.
@@adamstewart9052
_"There are actually quite a few stories of Jesus appearing to Muslims"_
Again, stories aren't always true. But that wouldn't be even _slightly_ surprising, as Islam is based on the same basic mythology, and Muslims absolutely _do_ revere Jesus. They just don't think that he's one-third of a god.
It would be far more surprising if anyone in North America, South America, or Australia had ever heard of Jesus before contact with Europeans - _far_ more surprising. And as far as I can tell, that never happened. "God" seems to have ignored the rest of the world, which is exactly what we'd expect if he's just imaginary.
But hey, if you've got good evidence that your god is real, I'd love to hear it. It's just that claims are easy. And the diverse, contradictory claims of theists worldwide can't _all_ be true, because they contradict each other. (They _can_ all be false, though.)
@@Bill_Garthright Did you miss the part of my comment where I said which either convinces them to convert or leads them to eventually? You're either misunderstanding the point or haven't read past what you quoted because this implies they're seeing the Christian view of Jesus and also each person being one-third of God is partialism not trinitarianism in which they're all equally God.
And like I said some were distant from being exposed to this view of Jesus so I think this is something interesting to look into with an example being of the late Sheikh Zäkaryas who I don't think identified a man in visions as Jesus until later with a video that you can watch being "Muslim Sheikh's Vision Brings 10,000 to Christ: The Story of Sheikh Zäkaryas" if you want to know more on this.
@@adamstewart9052
_"Did you miss the part of my comment where I said which either convinces them to convert or leads them to eventually?"_
No, I didn't. Obviously, converts exist in _every_ direction. Do you never watch Muslim videos on TH-cam? They're always bragging about the Christians they've converted to Islam.
Of course, in both directions, they're a tiny minority. Worldwide, faith-based people _overwhelmingly_ tend to believe in whichever religion and whichever god or gods they were taught to believe as a child.
Atheism is not a serious idea - it's just nihilism w/ new marketing. The epistemological rules req'd to make atheism work make it impossible to know anything at all.
A four-hour video on "Christianity: The Ultimate Truth"? _Four hours?_ How about a little sample, first? Just so I can tell this will be worth my time.
How about *one piece of good evidence,* specific enough and in enough detail that I can judge it for myself, that your god is real, rather than just imaginary? Just *one,* please. Why is *one* too much to ask?
Note that I'd also accept *one piece of good evidence* that _any_ of the magical/supernatural stories in the Bible actually happened. Your choice. And I will _give_ you a guy named Jesus who was crucified by the Romans. But be specific, please.
Well? Anything? If *one* piece of good evidence is too much to ask, I'm certainly not going to listen to four hours of wishful-thinking! Sorry, but my time is more valuable than _that._
The Bible itself is the best evidence that the Bible is the truth. If you put in the hard work, read the Bible; research the characters, places, stories, etc you will come to see it's the truth. It's going to take a lot more than 4 hours and, unfortunately, it's not something someone else can do for you.
@@brandyh8186
_"The Bible itself is the best evidence that the Bible is the truth."_
Nope. The Bible is the _claim._ I'm asking for evidence that the claim is actually _true._
And I've put in a lot more of the "hard work" than most Christians. That's why I don't believe this stuff. Most Christians don't even know what's _in_ the Bible, as far as I can tell. They just believe it because that's the religion they were taught to believe as a child.
But hey, I'm willing to listen, if you actually _have_ something distinguishable from wishful-thinking backing up your religious beliefs. But I asked. And so far, I'm getting nothing at all. Again, why is *one* piece of good evidence too much to ask?
Thanks for the reply, but if you don't have *one,* you have nothing at all.
@@brandyh8186
FYI, I did reply to you. But I can't see my reply unless I sort the comments by "Newest first." I don't know why TH-cam is like this, but... it just gets worse and worse, it seems. Anyway, I thought I'd let you know.
@@Bill_Garthright I didn't see your reply until I went to the newest comments. Thank you for telling me about that. I had no idea. I disagree. While the Bible is the claim, if you do your research and find that the places, people, events, etc. in the Bible were real/events really did take place, that is evidence that it's true. If verifying a claim really did happen isn't evidence, then I don't know what is. And if that's not evidence enough what kind of evidence would be?
@@brandyh8186
_"I didn't see your reply until I went to the newest comments. Thank you for telling me about that."_
You're welcome. In fact, a theist told _me_ that. So I'm just passing it on.
_"While the Bible is the claim, if you do your research and find that the places, people, events, etc. in the Bible were real/events really did take place, that is evidence that it's true."_
No, not really. After all, New York City actually exists, but that's not good evidence that Spiderman is real. And "Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter" gets _lots_ of things right about the life and times of the former president. But that's still not good evidence that vampires exist.
You need to be more specific than that. How about *one* example? How about *one* piece of good evidence that _any_ of the magical/supernatural stories in the Bible actually happened? Just *one,* please. Why is *one* too much to ask?
Yes, Jerusalem actually exists, but that's not evidence of magic. London actually exists, too, but that doesn't mean Harry Potter can cast magic spells. I will _give_ you a guy named Jesus who was crucified by the Romans, but the Romans crucified _thousands_ of people. It's a very cruel, but perfectly natural, way to kill someone.
_"If verifying a claim really did happen isn't evidence, then I don't know what is."_
That's what I'm asking for. Do you _have_ anything like that? Because I know of none.
christianity is not truth but falsehood