Question: why are destroyers called destroyers, what are they destroying, when was the classification destroyer first used? And where do the words frigate and corvette come from?
Based on the history of the Royal Navy vs the US Navy, at what stage is the US navy vs the PLA Navy of mainland China? It doesn't line up right but feels like the interwar period.
I really only watch a few TH-cam channels because I've always preferred reading over TV and such so it's a very pleasant surprise to see two of my favourite historical content providers working together for this!
I watch loads (despite there being more and more adverts), not least because I'm off work (retired) with a long term illness. It saves money on books and saves paper too!
The neighbor of my parents was Rudolf Arendt. He was the Commander of subs U-18 and U-23. He told me the story of how three subs met of the Turkish coast in September 1944. They decided to scuttle the subs and get interned in Turkey. He died this year, 98 years old.
Smart men. I always wondered why more ubot crews didn't get themselves interned in 44 and 45, when going on patrol meant nearly certain death, and the cause was clearly lost.
Once when I was in the USN operating in the Indian Ocean on a very clear and calm night the luminescence was right to the horizon and it seemed to blend in with the stars so well that it gave the impression that we were sailing through stars . An unforgettable moment for me .
The Italians also moved five 30 ton 'pocket' submarines to the Black Sea overland by rail through the Balkans. They caused the Soviets trouble including sinking at least two Soviet submarines according to Antonio Bragadin's, Italian Navy in World War II. This would seem to be as much a story of an incredible feat of civil engineering as a submarine story. I'd love to know more about it.
I'm employed as a truck driver in N. Idaho, North America. The idea of transporting U-boats overland to destinations, is fascinating to me. Thank-you. Good health to you and your families. 🙂
A little exposition on the Type 2 uboat: 1. German sailors called it the “dugout canoe” due to its small size. 2. The top uboat ace, Otto Kretschmer, began the war in command of U-23, a Type 2B that was one of the 6 Black Sea uboats.
The names of the Romanian subs that were mentioned were as follows: Delfinul = The Dolphin Rechinul = The Shark Marsuinul = The Porpoise The white waters mentioned on the Danube were in the region where the current dam and waters gates are located called Iron Gates (ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Por%C8%9Bile_de_Fier)
I've been studying WWII history since I was a child and I'm pretty old now. I had never heard of the Black Sea U-Boats. I'm always happy when I learn something I did not know about.
Drachnifel: "makes me feel a little less guilty for wandering off on tangents, occasionally" Possibly the one of the biggest understatements of the year P.S don't change, we like tangential information
Thank you Drach and Bernhardt, as a long-time viewer of both/all of your channels. I had a dim idea that there was some naval combat in the Black Sea, however I had no clue about the U-Boats. Illuminating as always. Cheers
The Black Sea is fascinating as there are amazing ancient settlements and shipwrecks hiding in the depths. It would also seem that it left an impression on people when that massive area flooded!
It's not just the Black Sea that has ancient settlements hiding in its depths. When Bob Ballard was doing a project for National Geographic on the sunken British and French warships off of Anzac Cove (Gallipoli) they accidently discovered a number of circular stone structures up to about 30 meters in diameter iirc. They varied in size. All of them featured an entrance at one point and a central taller stone structure in the center. I wonder if these may actually of been some type of communal dwelling. The central pillar would provide support for roof beams which would also sit on the outer wall on the other end. Then roof the structure with thatch. The area was last above water at least 8k years ago. Plus I would think they were abandoned long before they were submerged unless they went underwater during the melt water pulses a the end of the last Glacial Advance*. *I won't say at the end of the last Ice Age because we are technically still inan Ice Age and have been for millions of years. We just see periodic warm periods in between glacial advances. As to the causes of the glacial advances there are the Melenkovick Cycles but another contributing factor is probably the rise of the Panama Isthmus and the blocking of circulation between the Atlantic and Pacific of warm surface water.
I'd love more videos in general on the black sea campaign and navies in that region. theres plenty said about the atlantic, pacific and mediterranean but not much about the black sea
@@tinafoster8665the Black Sea is not any part in Asia, except arguably in Anatolia, but even then there’s places like Trebizond that are Greek/Georgian/Armenian from before the Turkish conquest of Anatolia.
Fascinating, Drach! All I knew of this was U-boat graves in the Black Sea. I had no idea how they got them into the Black Sea until this video.! Bravo!
Absolutely fascinating conversation between two of my favorite YT historians! I had no idea this was even a thing and it was riveting to learn about it. Thanks so much the both of you!
Wilhelmshaven Germany. The tidal change is so great they constructed a double lock system to keep the inner harbor from turning into a mud flat during low tide
A fascinating tale of engineering silliness. Putting U-boats on an autobahn is right up there eith dragging motor launches through the jungle to fight a naval battle on Lake Tanganyika. You KNOW that there must have been a wager involved at some point in both cases. Actuallt, a Rum Ration on Spicer-Simpson's adventures would be good for a laugh.
The Romanian Navy built two medium-sized subs during the war (770 tons with 5 tubes), and had a total of 4 with two of them mini Italian models. They also had 4 DD's and several motor torpedo boats... some home-built, some Italian built, and even having three from the UK that were sold to them in 1940, strangely enough. The Romanian Navy had a pretty good record and sank many Soviet vessels, including 7 or 8 subs (mostly from mines, their barrages were very effective). The Italians sent MAS torpedo boats and mini subs to the Black Sea as well, and one MAS damaged the Soviet cruiser Molotov with a torpedo. In 1943 the Italian units were transferred to German operation. Most of the Axis losses in the Black Sea were from Soviet air attacks; which were heavy as the Russians usually kept about 500 or more aircraft in the theater.
You might be right but 2 different sites claim they went to the Germans 20 May 1943 in an official ceremony (wont let me post them apparently). "Regiamarina" black sea, and "Commando supremo" black sea.
Regarding the Romanian submarines: 1. They were never referred to as U-boats (and Romanian navy command was never subordinated to the Kriegsmarine). 2. The names translate as: Delfinul = Dolphin, Rechinul = Shark, Marsuinul = Porpoise 3. Delfinul torpedoed and sunk a large Soviet cargo ship on the 5th of November 1941 (near cape Ai-Todor, firing at 800 meters from the target). In the mission report, her captain (commander Costăchescu, a very experienced officer) estimated target displacement at around 12.000 tons, but post-war Soviet reports mention only a 2.000 tons ship. The matter is still debated, as Soviet post-war reports were notoriously unreliable and it's rather unlikely that a veteran commander would make such a large error at that distance. To give some perspective, following that sinking Delfinul evaded 23 successive attacks from Soviet ASW escorts (circa 80 depth charges in total) without receiving any damage.
This Black sea Kriegsmarine uboat operations is new to me. Also interesting news how it affected Soviet fleet. Thanks for that effort making such rare survey.
Thanks to Drachinifel and his guest it was a very interesting video (no others in this channel). An interesting point about small submarines is that they are less prone to damage by depth charges than large ones. I think Drach just found his Christmas present : one day of uboating in Wales rivers 😂 À last point, the luminescence give away the position of the uboat. So a really annoying phenomena.
Just got done watching his video on killing tanks and now this, nice. And please take as many sponsorships as you want. 60 seconds of our time is worth you making a living and delivering better content!
We need more games like that. I picked up atlantic fleet a few years back but missed out on navyfield. As popular as world of warships and ultimate admirals are Im hoping a navyfield like game hits in the future
I was stationed at Field Station Sinop, Turkey, in the late 1980's and while there I visited the station's power plant. It consisted of five German U-boat engines discovered in an Istanbul warehouse during the early 1950"s. Apparently the Germans sold these to Turkey during WW2. When the station was built there were no power lines anywhere in the region so the builders had to construct their own power station. It was wild to hear (very loud requiring hearing protection) and see. I felt like I was in a "Das Boot" movie set. Four of the engines would run powering the station while the fifth would be down for maintenance. The Turks were very good at machining replacement parts that kept these engines running for decades. A piston taken from one of the engines was in the Commander's Office. It was very large. This video brought back many memories from the Port of Sinop and the Black Sea area. Soviet trawlers would occasionally visit and always seen to have a lot of extra antennas on them. Good video and interesting history.
I wasn't finished, I wanted to say that the bioluminescence happens in Avalon New Jersey USA. I run a 42' ft Bertram and in the mornings before the sun comes up or at night you can see it. I is not every time but a lot of times. It's like a finger pointing at your boat. Keep up the good work!!!!
I guess the picture at 15:34 shows the point in Übigau (Dresden) where the submarines were transferred? I think I might be able to provide an explanation for the reason this was the only point where they could do the transfer. It looks like this is the slipway of the shipyard for the Elbe Steamships (operating from Dresden). They are quite unique, because they are the only fleet of river paddle steamships left in Europe. I might be wrong, but perhaps the location of the slipway was the only one suitable for extracting the submarines from the river. Edit: I looked it up, Übigau was indeed the location of the Kette-Shipyard, one of the biggest inland shipyards in Europe.) (The steam ships in Dresden are totally worth a visit btw. :) most of them were build in the late 19th century, but some of their steam engines date back to the middle of the 19th century. One is even still powered by coal.)
I think you are right, a cursory search also mentioned that Übigau later produced hull section 7 (Torpedo storage) for the Type XXI Submarines. They where then loaded on pontoons and shipped to Bremen, Hamburg or Danzig, basically taking the reverse route of the Type II Subs a year earlier.
@@kilianortmann9979 Yes, I read that as well. The picture shown in the video (the slipway) looked familiar to me. They use what's left of the shipyard to repair the steamships, even today.
More videos on logistics would be very intriguing. Yes the big guns are fun, but how they were fed through the centuries I believe can be just as interesting
Enjoyed the video, seems like you two get along well, able to make each other chuckle :) I believe you have done some other videos together which I also enjoyed.
Hello, as you can see by my time stamp this is not the 1st time I have listened into this video. I actually like his channel as well . I very much enjoy your Collab's, Thank you
The "hit" rate is important but the effect of a weapon must also be considered , a couple of submarines prancing around would result in a massive deployment of counter measure this is the important asymmetric measure , what is the cost for the opponent
Thank You both. Very interesting. Amazing effort getting the submarines to the Black sea to start with. Moving the Stones of Stone Henge or the building of the Pyramides comes to mind.
I think type II is well suited to the Black Sea which is land locked. Type II has very limited torpedo tubes but then vessels operating in the Black Sea were not very large. Btw there are type IX operating in SE Asia water. I read they are based in Penang (Malaysia) and Batavia (now Jakarta, Indonesia). There is cemetery for Kriegsmarine sailor in Jakarta, which local people called German cemetery. They use Iron Cross shape headstone. Some of this type IX was used to transport rare material, I imagine it must be nickel, alumina, copper ingot, and/or natural rubber.
Hey Drach, if I may ask, would you consider doing a special on the use and evolution of german Schnellboot (E-Boats), or maybe one about fast torpedo boats/attack crafts in general, comparing them and how they were used?
@@notshapedforsportivetricks2912 The later additions were old C-class boats which made the transit by canal. The whole sory of Horton's private lake would be worth a Wednesday special (or two)
Well this explains some cannons I found that looked suspiciously like 88s outside a small museum between Mangalia and Vama Veche (ro for Old Customs). Sadly I couldn't see any plates and I visited it on a Monday - the museum was closed so there was nobody to ask about the story. Also, Galati is pronounced "Galatzi"
And when you thought the Germans had already came up with more than enough crazy things during that time... Overland, cross-continent, U-Boote transport! Edit: The silly joke I made above falls extremely short of what a comment about this video should be. Guys, you outdid yourselves. Amazing job, thank you!
I would think that such a long ad at the beginning of the video discourages some new viewers from continuing. Wouldn't it be better to place it a couple of minutes into the presentation when people have gotten interested in the subject? I do appreciate that the subject for sale is relevant to the channel. They're not selling soap.
There are certain requirements to placement of sponsorships, my preference within that is to get it all done at the start, so as not to interrupt the overall flow of the main content. :)
@@Drachinifel So be it. The marketeers know what they are doing (they really do!) I once worked with some statistics for them and they are really picky and ask questions about strange correlations. I'm just a victim so I have no idea. I don't understand why this way is the best way. Stopping the flow to me seems like the best way to get attention. As during sxx, now I really REALLY want it!
The bio luminescence at night from the red tide makes it very easy for me to spot the wake of a boat above and below the water because the propeller agitates the water and makes it glow brighter
Great and - as ever - very informative video, thanx for that! The transfer of not only submarines but also R-Boats and S-Boats by Kulemeyer (?) - Road-Transport Systems and by river is a extremely interesting sidestroke of WW2. In my humble opinion, this clearly shows the overreach of German possibilities even though engineering ingenuity
The Germans needed Napolonis underwater Tanks from the movie The great dictator. But of course, Tomanias flying Dreadnoughts may well have been more useful in the long run.
You shortly talked about the possibility of sending a Finnish sub to the Black Sea but didn't remember the name. You probably meant Saukko (99tn, crew of 15), which was the smallest of the five Finnish subs. The next smallest was Vesikko* (de facto prototype of the German type IIA) at about 250tn which would have been at the limit (she survives and you can visit her at Viapori and get in her in the summer months when she's open). The other three were about 500 tns. *I hope we get a 5-min guide about the Vesikko sometime, as a surviving boat of some importance for submarine history.
Pinned post for Q&A :)
How effective was the Romanian Navy during WW2?
Did BB-62 really sink an island? What damage was actually done.
Which Axis vessel (either sunk or scrapped) would make for a decent museum ship due to historical significance?
Question: why are destroyers called destroyers, what are they destroying, when was the classification destroyer first used? And where do the words frigate and corvette come from?
Based on the history of the Royal Navy vs the US Navy, at what stage is the US navy vs the PLA Navy of mainland China? It doesn't line up right but feels like the interwar period.
Hello, was a pleasure to join!
When you turn a U-Boat on it's side to transport it overland,
does it become a C-Boat?
Asking for a friend.
Yes, but only if you turn it clockwise.
Surely that makes it a U-Truck.
@@Dave5843-d9m
That name only applied to the Type XIV boats.
The 'milch cow' boats.
AKA: U-Haul.
@@Dave5843-d9m and it honks with a U-Howl
Nah not a C boat, a land boat since it's not in the C at all ;)
I really only watch a few TH-cam channels because I've always preferred reading over TV and such so it's a very pleasant surprise to see two of my favourite historical content providers working together for this!
I watch loads (despite there being more and more adverts), not least because I'm off work (retired) with a long term illness. It saves money on books and saves paper too!
@Kirk Wolfe that's not how me too works, your comment is pretty tasteless
Me too, 2 channels I've watched many times, they have done some top-notch content over the years
Throw in Lindybeige and Forgotten Weapons, and you have my most viewed channels
@@sfs2040 I agree that that is not what # me too means, but thats a bit harsh to someone who may not be a native english spear
The neighbor of my parents was Rudolf Arendt. He was the Commander of subs U-18 and U-23. He told me the story of how three subs met of the Turkish coast in September 1944. They decided to scuttle the subs and get interned in Turkey. He died this year, 98 years old.
Wow!
Wasn't aware any U-Boat commanders were still alive after Reinhardt Hardegen died in 2017.
Smart men. I always wondered why more ubot crews didn't get themselves interned in 44 and 45, when going on patrol meant nearly certain death, and the cause was clearly lost.
@@krzysztofkolodziejczyk4335because the Germans weren't cucks back then
Imagine if the title is literal. _The chances of getting torpedoed by a U-Boat on land are low but never zero._
Obscure History Fact:
The USN did attempt a land-submarine campaign.
They couldn't get the torpedo's to work.
BuOrd blamed the earth.
Well there is a US submarine that got a kill on a train...
"Attacked freighter. Sank Truck" Log entry of USS Sea Tiget. Cary Grant commanding.
XD
Maybe in an alternate reality New York got nuked by a German nuclear torpedo
Once when I was in the USN operating in the Indian Ocean on a very clear and calm night the luminescence was right to the horizon and it seemed to blend in with the stars so well that it gave the impression that we were sailing through stars . An unforgettable moment for me .
The Italians also moved five 30 ton 'pocket' submarines to the Black Sea overland by rail through the Balkans. They caused the Soviets trouble including sinking at least two Soviet submarines according to Antonio Bragadin's, Italian Navy in World War II. This would seem to be as much a story of an
incredible feat of civil engineering as a submarine story. I'd love to know more about it.
I'm employed as a truck driver in N. Idaho, North America.
The idea of transporting U-boats overland to destinations, is fascinating to me.
Thank-you.
Good health to you and your families. 🙂
Long story short Swift got the contract and they found every low bridge between Germany and Romania. They should've learned to read a map.
@@jeffreyskoritowski4114 that's funny! 🤣
A little exposition on the Type 2 uboat:
1. German sailors called it the “dugout canoe” due to its small size.
2. The top uboat ace, Otto Kretschmer, began the war in command of U-23, a Type 2B that was one of the 6 Black Sea uboats.
The names of the Romanian subs that were mentioned were as follows:
Delfinul = The Dolphin
Rechinul = The Shark
Marsuinul = The Porpoise
The white waters mentioned on the Danube were in the region where the current dam and waters gates are located called Iron Gates (ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Por%C8%9Bile_de_Fier)
Thanks partner. Details like that are useful and I appreciate you mentioning them and providing links.
And the Drachiniful.
I've been studying WWII history since I was a child and I'm pretty old now. I had never heard of the Black Sea U-Boats. I'm always happy when I learn something I did not know about.
Drachnifel: "makes me feel a little less guilty for wandering off on tangents, occasionally"
Possibly the one of the biggest understatements of the year
P.S don't change, we like tangential information
Drach is a complete novice compared to Lindybeige.
I enjoy the cllabs in the YT military history so much! SO many great narrators and historians around and working together.
Thank you Drach and Bernhardt, as a long-time viewer of both/all of your channels. I had a dim idea that there was some naval combat in the Black Sea, however I had no clue about the U-Boats. Illuminating as always. Cheers
Another great collaboration, thanks to the both of you. I have never read anything about U-Boats in the black Sea.
Collaborating. You can get shot for that.
The Black Sea is fascinating as there are amazing ancient settlements and shipwrecks hiding in the depths. It would also seem that it left an impression on people when that massive area flooded!
They wrote stories about it for a few millennia.
It's not just the Black Sea that has ancient settlements hiding in its depths. When Bob Ballard was doing a project for National Geographic on the sunken British and French warships off of Anzac Cove (Gallipoli) they accidently discovered a number of circular stone structures up to about 30 meters in diameter iirc. They varied in size. All of them featured an entrance at one point and a central taller stone structure in the center. I wonder if these may actually of been some type of communal dwelling. The central pillar would provide support for roof beams which would also sit on the outer wall on the other end. Then roof the structure with thatch. The area was last above water at least 8k years ago. Plus I would think they were abandoned long before they were submerged unless they went underwater during the melt water pulses a the end of the last Glacial Advance*.
*I won't say at the end of the last Ice Age because we are technically still inan Ice Age and have been for millions of years. We just see periodic warm periods in between glacial advances. As to the causes of the glacial advances there are the Melenkovick Cycles but another contributing factor is probably the rise of the Panama Isthmus and the blocking of circulation between the Atlantic and Pacific of warm surface water.
that's the case all over the world though. heard of mudflood?
I'd love more videos in general on the black sea campaign and navies in that region. theres plenty said about the atlantic, pacific and mediterranean but not much about the black sea
Same with the Baltic too.
@@alexrennison8070 But the Baltic has more different countries, the med too but the Black, it's so far inside Asia
@@tinafoster8665the Black Sea is not any part in Asia, except arguably in Anatolia, but even then there’s places like Trebizond that are Greek/Georgian/Armenian from before the Turkish conquest of Anatolia.
Fascinating, Drach! All I knew of this was U-boat graves in the Black Sea. I had no idea how they got them into the Black Sea until this video.! Bravo!
Absolutely fascinating conversation between two of my favorite YT historians! I had no idea this was even a thing and it was riveting to learn about it. Thanks so much the both of you!
You Mentioned my home town, Galati! That did put a little smile on my face! Amazing vid and love both your channels!
Hello :)
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized hello from the shores of the Danube!
@@filip1408 greetings from Linz! So you are just down the river ;)
Great discussion chaps!
Wilhelmshaven Germany. The tidal change is so great they constructed a double lock system to keep the inner harbor from turning into a mud flat during low tide
Excellent collaboration with Bernhard! I appreciate information on these lesser known facets of WWII, thank you.
A fascinating tale of engineering silliness. Putting U-boats on an autobahn is right up there eith dragging motor launches through the jungle to fight a naval battle on Lake Tanganyika. You KNOW that there must have been a wager involved at some point in both cases.
Actuallt, a Rum Ration on Spicer-Simpson's adventures would be good for a laugh.
The Romanian Navy built two medium-sized subs during the war (770 tons with 5 tubes), and had a total of 4 with two of them mini Italian models. They also had 4 DD's and several motor torpedo boats... some home-built, some Italian built, and even having three from the UK that were sold to them in 1940, strangely enough. The Romanian Navy had a pretty good record and sank many Soviet vessels, including 7 or 8 subs (mostly from mines, their barrages were very effective). The Italians sent MAS torpedo boats and mini subs to the Black Sea as well, and one MAS damaged the Soviet cruiser Molotov with a torpedo. In 1943 the Italian units were transferred to German operation. Most of the Axis losses in the Black Sea were from Soviet air attacks; which were heavy as the Russians usually kept about 500 or more aircraft in the theater.
You might be right but 2 different sites claim they went to the Germans 20 May 1943 in an official ceremony (wont let me post them apparently). "Regiamarina" black sea, and "Commando supremo" black sea.
I'm shocked that Linz did not have a thriving shipbuilding industry. It's only a couple of hundred miles from the nearest sea.
🤣😂
Regarding the Romanian submarines:
1. They were never referred to as U-boats (and Romanian navy command was never subordinated to the Kriegsmarine).
2. The names translate as: Delfinul = Dolphin, Rechinul = Shark, Marsuinul = Porpoise
3. Delfinul torpedoed and sunk a large Soviet cargo ship on the 5th of November 1941 (near cape Ai-Todor, firing at 800 meters from the target). In the mission report, her captain (commander Costăchescu, a very experienced officer) estimated target displacement at around 12.000 tons, but post-war Soviet reports mention only a 2.000 tons ship. The matter is still debated, as Soviet post-war reports were notoriously unreliable and it's rather unlikely that a veteran commander would make such a large error at that distance. To give some perspective, following that sinking Delfinul evaded 23 successive attacks from Soviet ASW escorts (circa 80 depth charges in total) without receiving any damage.
Waaaaaaaaaait, you and Historigraph posting submarine content within 24 hours of each other? Pure bliss
This Black sea Kriegsmarine uboat operations is new to me. Also interesting news how it affected Soviet fleet. Thanks for that effort making such rare survey.
I like this format.
Really like both channels.
Thanks to Drachinifel and his guest it was a very interesting video (no others in this channel). An interesting point about small submarines is that they are less prone to damage by depth charges than large ones.
I think Drach just found his Christmas present : one day of uboating in Wales rivers 😂
À last point, the luminescence give away the position of the uboat. So a really annoying phenomena.
Two of my favourite TH-camrs together. Thanks guys.
The random tangents are half the reason I subbed to Drach in the first place!
Welcome to the channel, Bernhart! I love your work and Drach's - This is a match made in heaven!
Just got done watching his video on killing tanks and now this, nice.
And please take as many sponsorships as you want. 60 seconds of our time is worth you making a living and delivering better content!
Thanks Drach! You're the best!
I remember how proud I was to finally sail a Type II U-Boat in the original NavyField after finally reaching level 37. Good times...
We need more games like that. I picked up atlantic fleet a few years back but missed out on navyfield. As popular as world of warships and ultimate admirals are Im hoping a navyfield like game hits in the future
@@Colonel_Overkill
So do I. The game was amazing fun to a naval buff, especially due to its ability to kit out ships yourself.
Good ol Times indeed, the Sailor Gambling Blitzkrieg Sink the Beast, i was there Gandalf, I was there 3000 years ago
5 min in I gave a like, subscribed to both channels. Thanks guys!
Considering the size, limitations in armament & time they were operational, 7,500 tons is actually pretty impressive.
Are we there yet ?
After all that you finally get to the Black Sea, only to find you've left one propeller at home.
I was stationed at Field Station Sinop, Turkey, in the late 1980's and while there I visited the station's power plant. It consisted of five German U-boat engines discovered in an Istanbul warehouse during the early 1950"s. Apparently the Germans sold these to Turkey during WW2. When the station was built there were no power lines anywhere in the region so the builders had to construct their own power station. It was wild to hear (very loud requiring hearing protection) and see. I felt like I was in a "Das Boot" movie set. Four of the engines would run powering the station while the fifth would be down for maintenance. The Turks were very good at machining replacement parts that kept these engines running for decades. A piston taken from one of the engines was in the Commander's Office. It was very large. This video brought back many memories from the Port of Sinop and the Black Sea area. Soviet trawlers would occasionally visit and always seen to have a lot of extra antennas on them. Good video and interesting history.
Shoutout to a fellow Austrian, and thanks to both of you for uploading this excellent collab!
I love these collaboration videos.
I wasn't finished, I wanted to say that the bioluminescence happens in Avalon New Jersey USA. I run a 42' ft Bertram and in the mornings before the sun comes up or at night you can see it. I is not every time but a lot of times. It's like a finger pointing at your boat.
Keep up the good work!!!!
“Avengers endgame is the most ambitious crossover!”
Drach and MHV, twice: “are you sure about that?”
:)
Great work Sir thank you
I guess the picture at 15:34 shows the point in Übigau (Dresden) where the submarines were transferred? I think I might be able to provide an explanation for the reason this was the only point where they could do the transfer. It looks like this is the slipway of the shipyard for the Elbe Steamships (operating from Dresden). They are quite unique, because they are the only fleet of river paddle steamships left in Europe. I might be wrong, but perhaps the location of the slipway was the only one suitable for extracting the submarines from the river.
Edit: I looked it up, Übigau was indeed the location of the Kette-Shipyard, one of the biggest inland shipyards in Europe.)
(The steam ships in Dresden are totally worth a visit btw. :) most of them were build in the late 19th century, but some of their steam engines date back to the middle of the 19th century. One is even still powered by coal.)
I think you are right, a cursory search also mentioned that Übigau later produced hull section 7 (Torpedo storage) for the Type XXI Submarines.
They where then loaded on pontoons and shipped to Bremen, Hamburg or Danzig, basically taking the reverse route of the Type II Subs a year earlier.
@@kilianortmann9979 Yes, I read that as well. The picture shown in the video (the slipway) looked familiar to me. They use what's left of the shipyard to repair the steamships, even today.
Thank you Drachinifel.
Very interesting. I had no idea of such operations, outside the main theater's or war. Welcome to see more of such history....
Fantastic Guest and a great topic. I’ve read that mines were a severe problem for Black Seas operations.
More videos on logistics would be very intriguing. Yes the big guns are fun, but how they were fed through the centuries I believe can be just as interesting
omg - even the paid promotion is fascinating - ty for awesome content
a guest spot by Bernard! sweet.
Excellent episode & great collaboration. Macht's weiter!
Interesting Talk. Nice to see/hear you guys working together :)
Enjoyed the video, seems like you two get along well, able to make each other chuckle :) I believe you have done some other videos together which I also enjoyed.
Hello, as you can see by my time stamp this is not the 1st time I have listened into this video. I actually like his channel as well . I very much enjoy your Collab's, Thank you
Love seeing sponsors on the channel. Unlike most channels you have 1000x earned it!
The Channel is now Drach's day job.
My number one watched channel, your guests are always insightful and great to see every now and then especially MHV. Great content as always 👍
Nice to see you two work together. Actually that is how I found your channel years ago when I saw the Africakorps Video.
I watch both these guys, this should be good.
The "hit" rate is important but the effect of a weapon must also be considered ,
a couple of submarines prancing around would result in a massive deployment of counter measure
this is the important asymmetric measure , what is the cost for the opponent
Excellent.
Not now babe, new Drachinifel just dropped
Me an Asian: only vaguely knows where the Black Sea is
Me after looking up a map of Europe: wait _what how did you get there U-Boats_
Build them in Budapest, then travel down on the Danube. :)
@@karlvongazenberg8398 The US built subs in place like Manitowoc and sent them down the Mississippi River to do their work-ups in the Gulf of Mexico.
@@sundiver137 I was just half joking when mentioned Budapest. In WWI a few submarines WERE built there. Namely SM U27,28,40 and the U48 (unfinished)
@@sundiver137 I believe they used pontoons to reduce their drafts going through the "sanitary canal" and Illinois + Mississippi Rivers.
The collab we all needed
Thank You both.
Very interesting.
Amazing effort getting the submarines to the Black sea to start with.
Moving the Stones of Stone Henge or the building of the Pyramides comes to mind.
Interestingly, two of the Type IIB were bought by China but the war prevented the subs from being transported.
I think type II is well suited to the Black Sea which is land locked. Type II has very limited torpedo tubes but then vessels operating in the Black Sea were not very large. Btw there are type IX operating in SE Asia water. I read they are based in Penang (Malaysia) and Batavia (now Jakarta, Indonesia). There is cemetery for Kriegsmarine sailor in Jakarta, which local people called German cemetery. They use Iron Cross shape headstone. Some of this type IX was used to transport rare material, I imagine it must be nickel, alumina, copper ingot, and/or natural rubber.
Hey Drach, if I may ask, would you consider doing a special on the use and evolution of german Schnellboot (E-Boats), or maybe one about fast torpedo boats/attack crafts in general, comparing them and how they were used?
Brilliant programme, really enjoyed it nice to have it explained by two guys who go the extra research yard 👍
Romania and Bulgaria also had a number of pocket subs. It will be nice to do a small history on them too.
Very interesting, thank you both!
The u boats that were scuttled in 1944 were found in 2019 and one of there crew was still alive.
Thank you, Drachinifel.
Really, really interesting. Thank you both so much.
Another excellent video - thanks to you both!
It would be interesting to contrast this with the transport of RN submarines to the Baltic (overland through Russia).
I always thought that Horton's boats ran tha gauntlet through the Skagerrak. The E-class boats were pretty big.
@@notshapedforsportivetricks2912 The later additions were old C-class boats which made the transit by canal. The whole sory of Horton's private lake would be worth a Wednesday special (or two)
@@iansadler4309 Ahah! Thanks for that info. I didn't know that there were any C-class in the Baltic.
Again! Outstanding!
Thank you, very much!
16:55 The name of the Finnish mini-sub is 'Saukko' ( Otter ).
Well this explains some cannons I found that looked suspiciously like 88s outside a small museum between Mangalia and Vama Veche (ro for Old Customs).
Sadly I couldn't see any plates and I visited it on a Monday - the museum was closed so there was nobody to ask about the story.
Also, Galati is pronounced "Galatzi"
And when you thought the Germans had already came up with more than enough crazy things during that time... Overland, cross-continent, U-Boote transport!
Edit: The silly joke I made above falls extremely short of what a comment about this video should be. Guys, you outdid yourselves. Amazing job, thank you!
Excellent ! Thanks to you both.
Once again a history lesson worth the time .
I would think that such a long ad at the beginning of the video discourages some new viewers from continuing. Wouldn't it be better to place it a couple of minutes into the presentation when people have gotten interested in the subject? I do appreciate that the subject for sale is relevant to the channel. They're not selling soap.
If you're not skipping the first part of video's you're not using TH-cam correctly.
Okay Karen
There are certain requirements to placement of sponsorships, my preference within that is to get it all done at the start, so as not to interrupt the overall flow of the main content. :)
@@Drachinifel Quite a fair point and it is interesting sponsor, not some weird kitchen equipment ( sorry I meant galley 😇)
@@Drachinifel So be it. The marketeers know what they are doing (they really do!) I once worked with some statistics for them and they are really picky and ask questions about strange correlations. I'm just a victim so I have no idea. I don't understand why this way is the best way.
Stopping the flow to me seems like the best way to get attention. As during sxx, now I really REALLY want it!
The bio luminescence at night from the red tide makes it very easy for me to spot the wake of a boat above and below the water because the propeller agitates the water and makes it glow brighter
In the 1980's the US Navy was investigating ocean bioluminescence as a means of detecting subs.
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@@robg9236 Silly idea due to the sheer number of organisms required! Can understand why they looked at it, but still a silly idea.
Two other possible future topics. British Submarines in the Baltic in World War I. Kriegsmarine Submarines in the Pacific in WW2.
Great and - as ever - very informative video, thanx for that! The transfer of not only submarines but also R-Boats and S-Boats by Kulemeyer (?) - Road-Transport Systems and by river is a extremely interesting sidestroke of WW2. In my humble opinion, this clearly shows the overreach of German possibilities even though engineering ingenuity
Another great collaboration.
Thanks Drach & Bernhard
thanking you both very interesting
Amazing footage!!!
For further reading, check out: Lawrence Paterson, "Steel and Ice, the U-Boat battle in the Arctic and Black Sea 1941-1945"
Very much enjoyed, thank you :-)
The Germans needed Napolonis underwater Tanks from the movie The great dictator. But of course, Tomanias flying Dreadnoughts may well have been more useful in the long run.
I enjoy your TH-cam channel very much.
Enjoy both of you guys channels. Hope to see more of you two together here and on his channel.
27:00 Drach becoming that guiding drone-character in sci-fi
You shortly talked about the possibility of sending a Finnish sub to the Black Sea but didn't remember the name. You probably meant Saukko (99tn, crew of 15), which was the smallest of the five Finnish subs. The next smallest was Vesikko* (de facto prototype of the German type IIA) at about 250tn which would have been at the limit (she survives and you can visit her at Viapori and get in her in the summer months when she's open). The other three were about 500 tns.
*I hope we get a 5-min guide about the Vesikko sometime, as a surviving boat of some importance for submarine history.
Always love the content from both of these channels, but Drach might be the best partner for MHV I've heard so far 😊