It's also possible that the zoldycks don't teach their children nen, and simply expect them to learn it on their own by going out into the world in hopes of fostering their independence. It really wouldn't be out of character for the family...
@@haroldnecmann7040he probablyb recognized the destruction from when he first saw it when he was little then simply connected the dots when it was used in the final battle. There is no way killua is that dense
This is the most logical explanation too, idk why people make theories that only have speculation. Anyways, the second best theory was the first one(about reaching the 200th floor) since it would make sense to not teach your kid something if they don’t want to do it.
My favorite explanation comes from the manga itself. In the manga we are told that Nen and personality are linked, complementary and dependent. Therefore, teaching Nen to someone without sufficient personal development would limit their potential. It would be like tempering a sword without first acquiring the necessary heat to forge it. Emotional and personal development is necessary as Nen becomes stronger the more involvement the user has from their own experiences.
That make sense. Also since people need to make their own signature moves at some point, it’s helpful to have more experiences so you can better make a move that suits you
If u look back at the scene where killua's mother said something about "why he was allowed to leave in a crucial training" means something. I'm pretty sure the whole family thinks killua isn't ready yet and he left early too so biscuit had to condition their body.
My sister said its probably because of Illumi's needle made him forget, since the moment he removed it, he knew zeno's dragon dive, illumi's nen ability's name, even tho he didn't knew nen, and he completely forgot about Alluka until after the needle got removed. Mostlikely he knew what nen was but didnt learn it yet but forgot about it
Ooh I like this it would explain most of the plot holes, also it would make sense in story since if he knows nen he could potentially sense and remove the needle
@@santoleskizito9583 that’s why it’s a theory, not confirmed, also we don’t know what Illumi’s nen ability that well yet since the needle he used on Killua is WAYYYY different from the ones he used on the citizens since killua also stated that they would be paralyzed so it’s better if they’re dead then suffer like that
@santoleskizito9583 it literally overrides people entire brains and turns them into zombies. So technically that would fall under memory erase as well
There was the time in the chimera ant arc when Killua knew it was his grand pa coming down to storm the mansion because of dragon dive, but that would imply that hed known about it prior to ten which is weird considering you cant see nen before you learn it
People misunderstand this one a lot. Not all nen is invisible to people who don't know about nen. Dragon dive is an attack with a HUGE range and devastion. It's not like something covered up so only those using gyo could see it. Castro is another great example of this. He literally makes a clone of himself and everyone is able to see it. Non nen users aren't able to see bungee gum though and hisoka went further and made his bungee gum invisible to nen users too unless they used gyo.
Bro his grandpa literally dived from the sky and destroyed everything, he could definitely just connect the dots even without the giant fucking dragon if he had seen it before
@@tokyosecuritycomitteeemplo9135 ok smart ass. I'm saying the actual reason Killua didn't have nen like the rest of his family was because the series was gonna be a regular Adventure Battle Shonen story and a lot of the weird happens that were originally gonna be chalked up to "standard anime abilities" were retroactively fitted into the Nen Power System. He had been introduced early in the series so stuff like his claws and rhythm step was non-nen as was his older brother's disguise trick.
@@tokyosecuritycomitteeemplo9135 okay. But is mass guessing and fan head canon really part of someone else's writing process? To my knowledge, Togashi has never stated the reason why Killua didn't know Nen. Yes, we can *assume* the points the video points out to try and explain it away. But at the end of the day, Togashi should answer it so we have a definitive answer. A Canon answer. The thing is, at the end of the day, it *is* just a story. But if you're going to come up with an in universe concept and say, "It's been there all along." you should have someone on your team that helps you find story elements that don't make sense after the fact and fill it in asap (or at the very least have some data books confirm that things we've seen in the past are that element retroactively). It's like when in Naruto they started saying "oh yeah, Naruto had people other than Ramen Guy and Iruka who were nice to him growing up" when we were shown quite the opposite at the beginning of the series. I don't personally like it, and unfortunately it's canon because of clips brought up later in the story, but the author has never given an in universe reason for WHY none of these childhood friendships were shown in the beginning other than an out of universe explanation of the author hadn't thought of it.
@@harley8047He definitely knew about Nen already. Killuah, who hadn't finished his training yet, not knowing about Nen really isn't a plot hole at all
I think both of those reasons are true. I made the same question and I'd go back to Illumi's needle and how the whole family knew about it and "let" it be until Killua himself removed it.
It’s apparent that Illumi and Silva see Killua as a tool, and you can probably infer that they didn’t think he was ready for it yet. But Manga fans don’t read so it’s expected that mfs will find plot holes anywhere and everywhere
Why did his dad tell him to live his life and make friends though? It seemed as if he once viewed him as a tool but then started to treat him like am actual son
@zakcat5175 if Hisoka's punch was meant to be powered up by Nen then that should've awaken Gon's nen as a batpism along with knocking him out completely. The same can be said for a lot of other scenes where it doesn't make sense if Nen was already a thing. These kind of questions then are pretty pointless but if Togashi wanted he could just say Silva thought it would've been better for Killua to learn it on his own. Not to mention he ran away from home and he's extremely strong already as Zushi using Nen in a beginner level can barely resist his punches. The Nen system does fit the general hxh world pretty well though as at first there was the becoming strong and having good abilities. (For instance Hanzo is strong even without knowing Nen and so is Gon when he enters the heaven arena while Killua can transform his hands to kill people more effectively and that isn't stated to be about nen) But when Nen is introduced they say it's about controlling a natual energy everyone already has so here's the answer: the previous examples are all about developing Nen energy without knowing it and using it fully in refined way. It's like Zushi's training as he could not be able to use any kind of active nen for a long time and needed a master to turn from a patient devolpment of his energy to a gradual expression of Ten and Ren and Gyo.
@mihajlopetkovic388 the Needle part of it a very small reason that was just something about and to ensure he never fought any battle he couldn't win which is opposite of Nen you never go into a fight believing you can't win or based off experience only what happening during battle what matters.
The Zoldycks realise that Killua is different, a once in a generation occurrence. So they did what anyone would do. (Also Silva let him do anything) _Let him move at his own pace._
@@a_very_burnt_steak He was never in contact with Zeno after learning nen until the chimera ant arc and this is not an attack he can casually show to Killua as it was a devastating nen ability that can do wide range of destruction. His family was never in favor of him doing as he likes. Her mother does not want him to go out, Illumi does not want him getting involve with people outside, and Silva only allowed him when Killua discovered the outside world. If Killua did not rebelled to his family, he won't be able to move on his own pace and most likely will become Illumi's tool. Honestly he is the only Zoldyk without freedom aside from Alluka. Kalluto, Illumi and Milluki seems unrestricted to their own actions. Kalluto even joined the troupe.
@@a_very_burnt_steak No one approved his venture before going to hunter exams. He just escaped on his own and had to stab his mother in the process. Meaning if he did not do it, he will be kept inside the mountain residence for who knows how long. This is why I am saying the other siblings has more freedom than him because they don't need anyones approval to go outside or do anything like what Kalluto did. While Killua needs to escape first and gets his father's approval afterwards.
They did teach him nen, through his training, they created / improved the potential abilities of his nen. Zoldycks all have assassination related abilities. And the three emitters (who all have white hair) all have lightning transmuted auras and related abilities.
I mean... No!? None of what you said is right? Because for you to use nen subconscious, it means you are USING IT. don't you think killuas would think "umm.. Why can't these people use techniques like mine? Why are they so weak? ". Don't you think killua is smart enough to question it? He is literally depicted as a genius and wary person. Also, 2 white haired ppl, and 2 (potential) electricity users. we don't know if Silva uses electricity. Maybe its just an animation effect since electricity always looks good
The actual reason is Togashi hadn't come up with the concept yet but no one wants to admit it. To the internet everything is either perfect or trash, so admiting a little mistake like this is immediatly assuming HxH is trash. Which it isn't
Yep these two explanations make perfect sense, which is why it’s not really a plot hole, it’s just something that’s not explained but makes sense. A plot hole is something that’s not explained and doesn’t make sense, which means that any explanation you could come up with to justify it would be nonsensical or incredibly convoluted. This is clearly not the case here
I thought the plot who he was going to mention was how did he configure his hand to look like that, but he was able to transfigure his hand to be as hard as steel to rip out somebody's heart😮
@@tess4940 yes, but not Dragon Dive since it's not that kind of ability. for exemple Kurapika's Chain is visible, because it's Conjuration, but Dragon Dive is Emission, so it shouldn't be visible
Killua could've easily seen it as a younger kid. He was always able to perceive nen ever since Illumi put his nen-imbued needle in Killua's head, or when Nanika make Killua go "high, high." We know from Heaven's Arena Arc and also Succession Contest Arc that when nen is used on a non-nen user, their aura nodes open and they're awoken to nen. Illumi's needle is a nen ability that would 100% awaken Killua to nen, but Nanika making Killua float very likely uses nen and would've been a form of initiation too, had they not already put a needle in Killua's head. So since then, all it takes is for Zeno to use Dragon Dive at any point afterwards and Killua would've seen it.
Because he has seen the technique and/or been told about it. Killua has always known that the people of his family are much stronger than him, and of some things they could do, he just didn't know _how_ they did it.
Probably cause when the mangaka started out he didnt seem to have wanted there to be a chi system, only deciding on it a bit in, then having to retroactively explain it was there all along.
Probably the same reason why Hanzo didn’t know. If I had to guess, for elite professions they expect you to reach a certain level of development without it. What’s more surprising is how advanced Kulluto is with it, despite them being younger than Killua. How did they show they were more prepared to learn it than Killua, is what I wonder.
The real explanation was that it just wasn’t in full development in the story yet. Although, I like to think that it was because he could kill most of the family without it so they were kinda keeping him on a ball and chain by having his brother, father and grandfather over him in terms of power
In fact, teaching nen to someone who is really young, may get you stuck in bad decisions about restrictions and changes of points in their aurea, sou when you're mature enough to develop your nen through your self awarenes and more experienced may bring you better results on which path to follow on your training of nen
In my opinion its the same reason the hunters that knew about nen didnt tell them and just said the hunter exam isnt over yet i guess its like a universal figure it out yourself rule
According to nen Initiation, Killua technically would've been able to see/perceive nen since Illumi put a needle with his nen in Killua's head. If a non-nen user is affected by anything with nen, it awakens them to nen. Now, that doesn't mean Killua would know Gyo though, but you don't need to know Gyo to see nen abilities really. It's even stranger, though, that Kalluto knew nen and he's the youngest of the Zoldycks, yet Killua apparently had to learn nen through Heaven's Arena.
I'd say that there was a very different course for the plotline when planning Heavens Arena and when Gon and Killua show up in story. Killua really does showcase something that may be deemed "nen" in his transformation effects (like how he ripped out that dude's heart) and does so prior to the official revelations of Nen as a concept, but it's still odd how he really seems to have no awareness of it while other family members around his age later do.
I love these conversation because obviously the answer is “because the writer hadn’t thought of it back then” but the fans are just doing mental gymnastics to make it make sense and refuse to admit the reality like a pro wrestling fan refusing to accept that the matches are staged
most likely nen just wasn't really a thing in the beginning of the story togashi is a very go with the flow writer especially after writing the very formulaic yu yu hakusho and being very limited by shonen jump this would explain some plotholes like killiua knowing his grandpas dragon dive despite never having interacted with him after learning about nen or how killua was considered the most talented zoldyck despite kalluto being younger and mastering nen to a degree where she could join the phantom trouppe
Then explain to me why killua said that he felt a insane aura from his brother in the end of the hunter exam? that was nen, and when gon hid his presence when he was hiding from hisoka, he used nen without knowing (it is possible) of course nen was already a thing
The real reason is Togashi only came up with nen around heaven’s arena. So hunter exam arc had no semblance of nen whatsoever There are a lot of inconsistencies tbh, like Killua recognizing his grandpa’s nen technique despite never being exposed to nen in their household or the judges Gon’s hunter exam not pointing out that Hisoka and Illumi were nen users. The most solid proof I can think of is the proctor that Hisoka killed, nen is a prerequisite for a pro hunter/proctor but during their fight (and obviously you would have to go all out with nen in a death battle) not a single ounce of nen was used
Some things can just be told and not shown, I assume Killua was told about Dragon dive but he never saw it or knew it was from nen (or it really is an inconsistency) The judges had no reason to tell the contestants about about who the nen users were
Killua is definetly smart enough to connect the dots and say that its his grandfather's signature dragon dive, basically recognizing the destruction caused by the dive when he was exposed to it when he was little, though he may iust see random debris falling and sucg
My bros, hxh is a masterpiece but some things just don't add up. Kaluto knew nen and even had a hatsu. So why would the zoldycks not teach it to potentially their strongest member killua? Gon breaking Illumi's arm but struggled in arm wrestling against one of the physically weakest troupe member (who wasn't even using her dominant arm) lol. There's also some nen techniques that falls into a questionable category (Palm's mermaid thingy should've been specialization but it falls under enhancement, that motherfkin ability had nothing to do with enhancement)
@@TommyTheGeneralistI agree with almost everything, halfly with the nen assessments and less so with the Gon thing- If the phantom troupe was a random character instead then maybe, but breaking someone’s arm has nothing to do with not winning an arm wrestle. You expect the bones to flex their muscles? I’m pretty sure the whole point of that was to show “Wow, Gon is strong but even one of the weakest members is physically stronger without being an enhancer!!!” That’s not really a plot hole to me, for example, you can break someone’s arm in real life but that person can also physically be stronger than you. Keep in mind Illumi also let Gon grab him so there’s that, not sure how being weaker than another character is a plot hole man 🤷🤷♀️
@@TommyTheGeneralist Calling it a masterpiece doesn't make your argument more valid. I'm assuming Zoldycks learned nen on their own, because it doesn't show that any of Killua's siblings where taught by their parents. Also, Illumi wasn't really fighting back or defending himself back there. If Shizuku acted the same way, Gon would've ripped her arm off (but then again, he was stronger at that point in time than he was during the Hunter exams). Kalluto in general is an asspull so I agree there. And yeah Palm's ability threw me the hell off
For them it might be just like expecting your kids to learn how to sprint or ride a bike or something, they will somehow learn it eventually, nothing to worried about.
the family was clearly preparing Killua for nen since they used electrocution torture to prepare his hatsu. maybe they wanted to make sure he wouldn’t choose a poor hatsu if they train him too early.
I think they wanted to keep him safe for longer. Had he known Nen he would think he can beat anybody. He did gain that confidence later though but due to Illumis needle he always self doubted himself. I believe that was their strategy of keeping him safe from trouble.
Killua got dropped off at Heavens Arena at 8 iirc, and it took two years for him to get to floor 200, where he stopped. This would have been where he would have first been awoken to nen, had he continued. As this was his family's orders, I see that as their initial attempt to awaken his nen.
Its not a plothole if there is multiple explanations to why that scenario is how it is. Its more so a plothole that Killua knew what Dragondive was when he had no time to learn of that ability since he has not been with his family on screen ever since learning nen to the degree that he couldve learned each and everyones abilities.
probably cuz they assumed they were gonna pass the hunter exam for the hunter license benefits, killua could easily have passed the 1st exam if it wasnt for his brother.
He actually knew it kinda but didn't understand it. In the Chimera ant arc he was the only one who knew that the attack on the Palace was Dragon Dive a Nen attack from his grandpa Zeno. How did he know about the attack unless he had seen it as a child?
because he heard his grandpa yell out the techniques name like all anime characters do whilst flying thru the air and crashing into the ground at alarming speeds
@@Djinnerator He wasnt, he learned about Nen with Wing at the heavens arena. Its even weirdier when you think he managed to get to 200th floor prior to the arena arc (where pretty much everyone uses nen) and still he didnt know how to use it in the present.
@@blazzyjuh8235 "Know/learn how to use nen" is different from "can see/perceive nen." In that very arc, Wing says how people can permanently be awoken to nen if a nen ability is used on them. That's the exact same way Kurapika is getting Kakin bodyguards to awaken them to nen and then train them on using it. If Killua wasn't able to see nen, that means nen initiation is false or that Illumi's needles don't use nen. We know nen initiation isn't false since Wing and Kurapika use it (Kurapika, often), and know Illumi's hatsu is how he uses his needle. Since we know that, if Killua couldn't see nen, that means Illumi's needle wasn't in Killua's head, which we know it was. These are facts explicitly mentioned in the manga and anime, all of the information regarding whether Killua could see and perceive nen was provided to us. The only way to deny that is to say that either Illumi's needles aren't using nen, a needle wasn't in Killua's head, or nen initiation is false. All three of those premises are objectively false, meaning Killua was able to see nen, at the very least, since Illumi's needle was planted in his head.
It could be because Nen amplifies the personality attributes of the person when manifested. If his character development wasn't considered to be the perfect heir, giving access to nen, with his rebellious, carefree attitude, would make him stray even further away from their desired goal.
@@Djinneratorfor me, is just illumi needle who make him forgot nen, after he cut it out, killua remember all of that, and remember the dragon dive from Zeno
Zoldicks sound like a family that would let it members get stronger on their own, probably believing that luck is also a skill so if he is unlucky and does not learn NeN that is on him
he would have eventually found illumis nen needle that way, illumi can give him strength as he pleases that way and also track him. source he eventually finds it and is able to get past that mental barrier installed in his brain to run away during the chimera ant arc vs knuckles and the other dude
@@LightCombat00-ej6emExactly, I don't know why people keep saying it wasn't part of the series until later when it was explicitly used during the first arc lol. Killua knowing Dragon Dive also isn't a plot hole because Illumi put his nen-imbued needle in Killua's head when he was much younger, which, as we learn in Heaven's Arena Arc and Succession Contest Arc, using a nen ability on a non-nen user permanently awakens them to nen and opens all of their aura nodes. So Zeno would've just had to use Dragon Dive at any point with Killua around after Illumi put the needle in his head and he would've seen it.
@@Djinnerator exactly you gotta pay attention to the series the answers are there I promise you another reason why i love re watching hunter. Hisoka was using nen the entire time how else do they think his cards are able to cut people it was just demonstrated later on by wing exactly what he was doing, and he also made a guys arms disappear in thin air, and gon already knew zetsu from being a wild boy
One simple reason. Killua ran away from home because they kidnapped and inprisoned Alluka. Illumi used a needle. So Killua forgot about it. If Killua learns nen, he would free Alluka.. which exactly what happened when he mastered Godspeed
Wasnt it mentioned that they wanted to manipulate him through illumis nen ability, since killua is such a talent. Him Learning Nen early would lead to illumi not being able to control him anymore
Illumi wouldn't be able to control Killua _unless_ Killua was able to perceive nen. By being exposed to nen, you can now perceive it. Illumi's needle is imbued with nen, so Killua would've always been able to see nen. He just wouldn't know the specifics behind nen.
Both are correct. If Killua fights 200th floor heaven's arena he would have learned nen at the age of 6 but Killua bailed out because of his rebelious nature.
The 1st sounds more plausible Killua isn't really rebelious except towards his siblings and mom But his father and grandpa, he's a perfect child assassin They could've molded him into a non feeling killing machine, but instead of that They had Illumi place 1 of his needles to protect his sense of self somewhat He still went through inhumane training, but he was given some freedom to do as he wishes
yeah his dad should have said 250 floor LMAO cause kids are really crafty when you say they cant do this untill something is done then do it on a completly different thing than you want but they did do it so....
Biscuit went above and beyond with the training. I don't think the Zoldyck family expected Killua to power up so such a high level. Xeno was surprised enough to mention to Silva about Killua removing Illumi's needle. New theory: all children in the Zoldyck family are called boys. The same way that Kakin royalty are all princes, regardless of gender. So Alluka and Kalluto may actually be girls than cross dressers. Togashi has crazy dynamics to the culture of his characters. This'll age good or bad lol.
It’s important to remember that the way that gon, killua, and the chimera ant soldiers learned nen is not the “correct” way. Ideally, you would be spending years unlocking it yourself and building upon the fundamentals, like Zushi. This could have been the training Killua was getting before he ran away. Kalluto, at a younger age than Killua, already has nen, which seems to imply that he received the shortcut method of learning nen, but I don’t think it’s hard to believe that the Zoldycks would take the more traditional approach with their family heir.
Personally, I have a feeling it's cuz his brother decided it'd be far too dangerous for him to learn nen and kept ghe concept away from him so he could have even more control
Not to dispute what everyone else is saying, I'm sure that's part of it. But also think about this, Nen doesn't necessarily give you raw super strength but it can very easily be a shortcut to achieving superhuman feats of strength speed and stamina. Killua became superhuman without Nen and this no doubt makes him an extremely proficient assassin, and even when Nen isn't an option he can use his physical attributes. Gon has them too, just not to the same degree.
It's also possible that the zoldycks don't teach their children nen, and simply expect them to learn it on their own by going out into the world in hopes of fostering their independence. It really wouldn't be out of character for the family...
Dragon dive, togashi dun goof
@@haroldnecmann7040he probablyb recognized the destruction from when he first saw it when he was little then simply connected the dots when it was used in the final battle. There is no way killua is that dense
This is the most logical explanation too, idk why people make theories that only have speculation. Anyways, the second best theory was the first one(about reaching the 200th floor) since it would make sense to not teach your kid something if they don’t want to do it.
I like hxh but killua knowing dragon dive was a mistske on the writers part.@dwight_animations6742
@@aprofessionalgamer5355 yeah im just tryna figure out a logical way it would make sense but it still falls short
My favorite explanation comes from the manga itself. In the manga we are told that Nen and personality are linked, complementary and dependent.
Therefore, teaching Nen to someone without sufficient personal development would limit their potential. It would be like tempering a sword without first acquiring the necessary heat to forge it.
Emotional and personal development is necessary as Nen becomes stronger the more involvement the user has from their own experiences.
Great explanation
That make sense. Also since people need to make their own signature moves at some point, it’s helpful to have more experiences so you can better make a move that suits you
except the ants.
Basically he was too much of an npc to sufficiently learn how to use nen
@@WaitingForYukiOnna They had memories from their previous life already
If u look back at the scene where killua's mother said something about "why he was allowed to leave in a crucial training" means something. I'm pretty sure the whole family thinks killua isn't ready yet and he left early too so biscuit had to condition their body.
My sister said its probably because of Illumi's needle made him forget, since the moment he removed it, he knew zeno's dragon dive, illumi's nen ability's name, even tho he didn't knew nen, and he completely forgot about Alluka until after the needle got removed. Mostlikely he knew what nen was but didnt learn it yet but forgot about it
Ooh I like this it would explain most of the plot holes, also it would make sense in story since if he knows nen he could potentially sense and remove the needle
Illumi's needles was never stated to make people forget something
@@leahbeah1585then he could have removed it earlier
@@santoleskizito9583 that’s why it’s a theory, not confirmed, also we don’t know what Illumi’s nen ability that well yet since the needle he used on Killua is WAYYYY different from the ones he used on the citizens since killua also stated that they would be paralyzed so it’s better if they’re dead then suffer like that
@santoleskizito9583 it literally overrides people entire brains and turns them into zombies. So technically that would fall under memory erase as well
There was the time in the chimera ant arc when Killua knew it was his grand pa coming down to storm the mansion because of dragon dive, but that would imply that hed known about it prior to ten which is weird considering you cant see nen before you learn it
That's a simple plot hole obviously
Conjuring makes a visible item though doesn't it?
People misunderstand this one a lot.
Not all nen is invisible to people who don't know about nen.
Dragon dive is an attack with a HUGE range and devastion. It's not like something covered up so only those using gyo could see it.
Castro is another great example of this. He literally makes a clone of himself and everyone is able to see it. Non nen users aren't able to see bungee gum though and hisoka went further and made his bungee gum invisible to nen users too unless they used gyo.
Bro his grandpa literally dived from the sky and destroyed everything, he could definitely just connect the dots even without the giant fucking dragon if he had seen it before
@@Kishiwiikinda, conjured things can be seen. Castros clone was considered while dragon dive and bungee gum is just pure nen.
i think that illumi didnt want him to learn it because he then would find out that he controlls him
So the needle?
word big bird
The actual explanation:
"I hadn't come up with Nen yet."
WOAH! WRITERS WRITE?! 🤯🤯🤯
@@tokyosecuritycomitteeemplo9135 ok smart ass.
I'm saying the actual reason Killua didn't have nen like the rest of his family was because the series was gonna be a regular Adventure Battle Shonen story and a lot of the weird happens that were originally gonna be chalked up to "standard anime abilities" were retroactively fitted into the Nen Power System.
He had been introduced early in the series so stuff like his claws and rhythm step was non-nen as was his older brother's disguise trick.
@@harley8047 It makes no sense to give an out-of-universe answer to an in-universe question. That would invalidate the concept of stories itself.
@@tokyosecuritycomitteeemplo9135 okay.
But is mass guessing and fan head canon really part of someone else's writing process?
To my knowledge, Togashi has never stated the reason why Killua didn't know Nen.
Yes, we can *assume* the points the video points out to try and explain it away.
But at the end of the day, Togashi should answer it so we have a definitive answer. A Canon answer.
The thing is, at the end of the day, it *is* just a story.
But if you're going to come up with an in universe concept and say, "It's been there all along." you should have someone on your team that helps you find story elements that don't make sense after the fact and fill it in asap (or at the very least have some data books confirm that things we've seen in the past are that element retroactively).
It's like when in Naruto they started saying "oh yeah, Naruto had people other than Ramen Guy and Iruka who were nice to him growing up" when we were shown quite the opposite at the beginning of the series. I don't personally like it, and unfortunately it's canon because of clips brought up later in the story, but the author has never given an in universe reason for WHY none of these childhood friendships were shown in the beginning other than an out of universe explanation of the author hadn't thought of it.
@@harley8047He definitely knew about Nen already. Killuah, who hadn't finished his training yet, not knowing about Nen really isn't a plot hole at all
I like hearing all these explanations that cover up the likely fact that the writer just didn't plan the manga with nen from the beginning
I think both of those reasons are true. I made the same question and I'd go back to Illumi's needle and how the whole family knew about it and "let" it be until Killua himself removed it.
It’s apparent that Illumi and Silva see Killua as a tool, and you can probably infer that they didn’t think he was ready for it yet. But Manga fans don’t read so it’s expected that mfs will find plot holes anywhere and everywhere
Yes, that too. It was heavily implied that he's destined to be an assassin
Why did his dad tell him to live his life and make friends though? It seemed as if he once viewed him as a tool but then started to treat him like am actual son
@@thatonekid20111 did you miss the part where Silva told Michiko he had hidden intent for Killua like 5 seconds after that though?
@@Lunaspapalisten... I forgot.
The real plot-hole is why killua knew Zeno's dragon dive
I feel like nen wasn’t fully planned in the Hunter exam arc
I feel like that's obvious
Well NO its a test for you to become a true Hunter only for those who pass not for everyone
@zakcat5175 if Hisoka's punch was meant to be powered up by Nen then that should've awaken Gon's nen as a batpism along with knocking him out completely. The same can be said for a lot of other scenes where it doesn't make sense if Nen was already a thing.
These kind of questions then are pretty pointless but if Togashi wanted he could just say Silva thought it would've been better for Killua to learn it on his own. Not to mention he ran away from home and he's extremely strong already as Zushi using Nen in a beginner level can barely resist his punches.
The Nen system does fit the general hxh world pretty well though as at first there was the becoming strong and having good abilities. (For instance Hanzo is strong even without knowing Nen and so is Gon when he enters the heaven arena while Killua can transform his hands to kill people more effectively and that isn't stated to be about nen) But when Nen is introduced they say it's about controlling a natual energy everyone already has so here's the answer: the previous examples are all about developing Nen energy without knowing it and using it fully in refined way. It's like Zushi's training as he could not be able to use any kind of active nen for a long time and needed a master to turn from a patient devolpment of his energy to a gradual expression of Ten and Ren and Gyo.
@mihajlopetkovic388 the Needle part of it a very small reason that was just something about and to ensure he never fought any battle he couldn't win which is opposite of Nen you never go into a fight believing you can't win or based off experience only what happening during battle what matters.
it very much was what are you yapping about
I always thought they were GOING to but then Killua up and left to do his own things so they never got to learn him it.
the real reason is when they tried to he thought it was useless stretches and decided not to do it
Maybe because they saw his potential and wanted to give him proper assassin training so his power would be useful
Killua would a lot harder to catch and bring home if he learned nen. They will probably teach it to him if he’s willing to lead the family.
The Zoldycks realise that Killua is different, a once in a generation occurrence. So they did what anyone would do. (Also Silva let him do anything)
_Let him move at his own pace._
This is just a pure plothole. Killua has zero knowledge about nen until he met Wing but he knows what Zeno's Dragon Dive is.
@@Dumplings13 Zeno certainly told him about the Dragon Dive
@@a_very_burnt_steak He was never in contact with Zeno after learning nen until the chimera ant arc and this is not an attack he can casually show to Killua as it was a devastating nen ability that can do wide range of destruction.
His family was never in favor of him doing as he likes. Her mother does not want him to go out, Illumi does not want him getting involve with people outside, and Silva only allowed him when Killua discovered the outside world. If Killua did not rebelled to his family, he won't be able to move on his own pace and most likely will become Illumi's tool.
Honestly he is the only Zoldyk without freedom aside from Alluka. Kalluto, Illumi and Milluki seems unrestricted to their own actions. Kalluto even joined the troupe.
@@Dumplings13 He gained freedom when he ran away though. Silva "approved" it.
@@a_very_burnt_steak No one approved his venture before going to hunter exams. He just escaped on his own and had to stab his mother in the process. Meaning if he did not do it, he will be kept inside the mountain residence for who knows how long. This is why I am saying the other siblings has more freedom than him because they don't need anyones approval to go outside or do anything like what Kalluto did. While Killua needs to escape first and gets his father's approval afterwards.
They did teach him nen, through his training, they created / improved the potential abilities of his nen.
Zoldycks all have assassination related abilities. And the three emitters (who all have white hair) all have lightning transmuted auras and related abilities.
I mean... No!? None of what you said is right? Because for you to use nen subconscious, it means you are USING IT. don't you think killuas would think "umm.. Why can't these people use techniques like mine? Why are they so weak? ". Don't you think killua is smart enough to question it? He is literally depicted as a genius and wary person. Also, 2 white haired ppl, and 2 (potential) electricity users. we don't know if Silva uses electricity. Maybe its just an animation effect since electricity always looks good
Killua isn't an Emitter though. He's a Transmuter. Silva and Zeno are Emitters.
What is also very weird is the fact that he knew his grandfather’s attack ( the dragon dive ) which means he has seen it before..
The actual reason is Togashi hadn't come up with the concept yet but no one wants to admit it. To the internet everything is either perfect or trash, so admiting a little mistake like this is immediatly assuming HxH is trash. Which it isn't
Yep
The rebellious nature is always how I interpreted it as well.. it couples with the fact that illumi’s needle is in place within Killua’s brain..
They probably knew he would figure out the needle in his head sooner
Yep these two explanations make perfect sense, which is why it’s not really a plot hole, it’s just something that’s not explained but makes sense. A plot hole is something that’s not explained and doesn’t make sense, which means that any explanation you could come up with to justify it would be nonsensical or incredibly convoluted. This is clearly not the case here
It’s actually extremely simple, they wanted him to have a proper foundation in both physical and mental toughness so he wouldn’t solely rely on nen.
I thought the plot who he was going to mention was how did he configure his hand to look like that, but he was able to transfigure his hand to be as hard as steel to rip out somebody's heart😮
If he learned nen at a young age . Illumis hypnosis would've been undone by killua a long time ago and hed be free
I was always under the impression they just wanted them to hone their physical abilities before relying on nen.
Killua: didn’t know Nen up until Heaven’s arena
Also Killua: recognizes Dragon Dive even though he isn’t supposed to have seen it
Some nen attacks are visible to non nen users.
@@tess4940 yes, but not Dragon Dive since it's not that kind of ability.
for exemple Kurapika's Chain is visible, because it's Conjuration, but Dragon Dive is Emission, so it shouldn't be visible
@@RoAias25 he would still see his grandpa lol
"Thats gramps invisible nen dragon that I completely forgot I knew about, wow how silly of me" This was my only issue
Killua could've easily seen it as a younger kid. He was always able to perceive nen ever since Illumi put his nen-imbued needle in Killua's head, or when Nanika make Killua go "high, high." We know from Heaven's Arena Arc and also Succession Contest Arc that when nen is used on a non-nen user, their aura nodes open and they're awoken to nen. Illumi's needle is a nen ability that would 100% awaken Killua to nen, but Nanika making Killua float very likely uses nen and would've been a form of initiation too, had they not already put a needle in Killua's head.
So since then, all it takes is for Zeno to use Dragon Dive at any point afterwards and Killua would've seen it.
I just assumed that he was *supposed* to go further up the tower, where he would've learned about Nen then come back to train, but he stopped short.
The bigger plot hole is...
How does killua know Dragon Dive even before he knew what Nen is?
How often do you see your grandpa dive from the sky and cause the same damage of a small military 💀
Because he has seen the technique and/or been told about it. Killua has always known that the people of his family are much stronger than him, and of some things they could do, he just didn't know _how_ they did it.
Don't forget illumi's needle people in Nanika Arc
Because togashi forgot about that.
But ppl in the internet are idiots who rather make up their own story and believe in it like it was true.
@@neonoah3353 Theories are much more fun than admitting the guy who wrote this has flaws😅
Probably cause when the mangaka started out he didnt seem to have wanted there to be a chi system, only deciding on it a bit in, then having to retroactively explain it was there all along.
love that his biggest plothole isn’t even a plothole
Probably the same reason why Hanzo didn’t know. If I had to guess, for elite professions they expect you to reach a certain level of development without it. What’s more surprising is how advanced Kulluto is with it, despite them being younger than Killua. How did they show they were more prepared to learn it than Killua, is what I wonder.
The real explanation was that it just wasn’t in full development in the story yet. Although, I like to think that it was because he could kill most of the family without it so they were kinda keeping him on a ball and chain by having his brother, father and grandfather over him in terms of power
In fact, teaching nen to someone who is really young, may get you stuck in bad decisions about restrictions and changes of points in their aurea, sou when you're mature enough to develop your nen through your self awarenes and more experienced may bring you better results on which path to follow on your training of nen
In my opinion its the same reason the hunters that knew about nen didnt tell them and just said the hunter exam isnt over yet i guess its like a universal figure it out yourself rule
Well he kinda had nen type properties with his stealth and nail growth but they weren't stand out enough to be classified as his nen abilities.
And then we get the "that's Grandpa's dragon dive" howwwww do you know that lil yoyo dude
According to nen Initiation, Killua technically would've been able to see/perceive nen since Illumi put a needle with his nen in Killua's head. If a non-nen user is affected by anything with nen, it awakens them to nen. Now, that doesn't mean Killua would know Gyo though, but you don't need to know Gyo to see nen abilities really.
It's even stranger, though, that Kalluto knew nen and he's the youngest of the Zoldycks, yet Killua apparently had to learn nen through Heaven's Arena.
I'd say that there was a very different course for the plotline when planning Heavens Arena and when Gon and Killua show up in story. Killua really does showcase something that may be deemed "nen" in his transformation effects (like how he ripped out that dude's heart) and does so prior to the official revelations of Nen as a concept, but it's still odd how he really seems to have no awareness of it while other family members around his age later do.
i expected one of the zoldyck members to have a nen ability related to Snipers
Because Illumi put something on killua's brain he realize it late after the chimera ant arc
I like to think that it's kinda like ki and ss, the stronger your base is, the stronger you are after awakening it
Maybe because he’s ran away and didn’t have a chance to learn yet
I love these conversation because obviously the answer is “because the writer hadn’t thought of it back then” but the fans are just doing mental gymnastics to make it make sense and refuse to admit the reality like a pro wrestling fan refusing to accept that the matches are staged
most likely nen just wasn't really a thing in the beginning of the story
togashi is a very go with the flow writer especially after writing the very formulaic yu yu hakusho and being very limited by shonen jump
this would explain some plotholes like killiua knowing his grandpas dragon dive despite never having interacted with him after learning about nen
or how killua was considered the most talented zoldyck despite kalluto being younger and mastering nen to a degree where she could join the phantom trouppe
Then explain to me why killua said that he felt a insane aura from his brother in the end of the hunter exam? that was nen, and when gon hid his presence when he was hiding from hisoka, he used nen without knowing (it is possible) of course nen was already a thing
“Why didnt Killua know about nen sooner?”
“Plot.”
The real reason is Togashi only came up with nen around heaven’s arena. So hunter exam arc had no semblance of nen whatsoever
There are a lot of inconsistencies tbh, like Killua recognizing his grandpa’s nen technique despite never being exposed to nen in their household or the judges Gon’s hunter exam not pointing out that Hisoka and Illumi were nen users.
The most solid proof I can think of is the proctor that Hisoka killed, nen is a prerequisite for a pro hunter/proctor but during their fight (and obviously you would have to go all out with nen in a death battle) not a single ounce of nen was used
Some things can just be told and not shown, I assume Killua was told about Dragon dive but he never saw it or knew it was from nen (or it really is an inconsistency)
The judges had no reason to tell the contestants about about who the nen users were
Killua is definetly smart enough to connect the dots and say that its his grandfather's signature dragon dive, basically recognizing the destruction caused by the dive when he was exposed to it when he was little, though he may iust see random debris falling and sucg
My bros, hxh is a masterpiece but some things just don't add up. Kaluto knew nen and even had a hatsu. So why would the zoldycks not teach it to potentially their strongest member killua? Gon breaking Illumi's arm but struggled in arm wrestling against one of the physically weakest troupe member (who wasn't even using her dominant arm) lol.
There's also some nen techniques that falls into a questionable category (Palm's mermaid thingy should've been specialization but it falls under enhancement, that motherfkin ability had nothing to do with enhancement)
@@TommyTheGeneralistI agree with almost everything, halfly with the nen assessments and less so with the Gon thing- If the phantom troupe was a random character instead then maybe, but breaking someone’s arm has nothing to do with not winning an arm wrestle. You expect the bones to flex their muscles? I’m pretty sure the whole point of that was to show “Wow, Gon is strong but even one of the weakest members is physically stronger without being an enhancer!!!” That’s not really a plot hole to me, for example, you can break someone’s arm in real life but that person can also physically be stronger than you. Keep in mind Illumi also let Gon grab him so there’s that, not sure how being weaker than another character is a plot hole man 🤷🤷♀️
@@TommyTheGeneralist Calling it a masterpiece doesn't make your argument more valid. I'm assuming Zoldycks learned nen on their own, because it doesn't show that any of Killua's siblings where taught by their parents. Also, Illumi wasn't really fighting back or defending himself back there. If Shizuku acted the same way, Gon would've ripped her arm off (but then again, he was stronger at that point in time than he was during the Hunter exams). Kalluto in general is an asspull so I agree there. And yeah Palm's ability threw me the hell off
For them it might be just like expecting your kids to learn how to sprint or ride a bike or something, they will somehow learn it eventually, nothing to worried about.
Keep the content! All The Best!!! 🙏❤
Could be because of how cocky he is, to have him learn that there are people out the family and their staff that are strong to knock him down.
the family was clearly preparing Killua for nen since they used electrocution torture to prepare his hatsu. maybe they wanted to make sure he wouldn’t choose a poor hatsu if they train him too early.
I think they wanted to keep him safe for longer. Had he known Nen he would think he can beat anybody. He did gain that confidence later though but due to Illumis needle he always self doubted himself. I believe that was their strategy of keeping him safe from trouble.
I thought you were gonna talk about that rhythmic ability which lets him clone himself, that technique is pretty nen-y
they saw his relationship with alluka and didnt want him to learn it perhaps
He first needed to learn that bungee gum has properties of of gum and rubber
Killua didn't know about Nen because the writer hadn't invented it yet.
Killua got dropped off at Heavens Arena at 8 iirc, and it took two years for him to get to floor 200, where he stopped. This would have been where he would have first been awoken to nen, had he continued. As this was his family's orders, I see that as their initial attempt to awaken his nen.
Killua was awoken to nen long before Heaven's Arena. When Illumi put a needle in his brain and when Nanika made him go "high, high."
They didn't teach Killua nen, to save the dark continent.
Maybe they wanted to avoid him developing an ability similar to his brother's ability.
Its not a plothole if there is multiple explanations to why that scenario is how it is. Its more so a plothole that Killua knew what Dragondive was when he had no time to learn of that ability since he has not been with his family on screen ever since learning nen to the degree that he couldve learned each and everyones abilities.
Another theory is that they wanted to have mastering assassin skills without using nen. Then teach him nen
probably cuz they assumed they were gonna pass the hunter exam for the hunter license benefits, killua could easily have passed the 1st exam if it wasnt for his brother.
What about kalluto though, he didn’t get a hunter license but he did actually know nen
He actually knew it kinda but didn't understand it.
In the Chimera ant arc he was the only one who knew that the attack on the Palace was Dragon Dive a Nen attack from his grandpa Zeno. How did he know about the attack unless he had seen it as a child?
He could've easily just seen it as a younger kid. He was already awoken to nen through Initiation when Illumi put a nen needle in his brain.
The actual "Killua's plot hole" is how he recognized Zeno's dragon dive on chimera ant arc.
because he heard his grandpa yell out the techniques name like all anime characters do whilst flying thru the air and crashing into the ground at alarming speeds
@@alh1618 so how he didnt know about nen until after the Hunter exam
He easily could've seen Zeno use Dragon Dive when younger. Killua was always able to see nen ever since Illumi put his needle in his head.
@@Djinnerator He wasnt, he learned about Nen with Wing at the heavens arena. Its even weirdier when you think he managed to get to 200th floor prior to the arena arc (where pretty much everyone uses nen) and still he didnt know how to use it in the present.
@@blazzyjuh8235 "Know/learn how to use nen" is different from "can see/perceive nen." In that very arc, Wing says how people can permanently be awoken to nen if a nen ability is used on them. That's the exact same way Kurapika is getting Kakin bodyguards to awaken them to nen and then train them on using it. If Killua wasn't able to see nen, that means nen initiation is false or that Illumi's needles don't use nen. We know nen initiation isn't false since Wing and Kurapika use it (Kurapika, often), and know Illumi's hatsu is how he uses his needle. Since we know that, if Killua couldn't see nen, that means Illumi's needle wasn't in Killua's head, which we know it was.
These are facts explicitly mentioned in the manga and anime, all of the information regarding whether Killua could see and perceive nen was provided to us.
The only way to deny that is to say that either Illumi's needles aren't using nen, a needle wasn't in Killua's head, or nen initiation is false. All three of those premises are objectively false, meaning Killua was able to see nen, at the very least, since Illumi's needle was planted in his head.
It could be because Nen amplifies the personality attributes of the person when manifested. If his character development wasn't considered to be the perfect heir, giving access to nen, with his rebellious, carefree attitude, would make him stray even further away from their desired goal.
There have been some really strong quick units lately 💪
I was literally just thinking about this yesterday and it pops up in my shorts... Kinda scary
He also knew about dragons dive without seeing it before
He easily could've just seen Dragon Drive before. Killua was already able to perceive nen long before the start of the series.
@@Djinneratorfor me, is just illumi needle who make him forgot nen, after he cut it out, killua remember all of that, and remember the dragon dive from Zeno
Zoldicks sound like a family that would let it members get stronger on their own, probably believing that luck is also a skill so if he is unlucky and does not learn NeN that is on him
Bigger plot point-HOW TF HAS KILLUA SEEN DRAGON DIVE WITHOUT KNOWING NEN
You don't have to know nen to see it. Killua was always able to see nen.
I actually thought the same when it was revealed that kalluto has joined the phantom troupe. Like why did they taught nen to kalluto but not killua?
I thought that he didnt plan on the concept of nen yet😅😅
They didn't teach him because they knew he would kick all their asses
Most likely reason the concept of Nen wasn't fully thought out yet
he would have eventually found illumis nen needle that way, illumi can give him strength as he pleases that way and also track him. source he eventually finds it and is able to get past that mental barrier installed in his brain to run away during the chimera ant arc vs knuckles and the other dude
If Killua knew about Nen too early , iLLumi wouldn’t be able to control him .
I think killua can sense it before he knew the concept of Nen. He just didn't know it or what it's called.
It's obvious that they didn't because of illumi; he would've noticed the needle way sooner if he had learned nen much earlier
How did killua know about dragons dive
Because when Togashi wrote the manga, NEN was not part of his plans, he created it a long time later and the hunter exam is a clear example.
but nen was used in the hunter exam so that ain't true
@@LightCombat00-ej6emExactly, I don't know why people keep saying it wasn't part of the series until later when it was explicitly used during the first arc lol. Killua knowing Dragon Dive also isn't a plot hole because Illumi put his nen-imbued needle in Killua's head when he was much younger, which, as we learn in Heaven's Arena Arc and Succession Contest Arc, using a nen ability on a non-nen user permanently awakens them to nen and opens all of their aura nodes. So Zeno would've just had to use Dragon Dive at any point with Killua around after Illumi put the needle in his head and he would've seen it.
@@Djinnerator exactly you gotta pay attention to the series the answers are there I promise you another reason why i love re watching hunter. Hisoka was using nen the entire time how else do they think his cards are able to cut people it was just demonstrated later on by wing exactly what he was doing, and he also made a guys arms disappear in thin air, and gon already knew zetsu from being a wild boy
Killua was told not to come home until reaching the 200th floor.
Even though Killua did, never went visited it and returned home.
He's still a kid. If killua learn nen at age 5 and already learn god speed, he probably will lost and their parent will be busy to find him lol.
One simple reason. Killua ran away from home because they kidnapped and inprisoned Alluka. Illumi used a needle. So Killua forgot about it. If Killua learns nen, he would free Alluka.. which exactly what happened when he mastered Godspeed
Glad im not the only one who thought of that!
Wasnt it mentioned that they wanted to manipulate him through illumis nen ability, since killua is such a talent. Him Learning Nen early would lead to illumi not being able to control him anymore
Illumi wouldn't be able to control Killua _unless_ Killua was able to perceive nen. By being exposed to nen, you can now perceive it. Illumi's needle is imbued with nen, so Killua would've always been able to see nen. He just wouldn't know the specifics behind nen.
Both are correct. If Killua fights 200th floor heaven's arena he would have learned nen at the age of 6 but Killua bailed out because of his rebelious nature.
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I don't get it
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Nah this is just a plot hole that Tugashi didn’t expect😂 but good effort of explaining it
U guys are forgetting he was like 12 when he left and probably just wasn’t taught it YET or wasn’t ready to learn it YET
I always thought he was pretending to not know it from the beginning the fact he could do the assassin speed /hand thing
I’m pretty sure the people who come across nen naturally have more affinity for it, so that might be why
The 1st sounds more plausible
Killua isn't really rebelious except towards his siblings and mom
But his father and grandpa, he's a perfect child assassin
They could've molded him into a non feeling killing machine, but instead of that
They had Illumi place 1 of his needles to protect his sense of self somewhat
He still went through inhumane training, but he was given some freedom to do as he wishes
yeah his dad should have said 250 floor LMAO cause kids are really crafty when you say they cant do this untill something is done then do it on a completly different thing than you want but they did do it so....
cant we just accept that Togashi didnt came up with nen before the zoldyck family stuff.
Biscuit went above and beyond with the training. I don't think the Zoldyck family expected Killua to power up so such a high level. Xeno was surprised enough to mention to Silva about Killua removing Illumi's needle.
New theory: all children in the Zoldyck family are called boys. The same way that Kakin royalty are all princes, regardless of gender. So Alluka and Kalluto may actually be girls than cross dressers. Togashi has crazy dynamics to the culture of his characters.
This'll age good or bad lol.
I already thought he would be age related training once he’s old enough or he must do a right of passage ritual to finally learn nen from his family
That opens up another plothole of how did Killua recognise his grandfather's hatsu?
It’s important to remember that the way that gon, killua, and the chimera ant soldiers learned nen is not the “correct” way.
Ideally, you would be spending years unlocking it yourself and building upon the fundamentals, like Zushi. This could have been the training Killua was getting before he ran away.
Kalluto, at a younger age than Killua, already has nen, which seems to imply that he received the shortcut method of learning nen, but I don’t think it’s hard to believe that the Zoldycks would take the more traditional approach with their family heir.
Personally, I have a feeling it's cuz his brother decided it'd be far too dangerous for him to learn nen and kept ghe concept away from him so he could have even more control
Not to dispute what everyone else is saying, I'm sure that's part of it. But also think about this, Nen doesn't necessarily give you raw super strength but it can very easily be a shortcut to achieving superhuman feats of strength speed and stamina. Killua became superhuman without Nen and this no doubt makes him an extremely proficient assassin, and even when Nen isn't an option he can use his physical attributes. Gon has them too, just not to the same degree.