@@davewhitmore1958 Hell yeah. He’s the definitive Rorschach just like Heath Ledger is the definitive Joker, and Hugh Jackman being the definitive Wolverine.
Glad you watched the director cut. In my opinion the best addition was the death of original Niteowl. He lamented growing old and not being able to do what he used to. But his death, while sad for us to experience, is a great experience for him. Instead of seeing a bunch of street punks, he sees these villains that he used to fight and in the end gets to die a hero's death in battle.
His death is the death of innocence, of the heroic ideal. The old Nite Owl was the one hero that put on a costume not for selfish purposes or to deal with mental issues, but entirely out a legit drive to help others. And that kind of person has no place in Veidt's new brave world.
When Dr. Manhattan kills Rorschach and Niteowl cries out for his friend, it gets me everytime. Because Daniel was like a traditional superhero. Like he had Superman’s personality but in Batman’s form. So when you watch that scene, you see like his innocents lost in a way. It’s sad.
I hated that part. It's a good example of how Snider does not understand the source material. In the comic, no one witnesses or mourns Rorschach's death. He's a violent narcissistic emotionally stunted sociopath whose pathological inflexibility got him killed. In short, he's a big baby. We like him because babies are cute. But no one can form an adult relationship with a baby. So when he's crushed under the wheels of progress, no one really gives me a damn. However, the tragic part is that he also represents the part of our innocence we sacrifice in order to move forward in the real world. And in that way, he is the most moral character of them all. The point is, that although the audience may mourn him, in his world he is completely alone. His death is so much more powerful in the comics because he dies alone. Even a grieving friend is a major comfort, as it is evidence that you impacted others, and that you will live on in someone else's heart. However, to die alone in the cold is final confirmation that you truly were always alone. His death is devastating in the comic, and it makes his resurrection through the delivery of his diary all the more powerful. No matter how hard you attempt to extinguish "good" for the sake of pragmatism, it always pops back up.
I think Hollice’s death is one the best and saddest scenes of the whole movie. Bravo to him for going out like a boss. Can you believe that was cut from the theatrical version? All we saw was the foot clan talking about going to his place and the Dan finding out from the news in the bar.
In the Watchmen graphic novel, Rorschach's justice on the guy who killed the little girl was even better. He handcuffed him to the stove, gave him a hacksaw and told him that it would take 4 minutes to cut through the chain but only 1 to cut through his wrist. He then lit the place on fire and stood outside watching it burn to the ground as the guy burned alive in the shack, having been unwilling to saw through his wrist.
Lot's of people love the Rorschach character from the graphic novel and the movie, much to the dismay of Alan Moore. He wrote him as a pathetic villain, but that isn't how people saw him at all. They sympathized with his wounded character. But then Moore is a bit odd himself so...there's that.
Too true, he's an anarchist who doesn't seem bothered that if his anarchic utopia came about then the last thing we'd actually need are comic book writers. 🤔
I really like what the HBO series does with him -- or his legacy, at least. His journal gets edited and published by that right wing rag and just fuels conspiracy theories, making the world a worse place.
@@eddhardy1054 I mean, in a true utopia where everyone's basic needs are provided for, everyone would be free to pursue whatever interested them and the arts would be highly valued (we already have a glimpse of such a culture, where patrons are freely giving their money to people in exchange for art and even _art critique,_ like this very youtube channel). And besides, why do you think he'd mourn his career as a comic book writer if a utopia _were_ to come to pass? I'm sure that's a trade he'd gladly make.
@@eddhardy1054 I would highly recommend reading Anarchist literature! You seem to have misconceptions about how it would work. It's about more freedom, and leisure. Not less. And when freedom and leisure increase then entertainment wants also increase.
This was a movie a bit ahead of its time in that the superheroes were not really the driver of the film. For me, this was my favorite Snyder film. Another very underrated Snyder movie is Sucker Punch. I didn't get past the superficial female exploitation imagery at first, but once i understood the story and the multiple interpretations of the ending, i greatly appreciated the film--depressing it may be. Sort of like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
Jesus. I wonder if this film would've been better if Synder's first superhero outing was Man of Steel? Watchmen makes more sense in the late 2010s and 2020's. He also could've had more control to stay faithful to the source. I don't know. Maybe someone would've made it worse in the 2000's or Zack might fumble again.
@@TheNativeEngine literally the only changes Snyder made was to exchange the Squid for those "Dr Manhattan explosions". I liked the movie one more then i was little, but now i realized it also saved at least 30 min having to sett it all up to the point of reveal. Else it's almost a frame-by-panel shot for shot. The most faithful adaptation i know.
The characters are based on other DC characters that were originally from Charlton Comics and DC had plans in using those characters so Alan Moore had to create new characters that where similair. For example, Rorschach is based on The Question and Mr. A, Nite Owl 1 = Blue Beetle 1 Dan Garrett, Nite Owl 2 = Blue Beetle 2 Ted Kord, The Comedian = The Peacemaker, Silk Spectre = Nightshade, Dr. Manhattan = Captain Atom & Ozymandias = Thunderbolt.
@@jmhaces When Moore had to recreate new characters he took the inspiration from Black Canary & a character called Phantom Lady. Moore was apparently never interested in having Nightshade to begin with.
Having read a few Charlton comics in my day, there was another character named Killjoy that I theorized The Comedian may have been based on in his earlier persona, then in later years he took on the Peacemaker look, but I have little to base that on.
Jackie Earle Haley should got a Nomination for Best Supporting Actor (Oscar) for his role as Rorschach. I mean, he played this part perfectly, can't imagine anybody portraying this character again, Jackie just nailed it down. One of my all time favourite performances and it still shocking how Academy overlooked his performance in this film, I understand that mostly he was masked through out the film but that shouldn't stop any Actor receiving a nomination just because you couldn't see his face the entire film.
Your not wrong. Anthony Hopkins got an Oscar for 16 minutes of screen time in Silence of the Lambs. Jackie Haley was perfect and sometimes I think he wasn't acting! He's just a hard Fxcker with some Style. Deep frying someone's face and Your in here with Me.. Brilliant film and Great reaction. Cheer's 🇬🇧
The lady liked the one scene that most critics and Zack Snyder haters single out as a reason to dislike this Masterpiece. This movie doesn’t spoon feed you the plot, it masterfully sets all the pieces to the puzzle throughout the movie. I’m glad Zack left the octopi ending to the novel out. Just a Masterpiece, by the end of the movie I felt few good because I felt like I had solved a rubics cube.
This is probably my all time favourite movie. The world is so dense with ideas yet still finds time to build its characters. I hadn't read a comic since I was a kid until I saw this, then after I started buying them again.
I've always loved this movie. I love how it made the audience question "what type of person would decide to be a superhero"...much like the question, "what type of person would decid to be the President", a sociopath is a pretty good starting point. I've never read the graphic novel, and I'm not much of a Snyder fan. Still, this movie is probably my favorite superhero movie ever.
Rorschach was played by Jackie Earle Haley, who also played Freddie Kreuger in the reboot, and he looks strikingly like Rorschach from the comic. Dr. Manhattan was played by Billy Crudup, which was an awesome choice. There are all sorts of subtle things he does with his eyes and face and the choice to use his normal voice instead of something filtered through a synthesizer was a smart one. It makes him seem even more alien and unnatural.
@@AshrafAnam Jeffrey Dean Morgan was pissed when he got the script and didn't want to do this movie since he had been getting roles where he died or was already dead at the beginning of the story. Like in Weeds where he was dead and only present in a few flashbacks. His agent told him to keep reading and he fell in love with the role. Glad he did. He's awesome!
@@AshrafAnam That's Eli Snyder, Zack's son. He also played young Leonidas in "300", a kid soldier in "Sucker Punch" and a photographer in the short film "Snow Steam Iron".
I like Watchmen as a movie and I think I'm only able to like it because I hadn't read the comic when I first saw it. But I much prefer the comic and looking back at the movie having read it afterwards, I kinda see how it completely misses the point or chooses to focus on something else entirely. I love the comic book. It's one of the few genre defining and trailblazing works of art that has aged so well. So many classics, especially in literature, don't age particularly well. Even if you can see why they became classics, they don't hold up as well. The Watchmen graphic novel holds up 100%, imo and it changed superhero fiction and comic books forever.
I don't really understand why y'all are focusing on her confusion rather than her awesome calls of whats going on. Called antagonist, his sort of harnessing of power, called Ror
@@IAmHumongous It's funny you mention conspiracies like that, considering that before Snowden and after the Patriot Act, people thought government spying was a conspiracy. There are plenty of conspiracies that have proven true. Gulf of Tonkin Incident, for instance. Before you immediately dismiss something as a conspiracy theory, stop to think about why the conspiracy theory exists in the first place.
@@IAmHumongous There are actually a lot of conspiracies going on right now and there have been many throughout history. Technically speaking, the mafia and everything they have ever done is a conspiracy. Criminal organizations are guilty of conspiracy all over the entire world. Right now. As we live and breathe.
Considering the Watchmen characters are direct analogues of the Charlton comics heroes, essentially just elseworlds versions of them, I always found it hilarious that at the same time that Watchmen made The Question into Rorschach, the mainline Question became a much more stable, much more open minded and far more genuinely decent human being. Some seriously counter parallels there. Whereas, Nite Owl 2 and Blue Beetle 2 are essentially the exact same person.
I always wondered if Adrian had actual superhuman powers? He threw The Comedian through a plate glass window, dodged multiple gunshots, wiped the floor with Nite Owl and Rorschach, caught a bullet with his hand, and took 6 or 7 haymakers from Dan to the face and barely flinched.
His superpower is intelligence, but not a superhuman body. He's so smart and capable in his planning and actions that he looks superhuman, and i think the film did a great job of portraying that aspect of his character. So, for example, in the comics, he uses his intellect to come up with new training methods to make himself so physically superior to everyone else that it appears like he has super strength or speed, when in reality, he just has REALLY good technique and is really good at timing things well, like with the bullet catch. He's wearing kevlar gloves and he predicts the exact moment she'll pull the trigger based on her muscle twitches, which he establishes that he can read earlier in the film when he talks about Manhattan's miniscule facial expressions. All that allowed him to time his movements to "catch" the bullet perfectly. They talk about all this more in the graphic novel.
The movie is probably the best adaptation of the graphic novel you could hope for. The way the movie changes the ending has its positives and negatives. Framing Dr. Manhattan for the attack in order to unite the world in peace against a common enemy does tie Dr. Manhattan to the story much better than the graphic novel does. It also reduces any confusion the audience might have if they had kept the bizarre squid creature. However, the squid monster plan is such a gut-punch feeling because you actually get to see the aftermath, resulting in page after page of dead bodies and blood filling the New York City streets. But in the movie, all you get is a couple seconds of a CGI crater where Midtown Manhattan used to be, so it loses a lot of the emotional weight.
I don't agree, because to me, the changed ending makes no sense, it was simply a change of convenience. If you put any thought into it, you can guarantee the USSR has been churning out propaganda against Dr. M for years. He would be viewed as entirely an American creation. There is no way the USSR would buy into him going rogue with no questions asked, there's no way they would forgive decades of anti-American sentiment specifically directed at Dr. M just because of what could have been a nuclear accident. The alien ending fits so much better, of course aliens would force both nations to work together no matter what. It's an extinction-level event. They also show this is possible with the genetic creation of that weird cat creature. Considering how difficult the movie is to follow for the average viewer, adding a thirty second scene to explain how the "Squid" could be possible is not out of the question.
A big part of how well the graphic comic gut-punches the reader is the pages and pages investing the reader into the characters that are then shown to be at the New York focal point. Especially the two Bernards.......
Maybe not for a reaction but your pleasure, there is a digital motion comic using the panels from the Watchmen graphic novel that shows how the original story went. It's very interesting.
The mask doesn't get explained in the movie. In the comic series the fabric was created by Manhattan and it is made of black and white colors that never turn into grey. It was used in the dress of Kitty Genovese (Google her), who deeply disliked it. After her death Rorshac takes the fabric to make his "new face". No super power.
The 'in gratitude/ingratitude' shot is one of the most iconic scenes left out of the theatrical. Hollis' death is a huge moment and really important visual metaphor for the themes of the comic.
Old school info here, Roarschach actor was also the hero/villian in the 1970's Bad News Bears movie about a youth baseball team. I think you'd enjoy the movie.
Always loved this movie, the only scene that takes me out of the moment is when the one prisoner cuts off the arms of the other prisoner. There was no need to do that, there was plenty of room to cut an opening in another location.
It was a matter of time. They knew the riot would only last so long. Flesh cuts faster than metal. Seriously, people should read the source. The graphic novel is twelve parts. Even the long special editions have to leave out some details.
Well ok... It really depends on perspective. Some would call Ozymandias the ultimate super villain. If you are sold to the idea that the end justify the means, then sure he's a "hero", but how many people in our own history has used that has an excuse to do terrible things to people? Lots. And I can assure you, that peace won't last - it's in people's nature to destroy each other - and all the sacrificed people killed will have died for nothing in the end. Ozy has a God complex and doesn't really care for people that much besides himself, and being the saviour of the world - he's certainly not about to selflessly sacrifice himself to achieve that...
@@kingofheavymetal @Alita Berserker #99 Sacrificing himself would be absolutely stupid and irrelevant towards his plot...he was the single mastermind behind the plan so he had to make sure it came to fruition. He was the one who convinced Dr. Manhattan to play along and after it's done and Dr Manhattan is gone he is the only one alive who can clean up any hypthetical divertions to ensure it wasn't for nothing. Him being alive was absolutely essential for it to happen and when it was done what "sacrifice" would he have made by dying (or being punished any other way for that matter)? He literally couldn't sacrifice himself as his death would be meaningless. Now that the world lives in peace the best thing he can do is ensure it stays that way...and maybe even find a way to supply the world with unlimited energy by figuring out a way to hide the fact it's Dr. Manhattan's power. Also you gotta remember that in this lore they were literally facing an imminent nuclear holocaust and he found a way to avert it...nobody else was working towards it and he made it happen. And he's not posing as the savior of the world, neither does it seem that all this came easy to him. Exactly three people alive know it was his doing and that's not because he told them, it's because they figured it out themselfes...it wasn't about a god complex or being the hero, it was about saving the world. So yeah I agree he was the ultimate hero
16:17 probably the best part imo. I love that sudden... i dont know what to call it. The little bit of the real Rorschach that was left in him. He stole the show
I'm beyond disappointed that Jackie Earl Haley never really went anywhere after this. He played the new and inferior Freddy Krueger and a some asshole in the new Robocop who makes no sense but other than that he kind of disappeared. He's amazing in this. They should've found something for him to do as the biggest badass from this movie.
More Trivia: In the graphic novel people kept referring to "RR" running for president. The reader is most likely meant to assume this referred to Ronald Reagan. However, at the end it is revealed that "RR" is Robert Redford, as mentioned at the end of the movie.....
I feel older of not seeing this movie sooo long since I saw it back 2009 in my theaters... Wanna re-watch again. Also, I bought a comic book of it as well back in 2017. Totally worth the read despite my eyes get sore of reading words in a book too much. lol.
The original comic was going to use the Charlton Comics characters DC bought but they decided to withhold them for further stories. Dr. Manhattan = Captain Atom. Ozymandias = Thunderbolt. Rorschach = The Question. Nite-Owl 1 and 2= The Blue Beetle 1 and 2. The Silk Spectre = Nightshade, The Phantom Lady, and mostly Black Canary. The Comedian = Peacemaker. He was in The Suicide Squad and has a show too.
My favourite characters are Nite Owl and Rorschach. I found out about this film when Desolation Row, the song at the end, was due to be released by My Chemical Romance which I stayed in the cinema to listen to when everyone had left. Also my first film to see by myself.
Haven't read the comic. But I like the movie ending a bit more as it is a bit more tragic. Really good film though, great casting. My fave would have to be Rorschach, he was interesting, and really intense. One of my favorite moments is in the prison with Rorschach, "I'm not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with me!"
First thing, Mrs. Movie. Let me hopefully make you feel better. I have the graphic novel. Read it MANY times. I think it was the fifth or sixth reading when I suddenly had an epiphany and said "Holy Carp! Rorschach is the redhead with the "The End is Nigh" sign!!!!!" About Rorschach's "Face". In the graphic novel, when he is telling the doctor {I think that is the timing} about the first time he killed when he tracked down the guy who had killed and dismembered the little girl, he also explained how he got his "Face". In the Watchmen Universe, Kitty Genovese {the young woman who was murdered outside her apartment building while dozens of her neighbors ignored her screams} had ordered a dress made from a new high-tech material {probably designed by Adrian} that would shift patterns in response to body heat. Walter was actually a seamster and worked for the place making her dress. EDIT: She thought the dress was "ugly" and returned it. After her death, he took the material and formed it into his "Face". Rorschach's line "I'm not locked up in here with you, you're locked up in here with me!" is one of the best lines in the entire novel. Trivia: Jeffrey Dean Morgan read the first page of the script and originally turned down the part of the Comedian. He thought that was the entire part for him. Dying in the first scene. He was encouraged to read the whole script before he decided, and loved how big a part Comedian had in the film.
The original comic was going to use the Charlton Comics characters DC bought but they decided to withhold them for further stories. Dr. Manhattan = Captain Atom Ozymandias = Thunderbolt Rorschach = The Question Nite-Owl 1 and 2= The Blue Beetle 1 and 2 The Silk Spectre = Nightshade, The Phantom Lady, and Black Canary The Comedian = Peacemaker He was in The Suicide Squad and has a show too.
I never understood why Dr. Manhattan couldn't have simply "disappeared" all the nuclear weapons on Earth and continued to do so if they tried to build new ones. Or even just get rid of all fissile elements on Earth.
Well, first of all he is not omnipotent, only very very powerful. For what we see, he can 'disassemble' anything only if that thing is in his visual field. He can't 'wish out of existence' an arbitrary number objects that he doesn't know where they are in the other side of the planet. It is also said in the movie that if the soviets launched a full-blown attack, Dr. Manhattan couldn't be able to stop all missiles. So, he can't instaneously destroy every missile or every fissile atom in the earth. He could, of course, destroy the missiles one by one in a more methodic way, and nobody could stop him (figure out where the missile is, teleport, destroy, repeat). The problem with that is he is a part in the conflict. Destroying missiles in his country will make his country susceptible to attack, and destroying soviet missiles would be considered an act of war by the USA, precipitating the war.
Apart from Thanos, Ozymandias is one of the best comic book villains, cause he gets to execute his planes, and that line oooooooh! "'Do that', Rorschach? I'm not a comic book villain. Do you seriously think I would explain my master stroke to you if there were even the slightest possibility you could affect the outcome? I triggered it 35 minutes ago."
To be fair, there was a lot of source material content they crammed into what probably should have been a series instead of a movie. I'll say though, the director's cut was a good choice. The theatrical cut would have been missing a lot for someone who never read it.
I'd prefer the Alien ending. Great recommendation. My favorite character is Nite Owl. I have been going by Night Owl in gaming for a decade? 20 year? I can't remember but my name translates to White Owl, and I stay up all night.
I dressed as Rorshack for Halloween once, fully decked out with the mask and all. The mask had this heat reactive pattern that would be fairly invisible except when I exhaled. where it would appear to expand on a constant pattern on the mask, and then disappear again as the air around the pattern cooled leaving the constant pattern.
29:22 She’s exactly right and it’s true for 99% of movies. Director’s cuts and extended versions are pretty much never the best first viewing experience. Even when you look at universally-loved ones, like Fellowship of the Ring, it’s just fine to watch a briefer version for your first exposure. It’s easier to absorb.
Alan Moore who wrote the comic is some sort of genius and the book has so much in it. I always thought Ozy’s plan in the actual comic was more impactful and more likely to succeed because it has the added layer of shocking humanity that we aren’t alone. That quality of unknown horror from space would trigger our tribalism for survival. I understand why they went this route in the movie, as it needs to be sold less and the movie was already packed trying to fit the massive comic in, but I think it’d be easier for people to get complacent again with Manhattan as a threat. I can be a harsh judge but I was really impressed by the HBO series. It’s head and shoulders above the quality of LOST so it hurts to compare to that imo.
Rorschach's mask is explained in the comic. It's made from an experimental fabric that he stole from his job. Don't know why they didn't include it in the movie. It's a question that everyone has if they only watched the film.
I always just assumed, "it's like that cause super hero stuff" like technology someone just invented. In a world where a blue man can be as tall as a building and disintegrate people with a thought, how his masked worked was prolly the least of the questions I had 😂
Watching her figure it out is so entertaining. Idk why. But it’s kinda like watching your kid figure out how to ride a bike. And when they do you feel happy for them.
"I like how they play the same song we do" 😂 Mr. Movie's got jokes. Dayum, Mrs. Movie would have at least an 8 or 9 perception if she were a Fallout character, she practically called every frame of this complex movie.
Glad you enjoyed it. It's one of my favorite movies and for me, worth multiple theatre trips. It is a deep story that deserves several viewings. The HBO version that continues from the graphic novel is far better than anyone could've hoped for. Truly excellent. And Ozymandius is my favorite. He kind of has a good point.
The HBO series does an amazing job at worldbuilding, especially with the extra materials on the official website. It's extremely true to the graphic novel, and it really feels like a logical progression of the alt history. Jeremy Irons is perfect as Ozymandias. Great soundtrack by Trent Reznor, too.
I still enjoy this reaction. So, the interpretation that I like the most is that Alan Moore was criticizing both the right and the left of politics. The right for their attempts to legislate what is or is not acceptable. The left for using evil and deception to bring about what they believe is the "greater good." Ozymandias was doing just that -- vast evil to bring about what he felt was an even more vast "greater good." Rorschach, on the other hand, refused to compromise even in the face of Armageddon. His view -- after he had seen and experienced in life -- was that he would rather see the world come to an end than to overlook evil and deception from any side. However, by doing it behind everyone's back, Ozymandias was able to use logic design (i.e., the best possible path forward) in order to convince Doctor Manhattan. Rorschach would not accept any good that was based upon a lie. So, Rorschach -- tired of the world as he was of that messed up world and the possibility of living a lie -- caused him to plead to Manhattan for death. Manhattan knew that it was a mercy for Rorschach and the only possible way to prevent this "greater good" from materializing. So, he dematerialized Rorschach.
Um, Actually...the alien squids were a trick: Ozymandias had scientists genetically engineer monstrous horrific entities, and had them teleported to the city locales, and their mergence with local matter was the cause of the explosions (as their arrival caused atomic fusion, the particles attempting to occupy the same space). The only hint we get of this in the film is when Dan and Ms. Jupiter are eating at the Gunga Diner, and one of the other customers orders the six-legged chicken -- a product of Veidt International's genetic agricultural research.
@31:06 Rorschach is actually based on a lesser known DC character called The Question. If you look him up on Google you'll see the resemblance immediately.
@Existential_Carousel Rorschach was created as how an archetypal Batman character would be in real life. So yeah, Batman is still one of the inspirations behind Rorschach creation.
@@gr8gmr They're all realistic versions of super heros... That's the point... Can you find any quotes or info to support that?... Are you Alan Moore? Cuz all i'm seeing is he's based on The Question...
The amazing thing about Rorschach is, that even though I fundamentally disagree with every single of his political views - basically having the exact opposite ideology of what he believes and fights for; he's still my favorite character. In part because he's just such a badass, but mostly because of his sheer indominable willpower. He has no special powers, no gadgets, he's just unstoppable because he refuses to go down.
Fav fight: hmm... the prison jail cell. I just love the style in this movie. It never felt too over the top, dark, mostly realistic or semi-believable realism. The style sells the realism in this movie imo you just want to believe what you are seeing is physically possible. Good performances, strong characters (all of the main ones) i think its one of the best superhero movies ever
Mr. Movies didn't quite explain the graphic novel plot correctly. Ozymandias didn't open a portal to another dimension; he hired scientists, artists, and other specialists to create a gigantic alien squid-like creature that would die upon being teleported to a research facility that focused on dimensional experimentation in the heart of New York City, the resultant explosion killing six million people and causing psychic trauma to millions more, thus tricking world leaders into uniting against an apparent attack from another dimension. Veidt killed everyone who had any part in his conspiracy, and this was the "joke" that The Comedian discovered, necessitating his death at the outset of the story. I hope Mrs. Movies reads the graphic novel, especially if they decide to react to the Watchmen HBO series. It's the only way the show will make any sense to her. (And it's a hell of a good read.)
th-cam.com/video/mLdqKIj3-A0/w-d-xo.html This is a link to the whole comic book series in 14 parts. I like how it depicts super-heroes as having a particular personality, it takes a different sort of ego to put on a costume to fight real-life gunmen, thieves, etc. Rorschach was my favorite character too, he was out to solve the mystery and did it. Yes his methods are brutal but he got results. Ozymandias had to get Jon out of the way, separate him from his last tie to Earth, his girlfriend. His motive was good but the cost was too high. I loved the book, read it many times. The other super-hero team they need to film is The Authority. The group figured out that you don't have to keep fighting the same old villains if you kill them. One and done. Then they go the next step...
Rorschach has the most badass line in this or any other film when he is in prison.....also @Mrs stop trying to use logic and just ''feel it'' you'll dig it the most.
She's good. I mean, Veidt's plan is not that genius and in the comics is even less so, but it's revealed very late in the plot. She figured it out even before they visited Pyramid Transnational. Pretty cool. 🤙
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I like Rorschach's mask but I wish it didn't have my parents fighting on it all the time.
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Very underrated joke.
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Haha, thank you for that!😂
"I'm not locked in here with you! You're locked in here with me!"
~ Rorschach
Badass Line!!
It's a crime that Jackie Earle Haley didn't get an Oscar nomination :(
greatest kung-fu line ever.
"I live my life free from compromise"
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Hell yeah. He’s the definitive Rorschach just like Heath Ledger is the definitive Joker, and Hugh Jackman being the definitive Wolverine.
The graphic novel showed what comics would be like in a world with superheroes. They'd be about pirates.
Well, that was just basic EC tho. Vault of horror, spooky tales and all that
Well superhero comic books existed too. That's where the original minutemen got the idea
Glad you watched the director cut. In my opinion the best addition was the death of original Niteowl. He lamented growing old and not being able to do what he used to. But his death, while sad for us to experience, is a great experience for him. Instead of seeing a bunch of street punks, he sees these villains that he used to fight and in the end gets to die a hero's death in battle.
It's beautifully sad
His death is the death of innocence, of the heroic ideal. The old Nite Owl was the one hero that put on a costume not for selfish purposes or to deal with mental issues, but entirely out a legit drive to help others. And that kind of person has no place in Veidt's new brave world.
When Dr. Manhattan kills Rorschach and Niteowl cries out for his friend, it gets me everytime. Because Daniel was like a traditional superhero. Like he had Superman’s personality but in Batman’s form. So when you watch that scene, you see like his innocents lost in a way. It’s sad.
Imagine if he become another Rorshach
I hated that part. It's a good example of how Snider does not understand the source material. In the comic, no one witnesses or mourns Rorschach's death. He's a violent narcissistic emotionally stunted sociopath whose pathological inflexibility got him killed.
In short, he's a big baby. We like him because babies are cute. But no one can form an adult relationship with a baby. So when he's crushed under the wheels of progress, no one really gives me a damn.
However, the tragic part is that he also represents the part of our innocence we sacrifice in order to move forward in the real world. And in that way, he is the most moral character of them all.
The point is, that although the audience may mourn him, in his world he is completely alone.
His death is so much more powerful in the comics because he dies alone. Even a grieving friend is a major comfort, as it is evidence that you impacted others, and that you will live on in someone else's heart. However, to die alone in the cold is final confirmation that you truly were always alone.
His death is devastating in the comic, and it makes his resurrection through the delivery of his diary all the more powerful. No matter how hard you attempt to extinguish "good" for the sake of pragmatism, it always pops back up.
@@yessum15 Good for you.
@@XghostXfaceX2 lol Did I seriously be trigger you just by commenting on a movie? Jeez fragile much?
@@yessum15 How is that imply I am triggered? Just because I didn’t reply with a paragraph? I literally meant good for you. 🤷🏻♂️
I think Hollice’s death is one the best and saddest scenes of the whole movie. Bravo to him for going out like a boss. Can you believe that was cut from the theatrical version? All we saw was the foot clan talking about going to his place and the Dan finding out from the news in the bar.
I think you don't even get those two scenes in the theatrical. You simply never hear about Hollis again.
In the Watchmen graphic novel, Rorschach's justice on the guy who killed the little girl was even better. He handcuffed him to the stove, gave him a hacksaw and told him that it would take 4 minutes to cut through the chain but only 1 to cut through his wrist. He then lit the place on fire and stood outside watching it burn to the ground as the guy burned alive in the shack, having been unwilling to saw through his wrist.
Agreed!
Really impressed watching her put together the mystery.
She figured it out faster than Rorschach. 🤣
Yeah I never seen anyone make connections so fast before. Good on her.
Lot's of people love the Rorschach character from the graphic novel and the movie, much to the dismay of Alan Moore. He wrote him as a pathetic villain, but that isn't how people saw him at all. They sympathized with his wounded character. But then Moore is a bit odd himself so...there's that.
Too true, he's an anarchist who doesn't seem bothered that if his anarchic utopia came about then the last thing we'd actually need are comic book writers. 🤔
I really like what the HBO series does with him -- or his legacy, at least. His journal gets edited and published by that right wing rag and just fuels conspiracy theories, making the world a worse place.
@@eddhardy1054 I mean, in a true utopia where everyone's basic needs are provided for, everyone would be free to pursue whatever interested them and the arts would be highly valued (we already have a glimpse of such a culture, where patrons are freely giving their money to people in exchange for art and even _art critique,_ like this very youtube channel). And besides, why do you think he'd mourn his career as a comic book writer if a utopia _were_ to come to pass? I'm sure that's a trade he'd gladly make.
@@SuzakuX Not necessarily, a lot of folks who have political views of that sort tend to be hypocritics
@@eddhardy1054 I would highly recommend reading Anarchist literature! You seem to have misconceptions about how it would work. It's about more freedom, and leisure. Not less. And when freedom and leisure increase then entertainment wants also increase.
This was a movie a bit ahead of its time in that the superheroes were not really the driver of the film. For me, this was my favorite Snyder film. Another very underrated Snyder movie is Sucker Punch. I didn't get past the superficial female exploitation imagery at first, but once i understood the story and the multiple interpretations of the ending, i greatly appreciated the film--depressing it may be. Sort of like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
Jesus. I wonder if this film would've been better if Synder's first superhero outing was Man of Steel? Watchmen makes more sense in the late 2010s and 2020's. He also could've had more control to stay faithful to the source. I don't know. Maybe someone would've made it worse in the 2000's or Zack might fumble again.
@@TheNativeEngine literally the only changes Snyder made was to exchange the Squid for those "Dr Manhattan explosions". I liked the movie one more then i was little, but now i realized it also saved at least 30 min having to sett it all up to the point of reveal.
Else it's almost a frame-by-panel shot for shot.
The most faithful adaptation i know.
The characters are based on other DC characters that were originally from Charlton Comics and DC had plans in using those characters so Alan Moore had to create new characters that where similair. For example, Rorschach is based on The Question and Mr. A, Nite Owl 1 = Blue Beetle 1 Dan Garrett, Nite Owl 2 = Blue Beetle 2 Ted Kord, The Comedian = The Peacemaker, Silk Spectre = Nightshade, Dr. Manhattan = Captain Atom & Ozymandias = Thunderbolt.
I always thought that the Silk Spectre I and II were also partly based on Black Canary I and II.
@@jmhaces When Moore had to recreate new characters he took the inspiration from Black Canary & a character called Phantom Lady. Moore was apparently never interested in having Nightshade to begin with.
Having read a few Charlton comics in my day, there was another character named Killjoy that I theorized The Comedian may have been based on in his earlier persona, then in later years he took on the Peacemaker look, but I have little to base that on.
Grant Morrison actually did create the comic Moore wanted to do originally, only it was nowhere near as good as watchmen. It’s called Pax Americana.
@@johnLennon255Yep and I agree. The narrative was so weird that I couldn't follow, or maybe that was just me.
Favorite scene is the ending exchange between Dr. Manhattan and Rorschach. The acting, cinematography, and music are all very powerful.
Jackie Earle Haley should got a Nomination for Best Supporting Actor (Oscar) for his role as Rorschach. I mean, he played this part perfectly, can't imagine anybody portraying this character again, Jackie just nailed it down. One of my all time favourite performances and it still shocking how Academy overlooked his performance in this film, I understand that mostly he was masked through out the film but that shouldn't stop any Actor receiving a nomination just because you couldn't see his face the entire film.
Your not wrong. Anthony Hopkins got an Oscar for 16 minutes of screen time in Silence of the Lambs. Jackie Haley was perfect and sometimes I think he wasn't acting! He's just a hard Fxcker with some Style. Deep frying someone's face and Your in here with Me.. Brilliant film and Great reaction. Cheer's 🇬🇧
Watchmen was and I believe always will be the most realistic and best interpretation of Super Heroes in the real world
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The lady liked the one scene that most critics and Zack Snyder haters single out as a reason to dislike this Masterpiece. This movie doesn’t spoon feed you the plot, it masterfully sets all the pieces to the puzzle throughout the movie. I’m glad Zack left the octopi ending to the novel out. Just a Masterpiece, by the end of the movie I felt few good because I felt like I had solved a rubics cube.
Yeah, in essence, this is not a superhero movie, it is an old-fashioned political thriller with superheroes.
And, honestly, at the end it DOES spoon feed the plot. So anyone saying it doesn't make sense just aren't paying attention.
This is probably my all time favourite movie. The world is so dense with ideas yet still finds time to build its characters. I hadn't read a comic since I was a kid until I saw this, then after I started buying them again.
She's great at figuring stuff out kudos 👊 I mean she wasn't far off.
She always figures stuff out, very smart 👍🏼
One of my favourite little bits is in the hero montage at the beginning. Bruce Wayne's parents are saved, and so Batman never gets created...
I've always loved this movie. I love how it made the audience question "what type of person would decide to be a superhero"...much like the question, "what type of person would decid to be the President", a sociopath is a pretty good starting point.
I've never read the graphic novel, and I'm not much of a Snyder fan. Still, this movie is probably my favorite superhero movie ever.
If you liked the movie, I can't recommend the graphic novel enough.
Check the novel it’s way better
Rorschach was played by Jackie Earle Haley, who also played Freddie Kreuger in the reboot, and he looks strikingly like Rorschach from the comic.
Dr. Manhattan was played by Billy Crudup, which was an awesome choice. There are all sorts of subtle things he does with his eyes and face and the choice to use his normal voice instead of something filtered through a synthesizer was a smart one. It makes him seem even more alien and unnatural.
Even the child actor who played his younger self looks like young Kovacs...even JDM looks exactly like the comic book Comedian
@@AshrafAnam Jeffrey Dean Morgan was pissed when he got the script and didn't want to do this movie since he had been getting roles where he died or was already dead at the beginning of the story. Like in Weeds where he was dead and only present in a few flashbacks. His agent told him to keep reading and he fell in love with the role. Glad he did. He's awesome!
@@cuylshepherdton7437 Oh didn't know that. Yeah he's awesome and he was perfect for the role. I wish we could see him as Thomas Wayne Batman.
@@AshrafAnam That's Eli Snyder, Zack's son. He also played young Leonidas in "300", a kid soldier in "Sucker Punch" and a photographer in the short film "Snow Steam Iron".
@@Madbandit77 Oh that's dope. I thought only Autumn was actively involved in her father's movies.
I like Watchmen as a movie and I think I'm only able to like it because I hadn't read the comic when I first saw it. But I much prefer the comic and looking back at the movie having read it afterwards, I kinda see how it completely misses the point or chooses to focus on something else entirely. I love the comic book. It's one of the few genre defining and trailblazing works of art that has aged so well. So many classics, especially in literature, don't age particularly well. Even if you can see why they became classics, they don't hold up as well. The Watchmen graphic novel holds up 100%, imo and it changed superhero fiction and comic books forever.
Can you make a short that is long enough to include all the times she got confused watching this movie? That supercut would be hilarious!
I don't really understand why y'all are focusing on her confusion rather than her awesome calls of whats going on. Called antagonist, his sort of harnessing of power, called Ror
Dang, for being so bewildered, she sure put a lot of things together, didn't she? My boy didn't marry any fool!
Better yet, with all the times she called the twists before they happened
Rorschach had the entire plot, or most of it, in his journal. The implication there being that the peace wouldn't last long once the story got out.
So people believe David Icke and and the qanon crowd talking about conspiracies?
@@IAmHumongous It only take 1 charicmatic conspiracy theories maniac to inspire a lot of people right now
@@fifthtouch Why would the 80's be different? There wasn't Elvis sightings or Alien abductions back then?
@@IAmHumongous It's funny you mention conspiracies like that, considering that before Snowden and after the Patriot Act, people thought government spying was a conspiracy. There are plenty of conspiracies that have proven true.
Gulf of Tonkin Incident, for instance. Before you immediately dismiss something as a conspiracy theory, stop to think about why the conspiracy theory exists in the first place.
@@IAmHumongous There are actually a lot of conspiracies going on right now and there have been many throughout history. Technically speaking, the mafia and everything they have ever done is a conspiracy.
Criminal organizations are guilty of conspiracy all over the entire world. Right now. As we live and breathe.
"I will have to watch it multiple times to understand what the hell is happening"
Or you can read the Comic. (it's one of the best comics ever made)
"WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING?" Most common phrase/thought people have when watching a Zack Snyder movie!
The greatest superhero movie ever made. Based on the only graphic novel ever to be considered American literature. Well done, gang.
Considering the Watchmen characters are direct analogues of the Charlton comics heroes, essentially just elseworlds versions of them, I always found it hilarious that at the same time that Watchmen made The Question into Rorschach, the mainline Question became a much more stable, much more open minded and far more genuinely decent human being. Some seriously counter parallels there. Whereas, Nite Owl 2 and Blue Beetle 2 are essentially the exact same person.
12:50..."What do you see?" The answer is 'Butterfly!' guys, always 'Butterfly!' 😱
I always wondered if Adrian had actual superhuman powers? He threw The Comedian through a plate glass window, dodged multiple gunshots, wiped the floor with Nite Owl and Rorschach, caught a bullet with his hand, and took 6 or 7 haymakers from Dan to the face and barely flinched.
I think he was supposed to have trained his body to the peak of perfection but he was still basically human not superhuman
@@eddhardy1054 Basically Batman
@@edisonlaw934 Kinda although Night Owl fits the Batman archetype more closely.
@@eddhardy1054different aspects of Batman are basically split between Rorschach, Ozymandias, and Nite Owl.
His superpower is intelligence, but not a superhuman body. He's so smart and capable in his planning and actions that he looks superhuman, and i think the film did a great job of portraying that aspect of his character. So, for example, in the comics, he uses his intellect to come up with new training methods to make himself so physically superior to everyone else that it appears like he has super strength or speed, when in reality, he just has REALLY good technique and is really good at timing things well, like with the bullet catch. He's wearing kevlar gloves and he predicts the exact moment she'll pull the trigger based on her muscle twitches, which he establishes that he can read earlier in the film when he talks about Manhattan's miniscule facial expressions. All that allowed him to time his movements to "catch" the bullet perfectly. They talk about all this more in the graphic novel.
22:53
The uncut version had a pirate comic sub plot which this young guy was reading.
OMG i love you guys. I was JUST wondering when you would post part 2! coming home from work and seeing this was a gift.
The movie is probably the best adaptation of the graphic novel you could hope for. The way the movie changes the ending has its positives and negatives. Framing Dr. Manhattan for the attack in order to unite the world in peace against a common enemy does tie Dr. Manhattan to the story much better than the graphic novel does. It also reduces any confusion the audience might have if they had kept the bizarre squid creature. However, the squid monster plan is such a gut-punch feeling because you actually get to see the aftermath, resulting in page after page of dead bodies and blood filling the New York City streets. But in the movie, all you get is a couple seconds of a CGI crater where Midtown Manhattan used to be, so it loses a lot of the emotional weight.
I don't agree, because to me, the changed ending makes no sense, it was simply a change of convenience. If you put any thought into it, you can guarantee the USSR has been churning out propaganda against Dr. M for years. He would be viewed as entirely an American creation. There is no way the USSR would buy into him going rogue with no questions asked, there's no way they would forgive decades of anti-American sentiment specifically directed at Dr. M just because of what could have been a nuclear accident. The alien ending fits so much better, of course aliens would force both nations to work together no matter what. It's an extinction-level event. They also show this is possible with the genetic creation of that weird cat creature. Considering how difficult the movie is to follow for the average viewer, adding a thirty second scene to explain how the "Squid" could be possible is not out of the question.
A big part of how well the graphic comic gut-punches the reader is the pages and pages investing the reader into the characters that are then shown to be at the New York focal point. Especially the two Bernards.......
Maybe not for a reaction but your pleasure, there is a digital motion comic using the panels from the Watchmen graphic novel that shows how the original story went. It's very interesting.
I've seen it, its very good
The mask doesn't get explained in the movie.
In the comic series the fabric was created by Manhattan and it is made of black and white colors that never turn into grey. It was used in the dress of Kitty Genovese (Google her), who deeply disliked it. After her death Rorshac takes the fabric to make his "new face".
No super power.
3:55, no one knew, until he was unmasked while being arrested.
The 'in gratitude/ingratitude' shot is one of the most iconic scenes left out of the theatrical. Hollis' death is a huge moment and really important visual metaphor for the themes of the comic.
Old school info here, Roarschach actor was also the hero/villian in the 1970's Bad News Bears movie about a youth baseball team. I think you'd enjoy the movie.
Mr. Movies really brought the zingers for this one....solid!
Always loved this movie, the only scene that takes me out of the moment is when the one prisoner cuts off the arms of the other prisoner. There was no need to do that, there was plenty of room to cut an opening in another location.
Plenty of room, sure, but not enough time. Besides, that’s straight from the source material.
It was a matter of time. They knew the riot would only last so long. Flesh cuts faster than metal. Seriously, people should read the source. The graphic novel is twelve parts. Even the long special editions have to leave out some details.
My favorite character is definitely Ozymandias, he was the ultimate hero, ready to make any sacrifice necessary to save the world.
Except himself.
Well ok... It really depends on perspective. Some would call Ozymandias the ultimate super villain. If you are sold to the idea that the end justify the means, then sure he's a "hero", but how many people in our own history has used that has an excuse to do terrible things to people? Lots. And I can assure you, that peace won't last - it's in people's nature to destroy each other - and all the sacrificed people killed will have died for nothing in the end. Ozy has a God complex and doesn't really care for people that much besides himself, and being the saviour of the world - he's certainly not about to selflessly sacrifice himself to achieve that...
@@xen0bia This, the guy is ready to sacrifice millions upon millions but he is sure not about to commit that sacrifice himself.
@@kingofheavymetal @Alita Berserker #99
Sacrificing himself would be absolutely stupid and irrelevant towards his plot...he was the single mastermind behind the plan so he had to make sure it came to fruition. He was the one who convinced Dr. Manhattan to play along and after it's done and Dr Manhattan is gone he is the only one alive who can clean up any hypthetical divertions to ensure it wasn't for nothing.
Him being alive was absolutely essential for it to happen and when it was done what "sacrifice" would he have made by dying (or being punished any other way for that matter)? He literally couldn't sacrifice himself as his death would be meaningless.
Now that the world lives in peace the best thing he can do is ensure it stays that way...and maybe even find a way to supply the world with unlimited energy by figuring out a way to hide the fact it's Dr. Manhattan's power.
Also you gotta remember that in this lore they were literally facing an imminent nuclear holocaust and he found a way to avert it...nobody else was working towards it and he made it happen.
And he's not posing as the savior of the world, neither does it seem that all this came easy to him. Exactly three people alive know it was his doing and that's not because he told them, it's because they figured it out themselfes...it wasn't about a god complex or being the hero, it was about saving the world. So yeah I agree he was the ultimate hero
@@AgeofJP Meh, agree to disagree, in the books he is pretty pedantic about it and in my recollection what he did was just buying time nothing else.
"Like riding a bike..." One liners crack me up. Enjoy the appropriate blue junk topic. It is a real thing for this movie....
16:17 probably the best part imo. I love that sudden... i dont know what to call it. The little bit of the real Rorschach that was left in him. He stole the show
Yes. He was wrong when he said that his human part died with the little girl. He retained at least part of it.
I spent the whole video singing "Rorschach, baby Rorschach..."
I think the only scene in the director's cut we really needed was the Mason Hollis one.
I'm beyond disappointed that Jackie Earl Haley never really went anywhere after this. He played the new and inferior Freddy Krueger and a some asshole in the new Robocop who makes no sense but other than that he kind of disappeared. He's amazing in this. They should've found something for him to do as the biggest badass from this movie.
He's still working, being an Oscar nominee for his work in the film "Little Children".
Dr Manhatten is Superman+. He knows the future which superman doesn't.
For someone saying they were confused, you sure solved a lot of the mysteries.
Nice job.
More Trivia: In the graphic novel people kept referring to "RR" running for president. The reader is most likely meant to assume this referred to Ronald Reagan. However, at the end it is revealed that "RR" is Robert Redford, as mentioned at the end of the movie.....
This film is incredibly underrated..... The least of which dialogue wise and complexity of ideas
I feel older of not seeing this movie sooo long since I saw it back 2009 in my theaters... Wanna re-watch again. Also, I bought a comic book of it as well back in 2017. Totally worth the read despite my eyes get sore of reading words in a book too much. lol.
The original comic was going to use the Charlton Comics characters DC bought but they decided to withhold them for further stories.
Dr. Manhattan = Captain Atom.
Ozymandias = Thunderbolt.
Rorschach = The Question.
Nite-Owl 1 and 2= The Blue Beetle 1 and 2.
The Silk Spectre = Nightshade, The Phantom Lady, and mostly Black Canary.
The Comedian = Peacemaker.
He was in The Suicide Squad and has a show too.
My favourite characters are Nite Owl and Rorschach. I found out about this film when Desolation Row, the song at the end, was due to be released by My Chemical Romance which I stayed in the cinema to listen to when everyone had left. Also my first film to see by myself.
Haven't read the comic. But I like the movie ending a bit more as it is a bit more tragic. Really good film though, great casting. My fave would have to be Rorschach, he was interesting, and really intense. One of my favorite moments is in the prison with Rorschach, "I'm not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with me!"
Rorschach for sure is the coolest character in this movie!
First thing, Mrs. Movie. Let me hopefully make you feel better. I have the graphic novel. Read it MANY times. I think it was the fifth or sixth reading when I suddenly had an epiphany and said "Holy Carp! Rorschach is the redhead with the "The End is Nigh" sign!!!!!"
About Rorschach's "Face". In the graphic novel, when he is telling the doctor {I think that is the timing} about the first time he killed when he tracked down the guy who had killed and dismembered the little girl, he also explained how he got his "Face". In the Watchmen Universe, Kitty Genovese {the young woman who was murdered outside her apartment building while dozens of her neighbors ignored her screams} had ordered a dress made from a new high-tech material {probably designed by Adrian} that would shift patterns in response to body heat. Walter was actually a seamster and worked for the place making her dress. EDIT: She thought the dress was "ugly" and returned it. After her death, he took the material and formed it into his "Face".
Rorschach's line "I'm not locked up in here with you, you're locked up in here with me!" is one of the best lines in the entire novel.
Trivia: Jeffrey Dean Morgan read the first page of the script and originally turned down the part of the Comedian. He thought that was the entire part for him. Dying in the first scene. He was encouraged to read the whole script before he decided, and loved how big a part Comedian had in the film.
20:40...I think The Comedian might be named after a book by Graham Green but I could be totally wrong 🤔
The original comic was going to use the Charlton Comics characters DC bought but they decided to withhold them for further stories.
Dr. Manhattan = Captain Atom
Ozymandias = Thunderbolt
Rorschach = The Question
Nite-Owl 1 and 2= The Blue Beetle 1 and 2
The Silk Spectre = Nightshade, The Phantom Lady, and Black Canary
The Comedian = Peacemaker
He was in The Suicide Squad and has a show too.
I love how people that don't read comics are amazed when comics are so in depth to cover movies made from books they called Funny books
I have seen 0 people have any negative thoughts on comic books
I never understood why Dr. Manhattan couldn't have simply "disappeared" all the nuclear weapons on Earth and continued to do so if they tried to build new ones. Or even just get rid of all fissile elements on Earth.
Well, first of all he is not omnipotent, only very very powerful. For what we see, he can 'disassemble' anything only if that thing is in his visual field. He can't 'wish out of existence' an arbitrary number objects that he doesn't know where they are in the other side of the planet. It is also said in the movie that if the soviets launched a full-blown attack, Dr. Manhattan couldn't be able to stop all missiles.
So, he can't instaneously destroy every missile or every fissile atom in the earth. He could, of course, destroy the missiles one by one in a more methodic way, and nobody could stop him (figure out where the missile is, teleport, destroy, repeat). The problem with that is he is a part in the conflict. Destroying missiles in his country will make his country susceptible to attack, and destroying soviet missiles would be considered an act of war by the USA, precipitating the war.
Apart from Thanos, Ozymandias is one of the best comic book villains, cause he gets to execute his planes, and that line oooooooh!
"'Do that', Rorschach? I'm not a comic book villain. Do you seriously think I would explain my master stroke to you if there were even the slightest possibility you could affect the outcome? I triggered it 35 minutes ago."
That moment when Rorschach pours the hot grease on that inmate. The audience audibly grimaced in unison. I’ll never forget that.
My favorite Rorschach. Only one who stood for his principles. No matter what happens around him.
The Comedian was a stand-up guy. ;-)
The 3-1/2 hour cut is definitely the best version, and includes a really cool comic that's shown throughout
You know it's a great reaction when you hear a genuine "snort" (11:19). Nice work!
Cheers.
To be fair, there was a lot of source material content they crammed into what probably should have been a series instead of a movie. I'll say though, the director's cut was a good choice. The theatrical cut would have been missing a lot for someone who never read it.
Adrian talks American accent when he's around the public, but has a German accent when he's with the other heroes.
I'd prefer the Alien ending. Great recommendation. My favorite character is Nite Owl. I have been going by Night Owl in gaming for a decade? 20 year? I can't remember but my name translates to White Owl, and I stay up all night.
The tv show has a snippet of the alien , looks pretty cool. Might’ve worked .
18:00 that 1 million percent took up a fair ammount of time. & somewhere, there are mock ups to choose from. -jc
Mrs. Movies: [doesn’t understand exposition]
Also Mrs. Movies: [predicts the entire plot]
I dressed as Rorshack for Halloween once, fully decked out with the mask and all.
The mask had this heat reactive pattern that would be fairly invisible except when I exhaled. where it would appear to expand on a constant pattern on the mask, and then disappear again as the air around the pattern cooled leaving the constant pattern.
29:22 She’s exactly right and it’s true for 99% of movies. Director’s cuts and extended versions are pretty much never the best first viewing experience. Even when you look at universally-loved ones, like Fellowship of the Ring, it’s just fine to watch a briefer version for your first exposure. It’s easier to absorb.
5:25, oh, my god, that's brutal: he killed that little girls and fed her to those dogs.
Worse yet is Rorschach PROMISED he would return her to the parents.
Alan Moore who wrote the comic is some sort of genius and the book has so much in it. I always thought Ozy’s plan in the actual comic was more impactful and more likely to succeed because it has the added layer of shocking humanity that we aren’t alone. That quality of unknown horror from space would trigger our tribalism for survival. I understand why they went this route in the movie, as it needs to be sold less and the movie was already packed trying to fit the massive comic in, but I think it’d be easier for people to get complacent again with Manhattan as a threat. I can be a harsh judge but I was really impressed by the HBO series. It’s head and shoulders above the quality of LOST so it hurts to compare to that imo.
Ahead of its time: "What happened to the American Dream?"
Rorschach's mask is explained in the comic. It's made from an experimental fabric that he stole from his job. Don't know why they didn't include it in the movie. It's a question that everyone has if they only watched the film.
I always just assumed, "it's like that cause super hero stuff" like technology someone just invented. In a world where a blue man can be as tall as a building and disintegrate people with a thought, how his masked worked was prolly the least of the questions I had 😂
Rorschach was basically early Batman before they came out with the Comics Code Authority said good guys can't kill the bad guys anymore.
Watching her figure it out is so entertaining. Idk why. But it’s kinda like watching your kid figure out how to ride a bike. And when they do you feel happy for them.
"I like how they play the same song we do" 😂 Mr. Movie's got jokes. Dayum, Mrs. Movie would have at least an 8 or 9 perception if she were a Fallout character, she practically called every frame of this complex movie.
Glad you enjoyed it. It's one of my favorite movies and for me, worth multiple theatre trips. It is a deep story that deserves several viewings. The HBO version that continues from the graphic novel is far better than anyone could've hoped for. Truly excellent. And Ozymandius is my favorite. He kind of has a good point.
The HBO series does an amazing job at worldbuilding, especially with the extra materials on the official website. It's extremely true to the graphic novel, and it really feels like a logical progression of the alt history. Jeremy Irons is perfect as Ozymandias. Great soundtrack by Trent Reznor, too.
O yes. The view over Lower Manhattan is something to behold.
I still enjoy this reaction. So, the interpretation that I like the most is that Alan Moore was criticizing both the right and the left of politics. The right for their attempts to legislate what is or is not acceptable. The left for using evil and deception to bring about what they believe is the "greater good." Ozymandias was doing just that -- vast evil to bring about what he felt was an even more vast "greater good."
Rorschach, on the other hand, refused to compromise even in the face of Armageddon. His view -- after he had seen and experienced in life -- was that he would rather see the world come to an end than to overlook evil and deception from any side. However, by doing it behind everyone's back, Ozymandias was able to use logic design (i.e., the best possible path forward) in order to convince Doctor Manhattan.
Rorschach would not accept any good that was based upon a lie. So, Rorschach -- tired of the world as he was of that messed up world and the possibility of living a lie -- caused him to plead to Manhattan for death. Manhattan knew that it was a mercy for Rorschach and the only possible way to prevent this "greater good" from materializing. So, he dematerialized Rorschach.
Dr. Manhattan may be one of the most powerful beings to have ever existed but Rorschach is my absolute favorite.
The Comedian was based on Peacemaker....yeah, the Suicide Squad character
Um, Actually...the alien squids were a trick: Ozymandias had scientists genetically engineer monstrous horrific entities, and had them teleported to the city locales, and their mergence with local matter was the cause of the explosions (as their arrival caused atomic fusion, the particles attempting to occupy the same space). The only hint we get of this in the film is when Dan and Ms. Jupiter are eating at the Gunga Diner, and one of the other customers orders the six-legged chicken -- a product of Veidt International's genetic agricultural research.
@31:06 Rorschach is actually based on a lesser known DC character called The Question. If you look him up on Google you'll see the resemblance immediately.
He's still based on Batman in some ways too.
@@gr8gmr No that would be Night Owl... You know the guy dressed in a cape with a bunch of gadgets and a flying ship?
@@gr8gmr Batman isn't the only detective in the DCU...
@Existential_Carousel Rorschach was created as how an archetypal Batman character would be in real life. So yeah, Batman is still one of the inspirations behind Rorschach creation.
@@gr8gmr They're all realistic versions of super heros... That's the point... Can you find any quotes or info to support that?... Are you Alan Moore? Cuz all i'm seeing is he's based on The Question...
The DC counterpart of Rorschach is a character called The Question.
The amazing thing about Rorschach is, that even though I fundamentally disagree with every single of his political views - basically having the exact opposite ideology of what he believes and fights for; he's still my favorite character. In part because he's just such a badass, but mostly because of his sheer indominable willpower. He has no special powers, no gadgets, he's just unstoppable because he refuses to go down.
this might feel random but I recommend "The Craft"
Fav fight: hmm... the prison jail cell. I just love the style in this movie. It never felt too over the top, dark, mostly realistic or semi-believable realism. The style sells the realism in this movie imo you just want to believe what you are seeing is physically possible. Good performances, strong characters (all of the main ones) i think its one of the best superhero movies ever
Just found this channel. Guy has some quick wit funnies. Love it. Lol
my favorite character is Rorschach, the prison fights of Rorschach vs the 3 criminals is one of my favorites.
Same...I actually probably creepily agree with most of his views
@@AshrafAnam Him and the Comedian. Both are very cynical, realistic individuals.
@@cuylshepherdton7437 Umm, the Comedian, nah! I mean yeah he makes sense sometimes but the things he did doesn't justify.
Mr. Movies didn't quite explain the graphic novel plot correctly. Ozymandias didn't open a portal to another dimension; he hired scientists, artists, and other specialists to create a gigantic alien squid-like creature that would die upon being teleported to a research facility that focused on dimensional experimentation in the heart of New York City, the resultant explosion killing six million people and causing psychic trauma to millions more, thus tricking world leaders into uniting against an apparent attack from another dimension. Veidt killed everyone who had any part in his conspiracy, and this was the "joke" that The Comedian discovered, necessitating his death at the outset of the story.
I hope Mrs. Movies reads the graphic novel, especially if they decide to react to the Watchmen HBO series. It's the only way the show will make any sense to her. (And it's a hell of a good read.)
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This is a link to the whole comic book series in 14 parts. I like how it depicts super-heroes as having a particular personality, it takes a different sort of ego to put on a costume to fight real-life gunmen, thieves, etc.
Rorschach was my favorite character too, he was out to solve the mystery and did it. Yes his methods are brutal but he got results. Ozymandias had to get Jon out of the way, separate him from his last tie to Earth, his girlfriend. His motive was good but the cost was too high. I loved the book, read it many times.
The other super-hero team they need to film is The Authority. The group figured out that you don't have to keep fighting the same old villains if you kill them. One and done. Then they go the next step...
Rorschach has the most badass line in this or any other film when he is in prison.....also @Mrs stop trying to use logic and just ''feel it'' you'll dig it the most.
Meh, I think that's the fun, for her: Trying to jam her brain into the cracks, and lever it apart.
My favorite watchmen are Nite Owl 2 and Dr Manhattan. I love this movie so much.
Rorschach has come a long way from the Bad News Bears to superhero
I wonder if Rorschach and Dexter would have been friends. I like to think so.
It's not portrayed here but in the comics they make a point that when he's captured he stinks. Like he lives in that costume constantly.
She's good. I mean, Veidt's plan is not that genius and in the comics is even less so, but it's revealed very late in the plot. She figured it out even before they visited Pyramid Transnational. Pretty cool. 🤙