Perception vs. Reality: Young Atheist Challenges Cliffe!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ค. 2024
- Cliffe Knechtle responds to a question about God's existence. He argues that even though the Atheist does not believe in the Existence of God, God still exists. The existence of God is irrespective of your individual Perception.
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If you have 10 numbered coins in your pocket, it's obviously extremely unlikely to pull them out 1 to 10, given enough attempts, it will happen.
What is NEVER going to happen is that you pull out a dragon from a pocket with 10 coins in it.
Alright with the same logic, if there is no coin in your pocket what is NEVER going to happen is for you to pull out a coin.
@@screaminpainNice one.
@oldmanjoe6808: “I'm going through life without answers to my most sought after questions.”
And what are these most sought-after questions you have?
“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.” Philip K. Dick
Reality doesn't care about perception, reality is what it is.
But that deosn't prove his point about god's existence and the burden of the proof is still in the hands of the believers.
Even if we agree on the existence of a deist god, it doesn't prove the existence of a thiest god and nothing, I said, NOTHING, can be logically used to link those two gods except fallacies.
I observe that both atheists and religious fanatics are not humble. They think their perceive is Real. I'm sure both make huge mistakes. God exist but no one could have monopol on truth, if God not make man wise With full man of Holy Spirit. You need to believe and read the Bible. You need to open your heart on someone who is much above us. In my life I sometimes was very upset on God, because I though if such ugly protestant fanatics want to prove that God exist and they spread so much hate and division among people I don't want to such God ever exist. And now I'm sure that God is pure Love, compassion and Good. I'm roman catholic. If you want you can join to one christian church, but be carefull, there is a lot of wicked people who want change the word of God to serve their desires. Anglicanism and lutheranism were such denominations. You can read history of Henry the viii and Martin luther, (not the luther King, who probably was a man of God).
Very wise. Last thursday I had expierience thatcprove that Jesus and Holy Spirit are Real. It is much easier to believe in God the Father than in Jesus and Holy Spirit, but Now I'm almost sure that Holy Trinity exist.
man never brought inorganic matter together to create life, wish cliffe would've known that here
He does call it iffy and said it sounds like bunk.
He basically admitted that life originally came from non-life. Also, there are no moral absolutes. Show me one.
@@goranmilic442 Go breathe life into mud then. Tell us how that works out for ya. Film it
@@TheConstitutionalOathkeeper You don't know that formation of life from non-life lasted much longer than our lifespan?
@@goranmilic442how? And there are moral absolutes because of God. To murder, to rape, pedofilia, theft, racism- all bad. If there is no God then it is all relative and there wouldn’t be any moral absolutes.
All the questions you have about life and the universe can also be directed at the concept of god as well. Where did god come from? There's no indication that magic is a thing yet that's the mechanism that "god" operates by. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and there's none for the existence of any gods.
Intelligent design. Don’t underestimate how many iterations it likely took to get even the beginnings of life on earth through evolution. Evolution doesn’t care how long it takes, its got all the time in the universe to get it wrong before it finally makes a micro step forward.
1. This does not explain that there is nothing instead of something. We know that time had a beginning and therefore evolution too. Question: What happened to start evolution?
2. My next question is: How can evolution do something wrong? How do you know that God is not directing evolution and that God chooses what evolution should do?
3. Let's assume that evolution can do things wrong. Question: Doesn't this mean that there is something beyond evolution that limits it?
@@mattearl8213 1. I sleep fine at night not knowing what happened before this universe came into existence. It has no impact on how I choose to spend my time. When the first adaption spontaneously occurred, as things do in nature, that iteration had a slightly higher chance of survival and therefore become the norm until the next adaption.
2. I assess there is as much evidence that Zeus is behind evolution than the christian god is behind it, I do leave space for this to be incorrect however I have not yet seen evidence that god has guided evolution.
3. This question I am not sure I understand but evolution is not an entity it is a process therefore it cannot inherently do something wrong. Evolution has no skin in the game, it would occur without any guiding moral hand, if the adaption suits the environment and increases the chances of survival and reproduction then it will win out, if not that iteration will die off until the next adaption.
Why would God fool around with evolution when He can create ? Man is finite , man has a beginning and end therefore his knowledge is limited. God is infinite knowledge, He has no beginning or ending, therefore man will never figure out God. But that’s okay because God doesn’t require you to know how He created universe, just have faith that He did.Now if you choose not to exercise faith in God , then that’s your little red wagon and you are going to have to pull it. God’s not going to pull it for you and neither will anyone else, you will have to pull it for yourself.
@@JohnRobert-xp3ni 1. I didn't ask you whether you sleep well, but how the evolution began. In nature, we know that nothing acts spontaneously, but everything that has an effect has a cause. What is the cause of evolution?
2. If you have a problem with names like Zeus, the Christian God, let's call him the Observator as the anthropic principle calls it.
@@JohnRobert-xp3ni Evolution is a theory and it hasn’t been proven to be anything more than a theory. Just because you found some old bones in the ground doesn’t debunk God because God created the entire universe, earth, you, me and those old dried up bones you found in the ground. Evolution is a quagmire designed to keep you from acknowledging God , it’s stomp Satan. Evolution gives you the false sense of not needing God, again it’s stomp down Satan. You feel your intelligence is on the same level as God’s righteousness, also stomp down Satan.
If no Living God exists, then there is no Judgment Day for me. If the Living God does exist, could it possibly be I've been passed by of Him? Left on a doorstep like an unwanted child? My tomorrow will be like yesterday... I'm going through life without answers to my most sought after questions. I never thought of that, that I might be unwanted by God, a stranger not taken in by Him. The arrogance of my own pride and illusions of my own self-worth cloud my thinking and prevent me of exploring to change my ways.
Hebrews 13:5
"[…] God has said, 'Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.'"
@@BlueTr0n My post was intended to wake up atheists... I know what troubles them, so I sounded like one of them on purpose to expose the daily darkness they live in. 1Cor.9:19-23. You didn't discern that. Flooding atheists with Bible verses is meaningless to them.
I, for one, have been redeemed decades ago.
@@oldmanjoe6808 There is no need to get hostile toward someone offering out a bible verse that can hardly be labeled as flooding. Also, you have no idea if a bible verse will be meaningless to an atheist because not all people are the same and God can help people in ways you can't even comprehend. As for your last statement of you saying that you were redeemed decades ago, it was completely unnecessary and I can only pray that it's true, because it sounded like it was coming from arrogance rather than love and being actually thankful that Jesus has forgiven you.
@@blank_kami3618 You apparently condone atheism by making excuses for them by going out of your way to attack me personally. That disqualifies you from lecturing me on spiritual manners. You have very touchy feelings to discern my comment as an attack.
@oldmanjoe6808: “I'm going through life without answers to my most sought after questions.”
And what are these most sought-after questions you have?
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Cliff's intelligent mind is the most stupid deity of all imaginary deities. He did not even understand the mechanics of weather that he allegedly created.
It doesn't matter what scientific knowledge is presented to cliff that clearly and factually disproves what he believes, he still refuses to believe it !
This is pure unadulterated atheistic cope😂😂😂. You are mad that cliff had a rational, legitimate response for e-v-e-r-y objection this guy brought. Stop denying Truth and logic
In the beginning hydrogen created the heavens and the earth.
I wonder how hydrogen accomplished that 🤔
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Yeah well it doesn't mean he doesn't either so its just a matter of opinion. This is why both sides are laughable.
I very much wish for you to elaborate. I'm genuinely interested in what you have to say.
@@dodget3 I don't think you are. You just want to argue with someone. But I will say that the arguments for and against the existence of God are all arguments from ignorance. I don't know x therefore y. How one perceives reality doesn't prove either way if God exists. That was five minutes I'll never get back. I'm sure you are well aware of the arguments for the existence of God but I can already tell you aren't interested in those. Nonetheless the arguments against don't prove anything either. Basically the arguments are bad things happen and that's not fair. It still doesn't prove God doesn't exist. At best it might be explaining why you don't believe he does. I won't make it any longer. You're response will be twice as long I'm sure since you all love to babble and insult each other so much so I'll be expecting that as well.
@@PaulHosey no you're wrong lol. Not about your conclusion on how dumb the two sides of the argument are, just about my sincerity. 😅 I happen to agree with your position.
@@PaulHosey it's completely useless to say definitively one way or another, on the other hand it's completely reasonable to say that the evidence doesn't support the claims being made, by any objective standard.
@@dodget3 yeah well that's irrelevant when theists and atheists make arguments attempting to prove their position. So ordinarily theists may say they have faith and atheists say they don't. But they both sound hilarious when they make these "proofs" arguments.
Who actually listens to this guy, what a dull Moran , evidence you haven't got any
Cliffe needs to repeat high school. Assertions and fallacies.
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I guess you don’t understand, watch it again and again until you get it
This world is far away from being a divine design:
Animal suffering and struggle for survive every single day.
Of course thats not because of human sin:
Animals existed millions of years before humans came up.
=> If they are created by the christian god, then this god made them suffer, not for human "sin" but for the reason that he thoughts its "good" like that.
Good god? Bad god?
@@user-vm5yk2js6w I'm sorry but how arrogant does one have to be to think that because it's not their way of designing things than it cannot be the right way
@@ededwards7226 Is suffering of animals God's kindness or God's cruelty?
@@goranmilic442 it could be kindness or it could be cruelty. Or it could be the result of a broken world which we created. But I'm not gonna sit here and say "it's a poor design" just because I think I could have done better
@@ededwards7226 So you admit it could be cruelty. And it's underestimating supposedly all-powerful being that this world is best possible. Also, we couldn't break the world that contained suffering millions of years before we existed.
@@goranmilic442 yes it could be cruelty, that doesn't mean it is cruelty. You think you know better than an all knowing God? The world is not millions of years old. Even atheist scientist will admit they don't know. So if we are discussing God your evolution is irrelevant to this argument
Poor kid couldn't handle that L
Cliffe, your own bible shows that morality is not absolute so why claim it?
Did you forget about the OT and your god condoning owning people and gr4p3?
So if your god is real he can't be the standard of absolute morality and not be all good and just.
And even the claim of getting into heaven by repenting and worship shows your god doesn't care about justice and morality, only about worship.
So you better come up with new arguments.
awww poor baby! And the fact you are purposely misconstruing slavery back then (a job/debt to be paid) to how the Irish and whites were treated by Muslims and Africans is hilarious to me. My God? OUR Father. A Father who destroyed civilizations because they were doing 10x worse what the US is currently doing, but with no rules. You clearly haven't read the Bible, have you?
Kak
Very intresting take. Do you have in reference where you are getting those verses from ? Because slavery is actually condemned in the Bible as well as “Gr4p3”.
@@fidert you can start with Leviticus 25:44-46 and Exodus 21:7 concerning 3nslavement.
You can also use that last verse concerning SA, combined with Numbers 31:17-18 and Deuteronomy 21:11-14.
Consent wasn't a thing and the acts they viewed as SA were property crimes and not about the victim.
But please let me know which verse explicitly condems owning people.
So because it's not your morality it's not moral? But your morality is subjective, so to compare that to an absolute morality means your creating an absolute moral meaning your morality cannot be subjective