Just to make it clear: the very first run of X-Plane after installing the required scenery packages is needed to manually adjust the scenery_packs.ini file as to have the correct priorities during subsequent loadings. This shall be done only ONCE. Then the normal procedure is: 1) RUN the autoortho program; 2) RUN X-Plane.
@@crisk73 no need sir, i deleted all files again and XP12 is in old shape again,i was not able to start the XP even once, but again thanks for your help
I got this thing running, and it's really nice. Just one suggestion for those without a huge machine. If you don't want to have a surprise freezing or low FPS during landing, go to your destination airport and fly a quick approach a few miles away from the runway(s) with a Cessna (or whatever plane) in order to cache the area around the destination. that way, when you do your actual flight, you already have cached the images.
@@ryan1111111555555555 I mean you literally just have to start the flight at the airport and you can change location, no need to even go flying or see anything
Good to know. Looks like xp is getting better. I was exclusively on xp10 then xp11 and had terabytes of ortho4xp tiles downloaded covering maybe 70% of the world but when I upgraded my rig I somehow managed to "break" my drives and lost all the ortho but since pmdg released the 737 and Fenix the A320 I finally decided to run fs2020. I have more than 60 xp aircraft, some I had barely flown, so if this ortho thing works, I might give xp another go. My only issue with xp10 and 11 that doesn't seem to have been fixed in xp12 (looking at youtube videos) is the AA. When you are on the ground, lines are jagged and as soon as the engines are on the lines on the ground start moving like a line of tiny ants. It drove me crazy. I don't think they fixed that.
Not yet. Jagged lines are still there. I fly XP exclusively in VR so to me they are less impacting. With this autoortho thing I got rid of 500GB of orthos only for Europe, like having a brand new ssd! Thanks for watching.
"To have all the scenery streamed in X-Plane just the way MSFS does but less complicated." - It's way more complicated LOL! But this is a nice feature for X-Plane users who have had to suffer for years. Still the autogen is still stock and the trees are awful but that can be improved with the Global Forests add-on. It's all a bit naff though isn't it compared to MSFS.
Well... to me this approach is simpler compared to the AI generated scenery of MSFS and all the technology existing behind, of course that is ready for use while this for XP needs some tweaking. My piece of advice is to use X-World by Simheaven to have a better effect compared to the default and boring autogen.
When AutoOrtho gains popularity and more users start using it, then there might be problems. When thousands of users starting to flood the servers they will take action.
The Server Load is on the Map Tile Provider so mostly Bing. I dont think a couple of thousands using this Plugin makes any difference in their server load
Looks great. Very unstable for me though as I get CTDs diring flights. Long periods of pauses and the process is always reporting errors of time outs. I've had no time to investigate these yet though. Looks like it could be worth it though.
Looks like that a strong and recent cpu is needed to convert downloaded imagery on the fly. I have recently changed my cpu and I don't have big pauses or ctds.
Not competing - it's a winner for sure. As a pilot for 15 years, I can tell that only XP12 flight dynamics are realistic, only Xp12 weather will act upon the aircraft correctly, ground behavior, and real study level models as Cl650. Msfs is an arcadish game for x-box, I still keep it though)
Idc If the flight dynamics are realistic I only care about the feeling of the sim, also not to mention the great mods and scenery that comes with just downloading MSFS, If your sim Is In XBOX doesn't mean Its arcade like sim, Thats an old mantality
@@lquid737 Not sure it‘s old mentality if that sim offers bulit-in races and landing-competitions with points and skips important aviation-stuff like the simulation of inertia, missing impact of storms/cumulus clouds on your flight dynamics and the simulation of temperature-density or failures etc. And XBox-users are also oriented arcade-gaming. MSFS‘ main-audience. For someone wanting to be introduced in aviation, MSFS is great, don‘t understand me wrong. Exactly like flying aircrafts in GTAV can be „fun“. But it‘s simply more gamey and XP is closer to a sim for advanced „simmers“ or real pilots in my opinion because it offers more that matters when flying.
I am someone who takes aviation seriously yet I still prefer msfs, I don't get close to these landing challenges and all of that because in my opinion they made it to test the capability of the sim for new users, If microsoft had X-Plane It will prob have the same effect of having landing challenges and fundamental stuff but that too will not make It a game like@@frankbyte
Autoortho looks and works great, but I found it was just impossible to use with the mesh it need to use. Frankfurt and Mexico City are two of the airports I can think where the runways were more more of a roller-coaster than runways. This was about a couple Months ago but I doubt it got improved, stock mesh was far less exaggerated, but when Autoortho worked, it looked stunning
What do you mean? Authoortho has got Ortho4XP pre-generated meshes using viewfinderpanoramas.org DEM data, so a lot more precise than stock XP mesh. With last 0.0.51 version of Europe there's an attempt to globally fix aprons bumpiness which may occur when apron elevations data are poor. This might flatten some aprons a bit too much, but better than having a roller coaster.
@@crisk73 I shall try the updated version, but beforehand it was actually more exaggerated than stock mesh. I hope this version does help then as before it was unusable in places!
@@crisk73 the problem is that whoever made the .dsf files for autoortho had his ortho4xp seriously misconfigured (or used 1.20). its far worse than what ortho4xp normally produces.
@@dorian4219 you can check the ortho4xp global config file in the GitHub page and compare it with yours to find out the main differences. I think he uses O4XP 1.30.
@@CyberSystemOverload hi it's called 3jfps, it's a plugin allowing to calibrate your fps based on available resources so tuning LOD and other impacting parameters so as to keep fps at the targeted value. You can find it on the .Org Site.
Thanks for your explanations. With Ortho4XP you had to generate a mesh first. With AutoOrtho, which mesh will be used or where does it come from? Will it use default XP12 mesh?
Hi, have installed as per your instructions all went well no problems, thanks for video. Question I have downloaded the Europe pack and hit the RUN button as at 4.37 in the video, my pc has now been running for 18 hours and is still processing the data ---- How long should this process take ?
Hi upon clicking the RUN button no processing should take place but the program should be ready to download and convert orthos when required by your plane position. That wait of 18 hours is weird to me. You just let the cmd window in the background and run XPlane normally.
Hi Autoortho is for terrain textures. If you want better overlay objects and buildings you need also to install Simheaven X-World America. Google for it. Installation is simple.
Just installed XP12 on 2 new build computers, along with AutoOrtho and Dokan, etc... when I run XP12, and then go into the scenery pack file, there is NOT all those things listed there... nothing to copy and paste, what exists is only the top half of what you show. I tried it a second time but went to one of the areas listed on this list (KJFK)- still nothing extra in the scenery pack.ini file. This has happened on both machines. I can't tell if autoortho is running or not! I 1000 Version SCENERY SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LFMN Nice Cote d Azur X/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LPFR Faro/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Airports - KBTV Burlington/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Berlin and Frankfurt/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Budapest/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Chicago/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Dubai/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Las Vegas/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - London/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Los Angeles/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - New York/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Paris/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Portland/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Rio De Janeiro/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Saint Louis/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - San Francisco/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Sydney/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Washington DC/ SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/z_autoortho/ SCENERY_PACK *GLOBAL_AIRPORTS*
I cannot praise this 'gift' to the xplane community enough, the only reason I've flirted with MSFS was the real landscape. This is working (0.7.1) pretty flawlessly on X-Plane 11 and 12 exactly as MSFS does. dating my flightsimming back to FS 5.1 when we dreamed of 'just a few more polygons' I gan truly say this combined with SimHeaven is breathtakingly beautiful. My score 12 out of 10!😊😊😊
Trying to download south America and getting the ( Error-File is not a zip file with Zipfile } Seen anything like that before??? Europe, Africa, Australia have downloaded without problems like south America is having
Grazie Cris, ho scoperto ora il tuo video e proverò ad usare questa mod. Ho una domanda, come si modifica la world perception? gli abitacoli sono minuscoli... in msfs2020 lo faccio dal sim o con OpXrtk ma l'ultima versione non funziona con Xp12.....
No per me no, almeno non ho questa sensazione, anzi mi sembrano ben proporzionati. Il problema semmai è la chiarezza. Per leggere bene la strumentazione ci sono due metodi: 1) se usi Meta (Oculus) Link devi applicare una risoluzione di 1,1x - 1,2x; 2) Se usi Virtual Desktop il preset grafico deve essere almeno HIGH.
Question: Following the video, When I click on the autoortho application file I am not able to scroll down or access the top of the tab. This prevents me from configuring and placing the Otho scenery into my x plane custom scenery folder. Is that happening for anyone else, any suggestions please! I would love to experience the orthophoto on my game!!
No error. Just completely limited to what I can access on that tab. I even downloaded an older version but same thing. I just bought this computer this week. And ironically this happen on my old computer when I downloaded orth4xp attempting to do it the long way. . The page limited my access and as a result I was unable to follow further instructions.
Building as well as trees are on the y*overlays folder. Did you put it in the correct position in the ini file? It should be just above the z_ folders.
@@crisk73 Going go to be nice to free up ortho downloads for the US that take up a lot of storage and use this for the foreseeable future. Seeing a lot of people use this recently.
Looks like he's clueless as to what he's saying. Did you notice the process you have to go through in order to have the scenery set up? Other than the aircrafts dynamics and all, I wouldn't hold my breath, MSFS is by far superior and way ahead in leaps and bounds. And regarding the aircrafts system and dynamics, they will get there.
Sorry maybe I mispelled it, I was meaning that this scenery generation is less "complex" than that achieved by MSFS which makes use of AI and a whole lot of expensive technology. Well.. the effect may not be as convincing as in MSFS but anyway it stands as a good compromise for having ortho scenery streamed in XP with little effort. That's it.
@@crisk73 tried this, but get following answer: C:\>mklink /j C:\Users\peter\.autoortho-data\downloads X:\downloads Cannot create a file when that file already exists. I must be doing something wrong. My C: is too full already. I am using X: for all the scenery files and downloads.
installed and now my XP12 is crashing, any idea why ..... error ,could not locate image file for terrain, i follwed your steps but now my XP12 is only crashing
Have you got autoortho running in the background before launching a new flight in XP? You should have the cmd window open. If aa is not running XP crashes due to not having the symlinks to the scenery in place.
@@crisk73 thank you responding so fast , i have the AA runnning and it executes the tool but when starting the XP12 then it loads sofar so good but then crushes with the following error massage.....i could send u a screenshot but cannot paste here in YT
I followed your instructions. After running X-Plane the first time I went into my Scenery-Packs.INI file but did not see any new SCENERY PACKS to reorder.
I am having a problem when I open the autoortho_win it says the code execution cannot proceed because python310.dll was not found. I need help with this
Autoortho _win.exe is an autoextracting executable having its own python310.dll which is put in a temporary folder. Are you sure you're clicking on the .exe? Did you unzip it out of the archive before launching?
@@crisk73 I solve that problem now I have another problem. When I downloaded Asia it shows done and overlay installed on the prompt thing but then it still shows working on AutoOrtho Setup all the Asia files were downloaded like the 00 01 thingy but I don’t have ortho overlay Update: I am really dumb It was still cleaning sorry.
This is what I am getting everytime I tried to load into a flight. "Error, could not locate image file for terrain Custom Scenery/z_asi_32/terrain/25952_58016_BI16_sea_overlay.ter Custom Scenery/z_asi_32/terrain/ ../textures/25952_58016_BI16.dds" Dokan is installed but in the .log it says Dokan was not found. Also, when I try running the app, it closes down immediately. Any help?
In the log you should have the line: INFO:winsetup:Dokan found at C:\Windows\system32\dokanfuse2.dll else I think it can't work correctly or at all. Try to reinstall Dokan with Admin permission. Maybe it failed to get installed.
@@crisk73 So, I was playing around with the installation process with Dokan .exe and I came to figure out that it does not create a folder on my C: drive. I tried customizing a folder on my other drive and installed Dokan and nothing was put into that folder. Is this why my auto-ortho is not working and is this why it says that it doesn't detect Dokan on my system?
Hi, i got big problem with airports. There’re no terminals. I’ve downloaded everything. Files are good and scenery packs folder is also looking good. I don’t know what i did wrong. I can send you custom scenery file if you want. Thank you❤
You can change only the minimum ZL which is 12 by default. Max is 18. Open with a text editor che autoortho config file. Not advisable to rise the min ZL though.
I have spent hours & hours of grief with Ortho4XP11. The problem is this 79 yr old grounded pilot, but your XP12_ version gives me new hope. Anywzy "AutoOrtho" is backward compatible?? (My stuff is OLD like me. # BTW or me XP handles so much better than that other simulator (back in the box). Dave CYEL
The download folder is used only to unzip the downloaded scenery packages and then it gets emptied after the installation process has finished. You can't change its location but you can create a symlink to another drive so as to make the program think it's still C: So open a cmd window and type: mklink /j C:\Users\\.autoortho-data\downloads D:\downloads where D is another free drive, put the exact letter of your drive.
The whole thing has completely crashed my X Plane 12. Followed every step to a tee. Correction: if I run this in the background, then load a flight on XP 12, it locks up FOREVER. If I DON'T run this and try a flight with XP 12, it crashed. Either way, it's fried.
@@datimofrosel5194 I have an I7 just like yours, and it works for me. Maybe you should set the expectations lower and put a lower number or real-world objects. I tried on South America, not very dense areas, just to te clear
Yes you can. Be sure to have in O4XP the same general config you find in the AA GitHub and use your patches with O4XP. When done overwrite the patched .dsf in Custom Scenery.
I own both msfs and xplane 11/12. To me, even though the xplane scenery is rather crude, it still looks more realistic in the toned down pallet and overall look. When flying a real aircraft you really don't sit there admiring every detail or tree, building etc. For VFR, lakes, roads, rivers, landmarks are important. Anything above 5000ft become irrelevant. Msfs is very 'cartoon'ish' in my opinion. And a total PITA to manage regards reliability, 'mandatory' updates (that often trash your installation). Every time I run msfs I have my fingers crossed that it will indeed load and run.
Try the new SU14 of MSFS, they have adjusted colors and tones, it's a good improvement to me. Anyway it's true that FS is beautiful but a bit cartoonish.
@@crisk73 That's why I'm here. The latest MSFS update trashed my installation then requested a 'mandatory' update of over 130GB. I left it downloading overnight, and it was stuck at 24%. I'm sure it's nice, but life is to short to put up with this BS. None of these issues with Xplane. I want a refund from ASOBO. I have now deleted it and will never return. Good luck with MSFS 2024. You are going to need it.
Thanks to this , i just brought xplane 12 yesterday but I guess I should buy ms2020 basic, Xplane 12 doesn't have check list inside game, need to download this kind of scenery, I guess ms 2020 done better, graphic is stunning with plenty of optiong to play with graphics settings. Too bad, I love xplane 11 vs fsx because of the adon , but now ms2020 i think is the winner here
@@crisk73 thanks, I should just brought the ms2020 premium deluxed in the first place. Its a little expensive though, its around 100$ on steam in my country,
If you decide to step into the premium deluxe later it will be much more expensive. The premium deluxe has got the 787, the 172 classic that are worth the extra price.
For now, X-plane 12 is not ready as it should be, and X-plane 11, for now, is the choice for many home pilots. MSFS, when someone has a powerful GPU and CPU, has better visuals and that's a fact. Having all 3 I prefer MSFS and my second choice is X-plane 11!
I don't understand why X-Plane fans try so hard to make it look like MSFS. X-Plane has its strengths and weaknesses, it's never gonna be MSFS though, for a lot of different reasons.
NOT a game changer. This looks pretty bad. Doesn't mesh with the sim at all. Also when you zoom in (low altitude flying), it looks like a wash, terrible.
@@crisk73 I disagree. The Xplane's current scenery uses various ZL and around the airport it looks quite realistic with crisp details. You install this and you get a mess everywhere. Also, if you think back to XP9 and photo-realistic cockpit 2D panels and how bad they looked in the sim, this is the same thing pretty much for me, total immersion breaker.
@@activex7327 this is right for low level flights but at altitude for me ortho is better. Msfs does both well because it uses texture synthesis as soon as you approach ground level.
@@crisk73 That's fine but for me it just doesn't work even from high altitude because the tiles are not color corrected and therefore stand out too much from the ambient lighting. In real life the color of the surroundings is the product of Sun/ambient light. That's why this auto ortho stick out like a sore thumb, break all realism and makes it look like a video game.
The biggest advantage is that the game loads as quickly as without the ortho add-on. With AutoOrtho approx. 3 min. 🤭 th-cam.com/video/DR_OYr7ICi4/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
Well, it seems that this is based on Autoortho so there's nothing new with it but the initial loading time. To me AO installation is more staightforward.
@@crisk73Ok. But of all the ortho variants available, this one worked the best. In my case, AutoOrtho significantly affects the game's loading time. It was also faster to install all regions compared to AutoOrtho. Even after gamecrash, the order in scenery_packs had to be adjusted again. No crash ever happened with Map Enhancement. I find it more stable. Maps are the same of course.
Much less complicated? From the moment you need a tutorial for something msfs does on its own, without needing to do anything, it's already much MORE complicated...
Ok makes sense but I was referring to the concept behind the two methods. Here you don't need big AI algorithms nor petabytes of downloadable data... Yes.. for the user there's a bit of work to get into it but just once. Cheers.
Never going to make it or happen. I was a loyal XPlane user for a long time, but it slowly went to shit compared to MSFS. MSFS has the backing, the design team, the passion and most importantly the MASSIVE bank account and XPlane's days are numbered. Plus it still looks terrible compared to MSFS. So good luck XPlane! Breath your air while there still is air to breath cause it is running out.
This may be true but xplane remains a niche for those who are looking for aspects of the simulation which are different from pure aesthetics. I'm keeping three simulators alive and enjoying all of them equally.
@@crisk73 The thing is, MSFS 2020 has closed the gap with X-Plane 12 in terms of flight modeling that the cry of X Plane 12 is more realistic can't be said. With MSFS 2024 right around the corner, I feel that will be the last nail in X Planes coffin. MSFS 2024 will have a much more detailed and realistic flight model than X Plane 12.
@@crisk73 I think with anything it is the individual aircraft. They have some casual planes and they have study level aircraft. The A2A Comanche is the best simulation of a GA aircraft available in any sim.
@@crisk73 Hmm. Well there is also the fact that MSFS has correct regional buildings and accurate rooftop textures (thanks to blackshark ai) which further helps the Orthos to blend in seamlessly. That is in itself a huge problem for xplane to tackle. Although I do prefer the lighting in xplane 12. But with MSFS 2024 launching next year, with enhanced machine learning algorithms, it will be very hard for xplane 12 to come close visually.
@@gridhellsing Hmmm. For the use of a « flightsim » such details have less to no impact at all. It would be different for GTA or a game happening on the ground. Even when flying in real, you won’t look at the the roofs of the buildings. The fact they announced 2024 with even better looking rocks is for me a sign that they will still overkill it visually. And i am skeptical if they will improve the other points where it really lacks. Autoorthos have been a game-changer for me. I agree that close to the ground, MSFS still looks a bit better and more in harmony, more finished or better fined-tuned with the environnement. But at the same time, default airports are better in XP. At the end, the difference for the overall flying-experience is almost unnoticeable for me, where flight dynamics become much more important than every detail on the ground.
It might be right for visuals, but the "flight feel" is years ahead on X-PLane. As a simmer, i prefere better flight experience than pretty graphic. But hey, no need to pick, i still fly all 3 sims.
How do you disable X-Plane roads after installing auto ortho can youj make a tutorial for that? or make it transparent roads like msfs. x-planes default roads dont align properly and look misformed.
Roads belong to the overlay so autoortho does nothing to them. If I remember right there should be a free mod somewhere that makes the road textures transparent. Check the Org site.
Nope, not at all competing with msfs, stripey weird tiles anomalies, flying over Africa and the Middle East gives you all different coloured tiles completely breaking the immersion, like everything on X-Plane its a bodge job and not done properly
Just to make it clear: the very first run of X-Plane after installing the required scenery packages is needed to manually adjust the scenery_packs.ini file as to have the correct priorities during subsequent loadings. This shall be done only ONCE. Then the normal procedure is: 1) RUN the autoortho program; 2) RUN X-Plane.
It doesn’t work either way
Did you install the Dokan library?
@@crisk73 all installed as said,still no luck
@@Gordan1962 Send me a shot clip of your desktop with the steps you're taking. Will see if I can help.
@@crisk73 no need sir, i deleted all files again and XP12 is in old shape again,i was not able to start the XP even once, but again thanks for your help
I got this thing running, and it's really nice. Just one suggestion for those without a huge machine. If you don't want to have a surprise freezing or low FPS during landing, go to your destination airport and fly a quick approach a few miles away from the runway(s) with a Cessna (or whatever plane) in order to cache the area around the destination. that way, when you do your actual flight, you already have cached the images.
Yeah correct, it's enough to spawn on the apron of the destination airport. Thanks for the tip.
defeats the point of flying to new places though doesn't it, if you already see it before you arrive
@@ryan1111111555555555 no?
@@davidtsw for me it does, I like to discover things
@@ryan1111111555555555 I mean you literally just have to start the flight at the airport and you can change location, no need to even go flying or see anything
Running it on ver11. Saved me about 4tb of hdd space. Happy days
Simheavens x world is a must have.
Good to know. Looks like xp is getting better. I was exclusively on xp10 then xp11 and had terabytes of ortho4xp tiles downloaded covering maybe 70% of the world but when I upgraded my rig I somehow managed to "break" my drives and lost all the ortho but since pmdg released the 737 and Fenix the A320 I finally decided to run fs2020. I have more than 60 xp aircraft, some I had barely flown, so if this ortho thing works, I might give xp another go. My only issue with xp10 and 11 that doesn't seem to have been fixed in xp12 (looking at youtube videos) is the AA. When you are on the ground, lines are jagged and as soon as the engines are on the lines on the ground start moving like a line of tiny ants. It drove me crazy. I don't think they fixed that.
Not yet. Jagged lines are still there. I fly XP exclusively in VR so to me they are less impacting. With this autoortho thing I got rid of 500GB of orthos only for Europe, like having a brand new ssd! Thanks for watching.
With autoortho is fantastic flying in the real world
"To have all the scenery streamed in X-Plane just the way MSFS does but less complicated." - It's way more complicated LOL! But this is a nice feature for X-Plane users who have had to suffer for years. Still the autogen is still stock and the trees are awful but that can be improved with the Global Forests add-on. It's all a bit naff though isn't it compared to MSFS.
Well... to me this approach is simpler compared to the AI generated scenery of MSFS and all the technology existing behind, of course that is ready for use while this for XP needs some tweaking. My piece of advice is to use X-World by Simheaven to have a better effect compared to the default and boring autogen.
When AutoOrtho gains popularity and more users start using it, then there might be problems.
When thousands of users starting to flood the servers they will take action.
That's also why it's important to keep downloaded pics in the cache. This scenario could not be so bad anyway since XPlane is not MSFS.
The Server Load is on the Map Tile Provider so mostly Bing. I dont think a couple of thousands using this Plugin makes any difference in their server load
Don't worry, very few people use Xplane, you'll be fine 🤣🤣🤣
@@activex7327 🤣I guess you're right!😆
There's a Google replacement mod in MSFS that hasn't been taken action against. No chance the tiny X-Plane userbase is going to be a problem.
Looks great. Very unstable for me though as I get CTDs diring flights. Long periods of pauses and the process is always reporting errors of time outs. I've had no time to investigate these yet though. Looks like it could be worth it though.
Looks like that a strong and recent cpu is needed to convert downloaded imagery on the fly. I have recently changed my cpu and I don't have big pauses or ctds.
@@crisk73 I have a very strong system
And what about internet connection?
@@crisk73 UK's fastest. Not the fastest SSD. I also run other stuff which probs don't help. Going to investigate 😂
Not competing - it's a winner for sure. As a pilot for 15 years, I can tell that only XP12 flight dynamics are realistic, only Xp12 weather will act upon the aircraft correctly, ground behavior, and real study level models as Cl650. Msfs is an arcadish game for x-box, I still keep it though)
I absolutely agree with you 👍
Also motion telemetry from MSFS is very weak and so it works poorly with a motion rig. Il2, DCS, XP are all far superior in that respect.
Idc If the flight dynamics are realistic I only care about the feeling of the sim, also not to mention the great mods and scenery that comes with just downloading MSFS, If your sim Is In XBOX doesn't mean Its arcade like sim, Thats an old mantality
@@lquid737 Not sure it‘s old mentality if that sim offers bulit-in races and landing-competitions with points and skips important aviation-stuff like the simulation of inertia, missing impact of storms/cumulus clouds on your flight dynamics and the simulation of temperature-density or failures etc. And XBox-users are also oriented arcade-gaming. MSFS‘ main-audience.
For someone wanting to be introduced in aviation, MSFS is great, don‘t understand me wrong. Exactly like flying aircrafts in GTAV can be „fun“. But it‘s simply more gamey and XP is closer to a sim for advanced „simmers“ or real pilots in my opinion because it offers more that matters when flying.
I am someone who takes aviation seriously yet I still prefer msfs, I don't get close to these landing challenges and all of that because in my opinion they made it to test the capability of the sim for new users, If microsoft had X-Plane It will prob have the same effect of having landing challenges and fundamental stuff but that too will not make It a game like@@frankbyte
Thanks for the tutorial. What's the minimum connection speed for getting optimal textura quality?
Don't know precisely, but something around 100 Mbps is recommended. I've got 1Gbps fiber and I have no problems.
@@crisk73 🙏
Autoortho looks and works great, but I found it was just impossible to use with the mesh it need to use. Frankfurt and Mexico City are two of the airports I can think where the runways were more more of a roller-coaster than runways. This was about a couple Months ago but I doubt it got improved, stock mesh was far less exaggerated, but when Autoortho worked, it looked stunning
What do you mean? Authoortho has got Ortho4XP pre-generated meshes using viewfinderpanoramas.org DEM data, so a lot more precise than stock XP mesh. With last 0.0.51 version of Europe there's an attempt to globally fix aprons bumpiness which may occur when apron elevations data are poor. This might flatten some aprons a bit too much, but better than having a roller coaster.
@@crisk73 I shall try the updated version, but beforehand it was actually more exaggerated than stock mesh. I hope this version does help then as before it was unusable in places!
@@Kacper_Kolodziejczyk the solution I found was to to have all the autoortho scenery entries to be near the bottom of the scenery. cfg
@@crisk73 the problem is that whoever made the .dsf files for autoortho had his ortho4xp seriously misconfigured (or used 1.20). its far worse than what ortho4xp normally produces.
@@dorian4219 you can check the ortho4xp global config file in the GitHub page and compare it with yours to find out the main differences. I think he uses O4XP 1.30.
Thanks for this video! Can I ask - what is that tiny window on the top left with the graphs? Is it showing CPU, GPU stats? Where can I get that? 🙂
@@CyberSystemOverload hi it's called 3jfps, it's a plugin allowing to calibrate your fps based on available resources so tuning LOD and other impacting parameters so as to keep fps at the targeted value. You can find it on the .Org Site.
@@crisk73 thank you for this information!
Thanks for your explanations. With Ortho4XP you had to generate a mesh first. With AutoOrtho, which mesh will be used or where does it come from? Will it use default XP12 mesh?
The mesh is downloaded with each Continental package in the Scenery tab of the GUI. It is pre-generated with Ortho4XP.
Nice video! All sims have their own pros and cons. How did you get rid of the texture jaggies/ jagged lines for xp12?
Jagged lines are caused by poor AA implementation and I believe XP12 is still suffering from this problem.
@@crisk73your jaggies are far less though?
Maybe because the vid is in 2k res. I usually don't set AA to more than 2x.
ah yeah mabye, thanks anyways@@crisk73
Hi, have installed as per your instructions all went well no problems, thanks for video. Question I have downloaded the Europe pack and hit the RUN button as at 4.37 in the video, my pc has now been running for 18 hours and is still processing the data ---- How long should this process take ?
Hi upon clicking the RUN button no processing should take place but the program should be ready to download and convert orthos when required by your plane position. That wait of 18 hours is weird to me. You just let the cmd window in the background and run XPlane normally.
Es muy difícil hacer está instalación del Autoortho.. 😢😢😢
Not at all. Just follow the steps in the video. You just have to modify one text file, for the rest the installation is automatic.
I downloaded and installed the north America scenery pack but the scenery is still basic. do you have some troubleshooting tips?
Hi Autoortho is for terrain textures. If you want better overlay objects and buildings you need also to install Simheaven X-World America. Google for it. Installation is simple.
Just installed XP12 on 2 new build computers, along with AutoOrtho and Dokan, etc... when I run XP12, and then go into the scenery pack file, there is NOT all those things listed there... nothing to copy and paste, what exists is only the top half of what you show.
I tried it a second time but went to one of the areas listed on this list (KJFK)- still nothing extra in the scenery pack.ini file.
This has happened on both machines. I can't tell if autoortho is running or not!
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SCENERY
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LFMN Nice Cote d Azur X/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LPFR Faro/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Airports - KBTV Burlington/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Berlin and Frankfurt/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Budapest/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Chicago/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Dubai/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Las Vegas/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - London/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Los Angeles/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - New York/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Paris/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Portland/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Rio De Janeiro/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Saint Louis/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - San Francisco/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Sydney/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Washington DC/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/z_autoortho/
SCENERY_PACK *GLOBAL_AIRPORTS*
You have to run AA at least once to have the folders in the packs.ini.
@@crisk73 Yup, did it, they're still not there. I've actually run AA many dozens of times... not there.
@chopperskier you need to have your z autoortho below global airports in your custom scenery.ini
I installed it the way you taught, but my soil has some squares. How can I resolve this?
I think it's not on your side, it depends on server's load. What cpu do you have?
@@crisk73 I have a Intel Core I5 9400F
That's may also be the reason. Try on a different area, another continent an see if it does the same.
Thanks for the video! by the way, what are the different types of “overide” mean? BI, etc thanks again
If you want to change provider for the ortho imagery select something different from BI.
I cannot praise this 'gift' to the xplane community enough, the only reason I've flirted with MSFS was the real landscape. This is working (0.7.1) pretty flawlessly on X-Plane 11 and 12 exactly as MSFS does. dating my flightsimming back to FS 5.1 when we dreamed of 'just a few more polygons' I gan truly say this combined with SimHeaven is breathtakingly beautiful. My score 12 out of 10!😊😊😊
Cannot fly XP without AO anymore. Thanks for watching!
Trying to download south America and getting the ( Error-File is not a zip file with Zipfile } Seen anything like that before??? Europe, Africa, Australia have downloaded without problems like south America is having
Try to delete everything you have in the Download folder and reinstall SA.
Another question for you.... Where is the config file located ? So I can change the ZL and refresh rate from 0.5.
In your username root folder there should be the aa ini file.
Grazie Cris, ho scoperto ora il tuo video e proverò ad usare questa mod. Ho una domanda, come si modifica la world perception? gli abitacoli sono minuscoli... in msfs2020 lo faccio dal sim o con OpXrtk ma l'ultima versione non funziona con Xp12.....
Io non ho il problema degli abitacoli piccoli perché uso il VR, comunque con il mouse puoi zoomare quanto vuoi.
Perdonami, non ti ho detto che ho il Quest 3......e gli abitacoli, la cloche, il volantino sono davvero piccoli....
No per me no, almeno non ho questa sensazione, anzi mi sembrano ben proporzionati. Il problema semmai è la chiarezza. Per leggere bene la strumentazione ci sono due metodi: 1) se usi Meta (Oculus) Link devi applicare una risoluzione di 1,1x - 1,2x; 2) Se usi Virtual Desktop il preset grafico deve essere almeno HIGH.
Grazie Cris, proverò a cambiare l'IPD ma dubito... continua con i tuoi bellissimi video. 🤗🤗🤗🤗👏👏👏
@@federicomassarino714 grazie troppo buono!!
Got another issue. While trying to update North America, it keeps saying ERROR FILE IS NOT A FILE WITH ZIPFILE. Any idea how to fix ?
There's nothing we can do I think some files are corrupted on the server side.
@@crisk73 so can’t reinstall everything over again?
Try to delete every folder of autoortho in Custom Scenery and relaunch the installer.
Works pefectly, but I had to set maxWait=5 in the .autoortho file. But that's all, works like a charm now!
What was the default number out of curiosity?
@@crisk73 default is 0.5
at 5.0 i still get some missings but is better than 0.5
I need help. I cant install Dokan because there is an uninstalling error.
Retry with Administrator permission.
Hey im using xplane 11 and my scenery doesn't look like yours. Would xplane 12 change anything?
Could be but you need to put ortho tiles on xp11 as well, did you?
Thanks for the tutorial !
Does oautoortho require Global scenary atleast one to be installed? or can this run without global scenary defaults
You can run it without Global Scenery.
@@crisk73 thanks
Thanks Crisk73. Does it work on a Mac?
Hi there's a MacOS branch in the github site you can try provided you have Python installed, but it's still a WIP.
Question: Following the video, When I click on the autoortho application file I am not able to scroll down or access the top of the tab. This prevents me from configuring and placing the Otho scenery into my x plane custom scenery folder. Is that happening for anyone else, any suggestions please! I would love to experience the orthophoto on my game!!
Never heard of such a problem... Did you get any python errors?
No error. Just completely limited to what I can access on that tab. I even downloaded an older version but same thing. I just bought this computer this week. And ironically this happen on my old computer when I downloaded orth4xp attempting to do it the long way. . The page limited my access and as a result I was unable to follow further instructions.
I would check for all the prerequisites software. Do you have everything installed?
hi, does amybody using autoortho knows why the system window does not open when i start it, thanks in advance
Try to use the zip file instead of the exe.
nope
@@crisk73
I got buildings to load but no trees after moving around the ini file. Any help would be great to resolve getting the trees to load.
Building as well as trees are on the y*overlays folder. Did you put it in the correct position in the ini file? It should be just above the z_ folders.
@@crisk73turns out I had everything correct and I just wasn’t in a area with much trees
@@crisk73 Going go to be nice to free up ortho downloads for the US that take up a lot of storage and use this for the foreseeable future. Seeing a lot of people use this recently.
It saves a lot of space actually and doesn't require the preparation of the scenery prior to flying. That's great imho.
ido you have to manually run the program on each launch
Yes
@@crisk73 okay, and do you use only autoortho or do you use any other addons like xworld
Xworld is recommended since default autogen doesn't fit at all with orthoimagery. Requires cpu power tho.
What did he mean when he said it is less complicated than MSFS?
Of course scenery generation for xp is not such a complex matter as for msfs which uses Azure AI.
Looks like he's clueless as to what he's saying. Did you notice the process you have to go through in order to have the scenery set up? Other than the aircrafts dynamics and all, I wouldn't hold my breath, MSFS is by far superior and way ahead in leaps and bounds. And regarding the aircrafts system and dynamics, they will get there.
Sorry maybe I mispelled it, I was meaning that this scenery generation is less "complex" than that achieved by MSFS which makes use of AI and a whole lot of expensive technology. Well.. the effect may not be as convincing as in MSFS but anyway it stands as a good compromise for having ortho scenery streamed in XP with little effort. That's it.
How would I be able to switch my cache to a different hard drive than the ssd that my x plane is on since I don’t have enough storage on the ssd
You can create a symlink to the other drive. To do so open a cmd window and type: mklink /j C:\Users\\.autoortho-data\downloads :\downloads
@@crisk73 tried this, but get following answer:
C:\>mklink /j C:\Users\peter\.autoortho-data\downloads X:\downloads
Cannot create a file when that file already exists.
I must be doing something wrong. My C: is too full already. I am using X: for all the scenery files and downloads.
Thanks for your tutorial
installed and now my XP12 is crashing, any idea why ..... error ,could not locate image file for terrain,
i follwed your steps but now my XP12 is only crashing
Have you got autoortho running in the background before launching a new flight in XP? You should have the cmd window open. If aa is not running XP crashes due to not having the symlinks to the scenery in place.
@@crisk73 thank you responding so fast , i have the AA runnning and it executes the tool but when starting the XP12 then it loads sofar so good but then crushes with the following error massage.....i could send u a screenshot but cannot paste here in YT
@@crisk73 I
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SCENERY
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/CDB-Library/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/OpenSceneryX/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/MisterX_Library/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Airports - KBTV Burlington/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Portland/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LFMN Nice Cote d Azur X/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LPFR Faro/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Berlin and Frankfurt/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Budapest/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Chicago/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Dubai/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Las Vegas/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - London/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Los Angeles/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - New York/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Paris/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Rio De Janeiro/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Saint Louis/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - San Francisco/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Sydney/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/X-Plane Landmarks - Washington DC/
SCENERY_PACK *GLOBAL_AIRPORTS*
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/yAutoOrtho_Overlays/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/z_autoortho/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/z_eur_00/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/z_eur_01/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/z_eur_02/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/z_eur_03/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/z_eur_04/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/z_eur_05/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/z_eur_06/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/z_eur_07/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/z_eur_08/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/z_eur_09/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/z_eur_10/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/z_eur_11/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/z_eur_12/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/z_eur_13/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/z_eur_14/
SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/z_eur_15/
I followed your instructions. After running X-Plane the first time I went into my Scenery-Packs.INI file but did not see any new SCENERY PACKS to reorder.
Did you complete the installation of at least one continental scenery package prior to launching xp?
@@crisk73 Yes I loaded North America (NA)
I don't know you should see the NA rows in the .ini file
Where does the data come from? Is google maps?
Default is Bing but you can select among other few providers.
I am having a problem when I open the autoortho_win it says the code execution cannot proceed because python310.dll was not found. I need help with this
Autoortho _win.exe is an autoextracting executable having its own python310.dll which is put in a temporary folder. Are you sure you're clicking on the .exe? Did you unzip it out of the archive before launching?
@@crisk73 I solve that problem now I have another problem. When I downloaded Asia it shows done and overlay installed on the prompt thing but then it still shows working on AutoOrtho Setup all the Asia files were downloaded like the 00 01 thingy but I don’t have ortho overlay
Update: I am really dumb It was still cleaning sorry.
@@IceCreamIsYummy1 Can you help me with the python310.dll issue please. I just prompted that as well. What did you do?
@@bravocharlie24 for the Dokan I didn’t download the one in the video I downloaded the setup version you can try that
@@IceCreamIsYummy1 Can you pass me the link to the one you downloaded please. Also, how did you fix the error message about the phython 310.dll?
Does this work or do they support for running Xplane 12 on MAC? Thanks
There should be a test version for MacOS in the GitHub but I cannot say for sure.
This is what I am getting everytime I tried to load into a flight.
"Error, could not locate image file for terrain
Custom Scenery/z_asi_32/terrain/25952_58016_BI16_sea_overlay.ter
Custom Scenery/z_asi_32/terrain/
../textures/25952_58016_BI16.dds"
Dokan is installed but in the .log it says Dokan was not found. Also, when I try running the app, it closes down immediately. Any help?
In the log you should have the line: INFO:winsetup:Dokan found at C:\Windows\system32\dokanfuse2.dll else I think it can't work correctly or at all. Try to reinstall Dokan with Admin permission. Maybe it failed to get installed.
@@crisk73 Let me try installing it again with admin permission. Brb.
@@crisk73 Yeah idk what's going on. Now, it doesn't let me uninstall it to try again with admin permission lol
Go to the Dokan page, there's also a maual procedure to install the package, try to follow that one.
@@crisk73 So, I was playing around with the installation process with Dokan .exe and I came to figure out that it does not create a folder on my C: drive. I tried customizing a folder on my other drive and installed Dokan and nothing was put into that folder. Is this why my auto-ortho is not working and is this why it says that it doesn't detect Dokan on my system?
In some area still have blurry texture,Missing Texture and the elevation runway slope still bad. Btw i only download asia region.
Blurry texture is a.known bug.
I have from time to time blurry squares of scenery loading up im front of me in MSFS as well, also a known bug.
HELLO , EVERYONE...I DID THE INSTALLATION CORRECTLY, BUT CAN'T SEE THE AIRPORT RUNWAYS; AM I DOING SOMETHING WRONG!?😵💫
I believe you have to check the sorting of rows in the scenery_packs.ini file. Autoortho stuff go to the bottom of the file.
@@crisk73 hello
All good
Did as you say
Thank you so much!!!
are they getting the scenery data from Google Maps or Bing?
Bing is default but you can choose other providers. Google is not included though.
Hi, i got big problem with airports. There’re no terminals. I’ve downloaded everything. Files are good and scenery packs folder is also looking good. I don’t know what i did wrong. I can send you custom scenery file if you want. Thank you❤
Send me the scenery_packs.ini file.
@@crisk73 where can I send you this? Like copy and paste to the comment or somewhere else?
@@crisk73 it's working. I had to delete the simHeaven packs🙏🙏. Thank You🙏
mine is stuck on „Will init rendering.”
Your specs?
@@crisk73 I9990K rtx 2080 super and 32gb of RAM
You shouldn't have problems with specs then. What phase are you stuck on? Starting a flight? Try with a simple area, like a small island.
@@crisk73I’ve tried still nothing:((
So this doesn’t work for Mac though?
It should work, take a look at this: forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/forums/topic/290387-auto-ortho-for-mac/
great short viedeo captain, thx
Does anyone know how to change the Ortho zoom level?
You can change only the minimum ZL which is 12 by default. Max is 18. Open with a text editor che autoortho config file. Not advisable to rise the min ZL though.
I have spent hours & hours of grief with Ortho4XP11.
The problem is this 79 yr old grounded pilot, but your XP12_ version gives me new hope.
Anywzy "AutoOrtho" is backward compatible??
(My stuff is OLD like me.
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BTW or me XP handles so much better than that other simulator (back in the box).
Dave
CYEL
Yep, should work with XP11 as well. XP11.50+ is required.
it says im missing python or smth
You have to download the self extracting .exe file
@@crisk73 i get it, but after changing the localization to disc E: it still downloads on disk C:, wat is going on
thanks for the tutorial for the life of me i cant change the download file from the c drive to my other drive my c drive is full any way you can help
The download folder is used only to unzip the downloaded scenery packages and then it gets emptied after the installation process has finished. You can't change its location but you can create a symlink to another drive so as to make the program think it's still C: So open a cmd window and type: mklink /j C:\Users\\.autoortho-data\downloads D:\downloads where D is another free drive, put the exact letter of your drive.
@@crisk73 thank you so much
@@crisk73 Tried to do this, but it says:cannot create file, that already exists. It should be possible to have a config file to adjust things.
Remove the download folder, if it exists, before launching the script.
My made no difference whyyy
In relation to what sorry?
@@crisk73 the autoortho made no difference to the graphics
The whole thing has completely crashed my X Plane 12. Followed every step to a tee.
Correction: if I run this in the background, then load a flight on XP 12, it locks up FOREVER.
If I DON'T run this and try a flight with XP 12, it crashed. Either way, it's fried.
Delete all the AO created folders in your Custom Scenery folder and you will have your default XP12 back.
@@crisk73 Ok, did that, and it's back, returned to normal.
Grazie mille!!
The problem is, that the scenery is loading too slow, I have freezes every 30 sec and loading for 1 Minute.
There are two "hidden" prerequisites actually: having a good internet connection and a capable and recent cpu. What are your specs?
@@crisk73 OK that seems that my i7 7700 and my 30Mbit Internet isn't enought.
@@datimofrosel5194 time to upgrade? I did with my cpu and now I'm quite happy with it.
@@datimofrosel5194 I have an I7 just like yours, and it works for me. Maybe you should set the expectations lower and put a lower number or real-world objects. I tried on South America, not very dense areas, just to te clear
@@crisk73 I think it has nothing to do with that. I have an i9 12900K and a 100 Mbps connection. It still downloads at average of 3-4 Mbps.
The way this program works, is it possible to patch the mesh files like we can with our own O4XP? Small bush strips often require extra attention.
Yes you can. Be sure to have in O4XP the same general config you find in the AA GitHub and use your patches with O4XP. When done overwrite the patched .dsf in Custom Scenery.
I own both msfs and xplane 11/12. To me, even though the xplane scenery is rather crude, it still looks more realistic in the toned down pallet and overall look. When flying a real aircraft you really don't sit there admiring every detail or tree, building etc. For VFR, lakes, roads, rivers, landmarks are important. Anything above 5000ft become irrelevant. Msfs is very 'cartoon'ish' in my opinion. And a total PITA to manage regards reliability, 'mandatory' updates (that often trash your installation). Every time I run msfs I have my fingers crossed that it will indeed load and run.
Try the new SU14 of MSFS, they have adjusted colors and tones, it's a good improvement to me. Anyway it's true that FS is beautiful but a bit cartoonish.
@@crisk73 That's why I'm here. The latest MSFS update trashed my installation then requested a 'mandatory' update of over 130GB. I left it downloading overnight, and it was stuck at 24%. I'm sure it's nice, but life is to short to put up with this BS. None of these issues with Xplane. I want a refund from ASOBO. I have now deleted it and will never return. Good luck with MSFS 2024. You are going to need it.
Competing with infinite flight maybe, not MSFS
🤣
Auto Ortho no work, sim crash
Do you have the program running in the background?
@@crisk73 Yes
Thanks to this , i just brought xplane 12 yesterday but I guess I should buy ms2020 basic,
Xplane 12 doesn't have check list inside game, need to download this kind of scenery, I guess ms 2020 done better, graphic is stunning with plenty of optiong to play with graphics settings.
Too bad, I love xplane 11 vs fsx because of the adon , but now ms2020 i think is the winner here
If you decide to buy msfs get the premium deluxe version, there are a lot of good additional planes.
@@crisk73 thanks, I should just brought the ms2020 premium deluxed in the first place. Its a little expensive though, its around 100$ on steam in my country,
If you decide to step into the premium deluxe later it will be much more expensive. The premium deluxe has got the 787, the 172 classic that are worth the extra price.
For now, X-plane 12 is not ready as it should be, and X-plane 11, for now, is the choice for many home pilots. MSFS, when someone has a powerful GPU and CPU, has better visuals and that's a fact. Having all 3 I prefer MSFS and my second choice is X-plane 11!
I don't understand why X-Plane fans try so hard to make it look like MSFS.
X-Plane has its strengths and weaknesses, it's never gonna be MSFS though, for a lot of different reasons.
Still a long way off.
Yep but a big step forward in my opinion. Let's see if anything is coming from Laminar...
new clouds are coming with 12.06 too and lighting overhaul for 12.07, it's improving a lot nowadays
Good times these to be a flightsimmer.
NOT a game changer. This looks pretty bad. Doesn't mesh with the sim at all.
Also when you zoom in (low altitude flying), it looks like a wash, terrible.
Ok it may not be perfect but better than default anyway in my opinion.
@@crisk73 I disagree. The Xplane's current scenery uses various ZL and around the airport it looks quite realistic with crisp details. You install this and you get a mess everywhere.
Also, if you think back to XP9 and photo-realistic cockpit 2D panels and how bad they looked in the sim, this is the same thing pretty much for me, total immersion breaker.
@@activex7327 this is right for low level flights but at altitude for me ortho is better. Msfs does both well because it uses texture synthesis as soon as you approach ground level.
@@crisk73 That's fine but for me it just doesn't work even from high altitude because the tiles are not color corrected and therefore stand out too much from the ambient lighting.
In real life the color of the surroundings is the product of Sun/ambient light.
That's why this auto ortho stick out like a sore thumb, break all realism and makes it look like a video game.
You mean that with Ortho4XP "static" ortho it's better or you are talking about ortho in general for X-Plane scenery?
Game? It is simulator
Yes to be precise :)
@@crisk73 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Map Enhancement for XP12 is much better, faster and easier
Haven't tried that yet.
The biggest advantage is that the game loads as quickly as without the ortho add-on. With AutoOrtho approx. 3 min. 🤭 th-cam.com/video/DR_OYr7ICi4/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
@@anton2495 I'm going to try it. Can you use Simheaven X-World overlay with it?
Well, it seems that this is based on Autoortho so there's nothing new with it but the initial loading time. To me AO installation is more staightforward.
@@crisk73Ok. But of all the ortho variants available, this one worked the best. In my case, AutoOrtho significantly affects the game's loading time. It was also faster to install all regions compared to AutoOrtho. Even after gamecrash, the order in scenery_packs had to be adjusted again. No crash ever happened with Map Enhancement. I find it more stable. Maps are the same of course.
Much less complicated? From the moment you need a tutorial for something msfs does on its own, without needing to do anything, it's already much MORE complicated...
Ok makes sense but I was referring to the concept behind the two methods. Here you don't need big AI algorithms nor petabytes of downloadable data... Yes.. for the user there's a bit of work to get into it but just once. Cheers.
Never going to make it or happen. I was a loyal XPlane user for a long time, but it slowly went to shit compared to MSFS. MSFS has the backing, the design team, the passion and most importantly the MASSIVE bank account and XPlane's days are numbered. Plus it still looks terrible compared to MSFS. So good luck XPlane! Breath your air while there still is air to breath cause it is running out.
This may be true but xplane remains a niche for those who are looking for aspects of the simulation which are different from pure aesthetics. I'm keeping three simulators alive and enjoying all of them equally.
@@crisk73 The thing is, MSFS 2020 has closed the gap with X-Plane 12 in terms of flight modeling that the cry of X Plane 12 is more realistic can't be said. With MSFS 2024 right around the corner, I feel that will be the last nail in X Planes coffin. MSFS 2024 will have a much more detailed and realistic flight model than X Plane 12.
@@Bellthorian We'll see if it's true. At the moment I feel XP is more realistic, msfs is a bit still on rails.
@@crisk73 I think with anything it is the individual aircraft. They have some casual planes and they have study level aircraft. The A2A Comanche is the best simulation of a GA aircraft available in any sim.
@@Bellthorian Yes I agree about the A2A. Waiting for anything else coming from them.
Nope, not even….
Can you eleborate please? I'd like to have all opinions. Thx
Just the way MSFS does but less complicated ?? wtf ahhaahahahahah
Because you don't need all that Azure AI and that kind of stuff, maybe it's a bit complicated for the user but the concept is simple.
This aint it boss. Looks bad. These orthos just don't blend in with the sim's graphics engine.
I can't disagree actually, but at least orthos make each flight more interesting.
@@crisk73 Hmm. Well there is also the fact that MSFS has correct regional buildings and accurate rooftop textures (thanks to blackshark ai) which further helps the Orthos to blend in seamlessly. That is in itself a huge problem for xplane to tackle. Although I do prefer the lighting in xplane 12. But with MSFS 2024 launching next year, with enhanced machine learning algorithms, it will be very hard for xplane 12 to come close visually.
@@gridhellsing Hmmm. For the use of a « flightsim » such details have less to no impact at all. It would be different for GTA or a game happening on the ground. Even when flying in real, you won’t look at the the roofs of the buildings. The fact they announced 2024 with even better looking rocks is for me a sign that they will still overkill it visually. And i am skeptical if they will improve the other points where it really lacks. Autoorthos have been a game-changer for me. I agree that close to the ground, MSFS still looks a bit better and more in harmony, more finished or better fined-tuned with the environnement. But at the same time, default airports are better in XP. At the end, the difference for the overall flying-experience is almost unnoticeable for me, where flight dynamics become much more important than every detail on the ground.
Xp 12 doesnt have the platform to ever compete with msfs. Sorry to tell you.
Of course they have completely different budgets and resources available. Each one has its own strengths.
It might be right for visuals, but the "flight feel" is years ahead on X-PLane. As a simmer, i prefere better flight experience than pretty graphic.
But hey, no need to pick, i still fly all 3 sims.
Sorry but XP is already ahead of MSFS in almost everything except the textures and the graphical performance.
@@frankbyte frfr
Graphics: MSFS
PHYSICS: X-PLANE
REALISM: X-PLANE
PLANES: X-PLANE
SYSTEM: X-PLANE
How do you disable X-Plane roads after installing auto ortho can youj make a tutorial for that? or make it transparent roads like msfs. x-planes default roads dont align properly and look misformed.
Roads belong to the overlay so autoortho does nothing to them. If I remember right there should be a free mod somewhere that makes the road textures transparent. Check the Org site.
sometimes it runs, sometimes it doesn't and when it does, the scenery looks nothing like this....
For me it always runs. The scenery is not good everywhere though. Some areas are pixelated some have bad colours.
Nope, not at all competing with msfs, stripey weird tiles anomalies, flying over Africa and the Middle East gives you all different coloured tiles completely breaking the immersion, like everything on X-Plane its a bodge job and not done properly
Well... after some time and after seeing the FS2024 preview I'm with you.