This is why all extra deck monsters need an errata to require at least one specific. Either one archetype, one attribute or type, or one specific monster named. Often in both their summoning conditions and effect. Generic-ish is fine but 100% generic is not. The new Magistus Zoroa is a perfect example of what ED monsters should be. It has a relatively powerful effect but specifically requires a spellcaster monster in it's synchro summoning and then further requires monsters of its archetype to make use of both it's powerful effects. Those being to lock your opponent out of effects and to reborn itself. It's kind of funny for the last effect in particular that it released in the same set as DPE and yet DPE does not have the same restrictions. Because who needs balance, right?
@@RunicSigils honestly the use of generic materials isn't that much of a problem for most ED monsters, so long as the effects are balanced around the ease of summoning, plus all ED monsters do have restrictions, Fusions often need the use of a spell card to fuse, Synchro need a Tuner, and XYZ need the levels to be the same. The problem is literally that Link Monsters don't need anything like that. One of the biggest ways to limit Link monsters would honestly be to not allow them to be summoned with Tokens. It also doesn't help that even Link's with specific cards (Needlefibre needs a Tuner) are given overpowering effects.
I remember in one of the GX Tag Force games there was a task where you have to win with the Yata-Garasu lock so after looking it up I built a deck around it with Neo Daedalus (CED was banned) and once I pulled it off the AI conceded immediately which I thought was cool because the AI never concedes.
I miss when Konami made good full yugioh games. Driving my duel runner was so much fun. Why isn’t there an insane next gen game with Action Duels from Arc V or Speed duels from VRAINS or all of the above. They could even make an open world ARPG just from the lore. I’m looking forward to master duels, but something akin to the OG games that made me feel in it and quenched my thirst would be nice. Sorry for the tanger, but hearing about Tag Force just reminded me of happier times.
@@vullord666 Oh yeah, there's so much potential content about the monsters and events featured in all the artwork, it's weird they still use the manga/anime as main advertisement.
@@Weareonenation303 As I actually played in chaos yata format way back in the day, I honestly REALLY never want this card off the banlist. There were people in my meta that used the basic chaos deck form and added drop off and other effects that denied you cards and that was with a much smaller card pool than you have today, with a pool so much larger than it was this becomes more actually doable than back then. The utter futility of the yata lock was so very VERY annoying that I still slow burn today.
The funniest thing about saying "prevent it from being used as Link Material" is that when Konami invents the next extra deck mechanic all those cards will instantly become broken and need to be banned again
It would be kinda shocking if Yata-Garasu were to be unbanned and people started to play it again in decks that could benefit from its effect but that’s not going to happen
3:10 I think you're misreading dandylion's effect: it doesn't matter how it hits the GY for its effect to trigger, i.e. it does not need to hit the field first. Having dandylion in the hand makes for excellent discard fodder due to link shenanigans, which is much easier than a special summon imo.
@@Magna_Dragon For memes can get out Majestic Star Dragon with one for one and Debris Dragon turn 1 in Tag Force 4. Again thats a meme. Also its Tag Force 5 for Shooting Star. Tag Force 6, its much easier using Tech Genus engine then Dandylion but gets the job done
I love the backwards approach to card or set design in Yugioh. "We can't make this card because another card that already exists would break it". "Lol just ban that other card. We're here to make people buy the new sets."
@@EduardoWeidmanBarijan I mean the funny part to me is how it would be incredibly embarrassing to 99% of other companies and Konami is like "eh the bans will fix it"
Do you know how limiting it is to card design when you disallow the designers to ban cards? Imagine being unable to make a fun mechanic just because one card made years ago before this idea was even conceived would absolutely break it and being unable to do anything about it. Fun is always more important than balance (especially as balance is there to serve the game being fun). It’s fine to ban cards when it’s for the sake of balance. It is important to not rely on such a thing because constantly banning cards isn’t fun either. Though yes, Konami definitely takes the utter piss out of banning cards at times and are probably the most infamous for it. Ironically, there’s a balance to this as well.
@@MrZer093 Future proofing isn't easy. No offense but this seems a lot like "the hard way to design something is hard" in a nutshell. The incredible frequency and lack of foresight in designs that are identified as problematic by the community in days shows me that Konami generally doesn't care. It's not that they care 0% but they definitely aren't worried about making mistakes especially when they have the ability to make a solution in the next set but that model feels abusive and is my number 1 reason for not getting into the game. For example, I can almost excuse the 1st wave of link bans that were preemptive but I can't excuse things like Halq. The problem that I have is that they've made similar mistakes so often that it stops feeling like a mistake and more like negligence or intentional problems
@@MrZer093 I think they really needed to make a new game around the new mechanics. Same as they did now with Rush Duels. But they are afraid to lose "appeal" it seems
I'm so old I still remember the disbelief and buzz when the banned list came out for the first time. A whole lot of people were upset, having spent tons of money on Yata Garasu and Chaos Emperor Dragon back then. I remember the old beatdown with La Jinn, and I think I quit sometime in 2005, before I graduated high school.
I miss Level Eater. I love the Labradorite Dragon Syncro deck and how it opened the door to some of the coolest Syncro monsters that most people would pass on like Underground Arachnid.
Future Duellogs: OK Done with explaining the Banlist. (Outro): I would love suggestions in the comments (Sees explain the Limited Cards): Huh , yeah let's do that. And afterwards only explaining future Banlists
@@warcriminalyes When was there a time that Raigeki was Limited but Dark Hole was banned? I have been in and out of the game at times but can't recall a time such a thing happened. Heavy Storm's issue is also the fact that you can use a floodgate or 2 to stop your opponent from making their plays and then when you're ready to make your own, you can just wipe out your own floodgates while also getting rid of your opponent's back row.
@@ShiningJudgment666 I don't know about the tcg. But in most video games pre xyz. Those cards were on limited or completely banned but the damn raigeki was free. It was a complete bsht in terms of fairness before zombies and floodgates became popular
Funny how magical scientist only appeared 3 times in your top 10 s and Made it #1 in all of them. More infamous than spellbook, brilliant fusion, etc. Also, top 10 banned cards to be fixed with a hard once per turn
That shows why unrestricted mechanics is not good for the overall game pace, but Konami still allows it. If the formats were like "tribute only, synchro only" etc, the cards wouldn't be banned at all. Banning them is to make it easy to counter for future card releases. That is just lazy on my opinion. You gotta take responsibility of your own game
The Link mechanic is the biggest mistake Konami has ever made, even more than the Pendulum mechanic. Cards that have been fine for ages suddenly cannot be played any more because anything and everything can be used to spam Link monsters. I just cannot believe they decided to create such an irresponsible mechanic
Yeah, I put Dandylion in my plant deck just to try it out and its effect was insane to link into or synchro summon monsters. I can see why it’s banned. But nowadays you can run three evil thorns and achieve a similar effect. Summon Evil Thorn, tribute it to burn for 300, summon two more, make Aromaseraphy Jasmine with those two. And if you have Primula the Rikka Fairy and/or Rose girl in hand when you tribute the Evil Thorn that’s just even more free summons, not to mention that its burn effect puts you at more lp than your opponent on turn 1, which if you run some Aroma monsters gives you even more effects to play with. The downside to evil thorn is that you have to run 3 and if you have two in your opening hand or your opponent has an Ash Blossom ready to go then you’re out of luck on this strat.
I always figured Konsmi would never take Yata off the ban list because if you were ever to Yata lock someone the game could take 40+ turns to end and in an event were games have time limits it would make the games take forever since they can't force someone to surrender a game just image how long a best of 3 would take.
In a modern game the Yata player could keep drawing cards and special summoning stuff in addition to Yata, though, so they'd probably end the match a lot quicker than that.
@@teddyhaines6613 if you play them.... I would imagine a deck build around doing a yata lock work for go cards they can SS and maximum draw power/ slash ways to get to Yata.
So, got an idea for a new list, that being "Top 10 non-Banned cards that could be errata to released cards from the Ban list." Cards like that Crystron link monster could be errata to require a WATER Machine Tuner for its Summon, and only Summon a WATER Machine Tuner from the Deck. That would limit it to the Deck it supposed to work with, and get a number of Tuners off the list.
@@MasterofLaziness Not exactly. This would refine the list to cards that could reasonably be errata to remove cards from the list, rather than just the ones they could ban to remove cards.
Halq was clearly intended to work in every deck that needs 2+ Tuners to play, as we can see from its highly generic Summoning conditions and effect. I don’t get why people don’t like it. Halq’s existence enables many rogue decks to play the game, and it isn’t broken.
I just wanted to say that I’ve barely played Yu-Gi-Oh but your videos are amazingly straight to the point and easy to watch. I love your videos bro keep it up
Bonus: Level Eater had been banned in the OCG quite a long time before Link Monster came out. The reason is PSY-Framelord Omega and the degenerate DARK Synchro Deck that ended with a Shooting Quasar, a Crystal Wing and 3-4 handloops, or in the worst case scenario 3 Omega that slowly regen your resources. So it was banned in late 2016, with Omega Limited.
Another fix for Level Eater, it could lock you out of link summons for the rest of the turn if you special summon it, that way you can still make Synchro climbs and otherwise. It just wouldn't let you do any links, the other fix in addition would be to prevent the monsters summoned using it as material to not be able to be used as link material. That or it could just lock you into Synchro summons for the rest of the turn if you activate its special summon effect.
With regards to Yata, I'm going to echo something that was mentioned either in Progression or in History of Yugioh - Yata has stayed banned, not strictly because of its power level, but because it enables unfun game states and would be the subject of every little monster's new handlock deck. Whether that would actually be a problem in the competitive scene? There's only one way to find out...
I feel like they should solve a lot of issues by just making a ruling that any monster or token that cannot be tributed also cannot be used for link plays
There are so many obscure rulings already, we don’t need more. More than half of the monsters on the ban list could be fixed with a hard once per turn.
@@MorePower8679 I dont think link summoning being considered a form of tributing when like every card basically was designed like it already was considered tributing balance wise would really be some super unintuitive design here. even other forms of summoning like XYZ never allowed tokens to be used, so they could quite literally just say you cant use tokens for link summons and that solves most of the problem cards too, if you want to worry about consistent rulings between mechanics.
Yata likely won't ever get a chance as long as any form of hand looping or hand breaking exists. You would probably literally need to ban every single card that discards a card from your opponents hand for Yata to be able to come back and not be a problem. It would still punish non-conservative play though and probably still be degenerate as even with every 'discard a card from your opponent's hand'-like effect gone, you'd literally just need to force your opponent to expend all their resources and then drop Yata on them and unless they can outlast the damage they take, they lose.
@@ShiningJudgment666 Hand ripping is so non-existent in this game, to the point people are forced to use a -1 trap card to touch the opponents hand at all
@@maskofthedragon Trickstar Reincarnation + Droll & Lock Bird I'm pretty sure can enable that as the former isn't a hard once per turn. There's also the Gottoms loop that Virtual Worlds can still do. Don't believe either are that consistent though. The fact that it promotes such play is problematic.
@@ShiningJudgment666 the damage is the least of it. itslike the videos states: if someone drops yata on you you need ot have an immediateresponse ot prevent its effect from gonig off....otherwise you are NEVER gonna be able ot out it.
Hahahahaha I love how you explain things in these videos. It’s so well thought but slightly out dated. They actually took Yata off the banned list and it has all the tools to play how it did back in the OG days. I can’t wait to build my old yata lock deck with all the new cards lol
Imagine the shenanigans you could do today with Magical Scientist and its banned friends. Make a Cherubini to search Dandylion then loop Norden and Dandylion for link fodder.
@@shinygiveaways1920 I'm not aware of a lot of testing around Magical Scientist in the eras after its ban, but it's only useful in really swing-y OTK situations. I can imagine it would find little use in the GX era because of it; just no real purpose for it at the time. I can only imagine it'd be lackluster in the synchro era, too. No real use for vomiting out a bunch of low-level fusion monsters that wouldn't be better served by more legitimate strategies. ...come to think of it, I'm actually not sure what Magical Scientist might've been intended for at the time. FTKs aren't it, and its summons are too low-level for it to be an emergency board-breaker to knock over beaters like a Blue-Eyes. They can't attack direct, so it's not a 'push for game' situation...
@@EinDose Sorry in advance if I didn't read your comment properly but um...you said Magical Scientist wasn't used for FTKs and wasn't useful in the GX era...are you by any chance unaware of the Magical Scientist FTK that involves Catapult Turtle? If you are, then your reply doesn't make much sense, unless you're talking about using MS without Catapult Turtle...but why wouldn't people do that if CT is available at 3? In the Synchro era he could still be used in the FTK but also can help in summoning very high level Synchros
@@totalwartimelapses6359 Yeah, you misread. I'm saying that reasonably speaking Magical Scientist is ONLY useful for OTKs. He only lived to see Catapult Turtle, but reasonably if it was instead Catapult Turtle that got banned for that, Scientist would've gone on to fit into others. I'm just not sure of anyone's really labbed him in the GX era; I only know of some scary combos in the Xyz era. I do think he reasonably could've been used to make some big Synchros in that era, but he would actually be limited by Tuners; at that time I actually believe he couldn't have made a Synchro solo (Sea Monster of Theseus released in 2017). Meaning that he couldn't be a one-card engine like he could with Catapult Turtle or Link/Xyz monsters; you could still use him, but he wouldn't be so top-of-his-class, he'd have competition.
Another option I can think of is giving it a cost. Like the one they did with makyura. Kill te viability of repeating with a once per turn/duel AND a banishing after activating the effect
I think changing the text on substitoad so that it's quite literally just lone-fire for frogs would be a better way of balancing it. Make it so it has to tribute itself, but it's a soft once per turn instead of a hard once per turn. It's already not a Frog monster, so it can't summon another copy of itself. That alone limits it's potential if it has to tribute itself. But if you can find a way to summon multiple copies, then it becomes pretty powerful, but not broken.
- Dandylion can also be sent to the GY by Cherubini - Yata Garasu is a wind that can trigger Divine Wind of the Mist Valley - Magical Scientist can Summon Rhongomyniad with 5 materials
Or in my opinion to fix level eater, it can either only be trivuted for a tribute summon, or used as a material for a synchro summon. Since, you know, it was designed with that in mind.
Yata is extremely bad, it should go to 3. Remember his effect only revolves if you manage to attack. The amount of resources that you need to do that is the same that you need to make a OTK, so instead of winning with Yata Lock, you just OTK. In the past to make an OTK was very difficult, but now there is a lot decks that can do that.
One should more ask themselves why it should get unbanned tho. Does it make certain decks better or make gameplay quality better? Not really, it just enables some stupid unhealthy gamestate that nobody would want to be in, even if it would never happen in modern yugioh. It's just one less card Konami has to worry about being abused when they print new cards. So it's completely fine on the banlist. No one would profit from it anyways.
I don’t know about three copies, but maybe one to test the water. If at three, it might be too easy to use Dark Hole then summon Yata-Garasu, but that the same time, it seems rare for someone to not have a negate effect on standby mode. I would not be surprised if Yata-Garasu would require your opponent to have a certain number of cards in the hand, not not activate that effect if you summon other monsters.
Great summary on yata. There really is no positive reason to unban the card, either it doesn't see play or it goes back to being one of the worst ways to lose the game. Honestly its not the most powerful card of all time, but it might be the most degenerate.
yaya by itself is not that important. its not even that good of a card. the problem is that when the game hits a position where you can get a favorable game state for Yata, it becomes a strategy with no possible out.
Yata being so bad, that no deck would play it is an argument to take it off the banlist, tough. If the card is bad now, it has no reson to be on the banlist in the first place. And if it still would be too good they can still place it back on the banlist.
Magical scientist does have a wider selection of monsters to choose from then instant fusion. If brought back at a hard once per turn it will still see play. It will also compliment instant fusion
Link monsters changed a lot of things including breaking older otherwise terrible or balanced cards like Grinder Golem which wasn't created with Link monsters in mind.
the one thing I would love to see is legitimately a version of the modern game even if it's in say a video game form where you could actually play with the old versions of cards. Not talking older formats but actually seeing what some of the combinations between older cards and newer cards would be.
You can play without a banlist on YGO Pro, and you can (with a lot of effort) make custom cards in that game - so you could restore cards to their original effects and play them there.
@@BloodfelX I know but it would be nice for Konami to at least have one official way for people to enjoy things like that. And yes I'm aware that's never going to happen but could you imagine if it did and how fun it could be.
Do you mean like traditional format? It does exist, on that format banned cards are actually limited (you can't use pre errata cards as far as I know) They make official tournaments of traditional format, and best decks are pure zoo and orcust
@@marco4317 I remember when traditional format was actually created, (yeah been playing for that long) but no I'm talking about a format where you could see how some of the old versions of cards and how they might have interacted with new cards. For example Witch being a non once per turn effect that would still let you summon the card. Think how would that have impacted the modern game, would it still see play or not. Some of the more broken cards I agree might have been needed but having the ability to still play them in that unbroken form an official way would be fun even in a video game. I also have tried speed running legacy of the duelist link evolution and it's actually a little wired with a few cards that were changed just after the last update or just before the last update ao that some decks actually require different cards or play entirely different due to it. Heck just a little after that update whatever the creature is that lets you get to use multiple traps from your hand was changed so it could only use one yet it's still unchanged while others have been. Exodia is the fastest no banlist deck but if exchange of the Spirit was still its original version that one is 10x faster just due to abusing painful choice and other cards.
17:42 That "Hard No" was straight out of Letterkenney. Pitter patter ya degens. Yous always makes greats videos on banned cards TheDuelLogs, and that's whats I appreciates abouts you.
I'm still kind of bitter about level eater. My go to deck was synchro focussed and, on a good day, i could abuse a level eater/ quillbolt hedgehog/ quickdraw combo to a good degree. Best part is, otherwise my deck (though admittedly not the best) outside of eater and wall of revealing light was never banned
18:00 There is a weaker version of “Magical Scientist” called “Ready Fusion”.”Ready Fusion” is a spell card thats have same effects as “Magical Scientist” but it can only Special Summon 1 Level 6 or lower non-Effect Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck.Secondly that Fusion Monster whom Special Summoned by its effect can’t attack and it will be destroyed during your End Phase and finally this card has a hard once per turn.
3:27 it's hilarious to me that all 3 of those monsters are mentioned in the same sentence, and those happen to be the 3 monsters I used the exact same recording with text-to-speech to dub over the names in my "why these cards are banned in as few words as possible" shorts. I went in alphabetical order, so I actually did gofu first, the dubbed over it for dandylion, then dubbed over that for grinder golem. I thought it was funny, but sadly I don't think anyone really noticed.
Just saw you in the Ori stream chat, did not expect you to pop up in a Hololive stream lol, just wanted to say your Yugioh videos are always fun and interesting to watch! Keep it up!
Funny thing is that Yata would do jack shit in the modern game if it was legal. It's Konami fear mongering about potential abuse, same reason why Tribe was banned for so many years despite huge power creep.
Yata wasn't doing anything back then either. Yata is a finisher after you made tyour actual plays, and it will probably be able to pull that off forever. Unless the released a better way to lock the opponent out of their draw phase that i am not aware of.
I just want to say, I don't thing banning specific cards is the best way to prevent card abuse. In some/many cases, banning cards can completely gut other, more reasonable decks or at least hurt them significantly. I believe the proper way to do bans is to ban card combinations. Let them use the proposed card, just don't let them use it in conjunction with the other one that enables the broken mechanic/abuse. In example, the old Elma OTK : Don't ban Butterfly Dagger ( some might be unaware, there was actually a pseudo-archetype based off of this series of cards and it benefited greatly from Elma) just ban having Butterfly Dagger in your deck with Magical Library, that way the card can still see use, but not abuse. But that doesn't mean remove all bans on specific cards; you would still need to ban individual cards that are just straight up broken.
There's just no compelling reason to unban it. It doesn't help anybody anyways and is just yet another thing they need to consider when making new cards.
I remember back in the day having like 2 or 3 other duelists besides me who were actually running yata garasu and we did have quite a few duels where is it decided the game OR was way too late so the opponent ran out of cards before killing his opponent xD those sweet sweet times
so those players had absolutely zero ways to special summon in their deck? No monster reborn, premature burial, call of the haunted, chaos monster, maurauding captain, rock spirit, etcetcetc? stop lying.
The main thing I like about playing digital card games so much like LoR is so many of these cards could just be fixed with simple nerfs/wording changes, but because erratas arent done too much they get banned.
Video idea: Top 10 archetypes that improved the game. Stuff like gishkis changing the way ritual cards are treated, harpie ladies running beta tests for archetypes as we know them today, etc. Maybe a better name would be Top 10 Most Impactful Archetypes.
I recently got back into Yu-Gi-Oh after being out of the game since 5Ds-era and was trying to build my old Synchro deck on Master Duel. I got really confused when I saw that Level Eater was banned, because although it had always been pretty strong, it was a bulk common which was nowhere near the power level of most banned, or even restricted or semi-restricted cards. I then proceeded to play my first game, got OTK-d by a Cyberse Link deck which brought out 4 monsters with between 2300 and 5700 attack on turn 1 because it kept resummoning cards that I didn't even have time to read. It was at that moment that I realised 1- why Level Eater would have broken the game, and 2- that I was not going to enjoy my experience on Master Duel. As a former player, I have a question for those who have been playing continually since GX or before: have Pendulum and Link monsters actually improved the game (IE: made it more fun) or have they just turned the game into a d***-measuring contest between who can pull off the most broken combo on turn 1?
"Can Substitoad be unbanned? The answer to this one is another hard NO." I'll take "Comments that have aged well" for $200. To be fair though, I don't know how powerful the unban will be without Ronintoadin.
9:00 there's a way, a very situational and specific way that you may win against it, your opponent don't lower your lp fast enough and runs out of cards thus cannot draw and you win
Tokens can get a general ruling that they can't be used as link materials. For yata can get errata that it can't activate it's effect during the turn you activate effects other than yata's. Level eater can get the errata that it can't also be used as link material. Besides of hard once per turn, give also to scientist that the fusion can't be tributed.
"fixing" links as a whole doesnt need ot have that. the entire problem of the link emchanic si the existance of Link 1 monsters that enable you to create advantage out of effectivly nothing.
Yata is not alone in a deck even back then with a very inconsistent combo (ced) was a problem and not for that combo in particular, today's strategies and archtypes could make yata even more powerfull, some people who lacks imagination and only see a card as it is can't realize how broken and unfair yata really is.
As a frog player, Substitoad would absolutely see play in Frog decks, it’s a 1-card Toadally awesome. The biggest issue with frogs is that you don’t have enough highly playable monsters, getting extra copies of Swap (which is what you’d realistically use this card as) is incredible.
i think a better way to errata Level Eater would be to prevent it from being used as link matterial, since the card is pretty fine with synchros using it
i would love it if you made a video on the limited/ forbidden list for Yugioh Duel Links, as their limited mechanic is way more restrictive to the point that you can't have more than 2 cards in a deck that are on the limited 2 list. theres even a limited 3 list, which actually completely killed off Lunalights, since 2 of the level 4 monsters where put on the limitted 3 list at the same time, and since you can only have 3 limit 3 cards in your deck, you had to juggle between wanting to have 2 of 1 card and 1 of the other card.
Dandylion and Level can be unbanned with the clause of them not being used as link materia(tokens in dandylions case)l, both of them were fine in some niche decks such as synchro spam. Yata not being able to used back to back while weird would somewhat fix it as your opponent will have to endure a turn but has a small chance. Magicial scientist and subsitoad being HOPT, in scientist case might also wanna add an effect negate just to be safe
I think they don't want to reprint old cards with erratas and that is why they keep them in the ban list. But it could be fixed like in the rules itself. They could say all cards have a "once per turn" effect if not listed. That is my 2 cents
For Yata you could also make it so it also gains another effect when normal summoned or flipped face up where it cannot be normal summoned during your next turn. This way you can't forever lock an opponent out of their draw, at least not with Yata. You could probably do something weird for the turns where you can't summon Yata but imagine the effort and probably lack of consistency it'd take for that.
I think Level Eater could come off the banlist, if it got added a condition that says "You cannot Special Summon Monsters from the Extra Deck, except Synchro Summon, the turn you activate this card's effect". So it can be used as intended according to anime
Would you consider doing a "Broken combos" list? On YGOPro, showing step by step broken combos of the past and how they worked? It would be interesting as someone who hasn't dueled around those era's
In Ocg, level eater was banned at 2016. I believe that is before link monsters. It is used in a dark synchro deck, which use TG hyper librarians and can make 3 psy framelord omega in one turn.
It's kinda nuts how they didn't just make effects a hard once per turn unless stated otherwise on the card. Seems like a lot of the problems with effects are either not thinking about future proofing, or not having the space to add the once per turn rule on cards.
For Yata if they added the condition of no spec summons at all the turn it comes out That way the controller has their own time limit before decking out
How many cards could be fixed with a once per turn? All of them. If I could propose one thing in the next master rules (6?) It would be that all cards, unless otherwise stated already, are treated as having a once per turn clause.
Level eater could get out of the banlist if you errata the csrd to say "after you use this effect you can only special summon synchro monsters from the extradeck for the rest of the turn" because if you change it to once per turn you kill it for the synchro decks
The spirit deck using shinobaron maybe can use yata, if you return all monsters with shinobaron can ss yata in your hand to skip the draw phase, with shinobaroness actually u can ss it from the deck but she return spells so u need the 2 rituals, also with nikitama u can search it from the deck, u will not win the duel cuz the barons retun to hand but is a free -1, probably using amano iwato is better but is a way to use it (ss with the barons ignores the spirit disadventages and dont let the card go to your hand). Sorry if i misspell something, my english is bad
![Explaining All Banned Main Deck Monsters in YuGiOh [Part 6]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/gMitSF_SMDY/mqdefault.jpg)
![Explaining All Banned Main Deck Monsters in YuGiOh [Part 6]](/img/tr.png)
![Explaining All Banned Main Deck Monsters in YuGiOh [Part 3]](/img/n.gif)
Dude the last time I played yugioh it was in 2012 and I haven't played ever since. Yet your videos are so fun and interesting to watch, thank you.
Same for me lol
Same. Game got too meta game to be fun for me anymore and it sent me right back to MTGs EHD format but i still watch these out of entertainment.
Same
I don't play since Pendulum came
me too, though i would like to get into it since gren maju is apparently viable now lol
Take a drink everytime in one of these videos you hear "The card was powerful but not broken. BUT THEN LINK MONSTERS CAME OUT."
This is why all extra deck monsters need an errata to require at least one specific.
Either one archetype, one attribute or type, or one specific monster named.
Often in both their summoning conditions and effect.
Generic-ish is fine but 100% generic is not.
The new Magistus Zoroa is a perfect example of what ED monsters should be.
It has a relatively powerful effect but specifically requires a spellcaster monster in it's synchro summoning and then further requires monsters of its archetype to make use of both it's powerful effects.
Those being to lock your opponent out of effects and to reborn itself.
It's kind of funny for the last effect in particular that it released in the same set as DPE and yet DPE does not have the same restrictions.
Because who needs balance, right?
@@RunicSigils honestly the use of generic materials isn't that much of a problem for most ED monsters, so long as the effects are balanced around the ease of summoning, plus all ED monsters do have restrictions, Fusions often need the use of a spell card to fuse, Synchro need a Tuner, and XYZ need the levels to be the same. The problem is literally that Link Monsters don't need anything like that. One of the biggest ways to limit Link monsters would honestly be to not allow them to be summoned with Tokens.
It also doesn't help that even Link's with specific cards (Needlefibre needs a Tuner) are given overpowering effects.
And competitive game
Tkae shot every time he says a hard once per turn might do it
Still salty that Link slapped Synchro Decks by getting Dandy, Level Eater, and O-Lion banned.
"As you slowly peck away your opponent's life"
I see what you did there
Legend has it that yata started that saying
It doesn't sound nearly as funny right now...
I remember in one of the GX Tag Force games there was a task where you have to win with the Yata-Garasu lock so after looking it up I built a deck around it with Neo Daedalus (CED was banned) and once I pulled it off the AI conceded immediately which I thought was cool because the AI never concedes.
H. So n do Bath lol tb B gf
@@pikminlord343 ...what-
I miss when Konami made good full yugioh games. Driving my duel runner was so much fun. Why isn’t there an insane next gen game with Action Duels from Arc V or Speed duels from VRAINS or all of the above. They could even make an open world ARPG just from the lore. I’m looking forward to master duels, but something akin to the OG games that made me feel in it and quenched my thirst would be nice. Sorry for the tanger, but hearing about Tag Force just reminded me of happier times.
@@vullord666 Oh yeah, there's so much potential content about the monsters and events featured in all the artwork, it's weird they still use the manga/anime as main advertisement.
PSP days ✊🏻
Yata is the last of the Chaos Dragon combo that hasn't been touched, and personally I'd prefer it that way so it doesn't suffer like Chaos dragon did.
Just watch Konami completely kill Yata with an errata like: "Your opponent must have 4 more or cards in their hand to resolve this effect."
@@Weareonenation303 As I actually played in chaos yata format way back in the day, I honestly REALLY never want this card off the banlist. There were people in my meta that used the basic chaos deck form and added drop off and other effects that denied you cards and that was with a much smaller card pool than you have today, with a pool so much larger than it was this becomes more actually doable than back then. The utter futility of the yata lock was so very VERY annoying that I still slow burn today.
@@eonaon6914 yata is what is often called a "win more" card
its worthless if ur behind
but if ur ahead itll guarentee your win
Yata just was taken off the ban list.....
@@eonaon6914 o
The funniest thing about saying "prevent it from being used as Link Material" is that when Konami invents the next extra deck mechanic all those cards will instantly become broken and need to be banned again
Hopefully, Link would be the last.
At some point, they just need to future proof and say it cannot be used as "material" without specifying what type.
instead they need ot specific what the tokens can be used for, instead of what they arent usable for.
Just give it the restriction of the only being able to summon Syncros the turn you use the effect, like how Junk Speeder works.
It would be kinda shocking if Yata-Garasu were to be unbanned and people started to play it again in decks that could benefit from its effect but that’s not going to happen
It could happen it’s just highly unlikely
@@Jc-wz2yh Yeah
@@rainbowdragon168 so broken
@@Jc-wz2yh um ok….
@@rainbowdragon168 I don’t play yugioh
3:10 I think you're misreading dandylion's effect: it doesn't matter how it hits the GY for its effect to trigger, i.e. it does not need to hit the field first. Having dandylion in the hand makes for excellent discard fodder due to link shenanigans, which is much easier than a special summon imo.
It was super popular in the chaos lightsworn synchro decks too. Because guess what happened when Dandy got milled? It was always a nutburgers card.
Anime version is funny.
It has to be destroyed by battle to get tokens making it unbearable slow
In tag force you had to use it summon shooting star dragon in 1 turn
@@Magna_Dragon For memes can get out Majestic Star Dragon with one for one and Debris Dragon turn 1 in Tag Force 4. Again thats a meme. Also its Tag Force 5 for Shooting Star. Tag Force 6, its much easier using Tech Genus engine then Dandylion but gets the job done
He mentions how it can pop it's effect regardless of how it's sent to the grave in the first 30 secs of the vid
I love the backwards approach to card or set design in Yugioh. "We can't make this card because another card that already exists would break it". "Lol just ban that other card. We're here to make people buy the new sets."
yeah they go the lazy approach to ban instead of balancing their own freaking game
@@EduardoWeidmanBarijan I mean the funny part to me is how it would be incredibly embarrassing to 99% of other companies and Konami is like "eh the bans will fix it"
Do you know how limiting it is to card design when you disallow the designers to ban cards? Imagine being unable to make a fun mechanic just because one card made years ago before this idea was even conceived would absolutely break it and being unable to do anything about it. Fun is always more important than balance (especially as balance is there to serve the game being fun). It’s fine to ban cards when it’s for the sake of balance. It is important to not rely on such a thing because constantly banning cards isn’t fun either. Though yes, Konami definitely takes the utter piss out of banning cards at times and are probably the most infamous for it. Ironically, there’s a balance to this as well.
@@MrZer093 Future proofing isn't easy. No offense but this seems a lot like "the hard way to design something is hard" in a nutshell. The incredible frequency and lack of foresight in designs that are identified as problematic by the community in days shows me that Konami generally doesn't care. It's not that they care 0% but they definitely aren't worried about making mistakes especially when they have the ability to make a solution in the next set but that model feels abusive and is my number 1 reason for not getting into the game. For example, I can almost excuse the 1st wave of link bans that were preemptive but I can't excuse things like Halq. The problem that I have is that they've made similar mistakes so often that it stops feeling like a mistake and more like negligence or intentional problems
@@MrZer093 I think they really needed to make a new game around the new mechanics. Same as they did now with Rush Duels. But they are afraid to lose "appeal" it seems
I'm so old I still remember the disbelief and buzz when the banned list came out for the first time. A whole lot of people were upset, having spent tons of money on Yata Garasu and Chaos Emperor Dragon back then. I remember the old beatdown with La Jinn, and I think I quit sometime in 2005, before I graduated high school.
I miss Level Eater. I love the Labradorite Dragon Syncro deck and how it opened the door to some of the coolest Syncro monsters that most people would pass on like Underground Arachnid.
Future Duellogs: OK Done with explaining the Banlist. (Outro): I would love suggestions in the comments
(Sees explain the Limited Cards): Huh , yeah let's do that. And afterwards only explaining future Banlists
He said something about explaining the previous ban lists.
I always wondered why black hole and monster reborn were banned. But raigeki wasn't.
Same as heavy storm, some monsters wanted to be destroyed.
@@warcriminalyes When was there a time that Raigeki was Limited but Dark Hole was banned? I have been in and out of the game at times but can't recall a time such a thing happened. Heavy Storm's issue is also the fact that you can use a floodgate or 2 to stop your opponent from making their plays and then when you're ready to make your own, you can just wipe out your own floodgates while also getting rid of your opponent's back row.
@@ShiningJudgment666 I don't know about the tcg. But in most video games pre xyz. Those cards were on limited or completely banned but the damn raigeki was free. It was a complete bsht in terms of fairness before zombies and floodgates became popular
Funny how magical scientist only appeared 3 times in your top 10 s and Made it #1 in all of them. More infamous than spellbook, brilliant fusion, etc.
Also, top 10 banned cards to be fixed with a hard once per turn
Its really hard for a card to top magical scientist if it shows up in the parameters of a list video
Link mechanic is responsible for almost the entire banlist, shows how dumb, stupid and easy it is
That shows why unrestricted mechanics is not good for the overall game pace, but Konami still allows it. If the formats were like "tribute only, synchro only" etc, the cards wouldn't be banned at all. Banning them is to make it easy to counter for future card releases. That is just lazy on my opinion. You gotta take responsibility of your own game
I'm glad Xyz never allowed Tokens as materials.
The Link mechanic is the biggest mistake Konami has ever made, even more than the Pendulum mechanic. Cards that have been fine for ages suddenly cannot be played any more because anything and everything can be used to spam Link monsters. I just cannot believe they decided to create such an irresponsible mechanic
When Firewall Dragon, the MC's boss monster, got banned while the anime is still ongoing, you know how stupid Link Summon is.
All Link Monsters should be banned from history. They destroyed Yu-Gi-Oh even more than broken Pendulum.
Yeah, I put Dandylion in my plant deck just to try it out and its effect was insane to link into or synchro summon monsters. I can see why it’s banned. But nowadays you can run three evil thorns and achieve a similar effect. Summon Evil Thorn, tribute it to burn for 300, summon two more, make Aromaseraphy Jasmine with those two. And if you have Primula the Rikka Fairy and/or Rose girl in hand when you tribute the Evil Thorn that’s just even more free summons, not to mention that its burn effect puts you at more lp than your opponent on turn 1, which if you run some Aroma monsters gives you even more effects to play with. The downside to evil thorn is that you have to run 3 and if you have two in your opening hand or your opponent has an Ash Blossom ready to go then you’re out of luck on this strat.
I always figured Konsmi would never take Yata off the ban list because if you were ever to Yata lock someone the game could take 40+ turns to end and in an event were games have time limits it would make the games take forever since they can't force someone to surrender a game just image how long a best of 3 would take.
In a modern game the Yata player could keep drawing cards and special summoning stuff in addition to Yata, though, so they'd probably end the match a lot quicker than that.
Bro, nowaday's META game allow you to summon monsters without using your normal summon, and most META decks have GY effects.
@@teddyhaines6613 if you play them.... I would imagine a deck build around doing a yata lock work for go cards they can SS and maximum draw power/ slash ways to get to Yata.
@@dantesparda4610 yes most have effects that they can use immediately not two turns from when they put it in the grave
Mystic Mine: Am I a joke to you?
So, got an idea for a new list, that being "Top 10 non-Banned cards that could be errata to released cards from the Ban list." Cards like that Crystron link monster could be errata to require a WATER Machine Tuner for its Summon, and only Summon a WATER Machine Tuner from the Deck. That would limit it to the Deck it supposed to work with, and get a number of Tuners off the list.
Yeah, that card seems to be a poster boy for causing other cards to end up on the ban list.
Basically "cards that got other cards banned", then. Could be a good one.
@@MasterofLaziness Not exactly. This would refine the list to cards that could reasonably be errata to remove cards from the list, rather than just the ones they could ban to remove cards.
Halq was clearly intended to work in every deck that needs 2+ Tuners to play, as we can see from its highly generic Summoning conditions and effect.
I don’t get why people don’t like it. Halq’s existence enables many rogue decks to play the game, and it isn’t broken.
@@cephalosjr.1835 Saying Halq isn't broken when it's reasonable for so many banned cards is like saying Red-Eyes decks are meta because of Dragoon.
It’s been 18 years
Everyone’s Childhood Trauma is now coming back, and no one’s gonna use it.
I just wanted to say that I’ve barely played Yu-Gi-Oh but your videos are amazingly straight to the point and easy to watch. I love your videos bro keep it up
Bonus: Level Eater had been banned in the OCG quite a long time before Link Monster came out. The reason is PSY-Framelord Omega and the degenerate DARK Synchro Deck that ended with a Shooting Quasar, a Crystal Wing and 3-4 handloops, or in the worst case scenario 3 Omega that slowly regen your resources.
So it was banned in late 2016, with Omega Limited.
Another fix for Level Eater, it could lock you out of link summons for the rest of the turn if you special summon it, that way you can still make Synchro climbs and otherwise. It just wouldn't let you do any links, the other fix in addition would be to prevent the monsters summoned using it as material to not be able to be used as link material. That or it could just lock you into Synchro summons for the rest of the turn if you activate its special summon effect.
It could be given a restriction. Like they did with makyura.
Guys its simple just errata it so it can be only used for a synchro summon and boom you fix the card don't even have to give it a once per turn at all
Sees Yata-Garasu: *now this will be interesting*
With regards to Yata, I'm going to echo something that was mentioned either in Progression or in History of Yugioh - Yata has stayed banned, not strictly because of its power level, but because it enables unfun game states and would be the subject of every little monster's new handlock deck.
Whether that would actually be a problem in the competitive scene? There's only one way to find out...
YATA GARASU, lives once again...
Hot take: Yata-Garasu could come back to Unlimited without any erratum and nobody would give a shit.
I feel like they should solve a lot of issues by just making a ruling that any monster or token that cannot be tributed also cannot be used for link plays
There are so many obscure rulings already, we don’t need more. More than half of the monsters on the ban list could be fixed with a hard once per turn.
@@MorePower8679 I dont think link summoning being considered a form of tributing when like every card basically was designed like it already was considered tributing balance wise would really be some super unintuitive design here. even other forms of summoning like XYZ never allowed tokens to be used, so they could quite literally just say you cant use tokens for link summons and that solves most of the problem cards too, if you want to worry about consistent rulings between mechanics.
Except that’d be a hard nerf to links as a whole, which they won’t allow until they want to force you into buying the next mechanic (*cries in MR4*)
6:31
The funny thing is that GC and DD had a format where they were unbanned, yet a dogshit card like Yata hasn't been given a shot
And that format was GOAT Format
Yata likely won't ever get a chance as long as any form of hand looping or hand breaking exists. You would probably literally need to ban every single card that discards a card from your opponents hand for Yata to be able to come back and not be a problem. It would still punish non-conservative play though and probably still be degenerate as even with every 'discard a card from your opponent's hand'-like effect gone, you'd literally just need to force your opponent to expend all their resources and then drop Yata on them and unless they can outlast the damage they take, they lose.
@@ShiningJudgment666
Hand ripping is so non-existent in this game, to the point people are forced to use a -1 trap card to touch the opponents hand at all
@@maskofthedragon Trickstar Reincarnation + Droll & Lock Bird I'm pretty sure can enable that as the former isn't a hard once per turn. There's also the Gottoms loop that Virtual Worlds can still do. Don't believe either are that consistent though. The fact that it promotes such play is problematic.
@@ShiningJudgment666 the damage is the least of it. itslike the videos states: if someone drops yata on you you need ot have an immediateresponse ot prevent its effect from gonig off....otherwise you are NEVER gonna be able ot out it.
Hahahahaha I love how you explain things in these videos. It’s so well thought but slightly out dated.
They actually took Yata off the banned list and it has all the tools to play how it did back in the OG days. I can’t wait to build my old yata lock deck with all the new cards lol
Imagine the shenanigans you could do today with Magical Scientist and its banned friends. Make a Cherubini to search Dandylion then loop Norden and Dandylion for link fodder.
Cimo's progression series showed that Magical Scientist is perhaps most powerful in later formats as a one-card engine to build multiple Xyz monsters.
@@EinDose Magical scientist sucked before synchro though right?
@@shinygiveaways1920 I'm not aware of a lot of testing around Magical Scientist in the eras after its ban, but it's only useful in really swing-y OTK situations. I can imagine it would find little use in the GX era because of it; just no real purpose for it at the time. I can only imagine it'd be lackluster in the synchro era, too. No real use for vomiting out a bunch of low-level fusion monsters that wouldn't be better served by more legitimate strategies.
...come to think of it, I'm actually not sure what Magical Scientist might've been intended for at the time. FTKs aren't it, and its summons are too low-level for it to be an emergency board-breaker to knock over beaters like a Blue-Eyes. They can't attack direct, so it's not a 'push for game' situation...
@@EinDose
Sorry in advance if I didn't read your comment properly but um...you said Magical Scientist wasn't used for FTKs and wasn't useful in the GX era...are you by any chance unaware of the Magical Scientist FTK that involves Catapult Turtle?
If you are, then your reply doesn't make much sense, unless you're talking about using MS without Catapult Turtle...but why wouldn't people do that if CT is available at 3?
In the Synchro era he could still be used in the FTK but also can help in summoning very high level Synchros
@@totalwartimelapses6359 Yeah, you misread. I'm saying that reasonably speaking Magical Scientist is ONLY useful for OTKs. He only lived to see Catapult Turtle, but reasonably if it was instead Catapult Turtle that got banned for that, Scientist would've gone on to fit into others. I'm just not sure of anyone's really labbed him in the GX era; I only know of some scary combos in the Xyz era.
I do think he reasonably could've been used to make some big Synchros in that era, but he would actually be limited by Tuners; at that time I actually believe he couldn't have made a Synchro solo (Sea Monster of Theseus released in 2017). Meaning that he couldn't be a one-card engine like he could with Catapult Turtle or Link/Xyz monsters; you could still use him, but he wouldn't be so top-of-his-class, he'd have competition.
After 17 Long Years, The Spirit Bird Is Finally Free.
Wouldn't a clause "you can't use this card for link summoning" be a better fix for level eater?
Yes this
All of the Tuners banned because of Halquifibrax would be fixed with it
Another option I can think of is giving it a cost. Like the one they did with makyura. Kill te viability of repeating with a once per turn/duel AND a banishing after activating the effect
Always love these type of videos, explained why they’re banned and if they should comeback.
Hopefully we get a list of banned cards that can come off the ban list with a hard once per turn,I'd def would love to see that
I think changing the text on substitoad so that it's quite literally just lone-fire for frogs would be a better way of balancing it.
Make it so it has to tribute itself, but it's a soft once per turn instead of a hard once per turn.
It's already not a Frog monster, so it can't summon another copy of itself. That alone limits it's potential if it has to tribute itself. But if you can find a way to summon multiple copies, then it becomes pretty powerful, but not broken.
Yata is responsible for the horrors that happened to Chaos Emperor Dragon...
yata is just bidding its time till some deck figures out how ot take advantage of it.
(effectively limitng card design space)
- Dandylion can also be sent to the GY by Cherubini
- Yata Garasu is a wind that can trigger Divine Wind of the Mist Valley
- Magical Scientist can Summon Rhongomyniad with 5 materials
Or in my opinion to fix level eater, it can either only be trivuted for a tribute summon, or used as a material for a synchro summon. Since, you know, it was designed with that in mind.
Yata is extremely bad, it should go to 3. Remember his effect only revolves if you manage to attack. The amount of resources that you need to do that is the same that you need to make a OTK, so instead of winning with Yata Lock, you just OTK. In the past to make an OTK was very difficult, but now there is a lot decks that can do that.
One should more ask themselves why it should get unbanned tho. Does it make certain decks better or make gameplay quality better? Not really, it just enables some stupid unhealthy gamestate that nobody would want to be in, even if it would never happen in modern yugioh. It's just one less card Konami has to worry about being abused when they print new cards. So it's completely fine on the banlist. No one would profit from it anyways.
@@slenderman4788 I guess this is true. Nobody would celebrate if Yata gets unbanned.
I don’t know about three copies, but maybe one to test the water. If at three, it might be too easy to use Dark Hole then summon Yata-Garasu, but that the same time, it seems rare for someone to not have a negate effect on standby mode. I would not be surprised if Yata-Garasu would require your opponent to have a certain number of cards in the hand, not not activate that effect if you summon other monsters.
@@alexanderrobins7497 the main problem if you manage to do that, then you should able to do a OTK instead.
Great summary on yata. There really is no positive reason to unban the card, either it doesn't see play or it goes back to being one of the worst ways to lose the game. Honestly its not the most powerful card of all time, but it might be the most degenerate.
yaya by itself is not that important. its not even that good of a card.
the problem is that when the game hits a position where you can get a favorable game state for Yata, it becomes a strategy with no possible out.
Yata being so bad, that no deck would play it is an argument to take it off the banlist, tough. If the card is bad now, it has no reson to be on the banlist in the first place. And if it still would be too good they can still place it back on the banlist.
The only deck that would play that dumpster juice of a Normal Summon is probably Shinobird and they dont see play at all.
@@RinaShinomiyaVal Floundereeze might play it, but Yata would only be the icing on the cake for them
Magical scientist does have a wider selection of monsters to choose from then instant fusion. If brought back at a hard once per turn it will still see play. It will also compliment instant fusion
Huh, i didn't know level eater was banned. I haven't seen it played since the synchro days and just assumed it had been power crept.
Link monsters changed a lot of things including breaking older otherwise terrible or balanced cards like Grinder Golem which wasn't created with Link monsters in mind.
To think that Yata garasu is finally unbanned just 5 months after this video, something i never thought would happen
the one thing I would love to see is legitimately a version of the modern game even if it's in say a video game form where you could actually play with the old versions of cards. Not talking older formats but actually seeing what some of the combinations between older cards and newer cards would be.
You can play without a banlist on YGO Pro, and you can (with a lot of effort) make custom cards in that game - so you could restore cards to their original effects and play them there.
@@BloodfelX I know but it would be nice for Konami to at least have one official way for people to enjoy things like that. And yes I'm aware that's never going to happen but could you imagine if it did and how fun it could be.
Do you mean like traditional format? It does exist, on that format banned cards are actually limited (you can't use pre errata cards as far as I know)
They make official tournaments of traditional format, and best decks are pure zoo and orcust
@@BloodfelX Also Duelingbook, but that’s manual.
@@marco4317 I remember when traditional format was actually created, (yeah been playing for that long) but no I'm talking about a format where you could see how some of the old versions of cards and how they might have interacted with new cards. For example Witch being a non once per turn effect that would still let you summon the card. Think how would that have impacted the modern game, would it still see play or not. Some of the more broken cards I agree might have been needed but having the ability to still play them in that unbroken form an official way would be fun even in a video game.
I also have tried speed running legacy of the duelist link evolution and it's actually a little wired with a few cards that were changed just after the last update or just before the last update ao that some decks actually require different cards or play entirely different due to it. Heck just a little after that update whatever the creature is that lets you get to use multiple traps from your hand was changed so it could only use one yet it's still unchanged while others have been.
Exodia is the fastest no banlist deck but if exchange of the Spirit was still its original version that one is 10x faster just due to abusing painful choice and other cards.
17:42 That "Hard No" was straight out of Letterkenney. Pitter patter ya degens. Yous always makes greats videos on banned cards TheDuelLogs, and that's whats I appreciates abouts you.
To this day I still get PTSD flashbacks of the yata lock
I'm still kind of bitter about level eater. My go to deck was synchro focussed and, on a good day, i could abuse a level eater/ quillbolt hedgehog/ quickdraw combo to a good degree. Best part is, otherwise my deck (though admittedly not the best) outside of eater and wall of revealing light was never banned
18:00 There is a weaker version of “Magical Scientist” called “Ready Fusion”.”Ready Fusion” is a spell card thats have same effects as “Magical Scientist” but it can only Special Summon 1 Level 6 or lower non-Effect Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck.Secondly that Fusion Monster whom Special Summoned by its effect can’t attack and it will be destroyed during your End Phase and finally this card has a hard once per turn.
Ready fusion is just weaker instant fusion bruh
I wasn't expecting for you to talk about Yata Garasu so soon
9:18 As of May 17, 2022, it's now limited to 1.
3:27 it's hilarious to me that all 3 of those monsters are mentioned in the same sentence, and those happen to be the 3 monsters I used the exact same recording with text-to-speech to dub over the names in my "why these cards are banned in as few words as possible" shorts.
I went in alphabetical order, so I actually did gofu first, the dubbed over it for dandylion, then dubbed over that for grinder golem. I thought it was funny, but sadly I don't think anyone really noticed.
Just saw you in the Ori stream chat, did not expect you to pop up in a Hololive stream lol, just wanted to say your Yugioh videos are always fun and interesting to watch! Keep it up!
Funny thing is that Yata would do jack shit in the modern game if it was legal. It's Konami fear mongering about potential abuse, same reason why Tribe was banned for so many years despite huge power creep.
Yata wasn't doing anything back then either. Yata is a finisher after you made tyour actual plays, and it will probably be able to pull that off forever. Unless the released a better way to lock the opponent out of their draw phase that i am not aware of.
Level eater can be unbanned by add text”cannot be used as link material”
Honestly, if Yata-Garasu was unbanned, I could see it in decks that can get additional normal summons, like Vampires.
Don’t forget the new birbs!
I just want to say, I don't thing banning specific cards is the best way to prevent card abuse. In some/many cases, banning cards can completely gut other, more reasonable decks or at least hurt them significantly. I believe the proper way to do bans is to ban card combinations. Let them use the proposed card, just don't let them use it in conjunction with the other one that enables the broken mechanic/abuse. In example, the old Elma OTK : Don't ban Butterfly Dagger ( some might be unaware, there was actually a pseudo-archetype based off of this series of cards and it benefited greatly from Elma) just ban having Butterfly Dagger in your deck with Magical Library, that way the card can still see use, but not abuse. But that doesn't mean remove all bans on specific cards; you would still need to ban individual cards that are just straight up broken.
i would love to see level eater back with the restriction it cant be used as link material
synchro decks where fun to duel against
I can’t be the only 1 waiting for a pendulum version of this series for like Astrograph sorcerer etc
Nice video Hiru!
Favorite series on the platform
I never used Yata-Garasu back in the day, so I didn't understand why it was banned, until you explained it.
Fusion, Synchro, XYZ, Pendulums
The 4 summons lived together in harmony, and then the link monsters attacked.
Rest in peace Yata Lock. Now that Yata is back, I hope someone can find a way to guarantee it again
Honestly, I feel like Yata-Garasu's only still banned out of inertia, and the overall speed and power of the game has left it way behind.
There's just no compelling reason to unban it. It doesn't help anybody anyways and is just yet another thing they need to consider when making new cards.
I remember back in the day having like 2 or 3 other duelists besides me who were actually running yata garasu and we did have quite a few duels where is it decided the game OR was way too late so the opponent ran out of cards before killing his opponent xD those sweet sweet times
so those players had absolutely zero ways to special summon in their deck? No monster reborn, premature burial, call of the haunted, chaos monster, maurauding captain, rock spirit, etcetcetc? stop lying.
The main thing I like about playing digital card games so much like LoR is so many of these cards could just be fixed with simple nerfs/wording changes, but because erratas arent done too much they get banned.
Video idea: Top 10 archetypes that improved the game. Stuff like gishkis changing the way ritual cards are treated, harpie ladies running beta tests for archetypes as we know them today, etc.
Maybe a better name would be Top 10 Most Impactful Archetypes.
I feel like too many cards would be fixed by Hard Once Per Turns. There’s gotta be a more creative and less annoying fix for banned cards.
I recently got back into Yu-Gi-Oh after being out of the game since 5Ds-era and was trying to build my old Synchro deck on Master Duel. I got really confused when I saw that Level Eater was banned, because although it had always been pretty strong, it was a bulk common which was nowhere near the power level of most banned, or even restricted or semi-restricted cards. I then proceeded to play my first game, got OTK-d by a Cyberse Link deck which brought out 4 monsters with between 2300 and 5700 attack on turn 1 because it kept resummoning cards that I didn't even have time to read. It was at that moment that I realised 1- why Level Eater would have broken the game, and 2- that I was not going to enjoy my experience on Master Duel.
As a former player, I have a question for those who have been playing continually since GX or before: have Pendulum and Link monsters actually improved the game (IE: made it more fun) or have they just turned the game into a d***-measuring contest between who can pull off the most broken combo on turn 1?
just keep watching these vids, much more fun.
I love watching your videos. It’s the only reason I got back into yugioh this year
"Can Substitoad be unbanned? The answer to this one is another hard NO."
I'll take "Comments that have aged well" for $200. To be fair though, I don't know how powerful the unban will be without Ronintoadin.
9:00 there's a way, a very situational and specific way that you may win against it, your opponent don't lower your lp fast enough and runs out of cards thus cannot draw and you win
The destiny hero malicious and level eater link combo is nasty.
Tokens can get a general ruling that they can't be used as link materials. For yata can get errata that it can't activate it's effect during the turn you activate effects other than yata's. Level eater can get the errata that it can't also be used as link material. Besides of hard once per turn, give also to scientist that the fusion can't be tributed.
"fixing" links as a whole doesnt need ot have that.
the entire problem of the link emchanic si the existance of Link 1 monsters that enable you to create advantage out of effectivly nothing.
Yata is not alone in a deck even back then with a very inconsistent combo (ced) was a problem and not for that combo in particular, today's strategies and archtypes could make yata even more powerfull, some people who lacks imagination and only see a card as it is can't realize how broken and unfair yata really is.
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
your next video could be top ten traps that can either special its self or special summon other monsters by banishing it self.from the grave
Funny thing about Magical Scientist, They Kinda Already did fix the card with Retort Fusion.
Sees yata me crying that it is still banned even though it probably doesn't need to be anymore
Whoo, older school cards! I was waiting for this :)
As a frog player, Substitoad would absolutely see play in Frog decks, it’s a 1-card Toadally awesome. The biggest issue with frogs is that you don’t have enough highly playable monsters, getting extra copies of Swap (which is what you’d realistically use this card as) is incredible.
Like worst case scenario this card is a 4th copy of Swap Frog, which any frog player will tell you is absolutely nuts
i think a better way to errata Level Eater would be to prevent it from being used as link matterial, since the card is pretty fine with synchros using it
that's basically the jjist of it.
once levle eater is used, the owner is locked into synchros for the rest of the turn.
i would love it if you made a video on the limited/ forbidden list for Yugioh Duel Links, as their limited mechanic is way more restrictive to the point that you can't have more than 2 cards in a deck that are on the limited 2 list. theres even a limited 3 list, which actually completely killed off Lunalights, since 2 of the level 4 monsters where put on the limitted 3 list at the same time, and since you can only have 3 limit 3 cards in your deck, you had to juggle between wanting to have 2 of 1 card and 1 of the other card.
You could change Yata garasu to shuffle itself into the deck the end phase after it attacked
who's here after yatas been unbanned.
It's strange seeing it happen fellas.
not a single mention of Frog the Jam :'(
Dandylion and Level can be unbanned with the clause of them not being used as link materia(tokens in dandylions case)l, both of them were fine in some niche decks such as synchro spam. Yata not being able to used back to back while weird would somewhat fix it as your opponent will have to endure a turn but has a small chance. Magicial scientist and subsitoad being HOPT, in scientist case might also wanna add an effect negate just to be safe
I think they don't want to reprint old cards with erratas and that is why they keep them in the ban list. But it could be fixed like in the rules itself. They could say all cards have a "once per turn" effect if not listed. That is my 2 cents
For Yata you could also make it so it also gains another effect when normal summoned or flipped face up where it cannot be normal summoned during your next turn. This way you can't forever lock an opponent out of their draw, at least not with Yata. You could probably do something weird for the turns where you can't summon Yata but imagine the effort and probably lack of consistency it'd take for that.
I think Level Eater could come off the banlist, if it got added a condition that says "You cannot Special Summon Monsters from the Extra Deck, except Synchro Summon, the turn you activate this card's effect". So it can be used as intended according to anime
Would you consider doing a "Broken combos" list? On YGOPro, showing step by step broken combos of the past and how they worked? It would be interesting as someone who hasn't dueled around those era's
In Ocg, level eater was banned at 2016. I believe that is before link monsters. It is used in a dark synchro deck, which use TG hyper librarians and can make 3 psy framelord omega in one turn.
It's kinda nuts how they didn't just make effects a hard once per turn unless stated otherwise on the card. Seems like a lot of the problems with effects are either not thinking about future proofing, or not having the space to add the once per turn rule on cards.
As a person whose been on the receiving end of the yata lock with guardian sphinx back in the day I'm glad that it is still on the ban list
For Yata if they added the condition of no spec summons at all the turn it comes out
That way the controller has their own time limit before decking out
How many cards could be fixed with a once per turn? All of them. If I could propose one thing in the next master rules (6?) It would be that all cards, unless otherwise stated already, are treated as having a once per turn clause.
Level eater could get out of the banlist if you errata the csrd to say "after you use this effect you can only special summon synchro monsters from the extradeck for the rest of the turn" because if you change it to once per turn you kill it for the synchro decks
Would love to hear about top 10 current strong decks that are being played now, don't know if you have done one of those already.
One way to fix dandy imo is to reword it so that it can miss timing
Other idea to limit Substitoad's effect: make the summoned Frog unable to be tributed for card effects the turn its summoned.
they already "fixed" substitoad: by releasing Tradetoad.
The spirit deck using shinobaron maybe can use yata, if you return all monsters with shinobaron can ss yata in your hand to skip the draw phase, with shinobaroness actually u can ss it from the deck but she return spells so u need the 2 rituals, also with nikitama u can search it from the deck, u will not win the duel cuz the barons retun to hand but is a free -1, probably using amano iwato is better but is a way to use it (ss with the barons ignores the spirit disadventages and dont let the card go to your hand).
Sorry if i misspell something, my english is bad