Thanks for honoring my freedom of speech. If anyone is asked the question ... "Do you believe that the universe was created" ... and that person answers "Yes" ... that is not science. That is religion. Religion pretends to know what is SUPER-natural. Science sticks with what is natural.
@@davidevans1723 My point is, that to believe that the universe was created ... requires a creator ... or what some people refer to as a god ... and that belief is delving in the imaginary supernatural... while to believe (for instance) that the universe and electricity "always" existed ... cuts the idea of a creator right out of the picture ... meaning that science is natural. Sorry, if the first time, I didn't explain my point of view well enough to be understood.
@@junevandermark952 If you like the idea of cutting ideas such as " Creation" out of the picture . . . then welcome to it. Cut out as much as you please. Your loss.
@@piehound By me not believing that the universe was created ... what do think I would be "losing?" When I still believed in a creator ... I could never believe that the creator would create souls that it knew ahead of time it was going to ultimately punish for being evil ... unless the creator itself was evil. You and I both know full well that if we had the power to create a universe ... suffering would not exist. Otherwise we couldn't BE considered as being PERFECT ... and we certainly wouldn't demand that our subjects should worship us. "Given a choice between creating humans who will suffer for eternity and not creating the human race … I would simply not create them." Author … Mike Siler
@@piehound I relate to the words of Mark Twain … GOD … a God who could make good children as easily as bad, yet preferred to make bad ones; who could have made every one of them happy, yet never made a single happy one; who made them prize their bitter life, yet stingily cut it short; who gave his angels eternal happiness unearned, yet required his other children to earn it; who gave his angels painless lives, yet cursed his other children with biting miseries and maladies of mind and body; who mouths justice, and invented hell--mouths mercy, and invented hell--mouths Golden Rules and forgiveness multiplied by seventy times seven, and invented hell; who mouths morals to other people, and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man's acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself; and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites his poor abused slave to worship him! -No. 44, The Mysterious Stranger Mark Twain
Ask and you shall received
With me it's ask and you shall LOST. As in get lost.
Thanks for honoring my freedom of speech.
If anyone is asked the question ... "Do you believe that the universe was created" ... and that person answers "Yes" ... that is not science. That is religion.
Religion pretends to know what is SUPER-natural. Science sticks with what is natural.
I'm struggling to see your point
@@davidevans1723 My point is, that to believe that the universe was created ... requires a creator ... or what some people refer to as a god ... and that belief is delving in the imaginary supernatural... while to believe (for instance) that the universe and electricity "always" existed ... cuts the idea of a creator right out of the picture ... meaning that science is natural.
Sorry, if the first time, I didn't explain my point of view well enough to be understood.
@@junevandermark952 If you like the idea of cutting ideas such as " Creation" out of the picture . . . then welcome to it. Cut out as much as you please. Your loss.
@@piehound By me not believing that the universe was created ... what do think I would be "losing?"
When I still believed in a creator ... I could never believe that the creator would create souls that it knew ahead of time it was going to ultimately punish for being evil ... unless the creator itself was evil.
You and I both know full well that if we had the power to create a universe ... suffering would not exist. Otherwise we couldn't BE considered as being PERFECT ... and we certainly wouldn't demand that our subjects should worship us.
"Given a choice between creating humans who will suffer for eternity and not creating the human race … I would simply not create them." Author … Mike Siler
@@piehound I relate to the words of Mark Twain … GOD … a God who could make good children as easily as bad, yet preferred to make bad ones; who could have made every one of them happy, yet never made a single happy one; who made them prize their bitter life, yet stingily cut it short; who gave his angels eternal happiness unearned, yet required his other children to earn it; who gave his angels painless lives, yet cursed his other children with biting miseries and maladies of mind and body; who mouths justice, and invented hell--mouths mercy, and invented hell--mouths Golden Rules and forgiveness multiplied by seventy times seven, and invented hell; who mouths morals to other people, and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man's acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself; and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites his poor abused slave to worship him!
-No. 44, The Mysterious Stranger
Mark Twain