I get why long time fans dislike MGSV but god damn, as my first MGS game I loved it, some of the best 'gameplay' in a game in the last 10 years and I'm sad we won't get more of it.
I am a long time MGS fan, and I looove MGS V - it is probably my favourite game. Yes, it is a bit unfinished. A few of those plot lines lead to nowhere and the story in general wasn't as coherent as for example in MGS1 or MGS3. But the gameplay - MY GOSH THE GAMEPLAY🤯🤯🤯. Also the controls. And it has content for months (in my case: years). And on the technical side: smooth 60 fps on PS4 in an open world game.😊👍🏻
so in the ripe old year of 1994 I had an NES, the SNES was all the rage but we couldn't afford it. I saved up for 2 years to buy a ps1, I was 11. so I didn't save up shit lol. but eventually I got there and MGS1 was the first game I bought. I remember how big of a fucking deal MGS2 was with the PS2 launch. the demo was the most insane thing. yeah, that's where that sentence should end. IT WAS CRAZY FAM. all of this to say, well there's MGS3 and MGS4, also 10/10's, no matter, all of this, to say, MGSV is an incredible video game, it's a 10. ridiculous story beats because 5 games of this is ridiculous, mixed with "yo you wanna do that?" "hell yeah you can totally do that" gameplay. chef's kiss
Yeah the story is rough but what Kojima story is honestly "good." The game play is unapologetically unique, just letting you PLAY in the world and it easily is my favorite MGS game. It gives you so much agency.
MGSV certainly can be enjoyed by new fans, because the quality of the gameplay is capable of carrying the entire game, but the story only truly works with the context of the other games. I'm a long time fan of the franchise and MGSV is a masterpiece in both gameplay and story in my opinion. Admittedly you can see some minor cracking at the seams, but the fact that MGSV ended up as rich and polished as it did despite the troubled development cycle is a testament to the talent of Kojima Productions. The selective criticism about cut content is so strange to me, because it either points to a lack of understanding of game production or to double standards. Virtually every game has cut content. In most cases people are simply unaware of it. Sure the Eli ark is unresolved, but so are many other aspects of the franchise, before and after MGSV. Trying to answer every open question and tie up every narrative thread was never gonna happen in a franchise that spans 50 years of story. Taking the main themes of the franchise into account, it's kinda ironic that a meme around the lack of definitive and objective answers to every open question has spread and become the biggest criticism of the final game. Isla's presentation is a good example of groupthink influencing ones worldview. Complaining about an unfinished game, while not having finished the game is a perfect display of a presenting a second hand opinion as your own. Like often with Kojima's games, everything that happens around the game, including pre-release hype, expectations and even the criticism only seems to underline the key points these games are trying to make. That's not to say the game can't be criticised. I could probably come up with many more criticisms than most haters do, because I actually paid attention instead of simply parroting other people's criticisms, but when I play Metal Gear, I'm not looking for a perfect game. Perfection is boring and can only be achieved if ambition is scaled back sufficiently and Metal Gear games are nothing if not ambitious. I prefer to focus on the things we've got instead of the ones we didn't get. Viewing anything through the latter lense would always end up in disappointment. The selective use of that lense is absolutely fascinating though.
I loved BRAD'S presentation. I loved how blunt and unrelenting he was here. Telling chat to "shutup" and "you need a fking reality check" is the unapologetic personality of EZA that I fell in love with back in 2016. Hints of Ben Moore/ Kyle Bosman.
Nope. Brad's presentation was garbage incoherent yelling. Dude couldn't make a proper argument against the game so he just screamed and yelled at chat the whole time. If it were Ben or Kyle they'd have actually given a good argument. Brad acted like an immature child the entire time by telling chat to shut up if they liked the game.
@@davecurtis86 Such a bad take. After years of working with her, you think they fear her? They're all co-owners. If they weren't happy with Gabby joining, they could just leave, but they clearly all enjoy and have fun with her around.
Conglaturations to Vampire Rain for being one of the very first instances where EA couldn't find a proper quality alpha transparent .PNG image of the title/logo.
About Brad's pick (Nuts n Bolts), what would have been cooler would have been if there were 8-9 worlds, but Mumbo Jumo gives you a unique vehicle instead of a transformation. In one world you could have a racecar, while in another you could get a crane. Unlike transformations, you could have used these vehicles in any world and hub once you acquired them, leading to platforming chalenges for jiggies ;)
Don is a treasure. When everyone is just losing their shit laughing and he is like "No listen to his now..." And says something that Just makes them laugh harder
Am I the only one who gets annoyed that everyone giggles and laughs at Don even when he's being serious and passionate? They act like he's a little kid that did something cute.
Metal Gear Solid V, sheesh. I would have been right there with Isla... 7 years ago, when it came out. But after years of digesting the game as a fan, 2 full playthroughs, multiple discussions, watching and reading essays analysing MGSV, I managed to get over it. More than that, I'm now satisfied with the ending. First of all, it's not like there's nothing there at the end. Some of the best stuff happens in Chapter 2, which can be considered post-endgame content. The epidemic, Quiet's last stand, Zero's recordings - there is some good MGS storytelling and atmosphere right there. I've read an interview where it was stated that the missing chapter was apparently cut VERY early. It wasn't a last minute decision and Konami's intervention. Moreover, while it might have felt essential, it really wasn't. It had little to do with the main story, the ending, and its themes. It was just connective tissue with MGS1, not offering much more. While this might have been PR talk, looking closer at the existing material makes this interpretation very believable. While we can argue all day whether MGSV is finished or not and what does it actually mean to be finished, there is some artistic merit to that ending and the game's structure. It might be an accident, but I believe the weird non-ending WORKS with the themes and the story about a never-ending, pointless war. But the worst part about that pick - to me - is that nothing substantial was said. Isla didn't even get to the ending, just heard about it from others - did I get that right? Now that's some bad criticism... Shaming a game for its "unfinished" ending while never experiencing it? It wasn't even properly described, only that it "just stops" and "doesn't have an ending" which is not true - or rather is not that simple. Sorry if I'm coming across like I'm trying to be mean, that's not what I'm trying to do - call me passionate ;) I get it, believe me, I was there. I'm just disappointed with the lack of substance in that not-so-hot take. Love and respect ;)
Regarding nuts and bolts, Firaxis taught me that if you want to take a franchise in a new directions, do it. But make a second game that gives the fans exactly what they want. Firaxis prime x-com revival game was GOING to be a first person shooter. People were furious until they announced that they were also doing a proper sequel. People were much more willing to give the fps a chance, even though it bombed and nobody remembers it. Always give people a choice. Respect their expectations.
Idea for a game that gets no votes in the Hall of Shame: The person who has brought it in has to do an entire play-through of the game or at least a 2 hours on stream.
WE MUST PROTECT DON AT ALL COSTS!!! I'm only 23 minutes in but god dammit.... Don wins... Wins everything always... No matter what the outcome of the votes lol
Surprised to see Valhalla from Huber. I am quite curious. Why did Huber give Valhalla 8.5 when he reviewed? Did not watch entire video and not planing to do so. Did his opinion change over time? I don't have much opinion about this game. Last Ubisoft game I played was Black Flag.
Most of his points boil down to the game is too big, unmemorable and having terrible DLC. He says he doesn’t hate it (he even says he kinda likes it) but he also said at the beginning that he doesn’t really have any grudges right now. I’m assuming Valhalla is in Huber’s mind because he recently played the final DLC and that burned him pretty badly. So yeah, he’s probably soured on the game since but he doesn’t hate it or anything
Most peoples opinions change over time and I can easily see why Huber would eventually grow sour on Valhalla. Was a right chore of a game, especially for long time fans of the franchise.
Gotta agree with Brad. The first 2 Banjo games were really special. Nuts n’ Bolts had some interesting ideas but didn’t have what most people wanted. Imagine if after waiting years for Kingdom Hearts 3, it was all just gummy ship stuff.
Wrong, and the gummi ship comparison is trash. Nuts & Bolts is a good game, the only problem with it is people expected a traditional platformer for Banjo 3 and it wasn't that. If it were a new IP it would've been praised. Brad sat up there screaming and yelling to chat that they're not allowed to like it because it's shit, meanwhile it's actually a solid game if he was able to just put aside his incoherent immature crying for a second and look past it not being a platformer. There's a lot of great depth to the building aspect of Nuts & Bolts. To call it a garbage game is completely ridiculous.
I think what AC: Valhalla should have done (aside from being a better Assassin's Creed), would be the streamline the gameplay that is available at launch, just have the best parts of it, a tight "start to finish" 20-ish hour game, and then _after_ you complete it, or _after_ they unlock new stuff, they add in a lot of the "more stuff" options, so if you want to keep playing, you have stuff you can do, but if you just want to have a focused experience, they make it clear what is vital to do first off.
Even with the controversy and story stuff MGSV is just too good a game for it be a an entry, Nuts and Bolts is also like a swimming in 7s type of game that got anger mostly because of the genre shift, I remember it being decent at the time if you didn't have an issue with the waning popularity of mascot collectathon platformers.
Watched the VoD on Twitch already and man. I'm gonna preface this by saying I enjoyed it and it this is what you wanna do then that's cool, love and respect. I dunno, I just don't think the format works when it's flipped like this, there's no stakes and the interrogation doesn't mean as much. I appreciate you guys probably get burnt out doing Hall of Greats, but it's a shame to see one of the best shows get swapped out for a worse, negative vibes version a quarter of the time.
Agreed. It's just bad vibes all around. Brad's attitude during his segment and the way he just hated on anyone who said they liked the game in chat was really off-putting to me.
I don't mind this, but I do wish it would be a "special" hall of greats instead of this. Like add a spin to the formula rather than leaning on the bad vibes which is the complete opposite of what people like about the Allies.
I love MGS5, I could care less about the story. The game does last a very long time, but it's still the best stealth action game ever made (along with Splinter Cell Blacklist). MGS 2 and 4 are much more shameful imo.
Love Huber knife-handing emphasis on the boring nature of AC. Ubisoft checking boxes design, paint by numbers, whatever the hell. It's not a game it's a fly trap looking to be enticing on the surface only, calling to the largest group of people to get them all stuck, even if they see others on it.
Isla's pick was absolutely on point. That was one of the most fun games to play I've ever experienced, but the absolute rug pull that takes place partway through the game is so heinous, I did the exact same thing as Isla and stopped playing so it wouldn't further tarnish my experience with it. The fact a studio would ship the game in that form is truly shameful. Like giving someone ice water in the middle of a desert, and then when they were only halfway through drinking it, you slap the glass out of their hand and tell them to drink the rest from the ground. They *should* be ashamed for releasing a game like that, and for their actions that led to it, having demonstrated its own potential and knowingly squandered what they were already capable of doing. and like Isla mentioned and Huber reinforced, that franchise is never coming back. one further iteration in, and it's clear it did not survive and cannot outlive the damage done. it'll never be whole again.
Phantom Pain is a great game and this revisionist history has to stop. Times like this I really miss Ben, Huber and Isla are being ridiculous as usual.
It is a very good game. Brad trying to take a page out of Stephen A Smith's playbook and thinking he can just yell and be annoying to get his opinion across and was obnoxious as hell. Dude needs to learn how to give these presentations in a calmer manner without shitting on people who like the game.
@@BC-wt6dw Actually, I skipped it. I saw that he brought N&B and I said nope! I remember during the Series X launch party they were playing N&B back compat and Ben said something like, "Have we all misjudged this game? This looks really good!" That was a depressing experience... Because, YES, it is really good, YES you have misjudged it.
@@marcushankins8171 go on metacritic and check the score, especially against the scores that the banjo kazooie and tooie remakes got on 360. The majority opinion at the time was that in fact, N&B is the best of the franchise
Brad's argument sucks. The game is very well made and at least a novel idea, just not what he and some others wanted. Going by this logic, something like Kirby's Canvas Curse would be considered terrible just because it's not the same as previous entries. Series should be allowed to experiment. Also, strongly disagree with Isla's pick. Gameplay is too good to even consider.
"just not what he and some others wanted" SOME? 99% of Banjo Kazooie fans didn't want this! Don't abuse a beloved franchise for a quirky idea that has nothing to do with the series, especially not after years of silence. Kirby series shits out more than one game a year on average. Don't like Canvas Curse? Well maybe you'll like the game next year!
Agreed. I actually was really annoyed by the way Brad handled that whole situation too. People in chat pointing out that it's actually a solid game but it just wasn't the Banjo platformer people wanted and he's telling them to shut up and shit. Just immature nonsense and it rubbed me the wrong way. It's a good game and if it were a different IP then it would've been praised when it came out. It just shouldn't have been a Banjo game.
@@FakYuhGoogel That doesn't make it a bad game. Most of his argument is that it's not a platformer. He also says the world is empty. If anything Tooie is worse in this regard. I honestly can't believe that anyone wanted another standard platformer from Rare after Tooie and DK64. Both of those games are incredibly tedious, bloated and terribly flawed. Nuts & Bolts is at least unique and you can do some really cool stuff with the vehicle building. Long time fans got a taste of what a Banjo 3 would probably look like with Yooka Laylee. I'd take Nuts & Bolts over that any day of the week. I also don't think Nuts & Bolts killed the franchise. That was likely to happen anyway because of what plans MS had for Rare. If you don't like N&B, that's fine. I think you should have a decent argument if you aren't going to bring games that are clearly terrible like Blood and Damiani's picks though. Don brought actual reasons why SimCity 2013 is a terrible entry in the series. Honestly wish they would just drop Hall of Shame and do another Hall of Greats in it's place.
Frankly, this entire concept is just going to make certain people mad. Personally I would pick ocarina of time and rip that game a new one. I hate it. And I feel like i could bring a dozen solid reasons as to why, as a Zelda fan size the original. But it would just make people mad. And frankly the better my arguments the more it would anger people who disagree with me.
The way Brad handled the whole situation during his Banjo presentation was actively obnoxious and made me look at him differently honestly. Just very immature telling people in chat to shut up because they said they liked the game. He could've given that presentation without just actively shitting on anyone who likes the game. Dude was straight up yelling and acting like it was the worst game to ever exist. It's a solid game, and it's not nearly as bad as he was trying to proclaim that it was.
If a game gets no votes for hall of shame, the one who brought it should be forced to bring it to the next hall of greats!
Great rule
nah they should be forced to stream it
I prefer them be forced to stream it.
@@lystic9392 Original comment says "Hall of Greats", so you're wrong, probably just misread :)
@@danoschwab9937 I did!
Huber: I'm phoning this one in.
*tears into Assassin's Creed Valhalla with extreme passion*
Love it.
Came for Hubers passion and was not disappointed.
L&R!👍
18:29 Don with two back-to-back hilarious statements. Personal bookmark for when I need a hearty laugh
I ABSOLUTELY LOST IT WHEN DON SAID “LAY PIPE” 😭😭😭😭 bless his pure soul 😂
I love that he has no idea, nor is he curious to why they're laughing. A true professional
Yo Don's presentation was so amazing 😂😂😂 I'm dying but also he's right tho
Don Casanova fascinates me. And by fascinates, I mean in the way a cat is fascinated by a hanging piece of string. I adore him, but I don't know why.
I love people who transcend being just a person and turn into a “character”. So much of don and his persona is crafted and it’s hilarious.
54:10 I have never seen Blood this hyped before!
The hierarchy of shame in the EZA universe is about to change
The most I’ve ever laughed at easy allies was the first time, ages ago in a hall of greats, that Don said “I relinquish my time”
I get why long time fans dislike MGSV but god damn, as my first MGS game I loved it, some of the best 'gameplay' in a game in the last 10 years and I'm sad we won't get more of it.
I am a long time MGS fan, and I looove MGS V - it is probably my favourite game. Yes, it is a bit unfinished. A few of those plot lines lead to nowhere and the story in general wasn't as coherent as for example in MGS1 or MGS3.
But the gameplay - MY GOSH THE GAMEPLAY🤯🤯🤯. Also the controls. And it has content for months (in my case: years). And on the technical side: smooth 60 fps on PS4 in an open world game.😊👍🏻
@@ShionShinigami Preach
so in the ripe old year of 1994 I had an NES, the SNES was all the rage but we couldn't afford it. I saved up for 2 years to buy a ps1, I was 11. so I didn't save up shit lol. but eventually I got there and MGS1 was the first game I bought. I remember how big of a fucking deal MGS2 was with the PS2 launch. the demo was the most insane thing. yeah, that's where that sentence should end. IT WAS CRAZY FAM. all of this to say, well there's MGS3 and MGS4, also 10/10's, no matter, all of this, to say, MGSV is an incredible video game, it's a 10. ridiculous story beats because 5 games of this is ridiculous, mixed with "yo you wanna do that?" "hell yeah you can totally do that" gameplay. chef's kiss
Yeah the story is rough but what Kojima story is honestly "good." The game play is unapologetically unique, just letting you PLAY in the world and it easily is my favorite MGS game. It gives you so much agency.
MGSV certainly can be enjoyed by new fans, because the quality of the gameplay is capable of carrying the entire game, but the story only truly works with the context of the other games. I'm a long time fan of the franchise and MGSV is a masterpiece in both gameplay and story in my opinion. Admittedly you can see some minor cracking at the seams, but the fact that MGSV ended up as rich and polished as it did despite the troubled development cycle is a testament to the talent of Kojima Productions.
The selective criticism about cut content is so strange to me, because it either points to a lack of understanding of game production or to double standards. Virtually every game has cut content. In most cases people are simply unaware of it. Sure the Eli ark is unresolved, but so are many other aspects of the franchise, before and after MGSV. Trying to answer every open question and tie up every narrative thread was never gonna happen in a franchise that spans 50 years of story.
Taking the main themes of the franchise into account, it's kinda ironic that a meme around the lack of definitive and objective answers to every open question has spread and become the biggest criticism of the final game. Isla's presentation is a good example of groupthink influencing ones worldview. Complaining about an unfinished game, while not having finished the game is a perfect display of a presenting a second hand opinion as your own. Like often with Kojima's games, everything that happens around the game, including pre-release hype, expectations and even the criticism only seems to underline the key points these games are trying to make.
That's not to say the game can't be criticised. I could probably come up with many more criticisms than most haters do, because I actually paid attention instead of simply parroting other people's criticisms, but when I play Metal Gear, I'm not looking for a perfect game. Perfection is boring and can only be achieved if ambition is scaled back sufficiently and Metal Gear games are nothing if not ambitious.
I prefer to focus on the things we've got instead of the ones we didn't get. Viewing anything through the latter lense would always end up in disappointment. The selective use of that lense is absolutely fascinating though.
"Some people want to press SQUARE for 6 months" I love that thinking Gabby haha!
We need Gabby for HoG. Going from 9 nominees to 6 hurt bad and is still noticeable. I don't even know if she really plays video games lol
Nah, 6 is still a large group.
Anything with Huber and Gabby in it, I will watch.
Twice.
L&R
I loved BRAD'S presentation. I loved how blunt and unrelenting he was here. Telling chat to "shutup" and "you need a fking reality check" is the unapologetic personality of EZA that I fell in love with back in 2016. Hints of Ben Moore/ Kyle Bosman.
Nope. Brad's presentation was garbage incoherent yelling. Dude couldn't make a proper argument against the game so he just screamed and yelled at chat the whole time. If it were Ben or Kyle they'd have actually given a good argument. Brad acted like an immature child the entire time by telling chat to shut up if they liked the game.
Would be cool if gabby got a pick
The more they have her in stuff, the weirder it’s going to be that she doesn’t have full participation
@@JazGalaxy I don't think she wants to take part in these. I would love it tho
@K u s i that makes sense its extra work on her plate just feels a bit weird with her there but not participating
@@davecurtis86 she "edits" their horrible 10 minute tiktok videos and posts social network updates sometimes. They hired isla's friend basically
@@davecurtis86 Such a bad take. After years of working with her, you think they fear her? They're all co-owners. If they weren't happy with Gabby joining, they could just leave, but they clearly all enjoy and have fun with her around.
Gabby quietly mimicking Brad's hand gestures is absolutely brilliant
These unhinged vibes work well for hall of shame lol
I love you Allies. Keep going! Happy holidays ⛄
How is Don never in the podcast? Give him a spot asap!
Because he prefers not to. sadly!
That rage fest from Huber was fantastic. And I 100% agree. That game overstayed its welcome 5000%.
Don is right, we have no choice but to stan Entenmann's.
All of the picks presentations were awesome. Loved every minute of it !!! L&R!!!
I don't know if it will be noticed, but these videos should be offered as audio versions as well ;)
Don laid so much pipe this show.
I cannot wait for full playthrough of vampire rain
Conglaturations to Vampire Rain for being one of the very first instances where EA couldn't find a proper quality alpha transparent .PNG image of the title/logo.
About Brad's pick (Nuts n Bolts), what would have been cooler would have been if there were 8-9 worlds, but Mumbo Jumo gives you a unique vehicle instead of a transformation. In one world you could have a racecar, while in another you could get a crane. Unlike transformations, you could have used these vehicles in any world and hub once you acquired them, leading to platforming chalenges for jiggies ;)
Hard dada laying pipe really is a shameful pick.
But I definitely agree with Don, SIM CITY should be ashamed
Great presentations all! I laughed so many times during Don's. 😂
Don is a treasure. When everyone is just losing their shit laughing and he is like "No listen to his now..."
And says something that Just makes them laugh harder
Am I the only one who gets annoyed that everyone giggles and laughs at Don even when he's being serious and passionate? They act like he's a little kid that did something cute.
Yes. You’re the only one.
@@JazGalaxy Thank you for speaking for everyone. I appreciate that.
Yep. Especially Isla. They never give him a chance and take it seriously.
@@BC-wt6dw How are they not supposed to laugh when he's making a 5 minutes long analogy?
Metal Gear Solid V, sheesh.
I would have been right there with Isla... 7 years ago, when it came out. But after years of digesting the game as a fan, 2 full playthroughs, multiple discussions, watching and reading essays analysing MGSV, I managed to get over it.
More than that, I'm now satisfied with the ending.
First of all, it's not like there's nothing there at the end. Some of the best stuff happens in Chapter 2, which can be considered post-endgame content. The epidemic, Quiet's last stand, Zero's recordings - there is some good MGS storytelling and atmosphere right there.
I've read an interview where it was stated that the missing chapter was apparently cut VERY early. It wasn't a last minute decision and Konami's intervention. Moreover, while it might have felt essential, it really wasn't. It had little to do with the main story, the ending, and its themes. It was just connective tissue with MGS1, not offering much more. While this might have been PR talk, looking closer at the existing material makes this interpretation very believable.
While we can argue all day whether MGSV is finished or not and what does it actually mean to be finished, there is some artistic merit to that ending and the game's structure. It might be an accident, but I believe the weird non-ending WORKS with the themes and the story about a never-ending, pointless war.
But the worst part about that pick - to me - is that nothing substantial was said. Isla didn't even get to the ending, just heard about it from others - did I get that right? Now that's some bad criticism... Shaming a game for its "unfinished" ending while never experiencing it? It wasn't even properly described, only that it "just stops" and "doesn't have an ending" which is not true - or rather is not that simple.
Sorry if I'm coming across like I'm trying to be mean, that's not what I'm trying to do - call me passionate ;)
I get it, believe me, I was there. I'm just disappointed with the lack of substance in that not-so-hot take.
Love and respect ;)
Totally agree with Valhalla, literally the final nail in the coffin for the franchise.
Edit: MGSV is straight up depression.
The nail that made them the most money?
Looks at Bioware from Star Wars the Old Republic to Anthem nervously
Regarding nuts and bolts, Firaxis taught me that if you want to take a franchise in a new directions, do it. But make a second game that gives the fans exactly what they want. Firaxis prime x-com revival game was GOING to be a first person shooter. People were furious until they announced that they were also doing a proper sequel. People were much more willing to give the fps a chance, even though it bombed and nobody remembers it.
Always give people a choice. Respect their expectations.
Idea for a game that gets no votes in the Hall of Shame: The person who has brought it in has to do an entire play-through of the game or at least a 2 hours on stream.
Don is next level genius
Gabby should get a pick in HOG if she would like to
WE MUST PROTECT DON AT ALL COSTS!!! I'm only 23 minutes in but god dammit.... Don wins... Wins everything always... No matter what the outcome of the votes lol
dada
18:47 Who is your dada and what does he do?!
don should always have extra minutes. how many? mystery.
Surprised to see Valhalla from Huber. I am quite curious. Why did Huber give Valhalla 8.5 when he reviewed? Did not watch entire video and not planing to do so. Did his opinion change over time? I don't have much opinion about this game. Last Ubisoft game I played was Black Flag.
Most of his points boil down to the game is too big, unmemorable and having terrible DLC. He says he doesn’t hate it (he even says he kinda likes it) but he also said at the beginning that he doesn’t really have any grudges right now. I’m assuming Valhalla is in Huber’s mind because he recently played the final DLC and that burned him pretty badly. So yeah, he’s probably soured on the game since but he doesn’t hate it or anything
Most peoples opinions change over time and I can easily see why Huber would eventually grow sour on Valhalla. Was a right chore of a game, especially for long time fans of the franchise.
@@thatvideogamesshow Did you even listen to him before commenting? He literally says the final DLC is what made him resent the game even more.
Gotta agree with Brad. The first 2 Banjo games were really special. Nuts n’ Bolts had some interesting ideas but didn’t have what most people wanted. Imagine if after waiting years for Kingdom Hearts 3, it was all just gummy ship stuff.
Wrong, and the gummi ship comparison is trash. Nuts & Bolts is a good game, the only problem with it is people expected a traditional platformer for Banjo 3 and it wasn't that. If it were a new IP it would've been praised. Brad sat up there screaming and yelling to chat that they're not allowed to like it because it's shit, meanwhile it's actually a solid game if he was able to just put aside his incoherent immature crying for a second and look past it not being a platformer. There's a lot of great depth to the building aspect of Nuts & Bolts. To call it a garbage game is completely ridiculous.
Is this a replacement for hall of greats? I really hope we don't have to wait another 3 months.
Every Q4 they're doing hall of shame instead of hall of greats so yeah we'll have to wait 3 months.
@@FatherTime89 that's a bummer, thanks for the heads up tho, much appreciated!
I think what AC: Valhalla should have done (aside from being a better Assassin's Creed), would be the streamline the gameplay that is available at launch, just have the best parts of it, a tight "start to finish" 20-ish hour game, and then _after_ you complete it, or _after_ they unlock new stuff, they add in a lot of the "more stuff" options, so if you want to keep playing, you have stuff you can do, but if you just want to have a focused experience, they make it clear what is vital to do first off.
I only watched Hubers pitch and i am already convinced he should win.
Even with the controversy and story stuff MGSV is just too good a game for it be a an entry, Nuts and Bolts is also like a swimming in 7s type of game that got anger mostly because of the genre shift, I remember it being decent at the time if you didn't have an issue with the waning popularity of mascot collectathon platformers.
Watched the VoD on Twitch already and man. I'm gonna preface this by saying I enjoyed it and it this is what you wanna do then that's cool, love and respect. I dunno, I just don't think the format works when it's flipped like this, there's no stakes and the interrogation doesn't mean as much. I appreciate you guys probably get burnt out doing Hall of Greats, but it's a shame to see one of the best shows get swapped out for a worse, negative vibes version a quarter of the time.
Agreed. It's just bad vibes all around. Brad's attitude during his segment and the way he just hated on anyone who said they liked the game in chat was really off-putting to me.
I don't mind this, but I do wish it would be a "special" hall of greats instead of this. Like add a spin to the formula rather than leaning on the bad vibes which is the complete opposite of what people like about the Allies.
I purchased Vampire Rain around launch at full price because a girl I liked at the time wanted to play it…
I'm confused, will they reveal who won the tie?
It happens at 1:48:10 -Bloodworth
@@EasyAllies Thanks Blood!
Could have done a drumroll on that
I feel like almost every kojima game is "preying on gullible fans"
Does Hall of Shame need a filibuster rule (or a Casanova rule)? 😂
The fans demand Gabby participate!
Konami still seems interested in making money off of castlevania and silent hill but it might be best if they just sell metal gear to Sony...
I love MGS5, I could care less about the story. The game does last a very long time, but it's still the best stealth action game ever made (along with Splinter Cell Blacklist). MGS 2 and 4 are much more shameful imo.
No word of a lie, the second entrant is one of my favourite 360 games and my favourite in that franchise.
Mgsv and nuts and bolts are better than some games in the hall of greats
So to join the EZA discord you need to pay $5 a month? do they kick you if you miss a month or something? 🤣
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Damn, great pick Isla. I do love that game but completely understand
Love Huber knife-handing emphasis on the boring nature of AC. Ubisoft checking boxes design, paint by numbers, whatever the hell. It's not a game it's a fly trap looking to be enticing on the surface only, calling to the largest group of people to get them all stuck, even if they see others on it.
Isla's pick was absolutely on point. That was one of the most fun games to play I've ever experienced, but the absolute rug pull that takes place partway through the game is so heinous, I did the exact same thing as Isla and stopped playing so it wouldn't further tarnish my experience with it. The fact a studio would ship the game in that form is truly shameful. Like giving someone ice water in the middle of a desert, and then when they were only halfway through drinking it, you slap the glass out of their hand and tell them to drink the rest from the ground. They *should* be ashamed for releasing a game like that, and for their actions that led to it, having demonstrated its own potential and knowingly squandered what they were already capable of doing. and like Isla mentioned and Huber reinforced, that franchise is never coming back. one further iteration in, and it's clear it did not survive and cannot outlive the damage done. it'll never be whole again.
I really wish they'd finally fix their audio peaking so much. I love the energy they have, but the audio is so grating sometimes.
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Phantom Pain is a great game and this revisionist history has to stop. Times like this I really miss Ben, Huber and Isla are being ridiculous as usual.
#meaningfulshame
And I say that Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts is a great game, 10/10
It is a very good game. Brad trying to take a page out of Stephen A Smith's playbook and thinking he can just yell and be annoying to get his opinion across and was obnoxious as hell. Dude needs to learn how to give these presentations in a calmer manner without shitting on people who like the game.
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Actually, I skipped it. I saw that he brought N&B and I said nope! I remember during the Series X launch party they were playing N&B back compat and Ben said something like, "Have we all misjudged this game? This looks really good!" That was a depressing experience...
Because, YES, it is really good, YES you have misjudged it.
@@marcushankins8171 go on metacritic and check the score, especially against the scores that the banjo kazooie and tooie remakes got on 360. The majority opinion at the time was that in fact, N&B is the best of the franchise
@@marcushankins8171 no, your opinion is
@@marcushankins8171 nope. only nintendo fanboys who cant move on
Brad's argument sucks. The game is very well made and at least a novel idea, just not what he and some others wanted. Going by this logic, something like Kirby's Canvas Curse would be considered terrible just because it's not the same as previous entries. Series should be allowed to experiment. Also, strongly disagree with Isla's pick. Gameplay is too good to even consider.
"just not what he and some others wanted" SOME? 99% of Banjo Kazooie fans didn't want this! Don't abuse a beloved franchise for a quirky idea that has nothing to do with the series, especially not after years of silence. Kirby series shits out more than one game a year on average. Don't like Canvas Curse? Well maybe you'll like the game next year!
Agreed. I actually was really annoyed by the way Brad handled that whole situation too. People in chat pointing out that it's actually a solid game but it just wasn't the Banjo platformer people wanted and he's telling them to shut up and shit. Just immature nonsense and it rubbed me the wrong way. It's a good game and if it were a different IP then it would've been praised when it came out. It just shouldn't have been a Banjo game.
Nuts&Bolts is awful. He's right, it killed Banjo.
@@FakYuhGoogel That doesn't make it a bad game. Most of his argument is that it's not a platformer. He also says the world is empty. If anything Tooie is worse in this regard. I honestly can't believe that anyone wanted another standard platformer from Rare after Tooie and DK64. Both of those games are incredibly tedious, bloated and terribly flawed. Nuts & Bolts is at least unique and you can do some really cool stuff with the vehicle building. Long time fans got a taste of what a Banjo 3 would probably look like with Yooka Laylee. I'd take Nuts & Bolts over that any day of the week. I also don't think Nuts & Bolts killed the franchise. That was likely to happen anyway because of what plans MS had for Rare. If you don't like N&B, that's fine. I think you should have a decent argument if you aren't going to bring games that are clearly terrible like Blood and Damiani's picks though. Don brought actual reasons why SimCity 2013 is a terrible entry in the series. Honestly wish they would just drop Hall of Shame and do another Hall of Greats in it's place.
Frankly, this entire concept is just going to make certain people mad. Personally I would pick ocarina of time and rip that game a new one. I hate it. And I feel like i could bring a dozen solid reasons as to why, as a Zelda fan size the original. But it would just make people mad. And frankly the better my arguments the more it would anger people who disagree with me.
The way Brad handled the whole situation during his Banjo presentation was actively obnoxious and made me look at him differently honestly. Just very immature telling people in chat to shut up because they said they liked the game. He could've given that presentation without just actively shitting on anyone who likes the game. Dude was straight up yelling and acting like it was the worst game to ever exist. It's a solid game, and it's not nearly as bad as he was trying to proclaim that it was.
That’s the joke. Brad being a acerbic is his Schtick. Don’t get offended. It’s just games.
You do realize it's an act, right?
Meh.
Nuts and bolts and mgsv are both fantastic