Shannon says Tom Brady was the LARGEST ERASER in pro sports, always fixing mistakes 😬 | First Take
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ค. 2024
- Shannon Sharpe, Stephen A. Smith, and Dan Orlovsky discuss Bill Belichick's future with the New England Patriots after a disappointing Patriots season thus far and the effect and impact Tom Brady had on erasing Belichick's mistakes.
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I’ve tried to tell people that Brady wasn’t a system QB, he was the system itself. 677 TDs to 99 different receivers, a comeback for the ages against Atlanta, taking a 7-9 Tampa Bay to the Super Bowl after leaving NE. He made stars out of players who wouldn’t have made it without him. The one constant throughout the years was always him. The further New England falls, the more his legend grows
Brady didn't make ANYONE a star. Bill based on the teachings of Parcells created a plug and play system and it worked. Brady 9-0 in his first 9 playoff games-- 11td - 3 picks and averaged 216 yards a game (failed to throw a TD in 3 of those games and didn't even play one but got the win because he started). Yeah-- he was lighting it up. That defense back then was no joke and the fact that not once but TWICE the pats defense held the highest scoring team in the league to it's lowest point total of the year (both against the rams) really speaks to how awesome Brady was.
@shaunp8534 Belichick is a looser HC without Tom Brady 72-79. Brady is 31-18 in the regular season and 4-2 in the postseason with a SB and SB MVP. Brady's a gloried winner with or without Belichick. Belichick on the other hand is a glorified looser without Brady plain and simple.
@shaunp8534 Bro, there is no speaking logic or facts to Brady fanatics. They're too blinded by their bias to be objective. The man one a Super Bowl throwing 262 yards, 0 td's and an int. Yet you'll still have his fans including that win as all him
@@nightowlovo4422 We can find great QBs with that kind of win under their belt, and we still say they LED their team to the Super Bowl.
@nightowlovo4422 He also won a SB throwing for 450 + yards 2 Tds and an Int and lost a SB while throwing for over 500 yards and 4TDs. So what's your point? He lead the game winning drive in that SB against the Rams all while John Madden was saying I'd take and knee and go to OT.
It’s crazy to wrap my mind around the fact that Brady quite possibly was UNDERRATED
Funny to say but… he was!!! Never took market value money, and it’s not hard to find major media undervaluing him throughout his career.
Idt it’s possible to overrate him. And as football continues without him, we’re gonna realize what he did can never be done again. Not any player in any sport can boast that.
Lol, it might be true, hard as it is to believe
Yes. One thousand times yes. The patriots were underdogs in the playoffs about half the time and Brady’s playoff record was 35-13. His teams beat the best competition AND the point spread. As great as he was he was actually underrated.
He wasn’t under rated to the smart people. He is the greatest football player of all time. There’s not 1 single player that was as big of a difference maker on any time than he was.
I love Shannon for admitting that Brady was the force of the patriots dynasty! ✊
Samuel Adams was the force for America's freedom but people give it all to Washington.
@@AnonymousUser-ss2qrLike Troksy and Lenin, the true communist enforcer. But they(😏) keep pushing Stalin, as the face of Communism.
Aren't franchise QBs usually the force of any dynasty though? New England and Belichick's problem are that they don't have a QB or impact players especially WRs. You're not gonna win with Mac and with average WRs.
@@paisan79_13 Yes but people too often gave credit to Belichick over brady for that dynasty.
The refs had a hand in it too.
Skip was right about Belichick the entire time and now Shannon admits it.
That’s the only thing he even been right about
Skip was always right however skip was wrong to infer Shannon was jealous and to demean Shannon's accomplishments. He was outta line
Yes 😂
Because Shannon was emotional over Brady
@@straightfacts6482@FKS1994 rewatch that skip and Shannon seg and say again with a straight face Skip was right about what he did lmao. Skip made it very personal and lacked great respect, only suckas agree that was ok. Nothing right about that, Shannon simply said he should've given more credit to his effect. Pay attention
Outside of Moss for a few seasons and Cooks in 17, its crazy to think that in Brady’s entire tenure in NE he never had an elite reciever. Best pure receivers were 5-11 Deion Branch and 5-10 Julian Edleman. Pats woulda been even better if Belichick coulda found just one guy in all those years.
Not to mention that Gronk and Hernandez are probably the best 2 TEs in his tenure.
his best receiver in 2006 was reche caldwell. Lol in the postseason against the jets in 2006, it was jabar gaffney. Bunch of no name receivers.
Tom Brady was the one THAT made the Patriots defense great! Brady keeping the offense on the field is one of the reasons because that allowed the defense to get rest, but also Brady not turning the ball over in his own territory thus giving the opponent great field position, Brady literally never did that, Mac Jones on the other hand just gifts the other team free points by throwing pick sixes or turning it over in his own territory, this is also why Brady made the Buccs a great defense too, because they were always tired from being on the field when Jameis Winston was their qb because how many times he turned it over! Brady is the goat for a REASON!!!!!
And Welker
Brady was the answer to every problem the oats had, plug and okay any WR and it works. Moss, Welker, Cooks. Brady was the system.
Stephen A is right.. Bill the GM has done Bill the HC a disservice. His draft history as of late is atrocious on the offensive side specifically. This defense when its healthy can be good but it doesn't matter if your offense cannot produce. This team is going nowhere with Devante Parker as WR1. Even if they were to draft one of the top QBs in the draft, the skills group is atrocious.
The frustrating thing is we have the most cap space available in the league and he wouldnt even spend a few bucks on some weapons. Year after year of trading down in the draft to collect these middle round picks that never amount to anything has left this roster in shambles. This is a 6 win team at best this year. Might as well find a way to lose a few extra games to work our way into a top 5 pick. Use the top 5 pick for one of the top qbs as this upcoming draft is one of the deppest qb drafts in recent memory. Use the 2nd and 3rd round picks as well as the enormous amount of cap space we have to draft and sign elite WR and O-line talent and this team can be turned around rather quickly. The defense is pretty solid already when healthy. The problem is Bill has never been willing to do these things. At all cost Krafts cannot allow Bill to be the one selecting the players when this next draft/free agency period comes around.
Because beliCHEAP thinks krafts money is all his.
@@ctbennett13to piggyback off of your comment, he can’t draft a WR1 to save his life. Now granted, I predicted he would draft N’Keal Harry however I never knew how he was at drafting WRs. Moss was the last great WR we had and be left NE in 2010.
i rmbr when i used to say things like that after chandler jones was traded from NE and ppl would just be like "look at the superbowls" to respond without giving it any critical thought. Anyone that wasnt a belichick dickrider would tell u that hes an awful gm and that his coaching was enough to overcome it (and obviously having brady to).
I know some GOATS in their field but trash GM. Mj and Phil Jackson
Everyone knows the clip of Brady and Bill discussing on how to beat Ed Reed and it was Brady who was coming up with all the various concepts on how to counter Reed
🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's quite ignorant to assume everyone knows about a clip.
Explain how a Bill Belichek led defense won a Superbowl without Brady
@@coreyhansen9711 PArcells team
@@coreyhansen9711 superbowl 53. Brady was nonexistent.
Fact check: Belichick's record without Brady as the starter is 80-92:
1991: 6-10
1992: 7-9
1993: 7-9
1994: 11-5
1995: 5-11
2000: 5-11
2001: 0-2 (Brady's 1st start was Week 3)
2008: 10-5 (Brady started only in Week 1 before his injury cost him the rest of the season)
2016: 3-1 (Brady’s faux suspension)
2020: 7-9
2021: 10-7
2022: 8-9
2023: 1-4
@@peaceandlove1113wow that changes everything! Lmao 🤡
@@peaceandlove1113the year after he won a Superbowl on a new team in his 40s without a training camp? First ever home Superbowl?
@@peaceandlove1113he won the superbowl and made playoffs the other 2 years with tampa
@@peaceandlove1113Try again. That one didn't work lmao
@@peaceandlove11138-9. Really more like an 8-8. He had a lead in the last game and then sat out in the 2nd half. Falcons beat the backup QB.
I’m happy even football people is acknowledging what I’ve seen since 2005. Tom made that offense side of the ball something bill didn’t have to worry about. Bill was great bc he played the percentages on defense and took away most teams first and second option. But he won super bowls bc of Tom Brady not the other way around.
They allowed 3 points to the Rams the 2nd time they faced them in the superbowl. They also had game winning kicks in multiple super bowls and a Malcolm Butler INT to seal another one that was about to be lost. Brady also fumbled the ball on a Brandon Graham sack in the 2nd Eagles super bowl matchup while driving to take the lead right at the end. YES, Brady was instrumental to the Patriots success. And YES, so were a metric load of other individuals to varying degrees.
brady also left and won a superbowl with a team that was NEVER a contender against MAHOMES at 43 years old lmao @@173jaSon371
@@173jaSon371 They allowed 3 points to the Rams the 2nd time they faced them in the superbowl ....... AND WHO HAD THE GAME DECIDING DRIVE IN THE BIGGEST MOMENT ?
They also had game winning kicks in multiple super bowls ......... AND WHO MADE THESE KICKS POSSIBLE WITH ALL THESE DRIVES TO KEEP YOU IN THE GAME ?
Malcolm Butler INT to seal another one that was about to be lost ......... AND WHO BROUGHT THEM BACK IN THE 4th QU BEING DOWN 10 WITH 2 AMAZING DRIVES ?
Brady also fumbled the ball on a Brandon Graham ........ AND WHO HAD SUPER BOWL RECORDS THAT STILL STAND TODAY FOR HIS PERFORMANCE IN THIS GAME AND GAVE THEM EVEN A CHANCE TIME AFTER TIME ? - BUT .... maybe Belllickicks unknow Twin-Brother coached the defense that day 😞
And as extra on top only for you ......... even in the first 3 Superbowls it was TB12 that had game sealing/winning drives.
Ohh, BTW, the answer to all my "WHO" is ............ THOMAS EDWARD PATRICK BRADY !
@@Nagash-ol3oe No one thinks Brady wasn't a massive reason for the Patriots success, but there were literally hundreds of scouts, coaches, and players that also had massive impacts at times. Brady didn't do anything alone. No one does in team sports. This isn't Tennis or Boxing.
@@Nagash-ol3oe Also lol @ "game-ceiling." It's sealing* brother. Your home school education is showing.
Tom Brady was the one THAT made the Patriots defense great! Brady keeping the offense on the field is one of the reasons because that allowed the defense to get rest, but also Brady not turning the ball over in his own territory thus giving the opponent great field position, Brady literally never did that, Mac Jones on the other hand just gifts the other team free points by throwing pick sixes or turning it over in his own territory, this is also why Brady made the Buccs a great defense too, because they were always tired from being on the field when Jameis Winston was their qb because how many times he turned it over! Brady is the goat for a REASON!!!!!
Perfectly said I have been saying the same thing protecting the ball as a quarterback is just as important in winning championship and getting you there
Brady has won a superbowl without throwing 1 td lol. 2 of the first 3 superbowl was because of the defense, look at bradys numbers.
Resting doesn't make your defense have studs on it. Sustaining long drives helps but give credit where it it due. The Patriots with BB and Brady had defenses that were top 10 in points allowed all but 3 seasons. They were top 5 in points allowed in 8 of those seasons. They were 1st or 2nd in points allowed 5 of those years, and 2nd again once after Brady left.
@@173jaSon371 Tell that to defensive players that gas out being constantly on the pitch.
Precisely.
Wow Brady finally getting Credit from Shannon after hes not on undisputed and saying bill was 70 percent of the success or that Bill was gonna get Mac Jones right after Brady left.
Without a doubt - Brady has been the underdog that no one could believe his greatness - even after winning #7 - the critics - still said the Bucs were stacked -
Bellichick wanted to throw Brady away in 2015 when they drafted Garropolo - Tom ended taking them to the Super Bowl 4 more times and WON 3 - Bellichick still wouldn’t give Brady a long term contract - Bellichick is a cheap suit - Brady made him shine -
Bucs were stacked. What did brady win his last year in New England. Got bounced out by the Titans. All they needed was a fg to win.
@@thefranchise_1573who was he throwing too in that game against the titans🤡
@@yohanesscunningham7435thank you
Well, Brady did pick the Bucs for a reason. He wasn't going to join some rebuilding team in free agency, he picked a team that was a QB away from winning it all. Michael Jordan is the rare aged, elite athlete who purposefully joined a bad team, but he did so because he literally owned a stake in that team prior to un-retiring.
@@thefranchise_1573that better be a joke. Brady had NO ONE on offense his last year. Julien was hurt all year and he LEAD the league in drops that season. That patriot offense was significantly worse than it is now minus Tom Brady.
Did Molly just tell us some Jets guy comes to her house and breaks her back? 🤯 😂
He bangin her back out for sure
🤣🤣🤣🤣
LMFAO
Dr. Schneider's bookings are about to go through the ROOF!!
Just shows how absolutely useless and irrelevant she is to the show
Bill CAN cook the food, he just CAN'T buy the groceries - Bill Parcell's remastered quote
Molly outchea getting her back cracked by the Jets guy sound insane 😂😂
Bill B made the worst mistake a man can make: he let his ego take over. This is like MJ with the Hornets: terrible drafting, terrible people management, yes men everywhere in key roles. Just because you are a good coach/player doesn't mean you are a good people manager.
You can just sense the type of ego he has with all those Edelman stories of him.
should've gave an hypothetical of Phil Jackson acting similarly
@@Sparkyxicy : With the Knicks, absolutely. He kept trying to push the triangle without understanding (1) he didn't have the personnel to execute that (2) it had been rendered obsolete by the 3pt revolution and more modern offenses that used aspects of the triangle but added more modern twists to it were what was needed.
There’s a difference the nba doesn’t really want the hornets to succeed. The hornets market is the Bible Belt which is opposed the values the league pushes. They just want Jordan to be a face so the league can brag that they at least have “black” owner. They’ve been using Jordan to market the league since84.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Y’all don’t know football
Crazy how Bill has two records with and without Tom Brady. Bringing back Patricia and Judge was the worst decision ever. Patricia made Stafford not a HOF qb and Judge he's doesn't deserve to be a coach in the first place.
you can say that about any great coach that had a great QB. Everyone knows that you need a great QB to win anything in the NFL
I wouldn’t say bringing back Patricia and Judge were the worst decisions he ever made. Making them his offensive coordinator/o-line coach and QB coach are the worst decisions he ever made on the coaching side. Forcing TB12 out the door/not giving him the contract extension he wanted and deserved to end his career in New England were the worst he made as GM. They likely wouldn’t have won another Super Bowl, but the world wouldn’t know what he looked like without Tom Brady for another 2-3 years and he wouldn’t likely be losing Shula’s record to Andy Reid. Cause at this rate, Andy Reid will definitely lap him for that.
People seem to forget that Brady was able to grow & was only asked to come thru on 3rd down & clutch time during their first 3 super bowls on a defensive lead team.
@@theblinkerx They don't forget, they ignore it to try and confirm their biases. Anyone who thinks a football team with sustained success for decades was due to a single man is a moron. So, most sports fans lol.
Asante Samuel been was saying this
This just proves why Vince Lombardi is still the GOAT head coach. Lombardi after Green Bay went to Washington for a year before he passed away. completely flip them around from a 5-9 team in 68 to a 7-5-2 team that year. If Lombardi didn't lose his fight with cancer, Washington would probably have a few more Super Bowl championships in the trophy case today.
Shula
Tom Brady was the reason New England Patriots were so successful, not Belichick
Yup…bad teacher still create good engineers…it depend on that engineering student…for example, I major in Electrical Engineering, I have few bad professors, but I still study hard and get good grades…😊
I guess he Admitted that Skip was Right about Tom Brady. Lol 😂
I’ve been saying this for years that it was all Brady. Nothing brings more joy and warmth to my heart to see Belichick be exposed. All his tough man bravado was built on the back of Brady. He is the same coach when he was with the Browns lol
u are very smart i been saying it since 2006
@@peaceandlove1113 higher than your IQ
Yeah-- brady really held the rams to 19 points in two superbowls and made that awesome pic against the hawks. Man-- he's amazing.
Belichick's record without Tom Brady as his starting QB is 80-92, and 1-2 in the playoffs.
3 winning seasons without Brady. Brady also won 75% of his games.
30, yes THIRTY playoff wins with Tom
We all know that Brady did not carry Bill. Brady’s offense led his team to the two lowest-scoring winning offenses in Super Bowl history (13pts, both against the Rams). Bill’s signing of Malcom Butler was the deciding factor that won Brady his 4th ring. Brady threw 3 INTs in an AFC Championship with the Pats and his defense was good enough to win the game despite that. It was Bill’s defense that held the Falcons scoreless in the last 18 minutes of Super Bowl 51
@polpol1005 How was Belichicks defense a gainst the Giants in 07 SB? Sure they only gave up 17pts, but after "Brady" got them the lead late in the 4th quarter they let Eli go right down the field and take the lead right back. Same thing happend against the Eagles. Brady broke his own SB record from the SB before, re take the lead in the 4th quarter, just to have Nick Foles go down the field and score. Bill is a straight up "Loser" as a HC without Brady. Where as Brady's 32-18 reg season record and 5-2 in the playoffs with a SB win. Belichick is 82-98 in the regular season and 1-2 in the playoffs. Now who really captained the Patriots to all that winning? Numbers don't lie. It was Brady
@@chrisrezendes4869 you can cherrypick games all day long but the fact remains, Brady’s offense led his team to the two lowest-scoring winning offenses in Super Bowl history. And his first 3 SBs were won by defense. So it was't Brady, it was BB and his system
Bill Bellichick is the grandparent we gotta sit down and explain why it’s not best for him to drive nomore😂
Not a Brady fan but I always use to debate with Pats fans that once Brady left, it was over for them. They would debate me and say anyone can thrive under Belichick's system. I said ok we'll see. So far it's off to a horrible start. You gotta respect Brady like him or not that he was the difference maker.
I'm still trying to figure out why that so called system is not working without Brady??
Belichick is gone now, I guess we know the answer
took shannon forever to see the light of the truth. Lmao
We are turning into orthopedic’s show? 😂 Shanon you are the best.
I’ve been saying this for years and years that Tom Brady made the offense click because Brady was smart and always played with a chip on his shoulder. He was the Michael Jordan of the NFL and Bill Belichick got pretty lucky to even get Brady and that first title. The first title they won, they had key players that were drafted by Parcells & Brady never had HOF players aside from Moss.
Don't forget Gronk as well
There defense won them the first championship. Give belecheck some credit lol
this is unbelievable how shannon has completely changed his stance on brady after he went to first take, one might say it’s because of belichecks poor coaching as of late, but my theory is that the skip and shannon era highly influenced shannon to be at odds with the pro-brady skip baylees for the sake of entertainment and ratings
It's a debate show
He was starting to turn around at the end of the show with skip. And honestly how can you not. It's plain as day.
Right, the show literally anchored around them not agreeing with one another.
Yep these sports personalities are all just actors. I never had a single doubt in my mind that Shannon knew of Brady's greatness. But him and Skip just agreeing on that and moving on would cause less drama and be worse for ratings.
This should also speak to Shannon's objectivity. Everyone remembers Skip disrespecting him for holding Brady responsible for his poor play. Just like he's holding Belichick accountable for his poor coaching job the last few years. Getting away from Skip was something Shannon desperately needed to do
Man, imagine how many more rings Brady would have won them if Bill wasn't a bad and cheap GM. So many bad picks and so much wasted potential not putting another elite WR with him for most his career. It's crazy, BB may have held Tom Brady back...look at what he did at that age in Tampa once he got an elite offense around him, now imagine he had that most years during his actual prime and youth.
Yeah crazy, I think Bill didn’t want to be outshined by Brady, how do you not give him wide receivers 🤦♂️
I’m surprised to see sharpe giving Brady credit 😂😂
I’m glad Tom is finally get his flowers for what he did in New England. Everyone gave the credit to Bill after every star he ran off.
The fact that Tom Brady had to save so many games in the last two minutes speaks volumes alone. Not ignoring the other factors
Explain
@@gbrow1604he has almost 60 game winning drives in his career…………….
As a Patriots fan, we have entered the dark days we are going to want to forget years from now when we are good again.
We are the laughing stock of the NFL now just like how they were in the pre-Bledsoe days lol
Amen
It’s karma for the way Bill crapped on Brady. Bill has to go down as one of the worst GMs in the history of the game.
@@Rcc2269 I can’t believe he wanted to ship Gronk out to the Lions in 2018
He had something personal against Brady’s TB12 brand
Probably felt threatened but now he’s paying for it
I mean y’all had the GOAT. Y’all had the greatest run as fans. Got to see them go to 9 Super Bowls and win 6.
I definitely owe Tom an apology …. He’s so good ….
On top of that Belichicks scouts kept telling him not to draft N’Keal Harry and go with Aj Brown or Deebo instead. Can you imagine if we had one of those guys at receiver?
DK too
DJ Moore in 2018
Many many other good WRs
@@moheganson Yeah DK too. Not to mention Terry McLaurin was later taken, even Darius Slayton had the decency to occasionally have a 100 yard game every once in awhile. Harry had a single game with more than 55 yards.
Brady was never carried by any defense in his career. Bill has never developed a 2013 Seahawks defense or 2015 Broncos defense. There's no argument. After a 1-2 start in 2001, Belichick was on the verge of getting fired. Tom led the Patriots to the playoffs, which was Belichick's first appearance with the Patriots because the team went 5-11 with Drew Bledsoe in 2000, and won them a super bowl. Without Brady taking less money all those years, Belichick never would have been able to keep his favorite defensive players.
And let's not forget, Bill's defense allowed 40 points against Mahomes and 41 points against Nick Foles in Super Bowl LII. Had Belichick not benched Malcolm Butler in that super bowl, who knows! Maybe the Patriots could have made just one stop on 3rd down to prevent the Eagles from scoring any more touchdowns, which would have won NE another super bowl. Needless to say, Belichick held Brady back all these years. If Brady had Andy Reid, imagine how much better his offenses would have been during his prime years.
The ONLY Super Bowl win Bill should get 100% credit for is 53. That was all defense that game.
@@RayMon504 But even then, the Patriots needed overtime in the AFC championship to defeat the Chiefs to get there. Without Brady, the Pats definitely would have lost that road game. No one is convincing me otherwise. The Patriots haven't made the playoffs with that "defense" in like four of the five seasons without Brady under Belichick.
@@RayMon504 But an offensive player won the MVP of that game
Brady was never at any point in his career carried by the defense to the Super Bowl. Only three defenses has carried their offense to the superbowl since 2000: 2000 Ravens, Legion of Boom, and the 2015 Broncos Defense.
@@NewEnglandPatriotsDynastyya and that AFCCG was the Real SB
Its crazy how Brady's legacy of greatness keeps expanding, almost at an eye opening rate. In retrospect, Patriots had offenses that had little business to succeed as well as they did (2001-2006, 2018-2019) and yet Brady made them work very well and routinely made nobodies look a notch higher than they actually were minus some all-time greats like Gronk and Moss. Without Brady, Belichick would have potentially been out of the league a lot sooner because despite his defensive genius, the man is GM and cannot draft offensive talent to save his life. He's made some good picks, but most have failed or were drafted much too high. Those down years offensively, they made the playoffs because of Brady. Very few QBs could have made it work throwing to reggie caldwell or aaron dobson. It's insane how easy Brady made it look, like QBs are suppose to make average or above average guys respectable. What a legend, and I get this feeling Belichick is finally getting a much needed reality check. It's almost tragic to think Brady could've put up better stats if Bill the GM wasn't drafting total busts.
The best thing that coulda happened was Belichick letting Brady go.In the four years he has coached since Brady left everybody can see without a doubt what an overrated loser Belichick is without Brady
@@marckellough529 I wouldn't say he is totally overrated, he definitely is among the very best coaches, game managers and defensive minds to ever grace the league...but he is overrated when many fans thought he ran the whole show when really having Brady made it easier to make average receivers work and cover bad drafts. He also had some assistant coaches who made a huge difference which showed upon their retirement (OL coach Scar, Ernie Adams). But yeah, bill as a GM has hurt this team severely, mainly on the offensive side of things. there is no question about it.
@@9ner You're correct he is a great coach but he was getting too much credit. Games are won by the players on the field not by a coach standing on the sidelines. That's why all of a sudden in the four years since Brady left he hasn't accomplished nothing
@@marckellough529 it’s brutal. I wonder what went through his head thinking he could go on making the same mistakes without Brady
@@9ner I'll give you an example of what might have been if Belichick had actually put some real talent around Brady.Can you imagine Brady playing with two receivers like Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne?? Plus a runningback like Edgerrin James?? That would've been illegal. That's what Peyton Manning played with for years. Name one great runningback that Brady ever played with plus all of his receivers were average at best.Edelman was a good possession receiver and Deion Branch was pretty good and he only played with Randy Moss for 2 years. No other quarterback in history could've accomplished what Brady did with that kind of inferior talent
The one season the patriots had a competent wide receiver. They went undefeated and we’re really close to winning the Super Bowl, talent makes a difference.
It's safe to say that it was Brady and not the system.
Tom Brady is the GOAT. He made Bill look great.
Steven A. hit his take on the money… Bill is responsible for this franchise sputtering out of control
Should've known it was Brady when in 2007 he finally got a true #1 receiver and ended up smashing records that season.
I love Shannon he said
“If you don’t gotta QB that’s 6,4 and can throw it’s like tryna whistle in the wind.
During Brady's 18 year tenure as full season starter in NE they had 17 top ten offenses while they had 15 top ten defense. On average the offense was ranked 4.8 over 18 years! The defense during that same 18 year period averaged 7.2. During Brady Belichick they had 11 top 5 ranked offensive seasons and 8 top 5 ranked defensive seasons, 3 #1 ranked offensive seasons and 2 #1 ranked defensive seasons. All SB seasons offense average rank 4.3 defense 5.5. SB losing seasons offense average rank 2, defense 8. SB winning seasons offense 5.5 defense 4.3. Brady came aboard with 2 NCAA Bowl wins as QB. Bill had 1 playoff win as HC, ironically over the Patriots. Yes Bill has SB's while defensive coordinator but those were while coaching under a HC that was the previous DC. Bernie, Vinny, Drew and Cam all #1 overall drafted player and Bill managed 1 winning season with Vinny in 94' and 18 of 18 winning seasons with his 6th rounder. It is crazy how some point out it's a team game then turn around and point out the great defenses Brady had while ignoring most of the time the offense he lead was ranked better than the defense he had. Last thing is another irony. NE defense was 17th in 2000 and 6th in 2001, Tampa defense was ranked 31st and 29th previous 2 years to Brady and suddenly 8th and 5th first two years after Brady got there. Hmmm
Wow, that stat Stephen A pointed out regarding Bill Belichick win/lost record w/o Brady is mind blowing
I’m with Brady on this, don’t feel any need to try in credit one more than the other, they worked great together, but there’s no doubt Belichick can’t be in the GM role he’s in
With Brady, BB was praised as a genius GM. Other GMs were killed by the media because they couldn't do what BB did. They couldn't find hidden gems in the late round drafts. They couldn't get free agents to take less money. They couldn't manage the cap because they have to overpay players to play for their teams. Now everyone is pretending they never said any of that and said BB was a bad GM for a long time?
Molly be getting that back cracked 😂😂
No more discounts to play for a HOF qb. No more discount to have a good teammate. Goodluck Bill, you’re gonna need it
From 1991 until 1995, Belichick was the head coach of the Cleveland Browns. During his tenure in Cleveland, he compiled a 36-44 record, leading the team to the playoffs in 1994, his only winning year with the team.
Brady made Belichick look much better than he was. Belichick without Brady was a loser.
Thank your true fact!!!! somebody on here thinking with there brains and not on there crazy hateing emotions.
He should be in the HOF for getting the Browns in the playoffs!
and that was Cleveland's only playoff year until baker Mayfield
@@cliptomaniac2562 The Browns went to the playoffs 7 times in the 1980's (twice as a wildcard, 5x as division winners) and made it to the AFCCG 3x in the 80's (nearly winning twice). Belichick was a downgrade for the Browns, they went to the playoffs once as a wildcard and only won one playoff game against a rebuilding Pats organization that was worst in the league only a couple years prior (when they faced the Steelers they got blown out). Yeah he assembled what became a very smart coaching tree there, but none of it worked until long after he (and the browns) were gone. Maybe his coaching tree in NE right now is smart, but together in Foxborough they suck. Belichick without Brady is like the opposite of the midas touch, whereas everywhere Brady played became a championship organization.
@@cliptomaniac2562 Context matter. You have to remember that Browns team was the modern day Ravens. That Browns team had a winning culture. That Brown team was a perennial playoff team. They were not the modern day Browns. They were two different teams. That Browns team went to Baltimore and became the Ravens.
Welcome to 20 years ago. This guy had the hubris to let a defensive coordinator be an offensive coordinator. Years without needing to draft offensive players with their top picks, instead always loading up the defense. Picking and playing a LACROSS player to play WR in the NFL. It was always Brady.
for 20 years bill showed everyone the door. it's time someone shows him the door.
He benched a player before the SUPERBOWL. I think it was Butler.
Joe Gibbs won 3 SB with 3 different qb yet no one talks about it
Orlovsky looks genuinely surprised by Belichick’s record without Brady as QB 😳
and his GM track record, I did not realize it was that bad
The question should no longer be, "Who deserves more credit for Patriots dynasty?" It's clearly Brady, by a wide margin. It looks like Brady succeeded in spite of Belichick, not because of him. You can't tell me that Walsh, Parcells, Tomlin, Coughlin even, wouldn't win as much with Brady as Belichick did if he was their QB for 20 years. Those 6 rings are Brady's, Belichick just came along for the ride
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Belichick was the de facto GM during those titles. That's 20 years of roster building. If you want to give more of the credit to Brady, fine, but acting like Belichick didn't play into their success is silly.
@@mrmacrossHe didn’t Brady won despite him and it’s literally on display on real time open your eyes
@@davis2k1234 Are you saying Belichick has no part in roster construction? Or how well the defense played? Like I said, if you want to give more credit to Brady, so be it, but giving Belichick zero or negative credit for the team's success seems weird. I get that Belichick may be failing miserably now, but he wasn't a failure for 20 years in terms of building the team's roster.
@mrmacross The defense was the biggest reason in those Early Patriots chips. Now, because ESPN says it, everybody wants to believe it.
Brady told Robert Kraft when he drafted him that it was the BEST decision he ever made. He stopped listening to that advice and it’s been downhill ever since.
OMG Shannon I know why I loved and still love you!
Crazy stat: the patriots have more turnovers in the last two games then points. That is HAUNTINGLY bad.
They had at least 3 turnovers for touchdowns which equals their 3 points 😂
Am I missing a fourth one for a TD?
I have gained alot resepct for brady since he left NE. And i hate brady, but man did he really cover up the flaws of those patriot teams. Bill definitely getting exposed.
We’ll said Shannon from the UK. I watched most Brady games and he was the difference maker
I love this new look for Steven a and first take Shannon Sharp just brings everything to a show. Bill belichick is in the hot seat no doubt.
Every player bought into Tom’s mindset and unselfish, team oriented but super competitive personality. His teammates would run through brick walls for him not Bill.
“The Brady Way”
It's often overlooked that for 20 years the Patriots had to spend zero draft picks or trades looking for a starting QB. Any team is going to be good when you can focus on filling other positions while still having pro-bowl level qb play over 20 years.
They used 11 draft picks on qbs during bradys reign. 4 of those being 3rd round or higher. You are overlooking how bad Bill is at drafting. They didn't have to pick a qb but they did at a higher pace than teams with no qb.
@tim6454 Jimmy Garoppolo was the highest pick at #64 and then the pats got a second draft pick from the 49ers in the trade. 11 mostly late round picks is nothing compared to what most teams did in that same time period. The Pats were drafting qbs in spots where less than half the people drafted around them even make the 53 man roster.
@@tak-el-uc so your original point is still wrong. You said they spent ZERO draft picks or trades on qbs. For comparison the cowboys drafted 5, the ravens 6 and the only team that spent more draft picks on qbs were the jets at 11.
@tim6454 no Tim, my original point is true. I never said they didn't draft any qbs. I said they did not have to try to draft or trade for a starting qb. If you can't see the difference between trading up in to the top 5 to draft a qb and taking a qb with the 200th pick to be an arm in training camp and thinking it would be nice if he makes the roster, I can't help you.
@@tak-el-uc lol it's funny how hard your trying to twist the narrative. They became training camp players because they sucked. The Pat's still drafted a qb on average every other year and on over half were 4th round picks or higher. If anyone else reads this just remember it's very easy to Google this type of information and weed out these braindead opinions.
Dan and that face is killing me 😂😂😂
Andy Reid>BB
He's done well with multiple QBs. McNabb, Vick, Alex Smith, Mahomes
One of the few times I agreed with Skip over Unc, Brady just very well might be owed 80% of the credit for the dynasty. On and off the field
people dont talk about how much bills bad drafting and talent acquistions actually held tom brady back from winning more SB's they went like 10 years without winning one and brady was balling in those years with scrubs
Lol yeah guys like Matt Light and Logan Mankins were clearly scrubs. Or Ben Watson, Wilfork, Gostkowski, Mayo, Slater, Chung, DMac, Spikes, Hernandez, Solder, Vereen, Gronk, Chandler Jones, Hightower, Logan Ryan, Harmon, Jamie Collins, James White must all be losers. Nevermind the FA acquisitions like Revis and Browner, Nink, Dion Lewis, Welker, Burkhead, or other guys outside of those years like Harrison, Seau, Bennett, VanNoy, Talib, Vrabel, Colvin, etc. They were never exactly lacking talent.
@@173jaSon371 brady makes those below average WR and RBs look good and most of those Defensive acquisitions were already over the hill old men ring chasing
@@173jaSon371 brady went to the buccs that had mike evans a hurt old gronk and chris godwin and fournette and beat the Chiefs easily idk what else to say if brady was on stacked teams his whole career he would have even more chips
Not sure about fixing mistakes but for sure leading his teammates, keeping them “together” and build a culture of excellence
SHOUTOUT TO SHANNON GOOD JOB UNC
THANK YOU as a long time fan I been saying Bill should've been fired before letting Brady go. This man is hurting Mac's rep with this ridiculous coaching and coaching staff. I've been writing and emailing people since the day Brady put on another's team jersey. Bill got to go don't even let him finish the season
Football is a team game for sure but man does the quarterback position sure make or break you. Time is really doing wonders for Brady’s legacy and it would be interesting to hear more ex patriots chime in on the debate as well
People talk about Tom always having great defenses all those years but I really feel the reason why those defenses were able to work was because Tom kept the offense in the field a lot, giving time to the defense just to think about stops and be well rested
It was the New England Brady’s lol. I was lucky enough to see Brady play live since he subbed in for Bledsoe! 12-13yrs old til 34! Wild!
“Did you hear my back crack” you know Molly let a fart loose on air lmaooo
Also think about this. Bradys last year with new england he still beat the bills twice and thats when people were trying to crown the bills early and saying brady was washed up. Brady was the only reason the pats had a pulse for most of time.
Well said and all facts on that one.
And not a Bills are dominating that division
And that Brady was miserable. He was the most miserable 8-0 QB in the entire league that year because of what BB did to him. How he manage to perform at a high level and led that Patriots team to the playoff blows my mind. We are all humans. We know what it is like to be stress and frustrated. Many of us would suffer from depression and withdrawal and can't do anything let alone playing in the toughest sport and perform at a high level.
I wish he was still on undisputed for this lol
Brady took less money and was so good bill didn’t need to pay big money to skill players. Bill could afford 13-14 starters on D so he could scheme against opposing offenses. On O he just had to pay for good linemen.
Good to see you finally came around Shannon. Nothing more likable than a self deprecating man.
As a pats fan belichick is the goat coach he always has a good d but he’s his gm work on getting his QBs top WR and now pats fans want mac benched cause he has no weapons all rookies have been given an elite weapon over the years
Brady took a garbage team his last season in NE to the
Playoffs; where they lost the game at the last minute to a very strong titans team
Definitely not the goat
So what’s your excuse for Bill in Cleveland having 4 losing seasons in 5 yrs and getting fired or Bill being 5-13 as the NE HC before Brady took over as starter?
He's not the goat coach without Brady.
Been saying it for years,look at Bill record before Brady 5-11 now look at his s record after Brady,Brady was the the offense
A good QB is always more important than a good coach. This is obvious. How is this even debatable?
Brady was the reason why Bill Belichicks’s was a great Coach and that goes for a lot of coaches in the NFL and College Football the players make y’all look good.
The way the defend Mac jones is wild. What has he done to earn the benefit. When cam played everything was his fault. Now all of a sudden is everyone except mac fault. Bill isn’t out there throwing them interceptions.
They hate on Cam because he was in the bad spot of filling Brady’s shoes the season after Brady was gone. He also had that horrible play in the SB where he did not jump for the ball (this is memeable and people use this to hate on him). AND people still thought Bellichick was a genius coach. I like Cam way more than Mac Jones and wish he was the QB instead
I’ve been saying since 2007 it was all Brady and I think it’s time to have the conversation have how much Brady suffered and to overcome dealing with Belichicks non sense and bad offense over the years
Everything Skip has said about Brady and Jordan is spot on
Don't forget Spygate. Those tapes helped a lot too! 😭😭
Bill Belichick's track record when it comes to drafting is pretty terrible the last 10 years. He can't be GM anymore 100%. Mention Nkeal Harry in New England and folks get heat flashes
Yup LOL He picked Nkeal harry over guys like AJ Brown, DK Metcalf and Deebo Samuel. One of the worst draft blunders in recent NFL history if you ask us Patriots fans.
@@ctbennett13 he shoulda been revoked of GM duties once NKeal Harry didnt pan out.
@@ctbennett13Gives me PTSD same with the Sanu trade
No 2018 when he took Sony Michel and the fat kid from Georgia over DJ Moore or Lamar Jackson
They worked out Jackson but Baltimore got him late 1st round
He could’ve learned under Brady for a few seasons or play some plays
Bill Belichick & Gregg Poppovich are both sadly staying longer than they should. Once their stars left Pats & Spurs can’t really seem to get back on track & I think it’s 100% on these legend head coaches. They’re about to get the Tom Landry treatment soon
The GOAT Reg season record W 251 L 82 - Post Season W 35-L 13-- Reg season passing yards 89,214, TDs 649,-Post Season 13,400 Passing Yards, TDs 88.
They are back to Bill Parcells issue with Robert K..grocery n meal thing....Bill Belli. Inherited a great O line from Parcells I think one of the bestvin nfl history brady used to have ALL kind of times to throw thr ball his first like 4 to 6 years....
Everyone is forgetting how Bill wanted to move on from Brady while Jimmy was still there. Kraft traded Jimmy against Bill’s will so that Bill would have to focus on Tom, while he was still in NE.
If Jimmy was still on the Pats I’m curious as to what kind of team they’d be today.
They would be a good team , but people don't like to bring that up because brady ego qas hurt similar to love ans rodgers
They would have 1 less super bowl and been trash since 2018 instead of since 2020 Jimmy G also got a huge contract that and he is very fragile always hurt he couldn’t even make 4Games in 2016 when Brady was suspended not to mention Jimmy can only win with stacked offense he would been terrible on Patriots bad offenses meanwhile if Brady goes to SF he probably 4peats with those stacked teams and Shannan calling plays
The only question you need to ask yourself is do they have a Super Bowl with jimmy… because from what I saw Brady won a superbowl after jimmy got traded
Jimmy went to the 49rs which from top to bottom was a MUCH better team then the patriots and lost the superbowl🤷🏾
They woukd still be the same maybe more wins the problem Jimmy g has been HEALTHY ONE PLAYING SEASON....he would never be on field.. remember brady suspension..Jimmy g played 1 game!!!!! Got injured second quarter of second game...can't stay on field
@mclacex1 the question is do you belive Jimmy would've lost the superbowl with the patriots if belichik held the team to only 3 points , cuz brady had 2 turnovers and 0 tds and less that 135 passing yards where the only td was a rushing for like 30 yrd I believe so lmk
Idk if this game will be featured in Sportsball. Because making that segment would take more time and and effort than New England bothered to show.
Shannon Sharpe on ESPN: Shannon Sharpe
Shannon Sharpe on FS1: Unc
0:33 Stephen A. almost got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, lol.
After Brady left New England, I figured that the Patriots would decide to tank. I think Belichick has done a good job keeping that team afloat. With that said, I do believe they should strive for high first-round picks. If they play their cards well, it might only be for a few years.
Will it matter though with Bill as GM. He can coach but picking the players isn't him
He doesn't want to tank. He wants to beat Shula's record.
buddy, the patriots without Tom Brady can’t even tank right
It was obvious it was mostly Brady when he went to a new team at an old age and immediately won a ring
He deserved to lose int he divsional round. He was gifted multiple TOs in Saints territory that were the only reason they got TDs. Outside of those three gifts, Brady led the offense to just 9 points.
Tom Brady is a very good quarterback. I remember my dad and brother saying he wasn't that good during the championship-less stretch from 2005-2013 on the occasional interception, and I'd always say they didn't realize how good Tom was and how lucky we were 🤦🏽♂️
Very good you sound like the other haters. He was the very best. No one better.
@@user-ef7xm3kq6q the sarcasm is lost on this one
The fact that our offense looks worse w/o Matt Patricia and Joe Judge is saying a lot. Then there’s the injuries and lack of personnel. And I just feel bad for Mac Jones, he’s the scapegoat in the end. What a time to be a pats fan lol
Great points. Belichick is being exposed.
I won't lie with the way Unc has completely changed his stance on Tom Brady. It makes me wonder if Skip had him purposefully opposing Brady for the sake of entertaining debates.
He’s never changed his stance really. He’s always said Tom was that guy which is why he said I wish I had gave him MORE credit. Skip wanted to take into account Brady’s career accomplishments rather than debate the year in itself. Go back and watch the debates
@@jefe_prod_it Changing your stance and giving more credit is the same thing. He no longer had the opinion he once had. He gave credit but he made it clear who he thought was the driving force of those teams. He used to go on TV and argue that "Bill Belichick is 70% and Tom Brady is 30% of the pie for those super bowls." "Nobody mentions how Tom Brady was carried by those Belichick defenses in multiple superbowls." My personal favorite, "Tom Brady will not reach the Superbowl and win a Superbowl before Belichick." Now his stance is "Tom Brady is the BIGGEST ERASER ever for Belichick's mistakes as a coach, as a GM, and on the field." That is quite the stance change.
I'm a bit confused by Stephen A's Belichick numbers:
He's 80-94 without Tom Brady starting the game.
That's a Win% of .460
That's absolutely crappy.
If we want to be nice, and say that he really didn't become a great coach until his second chance as Patriots head coach. It's even worse!
44-49 .473
The coaching staff and player personnel decisions is the difference as well.