As somebody who both uses various brands of powered speakers in live sound applications, as well as fixing them when they break, I just wanted to mention that the lots of screws / lots of silicone glue thing is intended to prevent vibration damage when playing at full volume, as well as hopefully protect from the inevitable tumbles and rough handling that happen to musical equipment on the road. Also, on this particular speaker, the back plate is forming part of the speaker enclosure, so ideally it should not flex or leak air when the speaker is used a high volume levels. The only way to achieve that is with lots of screws, or by molding a sealed chamber in the back where the amp module can live in peace. Alto chose "lots of screws". I was surprised, and pleased to see that the amp module uses discreet MOSFETs on such an incredibly cheap powered speaker. Most manufacturers in this price range use the TDA8953 / 8954 amp on a chip, which is complete chintz in my opinion. And of course it should be obvious, but I'll say it anyway... there is no way on this earth, or in any other universe that this is a 2000 watt amp. Based in NDA service manuals for similar products, we might expect something in the 200 watt RMS range. It appears from your video that they use different MOSFETs on each channel, so perhaps 30-50 watts RMS on the compression driver, and around 150 watts on the woofer. Usually, manufacturers use the same amp board across the different sizes of speakers (10", 12" & 15") in a series, and they program the DSP to deliver the amount of power appropriate for the size of the woofer. If the series has a subwoofer in it, some companies will choose to use the same MOSFETs & inductors on both channels, then either use a dual voice coil driver in the sub, or design the amp so it can be put in bridge mono mode to feed a single voice coil sub - the old QSC KW family does the latter. The compression drivers are nearly always the exact same part across all sizes in the series. Good video sir, always fun to see what is inside other brands I've never had a chance to crack open.
Those are Chinese watts. Their exact relation to the regular watts is unknown, as it is a classified and strictly protected state secret and a property of CCP, but the approximate conversion ratio, as figured out by the generations of engineers, ought to be about 10-15%. The half-bridge topology of the power supply, the size of the transformer and the two 470uF 180V caps in series suggest that the output power is indeed in the region of 200VA. Whether they use ICs or discrete MOSFETS, D-class amps are utter rubbish regardless.
@@noneofyerbeeswax8194 - "Whether they use ICs or discrete MOSFETS, D-class amps are utter rubbish regardless" - lol... perhaps you can pass that along to Powersoft... and D&B Audiotechnik... D&B might even be able to get their designs changed over whatever your personal preference is (I assume AB, but hey, maybe you're an H person) before the next EDC show comes up. Definitely. I'm sure they will.
Lucky you Mark, I have been servicing this brand for many years and I am sick and tired of them. Few are the cases of such an easy problem. Not to mention the least of support from the manufacturer. I take the chance to introduce myself. I have been on the service market for over 35 years now. I got to you randomly and, since then ( a few weeks ago) I am trapped on your videos, why? I thought I was a man from another planet but, since I discovered you, I know that there are other technicians who use the old school methods, to me the only reasonable and logical ones, but not for most of the people out there. Watching you servicing is like looking into a mirror, rather than a screen, for the way you work and I like what I see. Greetings from Tenerife and sorry for my english
@@BrahimDagher I am on the Canary Islands, I'll gladly help you but I'm afraid it'll worth to buy a new one just for the costs of shipping and customs.
Hola Juan! Aquí desde Barcelona. Hoy he desarmado uno de mis altavoces porque hacen con un intervalo de tiempo bastante regular un pitido agudo súper molesto... Has tratado alguna vez con este problema? Saludos!
@@micabeza1643 Hola, la verdad es que no. ¿Es un ALTO?, normalmente emplean un amplificador integrado tipo TDA7293 y he tenido problemas con una resistencia SMD que llevan en la entrada de audio, justo después de un condensador de desacople, pero aparte de algún que otro IC quemado, no recuerdo tener ese tipo de problemas. Los pitidos en amplificadores suelen ser, de forma general, problemas de oscilación por fallos en la red zobel o, posiblemente, algún problema en los previos. Pero es algo que no he tenido, hasta ahora, con ningún módulo de este tipo.
U remind me of me grandad... He was a watch repairer. He would rather sometimes engineer a cog or a wheel for a grandfather clock than peddle his bike to buy one. The love and care he provided to the the item was only understandable to engineers like us alike. 😎👍
I used to think that having an electric screwdriver on my hobby bench would just be an extravagance. (Not saying that's a bad thing; I have other quirky things already.) But after watching a few of your videos, I can see how it's a very practical tool that gets quite a workout! Much of my work is homebrewing projects from scratch, so it's already broken and not working before going into any enclosure 🙂 Thanks for the great videos and all the work you invest into making and editing them for us.
Apart from the amazing knowledge and skills , Mark is also a master camera man and video editor. He moves camera positions so often so we can see. What’s going on, no static overhead shots for this man! I dread to think how long the editing takes. Mrs Mark must be very forgiving 😂
Hey Mark, as a test and repair tech that used to work for Citronic, (when they had their factory in Melksham in Wiltshire), I am finding your videos very reminiscent of the time I spent fixing audio gear. I now work in IT, but keep my hand in as a DJ (another reason I worked ay Citronic). I have a pair of TS115A's which had intermittently dropped output to the bass speakers. Inspired by your video, I ventured to have a go at fixing these & and... success! I have never worked on Class D stuff before so I was quite wary of doing it. Time to fix one cabinet was about 2 hours especially after trying to remember how it all went back together again (used the other speaker as an aid memoir!). It was dry joint s galore. Lead free solder is pants! Thanks for the videos, it is quite cathartic watching someone else do all the work!
Wow a Citronic engineer, somehow I became a mobile DJ at my 6th Form for a few years. My first setup, I built two shell Citronic belt driven turntables into an MDF box, bought variable sliders from Maplin to change the speed to the motor, and added a reverse switch too for fun. Could just about beat match on them but wo and flutter was terrible on a £50 deck😆. Moved to Soundlab direct drives as couldn't afford Technics SL1200'S so wish I had though then.
@ Citronic originally used Garrard SP25’s in their consoles when I joined the company. The big consoles started having Technics turntables fitted, but not SL1200’s, but I can’t remember which models exactly. The then went to Garrard ‘Disco Drivers’ for the small consoles and SL1200’s for the premium consoles, but issues with availability meant they went to BSR’s and then their own branded decks. I actually preferred the disco drivers to the BSR’s and could beat mix by braking one deck by pinching the centre spindle and ensuring the BPM’s were similar by a good knowledge of the music. They were good days, a long time ago now!
Fixing that was like stroking a dog through a letterbox 😁 I finished work an hour ago to watch you do what I do. Smashing some overtime in 🤟 Thanks for posting Mark
I HAVE A TS312 ....YOU CAN BE VERY USEFUL TO ME, AM ALWAYS POKING AROUND WITH DJ EQUIPMENT. ANOTHER GREAT REPAIR. YOU JUST EARNED ANOTHER SUBSCRIBER !!!
The beauty about Class D is that you can put a DSP into the control loop and correct the signals, you can also have your cross over directly in the digital domain.
nice vid, Active Speaker top boxes can only play hi & mids with some mid bass and not bass below 60hz,this were a power sub box come in to play. i have seen alot of powered speakers being use in the wrong way it was made to be use.
Hi Mark, everytime i see you get a shock in the titles it makes me laugh. I've repaired loads of speakers with the same issue. The last one was that the magnet came off of the bass driver, but the coil unbelievably was still intact. So i carefully bent the metal mounting lugs back into place then some strong resin to add extra strength, and yaaaay it worked. Keep up the great work m8. Paul😊
It's all inMusic Brands all the way down. I work for them so it's always fun to see our stuff out in the wild. I just work in IT and I'm one tiny cog in a very large complicated machine but as someone who's dragged kit like this around on the road as both a performing musician and in the corporate event business in my past lives it's really cool to see what this stuff is like on the inside. Wish we'd had class D back then
Hey Mark, nice repair, just a little info about the tongs you use to snip off the ends of the cable ties. I used to use the same Knipex ones till one day I had to do an installation and when cutting into a piece of plastic, one side of the tongs broke off and flew straight into my eye, have been on disability since with no sign of it ever improving. So just a heads up, beware of those tongs!
Gotta love an easy fix :) I bought a 1u power amp a couple months back, Its only fault was a blown main fuse... I originally assumed a short within the amp, to cause the blown fuse, But to this day, Running flawless on a new fuse... So must have been a power spike or something... Either way.... Loved an easy fix :D
I have a TS110A that i managed to blow up with a 500v PAT test. Peculiarities included that the amp was in a separate compartment with tbe wires glued through a hole, unlike the later unit shown in your video. There were thinner and thicker wires, the thicker ones went to the compression driver! The amp powers on, but doesn't get to the stage were it outputs, there is no HF or LF hiss at all. :/
2000 Watts my ass :D - 200 Watts top. Great job, I like your smile, and enthusiasm, and yeah, looking at the crack around the tin soldering was suspicious at first sight.. Long ago I caught a tiny crack on the circuit line, noticed only with magnifying glass, and that was the source of the failure!
Exactly. I was curious about the title "2000W Active Speaker Repair". Never in my dreams has that thing 2000 W. Maybe for 10 msec? But not continuous. It's pure sales muck. That aside: he found the problem so easy - I am deeply impressed with the knowledge and experience of that man. I only found him yesterday and am binge watching since.
Not even close to 200w. I would be quite surprised if it just made 50w at 8 ohms 20-20k Hz. I asked Mark this before but to no avail. On the so called 5kw Crown. He is highly skilled and i believe could fix just about anything with current in it. I just have to get over the fact that he passes on the company lies like that when even a child knows better. Mark this is for you: I suggest calculating these numbers in the future for you viewers to compare to the utter bs from companies. That way it becomes interesting and you avoid to repeat other peoples obvious bs.
@@CT-vm4gfI had a guy get really upset with me when I pointed out his 10,000watt amp couldn't "really" be so given it was powered from a wall plug that supplied a max of 3120watts, I know it could perhaps do it for milliseconds but he was using it for big subwoofers playing continuously heavy bass. Irony was I was trying to be nice but he prefered the "little white lie" so he could show off a big number
You'd think they would cushion those pcbs better to prevent that kind of damage! BTW, when I have something like that where I know it's a common point of failure, I'll sometimes put some redundancy in it, like a bodge wire from the solder joint to a nearby trace, in case it fails again.
Good that you fixed it. What surprised me is that you put all those screws back together before you tested it. Why? I would think for a low output test it should work without the cooling elements. And if there are another problem then you wouldn't have to do all the screws again.
Hola amigo estupendo tu canal me gusta mucho gracias por tu excelente trabajo 👍 me encantaría mucho si activases en todos tus vídeos los subtitulos en todos los idiomas el mio nativo es el español, y si en lo posible un día pudieras hacer unos vídeos explicativos muy detallados de tus equipos con los que reparas ,y algo más jjj de la serie de protección , y las cargas resistiva, con todo el esquema de construcción gracias y un fuerte abrazo
I think "PMPO" is what this spec is called: peak music power output (if I'm correct). But the continuous power, when putting a sine wave through (say 60 Hz for a woofer), that's real, but won't sell as well.
That's why active speakers should be advertised with their SPL and average power draw figures. None of that peak power BS! Specifying how much power is delivered into the driver -- be it peak or average -- has no meaning whatsoever.
I've got a duff Dali E-12F subwoofer (known for problems with the amplifier board) so you've got me wondering now if it could be a problem with dry joints!
I work in a DJ shop on repairs, it's got to the point where we won't even take Alto stuff in for repair any more. Don't need the headache of fixing it, only for the customer to bring it back a month later with another fault! They're not a bad sounding speaker, just not very reliable it seems. And 2000 Watt? Nearer 200 than 2000 I'd say, don't know how these Chinese manufacturers get away with such bare-faced lies on their specs...
I have been repairing domestic and professional audio for 45+ years, and I won't touch ANY of this modern china junk. It's just not worth my time or my reputation. The boards are a nightmare to work on, the copper tracks lift off if you even look at them and getting replacement components (if you can even work out what they are) isn't easy or even possible in some instances. China gets away with making rubbish and telling lies because people keep on buying their junk. If people boycotted it and refused to buy it, there would be no market and hopefully they'd stop making it. Also there is no way to stop china telling lies on their products - who are you going to complain to?
Alto is part of the Inmusic group in the USA. Designed in the USA and built in the orient. I agree that built in China is not a great label to have. That is why Ashdown’s top range tube bass amplifiers manufacture was returned to the UK, for better quality control. Japan, South Korea and Indonesia seem to be good for high quality instrument manufacture, so I would hazard a guess that electronic manufacture might well be if a similar high standard. It appears that power supplies made in China often suffer from parts being removed from the build AFTER attaining CE certification for the design in order to cut build costs (they remove RF filtering components to save money). The result is RF noisy psu’s which interfere with radio receivers and pollute the radio spectrum. They are a bloody menace.
Nice job Mark, reminds me of a car stereo I fixed for a friend with the exact same problem. Didn't have a lick of any kind of adhesive on it though. Your one was covered in it and still failed. Do you think it's down to thermal cycles in your case, that's a nice lump of copper!
hello mark been watching your channel for quite a bit now you are very knowledgeable ...do you think that amplifier is 2000 watts ...true 2000 watts ???? ..i have yamaha dxr series powered speakers and dont go no where near 2000 watts ..alto ?
I'm just waiting for the day when a simple frequency sweep hits a YT content match. Satisfying that it was a relatively simple fix, though. Gosh, I'd get lost after the covers came off. I guess after you fix a few hundred things you learn what to look for.
Features Redesigned transducers for more efficient performance Class-D bi-amplification with 1,000 peak output 10" low-frequency driver with 2.5" high-temperature voice coil 1.4" high-frequency driver with neodymium magnet Compact, lightweight design for increased portability ($299.00)
What a horrible job to get in. This has put me off ever opening the 5 Kv2 EX10 active speakers I have, they'll be on thier way to you! You mention the voltage in the caps, for folk who don't know it would be an idea to explain and discharge safely.
12:45 . . . for those wondering how Copyright-It-Mark tested the LED wires to see which is negative, he likely set his multimeter to "Diode Mode" and then put the Digital Multimeter RED probe to the contact he suspected was POSITIVE and the BLACK probe to the suspected NEGATIVE terminal contact . . . if the LED lights up, then the RED PROBE touching wire is POSITIVE. If the LED doesn't light up, then reverse the RED and BLACK probes on the wires and if the LED lights then the RED PROBE wire in that instance is the Positive. If there's no LED lighting either way, replace the LED and try the probes again . . . you can also inspect the LED leads where they connect to the wires as the longer lead is the ANODE (POSITIVE) and shorter lead is the CATHODE (NEGATIVE).
Hi Mark, I tried to fix my AKAI Amp after it getting wet and it probably only had a minor fault but in the process I didn't recognize the drain of the transistors were connected to the metal heatsink on them. So it came like it had to and when taking out the board, I touched the heatsink with the metal thingy and it made a small smark between heatsink and transistor (seems like caps weren't drained). The power fuse ( 2.5A on the other side of the board) blew immediately. What do you think I should do? Is it possible that only the fuse blew or should I look for other faults on the board?
Pop a PTC thermistor on the tweeter input. Would have to work out ac voltage near peek but it will heat up and increase resistance protecting tweeter driver from over powering.wont stop square waves though???
ill also teach you a small simple trick to get the amp panels off the speaker, i use a short XLR that goes between an input and out put, (its filled internally with hot glue or resin to act as a handle, and a firm tug gets them out
whats the song at the begining? Sounds like a rendition of take me out to the ball game I want to know the name of that piece Super work on the skeaker too thanks was fun to see whats inside an alto speaker. I am getting one soon. was there polyfill inside?
I have all Alto speakers, which have done me right for years. 2000w is peak, of course. But they are extremely loud, clean and efficient. The problem I'm having is not with my mains, but one of my TS212s subwoofers. I've have them for 6-7 years, so they've served me well, until one completely died. Won't power on. Tried replacing fuse, but no luck. Not sure it this would be a similar fix, or something else entirely. I'm no electrician. Wondering if this might fix the problem, or something else entirely.
Love your channel, Mark. Whats the Blue material you are using for your work surface? I have a black Anti Static material, which was a nice idea, but heat sink compound makes a hell of a mess on the black. Ive got to change it for something that can be cleaned easier!!
I've got an Alto TS115. I've run it pretty hard for several years and I think it's had it tbh, but basically, after being run for more than 20 or 30 mins, it loses all it's bass and mids really. I'm wondering if this is the same problem? Would it be delayed if it was this part?
I have an alto 15” and it won’t power on any more . Can you give me any recommendations? I have changed the fuse ( was not burn out). It still the speaker does not power on . Help
As adioflyer2030 stated the amplifier is actually around 200 watts and not 2000 watts as stated on the encloser, to many company's are stating unreal wattages on their products. One way to tell is if it doesn't say RMS after the wattage, for instance '200 Watts RMS'. If it doesn't have those 3 letters divide the wattage by 10 and that will give you a true wattage, so 2000 divided by 10 = 200.
Where are u based ? I’ve a dsr 115 with protection light on . Been told need a new amp module but surely will be one component that needs sorting🤷🏻♂️any response will be really appreciated.
Where are you based I've got a qtx 15a active speaker It works with low volume but as soon as i Turn it up, it sounds really distorted Being told it's the amplifier
Hi Mark, Some 30 years ago I obtained a circuit to do a simple modfification to remotely control a Technics 1210 Mk2 turntable with three wires conected to the PCB and the audio mixer, unfortuneatly I have mislaied the info and it is no longer any referance to it on the internet, are you able to suggest a simple mod. I really enjoy your repair videos keep up the good work
Are the silicone pads under those devices not very good? You shouldn't need thermal compound AND silicone pads. Usually it's one or the other. The whole point of silicone pads is to eliminate the need for thermal compound.
Have you measured real power of the amps? I really dont believe that it has even 1000W in total. Maybe closer to 500W. But dont have such speaker so cannot do that.
Based on the board it looks like there might be IRS2092 chips, with capacitors rated at 63V and even with 4ohm speaker it can take max 300W per woofer LOL
Why at 76 years old do i find myself waching your vidios,Amswer you cheer me up!!! good luck.
Same here just a little younger than you.
His good nature comes thru in the videos👍🙂
Each video is like a good book. Intro, context, outcome... I'm 28 and I find this very relaxing.
same here at 67!!!😄😄😄
As somebody who both uses various brands of powered speakers in live sound applications, as well as fixing them when they break, I just wanted to mention that the lots of screws / lots of silicone glue thing is intended to prevent vibration damage when playing at full volume, as well as hopefully protect from the inevitable tumbles and rough handling that happen to musical equipment on the road. Also, on this particular speaker, the back plate is forming part of the speaker enclosure, so ideally it should not flex or leak air when the speaker is used a high volume levels. The only way to achieve that is with lots of screws, or by molding a sealed chamber in the back where the amp module can live in peace. Alto chose "lots of screws".
I was surprised, and pleased to see that the amp module uses discreet MOSFETs on such an incredibly cheap powered speaker. Most manufacturers in this price range use the TDA8953 / 8954 amp on a chip, which is complete chintz in my opinion. And of course it should be obvious, but I'll say it anyway... there is no way on this earth, or in any other universe that this is a 2000 watt amp. Based in NDA service manuals for similar products, we might expect something in the 200 watt RMS range. It appears from your video that they use different MOSFETs on each channel, so perhaps 30-50 watts RMS on the compression driver, and around 150 watts on the woofer. Usually, manufacturers use the same amp board across the different sizes of speakers (10", 12" & 15") in a series, and they program the DSP to deliver the amount of power appropriate for the size of the woofer. If the series has a subwoofer in it, some companies will choose to use the same MOSFETs & inductors on both channels, then either use a dual voice coil driver in the sub, or design the amp so it can be put in bridge mono mode to feed a single voice coil sub - the old QSC KW family does the latter. The compression drivers are nearly always the exact same part across all sizes in the series. Good video sir, always fun to see what is inside other brands I've never had a chance to crack open.
Those are Chinese watts. Their exact relation to the regular watts is unknown, as it is a classified and strictly protected state secret and a property of CCP, but the approximate conversion ratio, as figured out by the generations of engineers, ought to be about 10-15%.
The half-bridge topology of the power supply, the size of the transformer and the two 470uF 180V caps in series suggest that the output power is indeed in the region of 200VA.
Whether they use ICs or discrete MOSFETS, D-class amps are utter rubbish regardless.
@@noneofyerbeeswax8194 - "Whether they use ICs or discrete MOSFETS, D-class amps are utter rubbish regardless" - lol... perhaps you can pass that along to Powersoft... and D&B Audiotechnik... D&B might even be able to get their designs changed over whatever your personal preference is (I assume AB, but hey, maybe you're an H person) before the next EDC show comes up. Definitely. I'm sure they will.
Thanks for passing on you experience and understanding of this, it helps people like me😊
Tldr
@@noneofyerbeeswax8194 How do Chines Watts compare with Amstrad Watts from the 1970's?
Lucky you Mark, I have been servicing this brand for many years and I am sick and tired of them. Few are the cases of such an easy problem. Not to mention the least of support from the manufacturer. I take the chance to introduce myself. I have been on the service market for over 35 years now. I got to you randomly and, since then ( a few weeks ago) I am trapped on your videos, why? I thought I was a man from another planet but, since I discovered you, I know that there are other technicians who use the old school methods, to me the only reasonable and logical ones, but not for most of the people out there. Watching you servicing is like looking into a mirror, rather than a screen, for the way you work and I like what I see. Greetings from Tenerife and sorry for my english
Can I send you mine for repair? I’m US based
@@BrahimDagher I am on the Canary Islands, I'll gladly help you but I'm afraid it'll worth to buy a new one just for the costs of shipping and customs.
Hola Juan! Aquí desde Barcelona. Hoy he desarmado uno de mis altavoces porque hacen con un intervalo de tiempo bastante regular un pitido agudo súper molesto... Has tratado alguna vez con este problema? Saludos!
@@micabeza1643 Hola, la verdad es que no. ¿Es un ALTO?, normalmente emplean un amplificador integrado tipo TDA7293 y he tenido problemas con una resistencia SMD que llevan en la entrada de audio, justo después de un condensador de desacople, pero aparte de algún que otro IC quemado, no recuerdo tener ese tipo de problemas. Los pitidos en amplificadores suelen ser, de forma general, problemas de oscilación por fallos en la red zobel o, posiblemente, algún problema en los previos. Pero es algo que no he tenido, hasta ahora, con ningún módulo de este tipo.
What a likeable and pleasant guy!
U remind me of me grandad... He was a watch repairer. He would rather sometimes engineer a cog or a wheel for a grandfather clock than peddle his bike to buy one.
The love and care he provided to the the item was only understandable to engineers like us alike. 😎👍
I used to think that having an electric screwdriver on my hobby bench would just be an extravagance. (Not saying that's a bad thing; I have other quirky things already.) But after watching a few of your videos, I can see how it's a very practical tool that gets quite a workout! Much of my work is homebrewing projects from scratch, so it's already broken and not working before going into any enclosure 🙂
Thanks for the great videos and all the work you invest into making and editing them for us.
Apart from the amazing knowledge and skills , Mark is also a master camera man and video editor. He moves camera positions so often so we can see. What’s going on, no static overhead shots for this man! I dread to think how long the editing takes. Mrs Mark must be very forgiving 😂
Hey Mark, as a test and repair tech that used to work for Citronic, (when they had their factory in Melksham in Wiltshire), I am finding your videos very reminiscent of the time I spent fixing audio gear. I now work in IT, but keep my hand in as a DJ (another reason I worked ay Citronic). I have a pair of TS115A's which had intermittently dropped output to the bass speakers. Inspired by your video, I ventured to have a go at fixing these & and... success! I have never worked on Class D stuff before so I was quite wary of doing it. Time to fix one cabinet was about 2 hours especially after trying to remember how it all went back together again (used the other speaker as an aid memoir!). It was dry joint s galore. Lead free solder is pants! Thanks for the videos, it is quite cathartic watching someone else do all the work!
Wow a Citronic engineer, somehow I became a mobile DJ at my 6th Form for a few years. My first setup, I built two shell Citronic belt driven turntables into an MDF box, bought variable sliders from Maplin to change the speed to the motor, and added a reverse switch too for fun. Could just about beat match on them but wo and flutter was terrible on a £50 deck😆. Moved to Soundlab direct drives as couldn't afford Technics SL1200'S so wish I had though then.
@ Citronic originally used Garrard SP25’s in their consoles when I joined the company. The big consoles started having Technics turntables fitted, but not SL1200’s, but I can’t remember which models exactly. The then went to Garrard ‘Disco Drivers’ for the small consoles and SL1200’s for the premium consoles, but issues with availability meant they went to BSR’s and then their own branded decks. I actually preferred the disco drivers to the BSR’s and could beat mix by braking one deck by pinching the centre spindle and ensuring the BPM’s were similar by a good knowledge of the music.
They were good days, a long time ago now!
Watched a few of these now this guy is a genius 👏 keep up the great work ...
Fixing that was like stroking a dog through a letterbox 😁
I finished work an hour ago to watch you do what I do. Smashing some overtime in 🤟
Thanks for posting Mark
I feel the palette knife spreading of the heat sink compound is not only a good idea but a great tool for the job.
I HAVE A TS312 ....YOU CAN BE VERY USEFUL TO ME, AM ALWAYS POKING AROUND WITH DJ EQUIPMENT. ANOTHER GREAT REPAIR. YOU JUST EARNED ANOTHER SUBSCRIBER !!!
I'm picking up knowledge and understanding with every video you make and you're a good egg to boot so happy days👍🙂
The beauty about Class D is that you can put a DSP into the control loop and correct the signals, you can also have your cross over directly in the digital domain.
Amazing how lucky you are to have so many fixes to be a simple cold solder joint. I was rarely that lucky.
I always give big inductor legs a tug, on numerous occasions I've had them snap Within the board out of sight! thanks for a great clip, as always!
nice vid, Active Speaker top boxes can only play hi & mids with some mid bass and not bass below 60hz,this were a power sub box come in to play. i have seen alot of powered speakers being use in the wrong way it was made to be use.
Hi Mark, everytime i see you get a shock in the titles it makes me laugh. I've repaired loads of speakers with the same issue. The last one was that the magnet came off of the bass driver, but the coil unbelievably was still intact. So i carefully bent the metal mounting lugs back into place then some strong resin to add extra strength, and yaaaay it worked. Keep up the great work m8. Paul😊
OMG! This actually helped! Alto TS310 is actually Headrush frfr 112. Same company for sure. Thank you!
It's all inMusic Brands all the way down. I work for them so it's always fun to see our stuff out in the wild. I just work in IT and I'm one tiny cog in a very large complicated machine but as someone who's dragged kit like this around on the road as both a performing musician and in the corporate event business in my past lives it's really cool to see what this stuff is like on the inside. Wish we'd had class D back then
Hey Mark, nice repair, just a little info about the tongs you use to snip off the ends of the cable ties. I used to use the same Knipex ones till one day I had to do an installation and when cutting into a piece of plastic, one side of the tongs broke off and flew straight into my eye, have been on disability since with no sign of it ever improving. So just a heads up, beware of those tongs!
That’s such bad luck. Sometimes I’m glad I wear glasses.
Incredible bad luck. Maybe it's just habit, but I always squint when snipping anything.
Gotta love an easy fix :)
I bought a 1u power amp a couple months back, Its only fault was a blown main fuse...
I originally assumed a short within the amp, to cause the blown fuse, But to this day, Running flawless on a new fuse... So must have been a power spike or something...
Either way.... Loved an easy fix :D
sweet what amp is it?
Mark thanks for bringing us along. Best wishes.
Not to used out side of a Bedroom. Or this is what you will suffer every time. Great Video again Mark, Keep 'Em coming.
great watch as always Mark I have a duff TS210 I will now have a look for some dodgy Joints the unit appears sound otherwise
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I have a TS110A that i managed to blow up with a 500v PAT test. Peculiarities included that the amp was in a separate compartment with tbe wires glued through a hole, unlike the later unit shown in your video. There were thinner and thicker wires, the thicker ones went to the compression driver! The amp powers on, but doesn't get to the stage were it outputs, there is no HF or LF hiss at all. :/
2000 Watts my ass :D - 200 Watts top.
Great job, I like your smile, and enthusiasm, and yeah, looking at the crack around the tin soldering was suspicious at first sight.. Long ago I caught a tiny crack on the circuit line, noticed only with magnifying glass, and that was the source of the failure!
Exactly. I was curious about the title "2000W Active Speaker Repair". Never in my dreams has that thing 2000 W. Maybe for 10 msec? But not continuous. It's pure sales muck.
That aside: he found the problem so easy - I am deeply impressed with the knowledge and experience of that man. I only found him yesterday and am binge watching since.
Maybe 50 watts in the scene..., that mini power supply gives hope for that.
Not even close to 200w. I would be quite surprised if it just made 50w at 8 ohms 20-20k Hz. I asked Mark this before but to no avail. On the so called 5kw Crown. He is highly skilled and i believe could fix just about anything with current in it. I just have to get over the fact that he passes on the company lies like that when even a child knows better. Mark this is for you: I suggest calculating these numbers in the future for you viewers to compare to the utter bs from companies. That way it becomes interesting and you avoid to repeat other peoples obvious bs.
He knows that even a child knows better. These videos are made for technical people that understand that’s a bs figure.
@@CT-vm4gfI had a guy get really upset with me when I pointed out his 10,000watt amp couldn't "really" be so given it was powered from a wall plug that supplied a max of 3120watts, I know it could perhaps do it for milliseconds but he was using it for big subwoofers playing continuously heavy bass. Irony was I was trying to be nice but he prefered the "little white lie" so he could show off a big number
You'd think they would cushion those pcbs better to prevent that kind of damage!
BTW, when I have something like that where I know it's a common point of failure, I'll sometimes put some redundancy in it, like a bodge wire from the solder joint to a nearby trace, in case it fails again.
Good idea, back up fail safe.
Good that you fixed it. What surprised me is that you put all those screws back together before you tested it. Why? I would think for a low output test it should work without the cooling elements. And if there are another problem then you wouldn't have to do all the screws again.
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I load tested one of those and it only made 245w rms. 2000w a bit of a dream. Spiked at 1805w at 1khz.
... and for the better, imagine what that poor 10" woofer would do, if subjected to currents anywhere near the official figures.
PA speakers are sadly often marketed using the peak output rather that the RMS output. Quite a slimy industry in that regard.
I think "PMPO" is what this spec is called: peak music power output (if I'm correct). But the continuous power, when putting a sine wave through (say 60 Hz for a woofer), that's real, but won't sell as well.
These manufacturers do Try to kid on with over the top figures.. at least qsc powered speakers are pretty close to their ratings.
That's why active speakers should be advertised with their SPL and average power draw figures. None of that peak power BS!
Specifying how much power is delivered into the driver -- be it peak or average -- has no meaning whatsoever.
I've got a duff Dali E-12F subwoofer (known for problems with the amplifier board) so you've got me wondering now if it could be a problem with dry joints!
I work in a DJ shop on repairs, it's got to the point where we won't even take Alto stuff in for repair any more. Don't need the headache of fixing it, only for the customer to bring it back a month later with another fault! They're not a bad sounding speaker, just not very reliable it seems. And 2000 Watt? Nearer 200 than 2000 I'd say, don't know how these Chinese manufacturers get away with such bare-faced lies on their specs...
I have been repairing domestic and professional audio for 45+ years, and I won't touch ANY of this modern china junk. It's just not worth my time or my reputation. The boards are a nightmare to work on, the copper tracks lift off if you even look at them and getting replacement components (if you can even work out what they are) isn't easy or even possible in some instances. China gets away with making rubbish and telling lies because people keep on buying their junk. If people boycotted it and refused to buy it, there would be no market and hopefully they'd stop making it. Also there is no way to stop china telling lies on their products - who are you going to complain to?
Alto is part of the Inmusic group in the USA. Designed in the USA and built in the orient. I agree that built in China is not a great label to have. That is why Ashdown’s top range tube bass amplifiers manufacture was returned to the UK, for better quality control. Japan, South Korea and Indonesia seem to be good for high quality instrument manufacture, so I would hazard a guess that electronic manufacture might well be if a similar high standard. It appears that power supplies made in China often suffer from parts being removed from the build AFTER attaining CE certification for the design in order to cut build costs (they remove RF filtering components to save money). The result is RF noisy psu’s which interfere with radio receivers and pollute the radio spectrum. They are a bloody menace.
I have four of this speakers and two have gone bad already. Any recommendations on a good brand ?
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but I do find myself watching a lot of your videos Mark - thanks
Nice job Mark, reminds me of a car stereo I fixed for a friend with the exact same problem. Didn't have a lick of any kind of adhesive on it though. Your one was covered in it and still failed. Do you think it's down to thermal cycles in your case, that's a nice lump of copper!
Good point, makes sense, usually movement breaks the whole solder pad from pcb, or fatigues the coil where it joins. not that I've had much experience
hello mark been watching your channel for quite a bit now you are very knowledgeable ...do you think that amplifier is 2000 watts ...true 2000 watts ???? ..i have yamaha dxr series powered speakers and dont go no where near 2000 watts ..alto ?
As you said, more work to get to the issue than fixing it. Such a simple issue as well.
I'm just waiting for the day when a simple frequency sweep hits a YT content match. Satisfying that it was a relatively simple fix, though. Gosh, I'd get lost after the covers came off. I guess after you fix a few hundred things you learn what to look for.
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Proper job again, shame that we can already tell what will pop next on these - the chinesium caps!
Did you check the woofer before you started tearing the amp apart?
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What a horrible job to get in. This has put me off ever opening the 5 Kv2 EX10 active speakers I have, they'll be on thier way to you!
You mention the voltage in the caps, for folk who don't know it would be an idea to explain and discharge safely.
Nice vid, love the skillful repairs. But this amp, what an aweful thing. Can't expect any decent sound out of it even if it works like intended.
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Love speakers like this "power consumption 800w" ....yet its somehow a 2kw speaker.
2000w pmpo
Easy fix! Can't imagine these are anywhere near 2000Watts
How much do you charge for a repair like this?
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12:45 . . . for those wondering how Copyright-It-Mark tested the LED wires to see which is negative, he likely set his multimeter to "Diode Mode" and then put the Digital Multimeter RED probe to the contact he suspected was POSITIVE and the BLACK probe to the suspected NEGATIVE terminal contact . . . if the LED lights up, then the RED PROBE touching wire is POSITIVE. If the LED doesn't light up, then reverse the RED and BLACK probes on the wires and if the LED lights then the RED PROBE wire in that instance is the Positive. If there's no LED lighting either way, replace the LED and try the probes again . . . you can also inspect the LED leads where they connect to the wires as the longer lead is the ANODE (POSITIVE) and shorter lead is the CATHODE (NEGATIVE).
Hi Mark, I tried to fix my AKAI Amp after it getting wet and it probably only had a minor fault but in the process I didn't recognize the drain of the transistors were connected to the metal heatsink on them. So it came like it had to and when taking out the board, I touched the heatsink with the metal thingy and it made a small smark between heatsink and transistor (seems like caps weren't drained). The power fuse ( 2.5A on the other side of the board) blew immediately. What do you think I should do? Is it possible that only the fuse blew or should I look for other faults on the board?
For information, can you please advise what make, model and tip style you use? 😁
It’s a Metcal MX5000 soldering station. I like the 3.5mm chisel tip. I use it for everything!
Mark which soldering iron do you use ? great vids 👍👍
What a mess! Well done.
Love the smiley face well done !
Pop a PTC thermistor on the tweeter input. Would have to work out ac voltage near peek but it will heat up and increase resistance protecting tweeter driver from over powering.wont stop square waves though???
10w quartz iodine bulb works fine. That's why Bose had the 20-200w rating.
2000 watts?- next time you look at a d class would you look at the actual power with distortion analysed?
Mark your the man....sooooooo clever!!
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I presume you shorted the capacitors off camera before you opened the power supply?
ill also teach you a small simple trick to get the amp panels off the speaker, i use a short XLR that goes between an input and out put, (its filled internally with hot glue or resin to act as a handle, and a firm tug gets them out
My powered speaker turns on..but when i put the volume up..the music sounds scratchy and starts cutting out..also no sound coming out of ny subwoofer
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Hi Mark, do you mind telling me what soldering iron you use , mine is so crap , yours looks epic
Mark, at what temperature do you usually keep your soldering iron?
I have same brand and the model is ts315.. ..but i have a problem of my tweeter is not working properly! its working but you can't heard louder!!
Dont mind pal ...but you are looking like young Winston Churchill ❤😂😂😂
Any chance you’ve had a look at any TS412/415’s?
Can’t seem to find anybody doing a tear down or similar to see what the guts of it is like…
whats the song at the begining?
Sounds like a rendition of take me out to the ball game I want to know the name of that piece
Super work on the skeaker too thanks was fun to see whats inside an alto speaker.
I am getting one soon. was there polyfill inside?
I have all Alto speakers, which have done me right for years. 2000w is peak, of course. But they are extremely loud, clean and efficient. The problem I'm having is not with my mains, but one of my TS212s subwoofers. I've have them for 6-7 years, so they've served me well, until one completely died. Won't power on. Tried replacing fuse, but no luck. Not sure it this would be a similar fix, or something else entirely. I'm no electrician. Wondering if this might fix the problem, or something else entirely.
Man, you're so happy... what you take?
are you in the uk sir?
excellent video, thank you
Love your channel, Mark. Whats the Blue material you are using for your work surface? I have a black Anti Static material, which was a nice idea, but heat sink compound makes a hell of a mess on the black. Ive got
to change it for something that can be cleaned easier!!
what are you using for your signal gen?
Serve se manual Alto ts115w onde encontro ?
I've got an Alto TS115. I've run it pretty hard for several years and I think it's had it tbh, but basically, after being run for more than 20 or 30 mins, it loses all it's bass and mids really. I'm wondering if this is the same problem? Would it be delayed if it was this part?
I have an alto 15” and it won’t power on any more . Can you give me any recommendations? I have changed the fuse ( was not burn out). It still the speaker does not power on . Help
As adioflyer2030 stated the amplifier is actually around 200 watts and not 2000 watts as stated on the encloser, to many company's are stating unreal wattages on their products. One way to tell is if it doesn't say RMS after the wattage, for instance '200 Watts RMS'. If it doesn't have those 3 letters divide the wattage by 10 and that will give you a true wattage, so 2000 divided by 10 = 200.
Hi sir..my Alto ts315 smells burning at the back the bass so low sound the tweeter is good works properly
Where are u based ? I’ve a dsr 115 with protection light on . Been told need a new amp module but surely will be one component that needs sorting🤷🏻♂️any response will be really appreciated.
2000 watts? my hairy ring 😅
The brass neck of these companies is amazing lol
Ciao Mark quanti giri fa il cacciavite elettrico? Poi non trovo più video nuovi tuoi.
Ti hanno rapito gli alieni?
When the clip red is on whats the problem? I News help with that problem
Brilliant job - thanks
Where are you based I've got a qtx 15a active speaker It works with low volume but as soon as i Turn it up, it sounds really distorted Being told it's the amplifier
Hello
How much"mV"you inject in the baffle with your frequenties generator?
Tanks
M from Belgium
I wonder why Mark did not put thread lock back on the amp chassis fixing screws, given his comments about the bass vibrating everything.
Awesome, buddy!
According to 1:55 of your video, LED red wire is closer to the edge of the board. 😉
You are so funny! Thanks for your videos!!
Hi Mark, Some 30 years ago I obtained a circuit to do a simple modfification to remotely control a Technics 1210 Mk2 turntable with three wires conected to the PCB and the audio mixer, unfortuneatly I have mislaied the info and it is no longer any referance to it on the internet, are you able to suggest a simple mod. I really enjoy your repair videos keep up the good work
Are the silicone pads under those devices not very good? You shouldn't need thermal compound AND silicone pads. Usually it's one or the other. The whole point of silicone pads is to eliminate the need for thermal compound.
Have you measured real power of the amps? I really dont believe that it has even 1000W in total. Maybe closer to 500W. But dont have such speaker so cannot do that.
Based on the board it looks like there might be IRS2092 chips, with capacitors rated at 63V and even with 4ohm speaker it can take max 300W per woofer LOL
Nice one Mark