I was excited for Levy when he announced he was going back to OTB chess to win the GM title but now its just the same cheating, 100 ELO, clickbait as usual... 🤮🤮🤮
That's what I was thinking that this guy was just more comfortable and more experienced with this opening and the positions it led to which caused the opponents to make mistakes.
@@Frakenstien20I really don't believe that anyone can do that, this isn't a bad opening, he literally handicapped himself -2 every game to someone who is only behind Hikaru and Magnus in that time format, he certainly used the engine at a specific point in the game.
NO he shouldn't do the match. He has nothing to prove. Hikaru can have fun speedrunning botez gambit but other grandmasters can't just sack an exchange? There is literally no proof he cheated. He won his games thanks to tactics and mistakes from Danya.
We dont know why he was banned. Maybe trashtalked in the comment section. Maybe he was using some sort of colloringprogram to see the boared better and the algorithm tought it was an engine.... we just dont know.
I almost feel like playing an opening in which you start off with a losing position and then coming back and winning repeatedly would trigger the anti-cheat by itself. It would just see "This person is somehow coming back from completely lost positions over and over again which is a statistical anomaly."
That's 100% it. Their algorithm only has the data it has to work with, which would be a massive number of chess games. Using an obscure, 'bad' opening at that level which nobody ever uses but winning anyway would definitely look insane to their program and get flagged for cheating.
@@cainepain3334 If you are serious it means your 1100 elo players get anxiety when handed an early and they blow it, happens to me all the time at 1000 elo. Danya when handed that winning position has forgotten all about the opening and would be able to beat or even crush a weaker grandmaster such as Brandon if no engine used. You need to show the different middle games and ask if so many varied positions could have been prepped effectively with an engine by Brandon so as to be ready to snatch victory from apparent defeat. Prep can get one player off to a good start when both sides of course start the game equal; I really question whether prep can turn a a number of opponents' solidly winning position into a loss
It's comical to me that playing low accuracy games with little time between moves to allow for optimal engine calculation could possibly result in a cheating ban.
You don't need to cheat every move. For a strong player all you need is 2 or 3 glances at key points. Besides the first option that Stockfish offers is always solid even if it will replace it with something better at later point.
You can program bots to move for you. Bullet accounts get banned all the time, even hyper bullet, because the person playing actually isnt "playing" at all, its just a virtual mouse pointer moving around from a program lol
@@andrewbloom7694 that wouldnt work in this case though, as almost all these moves arent exactly moves the engine would make lol (hence the accuracy is so low)
I don't think an in-person matchup where Brandon has to play his opening makes much sense. The main reason the opening is so successful is because it gets the opponent into unfamiliar positions. If Naroditsky could spend time studying the lines, I'm sure he would win since the opening is objectively losing. If Naroditsky wins after prep it would not necessarily prove that Brandon was cheating.
@@SaveTheTrees333 I am fully convinced that a GM could prep a singular losing line in a night. I could prep a singular losing line in a night and I'm 1550(I'm not saying I would beat Danya, that's not the point. It is not that time consuming to cram for one line that you know you are going to play.)
But a match between Brandon Jacobson and Danya where Brandon plays the same opening won’t be reflective of what happened. Danya’s gonna have time to go over the lines and analyze it deeply, but when they played those blitz matches, Danya wasn’t prepared for it which is why it was so effective.
That opening works for 1 simple reason: it takes your opponent out of their prep and any theory by the 2nd move; they have to play entirely on their own whereas the banned GM has spent dozens, possible hundreds of games learning it's tricks and traps. Given time to prepare and foreknowledge of facing that specific opening Danya, or any GM, could win the majority of matches but having it dropped in your lap out of nowhere... different story entirely. It's not really different from any other trick/trap opening aside from never being widely seen before now; once it's been study it will most likely be relegated to lower rated players using gimmick trap/trick openings.
Yeah that's the main thing. It completely throws them out of their element cause they've never had to play like this hence the GM who's mastered this tactic is obviously gonna win
The problem with an in person match is that Danya can then study for that opening which means Brandon loses a lot of his opening prep advantage. Also it would suggest Danya is accusing him which he is not
whether its cheating or not thats kinda the whole point of meme openings. top chess is HEAVILY based around opening prep. this removes a ton of opening prep for some peoples openings. Now of course these top players are good at other things but that means if you are worse at opening prep than someone but are equal in just standard play this can reduce someones advantage over you even though its a weakness.
exactly what i was looking for, danya would defo win cuz the circumstances are so different and in case brandon had cheated or not everybody would say he cheated bcuz he couldn't win the match
Would it really suggest that Danya is accusing him though? I would argue that asking someone to prove something (i.e play chess in real life) ranges from normal suspicion to accusation. Theres nothing wrong with asking someone to show prove that they didn’t cheat.
i just simply cant believe that someone would cheat on an anonymous account and then reveal their true identity at the expense of their reputation for NO REASON AT ALL if they werent completely innocent. i just refuse to believe someone would do that.
You would be surprised then how many people who are getting away with a crime do something stupid to incriminate themselves. Not saying Brandon is cheating, but people who are guilty do things like return to crime scenes, talk about the crime, keep evidence of the crime, etc. Wether it’s a guilty conscience or and ego thing, people do weird things and do not behave logically all the time. Brandon making this post is not evidence in itself that he didn’t cheat. The explanations in his post are better arguments in my opinion.
This is literally what I thought. Danya will literally study the whole position and might be able to play stockfish best moves until like move 30… I think the reason this works is just the mental affect on Danya in this case, he’s thinking W T F the whole time.
From a totally layman perspective on chess, I think it's hard to beat this setup in low time because rooks are late-game pieces, while bishops are instrumental in attacking in the early game. One side gives up a late game advantage for an early and middle game advantage. Not only is the one without a rook technically up a piece for most of the opening, they have time advantage and development advantage. I think that's why it's so hard to initiate and defend early attacks, you lack a bishop and your opponent is basically up a piece and three moves ahead.
Every GM knows this, including Naroditsky. He knows about exchange sacs, he knows about bishop pair power. And yet, he still seemed pretty stunned by it all.
@@lollycopter I think he was just stunned by how long the advantage lasts. It's one thing to spot a powerful sacrifice that gives you an edge/ win in a few moves, it's another to see a sacrifice "work" for 20-30+ moves. You practically have to play flawless stockfish moves for 20 moves straight before you can start proving your +2 advantage.
My husband (non chessplayer) thinks we are all weired that way. For nonchessplayers its zotaly absurd to sit 5-6 hours just to play a stupid game. Took him once to a clubmatch 20 min. in he left bored. And still I havent divorced him.
24:55 nice idea but I don't think you can really recreate the circumstance since Naroditsky could prepare and also the element of tilt would not really be recreatable
Yeah it's a stupid idea. 😂 Like ofc Danya will beat him because he will have more than enough time to prepare aginst a objectively terrible opening. He's a f*cking GM 🤷♂️
Yeah, probably shouldn't be Naroditsky at this point. But all you need to prove is that Jacobson is proficient at that opening, so bringing in any GM who hasn't prepared the opening yet is good enough.
the rematch doesn't make sense coz danya would have immediately looked at the lines after the match. The advantage of the opening is the shock factor because nobody else would be sane enough to analyze that. It's literally a one off opening to play tat would work only once with a top super gm after which they'd analyze the lines and it'd be normal service.
@andrewbradley3305 bro are you dumb? Commenting this bullshit as if you were incapable of understandinwg what people are saying? You have to be a moron to not comprehend that looking deeply at a line is different from being up the exchange and converting that afvantage
@andrewbradley3305 Yes, he had a winning position, but it seems like the point of the opening is that it is very hard for the other player to hold onto that winning position. Given time to prepare, I am sure that Danya could figure out how to convert the advantage into a much easier winning position which he could win pretty much every game. Without prep, from the games we have seen, it seems difficult to get to an obviously winning position.
@@andrewbradley3305 Unless Danya was also cheating he wouldn't know at the time how exactly he was winning all those positions. If he took some time and analyzed all those games he'll know when/where he went wrong and fix those mistake. That would certainly give him the win in that scenario considering this match ended ~40-29
It works really really well. Not getting caught in opening traps people memorized from Grandmasters making it a lot easier for people like me who are much better at middle games & endgames
40 to 29 does not seem like a totally out of line result between two evenly matched players, where one is playing a familiar system, and the other is not. Just saying!
How are they "evenly matched"? Daniel is one of the strongest blitz players in the world, and the other guy is unknown. The only reason you've heard of him is because of this.
@@chesswithivan8346I mean IMs can pull off a few wins with silly gambits vs GMs and that is a FAR greater mismatch. Also losing a couple games to a nonsense opening can be really tilting and cause a string of losses
@@blacktigershearthstoneadve6905 right, but a fairly high rated GM should be able to pull off more than a few if a significantly weaker IM can do it a few times
I mean if someone has full mastery over a weird line in a blitz game they surely will have an advantage over their opponent because they will be in time control through out the game, and the fact he mentioned that chess is the only game where grown man bithc about teenagers and ruin their career is legit tbh.
probably because you're all the ones are actually doing the cheating, you grew up on the fish in an era full of streaming and clout chasing. Your generation full of selfish pricks is ruining the game not the veterans pointing out the obvious.
@@andrewbradley3305 exactly... these spoiled kids grew up on the fish, why the hell should anyone believe they aren't using it to chase clout. If he's so good then why is he an actual nobody. somehow i doubt a kid in these days would waste his life learning this game that deeply and then waste it all away remaining anonymous. edit: the reality is he didnt get the credit he wanted for beating daniel so he revealed his identity as one final chance to get the fame and attention he craved.. ban him for life, good riddance. Play on your actual account next time loser.
@@pedroh.pereira8292 thats exactly my point... real hard to get GM from your parents basement staring at stockfish all day.... and then he does what with it? Cheats anyway.... for clout... you are dense arent you?
i genuinely despise the cheating paranoia/fervor, clearly many top GMs are insecure about the next generation challenging them (especially online) and these constant accusations are really damaging not only to young players’ careers but to their confidence/mental state
(in person cheating) Is simple to prevent: a metal detector and a faraday cage. If you can run stockfish in an isolated, in-vivo device that is small enough to not pick up with a metal detector, you win.
What a nothing opinion. What GMs are you talking about? (Other than kramnik who is widly disbelieved as credible)Daniel said he didn't have a strong option on it. It was also said that individuals don't call out people the algorithm does. So please either have a point that matters or stfu😂😂
Imagine a world where one particular series of circumstances leads to thousands if not millions of people taking up the game of basketball on a serious level. Is it realistic that even 100 of those new basketball players would then rise to the level of NBA players in less than 2 years or even less than 1 year? That is essentially what is happening in the world of chess online where anonymous players are able to defeat seasoned high level players in less than 2 years of serious focus on playing chess. It's just not reasonable according to any other realm of human achievement.
I don't think the in person match makes any sense. Becaues Danya knows it's coming now. That's why it worked originally because it was a total surprise. Even though they played so many games he didn't take a few days to study the position.
I think it could make a lot of sense in low time games someone having complete knowledge over a weird line. It makes your opponent think a lot more and lose time, and then you have more time to think in end game. I don't know if that translates to high elo games, but it could defiantly work in lower elo games
This isn't some weird line in opening, he literally handicapped himself -2 every game, not even Magnus can do that against Danya in blitz time format, this guy is certainly not genuine
@@shehabgamal8640I mean there are games where strong GMs(Magnus and Hikaru) have played god awful openings and winning games against other GMs.It's like it's impossible
@@shehabgamal8640 -2 on a line he's studied that Danya certainly has not. Very, very different than just blundering an exchange. Not saying he's innocent, but just saying "-2" without context is extremely biased.
Yeah but the problem with your last proposition is that nara can now study the opening. The whole system depends on your opponent making mistakes, if they just blitz out the best moves according to stockfish, they will win every game. I don't even think he can beat him online now that he's familiar with the game plan
not understanding this thought process, which seems to be a theme in the comments at this point, Danya played against this opening 70 times, and figured it out some 20 times so I don't think what you are suggesting works either. Brandon is also a GM and was just playing the meme opening for fun
@@richtull2110 there is a big difference between analyzing a game by yourself and using an engine. I believe they played consecutive games and even though the first moves were the same, he was outplayed.
@@souhebsoisro411 All I was saying is familiarity bec ame eveident eventually, I di think what Gotham suggests is good though over the board blitz see what happens🙂
@@richtull2110 Danya with time to prepare for this specific opening and analyze all the game they played, would do better than the ~29-40 loss so that exercise would prove nothing. That is the bottom line.
@@chesswithivan8346Tyler 1 is an expert League of a legends player. A game that requires intense macro knowledge and positioning. He switched to chess for a bit and friended Anna Cremlings Cow, he played 3000+ games in a couple months and reached 1800. The dudes just a grind machine and he records and reviews his own games and studied each line he made from each game. He is very smart but also an entertaining doofus. He hides his talent of learning behind his comical streaming. He isn’t cheating lmao
@25:00 The problem with that is that it's a gimmick opening which won't work against prepared opponents. Danya will, presumably, have spent some time with the engine figuring out how to properly punish this dead-lost opening properly.
I don't think Brandon is cheating. Also, Gotham, You're suggesting Brandon plays this opening against Danya in an in person match but that won't work because these openings work only when the opponent isn't prepared for them. If Danya knows Brandon will play this opening every time he'll be prepared for it with engine analysis and the surprise value will go away which is what makes these openings effective. It's -3 against an engine but against a human very hard to prove it's minus 3 with the shock value.
One of the things I've heard about cheaters is that there will be pauses in their play because of the time needed to put the move into the computer and waiting for its response, or something to that effect. since he was playing extremely fast, it does seem like he was just more familiar with the position and his opponent would always be down on time, causing the eventual blunders.
@@williamhicks558 You don't need time to put moves into stockfish. With right software (which is not that complex to make) it is instant and automatic. In most cases Stockfish needs about half-second to find the best move. It can change it later in some cases, but the initial option is always solid no matter what. And in vital key positions it is natural to take few seconds of thinking. And you don't need to cheat every move either. Long story short, it IS possible to cheat in blitz games.
The chess community doesn't even realize how cheating accusations is just as much of a problem as cheating itself. It doesnt matter how many accusations you get right, just ONE false accusation could ruin someone's career. Now imagine how many players are being wrongly accused everyday.
I doubt this opening would work after someone studies the main lines, so if a tournament happens daniel would ofc have studied it and will most likely crush brandon as it gives you a really high advantage from the start
the whole purpose of the opening is to be novel and different to make the opponent make more mistakes. there is a reason such risky openings are used in blitz and/or bullet.
I think Naroditsky would be honest and not study in advance. Its a very valid point, and I dont see why he wouldn't give him a fair chance if everyone involved is serious.
I believe Brandon. Here’s why: hard to believe two guys would use an unusual opening and beat hikaru and Danya while cheating. It’s too risky, it’s too obvious, red flags are sure to occur, and I think these guys experimented enough with this opening to baffle some “traditional” players moves. Free Brandon.
The entire opening is sneak attack. You never see anyone playing it. Of course people who are playing blitz never seen it before so they will make mistakes
The thing that fascinates me about this story is less the cheating angle, and more shining a spotlight on the emotional dimension of chess. The guy playing the stupid opening on an alt account FOR FUN, just to see what happens, with nothing to gain and nothing to prove, versus a famous GM who feels like he's fighting an alien invasion. That is an advantage which can demolish any titled player on Earth, exchange odds or not. No rematch or grudge match would be able to reproduce that dynamic, even if Daniel deliberately abstained from studying the opening.
That doesn't really work though if he is honest. He said so himself he performed well because there was no pressure. Putting him up against naroditskey again like this would put the pressure on. That said, I have known and seen plenty of liars going all the way and say things like "If I did lie/cheat, would I do this or that?" argument, so at least that argument holds no weight for me.
@@andrewbradley3305 He must have hacked into the opponents brain and made them hang mate in 1. Stockfish can't win like that. (17:40 the game i'm referring too)
Levy's suggestion at the end doesn't work at all because Danya would have time to prepare for that opening. Danya should easily be able to win without the element of surprise and time to prepare because it is a bad opening.
I have trouble believing that he can win with this opening, but wouldn't have a chance playing something normal. He didn't trick Danya over 40 times, he was outplaying him, he ought to be able to replicate that at least a little otb.
@@h0wnr681 yes and now Danya would know every spot he went wrong and lost advantage. If they played another 70 games after Danya studied it would be like 60-10 Danya at best.
@@dougs8196 I'm saying he should play normal, forget the troll opening. If he's at this level, he should be able to demonstrate that skill regardless of the opening.
@@h0wnr681 okay but Danya has proven to be higher skill level overall. It would be the same as any similarly ranked player going up against the him. Danya or any top player isn’t unbeatable so I would expect him to fair similar to other players at his ranking. Which I couldn’t tell you that approximation
@@h0wnr681 That completely neglects the fact that it was the unusual opening that likely threw Danya off, as well as Brandon's experience in playing that position.
"I fear not that one that has played 10 000 openings once but they who have played one opening 10 000 times" Also a friendly reminder that Nodirbek won the World Rapid by playing the an odd opening line with white and catching top players in the world in the exact same trap multiple times (incl. Fabiano and Magnus if I recall correctly). Dubious openings can work in fast time controls if you they either a) force the opponent to walk a difficult tight rope or b) cause the opponent to consume too much time in attempting to refute it.
@@Monika77ful I'm only 2200 rapid but I win from -2 openings all the time. There are two problems for the opponent; first, if they over-press they'll accidentally have equalized by the time their premature attack is pressed back, and if they try to play solid, they're intentionally letting their advantage wither avoiding complications. Especially if the person who played the weak opening offers middlegame complications, especially if declining the complication requires a minor positional consolation. And then it is equalized, but they still feel under pressure to win, so they still end up over-pressing even after playing solid. Of course, at my level sometimes I try to play -2 and it turns out to be -5 and I'm just busted. But other times my op thinks it is a trap and turns it into +2 right away avoiding it. But for GMs playing blitz, it should be even more effective than at my level, because the psychological challenges are the same, but they can more accurately choose the optimal risk level.
This is exactly what I said on the first video on this. Seems clear to me that he isnt cheating. Its just that no one is prepared for those lines. Ive experimented with similar openings to great success and I suck. Cheating is tricky. Its obviously happening, but we cant just be banning people based on them not playing like everyone else otherwise the game ceases to evolve.
the games already dead... vibrating beads are going to be considered a primitive method very soon... theres literally no point in caring about this game any longer unless you ignore the competitive aspect, which is a ridiculous notion.
Made simmilar experiences on my lvl ca. 1450 sometimes I blunder a piece and keep on playing and my opponent just cant convert in time. Sometimes my Oponet blunders big and I just cant convert in time. Blitz is tricky even at the toplvl.
Weird... but kinda smart. Create a "bad" opening where your opponent gets overly confident and thinks they are winning, not realizing that this is a very experienced line and they are prepared for. Then time starts running out and the pressure is on and that leads to blunders.
In every e-sport (Mario speed runs, popular fps games, etc.) it is very difficult to tell if someone is that good or they are cheating. Best players are never banned by some algorithms. They are flagged for people to take a look. It might be a little easier with chess but it is far from perfect.
If they do play a OTB match, the Reddit post already plays into a possible narrative why the result might be very different: This time, there was all this personal pressure.
If you go into an OTB match with that opening, against someone at that level who knows you're going to play it and has time to prepare, then I don't think you have a chance at winning regardless of skill level. It's an objectively bad opening.
I believe tiles use A B testing. Half of the audience gets one title, the other half gets another. Then TH-cam looks at the most popular one and sets that as the title.
i dont think a rematch with the same openings being played by brandon would be fair at all. i think mainly brandon could win because of the fact that he was master of that opening while danya had hardly ever played those lines
when i watched your previous video about the anonymous gm i saw the set up with the queen behind the bishop in the corner and i really liked it and i actually started playing it though i didnt give up my rook
3:40 start of GM background Start of explanation: 7:30 stupid opening analysis and practicing 9:48 Account creation for stupid opening 10:01 danya games 12:28 Banning 13:30 Andrew Hong Vs Naka 14:25 Some defensive words 15:30 end of post. Start of Gotham's analysis. 18:26 Gothams coments
I love your videos but the "in person match" idea is so stupid because Danya has all the time in the world to prepare against that opening...🤦♂The only reason it was effective is the fact it's unexpected and unexplored territory.
no, it worked cus the guy cheated. naroditsky is among the absolute world elite, you really think he would lose 40 times against a bad position? this would net maximum a few wins
@@chesswithivan8346 I don't think he cheated. Beating Danya 40-29 is totally doable If someone has full mastery over a weird line in a blitz game.. Cuz he'll have an advantage over their opponent (because he will be ahead on the clock through out the game) thus leading to mistakes being made in the late-middlegame. Brandons' friend GM also won a game vs Hikaru using this opening...Even levy won 2 games in Titled Tuesday while Magnus going 8.5/11 all playing this opening.
U mean online? Most of these 'beast' GM cant do shit OTB,but play like beast online Remember Hans? The top 5 blitz rating But cant even enter top 30 in blitz wc otb,even lost to a fm+im Very 'different' with his games online
Why would anyone try to become a pro chess player at this point? Bad sallary, a lot of traveling and if you do some out of the box prep you get banned and if you don't look stressed enough over the board Magnus calls you a cheater on Twitter.
Why would a GM cheat against Naroditsky? A well known streamer with a lot of followers in the chess community... I personaly don't believe he is cheating
Also he and Hong both proved multiple times against multiple opponents that it can be a tricky opening during short time controls I've also not seen anyone show a game that seemed unnatural. The moves I have seen seem pretty normal to me Most games he literally played almost the exact same setup for the first 10 moves. Then he sat back, waited for his opponent to make an inaccuracy, and counter attacked
The whole point of the opening is to get your opponent out of preparation. If the opponent has studied the opening they will start the game with a real massive advantage.
Why are there so many comments about "clickbait". The title I see: "ANONYMOUS BANNED GM REVEALED" is pretty much a real title. He reveals the name of the cheater in the first couple minutes of the video and the video is fully about his opinion about the issue. If the title is real, it cannot be clickbait. Is it drama? "Yes". But it is real. It also wasn't "made up" by Levy. The "drama" is previous and it actually exists. Is the title in caps, has 4 words and all of them are catchy? Yes. That's not clickbait. That's just an eyecatchy title.
Welcome to the internet my friend, here you’ll find all kinds of people not knowing the meaning of half the things they say. Save your brainpower and don’t bother commenting because people will never learn. Have a good day!
I imagine a good chunk of those are just people joking, hoping to get a pin of shame. It's a pretty common reply to Gotham's videos and has been for many years so now a lot of people just say it as a joke, I meme if you must.
Alert! Alert! Somebody on the internet is RONG!!!! Not you, though. Ur rite. Not clickbait. But it's sortof the exception that proves the rule, clickbait is part of the Levy brand. It's memetastic, I guess. Here he couldn't succeed at clickbait because the reality is so salacious!
It definitely seems like he just used unconventional strategies that created situations that his opponents weren't used to dealing with. I think if they had solid evidence that he was cheating, they would have banned his main account as well.
The fair play team can't even figure out that a person who plays a bullet game with all moves made in 0.2 seconds is cheating. So, you never know with them.
I can relate to this, I started playing Alekhine’s defense retreat variation (e4, NF6, e5, NG8) and I‘ve gone from 1800 to 2000 now. In blitz almost anything goes, if you know what you’re doing and your opponent relaxes or gets complacent with a position they evaluate as being better than it is, they almost always will get themselves into trouble.
Wonder if he was "toggling." which is where he occasionally peaks at the best move in certain positions and then continues on. That's probably the hardest to detect. It's still possible it's just a false positive.
It's not completely forced, threw this opening into a few engines and crunched for a bit, after 1. a4 e5 2. Ra3 capturing is best at -2.5, but there are several options at -1.3: Nc6, Nf6, d5, and more at slightly below -1 pawn advantage (like pushing e4).
If theyre doing it in person, the same thing is gonna happen again where they accused hans. Absolutely no evidence whatsoever and accused him of cheating on an OFFLINE chess match, absolutely ridiculous
The problem is there is no way to prove someone is guilty. The closest thing we have to that is a ban, which he has received. This isn't a case of someone just making accusations.
So... someone found something new in chess. Something that works and nobody knows how to counter it. Something so good it gets You banned for cheating 😂 This is actually great stuff! I wonder what there will be of it.
It really makes me sick that when you win a game or two with a high accuracy, everyone gets suspicious and accuse you for cheating. This is the easiest way rather than say (my opponent outsmarted me). It's all the matter of egos.
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I was excited for Levy when he announced he was going back to OTB chess to win the GM title but now its just the same cheating, 100 ELO, clickbait as usual... 🤮🤮🤮
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This whole opening is "you play stupid, drag your opponent down to your level, and beat them with experience."
Mark Twain smirks sarcastically in his grave😌
That's what I was thinking that this guy was just more comfortable and more experienced with this opening and the positions it led to which caused the opponents to make mistakes.
@@Frakenstien20I really don't believe that anyone can do that, this isn't a bad opening, he literally handicapped himself -2 every game to someone who is only behind Hikaru and Magnus in that time format, he certainly used the engine at a specific point in the game.
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In a blitz game, where players can't take a long time to analyze, positional experience is more important than a small material advantage.
One thing is 100% sure: Yesterday I did not know who Brendan Jacobson is. Today I do.
and that's what matters most
who is he
You still don't know who Brendan Jacobson is. But you might now know a Brandon
(You can call him Brandon)
The first rule of chess club, “You don’t not talk about Brandon Jacobsen”
NO he shouldn't do the match. He has nothing to prove. Hikaru can have fun speedrunning botez gambit but other grandmasters can't just sack an exchange? There is literally no proof he cheated. He won his games thanks to tactics and mistakes from Danya.
We dont know why he was banned. Maybe trashtalked in the comment section. Maybe he was using some sort of colloringprogram to see the boared better and the algorithm tought it was an engine.... we just dont know.
but we do know, it was a fair play ban
@@lolanicolau251 does fair play always mean cheating?
@@Monika77ful nah, this is just misinformation; he’s explicitly banned for fair play violations
@@Monika77fulYes, fair play is a ban for cheating
I almost feel like playing an opening in which you start off with a losing position and then coming back and winning repeatedly would trigger the anti-cheat by itself. It would just see "This person is somehow coming back from completely lost positions over and over again which is a statistical anomaly."
great thought everyone was missing this point
That's 100% it. Their algorithm only has the data it has to work with, which would be a massive number of chess games. Using an obscure, 'bad' opening at that level which nobody ever uses but winning anyway would definitely look insane to their program and get flagged for cheating.
Granted I’m only a 1100 elo I have played this opening 5 times so far and haven’t lost lol. Playing some of my best chess afterwards.
Imagine Magnus getting banned for his troll games by the algorithm.
@@cainepain3334 If you are serious it means your 1100 elo players get anxiety when handed an early and they blow it, happens to me all the time at 1000 elo. Danya when handed that winning position has forgotten all about the opening and would be able to beat or even crush a weaker grandmaster such as Brandon if no engine used. You need to show the different middle games and ask if so many varied positions could have been prepped effectively with an engine by Brandon so as to be ready to snatch victory from apparent defeat. Prep can get one player off to a good start when both sides of course start the game equal; I really question whether prep can turn a a number of opponents' solidly winning position into a loss
It's comical to me that playing low accuracy games with little time between moves to allow for optimal engine calculation could possibly result in a cheating ban.
You don't need to cheat every move. For a strong player all you need is 2 or 3 glances at key points. Besides the first option that Stockfish offers is always solid even if it will replace it with something better at later point.
You can program bots to move for you. Bullet accounts get banned all the time, even hyper bullet, because the person playing actually isnt "playing" at all, its just a virtual mouse pointer moving around from a program lol
Its more of the fact that he kept turning losing games/positions into winning which anyone can see why that may seem like cheating
@@andrewbloom7694 that wouldnt work in this case though, as almost all these moves arent exactly moves the engine would make lol (hence the accuracy is so low)
Totally agree
I don't think an in-person matchup where Brandon has to play his opening makes much sense. The main reason the opening is so successful is because it gets the opponent into unfamiliar positions. If Naroditsky could spend time studying the lines, I'm sure he would win since the opening is objectively losing. If Naroditsky wins after prep it would not necessarily prove that Brandon was cheating.
Unless they plan the matches for like tomorrow 😉
Is rook more valuable than bishop , given bishop will be unopposed and have that line
@@SaveTheTrees333 😄 maybe one night is enough to get familiar enough with the potential lines to utilize the advantage
@@SaveTheTrees333 I am fully convinced that a GM could prep a singular losing line in a night. I could prep a singular losing line in a night and I'm 1550(I'm not saying I would beat Danya, that's not the point. It is not that time consuming to cram for one line that you know you are going to play.)
@@yty1941 part of the agreement could be no prep allowed, yeah?
But a match between Brandon Jacobson and Danya where Brandon plays the same opening won’t be reflective of what happened. Danya’s gonna have time to go over the lines and analyze it deeply, but when they played those blitz matches, Danya wasn’t prepared for it which is why it was so effective.
They played 70 games. And the 15-20 ish first moves were basically the same every game
Exactly
@@sigurdh.s8320yh, they were consecutive matches, he had no time to analyse and check most critical way to play against it.
@@sigurdh.s8320 which means Danya could not have analyzed the line to prepare
@@sigurdh.s8320he is talking about levys sugestion for a live match
Chess people will harp on about the game not being solved yet and then ban people that do weird openings.
Non chess people will find any reason to bash chess people
@@stormtendothis ban is ridiculous whatever weird victim card you play
@@ahnaflfc369 bro made an attempt at arguing and instead said nothing relevant
@@stormtendo bro's still arguing 3 months later
@@theblackunicorn261 bros still arguing 15 hours later
That opening works for 1 simple reason: it takes your opponent out of their prep and any theory by the 2nd move; they have to play entirely on their own whereas the banned GM has spent dozens, possible hundreds of games learning it's tricks and traps. Given time to prepare and foreknowledge of facing that specific opening Danya, or any GM, could win the majority of matches but having it dropped in your lap out of nowhere... different story entirely. It's not really different from any other trick/trap opening aside from never being widely seen before now; once it's been study it will most likely be relegated to lower rated players using gimmick trap/trick openings.
Yeah that's the main thing. It completely throws them out of their element cause they've never had to play like this hence the GM who's mastered this tactic is obviously gonna win
People are being judged and effectively sentenced by an algorithm. Just let that sink in for a moment.
You
I get what you are saying but nothing tells us humans werent involved in the decision
Now that you've said this, im more scared of ai
The problem with an in person match is that Danya can then study for that opening which means Brandon loses a lot of his opening prep advantage. Also it would suggest Danya is accusing him which he is not
whether its cheating or not thats kinda the whole point of meme openings. top chess is HEAVILY based around opening prep. this removes a ton of opening prep for some peoples openings. Now of course these top players are good at other things but that means if you are worse at opening prep than someone but are equal in just standard play this can reduce someones advantage over you even though its a weakness.
exactly what i was looking for, danya would defo win cuz the circumstances are so different and in case brandon had cheated or not everybody would say he cheated bcuz he couldn't win the match
Also it should be in person but on a computer because mouse skills and prep move play a curial role in how the game is played
Would it really suggest that Danya is accusing him though? I would argue that asking someone to prove something (i.e play chess in real life) ranges from normal suspicion to accusation. Theres nothing wrong with asking someone to show prove that they didn’t cheat.
@@dudeiii2069 I mean Levy called it another “clash of claims” which means they have two different claims. Anyway that’s not the main point
i just simply cant believe that someone would cheat on an anonymous account and then reveal their true identity at the expense of their reputation for NO REASON AT ALL if they werent completely innocent. i just refuse to believe someone would do that.
💯 if he's guilty, he'd stay hidden.
Reverse psychology. Maybe he knows people would think this and is banking on it. But it's highly unlikely and he sounds geniune.
@@XoIoRougeobviously his identity was known (atleast not publicly) if his main account had been shadowbanned before the reddit post
@@hdhskksjsus but his main account wasn't banned?
You would be surprised then how many people who are getting away with a crime do something stupid to incriminate themselves. Not saying Brandon is cheating, but people who are guilty do things like return to crime scenes, talk about the crime, keep evidence of the crime, etc. Wether it’s a guilty conscience or and ego thing, people do weird things and do not behave logically all the time.
Brandon making this post is not evidence in itself that he didn’t cheat. The explanations in his post are better arguments in my opinion.
The proposition is unfair to Brandon since Danya can prepare for all the tricks
Right. Like if Danya takes any time to do real prep for this like with a strong engine he basically can’t lose
+1
wow, unfortunately you are right
shame, would be fun to watch if this wasnt the case
This is literally what I thought. Danya will literally study the whole position and might be able to play stockfish best moves until like move 30… I think the reason this works is just the mental affect on Danya in this case, he’s thinking W T F the whole time.
Y’all forget Brandon is a known cheater in the past? He 100% cheated against danya 😊
From a totally layman perspective on chess, I think it's hard to beat this setup in low time because rooks are late-game pieces, while bishops are instrumental in attacking in the early game. One side gives up a late game advantage for an early and middle game advantage. Not only is the one without a rook technically up a piece for most of the opening, they have time advantage and development advantage. I think that's why it's so hard to initiate and defend early attacks, you lack a bishop and your opponent is basically up a piece and three moves ahead.
you make a pretty good point
That’s a really good take on the opening, I hadn’t thought of it that way.
Every GM knows this, including Naroditsky. He knows about exchange sacs, he knows about bishop pair power. And yet, he still seemed pretty stunned by it all.
@@lollycopter I think he was just stunned by how long the advantage lasts. It's one thing to spot a powerful sacrifice that gives you an edge/ win in a few moves, it's another to see a sacrifice "work" for 20-30+ moves. You practically have to play flawless stockfish moves for 20 moves straight before you can start proving your +2 advantage.
@@almicc and Brandon was the one who had to play more perfectly yep. Very impressive middlegame defensive tactical resources.
Getting called a nerd by a fellow professional chess player speaks
My husband (non chessplayer) thinks we are all weired that way. For nonchessplayers its zotaly absurd to sit 5-6 hours just to play a stupid game. Took him once to a clubmatch 20 min. in he left bored. And still I havent divorced him.
I had to come back to hear that nerd. It caught me off guard and had me dying of laughter
@@Monika77fulwhy would you divorce someone because of chess tho?
@@RichD1 it was a joke.
@@Monika77ful oh my bad
Vih_soh is secretly vsauce
Hey Vih_soh, Brandon here!
Or is it?
1a4 2ra3 is a bad opening
Or is it?
Não consigo ver qual referência que o nome dele está relacionada no português igual o Levy falou
Lollll
24:55 nice idea but I don't think you can really recreate the circumstance since Naroditsky could prepare and also the element of tilt would not really be recreatable
Exactly, the surprise is gone
And also pressure to prove yourself against an extremely skilled and experienced opponent in person
Yeah it's a stupid idea. 😂 Like ofc Danya will beat him because he will have more than enough time to prepare aginst a objectively terrible opening. He's a f*cking GM 🤷♂️
Yeah, probably shouldn't be Naroditsky at this point. But all you need to prove is that Jacobson is proficient at that opening, so bringing in any GM who hasn't prepared the opening yet is good enough.
Didn’t matter lol Danya was in a winning position every game
the rematch doesn't make sense coz danya would have immediately looked at the lines after the match. The advantage of the opening is the shock factor because nobody else would be sane enough to analyze that. It's literally a one off opening to play tat would work only once with a top super gm after which they'd analyze the lines and it'd be normal service.
That’s irrelevant Danya had a winning position every game lol
@andrewbradley3305 bro are you dumb? Commenting this bullshit as if you were incapable of understandinwg what people are saying? You have to be a moron to not comprehend that looking deeply at a line is different from being up the exchange and converting that afvantage
@andrewbradley3305 Yes, he had a winning position, but it seems like the point of the opening is that it is very hard for the other player to hold onto that winning position. Given time to prepare, I am sure that Danya could figure out how to convert the advantage into a much easier winning position which he could win pretty much every game. Without prep, from the games we have seen, it seems difficult to get to an obviously winning position.
@@andrewbradley3305 Unless Danya was also cheating he wouldn't know at the time how exactly he was winning all those positions. If he took some time and analyzed all those games he'll know when/where he went wrong and fix those mistake. That would certainly give him the win in that scenario considering this match ended ~40-29
@@andrewbradley3305 Yes but the position had a lot of tricks. And they kept falling for them .
Waiting for random low elo players to start playing this and lose every game
where do i sign up?
It works really really well. Not getting caught in opening traps people memorized from Grandmasters making it a lot easier for people like me who are much better at middle games & endgames
Even at the 70th percentile most games have swings that add up to +-12 or more, -2 in the opening is *nothing* at low elo.
Hey we've been blundering our rooks since before it was cool
@@bluemountain4181literally me fr
40 to 29 does not seem like a totally out of line result between two evenly matched players, where one is playing a familiar system, and the other is not. Just saying!
How are they "evenly matched"? Daniel is one of the strongest blitz players in the world, and the other guy is unknown. The only reason you've heard of him is because of this.
They aren't evenly matched. 40 wins from a bad position is absolutely out of the line, maybe 3-4 wins at the beginning and some lucky ones
@@chesswithivan8346I mean IMs can pull off a few wins with silly gambits vs GMs and that is a FAR greater mismatch.
Also losing a couple games to a nonsense opening can be really tilting and cause a string of losses
@@brubie7584 "Few" is certainly not 40 out of 70.
@@blacktigershearthstoneadve6905 right, but a fairly high rated GM should be able to pull off more than a few if a significantly weaker IM can do it a few times
Magnus Carlsen plays meme openings all the time and nobody panics. One teenager learns to play one meme opening well, and everyone loses their minds!
Yeah cus magnesium calcium is 2830 fide and the teenager is 2550 fide rated
It's blitz,
@atr4454SooCietyyy
you do know that brandon has a history of cheating right? He got banned in the past.
It's not about the memes, it's about sending a message
I mean if someone has full mastery over a weird line in a blitz game they surely will have an advantage over their opponent because they will be in time control through out the game, and the fact he mentioned that chess is the only game where grown man bithc about teenagers and ruin their career is legit tbh.
probably because you're all the ones are actually doing the cheating, you grew up on the fish in an era full of streaming and clout chasing. Your generation full of selfish pricks is ruining the game not the veterans pointing out the obvious.
He doesn’t he was losing in every game then turned on the engine
@@andrewbradley3305 exactly... these spoiled kids grew up on the fish, why the hell should anyone believe they aren't using it to chase clout. If he's so good then why is he an actual nobody. somehow i doubt a kid in these days would waste his life learning this game that deeply and then waste it all away remaining anonymous.
edit: the reality is he didnt get the credit he wanted for beating daniel so he revealed his identity as one final chance to get the fame and attention he craved.. ban him for life, good riddance. Play on your actual account next time loser.
@@witheringhs7766the kid is a GM, he accomplished in this game than you ever will. What a boomer comment
@@pedroh.pereira8292 thats exactly my point... real hard to get GM from your parents basement staring at stockfish all day.... and then he does what with it? Cheats anyway.... for clout... you are dense arent you?
i genuinely despise the cheating paranoia/fervor, clearly many top GMs are insecure about the next generation challenging them (especially online) and these constant accusations are really damaging not only to young players’ careers but to their confidence/mental state
(in person cheating) Is simple to prevent: a metal detector and a faraday cage. If you can run stockfish in an isolated, in-vivo device that is small enough to not pick up with a metal detector, you win.
What a nothing opinion. What GMs are you talking about? (Other than kramnik who is widly disbelieved as credible)Daniel said he didn't have a strong option on it. It was also said that individuals don't call out people the algorithm does. So please either have a point that matters or stfu😂😂
@@HyenaEmpyemachallenge asscepted
@@HyenaEmpyema and a bunghole inspection
Imagine a world where one particular series of circumstances leads to thousands if not millions of people taking up the game of basketball on a serious level. Is it realistic that even 100 of those new basketball players would then rise to the level of NBA players in less than 2 years or even less than 1 year?
That is essentially what is happening in the world of chess online where anonymous players are able to defeat seasoned high level players in less than 2 years of serious focus on playing chess. It's just not reasonable according to any other realm of human achievement.
So someone brought psychological warfare to chess and all the GMs cacked their pants
Brandon: I’d like to share a little about myself.
*Proceeds to write an autobiography*
I don't think the in person match makes any sense. Becaues Danya knows it's coming now. That's why it worked originally because it was a total surprise. Even though they played so many games he didn't take a few days to study the position.
they played back to back for hours
Danya knew what was coming they played for hours and he consistently beat Danya from a losing position multiple time
@@andrewbradley3305again you moron, danya dudnt look at what the computer said
@@jjohns4170 playing for hours does not equal studying the position with an engine and prepping for the best moves for multiple variations
I think it could make a lot of sense in low time games someone having complete knowledge over a weird line. It makes your opponent think a lot more and lose time, and then you have more time to think in end game. I don't know if that translates to high elo games, but it could defiantly work in lower elo games
Correct
This isn't some weird line in opening, he literally handicapped himself -2 every game, not even Magnus can do that against Danya in blitz time format, this guy is certainly not genuine
@@shehabgamal8640I mean there are games where strong GMs(Magnus and Hikaru) have played god awful openings and winning games against other GMs.It's like it's impossible
you do know that brandon has a history of cheating right? He got banned in the past.
@@shehabgamal8640 -2 on a line he's studied that Danya certainly has not. Very, very different than just blundering an exchange. Not saying he's innocent, but just saying "-2" without context is extremely biased.
Yeah but the problem with your last proposition is that nara can now study the opening. The whole system depends on your opponent making mistakes, if they just blitz out the best moves according to stockfish, they will win every game. I don't even think he can beat him online now that he's familiar with the game plan
not understanding this thought process, which seems to be a theme in the comments at this point, Danya played against this opening 70 times, and figured it out some 20 times so I don't think what you are suggesting works either. Brandon is also a GM and was just playing the meme opening for fun
@@richtull2110 there is a big difference between analyzing a game by yourself and using an engine. I believe they played consecutive games and even though the first moves were the same, he was outplayed.
@@souhebsoisro411 All I was saying is familiarity bec ame eveident eventually, I di think what Gotham suggests is good though over the board blitz see what happens🙂
@@richtull2110 Danya with time to prepare for this specific opening and analyze all the game they played, would do better than the ~29-40 loss so that exercise would prove nothing. That is the bottom line.
Fear of accusations like this is why I never became a GM. And because I’m stupid.
I feel that bro, I'd have become a GM too except I am terrible at the game of chess
”Did he expect us to call him by his full name?” And continues to call him Brandon Jacobsen, by his full name.
This guy is like the GM version of tyler1 , plays the exact same silly opening over and over and somehow gets away with it and wins
dunno who tyler1 is yet, i see him allover the place. But the reason is cheating
@@chesswithivan8346
@@chesswithivan8346Tyler 1 is an expert League of a legends player. A game that requires intense macro knowledge and positioning. He switched to chess for a bit and friended Anna Cremlings Cow, he played 3000+ games in a couple months and reached 1800. The dudes just a grind machine and he records and reviews his own games and studied each line he made from each game.
He is very smart but also an entertaining doofus. He hides his talent of learning behind his comical streaming.
He isn’t cheating lmao
@25:00 The problem with that is that it's a gimmick opening which won't work against prepared opponents. Danya will, presumably, have spent some time with the engine figuring out how to properly punish this dead-lost opening properly.
It won’t work well against anyone if you don’t start cheating. Danya had a winning position every game
@@andrewbradley3305you are dumb
@@andrewbradley3305 Yes, and then he gave this winning position away. It's not that Brandon made genious moves, it's that Danya made stupid moves.
I don't think Brandon is cheating.
Also, Gotham, You're suggesting Brandon plays this opening against Danya in an in person match but that won't work because these openings work only when the opponent isn't prepared for them. If Danya knows Brandon will play this opening every time he'll be prepared for it with engine analysis and the surprise value will go away which is what makes these openings effective. It's -3 against an engine but against a human very hard to prove it's minus 3 with the shock value.
Pretty sure by the 70th time danya knew he was going to play the same opening
@filipe5585 bro can you read? The point is prapring a counter with the hel of stockfish. How can you not be able to understand such a simple concept?
Prapring
One of the things I've heard about cheaters is that there will be pauses in their play because of the time needed to put the move into the computer and waiting for its response, or something to that effect. since he was playing extremely fast, it does seem like he was just more familiar with the position and his opponent would always be down on time, causing the eventual blunders.
@@williamhicks558 You don't need time to put moves into stockfish. With right software (which is not that complex to make) it is instant and automatic. In most cases Stockfish needs about half-second to find the best move. It can change it later in some cases, but the initial option is always solid no matter what. And in vital key positions it is natural to take few seconds of thinking. And you don't need to cheat every move either. Long story short, it IS possible to cheat in blitz games.
24:47 the problem with this is Daniel will study the opening if this happens, where at the online case he was totally unaare of this opening
The chess community doesn't even realize how cheating accusations is just as much of a problem as cheating itself.
It doesnt matter how many accusations you get right, just ONE false accusation could ruin someone's career. Now imagine how many players are being wrongly accused everyday.
I doubt this opening would work after someone studies the main lines, so if a tournament happens daniel would ofc have studied it and will most likely crush brandon as it gives you a really high advantage from the start
the whole purpose of the opening is to be novel and different to make the opponent make more mistakes. there is a reason such risky openings are used in blitz and/or bullet.
I think Naroditsky would be honest and not study in advance. Its a very valid point, and I dont see why he wouldn't give him a fair chance if everyone involved is serious.
I believe Brandon. Here’s why: hard to believe two guys would use an unusual opening and beat hikaru and Danya while cheating. It’s too risky, it’s too obvious, red flags are sure to occur, and I think these guys experimented enough with this opening to baffle some “traditional” players moves.
Free Brandon.
The entire opening is sneak attack. You never see anyone playing it. Of course people who are playing blitz never seen it before so they will make mistakes
Meanwhile Tyler1 approaching GM level with the cow opening:
1900 level is miles from GM level, expecially that soon he will start playing player that are much better at theory and will demolish cow
The thing that fascinates me about this story is less the cheating angle, and more shining a spotlight on the emotional dimension of chess. The guy playing the stupid opening on an alt account FOR FUN, just to see what happens, with nothing to gain and nothing to prove, versus a famous GM who feels like he's fighting an alien invasion. That is an advantage which can demolish any titled player on Earth, exchange odds or not. No rematch or grudge match would be able to reproduce that dynamic, even if Daniel deliberately abstained from studying the opening.
That doesn't really work though if he is honest. He said so himself he performed well because there was no pressure. Putting him up against naroditskey again like this would put the pressure on.
That said, I have known and seen plenty of liars going all the way and say things like "If I did lie/cheat, would I do this or that?" argument, so at least that argument holds no weight for me.
He played well because he cheated lol
@@andrewbradley3305bro you are probably a 1400, i dont think you have a word in the matter
@@andrewbradley3305 who knows the other gm also beat Hikaru, so did he cheat aswell? No
well theres less pressure when you play a meme opening i can tell you that much
@@andrewbradley3305
He must have hacked into the opponents brain and made them hang mate in 1.
Stockfish can't win like that.
(17:40 the game i'm referring too)
Levy's suggestion at the end doesn't work at all because Danya would have time to prepare for that opening. Danya should easily be able to win without the element of surprise and time to prepare because it is a bad opening.
I have trouble believing that he can win with this opening, but wouldn't have a chance playing something normal. He didn't trick Danya over 40 times, he was outplaying him, he ought to be able to replicate that at least a little otb.
@@h0wnr681 yes and now Danya would know every spot he went wrong and lost advantage. If they played another 70 games after Danya studied it would be like 60-10 Danya at best.
@@dougs8196 I'm saying he should play normal, forget the troll opening. If he's at this level, he should be able to demonstrate that skill regardless of the opening.
@@h0wnr681 okay but Danya has proven to be higher skill level overall. It would be the same as any similarly ranked player going up against the him. Danya or any top player isn’t unbeatable so I would expect him to fair similar to other players at his ranking. Which I couldn’t tell you that approximation
@@h0wnr681 That completely neglects the fact that it was the unusual opening that likely threw Danya off, as well as Brandon's experience in playing that position.
"I fear not that one that has played 10 000 openings once but they who have played one opening 10 000 times"
Also a friendly reminder that Nodirbek won the World Rapid by playing the an odd opening line with white and catching top players in the world in the exact same trap multiple times (incl. Fabiano and Magnus if I recall correctly). Dubious openings can work in fast time controls if you they either a) force the opponent to walk a difficult tight rope or b) cause the opponent to consume too much time in attempting to refute it.
Wow that strategy worked in rapid? Amazing.
@@Monika77ful I'm only 2200 rapid but I win from -2 openings all the time. There are two problems for the opponent; first, if they over-press they'll accidentally have equalized by the time their premature attack is pressed back, and if they try to play solid, they're intentionally letting their advantage wither avoiding complications. Especially if the person who played the weak opening offers middlegame complications, especially if declining the complication requires a minor positional consolation. And then it is equalized, but they still feel under pressure to win, so they still end up over-pressing even after playing solid.
Of course, at my level sometimes I try to play -2 and it turns out to be -5 and I'm just busted. But other times my op thinks it is a trap and turns it into +2 right away avoiding it. But for GMs playing blitz, it should be even more effective than at my level, because the psychological challenges are the same, but they can more accurately choose the optimal risk level.
The Gotham brand is popping. Failing to reach GM was the best thing that ever happened for levy's career.
Suggesting such an in-person challenge undermines the value of the opponent being less prepared.
That opening would only work if the other person didn't have prep. Danya would definitely prepare.
This is exactly what I said on the first video on this. Seems clear to me that he isnt cheating. Its just that no one is prepared for those lines. Ive experimented with similar openings to great success and I suck.
Cheating is tricky. Its obviously happening, but we cant just be banning people based on them not playing like everyone else otherwise the game ceases to evolve.
the games already dead... vibrating beads are going to be considered a primitive method very soon... theres literally no point in caring about this game any longer unless you ignore the competitive aspect, which is a ridiculous notion.
Made simmilar experiences on my lvl ca. 1450 sometimes I blunder a piece and keep on playing and my opponent just cant convert in time. Sometimes my Oponet blunders big and I just cant convert in time. Blitz is tricky even at the toplvl.
@@Monika77ful "Sometimes" is not 40 out of 70. On GM level.
I’ve played this opening last few days and gained +100 rating. Generally it leads to tricky positions and people easily make mistakes or blunders.
Weird... but kinda smart. Create a "bad" opening where your opponent gets overly confident and thinks they are winning, not realizing that this is a very experienced line and they are prepared for. Then time starts running out and the pressure is on and that leads to blunders.
In every e-sport (Mario speed runs, popular fps games, etc.) it is very difficult to tell if someone is that good or they are cheating. Best players are never banned by some algorithms. They are flagged for people to take a look. It might be a little easier with chess but it is far from perfect.
i would argue that its way harder with chess to actually catch a cheater especially online . what if they just cheat on 1 move ?
If they do play a OTB match, the Reddit post already plays into a possible narrative why the result might be very different:
This time, there was all this personal pressure.
If you go into an OTB match with that opening, against someone at that level who knows you're going to play it and has time to prepare, then I don't think you have a chance at winning regardless of skill level. It's an objectively bad opening.
@@trainzackRegardless of skilllvl is a bit mutch. An Im against a very strong Gm might still loose in Blitz even with this quality ofds.
I’d love to hear the joint interview of Brandon, Andrew, and Danya.
let's add Hikaru into that mix as well
"The truth always prevails"
Well, not in New York
when your entire strategy is "he sacrifices... THE ROOK"
4:20 The irony of Levy calling Brandon a nerd whilst being a teacher of chess is bloody hilarious!
For the future audiences the old title is "ANONYMOUS BANNED GM REVEALED!!!!!!!"
Still the above
Update.
Title still unchaged as of this reply.
Update : still there.
Update: It’s been 2 fucking minutes so no reason to think anything changed but to maintain the trend, the title is still the same
I believe tiles use A B testing. Half of the audience gets one title, the other half gets another. Then TH-cam looks at the most popular one and sets that as the title.
the longer this cheese site stubbornly doubles down on their mistake, the more they become the cheaters here.
i dont think a rematch with the same openings being played by brandon would be fair at all. i think mainly brandon could win because of the fact that he was master of that opening while danya had hardly ever played those lines
GMs are rare. People who actually understand the ML models used for those analysis are even rarer.
The opening should be named "The Brandon Gambit"
I was thinking - the antichrist
when i watched your previous video about the anonymous gm i saw the set up with the queen behind the bishop in the corner and i really liked it and i actually started playing it
though i didnt give up my rook
3:40 start of GM background
Start of explanation:
7:30 stupid opening analysis and practicing
9:48 Account creation for stupid opening
10:01 danya games
12:28 Banning
13:30 Andrew Hong Vs Naka
14:25 Some defensive words
15:30 end of post. Start of Gotham's analysis.
18:26 Gothams coments
I love when Gotham coment 😩😩🥵
Thank you 💖
I love your videos but the "in person match" idea is so stupid because Danya has all the time in the world to prepare against that opening...🤦♂The only reason it was effective is the fact it's unexpected and unexplored territory.
otb
@@paulo0651?
people have gotten so used to opening prep that when they actually lose without it it seems weird . engines really did ruin chess lmao
no, it worked cus the guy cheated. naroditsky is among the absolute world elite, you really think he would lose 40 times against a bad position?
this would net maximum a few wins
@@chesswithivan8346 I don't think he cheated. Beating Danya 40-29 is totally doable If someone has full mastery over a weird line in a blitz game.. Cuz he'll have an advantage over their opponent (because he will be ahead on the clock through out the game) thus leading to mistakes being made in the late-middlegame.
Brandons' friend GM also won a game vs Hikaru using this opening...Even levy won 2 games in Titled Tuesday while Magnus going 8.5/11 all playing this opening.
“Beat me physically” that’s dark
It's become obvious that organized chess has a corruption problem that outweighs any cheating going on and that the cheating is mostly pretext.
Def invite him for an interview
4:14 that "nerd" came out of of left field 😭😭😭
Perhaps a bigger question should be why does a single company hold so much influence over a sport?
So sad to see accounts being banned for fair play.
0:37 You forgot to put it in the description!
@@tetsi0815 he fixed it
Damn it. I thought they banned Kramnik :(
Wait why do you hate kramnik?
You don’t want Kramnik to cause more drama?
could you imagine if it was kramnik trying to prove a point and it backfires like that? lol that'd be wild.
@@smileorgobyebye6330He's old.
@@DeerjasonNo. I don't.
Jus an innocent question- "can you get banned for a mass report?"
No.
Please do a series on all the openings in depth i would love it because you make it so easy to understand the game properly
Brandon is living proof that your nerves can be overcome Levy don't give up on the gm road we're always routing for you
U mean online?
Most of these 'beast' GM cant do shit OTB,but play like beast online
Remember Hans?
The top 5 blitz rating
But cant even enter top 30 in blitz wc otb,even lost to a fm+im
Very 'different' with his games online
We were all waiting for the chess drama to unfold
Why would anyone try to become a pro chess player at this point? Bad sallary, a lot of traveling and if you do some out of the box prep you get banned and if you don't look stressed enough over the board Magnus calls you a cheater on Twitter.
Agree with everything else, but reducing the Hans situation down to just “not looking stressed enough” is very disingenuous
Why would a GM cheat against Naroditsky? A well known streamer with a lot of followers in the chess community... I personaly don't believe he is cheating
Also he and Hong both proved multiple times against multiple opponents that it can be a tricky opening during short time controls
I've also not seen anyone show a game that seemed unnatural. The moves I have seen seem pretty normal to me
Most games he literally played almost the exact same setup for the first 10 moves. Then he sat back, waited for his opponent to make an inaccuracy, and counter attacked
The whole point of the opening is to get your opponent out of preparation. If the opponent has studied the opening they will start the game with a real massive advantage.
But that opening has -2 scores
he must be really good to always win more than 10 games from -2 score against Naro
I don't think he cheated.
Why would anyone come out and claim ownership of a banned anonymous account if they were actually a cheater.
10:42 come on, we all know the GM was Vladamir Kramnik
He asked to be in the video but you didn’t have him on?
Why are there so many comments about "clickbait". The title I see: "ANONYMOUS BANNED GM REVEALED" is pretty much a real title. He reveals the name of the cheater in the first couple minutes of the video and the video is fully about his opinion about the issue. If the title is real, it cannot be clickbait. Is it drama? "Yes". But it is real. It also wasn't "made up" by Levy. The "drama" is previous and it actually exists. Is the title in caps, has 4 words and all of them are catchy? Yes. That's not clickbait. That's just an eyecatchy title.
Welcome to the internet my friend, here you’ll find all kinds of people not knowing the meaning of half the things they say. Save your brainpower and don’t bother commenting because people will never learn. Have a good day!
I imagine a good chunk of those are just people joking, hoping to get a pin of shame.
It's a pretty common reply to Gotham's videos and has been for many years so now a lot of people just say it as a joke, I meme if you must.
Alert! Alert! Somebody on the internet is RONG!!!!
Not you, though. Ur rite. Not clickbait. But it's sortof the exception that proves the rule, clickbait is part of the Levy brand. It's memetastic, I guess. Here he couldn't succeed at clickbait because the reality is so salacious!
@@no_nameyouknow Yea I think this is the reason. I didn't think of the pin of shame
It definitely seems like he just used unconventional strategies that created situations that his opponents weren't used to dealing with. I think if they had solid evidence that he was cheating, they would have banned his main account as well.
Honestly, it’s probably just prep and being more used to the position than others. I doubt it will last but glad someone found something fun to play.
4:15 holy shit I couldn’t stop laughing lmfaooooo I didn’t expect that
Why didn’t Levi talked to Branden in this video?
The fair play team can't even figure out that a person who plays a bullet game with all moves made in 0.2 seconds is cheating. So, you never know with them.
cheating in chess in general is very hard to spot so i don't blame them
I can relate to this, I started playing Alekhine’s defense retreat variation (e4, NF6, e5, NG8) and I‘ve gone from 1800 to 2000 now. In blitz almost anything goes, if you know what you’re doing and your opponent relaxes or gets complacent with a position they evaluate as being better than it is, they almost always will get themselves into trouble.
Wonder if he was "toggling." which is where he occasionally peaks at the best move in certain positions and then continues on. That's probably the hardest to detect. It's still possible it's just a false positive.
I don't think so when his timing continues to be the same speed range. 3-5 seconds.
1:06 “jUiCy”
Cheating cheating cheating - sounds like Kramnik is writing video titles for Levy 😂
what if u dont take the rook at the start? his whole opening is gonna be messed up 😂
I'm a 1000 shitter but I feel like the rook take is required. Giving the opponent a free rook lift on turn 3 sounds pants on head stupid.
It's not completely forced, threw this opening into a few engines and crunched for a bit, after 1. a4 e5 2. Ra3 capturing is best at -2.5, but there are several options at -1.3: Nc6, Nf6, d5, and more at slightly below -1 pawn advantage (like pushing e4).
If theyre doing it in person, the same thing is gonna happen again where they accused hans. Absolutely no evidence whatsoever and accused him of cheating on an OFFLINE chess match, absolutely ridiculous
You can call me Brandon
Levy: did he except us to call him by his full name?
levy proceeded to call him by his full name
You can get banned for having multiple accounts. Amazing how no one acknowledges this.
Every top player has multiple accounts
@@DukeOfAwsomeness? I thought you are only allowed to have 1 account?
@@Monika77ful Titled players are allowed an anonymous account.
Sounds dumb, the only legitimate reason to ban multiple accounts is for ban evasion itself.
Guilty until Proven innocent. New way to do it...
The problem is there is no way to prove someone is guilty. The closest thing we have to that is a ban, which he has received. This isn't a case of someone just making accusations.
seems pretty guilty to me
So... someone found something new in chess. Something that works and nobody knows how to counter it. Something so good it gets You banned for cheating 😂 This is actually great stuff! I wonder what there will be of it.
It's not that it's good. It's that it's unfamiliar and a lot of chess is being familiar with a position.
@@allanshpeley4284 That means it’s good. We are not machines.
It really makes me sick that when you win a game or two with a high accuracy, everyone gets suspicious and accuse you for cheating. This is the easiest way rather than say (my opponent outsmarted me). It's all the matter of egos.
"banned for fair play". It's tough these days.