Dosent have much to do with the video but I really appreciate that Ian leaves out politics in his videos. So many gun youtubers go on and on about the NRA and evil liberals, and Ian just sticks to the guns and that's really refreshing I find. So thanks Ian for that
I never realized you did so much work curating comments. I love your work and am in awe of the effort you put in to maintain a friendly and informative channel for your viewers. Thank you very much, Ian.
Just wanted to chime in and say that your ability to keep your channel scrupulously apolitical is why I've been able to keep watching it for over a year.
It's attacking self avowed National Socialists to call them "Nazis"? I just...don't see the logic? Is it derogatory to call a Light Emitting Diode an LED?
And honestly I remember a time when denouncing Nazis was just considered basic human decency, not a political stance of any sort... I mean, we sort of fought a war over it and all...
Insanely informative, unbiased, and entertaining as always, Ian! Keep doing what you're doing, I feel you've got a magic formula here and your channel's got nowhere to go but up. (Despite TH-cam's best efforts...)
For the question at about 17:30, the best historical cow gun would probably be a makrov. It's small compact and has the military feel to it. Other possibilities are either going to be expensive, scarce, or large.
Ian, man if you read this... Man I sometimes leave my app going for hours... Love your show man... Awesome 👍 the history is just incredible. The craftsmanship. The story behind the item. I personally don't own weapons . They are expensive and the ammo is even worse. But this channel is on the top of my list. Man keep it up,
Another thing in the AT grenade's favor that would make it more popular with squads is that it is way harder to tell what is going on and stop it if the whole unit is riflemen than if there are three guys crowded around a tube.
The guy that asked about replacement stocks for milsurps. The best advice I can give to all. If you have a milsurp, that either you wish to restore or repair. The best way that I've found is one of two ways. 1) buy a gss (gunsmith special), AKA a second gun of the same type that is currently inoperable, but can be harvested for the parts you need. 2) drill purpose, buy a drill purpose rifle, and harvest the parts needed. Usually doing those two things, will offer a better return on investment, and easier way to fix up a good rifle.
To hell with the thumbnail! Your fans watch your show for the history you teach and the fascinating firearms. I am one of those fans. Keep up the great work!
Bannerman Castle's visible on trains north of New York City. Always a nice little treat to see something that *looks* like medieval ruins while actually being scarcely a century old.
The image of Bannerman's Arsenal in the thumbnail brought me here. I grew up near the ruins of this old castle on Pollepel Island in the Hudson River and used to hear all sorts stories about it. It's worth taking a ride on the Metro North commuter trains out of Grand Central Terminal to Poughkeepsie, New York where they turn around and go back to the city, just to see the sights along the river - of which Bannerman's is just one.
Modern rocket ball ammo has been tried! In the late 70s, Fiocchi developed the 9mm AUPO round, which had an elongated jacket that held propellant. It offered no advantages over cased ammo and was dropped pretty quickly.
FYI, the "Bf 109" used by Israël were Avia S-199s, which were built in Czekoslovakia with original German Messershmitt 109G parts and airframes. However Avia didn't have access to any of the original Daimler engines used in the Bf-109s over the years so they put Jumo engines from bombers under the hood, which made them pretty terrible and unstable. They ended up being replaced by Spitfire pretty fast.
The Browning Recoiless shotgun was a fully mechanical somewhat 'recoiless' shotgun. A single shot 12 gauge that used a fully mechanical recoil mitigating assembly. Came out in the mid 1990's and didn't see many sales due to an extremely high price and a general fragile build. I believe the gas/magazine tube shotgun you're referring to was a Trap model Remington 870 that you briefly touched on in one video.
Regarding the Ironcross: The Ironcross is just a German military honor, as well a symbol of our military. I really don’t like how many people take a Nazi symbol and replace it with a German symbol and I am really glad that you don’t use the Ironcross. Thank you
3:44 Ordinance wanted to use the same round in machine guns and combat rifles to make their jobs simpler. 5.56 is not a great round to take out traditional middle eastern buildings, strong stone walls, or moderately tough vehicles nor is it a great round for long distances.
+Forgotten Weapons Wrt a "Modern Rocket Ball" ammunition, there actually exists something very similar. The 9×25 mm AUPO for the Benelli CB M2 SMG. It works much like a rocket ball, comprised of a jacketed bullet with the jacket extended out to provide a hollow for the propellant and plugged by a flammable seal. The cartridge was fired by striking a band that was around the middle of the cartridge (think rimfire with a pinfire striking orientation), and depending on your source, the case section would break off but still follow the bullet out the barrel.
Thanks for the great QA Ian, IMO it's the best one yet. I really like the ones like this that include a good bit of your ideas/views as well as the interesting and awesome military and firearm info we all are drawn here for originally. Keep up the good work!
@10:00 Yes, it was a Browning you describe and it was called "Recoilless Trap". It was only made in 12 gauge and only for two years. Thanks to the gas system and the rather hefty weight recoil was virtually nonexistent. Trap guns are much more likely to be embellished- decorative engraving, fancy 'exhibition grade' wood, gold inlaid, etc- than most guns. I think that was a big reason it only lasted for two years. It was just an exceptionally ugly gun.
The "best historical pistol for CCW" type could be several, depending on several factors. The Colt 1903 pocket hammerless is the best example I can think of. A nice Weimar era Walther PPK has interesting history. For newer, but still forgotten in the west; the Soviet PSM.
RE: CCW handguns with historical significance - Good answer, Ian. If you broaden the context of the question a bit, I'd nominate the Browning HP developed in 1935.
Interesting thing about the Pattern 14 Enfield and the No.4 Enfield rifles is just how long they saw service. The No.4 was in use until 2016 with the Canadian Rangers, and the 14 is still in use with the Danish Sirius Dogsled Patrol in Greenland
frank damsy In short, it makes the most logistical sense. In some cases, they will even reuse parts of their infantry rifles for their belt fed LMGs, like the PKM which uses a modified AK bolt.
frank damsy Really its impressive how many ways you can reconfigure a weapon. Buts theres always gonna be limits to that inherent to the base design. For instance, AR-15's dont make the best LMG's. Everything is so compact and tightly fitted. Any warping caused by heat will have more of an effect in an AR-15 based LMG than an AK or G3.
Fox Phelps Its generally considered sub par for LMG's probably due to comparatively low ability to penetrate hard cover. But i can't think of other reasons for this idea of it being a poor LMG round. It would seem to make a great round for belt fed LMGs which are mainly suppression tools. You can fit a lot more 5.56 into a container than say, 7.62x39 or even 5.45x39. Standard box for the M249 is 200 rounds. Low recoil too, especially when in a heavy belt fed like the M249. Theoretically speaking, it seems to be a dream for suppressive fire.
German here. That video should actually be reasonably easy to restore in germany. You are pretty much the definition of the exception here. Similiar content from germany (especially Dr. Ludwig can explain alot) has been reinstated many times before
I have a Browning recoilless trap gun that is a long recoil action turned backwards so the barrel reciprocates forward and then back and the pretty stiff recoil spring absorbs "up to 75% of felt recoil" and I can confirm it works. It's also interesting that it's a self cocking, manually operated bolt action as well
One advantage of rifle grenades over rockets is the lack of backblast. Bazookas could not be used inside small building rooms and were iffy when used from foxholes and trenches because if the backblast is confined it bounces back and roasts the user and any nearby friends. Rifle grenades could be fired from pretty much anywhere.
the russian AEK rifles and the SR1 and ak107 are also using a recoil reducing system, it works by having a weight that moves forward as the bolt moves backward. pretty good working and also pretty simple compared to things like an94
Regarding rocket ball aerodynamics (1:12:00 ish): big mass at the front, big surface at the back is actually a very stable configuration for forward flight. Look at darts - either the kind used for playing the game of darts, or the kind used in NERF toys - both have the weight towards the front and both fly straight.
@1:12:10 In the case of a rocket ball, A heavy weight at the front and a light weight at the back is the stable configuration. I can tell you from my experience with designing rockets, you WANT to centre of mass ahead of the centre of drag.
I agree although the term you want is center of mass ahead of the center of pressure (as in, aerodynamic drag pressure when the bullet is turned slightly sideways). COM and COG are the same thing so they cannot be at different locations. There is also the opportunity to spin the bullet still, which eliminates the need for aerodynamic stability (and is superior for something like a bullet with a short, high speed flight duration). I'm afraid that Ian is wrong about the stability issue.
Late to the party but I have to comment on the Vampir (ZG1229) scope. The WTS museum in Koblenz has one on display. In regards to Ian's comment about one being in the US, I had the pleasure of meeting the former curator of the Aberdeen Ordnance Museum Bill Atwater in 2005 and asked him about the ZG1229 and he said he knew of one owner in the US and believed him to be in Washington (whether he meant the state or DC I didn't ask).
About the Finnish cartridge question... There were tests about 5.56 vs 7.62 in the forested area, where 5.56 would wander off of a little hit of foliage, where as 7.62 would withstand those with a good trajectory.
41 Action Express is an obsolete round that could still have a place. 40 SW pushed it out of the market, but it 41 AE was a better middle ground between 9mm and 45acp. Also if someone wants to look at differences in revolvers then look into Mateba's designs. He was quite willing to try new things.
In regards to the US not adopting the 1917 Enfield after WW1 and subsequent criticism, it was probably a good thing and in hindsight. It helped adopt the M1 Garand, which was arguably the most advanced main rifle in WW2.
RE the Pedersen cartridge, Mike Beliveau (aka Duelist1954) has reloaded .32 French long for his M1935A pistol, he made a video or two on the subject. the main problem is the brass, it can be made out of .32s&w brass, but requires machining on a lathe to remove the rim and cut an extractor groove into the casehead. bullets are available, hornady makes an XTP 90gr in .309 diameter.
19:39 - what about 7.62x45 from 1950's Czech republic? The only reason they dropped it was because x39 standardization was cheaper. It would be a more effective intermediate .30 caliber than 300blk or 7.62x39 while still having a shorter action and less recoil than 7.62x51 NATO.
Would it be more effective though? It might have problems fitting in any kind of magazine because it is 2mm longer than 5.56 and 5.45 and 4mm longer than 7.62x39 so it would probably only be viable for a completely new weapon. In terms of performance it is also not really a significant change over 7.62x39. It's definately not a bad caliber but what does it offer that is worth the hassle of changing to it?
I was really surprised you talked about the Stock Lock and similar shotgun recoil system. The 870 competition used a gas system resembling the one on an 1100
Love the thumbnail image as I live within eye shot of Bannermans Island! In fact me and a few friends used to canoe out to the island play around n explore back in the 1980’s🤙🤙🤙🤘🤘🤘🤘
Great video! Only one thing about the rocketball- having a front-heavy projectile is GOOD for stability- it is how most types of shotgun slugs intended for smoothbores are stabilised.
Regarding C&R carry pistols: I agree that many of the historic guns we'd think of for the task are a bit outdated, but one good example would be a Makarov or Makarov-like pistol such as the PA-63 or Polish P64. Small, 9x18mm (or even .380) and featuring both DA/SA operation and a safety decocker.
I love the Bannerman Castle thumbnail! I went to Bannerman/Pollepel Island last year - it was a great tour and boat ride to the island. A very cool slice of Americana.
I'd argue the drop in .22LR conversion bolt and mags for AR-15s are the modern day equivalent of the Pederson Device. I could even see some edge use cases they'd be good for if partnered with a suppressor.
I know the video is a couple days old, but after scanning some of the comments, I didn't see any on this. I think you might be a little mistaken about a modern rocket ball ammo. The center of mass would be well forward of the center of lift (or drag as you have it) and wouldn't spin around to tail first. I'm not saying it would be stable because more goes into it than that, or that rocket ball ammo is a good or bad idea, just that having a hollow base would keep the center of mass forward, which is actually what you want. Think of a spear. The head being heavier is what keeps it from spinning around if you throw it. I say this with the most respectful intentions. You know way more than I do about most of these things.
At the Liège's gunsmith school Léon Mignon, you would definitely be recognized. By me for starter, after all if i'm doing this school it's because of this channel.
The Israeli military adopted 8mm for a plethora of reasons. One reason that comes to mind(similar to Finland) is the fact that many of Israeli’s not so happy neighbors used 8mm extensively(especially former ottoman territories).It was also extremely cheap and combat tested and approved. The m1 carbine is also STILL very popular. Many of these came in as military aid(free) so these are STILL quite common.
I think sticking with a full-power cartridge was right based on World War I experience, where soldiers were shooting at each other at relatively long ranges between trenches. And I think it was right based on the longer ranges in many theaters of World War II. What really allowed intermediate cartridges to shine, though, was the accuracy of the AR platform and the inaccuracy of earlier weapons. The M1 Garand was a 2-4 MOA weapon; acceptable for its day, but it effectively neutered the .30-06 cartridge to around 400 yards effective range. Meanwhile, an AR with 5.56 is usable out to around 600 yards. A full-power cartridge with the right weapon will certainly have a more versatile engagement envelope, but they simply got leapfrogged.
A frequently overlooked advantage of rifle grenades vs bazookas is rifle grenades have no backblast. Bazookas cannot be used from buildings and bunkers without the rocket backblast bouncing around and roasting the user, even from an entrenchment the user has to rise to a fairly elevated position to keep the backblast out of the trench. This basically means using a bazooka requires the user to dangerously expose himself to enemy fire and observation. Rifle grenades can be used from cover anywhere you can use a rifle.
Browning A-5 Aciér Especiale (FN Belgium mfr'd early models) had floating barrel, which absorbed most of the recoil. Very slick shotguns {referring to the Q about guns with recoil mitigation}
There's probably some abandoned ex-Soviet warehouse in Moldova or somewhere as equally random with like 50 of those German night-sights stored in a moldy wooden crate. 16:20 - That's actually a very handsome looking rifle. It looks comfortable. Like it can get the job done in a small and easy to maneuver form. Like a compact SUV.
I'd think a CZ-82 would make for a respectable C&R CCW pistol. Granted it has some draw backs such as weight being an all steel design. The lack of a decocker is a legitimate safety concern, and 9mm makarov isn't the most potent option and it lacks ammo options. But it is a solid and reliable DA/SA compact pistol with ambi safety and mag release that has 12+1 rounds and is a C&R pistol.
As a carry gun I carried a 1911 for a bit because of reliability, but only having 7 rounds sucked, so I carried 3 spare mags. Practicing twice a week I was a able to have may worse draw and shoot from the hit at about 5 inch group at 5 yards and worse quick point group at 3 inches at 15 yards.
Okay, so to get the front and rear sights in focus at the same time, you need to increase the "f stop" number or "F#" and you might need to increase the "iso" to adjust the brightness. Write down the current values, or any settings currently set to "auto" before the change, so you can go back to filming after. I don't know if it is worth your time, but someday you will see a really neat sight-picture and might want to share it with us.
I have a very special gun as my EDC myself and it's not just a C&R but an antique gun!That is a conehammer Mauser C-96 made in 1897!Very historical yet very easy to find ammo for and in fact a damn great self defense tool!To be honest I really won't say that it has any major disadvantages against more modern guns so I already carry it for a while now.. As of today I had already smoked a few whitetail deer with my conehammer C-96 this season 😎
If the 35M has issues similar to the G98/40 then be careful with the extractor! They have a nasty habit of breaking and are unobtanium. My G98/40 is still running strong, I don't use it much and I am very careful with it when I do take it out.
You mentioned instability of rocket balls, bullets that when propellant is exhausted, you have a bullet that can swap ends and fly backwards. Shotgun deerslugs have nose-heavy construction and a hollow skirt. They are fired from smootgbore barrels and fly like a shuttlecock and hit the deer nose first. Instability may be from uneven burn of propellant while in free flight. Bazooka rockets do their complete burn while in the tube, not while in free flight.
Anytime you can use both your own ammo and that of your opponent you eliminate the major problem of supply and resupply under combat conditions..especially in a country like Finland where supply has a very long (and precarious) supply line as a major impediment...
The Makarov pistol is a C&R eligible handgun that while not new, is still plenty safe for CCW. I'm not advocating carrying something for the sole purpose of its historical context but Maks can often be had for very reasonable prices and they are functionally sound. Which make them a great option for someone who wants to CCW but may not have the funds for a Shield or Glock etc...
Christopher Clark On the opposite side of cost I like the HK P7. It's well made, slim/snag free, and the grip safety is pretty good once you get used to it. Although I agree that carrying historic firearms defeats the point a bit.
I own 2 Model 1917 Enfield rifles One a original trim the other was just the action and I mounted it in a custom Bishop thumbhole stock. Both are excellent rifles.
belt fed AR-15 upper on sale right now...that actually works, with quick change barrels....fightlight, it has already been used by PMCs and PMSCs overseas
A slight mistake about modern "Rocket Balls". The heavy nose - light tail is "Inherently Stable", not unstable. Such a missile does not require rifling at all, or fins either. See "Fliegerfaust" ammunition. It may have been spun, but it was done so as to prevent uneven burning of the propellent from making it veer off course. Projectiles that long in relation to their diameter can not be spin stabilized! The upper limit of spin stabilized projectile L/D Ratio is less than seven, but most rifles use a projectile 4-5/1 L/D Ratio because of the extremely rapid rate of twist required for longer bullets. Such rifles often have 6-6.5"/1 full turn of the rifling twist, while most normal rifles have 1 Turn in 9-14" if they are expected to last a long time. The 1 in 7" twist rate of some M-16s and M-4 Carbines required by the longer bullets required to give a sufficient SD for longer range, resulted a lack of wounding power by reducing the tumbling after impact.
Dosent have much to do with the video but I really appreciate that Ian leaves out politics in his videos. So many gun youtubers go on and on about the NRA and evil liberals, and Ian just sticks to the guns and that's really refreshing I find. So thanks Ian for that
Luke Oeltjenbruns Indeed, Ian is a scholar!
Cykablyat but is is caused or accelerated by humans and, the big one, who cares
Cykablyat absolutely!
Luke Oeltjenbruns Sometimes you do have to get into politics, remember when politicians tried to ban AR 15s in 2012.
Adrian Myers Well, not on cooking channels maybe.
Best TH-cam channel on weapons, ever. No competition, not even close. Great work Ian.
Have you watched C&Rsenal?
Have you seen Flannel daddy or papa kalash
@@kevinsullivan3448 Yes i have. Also great channel.
Try Brttish muzzleloaders
I never realized you did so much work curating comments. I love your work and am in awe of the effort you put in to maintain a friendly and informative channel for your viewers. Thank you very much, Ian.
We don't call him gun jesus just based on appearance :)
What does curating comments mean?
@@NicholasAdeptus Cleaning the trash comments. Or people spreading misinformation about a firearm that Ian knows for a fact is wrong.
Just wanted to chime in and say that your ability to keep your channel scrupulously apolitical is why I've been able to keep watching it for over a year.
It's attacking self avowed National Socialists to call them "Nazis"?
I just...don't see the logic? Is it derogatory to call a Light Emitting Diode an LED?
And honestly I remember a time when denouncing Nazis was just considered basic human decency, not a political stance of any sort...
I mean, we sort of fought a war over it and all...
@@sudasuda5529 hhhm,
@@sudasuda5529 When was this? 😂
@@sudasuda5529 Hol up, are you claiming unironically to be a literal “national socialist”?
Always appreciate the longer format of the Q&A's, thanks Ian.
Insanely informative, unbiased, and entertaining as always, Ian! Keep doing what you're doing, I feel you've got a magic formula here and your channel's got nowhere to go but up. (Despite TH-cam's best efforts...)
The Spencer has a protected feed tube. The feed tube on the Henry is fragile and open to dirt and debris.
For the question at about 17:30, the best historical cow gun would probably be a makrov. It's small compact and has the military feel to it. Other possibilities are either going to be expensive, scarce, or large.
Naw, derringer all the way
I wish the beltfed 22 guy would have won the argument in the us :D
Markus The Turtle Me too. Now I'm a little sad.
That is an M249, afterall.
Markus The Turtle - I'd like to see the prototype at least.
GunFun ZS in a sense yes
@@GunFunZS I mean yeah quite literally
When are you going to make a video of a phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range?
Joan Summers you ain't getting notnin' done with 40 watts, you need at least a kilowatt.........
Joan Summers and you also need a variable frequency oscillator to rotate phases to reduce the possibility of jamming.
tarstakars How about a video of a 45 long slide with laser sighting?
tarstakars you forgot the desmotronic actuator and cold fused fusion pack to power the unit as well.
Joan Summers
Can't go wrong with a nine millimeter UZI when your a cyberdyne systems model T-800
Ian, man if you read this... Man I sometimes leave my app going for hours... Love your show man... Awesome 👍 the history is just incredible. The craftsmanship. The story behind the item. I personally don't own weapons . They are expensive and the ammo is even worse. But this channel is on the top of my list. Man keep it up,
Some of us have definitely fallen asleep while Ian is teaching.
As a left handed person I would like to see you dive into the history of left handed weapons and the history of ambidextrous controls development.
s2meister That's almost every video!
Another thing in the AT grenade's favor that would make it more popular with squads is that it is way harder to tell what is going on and stop it if the whole unit is riflemen than if there are three guys crowded around a tube.
Belt fed 22s for everyone!!!
Real men shoot 308 *makes semi quiet pew pew noises*
I must be an above average man.. I shoot 30-06 .. what can I say, my .308 is just longer :)
There's a miniature .22 LR M1919, semi auto with a crank on youtube.
Very importantly the belt-fed 22s need to have sights adjustable out to 1,000 yards. So many bullets, one is bound to hit!
Real men shoot 308 yessss belt fed 22 mag for me too!
I also love that he focuses on tech specs and history cos that's what makes the subject matter interesting.
Very on point video design all round!
The guy that asked about replacement stocks for milsurps. The best advice I can give to all. If you have a milsurp, that either you wish to restore or repair. The best way that I've found is one of two ways. 1) buy a gss (gunsmith special), AKA a second gun of the same type that is currently inoperable, but can be harvested for the parts you need. 2) drill purpose, buy a drill purpose rifle, and harvest the parts needed. Usually doing those two things, will offer a better return on investment, and easier way to fix up a good rifle.
To hell with the thumbnail! Your fans watch your show for the history you teach and the fascinating firearms. I am one of those fans. Keep up the great work!
Bannerman Castle's visible on trains north of New York City. Always a nice little treat to see something that *looks* like medieval ruins while actually being scarcely a century old.
The image of Bannerman's Arsenal in the thumbnail brought me here. I grew up near the ruins of this old castle on Pollepel Island in the Hudson River and used to hear all sorts stories about it. It's worth taking a ride on the Metro North commuter trains out of Grand Central Terminal to Poughkeepsie, New York where they turn around and go back to the city, just to see the sights along the river - of which Bannerman's is just one.
I am a South African, and bought the book on South African firearms only after you reviewed it. Keep up the good work
That you can get over half a million happy subscribers via a 'one-man operation' is something you should be bloody proud of, mate :)
I too had been wondering about a modernised version of Rocket Ball.
Thank you Ian, for all your efforts to educate us.
Modern rocket ball ammo has been tried! In the late 70s, Fiocchi developed the 9mm AUPO round, which had an elongated jacket that held propellant. It offered no advantages over cased ammo and was dropped pretty quickly.
FYI, the "Bf 109" used by Israël were Avia S-199s, which were built in Czekoslovakia with original German Messershmitt 109G parts and airframes. However Avia didn't have access to any of the original Daimler engines used in the Bf-109s over the years so they put Jumo engines from bombers under the hood, which made them pretty terrible and unstable.
They ended up being replaced by Spitfire pretty fast.
Same with spain, but they used merlin engines instead
The Diamler engines are what made that plane such a performer. Anything else would be garbage.
It's two stage supercharger is massive on a Merlin.
The Browning Recoiless shotgun was a fully mechanical somewhat 'recoiless' shotgun. A single shot 12 gauge that used a fully mechanical recoil mitigating assembly. Came out in the mid 1990's and didn't see many sales due to an extremely high price and a general fragile build. I believe the gas/magazine tube shotgun you're referring to was a Trap model Remington 870 that you briefly touched on in one video.
Regarding the Ironcross:
The Ironcross is just a German military honor, as well a symbol of our military. I really don’t like how many people take a Nazi symbol and replace it with a German symbol and I am really glad that you don’t use the Ironcross.
Thank you
3:44 Ordinance wanted to use the same round in machine guns and combat rifles to make their jobs simpler. 5.56 is not a great round to take out traditional middle eastern buildings, strong stone walls, or moderately tough vehicles nor is it a great round for long distances.
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+Forgotten Weapons Wrt a "Modern Rocket Ball" ammunition, there actually exists something very similar. The 9×25 mm AUPO for the Benelli CB M2 SMG.
It works much like a rocket ball, comprised of a jacketed bullet with the jacket extended out to provide a hollow for the propellant and plugged by a flammable seal. The cartridge was fired by striking a band that was around the middle of the cartridge (think rimfire with a pinfire striking orientation), and depending on your source, the case section would break off but still follow the bullet out the barrel.
I love the Q&A. I always learn interesting things.
I'm fascinated by Ian's knowledge. His advice is spot on.
Ian you're about the most intelligent and educated on weapons. Thanks for sharing the knowledge.
Thanks for the great QA Ian, IMO it's the best one yet.
I really like the ones like this that include a good bit of your ideas/views as well as the interesting and awesome military and firearm info we all are drawn here for originally.
Keep up the good work!
Supremely knowledgeable and very articulate!!
We should be issuing belt fed 22LR to EVERYBODY!
You don't come off as a crazed gun nut, one of the many reasons I love about your videos.
One of the reasons why I like him. I like guns but I can't stand the gun community.
The AEK-971 has recoil mitigation in its design as well.
@10:00 Yes, it was a Browning you describe and it was called "Recoilless Trap". It was only made in 12 gauge and only for two years. Thanks to the gas system and the rather hefty weight recoil was virtually nonexistent. Trap guns are much more likely to be embellished- decorative engraving, fancy 'exhibition grade' wood, gold inlaid, etc- than most guns. I think that was a big reason it only lasted for two years. It was just an exceptionally ugly gun.
The "best historical pistol for CCW" type could be several, depending on several factors. The Colt 1903 pocket hammerless is the best example I can think of. A nice Weimar era Walther PPK has interesting history. For newer, but still forgotten in the west; the Soviet PSM.
Agreed, I thought PPK too
My first thought was a Whitney Wolverine
This channel is pure gold.
RE: CCW handguns with historical significance - Good answer, Ian. If you broaden the context of the question a bit, I'd nominate the Browning HP developed in 1935.
Interesting thing about the Pattern 14 Enfield and the No.4 Enfield rifles is just how long they saw service. The No.4 was in use until 2016 with the Canadian Rangers, and the 14 is still in use with the Danish Sirius Dogsled Patrol in Greenland
Why haven't more militaries adopted the ultimax LMG? It seems like a great way to mitigate recoil but still have a relatively lightweight gun
Carl Smith low rate of fire perhaps?
frank damsy In short, it makes the most logistical sense. In some cases, they will even reuse parts of their infantry rifles for their belt fed LMGs, like the PKM which uses a modified AK bolt.
frank damsy Really its impressive how many ways you can reconfigure a weapon. Buts theres always gonna be limits to that inherent to the base design. For instance, AR-15's dont make the best LMG's. Everything is so compact and tightly fitted. Any warping caused by heat will have more of an effect in an AR-15 based LMG than an AK or G3.
I don't know if its reality or just a perception of reality but generally 556 is considered inadequate for lmgs
Fox Phelps Its generally considered sub par for LMG's probably due to comparatively low ability to penetrate hard cover. But i can't think of other reasons for this idea of it being a poor LMG round. It would seem to make a great round for belt fed LMGs which are mainly suppression tools. You can fit a lot more 5.56 into a container than say, 7.62x39 or even 5.45x39. Standard box for the M249 is 200 rounds. Low recoil too, especially when in a heavy belt fed like the M249. Theoretically speaking, it seems to be a dream for suppressive fire.
German here. That video should actually be reasonably easy to restore in germany. You are pretty much the definition of the exception here. Similiar content from germany (especially Dr. Ludwig can explain alot) has been reinstated many times before
Another Q&A , awesome !
I have a Browning recoilless trap gun that is a long recoil action turned backwards so the barrel reciprocates forward and then back and the pretty stiff recoil spring absorbs "up to 75% of felt recoil" and I can confirm it works. It's also interesting that it's a self cocking, manually operated bolt action as well
One advantage of rifle grenades over rockets is the lack of backblast. Bazookas could not be used inside small building rooms and were iffy when used from foxholes and trenches because if the backblast is confined it bounces back and roasts the user and any nearby friends. Rifle grenades could be fired from pretty much anywhere.
the russian AEK rifles and the SR1 and ak107 are also using a recoil reducing system, it works by having a weight that moves forward as the bolt moves backward. pretty good working and also pretty simple compared to things like an94
Well said. I'm a dirty lefty, anti-gun dude, but seeing those machines is lovely. Like a great wrist watch. cheers.
Regarding rocket ball aerodynamics (1:12:00 ish): big mass at the front, big surface at the back is actually a very stable configuration for forward flight. Look at darts - either the kind used for playing the game of darts, or the kind used in NERF toys - both have the weight towards the front and both fly straight.
@1:12:10 In the case of a rocket ball, A heavy weight at the front and a light weight at the back is the stable configuration. I can tell you from my experience with designing rockets, you WANT to centre of mass ahead of the centre of drag.
I agree although the term you want is center of mass ahead of the center of pressure (as in, aerodynamic drag pressure when the bullet is turned slightly sideways). COM and COG are the same thing so they cannot be at different locations. There is also the opportunity to spin the bullet still, which eliminates the need for aerodynamic stability (and is superior for something like a bullet with a short, high speed flight duration). I'm afraid that Ian is wrong about the stability issue.
Late to the party but I have to comment on the Vampir (ZG1229) scope. The WTS museum in Koblenz has one on display. In regards to Ian's comment about one being in the US, I had the pleasure of meeting the former curator of the Aberdeen Ordnance Museum Bill Atwater in 2005 and asked him about the ZG1229 and he said he knew of one owner in the US and believed him to be in Washington (whether he meant the state or DC I didn't ask).
About the Finnish cartridge question... There were tests about 5.56 vs 7.62 in the forested area, where 5.56 would wander off of a little hit of foliage, where as 7.62 would withstand those with a good trajectory.
41 Action Express is an obsolete round that could still have a place. 40 SW pushed it out of the market, but it 41 AE was a better middle ground between 9mm and 45acp.
Also if someone wants to look at differences in revolvers then look into Mateba's designs. He was quite willing to try new things.
In regards to the US not adopting the 1917 Enfield after WW1 and subsequent criticism, it was probably a good thing and in hindsight. It helped adopt the M1 Garand, which was arguably the most advanced main rifle in WW2.
RE the Pedersen cartridge, Mike Beliveau (aka Duelist1954) has reloaded .32 French long for his M1935A pistol, he made a video or two on the subject. the main problem is the brass, it can be made out of .32s&w brass, but requires machining on a lathe to remove the rim and cut an extractor groove into the casehead. bullets are available, hornady makes an XTP 90gr in .309 diameter.
One of the best books I have found is W.W.Greener's "The Gun" is great coverage of gun development up to the first world war
19:39 - what about 7.62x45 from 1950's Czech republic? The only reason they dropped it was because x39 standardization was cheaper. It would be a more effective intermediate .30 caliber than 300blk or 7.62x39 while still having a shorter action and less recoil than 7.62x51 NATO.
Would it be more effective though? It might have problems fitting in any kind of magazine because it is 2mm longer than 5.56 and 5.45 and 4mm longer than 7.62x39 so it would probably only be viable for a completely new weapon. In terms of performance it is also not really a significant change over 7.62x39. It's definately not a bad caliber but what does it offer that is worth the hassle of changing to it?
I was really surprised you talked about the Stock Lock and similar shotgun recoil system. The 870 competition used a gas system resembling the one on an 1100
Love the thumbnail image as I live within eye shot of Bannermans Island! In fact me and a few friends used to canoe out to the island play around n explore back in the 1980’s🤙🤙🤙🤘🤘🤘🤘
thanks for yet another super informative video!
Great video! Only one thing about the rocketball- having a front-heavy projectile is GOOD for stability- it is how most types of shotgun slugs intended for smoothbores are stabilised.
His knowledge always amazes me.
Regarding C&R carry pistols: I agree that many of the historic guns we'd think of for the task are a bit outdated, but one good example would be a Makarov or Makarov-like pistol such as the PA-63 or Polish P64. Small, 9x18mm (or even .380) and featuring both DA/SA operation and a safety decocker.
In the early 70's I qualified on the Thompson, aboard a fast attack submarine, used for repel boarder situations.
Thanks for answering my question.
I love the Bannerman Castle thumbnail! I went to Bannerman/Pollepel Island last year - it was a great tour and boat ride to the island. A very cool slice of Americana.
1:19:25 Weapon I'd carry? A naval Luger, because please, put me in the Kreigsmarine as an officer in WWI.
I'd argue the drop in .22LR conversion bolt and mags for AR-15s are the modern day equivalent of the Pederson Device. I could even see some edge use cases they'd be good for if partnered with a suppressor.
Keep doing what you are doing! It is awesome and informative.
I know the video is a couple days old, but after scanning some of the comments, I didn't see any on this. I think you might be a little mistaken about a modern rocket ball ammo. The center of mass would be well forward of the center of lift (or drag as you have it) and wouldn't spin around to tail first. I'm not saying it would be stable because more goes into it than that, or that rocket ball ammo is a good or bad idea, just that having a hollow base would keep the center of mass forward, which is actually what you want. Think of a spear. The head being heavier is what keeps it from spinning around if you throw it. I say this with the most respectful intentions. You know way more than I do about most of these things.
At the Liège's gunsmith school Léon Mignon, you would definitely be recognized.
By me for starter, after all if i'm doing this school it's because of this channel.
Thanks always enjoy the Q&As.
The Israeli military adopted 8mm for a plethora of reasons. One reason that comes to mind(similar to Finland) is the fact that many of Israeli’s not so happy neighbors used 8mm extensively(especially former ottoman territories).It was also extremely cheap and combat tested and approved. The m1 carbine is also STILL very popular. Many of these came in as military aid(free) so these are STILL quite common.
Man for normal people . Please SHOW the WEAPON (just pic) you talk about . Best gun Chanel
I think sticking with a full-power cartridge was right based on World War I experience, where soldiers were shooting at each other at relatively long ranges between trenches. And I think it was right based on the longer ranges in many theaters of World War II. What really allowed intermediate cartridges to shine, though, was the accuracy of the AR platform and the inaccuracy of earlier weapons. The M1 Garand was a 2-4 MOA weapon; acceptable for its day, but it effectively neutered the .30-06 cartridge to around 400 yards effective range. Meanwhile, an AR with 5.56 is usable out to around 600 yards. A full-power cartridge with the right weapon will certainly have a more versatile engagement envelope, but they simply got leapfrogged.
A frequently overlooked advantage of rifle grenades vs bazookas is rifle grenades have no backblast. Bazookas cannot be used from buildings and bunkers without the rocket backblast bouncing around and roasting the user, even from an entrenchment the user has to rise to a fairly elevated position to keep the backblast out of the trench. This basically means using a bazooka requires the user to dangerously expose himself to enemy fire and observation. Rifle grenades can be used from cover anywhere you can use a rifle.
Browning A-5 Aciér Especiale (FN Belgium mfr'd early models) had floating barrel, which absorbed most of the recoil. Very slick shotguns {referring to the Q about guns with recoil mitigation}
Easter Egg: Ian's Blue Sun shirt from the FIrefly franchise means we'll be getting an episode on Jayne's "Vera" at some point.
A saiga 12 gauge?
That didn't age well
Had to go look up the Pederson Device. It was a clever wee thing.
M3 Grease gun... love that name! Very descriptive.
There's probably some abandoned ex-Soviet warehouse in Moldova or somewhere as equally random with like 50 of those German night-sights stored in a moldy wooden crate.
16:20 - That's actually a very handsome looking rifle. It looks comfortable. Like it can get the job done in a small and easy to maneuver form. Like a compact SUV.
I'd think a CZ-82 would make for a respectable C&R CCW pistol. Granted it has some draw backs such as weight being an all steel design. The lack of a decocker is a legitimate safety concern, and 9mm makarov isn't the most potent option and it lacks ammo options. But it is a solid and reliable DA/SA compact pistol with ambi safety and mag release that has 12+1 rounds and is a C&R pistol.
As a carry gun I carried a 1911 for a bit because of reliability, but only having 7 rounds sucked, so I carried 3 spare mags. Practicing twice a week I was a able to have may worse draw and shoot from the hit at about 5 inch group at 5 yards and worse quick point group at 3 inches at 15 yards.
Whoa Ian.. tangentially. Great vocab word there!
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Wow with InRangeTV this is about 4hours Q&A
I'm not complaining.
It's outside of stevemre1989 releasing a bunch of videos....the best time of the month.
Great work Ian.
Anytime you are in the south east UK & are in need of a roadie & tour guide im your man
Okay, so to get the front and rear sights in focus at the same time, you need to increase the "f stop" number or "F#" and you might need to increase the "iso" to adjust the brightness. Write down the current values, or any settings currently set to "auto" before the change, so you can go back to filming after. I don't know if it is worth your time, but someday you will see a really neat sight-picture and might want to share it with us.
Recoil mitigation question. Another example is vz. 61 Scorpion. Totally fantastic design
For the concealed carry I instantly thought of the browning high power. Interesting historical gun and still a good gun to this day
I have a very special gun as my EDC myself and it's not just a C&R but an antique gun!That is a conehammer Mauser C-96 made in 1897!Very historical yet very easy to find ammo for and in fact a damn great self defense tool!To be honest I really won't say that it has any major disadvantages against more modern guns so I already carry it for a while now.. As of today I had already smoked a few whitetail deer with my conehammer C-96 this season 😎
I desperately want a Hi-Power, unfortunately I'm Canadian and actually getting to use it as more than a range toy is out of the question
If the 35M has issues similar to the G98/40 then be careful with the extractor! They have a nasty habit of breaking and are unobtanium. My G98/40 is still running strong, I don't use it much and I am very careful with it when I do take it out.
You mentioned instability of rocket balls, bullets that when propellant is exhausted, you have a bullet that can swap ends and fly backwards. Shotgun deerslugs have nose-heavy construction and a hollow skirt. They are fired from smootgbore barrels and fly like a shuttlecock and hit the deer nose first. Instability may be from uneven burn of propellant while in free flight. Bazooka rockets do their complete burn while in the tube, not while in free flight.
Enjoying the videos.I would like to see a video of a Rhino multi cartridge handgun. It came out about the same time as the Glock 17.
chris silsby i believe he did a video on a revolver that could fire just all sorts of different cartridges. not sure if its the same one though
Forgotten Weapons! Cool QA sorry to hear there are so many people out there like this
Anytime you can use both your own ammo and that of your opponent you eliminate the major problem of supply and resupply under combat conditions..especially in a country like Finland where supply has a very long (and precarious) supply line as a major impediment...
The Makarov pistol is a C&R eligible handgun that while not new, is still plenty safe for CCW.
I'm not advocating carrying something for the sole purpose of its historical context but Maks can often be had for very reasonable prices and they are functionally sound. Which make them a great option for someone who wants to CCW but may not have the funds for a Shield or Glock etc...
Christopher Clark On the opposite side of cost I like the HK P7. It's well made, slim/snag free, and the grip safety is pretty good once you get used to it. Although I agree that carrying historic firearms defeats the point a bit.
ive shot a makerov before, it was pleasant to shoot, accurate, and fairly small.
I own 2 Model 1917 Enfield rifles
One a original trim the other was just the action and I mounted it in a custom Bishop thumbhole stock. Both are excellent rifles.
Seriously digging the Firefly shirt!
belt fed AR-15 upper on sale right now...that actually works, with quick change barrels....fightlight, it has already been used by PMCs and PMSCs overseas
A slight mistake about modern "Rocket Balls". The heavy nose - light tail is "Inherently Stable", not unstable. Such a missile does not require rifling at all, or fins either. See "Fliegerfaust" ammunition. It may have been spun, but it was done so as to prevent uneven burning of the propellent from making it veer off course. Projectiles that long in relation to their diameter can not be spin stabilized! The upper limit of spin stabilized projectile L/D Ratio is less than seven, but most rifles use a projectile 4-5/1 L/D Ratio because of the extremely rapid rate of twist required for longer bullets. Such rifles often have 6-6.5"/1 full turn of the rifling twist, while most normal rifles have 1 Turn in 9-14" if they are expected to last a long time. The 1 in 7" twist rate of some M-16s and M-4 Carbines required by the longer bullets required to give a sufficient SD for longer range, resulted a lack of wounding power by reducing the tumbling after impact.