Well, how many people can say that their childhood friend became pope?? My family and the Bawden's were extremely close back in the early to mid 70's; David was a good friend of mine, and we were the first altar boys at the traditional chapel that was started there in Oklahoma City. (Okay, David was officially the first one, then he taught me.) In fact, my father was David's Confirmation sponsor, and Ken Bawden (David's father) was MY Confirmation sponsor, when we received that Sacrament conferred by Archbishop Marcel Lefevbre (prior to his 22 July 1976 supposed-suspension by the Vatican). My family moved away from OKC in the Spring of 1977, about the time David (I believe) went off to the SSPX seminary in Econe, Switzerland. While I had learned of his "election" not long after it happened, it was only very recently that I learned of his passing and discovered this documentary. I had often thought about reaching out to him but honestly, wasn't sure what I could even say at that point. I will choose to remember David as I knew him back then in OKC, and have been praying for the eternal rest of his immortal soul.
@@beardown851 I was friends with David Bawden when he was a teenager. Anything beyond that point is a complete mystery to me except what I learned second- or third-hand. I knew David, not (Anti-) Pope Michael.
He was certainly in prelest, but you can tell Pope Michael probably had some mental deficiencies. He was certainly a sweet man, and he unquestionably had a good heart, and a deep love of God. I pray God have mercy on him. I hope to meet him in the next life.
I think he's trying to do good he's moved by Holy Spirit and obviously the papacy is really messed up you got a criminal in there in the current pope in Rome was a bar bouncer, who betrayed his friends who are there by tortured, and looks even more shady the new whoever you are complaining about. One of the Pope's before him was part one of the Nazi luftwaffe a Nazi pilot. I mean really don't you think your pass is gone a little bit off wack when the Pope's a Nazi. I say give this guy a chance he looks like a good wholesome Farm Boy.
If any antipope is in Heaven, please let it be this man. I truly believe he was not culpable of schism due to his mental illness. He did what he believed to be right and holy and had the courage to stand up time and time again for it, even if it was false and objectively insane, in the face of mockery.
Hmmm, yeah, in communion of the sonichus, among which, I am same time fully God, fully (wo)man, and fully sonichu, so dere! Take dat, you decadent Roman heretics!
The mother is a darling. She loves her son so much, she thinks he’s the pope and she’s very proud of him for it. She’s like Peggy Hill or something, with Bobby on a papal throne in the basement.
I actually feel a bit sorry for Michael. His mother is obviously stone crazy. God knows the nonsense she stuffed into his little head when he was a child. Without her baneful influence, he might have been a successful parish priest - and led a happy life. Furthermore, Michael’s father utterly abdicated his responsibility to protect Michael from his mother.
Many things in this video are ridiculous, but the most sinful thing here is that lady putting a frozen chicken (turkey?) into a microwave to defrost it. Just terrible...
I think I've found some symbolism in that, too: much like the turkey being improperly cooked, but served with pride (you'll remember she grilled the acolyte early in the movie about "if he knew how to cook a full dinner properly"), she filled her son with half-baked ideas, he spent an incomplete time in seminary, was "priest" for a woefully short time, then presented himself, lukewarm and frozen in the middle out of the microwave, as the new full and true pope!
Comrade Nikolai in the good old USA 🇺🇸 we take pride in our microwaved Turkeys. Even Eyetalians like me might start using microwaves for homemade lasagna, and manicotti.
@@conzmoleman disparage or deny Him all you want….you will still face Him come Judgement Day. I pray you realize this and repent…but if you choose not to..I do not envy you.
@@deedeedee9310 yeah and santa will put coal in my stocking too 😂 i’ll rot in the ground just like you, but i’m a good person for the sake of being good. why would a loving and just god make us exactly as we are just so we can fuck up and he’d get to torture us forever. even a child would say that sounds fake and stupid.
The smile is not mockery. I'm FAR from Catholicism. I'm not a Christian. But, I just LOVE someone who throws a wrench in the works, as Mike has done!! And if I ever decided to be Catholic, Mike would be my Pope!!! 😁
@@anselman3156 A) Jesus was not a pope. B) We know extremely little about Jesus’ early life, indeed the vast majority of his life. It might be more accurate to hypothesize that both lived in the house of Joseph. It was relatively recently that Social Security, and advances in medicine, made independent living possible for seniors, with a pension. Prior to that, extended families living under the same roof was quite common, probably more the rule than the exception.
Thuc line traditional Catholic Priest not associated w the Novus Ordo anti-Church reached out to Father Dominic,whom Bp.Bawden Ordained,and was told it's an ugly rumor. Pray 10 Hail Mary's for his Soul. Requiescant in Pace.
Apparently he passed today while in Hospice care. Let us pray that he was in a state of sanctifying grace before his passing. I'm curious what the "succession" process is now? will the young man who became a priest will.take his place
There is a new elected Pope from the Philippines, Archbishop Rogelio Martinez and will use the name Pope Michael II. Coronation will be this coming October 28,2023.
@@mudkipx9052 In this day and age, there are probably priest pretenders of the Novus Ordo who have never taken a single course in Latin, in high school or even seminary. A bunch of illiterates.
I'm watching this purely for the entertainment. I pray that they find a real Catholic priest, confess, and rejoin Christ's One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic again. Please pray for all of these poor souls who need Christ!
I come to find out I was ON CAMPUS, a FRESHMAN, when Bawden came to speak at KU. And I MISSED it. God bless Fr. Steve. He could out-tradition the most traditional, and yet when he celebrated Mass in Latin for us students, he did so according to the traditional rubric-the Ordo Missae promulgated in 1969 by Paul VI. May the Lord grant Mr. Bawden eternal rest, and may we all pray for him. Phil's vows are interesting-he did NOT elect a successor last fall. Was he ever ordained? And why are they in English? One thing I cannot abide is the insistence on Latin in liturgy, but an indifference toward the actual function of language. I have never heard a traditionalist outright state, but I can hardly conclude otherwise, that they regard it as something of a magical incantation. Thanks, Adam, for this sensitive take on the man.
I feel so sorry for that nice kid. Why are you wasting your life?! you should have done humanities at uni not engineering, clearly you are more that way inclined.
While the idea that out of about a billion Roman Catholics, six people, three of them related, can form a conclave and elect a Pope (one of them, no less) is quite a far stretch, this is actually a very nice "Pope". Soft-spoken, witty, accessible - what more can you want in a Pope?
Certainly more approachable than any Pope in my lifetime. Rome and the Vatican may be an architectural treasure, but many of the people who inhabit it are probably quite evil. Hearts of stone; scandals of every variety, and on and on. How can this "Pope" get in trouble, living in the middle of nowhere with his mom and one postulant?
@@Mr.mallaer Yes, since otherwise the Popes in Avignon up to Sts Bridget and Catherine urging their return would have been non-Popes - a 70 years' sedevacancy.
This is beyond sad. The false "pope" is not even an ordained priest. I feel especially sad for the young man who wants to be a true priest. One should not make fun of these people as it is really tragic - they seem like sweet yet unstable souls who are just completely delusional. I am mystified at how someone who is not even an ordained priest can have his parents vote for him to be "pope" and think it is all true. The whole thing is depressing when you consider that they really believe it.
Perhaps you didn't know, your not required to be a priest to be Pope. Even a lay man could be elected Pope. That will never happen but it's a fact. I was surprised to learn such.
@@maryprayforus7652 Key word is "Elected" The Pope as Bishop of Rome, must be ordained to all minor orders and all major orders, the priesthood, and the episcopacy, "Pope" Michael wasn't until many years after his supposed election and from doubtful Old Catholic schismatics.
Pope Fabian was elected as a layman then received Holy Orders the following 3 days Bp.Bawden has Utecht Old Catholic,Duarte-Costa, and Greek Orthodox,lines of succession. The Holy Orders are valid Son.
A man who stuck to his convictions. People in the comments may laugh, and of course they do. Was Pope Michael the vicar of Christ? Maybe not, but I dare anyone in the comments to dedicate this much time to something you believe in, instead of following another man/institution and accepting something you know in your heart is false. Sometimes we can learn a lot from someone who the whole world says is crazy. Most men stay silent, for fear of being ridiculed. I'd rather be ridiculed for something I believe in than live with the knowledge that, deep inside... I thought something and didn't say it. It's something this modern Internet age just absolutely DOES NOT understand: integrity. Most people read "integrity" as "being good" or something (thanks, modern education systems.) It means being true to yourself. Many of us are not true to what we believe... we see foolish things going on all the time, and agree in silence because we don't want to be the "odd man out." And a great many more of us don't even think about it. Many people don't even believe anything anymore; we only believe what we've been told by mass media and sites like Twitter. Be very careful the next time you hear someone, or even that little voice inside your head, say "Well everyone knows THAT!" As if everything we hear on the Internet, or in school, or even in church is some received wisdom that we do not have the capability of questioning. If you are truly ignorant, be quiet, but if you've searched for truth and found it, or hear something that sounds false... well, you know what to do. Pope Michael did. I'm not even a Catholic, and I'd rather be him than some doofus who sits on streaming sites, watching someone else play a video game and agreeing with what all the other people there say. Braying like sheep, in a herd.
As an addendum, I look at what the kids call the "ratio" these days: 106k views, and 777 likes. Most of the people who see this video watch it and laugh, "HAHA this guy is CRAZY, EVERYONE KNOWS he's not the pope!" Yet you probably aren't even Christian, and if you are... probably not a Catholic. You wouldn't listen to the "real" pope any more than you would Pope Michael. So why are you letting an institution that you don't believe in, tell you what's what? At least give this man a like for stepping out on his own and having his say. Kinda like how you and your family don't get along anymore, because you're still mad that Dad made you wear nice clothes on Sunday when you were growing up. And maaaaaan, you're an independent thinker now! You think it took guts? Look at this guy, Pope Michael. :-)
@@singvogel7895 Yeah OK, random TH-cam commenter who has probably not had a single conviction in his life other than what he was taught in some textbooks.
Pope Francis has often prayed that he can go into a Roman pizzeria and not be recognized, meanwhile Pope Michael can freely walk into any Cici’s in the nation, Deus laudatus sit!
So the priest who joined moves in with Pope Michael and his mom, and she cooks for them? Doesn't sound like a bad deal. On a side note, Michael seems like a nice guy and his mother seems like a sweetheart. It's hard not to judge. Do I believe he's the Successor of St Peter? No, absolutely not. But do i think he's a bad person? Absolutely not. He seems like a genuinely good guy.
"Just as it is licit to resist a Pontiff who attacks the body, so also is it licit to resist him who attacks souls or destroys the civil order or above all, tries to destroy the Church. I say that it is licit to resist him by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will. It is not licit, however, to judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior." - St. Robert Bellarmine, De Romano Pontifice, II.29, 1588
Philip Hughes He was elected by his parents and friends. I believe there were six in total. To his credit he did not dispute that valid Pope has to be elected by the college of cardinals.
I have to wonder, and I'm trying to understand his position without immediately condemning it, if he's the bishop of Rome, why doesn't he live there? And in his 2nd presentation, one of his slides said, "One Holy Catholic Church". Why leave out the Apostolic part? And also, what ever happened to his dad? Did he die or leave or something?
Brian Goulet Not sure if you found the answer re-his father but yes, he did die. Also, he knows he cannot claim any apostolic succession. This poor fellow, David Bawden is so self deluded.
Same. Pope" Michael is very eccentric, but seems to have a genuine knowledge and intrest in the faith. Personally I feel he should have become a religious brother in a conservative religious community that retains the Latin mass.
I don't have a question but I do have 2 quibbles. They've resulted in a very uncomfortable rash. Do you think that water blessed by Pope Mikey can cure it?
I would like to sympathise. May God give him the grace of conversion if he is wrong. But if he is correct, may God open our eyes to see the truth. Let us pray.
Loooo my ass! He looks like an imbecile if you ask me. Actually this false pope is an arrogant piece of dung. No valid ordination from The Catholic Church. There is only one CATHOLIC Church and it is not his by apostolic succession. He only serves the devil. Poor buffoon..
Honestly Pope Michael explains the doctrine of invincible ignorance well, even if what he means by Catholic Church is erroneous. Many people who reject Vatican II have said I’m going straight to hell lmao
+agni2003 I rec'd a message from a friend of mine which read " Phillip is down South working on poles as a linesman". I got this info. 4 months ago but it wasn't mentioned how long ago Philip (the semanarian) left.
+One Day Eternity Will Come Thanks for the update friend. Where's "papa" getting all the money from to do that? Is it just another one of his dreams? *50 Monks? WOW!!*
+One Day Eternity Will Come Why do you post and then delete after a day or so. It's making you look bad and untrustworthy. Surely you can't be afraid of David Bawden aka Pope Michael. He doesn't know who you are. If you don't want to be shown in the comments, them PM me.
I am actually friends with Pope Michael, & NO, I am not one of his followers. He is a bit, eccentric, yes. But I have had lengthy conversations with him about theology, in the broad general sense, & he is no dummy. I must admit, I'm never disappointed when I talk with him generally about, church history, & theology. I can assure you all that, he is not a total Nut-Ball. At least no more of a nut ball than, the protestant reformers of old. He was apart of the Sede Vacantist movement, meaning, there are a remnant of believing Catholics who feel, the Roman Catholic Church has fallen into what they see as, modernity, secularism, & liberal theology. And they feel part of the cause is, the election of what they percieve as, an antipope, in PM1's case, that antipope would be, JohnXXIII. He was elected by a few other Sedevacantists as they understood, catholic canon allowed under such circumstances. And yes, there are other Sede Vacatist Catholic Sects out there too. There are the Palmarian Catholics for example, & those folks really are freakin nut-jobs in the truest sense. Based my dealings with Pope Michael, he's not a Nut-Job, a Cookey Fanatic, or a Wannbe Cult Leader. He's a man of strong faith who wants to practice his faith the way he honestly feels in his heart that, God is calling him to do. And he has a small following of people who believe, like wise. He did also get himself consecrated a few years back by, an Episcopi Vigante with valid orders that check out. In my opinion, he's no more crazy than, the Eastern Orthodox, or the Anglicans who are also, BTW, not in communion with Rome. BTW, I am an Anglican. & I totally get this man. Now, if anyone is thinking of commenting on this post, try to be mature about it, & keep your bigoted mudslinging to yourself. OK? If I see it, I will just delete it, report is as hate speech, & block you. Personally, i'd rather spend my time doing more constructive things than, engaging in such nonsensical immaturity. OK? Thank you.
He seems like a truly nice person. He is polite, devoted to his mother and not shy of physical labor. From a Catholic perspective, he's a false prophet who is leading people astray, but from a non-Catholic perspective he's a great pope.
MrJohnnyjeyy Nope you cannot put him at the same level as the Eastern Orthodox Church! The difference is between this guy, the Anglicans, and the Eastern Orthodox Churches is that the Eastern Orthodox Churches have valid sacraments despite not being in Communion with Rome. They also have Apostolic Succession unlike the Anglicans and this guy. In Addition, 6 of the Oriental Churches are in communion with Rome. So you see, you can't compare heresies with a valid Church.
For those who think there is something wrong with Michael, I tend to differ. He seems perfectly reasonable in his assertions that the Catholic Church went off the rails with Vatican II. Even the priest at the class discussion, says "Im not going to defend the nonsense of Vatican II", but yet hes still operating as if its totally legit. Michael and especially his Mom are sincere, extremely nice people who have a strong belief that is actually not out of the mainstream, many Catholics have the same issues, they just did something about it. Were Michael a more charismatic person, he might actually have created a movement and a new Catholic Church in the USA. I mean if people give Kenneth Copeland can get people to donate thousands so he can buy a new jet, its not out of the realm of possibility a more energetic Pope Michael could bring about his new church.
Ridiculous. I was born in 1961, and most catholics alive today were born after that and have no memory of Latin liturgy. Since the 15th century, what the pope says goes, so if whoever sits on the papal throne says something is Catholic, it is Catholic. I find the whole belief system to be a total mess and utterly stupid.
@@singvogel7895 Good point, though there are hundreds of thousands of people in groups that claim to be catholic yet reject the Pope since V2, SSPX, SSPX MC, SSPV, CMRI, and various independent sede vancante groups. Bawden is no different from them other than he took the logic ending of seeking an election. Understand I am not saying he is right, just that there is little difference between him and the above mentioned groups.
@@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295 Those groups you mention are as mainstream as the Communist Party. And I agree, he is part and parcel with them (a little fringier than, say, SSPX, and way less scary than Opus Dei).
@___marianguard___ ___ Thank you for the reply I understand now. However, what is the difference between SSPX and SSPX MC? I know very little of the latter.
I would correct you on one point. The priest at the class discussion actually said, “I’m not going to defend the nonsense that happened AFTER Vatican II…”. He didn’t describe the Council itself as being “nonsense”. It’s a very different sentence than the one you quoted, and is somewhat vague, as it doesn’t clarify whether he was talking about Pope Paul’s actions in implementing the Conciliar reforms, or some of the various innovations or alterations that happened in the wake of the Council. His statement could be interpreted in many different ways. I’m not as critical of Vatican II as many discussing this are; indeed, an argument could be made that they didn’t go far enough, but I’m not going to argue that here. I would only say that for those who may be distressed about the Novus Ordo liturgy, there ARE other rites in the Catholic Church, such as those Eastern rites still in communion with Rome, but who have liturgies in other languages, such as Greek, or even, with the Maronites, Syriac (very similar to Aramaic- “Syria” being another name for “Aram”). Indeed, the Maronite liturgy was written by St. John Chrysostom, dating back long before any existing Latin liturgy, as Chrysostom lived in about the late 4th and early 5th Century CE. It’s certainly far older than the old Tridentine liturgy. The reason the Latin rite exists is because, at the time of the founding of the Church in the Western Roman Empire, Latin was the everyday language in the West, while Greek was the language most common in the East. But nobody speaks Latin anymore, as an everyday language, unless you want to use the modern languages into which Latin evolved: Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Romanian. So there is really no need for Latin, other than for scholars, and the reforms of Vatican II had as one of their goals making the understanding of the liturgy being more understandable to the people, by celebrating it in the vernacular. I highly doubt Jesus knew more than a few words of Latin, as his everyday language was Aramaic. He would have known Hebrew, as that was the language of his scriptures (the Old Testament), and he likely would have known Greek, as that was the official language of the Eastern Roman Empire, and it’s the language that Roman officials, like Pilate, would have used in their official capacity in Palestine.
Wow... what a story. It's fascinating to see someone this delusional being so earnest at the same time, especially in the context of a rigid, dogmatic tradition like Catholicism. A lot of love and patience went into making this strange documentary and it really shows! Thank you for making this available to everyone.
I'm an ordained Old Catholic Bishop and the independent sacramental movement is much the same idea. Certainly, as the RC representative suggested, they could be consecrated by an illicit (Old Catholic) Bishop. It is God who looks on the heart, and the man does seem sincere. God is our judge, not man.
I wish people would understand that liking a video means the content is good, not that you don't agree what is being said in the content. This is a great doc subject and well executed. I wish they did some sort of personality analysis of "Pope Michael" to explore what personality disorder he has.
I learned Latin from a native speaker of German, and I also have a masters in German plus was a linguist in the Army, so you do NOT want to hear me pronounce it!
I'd love to have pizza and beer with "Pope" Michael. I think he's a screwball, but he appears quite affable. He's certainly not any crazier than Pope Francis, that's for sure! And he seems like a much nicer person.
Pope Francis is unlikely crazy. Seems like he knows what he is doing, and if that happens to be bad, then he is probably morally responsible for it. Father David AKA Pope Michael was probably a little crazy and obviously not competent to be a Pope even if validly elected in Vatican City.
LOL I feel ya on that, most people will slowly walk away when you start ranting about how fascinating it is that South Vietnam’s president’s brother was a sede bishop
Although he was obviously in error, I must admit that he was genuinely likeable. Unlike many other "claimants" to the throne of Peter, many of whom spew venom, are embroiled in scandals etc... Bawden had this gentle side to him. I pray that God saw his human defects and took them into account when judging him and from the good that Bawden harbored in his heart, God was able to admit him to His eternal kingdom.
For all you people saying you are praying for his salvation, don’t bother. This mans entire life was a prayer and he is in paradise as we speak doing the same thing he did here. Pray for your own ( judgmental, critical, immaculate, perfect, better than others and above others)-soul.
I pray for him like all the dead, as I hope people will do for me when I die. I always couldn't help but like him. God rest you Mike. May He have mercy on those who speak ill of the dead.
Is there any effort underway for another conclave? It's understood that his mother is still alive and I do think he still had a few loosely connected followers beyond the date of documentary. There seems to be a growing interest in him on reddit and in traditionalist circles and some people are trying to track down the seminarians who were connected with him.
@@yvonetubla7682 No. I accept Vatican I. I reject Vatican II. Also, Francis & Benedict XVI (Ratzinger) and the rest of the post-Vatican II Antipopes are the ones who actually reject Vatican 1 and Unam Sanctam, they don’t believe that the Eastern Orthodox nor the Protestants should be converted to Catholicism. Their idolatrous Assisi pray events and Amazon Synods prove they are not of God.
@@deus_vult8111 so you claim that you accept vatican 1 but you don't actually accept vatican 1? you accept the papacy you just don't accept the papacy the way the catholic church sees it you're with the anglicans and orthodox who accept the papacy but change the definition of the papacy
@@deus_vult8111 "i don't reject the papacy or vatican 1 i just reject the person sitting on the papal throne right now" welcome to anglicanism or eastern orthodoxy you do reject vatican 1, you even reject trent saying that there cannot be any changes to the liturgy you reject the visible foundation of the catholic church: the pope
Even if not agree, let us pray for his soul. RIP.
I agree.
I respect that he was a true believer in what he believed and lived modestly, it wasn't a con job.
He will need it since he was a thief and kiddie toucher
That's a big accusation, where's the evidence? @@blazertracer1
@@blazertracer1Are you saying that because he's clergy?
Well, how many people can say that their childhood friend became pope?? My family and the Bawden's were extremely close back in the early to mid 70's; David was a good friend of mine, and we were the first altar boys at the traditional chapel that was started there in Oklahoma City. (Okay, David was officially the first one, then he taught me.) In fact, my father was David's Confirmation sponsor, and Ken Bawden (David's father) was MY Confirmation sponsor, when we received that Sacrament conferred by Archbishop Marcel Lefevbre (prior to his 22 July 1976 supposed-suspension by the Vatican). My family moved away from OKC in the Spring of 1977, about the time David (I believe) went off to the SSPX seminary in Econe, Switzerland. While I had learned of his "election" not long after it happened, it was only very recently that I learned of his passing and discovered this documentary. I had often thought about reaching out to him but honestly, wasn't sure what I could even say at that point. I will choose to remember David as I knew him back then in OKC, and have been praying for the eternal rest of his immortal soul.
lemme get this straight i read your story but your were actually friends with antipope michael
@@beardown851 I was friends with David Bawden when he was a teenager. Anything beyond that point is a complete mystery to me except what I learned second- or third-hand. I knew David, not (Anti-) Pope Michael.
Well at least he can't touch kids anymore
Did you see signs of mental issues looking back on him as a child? His mum mentioned in the documentary him manipulating other children as a child
@@margaretstewart5538 he was a pedo and a grifter and a thief.
this reminds me of The Office.
Is this why he chose the name Michael?
You're welcome. th-cam.com/video/Kmz8ekwFtPA/w-d-xo.html
@@elizabethflood3612 That made my day, thank you!
I was going to say the same thing 😂😂😂..2 years later.
The official institution being Dunder Mifflin and them being the Michael paper Scott Company.
A lot of negative comments, yet I can't help but see the purity in these guys. Matthew 5:8 Blessed are those in pure heart, for they will see God.
Antipopes deserve negative comments
He was certainly in prelest, but you can tell Pope Michael probably had some mental deficiencies. He was certainly a sweet man, and he unquestionably had a good heart, and a deep love of God. I pray God have mercy on him. I hope to meet him in the next life.
Huh?
Dude was a pedophile. Abused his nieces and nephews. Seriously fucked family shit. Absolutely nothing redeeming about him
@@johnyanke7335what about antipope francis
for some reason this documentary makes me want to seriously practise my Catholic faith.
It makes me want to practise your Catholic faith too.
Makes me want to practice Game of Thrones Catholic faith
Maybe one day you can be pope Michael the second lol
Perhaps I could be the 3rd?
It made me renounce it.
I dont wanna critizice this guy but just by looking at him you can tell something is not right ....
Eccentric much ? But lovely hearts.
fake news
Please get this poor man the proper help he so obviously needs!
I think he's trying to do good he's moved by Holy Spirit and obviously the papacy is really messed up you got a criminal in there in the current pope in Rome was a bar bouncer, who betrayed his friends who are there by tortured, and looks even more shady the new whoever you are complaining about. One of the Pope's before him was part one of the Nazi luftwaffe a Nazi pilot. I mean really don't you think your pass is gone a little bit off wack when the Pope's a Nazi. I say give this guy a chance he looks like a good wholesome Farm Boy.
You think?
If any antipope is in Heaven, please let it be this man. I truly believe he was not culpable of schism due to his mental illness. He did what he believed to be right and holy and had the courage to stand up time and time again for it, even if it was false and objectively insane, in the face of mockery.
Amen.😢
He was a lazy pos who used religion to scam and touch kids
The way he talks sounds disturbingly reminiscent of Chris-Chan.
He’s the TRUE and HONEST pope!
Here after Chris Chan made the headlines
lets hope not
Yeah let's hope Pope Michael hasn't been violating his vow of celibacy *that* way.
He's like the Chris-Chan of popes
The TRUE and HONEST pope
Hmmm, yeah, in communion of the sonichus, among which, I am same time fully God, fully (wo)man, and fully sonichu, so dere! Take dat, you decadent Roman heretics!
I’m the real Ecumenical Patriarch, I live in Arkansas and drive a Jeep Cherokee
And I am the Grand Caliph of Branson! Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!
Better than the current one lol
Greek or Russian? (I know there are many others, but which one are you?)
Hmm
You' re not in communion with my patriarchate in Missoula, Montana! 😂
The mother is a darling. She loves her son so much, she thinks he’s the pope and she’s very proud of him for it. She’s like Peggy Hill or something, with Bobby on a papal throne in the basement.
I actually feel a bit sorry for Michael. His mother is obviously stone crazy. God knows the nonsense she stuffed into his little head when he was a child. Without her baneful influence, he might have been a successful parish priest - and led a happy life. Furthermore, Michael’s father utterly abdicated his responsibility to protect Michael from his mother.
His mommy drugged kids so David could touch them.
@@Oldman808Probably would have been happy as a monk in a community that retains the Latin mass, or a FSSP priest.
Many things in this video are ridiculous, but the most sinful thing here is that lady putting a frozen chicken (turkey?) into a microwave to defrost it. Just terrible...
I love your remark!!
*turrible
OMG dead...
I think I've found some symbolism in that, too: much like the turkey being improperly cooked, but served with pride (you'll remember she grilled the acolyte early in the movie about "if he knew how to cook a full dinner properly"), she filled her son with half-baked ideas, he spent an incomplete time in seminary, was "priest" for a woefully short time, then presented himself, lukewarm and frozen in the middle out of the microwave, as the new full and true pope!
Comrade Nikolai in the good old USA 🇺🇸 we take pride in our microwaved Turkeys. Even Eyetalians like me might start using microwaves for homemade lasagna, and manicotti.
Such a strange, sad, wonderful little film. God have mercy.
who is god? you mean santa?
@@conzmoleman Did the world just pop into existence one day?
@@gch8810 i don’t know did it
@@conzmoleman disparage or deny Him all you want….you will still face Him come Judgement Day. I pray you realize this and repent…but if you choose not to..I do not envy you.
@@deedeedee9310 yeah and santa will put coal in my stocking too 😂
i’ll rot in the ground just like you, but i’m a good person for the sake of being good. why would a loving and just god make us exactly as we are just so we can fuck up and he’d get to torture us forever. even a child would say that sounds fake and stupid.
Pope living with his mother! Unprecedented in History. She's the Mama Roma!
The Lord Jesus Christ lived with His Mother.
😊
The smile is not mockery. I'm FAR from Catholicism. I'm not a Christian. But, I just LOVE someone who throws a wrench in the works, as Mike has done!! And if I ever decided to be Catholic, Mike would be my Pope!!! 😁
actually, Pope Paschal I was elected when his mother, Lady Theodora was still alive
@@anselman3156 A) Jesus was not a pope. B) We know extremely little about Jesus’ early life, indeed the vast majority of his life. It might be more accurate to hypothesize that both lived in the house of Joseph. It was relatively recently that Social Security, and advances in medicine, made independent living possible for seniors, with a pension. Prior to that, extended families living under the same roof was quite common, probably more the rule than the exception.
Fun fact: the episode of Jeopardy! they're watching is from October 20, 2009.
Unless it was a repeat
RIP my guy, David Bawden received last rites and was reconciled to the church by his parish priest
Wait what? You got a citation or something?
@@johnyanke7335 news broke yesterday on their official Twitter acc
Thuc line traditional Catholic Priest not associated w the Novus Ordo anti-Church reached out to Father Dominic,whom Bp.Bawden Ordained,and was told it's an ugly rumor. Pray 10 Hail Mary's for his Soul. Requiescant in Pace.
Apparently he passed today while in Hospice care. Let us pray that he was in a state of sanctifying grace before his passing. I'm curious what the "succession" process is now? will the young man who became a priest will.take his place
Apparently Fr.Dominic,Ordained by Bp.Bawden,offered him Confession & Extreme Unction before he died
@@E.C.2 praise God
There is a new elected Pope from the Philippines, Archbishop Rogelio Martinez and will use the name Pope Michael II.
Coronation will be this coming October 28,2023.
hahahaahhaha...and did it happen?@@eLmigotv
Bro this is filmed just like how The Office is filmed and it's hilarious because this is actually real
The Office was a huge show when they filmed this
Stupid fuckin show.
Ummm, yes. Because The Office is filmed like a documentary.
The Latin pronunciation is horrid.
Speeding and slurring through. Terrible.
@@mudkipx9052 In this day and age, there are probably priest pretenders of the Novus Ordo who have never taken a single course in Latin, in high school or even seminary. A bunch of illiterates.
It couldn't be much worse
I'm watching this purely for the entertainment. I pray that they find a real Catholic priest, confess, and rejoin Christ's One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic again. Please pray for all of these poor souls who need Christ!
Jesus is something this poor sod need *less* of.
oh okay they need the much more popular batch of fake made up nonsense. makes sense.
At least we can be pretty hopeful this Pope has never diddled any kids
Inbred papacy.
@@conzmoleman let me guess... you're gay
I come to find out I was ON CAMPUS, a FRESHMAN, when Bawden came to speak at KU. And I MISSED it. God bless Fr. Steve. He could out-tradition the most traditional, and yet when he celebrated Mass in Latin for us students, he did so according to the traditional rubric-the Ordo Missae promulgated in 1969 by Paul VI. May the Lord grant Mr. Bawden eternal rest, and may we all pray for him.
Phil's vows are interesting-he did NOT elect a successor last fall. Was he ever ordained? And why are they in English? One thing I cannot abide is the insistence on Latin in liturgy, but an indifference toward the actual function of language. I have never heard a traditionalist outright state, but I can hardly conclude otherwise, that they regard it as something of a magical incantation.
Thanks, Adam, for this sensitive take on the man.
I'm the real Dalai Lama. I live in Austin, and I love margaritas.
Greetings Mr Dalai.
@@jdepape9645 Actually the Dalai Lama prefers Befeeter gin martinis!
@Carolus Magnus Unhappiness.
Cheers!
Greetings lama!
I feel so sorry for that nice kid. Why are you wasting your life?! you should have done humanities at uni not engineering, clearly you are more that way inclined.
Tbh he's living a fuller life than most
@@samanthastudios618 doubt
He is living his dreams. I support him💪
While the idea that out of about a billion Roman Catholics, six people,
three of them related, can form a conclave and elect a Pope (one of
them, no less) is quite a far stretch, this is actually a very nice
"Pope". Soft-spoken, witty, accessible - what more can you want in a
Pope?
Authority and apostolic succession duuuuuuuuh
The Church of Rome manifested equally bizarre conclaves in the Middle Ages and Renaissance.
Certainly more approachable than any Pope in my lifetime. Rome and the Vatican may be an architectural treasure, but many of the people who inhabit it are probably quite evil. Hearts of stone; scandals of every variety, and on and on. How can this "Pope" get in trouble, living in the middle of nowhere with his mom and one postulant?
What more can you want? Well, sanity might help....
What more can you want?
I never knew that Jesus called Peter to be soft-spoken, witty and accessible to be the rock of the church...
That actual Catholic priest at that talk at KU was opening a can of Catholic Truth on these schismatics.
TraddyGirl62
Schismatic heretics*
Michael Spyridon Schismatic and heretic are one in the same.
TraddyGirl62 He was wrong with the idea that validity of the Pope depends on taking possession of a particular location or a Church.
@@Mr.mallaer Yes, since otherwise the Popes in Avignon up to Sts Bridget and Catherine urging their return would have been non-Popes - a 70 years' sedevacancy.
Hans-Georg Lundahl I am sure if there’s no Pope the Church would be in the process of selecting the new Pope as is the custom when Pope dies.
It's like a mash-up between The Office, King of the Hill, and The Young Pope, all rolled into one.
With Chris Chan being the pope
Sedevacantism is an utter Pandora's box that leads to a dead end.
It’s essentially Protestant theology with a catholic mask.
@@Eilbheis This is not sedevacantism! It is conclavism and all sedevacantists hold it to be ridiculous!
Same Protestant spirit in principle
@オソリオ No, sedevacantism is simply truth. Truth can never be ridiculous. I will say a prayer for you today.
@Antonio Salieri We read the Catechism, cite where it proves sedevacantism wrong.
This is beyond sad. The false "pope" is not even an ordained priest. I feel especially sad for the young man who wants to be a true priest. One should not make fun of these people as it is really tragic - they seem like sweet yet unstable souls who are just completely delusional. I am mystified at how someone who is not even an ordained priest can have his parents vote for him to be "pope" and think it is all true. The whole thing is depressing when you consider that they really believe it.
Perhaps you didn't know, your not required to be a priest to be Pope. Even a lay man could be elected Pope. That will never happen but it's a fact. I was surprised to learn such.
@@maryprayforus7652 Key word is "Elected" The Pope as Bishop of Rome, must be ordained to all minor orders and all major orders, the priesthood, and the episcopacy, "Pope" Michael wasn't until many years after his supposed election and from doubtful Old Catholic schismatics.
Pope Fabian was elected as a layman then received Holy Orders the following 3 days Bp.Bawden has Utecht Old Catholic,Duarte-Costa, and Greek Orthodox,lines of succession. The Holy Orders are valid Son.
A man who stuck to his convictions. People in the comments may laugh, and of course they do. Was Pope Michael the vicar of Christ? Maybe not, but I dare anyone in the comments to dedicate this much time to something you believe in, instead of following another man/institution and accepting something you know in your heart is false.
Sometimes we can learn a lot from someone who the whole world says is crazy. Most men stay silent, for fear of being ridiculed. I'd rather be ridiculed for something I believe in than live with the knowledge that, deep inside... I thought something and didn't say it. It's something this modern Internet age just absolutely DOES NOT understand: integrity.
Most people read "integrity" as "being good" or something (thanks, modern education systems.) It means being true to yourself. Many of us are not true to what we believe... we see foolish things going on all the time, and agree in silence because we don't want to be the "odd man out." And a great many more of us don't even think about it. Many people don't even believe anything anymore; we only believe what we've been told by mass media and sites like Twitter.
Be very careful the next time you hear someone, or even that little voice inside your head, say "Well everyone knows THAT!" As if everything we hear on the Internet, or in school, or even in church is some received wisdom that we do not have the capability of questioning. If you are truly ignorant, be quiet, but if you've searched for truth and found it, or hear something that sounds false... well, you know what to do.
Pope Michael did. I'm not even a Catholic, and I'd rather be him than some doofus who sits on streaming sites, watching someone else play a video game and agreeing with what all the other people there say. Braying like sheep, in a herd.
As an addendum, I look at what the kids call the "ratio" these days: 106k views, and 777 likes. Most of the people who see this video watch it and laugh, "HAHA this guy is CRAZY, EVERYONE KNOWS he's not the pope!" Yet you probably aren't even Christian, and if you are... probably not a Catholic. You wouldn't listen to the "real" pope any more than you would Pope Michael. So why are you letting an institution that you don't believe in, tell you what's what? At least give this man a like for stepping out on his own and having his say.
Kinda like how you and your family don't get along anymore, because you're still mad that Dad made you wear nice clothes on Sunday when you were growing up. And maaaaaan, you're an independent thinker now! You think it took guts? Look at this guy, Pope Michael. :-)
You could say the same about Adolf Hitler. Blinkered mania is NOT a virtue unto itself. This guy was clearly an idiot.
@@singvogel7895 Yeah OK, random TH-cam commenter who has probably not had a single conviction in his life other than what he was taught in some textbooks.
Pope Francis has often prayed that he can go into a Roman pizzeria and not be recognized, meanwhile Pope Michael can freely walk into any Cici’s in the nation, Deus laudatus sit!
Grandma seems pretty worried about who's going to cook, too.
Heresy and sacrilege
So the priest who joined moves in with Pope Michael and his mom, and she cooks for them? Doesn't sound like a bad deal. On a side note, Michael seems like a nice guy and his mother seems like a sweetheart. It's hard not to judge. Do I believe he's the Successor of St Peter? No, absolutely not. But do i think he's a bad person? Absolutely not. He seems like a genuinely good guy.
He died today and his mother forgot to mention the Pope thing in his obituary.
@@andrewfetcho544 Oh man, that makes me sad. How did he pass?
@Andrew Fetcho Hopefully, that's a sign Father David came to his senses before he passed.
He was wearing sweat pants under a cassock. Latae sententiae.
Latin in a Kansan accent is certainly something lol
"Just as it is licit to resist a Pontiff who attacks the body, so also is it licit to resist him who attacks souls or destroys the civil order or above all, tries to destroy the Church. I say that it is licit to resist him by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will. It is not licit, however, to judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior." - St. Robert Bellarmine, De Romano Pontifice, II.29, 1588
At last, a saint for the 40-somethings living in their mama's basement! He, himself said it, "Just simple nonsense." Only in the USA!
Their Latin is horrendous. At least the pronunciation. The Confiteor was ... I don't know what that was.
that's what happens when you can hardly speak english and create your latin circus, I almost laughed if this wasnt too sad already
Elected by who? Not elected by the College of Cardinals.
Exactly what I thought. All this guy is, is a lesser known Martin Luther.
Philip Hughes He was elected by his parents and friends. I believe there were six in total. To his credit he did not dispute that valid Pope has to be elected by the college of cardinals.
Pie Jesu Domine, dona ei requiem sempiternam.
I will always be fascinated by the varieties of human delusion. This one is especially piquant.
This wonderful documentary is sort of a mix of the Papacy and the Beverly Hillbillies show.
You are clearly a poet. I cannot improve on this analogy. Bravo, yer Hölliness!
@@singvogel7895 It's homegrown stuff. But a lot of what he says I actually agree with this. The Church has turned to absolute shit.
If you’re too crazy for the SSPX, then there isn’t much hope for you.
The SSPX isn't crazy at all. Pope Benedict and Francis have shown them much acceptance and praise.
@@samanthastudios618 SSPX are just conservative, it's the CMRI that seems a little out there.
@@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295 CMRI is sedevacantist.
Sure there is. You can join the modern Jesuit order or a similar diocese with a lunatic Bishop.
WHO HERE FROM CATHOHOLICISM
Hola
Peace be with you
It do be a slow day at work
Shall we ask St. Dymphna a favor to help this guy? 🙃
Oy!
I would recommend St. Dymphna to be their patron saint. :-)
Rest in Peace David Bawden
If this dude and Chris-Chan were ever to come into contact with each other the dimensional merge would probably actually happen.
"New Apostles"?? Ummm NO. The end of the Apocalypse (Revelation) 21:14 says there are 12 Apostles.
I have to wonder, and I'm trying to understand his position without immediately condemning it, if he's the bishop of Rome, why doesn't he live there? And in his 2nd presentation, one of his slides said, "One Holy Catholic Church". Why leave out the Apostolic part? And also, what ever happened to his dad? Did he die or leave or something?
Brian Goulet Not sure if you found the answer re-his father but yes, he did die. Also, he knows he cannot claim any apostolic succession. This poor fellow, David Bawden is so self deluded.
He doesn't want to move to Rome-that would mean his mama wouldn't be taking care of him anymore
What a nut! I feel bad his friend. He seems innocent, just lost. Poor guy
Same. Pope" Michael is very eccentric, but seems to have a genuine knowledge and intrest in the faith. Personally I feel he should have become a religious brother in a conservative religious community that retains the Latin mass.
@INFJ Integrity vs Narcissism Exactly, he could have done something useful for the Church.
It would have been so funny to see a long debate between Michael and Pius 13.
when where you ordained and what Seminary did you graduate from? when did the college of Cardinals elect you Pope?
Yes. These are appropriate questions.
I don't have a question but I do have 2 quibbles. They've resulted in a very uncomfortable rash. Do you think that water blessed by Pope Mikey can cure it?
Rest In Peace, Mst Rev. David Bawden aka Pope Michael.
His cassocks are alter boy cassocks. At least get a proper soutane with piping and shoulder cape.
I would like to sympathise.
May God give him the grace of conversion if he is wrong. But if he is correct, may God open our eyes to see the truth.
Let us pray.
I'd say he needs the grace of mental health care, but it sounds like you might as well.
@@singvogel7895 true
pope michael r.i.p ..... now finally rest to the right of the father !!!!!!
@28:23, the one postulant, seminarian, is playing chess while the Supreme Pontiff is talking about internet evangelization. The chess game can wait!
Pope Michael....I am Superman!
Loooo my ass! He looks like an imbecile if you ask me. Actually this false pope is an arrogant piece of dung. No valid ordination from The Catholic Church. There is only one CATHOLIC Church and it is not his by apostolic succession. He only serves the devil. Poor buffoon..
Honestly Pope Michael explains the doctrine of invincible ignorance well, even if what he means by Catholic Church is erroneous. Many people who reject Vatican II have said I’m going straight to hell lmao
This is like a milder version of Chris Chan
He confessed his sins before death before parish catholic priest...
I wonder what happened to the young "seminarian"....
+agni2003 I rec'd a message from a friend of mine which read " Phillip is down South working on poles as a linesman". I got this info. 4 months ago but it wasn't mentioned how long ago Philip (the semanarian) left.
+One Day Eternity Will Come Thanks for the update friend. Where's "papa" getting all the money from to do that? Is it just another one of his dreams? *50 Monks? WOW!!*
*****
I'm really happy for Philip, that he's finally seen the light.
*****
"I believe Pope needs an exorcism". I agree with you 100%.
+One Day Eternity Will Come Why do you post and then delete after a day or so. It's making you look bad and untrustworthy. Surely you can't be afraid of David Bawden aka Pope Michael. He doesn't know who you are. If you don't want to be shown in the comments, them PM me.
Jesus said “you gotta be a good cook”
When the mom was ragging on that kid about being a good cook after microwaving that turkey looking thing I lol'd
@@dasdiesel3000 I hope you start microwaving your Thanksgiving Turkey 🦃, and Christmas Goose 🎄
I like how the priest during the presentation says I'm not going to defend the nonsense of Vatican II...then proceeds to defend it.
I am actually friends with Pope Michael, & NO, I am not one of his followers.
He is a bit, eccentric, yes. But I have had lengthy conversations with him about theology, in the broad general sense, & he is no dummy.
I must admit, I'm never disappointed when I talk with him generally about, church history, & theology.
I can assure you all that, he is not a total Nut-Ball.
At least no more of a nut ball than, the protestant reformers of old.
He was apart of the Sede Vacantist movement, meaning, there are a remnant of believing Catholics who feel, the Roman Catholic Church has fallen into what they see as, modernity, secularism, & liberal theology.
And they feel part of the cause is, the election of what they percieve as, an antipope, in PM1's case, that antipope would be, JohnXXIII.
He was elected by a few other Sedevacantists as they understood, catholic canon allowed under such circumstances.
And yes, there are other Sede Vacatist Catholic Sects out there too.
There are the Palmarian Catholics for example, & those folks really are freakin nut-jobs in the truest sense.
Based my dealings with Pope Michael, he's not a Nut-Job, a Cookey Fanatic, or a Wannbe Cult Leader.
He's a man of strong faith who wants to practice his faith the way he honestly feels in his heart that, God is calling him to do.
And he has a small following of people who believe, like wise.
He did also get himself consecrated a few years back by, an Episcopi Vigante with valid orders that check out.
In my opinion, he's no more crazy than, the Eastern Orthodox, or the Anglicans who are also, BTW, not in communion with Rome.
BTW, I am an Anglican. & I totally get this man.
Now, if anyone is thinking of commenting on this post, try to be mature about it, & keep your bigoted mudslinging to yourself.
OK?
If I see it, I will just delete it, report is as hate speech, & block you.
Personally, i'd rather spend my time doing more constructive things than, engaging in such nonsensical immaturity. OK?
Thank you.
He seems like a truly nice person. He is polite, devoted to his mother and not shy of physical labor. From a Catholic perspective, he's a false prophet who is leading people astray, but from a non-Catholic perspective he's a great pope.
MrJohnnyjeyy Nope you cannot put him at the same level as the Eastern Orthodox Church! The difference is between this guy, the Anglicans, and the Eastern Orthodox Churches is that the Eastern Orthodox Churches have valid sacraments despite not being in Communion with Rome. They also have Apostolic Succession unlike the Anglicans and this guy. In Addition, 6 of the Oriental Churches are in communion with Rome. So you see, you can't compare heresies with a valid Church.
You crazy, baby. There is nothing legit about this dude
Have you talked to him about specific theological matters? It's just you keep stressing general so I am curious.
I know him as well and he is a nice man. He knows his theology
Yee haw! Habemus papam, y'all!
FABULOUS comment!
Howdy y'all! To celebrate the election, send one hundred US dollars and we'll send y'all absolutely free: six hot dawgs and a plenary indulgence ;)
@@urbanviii6557 Are you really Pope Urban?
How very sad. Saints John Paul II and John XXIII pray for us (and them)
They burn in hell as they were public heretics, but you do you.
My fav part is when the guy is just playing online chess in the background
Grandma needs to clean up the house a bit...I mean the papal apartment needs some help...
Poor 'Pope Michael'. Let us pray for him. He was a casualty of today's crisis in the Church.
R.I.P. Pope Michael
For those who think there is something wrong with Michael, I tend to differ. He seems perfectly reasonable in his assertions that the Catholic Church went off the rails with Vatican II. Even the priest at the class discussion, says "Im not going to defend the nonsense of Vatican II", but yet hes still operating as if its totally legit. Michael and especially his Mom are sincere, extremely nice people who have a strong belief that is actually not out of the mainstream, many Catholics have the same issues, they just did something about it. Were Michael a more charismatic person, he might actually have created a movement and a new Catholic Church in the USA. I mean if people give Kenneth Copeland can get people to donate thousands so he can buy a new jet, its not out of the realm of possibility a more energetic Pope Michael could bring about his new church.
Ridiculous. I was born in 1961, and most catholics alive today were born after that and have no memory of Latin liturgy. Since the 15th century, what the pope says goes, so if whoever sits on the papal throne says something is Catholic, it is Catholic. I find the whole belief system to be a total mess and utterly stupid.
@@singvogel7895 Good point, though there are hundreds of thousands of people in groups that claim to be catholic yet reject the Pope since V2, SSPX, SSPX MC, SSPV, CMRI, and various independent sede vancante groups. Bawden is no different from them other than he took the logic ending of seeking an election. Understand I am not saying he is right, just that there is little difference between him and the above mentioned groups.
@@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295 Those groups you mention are as mainstream as the Communist Party. And I agree, he is part and parcel with them (a little fringier than, say, SSPX, and way less scary than Opus Dei).
@___marianguard___ ___ Thank you for the reply I understand now. However, what is the difference between SSPX and SSPX MC? I know very little of the latter.
I would correct you on one point. The priest at the class discussion actually said, “I’m not going to defend the nonsense that happened AFTER Vatican II…”. He didn’t describe the Council itself as being “nonsense”. It’s a very different sentence than the one you quoted, and is somewhat vague, as it doesn’t clarify whether he was talking about Pope Paul’s actions in implementing the Conciliar reforms, or some of the various innovations or alterations that happened in the wake of the Council. His statement could be interpreted in many different ways.
I’m not as critical of Vatican II as many discussing this are; indeed, an argument could be made that they didn’t go far enough, but I’m not going to argue that here.
I would only say that for those who may be distressed about the Novus Ordo liturgy, there ARE other rites in the Catholic Church, such as those Eastern rites still in communion with Rome, but who have liturgies in other languages, such as Greek, or even, with the Maronites, Syriac (very similar to Aramaic- “Syria” being another name for “Aram”).
Indeed, the Maronite liturgy was written by St. John Chrysostom, dating back long before any existing Latin liturgy, as Chrysostom lived in about the late 4th and early 5th Century CE. It’s certainly far older than the old Tridentine liturgy.
The reason the Latin rite exists is because, at the time of the founding of the Church in the Western Roman Empire, Latin was the everyday language in the West, while Greek was the language most common in the East. But nobody speaks Latin anymore, as an everyday language, unless you want to use the modern languages into which Latin evolved: Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Romanian.
So there is really no need for Latin, other than for scholars, and the reforms of Vatican II had as one of their goals making the understanding of the liturgy being more understandable to the people, by celebrating it in the vernacular.
I highly doubt Jesus knew more than a few words of Latin, as his everyday language was Aramaic. He would have known Hebrew, as that was the language of his scriptures (the Old Testament), and he likely would have known Greek, as that was the official language of the Eastern Roman Empire, and it’s the language that Roman officials, like Pilate, would have used in their official capacity in Palestine.
Wow... what a story. It's fascinating to see someone this delusional being so earnest at the same time, especially in the context of a rigid, dogmatic tradition like Catholicism. A lot of love and patience went into making this strange documentary and it really shows! Thank you for making this available to everyone.
Can I be a pope too?
you do realize that only the college of cardinals can elect a Pope? don't you?
CiCi's in Lawrence. it's weird recognizing places in this doc
This is an insane man. Stop vilifying my Church and my Pope. This is Blasphemy and Heresy. TAKE OF THAT ROBE! How dare you wear that Demon!!!
+PsychoNinja101 wow how unappropriate and how sad for some people to unsatify an institution that has been around for centuries
+Errol Smith lol how could you possibly see this guy as a threat to one of the most ancient and powerful institutions on the planet?
It’s a cassock
Correction it's a cheap, ill-fitting cassock. Your the Pope! For Heaven's Sakes Dress like it!
I'm an ordained Old Catholic Bishop and the independent sacramental movement is much the same idea. Certainly, as the RC representative suggested, they could be consecrated by an illicit (Old Catholic) Bishop. It is God who looks on the heart, and the man does seem sincere. God is our judge, not man.
Rip Pope Michael
What happened to seminarian Phil?
maybe he's the new pope (?)
As far as my research goes, he was still part of Bawden's church as of 2019, but no further information exists.
I think he is 'youtube' pope! isnt he?
this dudes evidence for being pope “trust me bro”
the most unexciting heretical documentary i have ever watched. the demons aren't even interested in the fake church i guess.
Michael renounced his apostacy on his death bed and was received by a diocesan priest. God give peace to this man his journey has ended
Who was the priest
It's not true,just an ugly rumor.
Kyle F - I don't believe that for a second.
I wish people would understand that liking a video means the content is good, not that you don't agree what is being said in the content. This is a great doc subject and well executed. I wish they did some sort of personality analysis of "Pope Michael" to explore what personality disorder he has.
He's just some dope. Stop trying to medicalize everything.
Exactly.
It is herritical, very sad. Father Micheal does need prayer as well as Pope Francis for their conversion
Cici's is the way to salvation.
If he truly wants to be a Priest, he should join the SSPV in Round Top New York.
After watching this video for about 12 seconds I thought: "He probably lives with his mother."
David touches kids and his mom would drug the kids for him.
There is simply nothing worse sounding than poorly pronounced latin in an American accent...
Try listening to the Latin as pronounced by the late Cardinal McCormick of Boston.
I learned Latin from a native speaker of German, and I also have a masters in German plus was a linguist in the Army, so you do NOT want to hear me pronounce it!
I'd love to have pizza and beer with "Pope" Michael. I think he's a screwball, but he appears quite affable. He's certainly not any crazier than Pope Francis, that's for sure! And he seems like a much nicer person.
he has a habit of accepting friend requests on facebook. heard he's a nice guy. hoping he accepts mine
What's your beef with the coolest pope of all time, Francis?
@@iburl He is a modernist, liberal, who at the very least espouses heresies privately.
Pope Francis is unlikely crazy. Seems like he knows what he is doing, and if that happens to be bad, then he is probably morally responsible for it. Father David AKA Pope Michael was probably a little crazy and obviously not competent to be a Pope even if validly elected in Vatican City.
This is so insane and hilarious. The fact I know about Pope Michael, the resistance, Thuc lineage, etc. is the reason I’ll never have a gf
lol
LOL I feel ya on that, most people will slowly walk away when you start ranting about how fascinating it is that South Vietnam’s president’s brother was a sede bishop
Bp.Bawden had Utrecht Old Catholic Duarte-Costa and Greek Orthodox lines of succession. He was not a Thuc line Bishop.
I find kind of pathatic. That poor "seminarian"...i wonder what happend to him?
@@brianrichardcohn2159 Maybe an independent professional Wrastler.
Although he was obviously in error, I must admit that he was genuinely likeable. Unlike many other "claimants" to the throne of Peter, many of whom spew venom, are embroiled in scandals etc... Bawden had this gentle side to him.
I pray that God saw his human defects and took them into account when judging him and from the good that Bawden harbored in his heart, God was able to admit him to His eternal kingdom.
For all you people saying you are praying for his salvation, don’t bother. This mans entire life was a prayer and he is in paradise as we speak doing the same thing he did here.
Pray for your own ( judgmental, critical, immaculate, perfect, better than others and above others)-soul.
I pray for him like all the dead, as I hope people will do for me when I die. I always couldn't help but like him. God rest you Mike. May He have mercy on those who speak ill of the dead.
@@claymcdermott718 NOT praying for the dead is one thing that distinguishes Abrahamic religions from all others.
He touched kids
Is there any effort underway for another conclave? It's understood that his mother is still alive and I do think he still had a few loosely connected followers beyond the date of documentary. There seems to be a growing interest in him on reddit and in traditionalist circles and some people are trying to track down the seminarians who were connected with him.
I'm waiting for his church to choose a successor. I haven't heard anything.
As a student of human delusion, I find you people utterly fascinating.
They elected one a few days ago. Some bishop in the Philippines, who has taken the name "Michael II".
LOVED LOVE LOVED the score!!!
How beautiful, the truth will set you free
He’s more of a “pope” than Francis Bergoglio tbh.
so you reject vatican 1 and you're an old catholic?
@@yvonetubla7682 No. I accept Vatican I. I reject Vatican II. Also, Francis & Benedict XVI (Ratzinger) and the rest of the post-Vatican II Antipopes are the ones who actually reject Vatican 1 and Unam Sanctam, they don’t believe that the Eastern Orthodox nor the Protestants should be converted to Catholicism. Their idolatrous Assisi pray events and Amazon Synods prove they are not of God.
@@deus_vult8111 so you claim that you accept vatican 1 but you don't actually accept vatican 1?
you accept the papacy you just don't accept the papacy the way the catholic church sees it you're with the anglicans and orthodox who accept the papacy but change the definition of the papacy
@@yvonetubla7682 No. did you not just read what I said? I said I believe in Vatican I, but I reject Vatican II. Didn’t you see that? ^
@@deus_vult8111 "i don't reject the papacy or vatican 1 i just reject the person sitting on the papal throne right now"
welcome to anglicanism or eastern orthodoxy
you do reject vatican 1, you even reject trent saying that there cannot be any changes to the liturgy you reject the visible foundation of the catholic church: the pope
Pope Michael is the one true Pope God told me while i was smoking the divine sacrament marijuana
+Steve Allan LOL
hahahahahahaha
absurd but funny... a pot revelation of one true poop