I think that day is almost here. I mean popping Moment lenses on newer iPhones has been making photos virtually indistinguishable from DSLR’s to the layman for years now. My friend even takes gorgeous Astro-photography through a telescope that connects to her iPhone camera 📸
Nice video James! ProRAW brings the heat with detail and exposure but still lags behind large sensors in colors. Your tunnel example was a great showcase of this. The scene at the end of the tunnel looked more vibrant on the full frame. I see a similar hybrid world where large sensor cameras are still relevant but it will be a smaller playing field with camera companies that adopted computational photography techniques.
Supreet! Thanks so much, man! I agree on the capabilities of the sensors...the edge is clearly still with the full frame for the whole package, but the AI and CP is catching up FAST! How's the vid-life??? You've got some great ones recently! ✌
@@JamesLavish No problem! Vid-life is good! There has been a ton to cover just on ProRAW. We should connect sometime - message me on Twitter or email! ✌🏼
It's physics, professional camera got bigger sensor and better lenses, so I'm not surprised if it takes better images overall. But man, this computational photography really pushes this thing further. It's not that much of a difference if you compared with the pro camera images. Makes people prefer to use the phone more instead of the camera. It's smaller, lighter, and efficient. You can edit directly on the phone itself. I think with bigger sensor, better lenses, and more advanced computational photography, phone camera will replace pro camera, if the camera company don't do anything about it. Great video man, got subbed.
Thanks so much Egha, I really appreciate that. And yeah, I’m pretty amazed myself and stoked to use this whenever I don’t have my camera with me. It’s super capable. That AI (wow)!
The iPhone has a higher dynamic range vs the Xperia, no surprise, with the embedded AI and instant stacking of exposures to make a single shot...but that does not mean the Xperia doesn't hold its own. As we've seen some of my other videos, you can get some awesome photos with these Sony Xperia sensors...
I love your video's James, I struggled to choose between the 12 pro max and the Xperia 1 II and went with the Xperia, your videos about the phones helped a lot and I like the Sony approach a bit more and the fact it also has a headphone jack is a 👍
I find it interesting that on many of the shots you took on the iPhone it comes pretty darn close to the Sony digital camera you were talking about. And in a couple of photos it actually looks better than the Sony like for example the tunnel. That’s what help me decide to buy this phone because it’s more than enough for me that I don’t have to take the bigger camera with me everywhere I go. Great job keep up the good work
Thanks so much Richard, super appreciated! And that's exactly why so many pros have the iPhone in their pocket. Makes it super easy to grab a quick, solid photo (even better than with the big frame cameras, sometimes, yes..that crazy AI!) and not have to carry around a camera every single place/event they go to..
I agree, AI is the future now. I do believe cameras will evolve further with it. Great video btw, amazing to see what a phone are capable of with just a small camera.
The low amount of noise it really impressive. I personally think it might be a bit too agressive, but it is better than the amount of noise from previous phones' raw files
@@JamesLavish Sometimes I wonder what you could do if you combined this sort of automated computational photography, with a professional dedicated camera. It's really impressive what they can do with something so small.
This is an amazing tutorial!!’ I am going to see how far I can push my 11pro I don’t believe think DSLRS will be replaced, but I see room for improvement over bulky cameras and lenses. With all this technology, there must be a way to scale down the size of those huge lenses and heavy cameras to make it easier for the average person to utilize them
I think that is exactly the plan. Make it super simple to access great photography with the device that is always on you! You can shoot RAW on the 11, you'll just need a third party app like Halide...FYI!
I have the pro max and also z6 with G lenses. Planning to sell my z6. Most of the time the z6 with its lenses are keot safetly at home. 95% of the time I am taking pictures with my iphone.
The presets on the whites, blacks and clarity sliders is also present on any phone that takes a DNG shot via the built in camera of the Adobe Lightroom app. I think it might be more so an Adobe thing, but I am not sure.
PLEASE , TEST THE GALAXY NOTE 20 ULTRA AND THE HUAWEI MATE 40 PRO , they are amazing at photography. The Note has 108MP big sensor and 5x optical zoom, and the Huawei is amazing at HDR
Though I have neither of those phones, I have seen the Huawei Mate 40 at CES and it's seriously impressive. Don't fall for the 108MP sensor marketing, though. It is the size of the sensor and size of the pixels that matters...108MP means nothing with such small pixels to fit on that sensor. The 12MP Google Cameras blow that out of the water... IMO!!! If I get the chance I will test either one though!
I disagree with the Samsung being better than the iPhone I have owned both brands and just like the host on this video said 108 megapixels is overrated. If you like android the Google pixel is way better than any Samsung I have seen. But I agree with James The iPhone and the Google pixel blows Samsung phones out of the water leaps and bounds
The 12 Pro Max main sensor is almost 50% larger than the 12 Pro, so that will definitely impact quality, yes. Also, the 12 Pro Max has 4 axis stabilization for better autofocus and video stabilization!
I really think camera companies have taken these notes. Look at what SONY and Canon have been fighting each other with: HDR performance. That's the newest in computational photography, SONY even matching some of their lower grade cinema cameras with the A7Siii
I agree that it has started but they are WAY behind, IMO and the controls are just so difficult on the larger cameras. It intimidates new users and they are losing the enthusiasts to the iPhones and Samsungs, etc, as a result. I believe we are headed for some awesome innovation either way...
I do shoot video from my iPhone 12 pro but whenever i do transfer videos to my computer unfortunately i get compromise on colors and get very poor colours on computer screen , now I am unable to understand why is it so !? kindly help me out ! @james lavish
@@JamesLavish I was referring to the HDR stack. In a long exposure (via 3. party app) you lose the advantage of computational photography. You make it seem as if HDR compositing can replace a high DR sensor. But that only works for very short exposures. Or does it also perform frame-averaging long exposure simulation?
@@fto5935 I see, yes that's an excellent point. And no I am not aware of the ability to get ProRAW with a third party app yet...but if you put an ND filter on, you would effectively trick the sensor into a longer exposure, so you it can be done but without total control, as you say. And no, the sensor is still too small to fully compete with the full frame sensors (as you saw) but software is becoming super powerful in these phones and pushing camera makers to innovate (see the Sony a1 announced yesterday...)
@@JamesLavish You don't get it. The HDR won't be available with long exposures. So if you could trick the iphone into long exposures you would automaticaly trick it out of the HDR mode. The stack excludes by principle any photo with motion blur.
The comparison is strange 😉 You compare shoots in bracket mode of the iPhone with single shots of the Sony. If you put the Sony in bracket mode you get a dynamic range the iPhone cannot compete with. Iphone for travel and ebay. The pro camera for anything else ☺️
Hey Foxy Pete, that was kind of the point, you would have to bracket and process each shot out of the Sony for similar dynamic range of the iPhone. If you do that, the Sony still crushes the iPhone because of the full frame sensor. But like you just said, convenience for trips, travel, family, etc. is great with the iPhone for those of us who want to take some photos without having to process even more than we already do!
Cannot believe the view count! Exceptional content mate, please carry on. Definitely the most up and coming channel out there! Thanks for the content !
Great question. The 12 series has a little bit better performance in the ultra-wide lens, a bigger sensor, and LiDar laser for depth of field mapping and low light focusing. The HDR is improved also, among a few other things. But honestly, the 11 is still a fantastic phone for photography and if you are mainly using the main lens and video with controlled lighting, you would not see a difference, IMO!
The sensor is way bigger and more capable, for sure, but the software is lacking vs iPhone. Makes me excited to see Sony's future, though...especially with their push into the phone market again this year with the Xperia 1ii...
All that R&D that goes into this tech, and I'd bet that hardly anybody who buys an iPhone is going to spend any time in lightroom, most of the time they'll be looking at 2x2inch snaps on instagram. You choose iOS because you like the dumbed-down experience. My Canon DSLR I bought a couple of years ago has an HDR mode, where it stacks 3 images together - albeit nowhere near as fast as the iPhone and in jpeg, but it gets pretty good results when pointing an shooting, so it is kind of out there already. Apple do have a habit of 'inventing' technology that has been around for years though, their marketing department is very very clever.
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Great comparison! I think AI in full frame cameras may upset the purists, just like the switch from film to digital. If AI can push the iPhone to these levels, just imagine what it can do with a full frame!
Exactly, Mike, I wonder if we end up with Full AI Sony, etc line, as well as a "purist" line, making for more of an experience like Fuji does...(which I love, BTW, as well!). And thank you, I appreciate it very much!
I had a brainwave about the problems regular old cameras may face with the impending doom of AI. Just kidding, but Google's HDR+ from 5 years ago opened my eyes to the potential of computational photography. If camera makers do not keep up (and I think they are at least 3 years behind), I do not see a reason to buy expensive cameras and lenses for anybody but the advanced/professional photographers.
@@JamesLavish I bought a used Xiaomi MI MIX 2S for $140 and with GCam it never ceases to amaze me what you can achieve with such small sensors. I literally have no need for anything "higher end" than this for regular use. I only miss an ultrawide lens but make do with what I got.
That sounds like a great combo! Yep, I will use my full frame for special shots and commercial work, of course, but the phone is with me everywhere! Once we have social gatherings again, no need to bring the big setup anymore!
Is computational photography going to overtake the camera world someday soon? What do YOU think???
AI is hard to fight. The good new is both are great and the drive to be the best is going to make both even better for the consumer. win/win.
@@VickiPetterssonAuthor Win/Win, I like that!
I think that day is almost here. I mean popping Moment lenses on newer iPhones has been making photos virtually indistinguishable from DSLR’s to the layman for years now. My friend even takes gorgeous Astro-photography through a telescope that connects to her iPhone camera 📸
Stick a phone into a camera.
Good morning, which Iphone are you using? Talking over android Universe, which phone aproach the iphone snap prowess other than a pixel?
You make some incredible content mate! Keep on going
Thanks a ton, Mustafa, I really appreciate that! 🙏✌
Could you make a video comparing Raw images from Xperia 1 ii/ 5 ii and Apple ProRAW
This video is incredible, you deserve way more views and subscribers
Thanks so much, Sang, I really appreciate that!🙏✌
Awesome video and breakdown! Do you personally use just the native camera app when shooting with the iPhone or do you prefer something else?
Thanks!
Nice video James! ProRAW brings the heat with detail and exposure but still lags behind large sensors in colors. Your tunnel example was a great showcase of this. The scene at the end of the tunnel looked more vibrant on the full frame. I see a similar hybrid world where large sensor cameras are still relevant but it will be a smaller playing field with camera companies that adopted computational photography techniques.
Supreet! Thanks so much, man! I agree on the capabilities of the sensors...the edge is clearly still with the full frame for the whole package, but the AI and CP is catching up FAST! How's the vid-life??? You've got some great ones recently! ✌
@@JamesLavish No problem! Vid-life is good! There has been a ton to cover just on ProRAW. We should connect sometime - message me on Twitter or email! ✌🏼
It's physics, professional camera got bigger sensor and better lenses, so I'm not surprised if it takes better images overall.
But man, this computational photography really pushes this thing further. It's not that much of a difference if you compared with the pro camera images. Makes people prefer to use the phone more instead of the camera.
It's smaller, lighter, and efficient. You can edit directly on the phone itself. I think with bigger sensor, better lenses, and more advanced computational photography, phone camera will replace pro camera, if the camera company don't do anything about it.
Great video man, got subbed.
Thanks so much Egha, I really appreciate that. And yeah, I’m pretty amazed myself and stoked to use this whenever I don’t have my camera with me. It’s super capable. That AI (wow)!
How does ProRAW compare to just normal RAW files from Sony xperia 1 II or 5 II?
The iPhone has a higher dynamic range vs the Xperia, no surprise, with the embedded AI and instant stacking of exposures to make a single shot...but that does not mean the Xperia doesn't hold its own. As we've seen some of my other videos, you can get some awesome photos with these Sony Xperia sensors...
Totally agreed !
Great video ! 👏🏽👏🏽
What's the color bit depth in those raw files from the iphone?
Which iphone app do you recommend to edit proraw files on iPhone ?
I love your video's James, I struggled to choose between the 12 pro max and the Xperia 1 II and went with the Xperia, your videos about the phones helped a lot and I like the Sony approach a bit more and the fact it also has a headphone jack is a 👍
Thanks Alex, so happy the videos helped! 🙏✌
Headphone jack in 2021? If I need a headphone jack my iPhone 6 does the trick.
Great video sir and ur opinions and predictions on future computational photography was amazing and as u said camera companies should figure out 😉
Thank you Arun, I can't wait to see where we go on all this! 😉✌
I find it interesting that on many of the shots you took on the iPhone it comes pretty darn close to the Sony digital camera you were talking about. And in a couple of photos it actually looks better than the Sony like for example the tunnel. That’s what help me decide to buy this phone because it’s more than enough for me that I don’t have to take the bigger camera with me everywhere I go. Great job keep up the good work
Thanks so much Richard, super appreciated! And that's exactly why so many pros have the iPhone in their pocket. Makes it super easy to grab a quick, solid photo (even better than with the big frame cameras, sometimes, yes..that crazy AI!) and not have to carry around a camera every single place/event they go to..
Very helpful video. Good production!
Thanks Stephen, I appreciate that!
Excellent end up story, worth the follow
Thanks so much Pedro, I sincerely appreciate that!🙏
Can you still use deep Fusion without Raw?
Absolutely.
Does the proraw mode can be use only iPhone 12 or any model also can?
Right now it is only the 12 Pro series.
@@JamesLavish i see, thank you.
I agree, AI is the future now. I do believe cameras will evolve further with it. Great video btw, amazing to see what a phone are capable of with just a small camera.
Thanks Dani, I really appreciate that and the comment! Keep on! 🙏✌
The low amount of noise it really impressive. I personally think it might be a bit too agressive, but it is better than the amount of noise from previous phones' raw files
Agreed, but hey, these are tiny sensors, right?...pretty amazing to me!
@@JamesLavish Sometimes I wonder what you could do if you combined this sort of automated computational photography, with a professional dedicated camera. It's really impressive what they can do with something so small.
Exactly, I agree!
This is an amazing tutorial!!’ I am going to see how far I can push my 11pro
I don’t believe think DSLRS will be replaced, but I see room for improvement over bulky cameras and lenses. With all this technology, there must be a way to scale down the size of those huge lenses and heavy cameras to make it easier for the average person to utilize them
I think that is exactly the plan. Make it super simple to access great photography with the device that is always on you! You can shoot RAW on the 11, you'll just need a third party app like Halide...FYI!
Iphone 12 pro raw vs sony xperia 1ii raw which one is good?
The Xperia 1ii RAW is fantastic with that Photo Pro control, but the iPhone 12 ProRAW really is next level.
The kind of content that internet deserves 👌👌
Thanks so much Divyadeep! I really appreciate that.🙏🙏
Pretty impressive how much information it can gather. Seriously flat for a pro-standard camera.
Right? Amazing for these little sensors and lenses! Thanks Zandt!
Awesome review
Thanks so much Ari, I really appreciate that!
I have the pro max and also z6 with G lenses.
Planning to sell my z6. Most of the time the z6 with its lenses are keot safetly at home.
95% of the time I am taking pictures with my iphone.
This is not unusual these days. The phones are so good and super convenient!
Nice video . Good explanation.
Thanks Siva!
The presets on the whites, blacks and clarity sliders is also present on any phone that takes a DNG shot via the built in camera of the Adobe Lightroom app. I think it might be more so an Adobe thing, but I am not sure.
Ah, great to know, thank you!
PLEASE , TEST THE GALAXY NOTE 20 ULTRA AND THE HUAWEI MATE 40 PRO , they are amazing at photography. The Note has 108MP big sensor and 5x optical zoom, and the Huawei is amazing at HDR
Though I have neither of those phones, I have seen the Huawei Mate 40 at CES and it's seriously impressive. Don't fall for the 108MP sensor marketing, though. It is the size of the sensor and size of the pixels that matters...108MP means nothing with such small pixels to fit on that sensor. The 12MP Google Cameras blow that out of the water... IMO!!! If I get the chance I will test either one though!
I disagree with the Samsung being better than the iPhone I have owned both brands and just like the host on this video said 108 megapixels is overrated. If you like android the Google pixel is way better than any Samsung I have seen. But I agree with James The iPhone and the Google pixel blows Samsung phones out of the water leaps and bounds
Will an iPhone 12 pro MAX sensor give better results than iPhone 12 pro?
The 12 Pro Max main sensor is almost 50% larger than the 12 Pro, so that will definitely impact quality, yes. Also, the 12 Pro Max has 4 axis stabilization for better autofocus and video stabilization!
How to get apple pro raw image on computer?
You can either use Airdrop or save into a cloud folder like iCloud, Google Drive, Dropbox and retrieve them that way...
So finally !! I found the legend.
Haha, thanks! 🙏✌
How about a Apple ProRAW vs Xperia RAW.. The amount of creative control and which one helps photographers get the most of what they want
True, and that is something I will test, as well! This video just got sooooo long ... 😉✌
@@JamesLavish Ps : I got the Xperia mark II already.. 😅 So don't make me feel bad 😂😂
@@karan6398 Haha! I still have mine, also a great phone/camera for different reasons!!😉✌️
I really think camera companies have taken these notes. Look at what SONY and Canon have been fighting each other with: HDR performance. That's the newest in computational photography, SONY even matching some of their lower grade cinema cameras with the A7Siii
I agree that it has started but they are WAY behind, IMO and the controls are just so difficult on the larger cameras. It intimidates new users and they are losing the enthusiasts to the iPhones and Samsungs, etc, as a result. I believe we are headed for some awesome innovation either way...
iPhone is the futur -- and the futur is NOW !
Great video
Thanks Santiago!
Will I get it as New year gift
Nice!
I didn't use apple on before in my life...so It's like dream for me...if you have born in India,you can realise me❤️..
Ah yes, I understand. You will love it!
@@NaanIla why don't u go for iPhone 7 or any second hand iphone, rather than crying here.
@@sidarya31 you're not understanding bro...I want to get married with a girl who's not getting married already..
I do shoot video from my iPhone 12 pro but whenever i do transfer videos to my computer unfortunately i get compromise on colors and get very poor colours on computer screen , now I am unable to understand why is it so !? kindly help me out ! @james lavish
Doesn't this outrule long exposures?
That would make it useless for landscape photographers.
You can use third party software for manual modes...and add an ND filter (with the right camera case) and this can be done.
@@JamesLavish
I was referring to the HDR stack. In a long exposure (via 3. party app) you lose the advantage of computational photography. You make it seem as if HDR compositing can replace a high DR sensor. But that only works for very short exposures. Or does it also perform frame-averaging long exposure simulation?
@@fto5935 I see, yes that's an excellent point. And no I am not aware of the ability to get ProRAW with a third party app yet...but if you put an ND filter on, you would effectively trick the sensor into a longer exposure, so you it can be done but without total control, as you say. And no, the sensor is still too small to fully compete with the full frame sensors (as you saw) but software is becoming super powerful in these phones and pushing camera makers to innovate (see the Sony a1 announced yesterday...)
@@JamesLavish
You don't get it. The HDR won't be available with long exposures. So if you could trick the iphone into long exposures you would automaticaly trick it out of the HDR mode. The stack excludes by principle any photo with motion blur.
The comparison is strange 😉 You compare shoots in bracket mode of the iPhone with single shots of the Sony.
If you put the Sony in bracket mode you get a dynamic range the iPhone cannot compete with.
Iphone for travel and ebay. The pro camera for anything else ☺️
Hey Foxy Pete, that was kind of the point, you would have to bracket and process each shot out of the Sony for similar dynamic range of the iPhone. If you do that, the Sony still crushes the iPhone because of the full frame sensor. But like you just said, convenience for trips, travel, family, etc. is great with the iPhone for those of us who want to take some photos without having to process even more than we already do!
Cannot believe the view count! Exceptional content mate, please carry on. Definitely the most up and coming channel out there! Thanks for the content !
Haha, thanks so much Yiannis! I sincerely appreciate that!
Xperia 1ii Raw vs please!
Yes, check out some of my other videos about the Xperia (especially the COMPLETE REVIEW) Some good examples in there!
@@JamesLavish yep I saw those but I wonder how they would perform raw vs raw in the same conditions and shots :)
super video
Thanks Robert, I really appreciate it!
Bold & Beautiful
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Another note - Is there a big difference between the 11 Pro and 12 Pro that you can see?
Great question. The 12 series has a little bit better performance in the ultra-wide lens, a bigger sensor, and LiDar laser for depth of field mapping and low light focusing. The HDR is improved also, among a few other things. But honestly, the 11 is still a fantastic phone for photography and if you are mainly using the main lens and video with controlled lighting, you would not see a difference, IMO!
That sony full frame camera is so much better than iPhone
The sensor is way bigger and more capable, for sure, but the software is lacking vs iPhone. Makes me excited to see Sony's future, though...especially with their push into the phone market again this year with the Xperia 1ii...
Just put a full frame sensor on an iPhone
All that R&D that goes into this tech, and I'd bet that hardly anybody who buys an iPhone is going to spend any time in lightroom, most of the time they'll be looking at 2x2inch snaps on instagram. You choose iOS because you like the dumbed-down experience.
My Canon DSLR I bought a couple of years ago has an HDR mode, where it stacks 3 images together - albeit nowhere near as fast as the iPhone and in jpeg, but it gets pretty good results when pointing an shooting, so it is kind of out there already.
Apple do have a habit of 'inventing' technology that has been around for years though, their marketing department is very very clever.
I wouldn't disagree with that, but man they make it SO easy for the average user!
both ways. Cameras will have computers inside and AI. Phones will take over the amateur and semi pro market
I think you're right Armin. That seems to be exactly where we are headed...
Thanks!!
Can you give me that one sir 🥺❤️
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Great comparison! I think AI in full frame cameras may upset the purists, just like the switch from film to digital. If AI can push the iPhone to these levels, just imagine what it can do with a full frame!
Exactly, Mike, I wonder if we end up with Full AI Sony, etc line, as well as a "purist" line, making for more of an experience like Fuji does...(which I love, BTW, as well!). And thank you, I appreciate it very much!
Sony -🙂best Mark3
I do love that a7r3...and the a73 is fantastic for the price, even better ISO performance in low light than the r!
I had a brainwave about the problems regular old cameras may face with the impending doom of AI. Just kidding, but Google's HDR+ from 5 years ago opened my eyes to the potential of computational photography. If camera makers do not keep up (and I think they are at least 3 years behind), I do not see a reason to buy expensive cameras and lenses for anybody but the advanced/professional photographers.
Haha, right? Fact is, the phones are devouring the amateur market now. This will not reverse anytime soon...
@@JamesLavish I bought a used Xiaomi MI MIX 2S for $140 and with GCam it never ceases to amaze me what you can achieve with such small sensors. I literally have no need for anything "higher end" than this for regular use. I only miss an ultrawide lens but make do with what I got.
That sounds like a great combo! Yep, I will use my full frame for special shots and commercial work, of course, but the phone is with me everywhere! Once we have social gatherings again, no need to bring the big setup anymore!
Sony eeyas
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A lot of repetition !!!
60hz. 2815mah battery. Such a scam.
Lasts all day for me so far...but yeah the screen refresh is lacking....That said, I don't really care as much about that, personally...
typical droids fanboy
@@mysticzz6685 typical apple brainwashed Starbucks apple hipster.
@@Max_Maximalo looks like someone is mad 🤫